Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Folashade Adeyosoye
hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
intergrated.

1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts




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  Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use PHP.
 
  thanks
 
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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Actually, while I don't know much about PHP, I would say it *better* be
possible :)  Struts is, by and large, the C in MVC (some parts arguably
cross boundaries, but as a generality...), so if I can't swap in a
different M and V, there's probably something wrong.

I think it's probably a given that you aren't going to be able to use the
Struts taglibs on a PHP page, so some of the automatic functions of Struts
won't be available, but at the end of the day I should be able to forward
to a PHP page and have it work, even if I have to do more manual labor to
get values into fields and such.

At least, I would be expecting that to be possible.

-- 
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Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com

On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:05 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
 hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
 struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
 intergrated.

 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts




 On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...

  Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
 PHP.

  thanks

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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Zuckerman?=
 On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...

 Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, 
use PHP.


Folashade Adeyosoye a écrit :
hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
intergrated.
1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
thanks
Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people 
manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?

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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Leon Rosenberg

 Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people 
 manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?


Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script? 

And, after all, why should you want it at all?

Leon.

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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Folashade Adeyosoye
I don't see how you would be able to forward to a PHP page and have all the
fields work, one thing to consider is they do not share the same session.

Struts is a java framework, that has jar files etc, a PHP server would not
know what to do with them.


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Subject: Re: Struts with PHP

Actually, while I don't know much about PHP, I would say it *better* be
possible :)  Struts is, by and large, the C in MVC (some parts arguably
cross boundaries, but as a generality...), so if I can't swap in a
different M and V, there's probably something wrong.

I think it's probably a given that you aren't going to be able to use the
Struts taglibs on a PHP page, so some of the automatic functions of Struts
won't be available, but at the end of the day I should be able to forward
to a PHP page and have it work, even if I have to do more manual labor to
get values into fields and such.

At least, I would be expecting that to be possible.

-- 
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com

On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:05 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
 hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
 struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
 intergrated.

 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts




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  Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
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  thanks

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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Kris Barnhoorn
http://www.phpmvc.net/ is a php port of struts

just info. Not used or tested it.

Kris.

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 Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
PHP.

 thanks

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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Folashade Adeyosoye
Because they are Oranges and Apples...


XML/XSLT are mainly file/processors that produces HTML that are universally
recognized by almost all servers.

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Subject: Re: Struts with PHP

  On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
 
  Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, 
use PHP.
 

Folashade Adeyosoye a écrit :
 hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
 struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
 intergrated.
 
 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
 thanks

Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people 
manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?

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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
request object in a PHP script, no?  As long as you can do that, then you
should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.

Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's
a fair question :)

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Founder and Chief Software Architect
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http://www.omnytex.com

On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:

 Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
 manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?


 Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
 transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?

 And, after all, why should you want it at all?

 Leon.

 P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)



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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Yeah, you raise a fair point, maybe I didn't think it through enough...
I'm not sure how much session really matters, but I think request does...
I mean, I have an HttpServletRequest object that I populate in an Action,
and let's assume I can forward that to a PHP page, it's still a Java
object.

Yeah, I'm starting to scream D'oh! in my head right now...

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On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:27 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
 I don't see how you would be able to forward to a PHP page and have all
 the
 fields work, one thing to consider is they do not share the same session.

 Struts is a java framework, that has jar files etc, a PHP server would not
 know what to do with them.


 -Original Message-
 From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:10 PM
 To: Folashade Adeyosoye
 Cc: Struts Users Mailing List; Rafael Taboada
 Subject: Re: Struts with PHP

 Actually, while I don't know much about PHP, I would say it *better* be
 possible :)  Struts is, by and large, the C in MVC (some parts arguably
 cross boundaries, but as a generality...), so if I can't swap in a
 different M and V, there's probably something wrong.

 I think it's probably a given that you aren't going to be able to use the
 Struts taglibs on a PHP page, so some of the automatic functions of Struts
 won't be available, but at the end of the day I should be able to forward
 to a PHP page and have it work, even if I have to do more manual labor to
 get values into fields and such.

 At least, I would be expecting that to be possible.

 --
 Frank W. Zammetti
 Founder and Chief Software Architect
 Omnytex Technologies
 http://www.omnytex.com

 On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:05 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
 hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
 struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
 intergrated.

 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts




 On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...

  Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
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  thanks

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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther_Wieser?=
you can get parameters and headers (as they are part of http and included in
the http request), but no chance to get attributes, they only exist in the
virtual machine.


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I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
request object in a PHP script, no?  As long as you can do that, then you
should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.

Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's a
fair question :)

--
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com

On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:

 Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people 
 manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?


 Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT 
 transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?

 And, after all, why should you want it at all?

 Leon.

 P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)



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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Folashade Adeyosoye
Am assuming here that there is some sort of Servlets container or
application server that runs Java/Struts and there is another PHP server all
running on the same machine/box. Please explain how both containers would
manage ONE session when a user logs in and pass/manage information between
each other :)




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Subject: Re: Struts with PHP

I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
request object in a PHP script, no?  As long as you can do that, then you
should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.

Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's
a fair question :)

-- 
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com

On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:

 Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
 manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?


 Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
 transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?

 And, after all, why should you want it at all?

 Leon.

 P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)



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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Folashade Adeyosoye
Completely not what is been discussed.

Php.mvc is a framework on its own, doing what struts does, not interaction
between PHP and Struts.



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http://www.phpmvc.net/ is a php port of struts

just info. Not used or tested it.

Kris.

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 Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
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 thanks

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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Joe Germuska
At 6:18 PM +0200 5/2/05, Stéphane Zuckerman wrote:
  On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
 Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use PHP.
Folashade Adeyosoye a écrit :
hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
intergrated.
1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
thanks
Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... 
But after all, people manage to do Struts + 
XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
Is there a Java PHP interpreter yet?  If not, how 
would the PHP environment have access to the 
request, session, and application context?

I know there's a JSR for scripting in Java 
which has a strong PHP focus -- but I don't think 
it's done yet.

Joe
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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote:
Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people 
manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
   

Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script? 
 

I'd stick 'em in the request or make a PHP add-on that could snarf 'em 
somehow.

Or use SiteMesh.
P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
 

I've been working on a Struts/COBOL bridge for some time now due to the 
inherent clarity of COBOL code. It's much easier to write the logic in a 
pure Business Side langage.

Dave I said 'Business Side' for a reason Newton


Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Newton
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Yeah, you raise a fair point, maybe I didn't think it through enough...
I'm not sure how much session really matters, but I think request does...
I mean, I have an HttpServletRequest object that I populate in an Action,
and let's assume I can forward that to a PHP page, it's still a Java
object.
Yeah, I'm starting to scream D'oh! in my head right now...
I don't think it's as bad as all that, unfortunately.
Obviously the parameters/attributes/etc. in the session and request 
could be marshalled into an object/xml/blob that PHP could understand; 
there are some useful utilities in the sandbox made just for that purpose ;)

Session tracking is trivial, just use the session ID from the java side 
and keep a hash on the PHP side that uses the same ID (I do something 
similar with Lisp using Lisplets).

The easiest way, of course, would be to write jPHP and have phpServlet 
and phpTags so you could have both PHP-only presentation but still allow 
mixing of PHP code via phpScriptlets in your existing 
JSP/Velocity/FreeMarker pages.

Dave

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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
 
  Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use PHP.

For reasons discussed by several people in this thread, information
sharing between the Java logic and the PHP logic can be a challenge. 
One technology to keep your eye on, however, is JSR 223:  Scripting
for the Java Platform, where the spec is currently in public review:

  http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detai?id=223

The objectives of this JSR include the ability to connect the object
models of a scripting language (with PHP being an obvious target) and
a Java virtual machine.  Servlet containers make a natural place to
integrate this sort of functinality.

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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Oh great, now all those out-of-work COBOL programmers are going to be
useful again, making it even MORE difficult for us Java guys to find work!

Thanks a lot Dave!  LOL ;)

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On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:48 pm, Dave Newton said:
 Leon Rosenberg wrote:

Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?


Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?


 I'd stick 'em in the request or make a PHP add-on that could snarf 'em
 somehow.

 Or use SiteMesh.

P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)


 I've been working on a Struts/COBOL bridge for some time now due to the
 inherent clarity of COBOL code. It's much easier to write the logic in a
 pure Business Side langage.

 Dave I said 'Business Side' for a reason Newton




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RE: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
You know boys and girls, this just goes to show... DO NOT stick your nose
in a conversation that you don't have enough knowledge to contribute
intelligently to :)

As I said in my first post, I don't have much experience with PHP... I
made some incorrect assumptions about it and how it works, and thus my
reply was, as it turns out, pretty dumb, to be blunt.

I now bow out as graciously as I can after making myself look like a fool :)

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On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:35 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
 Am assuming here that there is some sort of Servlets container or
 application server that runs Java/Struts and there is another PHP server
 all
 running on the same machine/box. Please explain how both containers would
 manage ONE session when a user logs in and pass/manage information between
 each other :)




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 From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:30 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Struts with PHP

 I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
 request object in a PHP script, no?  As long as you can do that, then you
 should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
 course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
 Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.

 Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's
 a fair question :)

 --
 Frank W. Zammetti
 Founder and Chief Software Architect
 Omnytex Technologies
 http://www.omnytex.com

 On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:

 Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
 manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?


 Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
 transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?

 And, after all, why should you want it at all?

 Leon.

 P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)



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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Robin Ericsson
Craig McClanahan wrote:
  http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detai?id=223
The objectives of this JSR include the ability to connect the object
models of a scripting language (with PHP being an obvious target) and
a Java virtual machine.  Servlet containers make a natural place to
integrate this sort of functinality.
It should be with Zend being in the Initial Export Group and MySQL in 
support.


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Re: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Andres Almiray
There is also another project that can help:

http://www.mojavelinux.com/projects/studs/

Be aware that this is a reimplementation of Struts in
PHP. Also it is possible from PHP to invoke Java code,
or even open a socket connection and do some kind of
marshalling; but I think that is much more complicated
than using existing presentation technologies as JSP
or Tapestry.

My two cents.

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AW: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Ok, Dave, I beg my pardon, but I think the initual intent of the thread
originator was far beyond struts/cobol bridges and such.
I don't want to start new senseless threads about using third generation
languages, when there are fifth generation languages available and so on.
So please forgive me, and forget my post :-)

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 Von: Dave Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mai 2005 18:48
 An: Struts Users Mailing List
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 Leon Rosenberg wrote:
 
 Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after 
 all, people 
 manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
 
 
 Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT 
 transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a 
 php script?
   
 
 I'd stick 'em in the request or make a PHP add-on that could 
 snarf 'em somehow.
 
 Or use SiteMesh.
 
 P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
   
 
 I've been working on a Struts/COBOL bridge for some time now 
 due to the inherent clarity of COBOL code. It's much easier 
 to write the logic in a pure Business Side langage.
 
 Dave I said 'Business Side' for a reason Newton
 
 



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AW: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Ok, Dave, I beg my pardon, but I think the initual intent of the thread
originator was far beyond struts/cobol bridges and such.
I don't want to start new senseless threads about using third generation
languages, when there are fifth generation languages available and so on.
So please forgive me, and forget my post :-)

Regards
Leon

 

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 Von: Dave Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mai 2005 18:48
 An: Struts Users Mailing List
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 Leon Rosenberg wrote:
 
 Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after 
 all, people 
 manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
 
 
 Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT 
 transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a 
 php script?
   
 
 I'd stick 'em in the request or make a PHP add-on that could 
 snarf 'em somehow.
 
 Or use SiteMesh.
 
 P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
   
 
 I've been working on a Struts/COBOL bridge for some time now 
 due to the inherent clarity of COBOL code. It's much easier 
 to write the logic in a pure Business Side langage.
 
 Dave I said 'Business Side' for a reason Newton
 
 



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Re: AW: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote:
Ok, Dave, I beg my pardon, but I think the initual intent of the thread
originator was far beyond struts/cobol bridges and such.
I don't want to start new senseless threads about using third generation
languages, when there are fifth generation languages available and so on.
 

I was kidding.
Wait until you see my Struts/APL bridge code.
Although with regards to the generation of languages: I can still do 
things in Lisp that I can't do in any reasonable way using almost any 
non-Lisp language, and Lisp was right up there with the original 
languages. Interesting. But more modern languages are catching up, which 
is fun to watch. I find a lot of similarities to modern language ideas 
in Lisp, SmallTalk, etc.

Here's a joke: A friend recently stole the last 100 pages of a huge, 
proprietary Lisp program, but all he got was the closing parentheses.

Dave

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AW: AW: Struts with PHP

2005-05-02 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Hehe,

personally I still prefer LPC (mud languange - C clone) with closures which
would remind you of Lisp!!!

Regards
Leon

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 Von: Dave Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mai 2005 21:40
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 Leon Rosenberg wrote:
 
 Ok, Dave, I beg my pardon, but I think the initual intent of 
 the thread 
 originator was far beyond struts/cobol bridges and such.
 I don't want to start new senseless threads about using third 
 generation languages, when there are fifth generation 
 languages available and so on.
   
 
 I was kidding.
 
 Wait until you see my Struts/APL bridge code.
 
 Although with regards to the generation of languages: I can 
 still do things in Lisp that I can't do in any reasonable way 
 using almost any non-Lisp language, and Lisp was right up 
 there with the original languages. Interesting. But more 
 modern languages are catching up, which is fun to watch. I 
 find a lot of similarities to modern language ideas in 
 Lisp, SmallTalk, etc.
 
 Here's a joke: A friend recently stole the last 100 pages of 
 a huge, proprietary Lisp program, but all he got was the 
 closing parentheses.
 
 Dave
 
 
 
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