[libreoffice-users] Re: Value and Date function in Macro

[Alex Thurgood]

On 02/08/2013 11:15 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hi Joel,

I have some vague recollection that the Date function in Calc (i.e. the
one used when entering manually) and the Date function in Basic are not
the same...

You could always see whether any of the methods used in this Java
snippet, taken from the API documentation, are of any use :

SpreadsheetDocHelper.java


/** Writes a date with standard date format into a spreadsheet.
@param xSheet  The XSpreadsheet interface of the spreadsheet.
@param aCellName  The address of the cell (or a named range).
@param nDay  The day of the date.
@param nMonth  The month of the date.
@param nYear  The year of the date. */
public void setDate(
com.sun.star.sheet.XSpreadsheet xSheet,
String aCellName,
int nDay, int nMonth, int nYear ) throws RuntimeException,
Exception
{
// Set the date value.
com.sun.star.table.XCell xCell = xSheet.getCellRangeByName(
aCellName ).getCellByPosition( 0, 0 );
String aDateStr = nMonth + "/" + nDay + "/" + nYear;
xCell.setFormula( aDateStr );

My understanding of this snippet is that you have to specifically
convert the separated values of your date string to INT, and then
introduce the separators so that once inserted altogether in a cell,
Calc will interpret it as a date, and format it according to your locale.




Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] editing an Impress file

[Andrew K]

I agree, Kevin, but we're off the point of what I need to do :)

Cheers,
Andrew

On 09/02/2013, at 3:08 AM, Kevin O'Brien  wrote:

> On 2/8/2013 10:58 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>> On 02/07/2013 09:37 AM, Michel Dauchez wrote:
>>> Hi Jay,
>>> 
>>> This is a hint : you have to reduce your text length. Every presentation 
>>> program does the same.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michel
>> 
>> I suspected as much because the slide should be a highlight not the entire 
>> text. When I give presentations/lectures/talks I use the slides to keep me 
>> on track.
>> 
>> Jay
> 
> I recently saw one of the best presentations ever, which did not have a 
> single bullet point, and scarcely any text at all. Each slide was an image 
> that illustrated the thought involved.
> 
> My rule is that if people can understand your content just by reading the 
> slides, you are doing it wrong. And in that case, just give them the slides 
> to review on their own time and cancel the meeting.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] document protection not working

[Eric Beversluis]

Test 1
-opened theDoc.ods with password.
-made changes but didn't save them
-shut down Fedora 15--no prompt to save the unsaved document
-restarted Fedora 15--document opened w/o prompt for password; the
change was there; the 'save with password' was unchecked.
-started 'save as'--was prompted that theDoc.ods existed, did I want to
write over it?
-did regular save--now it opens w/o password.

Test 2
-opened theDoc.ods with password.
-made changes but didn't save them
-shut down Fedora 15--no prompt to save the unsaved document
-restarted Fedora 15--document opened w/o prompt for password; the
change was there; the 'save with password' was unchecked.
-Clicked to close the document--got prompt: document has been modified,
do you want to save the changes?
-Chose 'discard'
-The original document was still password protected.

Test 3
Same procedure.
This time LibreOffice opened but prompted me for the password. My
changes in theDoc.ods were not there.

Test 4
Same procedure. Same result as Test 2.

Test 5
Same procedure. Same result as Test 2.

Test 6
Same procedure.
Clicked to close and chose save when prompted. theDoc.ods is not not
password protected.

For some reason, it seems that LibreOffice is not prompting to save
unsaved document when Fedora 15 shuts down, nor is it doing a recovery.
It sometimes prompts for the password but it seems usually just to open
the unsaved document w/o a password.

(Calc--I don't know if this happens with Writer)  (I have LibreOffice in
my automatic startup list).


On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 19:58 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> The first time this happened (sometime in Dec, as I recall), if I was
> prompted as I was today (that the document had been changed and did I
> want to save it), I would have just saved it--and only noticed later
> that it was no long password-protected. Today, sensitized by the
> previous experience, I looked before saving and saw that the "save with
> password" was no longer checked.
> 
> If LibreOffice is somehow changing that setting accidentally (i.e.,
> there's a bug somewhere), I'm not sure a notification system would solve
> the problem. 
> 
> I'm going to do some experimenting and see if I can pin down exactly
> when it happens--assuming it's not somehow random. (I don't use
> hibernate or suspend, since for some reason Fedora 15 doesn't recover my
> graphic display when I do so, so when it had occurred it has been with a
> shutdown.)
> 
> Thanks.
> On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 16:38 -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > Eric,
> > 
> > I'm curious what behavior you would prefer in a variety of edge cases.
> > 
> >  1. On a document recovery or hibernation recovery of an unsaved document, 
> > would it be all right to request that the password be provided again in 
> > order to reload and resume editing of a document that had previously been 
> > saved with password?
> > 
> >  2. On a "Save" or "Save As" of a saved-with-password document that was 
> > opened and edited, would it be appropriate to request a password again 
> > (with cancellation of the password supported)?  (This would remind someone 
> > that they are saving a document that was originally saved with password. 
> > 
> >  3. If a saved-with-password document that is opened and the setting to 
> > save with password is cleared, would you want a warning that document that 
> > was previously saved-with-password is not now being saved with any password?
> > 
> > I'm sure there are other flavors of behavior.  Do you have any preferences 
> > among those listed, or do you have another case you'd like to see?
> > 
> >  - Dennis
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Eric Beversluis [mailto:ebe...@researchintegration.org] 
> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 14:17
> > To: Tom Davies
> > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] document protection not working
> > 
> > Update: happened again today.
> > 
> > I shut down my Fedora 15 with LibreOffice running and the
> > password-protected document open (which I do often). When I restarted
> > the computer that document opened with a dialogue that it had been
> > changed and did I want to save the changes? I took a look at 'save as'
> > and the 'save with password' box was unchecked. Unfortunately I can't
> > remember what state the document was in before I shut down but I know I
> > wouldn't have unchecked the 'save with password' box.
> > 
> > I put a check into the 'Save with password' and saved-as and now it's
> > working right again. 
> > 
> > [ ... ]
> > 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] document protection not working

[Eric Beversluis]

The first time this happened (sometime in Dec, as I recall), if I was
prompted as I was today (that the document had been changed and did I
want to save it), I would have just saved it--and only noticed later
that it was no long password-protected. Today, sensitized by the
previous experience, I looked before saving and saw that the "save with
password" was no longer checked.

If LibreOffice is somehow changing that setting accidentally (i.e.,
there's a bug somewhere), I'm not sure a notification system would solve
the problem. 

I'm going to do some experimenting and see if I can pin down exactly
when it happens--assuming it's not somehow random. (I don't use
hibernate or suspend, since for some reason Fedora 15 doesn't recover my
graphic display when I do so, so when it had occurred it has been with a
shutdown.)

Thanks.
On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 16:38 -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Eric,
> 
> I'm curious what behavior you would prefer in a variety of edge cases.
> 
>  1. On a document recovery or hibernation recovery of an unsaved document, 
> would it be all right to request that the password be provided again in order 
> to reload and resume editing of a document that had previously been saved 
> with password?
> 
>  2. On a "Save" or "Save As" of a saved-with-password document that was 
> opened and edited, would it be appropriate to request a password again (with 
> cancellation of the password supported)?  (This would remind someone that 
> they are saving a document that was originally saved with password. 
> 
>  3. If a saved-with-password document that is opened and the setting to save 
> with password is cleared, would you want a warning that document that was 
> previously saved-with-password is not now being saved with any password?
> 
> I'm sure there are other flavors of behavior.  Do you have any preferences 
> among those listed, or do you have another case you'd like to see?
> 
>  - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Beversluis [mailto:ebe...@researchintegration.org] 
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 14:17
> To: Tom Davies
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] document protection not working
> 
> Update: happened again today.
> 
> I shut down my Fedora 15 with LibreOffice running and the
> password-protected document open (which I do often). When I restarted
> the computer that document opened with a dialogue that it had been
> changed and did I want to save the changes? I took a look at 'save as'
> and the 'save with password' box was unchecked. Unfortunately I can't
> remember what state the document was in before I shut down but I know I
> wouldn't have unchecked the 'save with password' box.
> 
> I put a check into the 'Save with password' and saved-as and now it's
> working right again. 
> 
> [ ... ]
> 



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Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Macro to write a formula

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Yet again, I seem to have sent my reply directly to the original
poster, sorry again (and again and again…).

Here's my reply that I wrote yesterday (2013-02-07), except that I'll
do some minor corrections before sending it this time:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Johnny Rosenberg 
Date: 2013/2/7
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Macro to write a formula
To: "T. R. Valentine" 


2013/2/7 T. R. Valentine :
> Is it possible?
>
> If so, coiuld I get a simple example, something like =TODAY() to go
> into the (currently) selected cell? I figure I can probably get it
> from there.

If you have a cell object (for instance
oCell=ThisComponent.getSheets().getByIndex(0).getCellByPosition(0,0)
or something like that), there is a method called setFormula().
This should work, I think:
oCell.setFormula("=TODAY()")

Of course there is a getFormula() method to get the current formula:
sMyFormula=oCell.getFormula()


If you didn't install xray, I'll suggest that you do. It's the best
tool that I know of to investigate variables, methods and more of an
object.
Using it, I just found that those methods mentioned are available for
cell selections too:

REM * BASIC *

Option Explicit

Sub Main
Dim oSelection As Object

oSelection=ThisComponent.CurrentSelection
oSelection.setFormula("=TODAY()")
End Sub


You can also create an array of arrays with many formulas and then
copy them to the spreadsheet all at once. This is much faster than
doing them cell by cell. The method for copying an array of arrays to
a cell range is called setFormulaArray().

It's, of course, important to get rows and columns right. Arrays of
arrays can be a bit tricky to work with. Here is a small function that
I use to transpose an array, which I use surprisingly often:
Function TransposeArray(A() As Variant) As Variant
Dim oCalcFunction As Object

oCalcFunction=createUnoService("com.sun.star.sheet.FunctionAccess")
TransposeArray=oCalcFunction.callFunction("TRANSPOSE",Array(A()))
End Function


For instance, when you read a column with the getFormulaArray() method
(or similar, like getDataArray() for reading data from a cell range),
you always end up with an array of arrays that is hard to get data
from:

A=oSelection.getFormula()

As a result:
A(0)(0)=formula of A1
A(1)(0)=formula of A2
A(2)(0)=formula of A3
and so on.
But you can't do things like:
B=A(2)(0)
or
B=A(2,0)

If you transpose the array, however, you will have this:
A(0)(0)=formula of A1
A(0)(1)=formula of A2
A(0)(2)=formula of A3

Then you can just do:
A()=A(0)
and you will end up with this:
A(0)=formula of A1
A(1)=formula of A2
A(2)=formula of A3
which is something you can actually use…

After manipulating the array, you can then copy the result back to the
cell range again:
A()=Array(A())
TransposeArray
(A())
oSelection.setFormulaArray(A())

Well, something like that, anyway. I just typed that right now without
testing it.


Johnny Rosenberg
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] document protection not working

[Eric Beversluis]

Update: happened again today.

I shut down my Fedora 15 with LibreOffice running and the
password-protected document open (which I do often). When I restarted
the computer that document opened with a dialogue that it had been
changed and did I want to save the changes? I took a look at 'save as'
and the 'save with password' box was unchecked. Unfortunately I can't
remember what state the document was in before I shut down but I know I
wouldn't have unchecked the 'save with password' box.

I put a check into the 'Save with password' and saved-as and now it's
working right again. 

LibreOffice 3.5.7.2; Build ID: 350m1 (Build 2).

On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 12:44 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
> Oops. I was setting the protection for "change recording state."
> Password protecting the document is on the "save as" dialogue. Seems to
> be working now. Must have gotten unset somehow, though that presumably
> would have required my using 'save as' to save the document and
> unchecking the password box. 
> 
> Whatever.
> 
> Thanks.
> EB
> 
> On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 17:29 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Ouch!  I wasn't expecting that!  Can you push the unprotect, then save and 
> > close&reopen and then re-protect?  
> > Sorry, that is my best shot and i'm sure you have probably already tried 
> > it.  My guess is that even renaming the User Profile wouldn't fix this one 
> > so i'm all at sea.  
> > 
> > Luckily there are a lot of people here that know far more than me.  
> > Apols and regards from
> > Tom :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > From: Eric Beversluis 
> > >To: Tom Davies  
> > >Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2013, 17:05
> > >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] document protection not working
> > > 
> > >It's an .ods file using it on Fedora with LO 3.5.7.2.
> > >
> > >On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 16:58 +, Tom Davies wrote:
> > >> Hi :)
> > >> What format?  If you are using MS formats then LO ignores the password
> > >> protection but MSO users will be required to enter a password.  I'm
> > >> not sure what happens in MSO if you try to password protect an Odt
> > >> file.
> > >> Regards from
> > >> Tom :)  
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> __
> > >> From: Eric Beversluis 
> > >> To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2013, 16:48
> > >> Subject: [libreoffice-users] document protection not working
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I've got a Calc document that I've had for years with password
> > >> protection on it. Suddenly the protection has stopped
> > >> working--the
> > >> document opens without any prompting for password. I went into
> > >> File/Properties and reset protection. But it's still opening
> > >> without
> > >> password. When I go back to Properties/Security, the
> > >> "unprotect" button
> > >> shows.
> > >>
> > >> What can have happened?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> EB
> > >>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Macro to write a formula

[Rolf Lochbühler]

You're probably looking for something like this:

Public Sub insertFormula
  ThisComponent.CurrentSelection.Formula = "=TODAY()"
End Sub


-rl


Am 2013-02-07 um 21:06 schrieb T. R. Valentine :

> Is it possible?
> 
> If so, coiuld I get a simple example, something like =TODAY() to go
> into the (currently) selected cell? I figure I can probably get it
> from there.
> 
> TIA.
> 
> 
> 
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[libreoffice-users] Value and Date function in Macro

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I have a macro setup that can easily do the following:

pasteValue = mid(currentCellValue,1,4)

a string is stored to pasteValue which I then can manipulate how I want.

What I want to do is make it actually more like this:

pasteValue =
date(value(mid(currentCellValue,1,4),value(mid(currentCellValue,5,2),value(mid(currentCellValue,8,2))


I want to do this because the pasteValue as it stands is a text field, I
need it converted to a date field. I can do this just fine by manaully
entering the above code into a cell directly (ie. not in a macro) but when
I enter it in the macro I get:

Sub-procedure or function procedure not defined.


I know I can work out a micky mouse way by adding another column and
referring to the previous pasted data and then doing a special paste of it,
but this seems unnecessary.


Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
Joel

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[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Me too.  I bet that link is useful to someone in the future too so thanks for 
that :)
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Caesar 
>To: Libre Office List Server  
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 21:41
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot Install LO 3.6.5
> 
>On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:33:32 -0800 (PST), alnuwer 
>wrote Re [libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot Install LO 3.6.5:
>
>>Caesar, Thanks for the suggestion. In the meantime, I downloaded 4.0.0, 
>>and it installed flawlessly. So guess my installer is ok.
>
>Glad to see that you got it solved.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[Caesar]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:33:32 -0800 (PST), alnuwer 
wrote Re [libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot Install LO 3.6.5:

>Caesar, Thanks for the suggestion. In the meantime, I downloaded 4.0.0, 
>and it installed flawlessly. So guess my installer is ok.

Glad to see that you got it solved.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[alnuwer]

Caesar, Thanks for the suggestion. In the meantime, I downloaded 4.0.0, 
and it installed flawlessly. So guess my installer is ok.

On 2/8/2013 12:30 PM, Caesar [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:22:59 -0800 (PST), alnuwer <[hidden email] 
> >
> wrote Re [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5:
>
> >Trying to update to LibreOffice 3.6.5 on my XPpro. After install 
> completes
> >and I try to open it, I get a Fatal Error message that says something 
> about
> >Service Manager is not available - Invalid Registry Exception... and 
> tells
> >me to run the setup again to Repair the installation.I ran the 
> repair, and
> >got the same error. I then removed 3.6.5 and downloaded the .msi package
> >again and installed it again - same error. Then ran the Repair again 
> - same
> >error. Then I came to this site and found a similar issue with an 
> attempt to
> >install a 3.5 version. The suggestion there was to do the same as I 
> did (try
> >a new download, but also suggested to test the .msi with something like
> >7-Zip to insure it isn't corrupted and that signatures are good. I 
> did that
> >too, and everything tested OK.Any help will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Is it possible that your .msi installer is broken?  At one time I was
> not able to install any .msi files and found that my installer was
> broken.  I fixed the problem by updating the installer to v4.5
>
> Windows Installer 4.5 Redistributable
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[alnuwer]

Tom - I took your suggestion an (reluctantly) install 4.0. The 
installation went flawlessly. Really wanted a stable release, but life 
is what it is.
Thanks for taking the time and suggestion.
Al

On 2/8/2013 11:17 AM, Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
> Hi :)
> It's well worth trying the 4.0.0 at this point.  It is waaay before i 
> would normally try a new branch but it is well worth it. Especially if 
> you are having trouble with the older branch.  The whole point of the 
> older branch is that it's supposed to be less hassle.  So, please try 
> the newer one and see if that works better.
>
> Sorry, that's not the answer you want and hopefully someone else can 
> give you a better answer fairly soon but if bandwidth is not a problem 
> and you don't have a cap then 4.0.0 is well worth trying.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: alnuwer <[hidden email] 
> >
> >To: [hidden email] 
> >Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 18:22
> >Subject: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5
> >
> >Trying to update to LibreOffice 3.6.5 on my XPpro. After install 
> completes
> >and I try to open it, I get a Fatal Error message that says something 
> about
> >Service Manager is not available - Invalid Registry Exception... and 
> tells
> >me to run the setup again to Repair the installation.I ran the 
> repair, and
> >got the same error. I then removed 3.6.5 and downloaded the .msi package
> >again and installed it again - same error. Then ran the Repair again 
> - same
> >error. Then I came to this site and found a similar issue with an 
> attempt to
> >install a 3.5 version. The suggestion there was to do the same as I 
> did (try
> >a new download, but also suggested to test the .msi with something like
> >7-Zip to insure it isn't corrupted and that signatures are good. I 
> did that
> >too, and everything tested OK.Any help will be greatly appreciated!
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] fyi: Java dependance, and others

[Girvin R. Herr]

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I was forgetting the Report Builder wizard but i thought it was best to avoid using that anyway?  
  
I avoid Oracle Report Builder too!  For me, it is a basket case and 
needs a lot of work.
Your division of Back-end into 2 parts; data and server made a lot of sense.  Using the word "Client" instead of "Front-end" also makes sense and is probably more familiar to a lot of people now anyway as we hear the terms "email client" rather than "email front-end" and such.  
  
These are the terms that I have always used. However, I have seen the 
*-end terms used also.  But IMHO client - server seems more logical and 
informative of what they do, than front-end - back-end.
Are you offering to review the Base Guide that is in ODFAuthors?  or could you email Dan to see what he suggests?  There might be some good reason why he has gone a more generic route with the guide and perhaps is saving up the divisions for another chapter or a guide aimed at a different level of users.  
  
Well, I could offer suggestions, but I am not the writer, so I could 
only suggest.  As you say, there may be other reasons for the current 
manual references.  However, I have seen postings on this forum from 
confused novice users, who could have benefited by additional background 
information on the database "system".  I realize that with so many 
possible servers out there, writing a manual section on each one and how 
it fits into the Base system could be daunting.  I have run across many 
other documents relating to configuring MySQL and Base, but there are 
all the other servers that could use some documentation regarding how to 
set them up with Base.  That setup documentation is currently lacking in 
my view.  Maybe the recent work of translating the German handbook will 
correct that.  But the users surely need more documentation on 
connecting to servers other than the bundled default HSQLDB internal 
server, which does not have a good reputation with some users.  In that 
light, I would also suggest some words to the effect that "...here is 
the embedded HSQLDB, but if you want a serious database server 
connection, we recommend using x, y or z. Now here is how you connect 
them..."  Documentation on connecting Base to external servers may be at 
least a chapter in itself, with each server as a separate section in 
that chapter so the user could go to that section and perform a 
particular process to connect it.  The users should not be required to 
do all the time-consuming research and study to find how to connect 
his/her preferred server to Base.  I could offer some words on MySQL, 
but I have no experience with the other servers.  I just realized that 
the scope expands to include processes for the different operating 
systems that LO and the different servers can run under!  That would 
make writing it even more daunting.  I can see now why it has not been 
attempted to date.  But I think it should still be done for the user's 
and the future of Base's sake.

Regards from
Tom :)  

  


Regards,
Girvin Herr


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[libreoffice-users] Re: RE-NAMING database (Base) tables is broken in LO v.4?

[frofa]

Thank you for that suggestion, Tom. I have now tried that procedure and,
unfortunately the problem remains.

Running the appropriate SQL command such as ALTER TABLE "old_table_name"
RENAME TO "new_table_name" works, however.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[Caesar]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:22:59 -0800 (PST), alnuwer 
wrote Re [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5:

>Trying to update to LibreOffice 3.6.5 on my XPpro. After install completes
>and I try to open it, I get a Fatal Error message that says something about
>Service Manager is not available - Invalid Registry Exception... and tells
>me to run the setup again to Repair the installation.I ran the repair, and
>got the same error. I then removed 3.6.5 and downloaded the .msi package
>again and installed it again - same error. Then ran the Repair again - same
>error. Then I came to this site and found a similar issue with an attempt to
>install a 3.5 version. The suggestion there was to do the same as I did (try
>a new download, but also suggested to test the .msi with something like
>7-Zip to insure it isn't corrupted and that signatures are good. I did that
>too, and everything tested OK.Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Is it possible that your .msi installer is broken?  At one time I was
not able to install any .msi files and found that my installer was
broken.  I fixed the problem by updating the installer to v4.5

Windows Installer 4.5 Redistributable


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

There are a lot of persona[s] I have tried for Firefox that did not work 
for me.  Same will go for LO 4.0.0.


There is some easy instructions on the FF site to help people create 
your own persona[s].  I may be creating a version myself, specifically 
working for LO 4.0.0.  If I do, I will place it on the FF so if you 
search for LibreOffice, you will find it.


The hardest thing is deciding what you want the top menu bar to look 
like and doing the image editing.  After that it is a very simple 
process.  So simple, that there many thousands of them out there.



On 02/08/2013 10:23 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
The girl/lady reading the script has used LibreOffice a couple of times but 
really had no idea how to do the things she was reading about and still doesn't 
know.  To be fair neither do i but she has a nice voice so i might listen to it 
enough to work out what it's about.  It might even help me with my work as i 
use a CMS (one i find a bit of a pita tbh) quite frequently.

The main point is that if articles are promoting the CMIS thing then it would 
be sensible if they gave a link to further info about it and all i know is that 
video.  So, i am trying to give the link in the comments section in some of the 
articles Italo gave us links to.

It's interesting to hear about a 2minute rule.  I guessed at 3 minutes a couple 
of months ago so it's good to know i wasn't tooo far off.

Hopefully for that video, people watching will mostly be advanced users ready 
to commit to the full 5mins and the nice voice might help keep them focused.
Regards from
Tom :)








From: C. H. D. 
To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List 
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 15:04
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas

Hello!

I have just watched the video provided:

  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM&feature=youtu.be


I think this video is tidy. (I have not used CMIS.) The voice is nice.


I think I have kept my video as short as about two minutes. I think people will 
not have the patience. (Most people I know do not have patience.)

I also feel that "two minutes" is the key. If a video is longer than that, then 
the process must be very long. Very serious users will spend more than two minutes on 
watching such a long video.

If I need to use CMIS tomorrow (being very nervous), I will need to know how to 
do it as soon as possible. I suggest giving the audience the most important 
steps first.


The link mentioned is for more advanced users, I believe.

Regards,
C. H. D.





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寄件人︰ Tom Davies 
收件人︰ C. H. D. 
傳送日期︰ 2013年02月8日 (週五) 1:03 PM
主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas


Hi :)
Nicely done :)  Have you sent it to the documentation mailing list?  They might 
be interested in putting it on their page of video tutorials.

Btw have you seen this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM&feature=youtu.be
that uses an unusual sound-track and a minimalist voice to help keep people's 
attention?

I've seen a lot of YouTube HowTos that have sound-tracks that quickly get very 
out-dated by choosing music that is very fashionable but that lacks class.  I 
don't like the particular piece of music in that link i just gave but i do like 
the way that it's unusual enough that people are unlikely to have heard it 
before and certainly not enough to get tired of it.

Also a lot of times videos have constant chatter going on, often without really 
adding
adding anything useful.  Lots of "umm" and "ahh" and "Here you can see that i am doing" 
or "As you can see".  The constant flow of words makes it difficult to translate and yet keep the timings 
good.

What i really liked about the voice in the link i gave was that the speaking 
parts were short and distinct so that when it was translated from Danish into 
English the chap was able to chop up Pamela's voice and place the comments in 
exactly the right places.  So, Pamela only had to leave decent pauses between 
statements.  She didn't have to get the pauses exactly right because Leif was 
going to chop up the voice-audio and place the parts appropriately to fit the 
video and the music.

I think the only thing missing is an srt file under the video so that people 
could download the srt and the video in order to see the  subtitles.  
Alternatively just some way people could get the script in some other text
format.  Either way something for blind users to be able to get through their 
screen-readers.

Anyway i really just wondered what you thought of the link.  Have you done a 
lot of these sorts of things?  Yours looked like you knew what you were doing.  
If you do write a script i might be able to get Pamela or another lady to read 
it for you as long as the script was quite short and if they could re-arrange 
it a bit to make it flow better when saying the words out loud.

Regards from
Tom :

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in Ubuntu 12.04

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry about that!  It shouldn't have happened that way!  I think there was a 
huge disconnect between 11.04 and anything prior to that but that is not 
usually the way of things and it's unlikely to happen that way again.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Joel Madero 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: webmaster-Kracked_P_P ; 
>"users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 18:37
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in 
>Ubuntu 12.04
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:
>
>Hi :)
>>All bug-fixes and stuff gets backported to 12.04 for the next 4 years.  If 
>>something isn't working well right now then it'll probably get fixed 
>>reasonably soon.  If a more recent version of Ubuntu already has a fix for 
>>something then 12.04 will get it really soon. 
>>Regards from
>>Tom :) 
>>
>
>
>From my understanding this is't true. Only specific bug fixes are backported. 
>I remember with 10.04 I had to ask several times to have a patch that was on 
>11.04 to be backported.
>
>
>
>
>Best,
>Joel 
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>>>To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>>Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 18:26
>>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in 
>>>Ubuntu 12.04
>>
>>>
>>>On 02/07/2013 10:59 AM, Paddy Landau wrote:
 Jay Lozier wrote
> Paddy Landau wrote
>> According to the  New Features page ... Unity Integration is built in.
>>
>> Sadly, this is not working for me.
> Did you install LO manually? ... cd desktop-integration ...
>
> The installation process is now completed, and you should have icons for
> all the LibreOffice applications in your desktop's Applications/Office
> menu.
 Thank you for your reply, but this was not what I was referring to. I was
 referring to the Unity menu-bar integration.

 If you look at the  New Features page
   , about
 halfway down (under the title "GUI"), you will see a screen-shot of the
 Unity Integration.

 Since my last posting, I have been informed that perhaps it may not work in
 Ubuntu versions prior to the current Alpha version (13.04), so perhaps it
 will not work in 12.04?
>>>
>>>There has been a lot of updates lately for 12.04, even some Unity ones.  I 
>>>run MATE instead of Unity.  Maybe 12.10 works better.  I am running it on my 
>>>testing laptop [but with MATE as well], but run 12.04/MATE for my default 
>>>desktop system.
>>>
>>>I do see the Unity Integration "box" you are referring to.  My question seem 
>>>to be what it the current state of the Unity Integration for the 12.04/12.10 
>>>versions.  How much has been changed between 3.6.5 and 4.0.0 that affected 
>>>the integration, other than the addition of "persona" to the UI?
>>>
>>>I wonder why the integration will not work with 12.xx since that it the 
>>>current version of Ubuntu?  It what you was given was true, why would they 
>>>work on doing the work on the OS version that is not even out?  Does not 
>>>make sense. I waited a long time before I went from 10.04 LTS to 12.04LTS, 
>>>just before 12.10 came out.  So if the next LTS is 14.04LTS, then there will 
>>>be a lot of Ubuntu users [Unity or others] that will be still using 12.xx 
>>>for another year or so.  Now work for 12.xx, does not make sense.  It needs 
>>>to work and not "make" you wait till 13.04 or later.
>>>
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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

The "French" email to me was the second emain [different addresses] that 
had the tag like that looked like they used an iPad to send it.
It decided to forward it to the list so someone who might know what 
should be done with the emails.




On 02/08/2013 10:02 AM, sun shine wrote:

On 08/02/13 14:54, Tom Davies wrote:

HI :)
The French website is here
http://fr.libreoffice.org/
and their wiki is here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fr

but i don't understand enough to find the equivalent of this page
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/

Regards from
Tom :)








From: Dries Feys 
To: Tom Davies 
Cc: webmaster-Kracked_P_P ; LibreO - 
Users Global 

Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:42
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

I'm willing to take contact with him.

Can anyone give me the links to the french lists & unsubscribe info?

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer



On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
I am not sure what the French chap was saying.  Anyone know?  Can 
anyone help?


The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have 
on their machines.  I carefully installed the font called "Ubuntu" 
and it's derivatives (bold, and so on) on all my colleagues 
machine's and my various bosses.  So it's ok for use inside our 
offices and for printing but when i need to send it outside it gets 
tricky.  So i generally stick to the MS fonts that 'everyone' has 
for documents that are going out.



It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them 
and the screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at 
Kracked Press has tried to help me i still find it a bit of a pain 
as i have to walk around and install on each separate machine.  
There must be some faster route but i don't know it yet.



Regards from

Tom :)








From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
To: LibreO - Users Global 
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23
Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel 
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 



un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish 
libre office ok



Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> a 
écrit :



On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
> wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
> wrote:
Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside 
of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look 
into a more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into 
changing the
fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If 
you are

dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans 
serif and serif

styles?

Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most 
Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is 
a font set

that can be installed on them?

Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents 
in the

other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their 
systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.


Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document 
could

be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available 
for both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.


There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be 
installed on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not 
worry about an equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts 
that are already installed by others, so they do not need to 
install a new one.


Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used 
for Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] fyi: Java dependance, and others

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I was forgetting the Report Builder wizard but i thought it was best to avoid 
using that anyway?  

Your division of Back-end into 2 parts; data and server made a lot of sense.  
Using the word "Client" instead of "Front-end" also makes sense and is probably 
more familiar to a lot of people now anyway as we hear the terms "email client" 
rather than "email front-end" and such.  

Are you offering to review the Base Guide that is in ODFAuthors?  or could you 
email Dan to see what he suggests?  There might be some good reason why he has 
gone a more generic route with the guide and perhaps is saving up the divisions 
for another chapter or a guide aimed at a different level of users.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Girvin R. Herr 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: "Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org"  
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 19:09
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] fyi: Java dependance, and others
> 
>The last I heard, admittedly many years ago for Access 1.x, MS Access uses the 
>JET database server, which is bundled with Access much like Base uses HSQLDB 
>by default.  However, you are correct in that MS makes it difficult to connect 
>the Access front-end to an external database server, but that is their 
>business model.
>
>It is a bit for users to grasp.  Especially when the Base documentation talks 
>of everything as a "database" when there are several separate elements 
>involved.  The term database, in my opinion, refers to the disk files 
>containing the data.  Those files are accessed by the database "_Server_", 
>sometimes called the "Back-End".  Base is one of many "_Client_"s, sometimes 
>called the "_Front End_", that communicate with the server to access data and 
>format it in human-readable form.  IMHO, some such explanation should be in 
>the first paragraphs (introduction) of the Base manual, but it is not in the 
>11/30/11 version I read lately.  There is an introduction, but it is not very 
>enlightening for first-time users with little or no database system 
>experience.  Continuing to refer to these element names throughout the manual, 
>where applicable, would do much to educate the users instead of using the 
>generic, all-encompassing term "database".  A block
 diagram may also be of benefit:
>
>   Database File(s) <-> Server [<-> Driver] <-> Client <-> user
>
>Where:
>Database File(s) are the actual data files on the disk.
>Server is one of MySQL, HSQLDB, POSTGRESQL, JASPER, etc.
>"Driver" is an optional interface between the server and client and in the 
>case of MySQL would be "mysql-connector-java" for example.
>"Client" is the front-end, or interface between the user and the server.  In 
>this case, Base.
>
>You may be forgetting that the Base Oracle Report Builder is known to be 
>Java-based, which is a big chunk of Base in my opinion.  Also from the manual, 
>page 5, under "What Is Base?" - "HSQLDB is written in Java."
>
>Girvin Herr
>
>
>
>Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Some interesting articles and comments on 4.0.0.  Not all completely 
>> precisely accurate and quite a lot of the comments are clearly either 
>> deliberate FUD or hopelessly confused people that need help.  There are some 
>> gems in there though and i liked this one in ArsTechnica
>> 
>> "
>> 
>> DannyB | Wise, Aged Ars Veteran
>> 
>> about 10 hours ago  
>> "scuttle22 wrote: So now Libre Office depends on Java AND Python."
>> 
>> >From a Slashdot post that I saw:
>> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si ... d=42822061
>> 
>> To be precise, as computed by sloccount, libreoffice-4.0.0.3.tar.xz contains:
>> 
>> cpp: 3990644 (87.04%)
>> java: 400958 (8.75%)
>> ansic: 91036 (1.99%)
>> perl: 42456 (0.93%)
>> python: 17392 (0.38%)
>> sh: 17256 (0.38%)
>> yacc: 8228 (0.18%)
>> cs: 6648 (0.15%)
>> asm: 3269 (0.07%)
>> objc: 2602 (0.06%)
>> lex: 2030 (0.04%)
>> awk: 907 (0.02%)
>> pascal: 800 (0.02%)
>> csh: 235 (0.01%)
>> lisp: 115 (0.00%)
>> php: 104 (0.00%)
>> sed: 7 (0.00%)
>> 
>> However, as Desler said, the Java bits are actually optional.
>> "
>> 
>> It seems that a common misunderstanding is that people often seem to think 
>> Base is completely dependant on Java and that Base is used by everyone.  
>> Neither is really true.  
>> Base seems best when connecting to an external back-end and it's much easier 
>> to do that with Base than with Access.  Base really pushes people into using 
>> an external source of data.  If you choose a java-based back-end then Base 
>> will effectively be using java.  If you choose a non-java back-end then it 
>> wont [shrugs].  I guess that is really difficult for people to grasp.  
>> I guess the misunderstanding arises because Access uses an internal back-end 
>> for it's data so people try to force Base to use it's own back-end too 
>> instead of doing something sensible.  To be fair i am doing exactly that 
>> too.  Bases internal back-end uses java.  
>> Hmmm, i can see myself running into a problem now that i have uninstalled 
>>

Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[sun shine]

On 08/02/13 19:17, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
It's well worth trying the 4.0.0 at this point.  It is waaay before i would 
normally try a new branch but it is well worth it.  Especially if you are 
having trouble with the older branch.  The whole point of the older branch is 
that it's supposed to be less hassle.  So, please try the newer one and see if 
that works better.

Sorry, that's not the answer you want and hopefully someone else can give you a 
better answer fairly soon but if bandwidth is not a problem and you don't have 
a cap then 4.0.0 is well worth trying.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: alnuwer 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 18:22
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

Trying to update to LibreOffice 3.6.5 on my XPpro. After install completes
and I try to open it, I get a Fatal Error message that says something about
Service Manager is not available - Invalid Registry Exception... and tells
me to run the setup again to Repair the installation.I ran the repair, and
got the same error. I then removed 3.6.5 and downloaded the .msi package
again and installed it again - same error. Then ran the Repair again - same
error. Then I came to this site and found a similar issue with an attempt to
install a 3.5 version. The suggestion there was to do the same as I did (try
a new download, but also suggested to test the .msi with something like
7-Zip to insure it isn't corrupted and that signatures are good. I did that
too, and everything tested OK.Any help will be greatly appreciated!



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I'd agree with this idea. Just upgrade to the latest and (so far!) 
greatest :-)


Just surf onto the LibO site and it should 'automagically' recognise 
your machine architecture and OS. Then download the new binaries, and 
whilst that is happening remove the existing LibO libraries and then 
reinstall the new downloads.


On GNU/ Linux this is so easy one can fall asleep over it; however, it 
may or may not be more be complicated in Windows land, so YMMV. Just 
follow any directions that the documentation for your OS suggestions and 
you cannot go wrong. V. 4.0 is very stable and as always, user-friendly.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It's well worth trying the 4.0.0 at this point.  It is waaay before i would 
normally try a new branch but it is well worth it.  Especially if you are 
having trouble with the older branch.  The whole point of the older branch is 
that it's supposed to be less hassle.  So, please try the newer one and see if 
that works better.  

Sorry, that's not the answer you want and hopefully someone else can give you a 
better answer fairly soon but if bandwidth is not a problem and you don't have 
a cap then 4.0.0 is well worth trying.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: alnuwer 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 18:22
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5
> 
>Trying to update to LibreOffice 3.6.5 on my XPpro. After install completes
>and I try to open it, I get a Fatal Error message that says something about
>Service Manager is not available - Invalid Registry Exception... and tells
>me to run the setup again to Repair the installation.I ran the repair, and
>got the same error. I then removed 3.6.5 and downloaded the .msi package
>again and installed it again - same error. Then ran the Repair again - same
>error. Then I came to this site and found a similar issue with an attempt to
>install a 3.5 version. The suggestion there was to do the same as I did (try
>a new download, but also suggested to test the .msi with something like
>7-Zip to insure it isn't corrupted and that signatures are good. I did that
>too, and everything tested OK.Any help will be greatly appreciated!
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] fyi: Java dependance, and others

[Girvin R. Herr]

The last I heard, admittedly many years ago for Access 1.x, MS Access 
uses the JET database server, which is bundled with Access much like 
Base uses HSQLDB by default.  However, you are correct in that MS makes 
it difficult to connect the Access front-end to an external database 
server, but that is their business model.


It is a bit for users to grasp.  Especially when the Base documentation 
talks of everything as a "database" when there are several separate 
elements involved.  The term database, in my opinion, refers to the disk 
files containing the data.  Those files are accessed by the database 
"_Server_", sometimes called the "Back-End".  Base is one of many 
"_Client_"s, sometimes called the "_Front End_", that communicate with 
the server to access data and format it in human-readable form.  IMHO, 
some such explanation should be in the first paragraphs (introduction) 
of the Base manual, but it is not in the 11/30/11 version I read 
lately.  There is an introduction, but it is not very enlightening for 
first-time users with little or no database system experience.  
Continuing to refer to these element names throughout the manual, where 
applicable, would do much to educate the users instead of using the 
generic, all-encompassing term "database".  A block diagram may also be 
of benefit:


   Database File(s) <-> Server [<-> Driver] <-> Client <-> user

Where:
Database File(s) are the actual data files on the disk.
Server is one of MySQL, HSQLDB, POSTGRESQL, JASPER, etc.
"Driver" is an optional interface between the server and client and in 
the case of MySQL would be "mysql-connector-java" for example.
"Client" is the front-end, or interface between the user and the 
server.  In this case, Base.


You may be forgetting that the Base Oracle Report Builder is known to be 
Java-based, which is a big chunk of Base in my opinion.  Also from the 
manual, page 5, under "What Is Base?" - "HSQLDB is written in Java."


Girvin Herr



Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Some interesting articles and comments on 4.0.0.  Not all completely precisely 
accurate and quite a lot of the comments are clearly either deliberate FUD or 
hopelessly confused people that need help.  There are some gems in there though 
and i liked this one in ArsTechnica

"

DannyB | Wise, Aged Ars Veteran

about 10 hours ago  


"scuttle22 wrote: So now Libre Office depends on Java AND Python."

>From a Slashdot post that I saw:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si ... d=42822061

To be precise, as computed by sloccount, libreoffice-4.0.0.3.tar.xz contains:

cpp: 3990644 (87.04%)
java: 400958 (8.75%)
ansic: 91036 (1.99%)
perl: 42456 (0.93%)
python: 17392 (0.38%)
sh: 17256 (0.38%)
yacc: 8228 (0.18%)
cs: 6648 (0.15%)
asm: 3269 (0.07%)
objc: 2602 (0.06%)
lex: 2030 (0.04%)
awk: 907 (0.02%)
pascal: 800 (0.02%)
csh: 235 (0.01%)
lisp: 115 (0.00%)
php: 104 (0.00%)
sed: 7 (0.00%)

However, as Desler said, the Java bits are actually optional.
"

It seems that a common misunderstanding is that people often seem to think Base is completely dependant on Java and that Base is used by everyone.  Neither is really true.  

Base seems best when connecting to an external back-end and it's much easier to do that with Base than with Access.  Base really pushes people into using an external source of data.  If you choose a java-based back-end then Base will effectively be using java.  If you choose a non-java back-end then it wont [shrugs].  I guess that is really difficult for people to grasp.  

I guess the misunderstanding arises because Access uses an internal back-end for it's data so people try to force Base to use it's own back-end too instead of doing something sensible.  To be fair i am doing exactly that too.  Bases internal back-end uses java.  

Hmmm, i can see myself running into a problem now that i have uninstalled java from all works machines!  Time for me to be a bit more sensible and work at migrating the data tables to a decent external back-end.  (There are a couple of old posts that should be able to help me so no worries there)   


So, the main thing i found interesting was the breakdown of different 
percentages of languages used in LibreOffice.  My guess is that non C++ is 
gradually being replaced by C++ but there's still 12.94% left with most of that 
being java which is mostly in easily avoidable wizards and Extensions.
Regards from
Tom :)  

  


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Fwd: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Aah, now I see, I did the same mistake I always do on this list, I
emailed the OP personally. I do that a lot since this list changed its
behaviour, sorry. I never learn, as it seems…
Just in case anyone is curious, here is what I wrote this morning
(local time), even though it doesn't mean much any more, since a
better answer already arrived on this list:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Johnny Rosenberg 
Date: 2013/2/8
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression
To: Joel Madero 


2013/2/7 Joel Madero :
> Hi All,
>
> I have enabled regular expressions in LibreOffice settings but still am
> unable to get this one to work. Here is my line:
>
> IF(N200="*regression*",1,0)
>
> Not sure what I'm missing. Thanks!



As far as I know, IF doesn't support regular expressions.

In your case, this will probably work:
IF(ISNA(FIND("regression";N200));0;1)

I know, very clumsy and probably slow too.


Johnny Rosenberg
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[libreoffice-users] Cannot Install LO 3.6.5

[alnuwer]

Trying to update to LibreOffice 3.6.5 on my XPpro. After install completes
and I try to open it, I get a Fatal Error message that says something about
Service Manager is not available - Invalid Registry Exception... and tells
me to run the setup again to Repair the installation.I ran the repair, and
got the same error. I then removed 3.6.5 and downloaded the .msi package
again and installed it again - same error. Then ran the Repair again - same
error. Then I came to this site and found a similar issue with an attempt to
install a 3.5 version. The suggestion there was to do the same as I did (try
a new download, but also suggested to test the .msi with something like
7-Zip to insure it isn't corrupted and that signatures are good. I did that
too, and everything tested OK.Any help will be greatly appreciated!



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Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Joel Madero]

> For what it's worth, my "funny" reply was meant quite seriously: I wasn't
> being sarcastic.
>
> Yes: quite clear this time.  Try:
> =NOT(ISERROR(FIND("regression"**;Nn)))
> (Regular expressions not involved.)  This will populate your column with
> TRUE and FALSE; if you prefer, you can change these to 1 and 0 simply by
> formatting the column appropriately as Number.
>
> I trust this helps a little more.


It did indeed. Thanks



Best Regards,
Joel

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[Samuel Mehrbrodt]

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Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Brian Barker]

At 08:45 08/02/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2013/2/8 Brian Barker:

At 14:05 07/02/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
I have enabled regular expressions in 
LibreOffice settings but still am  unable to 
get this one to work. Here is my line:

IF(N200="*regression*",1,0)

Not sure what I'm missing.


What you are missing, I think, is defining 
your problem!  You have fallen into the error 
that is not at all uncommon amongst 
enquirers.  You have shown us a formula which 
you tell us does not work.  You have not told 
us what you were hoping it would do for you, 
leaving us to guess from the formula 
itself.  But the one thing we can be 
absolutely sure of - we have your assurance 
for this - is that this formula does not 
define what you are trying to do, since it does not succeed.


In any case, I don't know what regular 
expression you think you have supplied here: 
the asterisk is used to match zero or more of 
the character preceding it.  There is no 
character before your first asterisk; as 
regards the second, are you expecting a match 
for *regressio, along with *regression, *regressionn, *regressionnn, and so on?


The IF() function is a bit of a red 
herring.  The essence of your formula is the 
logical expression N200="*regression*".  This 
has a logical result (which, incidentally, is 
identical to the result of your IF).  But 
there is no facility to invoke regular 
expressions in the logical "=" operator: it 
will give the answer TRUE (or 1) if and only 
if the two operands are equal.  So you should 
get TRUE or 1 if N200 is exactly "*regression*" and FALSE or 0 otherwise.


There are a number of functions which allow 
regular expressions (see the help text), but "=" is not one of them.


Very funny indeed.
The rest of us, who hopefully are thinking 
creatures, realise that he accidently gave an 
example of ”wild cards” while talking about 
regular expressions. Since he was talking about 
regular expressions all the time, I think most 
people would assume that that is what he meant, 
and that the example probably was a typo or 
that he don't know the difference. Yet…


Anyway, … never mind, I don't have time for this.


I actually went to bed thinking "crap, that 
email wasn't very clear " lol. My apologies indeed, I should know better!


So I have a column N that has keywords, some of 
them are blank, some of them have items such as 
"regression" or "regression, bibisect" or "bibisect, regression" etc...


What I want to do is have a column O that has a 
1 if ANY TEXT in column N is equal to 
"regression" so all three of the above strings would show a 1.


Clear?


For what it's worth, my "funny" reply was meant 
quite seriously: I wasn't being sarcastic.


Yes: quite clear this time.  Try:
=NOT(ISERROR(FIND("regression";Nn)))
(Regular expressions not involved.)  This will 
populate your column with TRUE and FALSE; if you 
prefer, you can change these to 1 and 0 simply by 
formatting the column appropriately as Number.


I trust this helps a little more.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Weird.  Doesn't the text change to white where the background is black or dark? 
 My menus are all white and i'm not keen to test this idea.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Scott Castaline 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 4:15
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas
> 
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>I see I'm not the only one playing around with that in 4.0. I thought
>it was pretty neat, I now have StarTrekXI personas on FF, T'Bird and LO.
>The only drawback is the menu bar text is black so if the persona has
>black in that area the text disappears.
>
>On 02/07/2013 08:34 PM, C. H. D. wrote:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> I have just created the how-to video of using Firefox Personas:
>> 
>> http://youtu.be/97EvPYgY3Js
>> 
>> I hope this video will help people to understand how to create a
>> fancy look in LibreOffice. Feel free to watch.
>> 
>> Regards, C. H. D.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Joel Madero]

I actually went to bed thinking "crap, that email wasn't very clear " lol.
My apologies indeed, I should know better!

So I have a column N that has keywords, some of them are blank, some of
them have items such as "regression" or "regression, bibisect" or
"bibisect, regression" etc...

What I want to do is have a column O that has a 1 if ANY TEXT in column N
is equal to "regression" so all three of the above strings would show a 1.


Clear?


Hope so, best regards,
Joel


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

> 2013/2/8 Brian Barker :
> > At 14:05 07/02/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
> >>
> >> I have enabled regular expressions in LibreOffice settings but still am
> >> unable to get this one to work. Here is my line:
> >> IF(N200="*regression*",1,0)
> >>
> >> Not sure what I'm missing.
> >
> >
> > What you are missing, I think, is defining your problem!  You have fallen
> > into the error that is not at all uncommon amongst enquirers.  You have
> > shown us a formula which you tell us does not work.  You have not told us
> > what you were hoping it would do for you, leaving us to guess from the
> > formula itself.  But the one thing we can be absolutely sure of - we have
> > your assurance for this - is that this formula does not define what you
> are
> > trying to do, since it does not succeed.
> >
> > In any case, I don't know what regular expression you think you have
> > supplied here: the asterisk is used to match zero or more of the
> character
> > preceding it.  There is no character before your first asterisk; as
> regards
> > the second, are you expecting a match for *regressio, along with
> > *regression, *regressionn, *regressionnn, and so on?
> >
> > The IF() function is a bit of a red herring.  The essence of your
> formula is
> > the logical expression N200="*regression*".  This has a logical result
> > (which, incidentally, is identical to the result of your IF).  But there
> is
> > no facility to invoke regular expressions in the logical "=" operator: it
> > will give the answer TRUE (or 1) if and only if the two operands are
> equal.
> > So you should get TRUE or 1 if N200 is exactly "*regression*" and FALSE
> or 0
> > otherwise.
> >
> > There are a number of functions which allow regular expressions (see the
> > help text), but "=" is not one of them.
> >
> > I trust this helps.
> >
> > Brian Barker
>
>
> Very funny indeed.
> The rest of us, who hopefully are thinking creatures, realise that he
> accidently gave an example of ”wild cards” while talking about regular
> expressions. Since he was talking about regular expressions all the
> time, I think most people would assume that that is what he meant, and
> that the example probably was a typo or that he don't know the
> difference. Yet…
>
> Anyway, … never mind, I don't have time for this.
>
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] editing an Impress file

[Kevin O'Brien]

On 2/8/2013 10:58 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/07/2013 09:37 AM, Michel Dauchez wrote:

Hi Jay,

This is a hint : you have to reduce your text length. Every 
presentation program does the same.



Michel


I suspected as much because the slide should be a highlight not the 
entire text. When I give presentations/lectures/talks I use the slides 
to keep me on track.


Jay


I recently saw one of the best presentations ever, which did not have a 
single bullet point, and scarcely any text at all. Each slide was an 
image that illustrated the thought involved.


My rule is that if people can understand your content just by reading 
the slides, you are doing it wrong. And in that case, just give them the 
slides to review on their own time and cancel the meeting.


Regards,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2013/2/8 Brian Barker :
> At 14:05 07/02/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
>>
>> I have enabled regular expressions in LibreOffice settings but still am
>> unable to get this one to work. Here is my line:
>> IF(N200="*regression*",1,0)
>>
>> Not sure what I'm missing.
>
>
> What you are missing, I think, is defining your problem!  You have fallen
> into the error that is not at all uncommon amongst enquirers.  You have
> shown us a formula which you tell us does not work.  You have not told us
> what you were hoping it would do for you, leaving us to guess from the
> formula itself.  But the one thing we can be absolutely sure of - we have
> your assurance for this - is that this formula does not define what you are
> trying to do, since it does not succeed.
>
> In any case, I don't know what regular expression you think you have
> supplied here: the asterisk is used to match zero or more of the character
> preceding it.  There is no character before your first asterisk; as regards
> the second, are you expecting a match for *regressio, along with
> *regression, *regressionn, *regressionnn, and so on?
>
> The IF() function is a bit of a red herring.  The essence of your formula is
> the logical expression N200="*regression*".  This has a logical result
> (which, incidentally, is identical to the result of your IF).  But there is
> no facility to invoke regular expressions in the logical "=" operator: it
> will give the answer TRUE (or 1) if and only if the two operands are equal.
> So you should get TRUE or 1 if N200 is exactly "*regression*" and FALSE or 0
> otherwise.
>
> There are a number of functions which allow regular expressions (see the
> help text), but "=" is not one of them.
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Brian Barker


Very funny indeed.
The rest of us, who hopefully are thinking creatures, realise that he
accidently gave an example of ”wild cards” while talking about regular
expressions. Since he was talking about regular expressions all the
time, I think most people would assume that that is what he meant, and
that the example probably was a typo or that he don't know the
difference. Yet…

Anyway, … never mind, I don't have time for this.

>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] editing an Impress file

[Jay Lozier]

On 02/07/2013 09:37 AM, Michel Dauchez wrote:

Hi Jay,

This is a hint : you have to reduce your text length. Every presentation 
program does the same.


Michel


I suspected as much because the slide should be a highlight not the 
entire text. When I give presentations/lectures/talks I use the slides 
to keep me on track.


Jay


-Message d'origine-
De : Jay Lozier [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com]
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2013 15:31
À : users@global.libreoffice.org
Objet : Re: [libreoffice-users] editing an Impress file

On 02/07/2013 01:55 AM, Andrew K wrote:

Hi,

New LO here and it seems I'm not so good with Impress presentations!

I've been given an Impress file to edit and some slides need to have more text 
added. As I do that, it seems that the size of the text gets smaller, but the 
font size doesn't change.

What's going on, please?

More importantly, how do I stop this odd behaviour, and can I do it globally, 
or do I have to do it for each presentation that I edit, or worse, for each 
slide in each presentation?

LibreOffice 3.4.3
Mac OSX 10.6.8

Thanks for any help.

Andrew

I have seen the same behavior in PowerPoint. AFAIK the assumption is
that the text being entered must fit on one slide so the size is
adjusted to fit the text area on the slide.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
The girl/lady reading the script has used LibreOffice a couple of times but 
really had no idea how to do the things she was reading about and still doesn't 
know.  To be fair neither do i but she has a nice voice so i might listen to it 
enough to work out what it's about.  It might even help me with my work as i 
use a CMS (one i find a bit of a pita tbh) quite frequently.  

The main point is that if articles are promoting the CMIS thing then it would 
be sensible if they gave a link to further info about it and all i know is that 
video.  So, i am trying to give the link in the comments section in some of the 
articles Italo gave us links to.  

It's interesting to hear about a 2minute rule.  I guessed at 3 minutes a couple 
of months ago so it's good to know i wasn't tooo far off.  

Hopefully for that video, people watching will mostly be advanced users ready 
to commit to the full 5mins and the nice voice might help keep them focused.    
Regards from
Tom :)  






>
> From: C. H. D. 
>To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List  
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 15:04
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas
> 
>Hello!
>
>I have just watched the video provided:
>
> 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM&feature=youtu.be
>
>I think this video is tidy. (I have not used CMIS.) The voice is nice.
>
>
>I think I have kept my video as short as about two minutes. I think people 
>will not have the patience. (Most people I know do not have patience.)
>
>I also feel that "two minutes" is the key. If a video is longer than that, 
>then the process must be very long. Very serious users will spend more than 
>two minutes on watching such a long video.
>
>If I need to use CMIS tomorrow (being very nervous), I will need to know how 
>to do it as soon as possible. I suggest giving the audience the most important 
>steps first. 
>
>
>The link mentioned is for more advanced users, I believe.
>
>Regards,
>C. H. D.
>
>
>
>
>
>_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>寄件人︰ Tom Davies 
>收件人︰ C. H. D.  
>傳送日期︰ 2013年02月8日 (週五) 1:03 PM
>主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas
>
>
>Hi :)
>Nicely done :)  Have you sent it to the documentation mailing list?  They 
>might be interested in putting it on their page of video tutorials.  
>
>Btw have you seen this one
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM&feature=youtu.be
>that uses an unusual sound-track and a minimalist voice to help keep people's 
>attention?  
>
>I've seen a lot of YouTube HowTos that have sound-tracks that quickly get very 
>out-dated by choosing music that is very fashionable but that lacks class.  I 
>don't like the particular piece of music in that link i just gave but i do 
>like the way that it's unusual enough that people are unlikely to have heard 
>it before and certainly not enough to get tired of it.  
>
>Also a lot of times videos have constant chatter going on, often without 
>really adding
>adding anything useful.  Lots of "umm" and "ahh" and "Here you can see that i 
>am doing" or "As you can see".  The constant flow of words makes it difficult 
>to translate and yet keep the timings good.  
>
>What i really liked about the voice in the link i gave was that the speaking 
>parts were short and distinct so that when it was translated from Danish into 
>English the chap was able to chop up Pamela's voice and place the comments in 
>exactly the right places.  So, Pamela only had to leave decent pauses between 
>statements.  She didn't have to get the pauses exactly right because Leif was 
>going to chop up the voice-audio and place the parts appropriately to fit the 
>video and the music.  
>
>I think the only thing missing is an srt file under the video so that people 
>could download the srt and the video in order to see the  subtitles.  
>Alternatively just some way people could get the script in some other text
>format.  Either way something for blind users to be able to get through their 
>screen-readers.  
>
>Anyway i really just wondered what you thought of the link.  Have you done a 
>lot of these sorts of things?  Yours looked like you knew what you were doing. 
> If you do write a script i might be able to get Pamela or another lady to 
>read it for you as long as the script was quite short and if they could 
>re-arrange it a bit to make it flow better when saying the words out loud.    
>
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: C. H. D. 
>>To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List  
>>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 1:34
>>Subject: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas
>> 
>>Hello!
>>
>>I have just created the how-to video of using Firefox Personas:
>>
>>http://youtu.be/97EvPYgY3Js
>>
>>I hope this video will help people to understand how to create a fancy look 
>>in LibreOffice. Feel free to watch.
>>
>>Regards,
>>C. H. D.
>>

Re: [libreoffice-users] editing an Impress file

[Andrew]

Keynote doesn't. Thankfully!
But in this instance (regularly) I have to use LibreOffice. 

I will get to the earlier suggestion in a few hours from now. Thanks for all 
the information and assistance so far. 

Great list :)

Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/02/2013, at 1:37, Michel Dauchez  wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> 
> This is a hint : you have to reduce your text length. Every presentation 
> program does the same.
> 
> 
> Michel 
> 
> -Message d'origine-
> 
> 
> On 02/07/2013 01:55 AM, Andrew K wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> New LO here and it seems I'm not so good with Impress presentations!
>> 
>> I've been given an Impress file to edit and some slides need to have more 
>> text added. As I do that, it seems that the size of the text gets smaller, 
>> but the font size doesn't change.
>> 
>> What's going on, please?
>> 
>> More importantly, how do I stop this odd behaviour, and can I do it 
>> globally, or do I have to do it for each presentation that I edit, or worse, 
>> for each slide in each presentation?
>> 
>> LibreOffice 3.4.3
>> Mac OSX 10.6.8
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Andrew
> I have seen the same behavior in PowerPoint. AFAIK the assumption is 
> that the text being entered must fit on one slide so the size is 
> adjusted to fit the text area on the slide.
> 
> -- 
> Jay Lozier
> jsloz...@gmail.com

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas

[C. H. D.]

Hello!

I have just watched the video provided:

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM&feature=youtu.be

I think this video is tidy. (I have not used CMIS.) The voice is nice.


I think I have kept my video as short as about two minutes. I think people will 
not have the patience. (Most people I know do not have patience.)

I also feel that "two minutes" is the key. If a video is longer than that, then 
the process must be very long. Very serious users will spend more than two 
minutes on watching such a long video.

If I need to use CMIS tomorrow (being very nervous), I will need to know how to 
do it as soon as possible. I suggest giving the audience the most important 
steps first. 


The link mentioned is for more advanced users, I believe.

Regards,
C. H. D.





_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 












 寄件人︰ Tom Davies 
收件人︰ C. H. D.  
傳送日期︰ 2013年02月8日 (週五) 1:03 PM
主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas
 

Hi :)
Nicely done :)  Have you sent it to the documentation mailing list?  They might 
be interested in putting it on their page of video tutorials.  

Btw have you seen this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM&feature=youtu.be
that uses an unusual sound-track and a minimalist voice to help keep people's 
attention?  

I've seen a lot of YouTube HowTos that have sound-tracks that quickly get very 
out-dated by choosing music that is very fashionable but that lacks class.  I 
don't like the particular piece of music in that link i just gave but i do like 
the way that it's unusual enough that people are unlikely to have heard it 
before and certainly not enough to get tired of it.  

Also a lot of times videos have constant chatter going on, often without really 
adding
 adding anything useful.  Lots of "umm" and "ahh" and "Here you can see that i 
am doing" or "As you can see".  The constant flow of words makes it difficult 
to translate and yet keep the timings good.  

What i really liked about the voice in the link i gave was that the speaking 
parts were short and distinct so that when it was translated from Danish into 
English the chap was able to chop up Pamela's voice and place the comments in 
exactly the right places.  So, Pamela only had to leave decent pauses between 
statements.  She didn't have to get the pauses exactly right because Leif was 
going to chop up the voice-audio and place the parts appropriately to fit the 
video and the music.  

I think the only thing missing is an srt file under the video so that people 
could download the srt and the video in order to see the  subtitles.  
Alternatively just some way people could get the script in some other text
 format.  Either way something for blind users to be able to get through their 
screen-readers.  

Anyway i really just wondered what you thought of the link.  Have you done a 
lot of these sorts of things?  Yours looked like you knew what you were doing.  
If you do write a script i might be able to get Pamela or another lady to read 
it for you as long as the script was quite short and if they could re-arrange 
it a bit to make it flow better when saying the words out loud.    

Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: C. H. D. 
>To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List  
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 1:34
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] How-to video of using Firefox Personas
> 
>Hello!
>
>I have just created the how-to video of using Firefox Personas:
>
>http://youtu.be/97EvPYgY3Js
>
>I hope this video will help people to understand how to create a fancy look in 
>LibreOffice. Feel free to watch.
>
>Regards,
>C. H. D.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[sun shine]

On 08/02/13 14:54, Tom Davies wrote:

HI :)
The French website is here
http://fr.libreoffice.org/
and their wiki is here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fr

but i don't understand enough to find the equivalent of this page
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/

Regards from
Tom :)








From: Dries Feys 
To: Tom Davies 
Cc: webmaster-Kracked_P_P ; LibreO - Users Global 

Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:42
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

I'm willing to take contact with him.

Can anyone give me the links to the french lists & unsubscribe info?

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer



On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
I am not sure what the French chap was saying.  Anyone know?  Can anyone help?

The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have on their machines.  I 
carefully installed the font called "Ubuntu" and it's derivatives (bold, and so 
on) on all my colleagues machine's and my various bosses.  So it's ok for use inside our 
offices and for printing but when i need to send it outside it gets tricky.  So i 
generally stick to the MS fonts that 'everyone' has for documents that are going out.


It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them and the 
screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at Kracked Press has tried to 
help me i still find it a bit of a pain as i have to walk around and install on 
each separate machine.  There must be some faster route but i don't know it yet.


Regards from

Tom :)








From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
To: LibreO - Users Global 
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23
Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel 
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 



un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok


Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> a écrit :


On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing the
fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.


Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif and serif
styles?


Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font set
that can be installed on them?


Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents.


Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.


AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both Linux 
and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.


There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an equivalents.  
The key would be dealing with fonts that are already installed by others, so 
they do not need to install a new one.

Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for Windows, 
Linux, and MacOSX.




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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[sun shine]

On 08/02/13 14:42, Dries Feys wrote:

I'm willing to take contact with him.

Can anyone give me the links to the french lists & unsubscribe info?

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer



On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
I am not sure what the French chap was saying.  Anyone know?  Can anyone help?

The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have on their machines.  I 
carefully installed the font called "Ubuntu" and it's derivatives (bold, and so 
on) on all my colleagues machine's and my various bosses.  So it's ok for use inside our 
offices and for printing but when i need to send it outside it gets tricky.  So i 
generally stick to the MS fonts that 'everyone' has for documents that are going out.


It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them and the 
screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at Kracked Press has tried to 
help me i still find it a bit of a pain as i have to walk around and install on 
each separate machine.  There must be some faster route but i don't know it yet.


Regards from

Tom :)








From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
To: LibreO - Users Global 
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23
Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel 
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 



un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok


Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> a écrit :


On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing the
fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.


Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif and serif
styles?


Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font set
that can be installed on them?


Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents.


Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.


AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both Linux 
and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.


There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an equivalents.  
The key would be dealing with fonts that are already installed by others, so 
they do not need to install a new one.

Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for Windows, 
Linux, and MacOSX.




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Dries

If you can, perhaps this would be the best contact email address to pass 
along to Claude: discuss+subscr...@fr.libreoffice.org


Here's hoping :-)

Thanks


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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[Tom Davies]

HI :)
The French website is here
http://fr.libreoffice.org/
and their wiki is here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/fr

but i don't understand enough to find the equivalent of this page
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/

Regards from 
Tom :)  






>
> From: Dries Feys 
>To: Tom Davies  
>Cc: webmaster-Kracked_P_P ; LibreO - Users Global 
> 
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:42
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
> 
>I'm willing to take contact with him.
>
>Can anyone give me the links to the french lists & unsubscribe info?
>
>Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,
>
>DRIES FEYS
>CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer
>
>
>
>On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies  wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> I am not sure what the French chap was saying.  Anyone know?  Can anyone 
>> help?
>>
>> The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have on their 
>> machines.  I carefully installed the font called "Ubuntu" and it's 
>> derivatives (bold, and so on) on all my colleagues machine's and my various 
>> bosses.  So it's ok for use inside our offices and for printing but when i 
>> need to send it outside it gets tricky.  So i generally stick to the MS 
>> fonts that 'everyone' has for documents that are going out.
>>
>>
>> It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them and the 
>> screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at Kracked Press has tried 
>> to help me i still find it a bit of a pain as i have to walk around and 
>> install on each separate machine.  There must be some faster route but i 
>> don't know it yet.
>>
>>
>> Regards from
>>
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>>>To: LibreO - Users Global 
>>>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23
>>>Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message 
>>>Subject:     Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
>>>Date:     Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
>>>From:     Claude Fiefel 
>>>To:     webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office 
>>>ok
>>>
>>>
>>>Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P >>> a écrit :
>>>
 On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
> On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
>> On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > > wrote:
>>> On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
 On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P >>> > wrote:
> Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
> LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more
> common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing the
> fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
> dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.
>
 Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif and 
 serif
 styles?

>>> Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
>>> MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font set
>>> that can be installed on them?
>>>
>> Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
>> other systems.
>>
>>> The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
>>> installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
>>> with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
>>> documents.
>>>
>> Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
>> be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.
>>
> AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both 
> Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.
>

 There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on 
 Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
 equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
 installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.

 Here is a free site
 http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
 They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

 So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
 Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.

>>>
>>>
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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[Dries Feys]

I'm willing to take contact with him.

Can anyone give me the links to the french lists & unsubscribe info?

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer



On 8 February 2013 15:40, Tom Davies  wrote:
> Hi :)
> I am not sure what the French chap was saying.  Anyone know?  Can anyone help?
>
> The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have on their 
> machines.  I carefully installed the font called "Ubuntu" and it's 
> derivatives (bold, and so on) on all my colleagues machine's and my various 
> bosses.  So it's ok for use inside our offices and for printing but when i 
> need to send it outside it gets tricky.  So i generally stick to the MS fonts 
> that 'everyone' has for documents that are going out.
>
>
> It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them and the 
> screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at Kracked Press has tried 
> to help me i still find it a bit of a pain as i have to walk around and 
> install on each separate machine.  There must be some faster route but i 
> don't know it yet.
>
>
> Regards from
>
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>>To: LibreO - Users Global 
>>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23
>>Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message 
>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
>>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
>>From: Claude Fiefel 
>>To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>>
>>
>>
>>un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok
>>
>>
>>Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P >> a écrit :
>>
>>> On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
 On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
> On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P  > wrote:
>> On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
>>> On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P >> > wrote:
 Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
 LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more
 common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing the
 fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
 dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

>>> Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif and serif
>>> styles?
>>>
>> Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
>> MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font set
>> that can be installed on them?
>>
> Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
> other systems.
>
>> The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
>> installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
>> with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents.
>>
> Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
> be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.
>
 AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both 
 Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.

>>>
>>> There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on 
>>> Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
>>> equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
>>> installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.
>>>
>>> Here is a free site
>>> http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
>>> They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.
>>>
>>> So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
>>> Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I am not sure what the French chap was saying.  Anyone know?  Can anyone help?  

The problem for me is trying to guess which fonts other people have on their 
machines.  I carefully installed the font called "Ubuntu" and it's derivatives 
(bold, and so on) on all my colleagues machine's and my various bosses.  So 
it's ok for use inside our offices and for printing but when i need to send it 
outside it gets tricky.  So i generally stick to the MS fonts that 'everyone' 
has for documents that are going out.  


It would be nice to have a slightly nicer version of some of them and the 
screen-fonts used in Xp and Win7 but although Tim at Kracked Press has tried to 
help me i still find it a bit of a pain as i have to walk around and install on 
each separate machine.  There must be some faster route but i don't know it 
yet.  


Regards from 

Tom :)  






>
> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>To: LibreO - Users Global  
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 14:23
>Subject: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
> 
>
>
>
> Original Message 
>Subject:     Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
>Date:     Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
>From:     Claude Fiefel 
>To:     webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>
>
>
>un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre office ok
>
>
>Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > a écrit :
>
>> On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>>> On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
 On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P >>> > wrote:
> On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
>> On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > > wrote:
>>> Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
>>> LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more
>>> common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing the
>>> fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
>>> dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.
>>> 
>> Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif and serif
>> styles?
>> 
> Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
> MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font set
> that can be installed on them?
> 
 Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
 other systems.
 
> The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
> installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
> with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their documents.
> 
 Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
 be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.
 
>>> AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for both 
>>> Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.
>>> 
>> 
>> There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on 
>> Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
>> equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already installed 
>> by others, so they do not need to install a new one.
>> 
>> Here is a free site
>> http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
>> They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.
>> 
>> So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
>> Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.
>> 
>
>
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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[sun shine]

Or .. he is trying to unsub himself (hence "finish emails" - I think he 
wants to unsubscribe perhaps?


On 08/02/13 14:23, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel 
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 



un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre 
office ok
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> a 
écrit :



On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into 
a more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into 
changing the

fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif 
and serif

styles?

Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most 
Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a 
font set

that can be installed on them?


Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their 
systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.



Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for 
both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.




There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed 
on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.


Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.




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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[sun shine]

This guy is subscribed to the wrong list and then sends personal emails 
requesting that emails are sent in French.


If anyone can write comprehensible French, please direct an email to him 
requesting that he unsub this list and re-sub to a French language list.



On 08/02/13 14:23, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel 
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 



un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre 
office ok
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> a 
écrit :



On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into 
a more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into 
changing the

fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif 
and serif

styles?

Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most 
Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a 
font set

that can be installed on them?


Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their 
systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.



Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for 
both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.




There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed 
on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.


Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.




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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Date:   Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:56:52 +0100
From:   Claude Fiefel 
To: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 



un conseil prenez donc un traducteur en français for me finish libre 
office ok
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:53, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>> a écrit :



On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P > wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a 
more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into 
changing the

fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif and 
serif

styles?


Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a 
font set

that can be installed on them?


Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.



Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for 
both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.




There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed 
on Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.


Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.




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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking

[sun shine]

On 08/02/13 14:16, Dan Lewis wrote:
This is obviously a bug in the Linux Mint version. I know that earlier 
I had the Ubuntu version of LO 3.5.4. When I typed every word was 
marked as an incorrect spelling. I have no such problems with the 
version supplied by LibreOffice, itself.


--Dan

On 02/08/2013 08:52 AM, sun shine wrote:

Who is this idiot?


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I 
type enabled but no spell checking

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:44:41 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel 
To: sun shine 



JE NE COMPRENDS PAS L'ANGLAIS FINISH MAILS OK
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:41, sun shine > a écrit :


I seem to have fixed this now by downloading v. 4 from the website 
and replacing the Linux Mint native version. The spell check is 
fixed. So case closed.


On 08/02/13 13:23, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

Using LibO  3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint:

I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ 
Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the 
spell checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines).


How do I fix this please?

Thanks



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Hi Dan

Yeah - since Mint stems from Ubuntu, it looks as if a similar bug has 
carried over. Anyway, as stated - this is now solved with the fresh 
download of version 4.0.0.3 which so far seems to be very stable and 
responsive.


Cheers


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Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking

[Dan Lewis]

 This is obviously a bug in the Linux Mint version. I know that 
earlier I had the Ubuntu version of LO 3.5.4. When I typed every word 
was marked as an incorrect spelling. I have no such problems with the 
version supplied by LibreOffice, itself.


--Dan

On 02/08/2013 08:52 AM, sun shine wrote:

Who is this idiot?


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I 
type enabled but no spell checking

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:44:41 +0100
From: Claude Fiefel 
To: sun shine 



JE NE COMPRENDS PAS L'ANGLAIS FINISH MAILS OK
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:41, sun shine > a écrit :


I seem to have fixed this now by downloading v. 4 from the website 
and replacing the Linux Mint native version. The spell check is 
fixed. So case closed.


On 08/02/13 13:23, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

Using LibO  3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint:

I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ 
Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the 
spell checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines).


How do I fix this please?

Thanks



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Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

On 02/08/2013 01:26 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/08/2013 01:06 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 07/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P  wrote:

On 02/07/2013 01:37 AM, e-letter wrote:
On 05/02/2013, webmaster-Kracked_P_P  
wrote:

Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the
LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a 
more
common font used by publishing houses.  I would look into changing 
the

fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are
dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use.

Is there a "cross-platform" font available, in both sans serif and 
serif

styles?


Are you asking if there is one font that is installed on most Windows,
MacOSX, and Linux OS installs?  Or are you asking if there is a font 
set

that can be installed on them?


Ideally yes, otherwise a font in gnu/linux that has equivalents in the
other systems.


The problem really is not with your systems, but what others have
installedon there.  If you want your document to work on their systems,
with the same font and such, you must embed the fonts in their 
documents.



Understood for pdf, but for odf it would be nice if a document could
be distributed for editing and the font remained unchanged.

AFAIK Arial, Calibri, Times New Roman, and Courier are available for 
both Linux and Windows. I do not know the equivalents for Mac.




There are thousands of fonts that can be found that can be installed on 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX, the exact font and not worry about an 
equivalents.  The key would be dealing with fonts that are already 
installed by others, so they do not need to install a new one.


Here is a free site
http://www.1001freefonts.com/ 
They show Windows and Mac downloads, but both are TTF font formats.

So if MacOSX used TTF fonts, then the same font file can be used for 
Windows, Linux, and MacOSX.




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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking

[sun shine]

Who is this idiot?


 Original Message 
Subject: 	Re: [libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type 
enabled but no spell checking

Date:   Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:44:41 +0100
From:   Claude Fiefel 
To: sun shine 



JE NE COMPRENDS PAS L'ANGLAIS FINISH MAILS OK
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:41, sun shine > a écrit :


I seem to have fixed this now by downloading v. 4 from the website and 
replacing the Linux Mint native version. The spell check is fixed. So 
case closed.


On 08/02/13 13:23, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

Using LibO  3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint:

I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ 
Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the spell 
checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines).


How do I fix this please?

Thanks



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[libreoffice-users] [solved] Re: Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking

[sun shine]

I seem to have fixed this now by downloading v. 4 from the website and 
replacing the Linux Mint native version. The spell check is fixed. So 
case closed.


On 08/02/13 13:23, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

Using LibO  3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint:

I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ 
Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the spell 
checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines).


How do I fix this please?

Thanks



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[libreoffice-users] Spell check as I type enabled but no spell checking

[sun shine]

Hello list

Using LibO  3.6.2.2 on Linux Mint:

I have enabled the check spelling as you type option under Tools/ 
Options/ Writing Aids but I can type complete gibberish and the spell 
checker doesn't recognise this (i.e. no red underlines).


How do I fix this please?

Thanks

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[libreoffice-users] A (sane) way of doing bullets and numbering

[sun shine]

Hi list

One of the biggest (personal) bugbears I have with LibO (and OOo before 
this) is the issue of numbering and bulleting. It just seems 
counter-intuitive to me and is one of the very few areas where I think 
that MS has a better approach.


I have a numbered list in a table and now I want sub-numbers, such as:

1. text text text text text
1.1. text text text text
1.2. text text text text
2. text text text text text

However two things happen:
(1) I have to manually play around with the sub-number positions so that 
there isn't (a) a large tab space between the number and the start of 
the text and (b) the sub-number is aligned reasonably close to the main 
number; and
(2) the text of the sub-number (e.g. 1.1.) does not align itself to 
where the text for that sub-number starts. Instead, it goes all the way 
to align with the main number (e.g. 1.).


This is difficult to reproduce using the email but basically it looks 
really sloppy, and I don't know how to set it up so that the numbers and 
sub-numbers and the associated text align in blocks.


I think that there is something I might be able to do with a style page 
- but that seems like a lot of work just to get some numbers aligned.


Any ideas/ suggestions?

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Brian Barker]

At 14:05 07/02/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
I have enabled regular expressions in LibreOffice settings but still 
am unable to get this one to work. Here is my line:

IF(N200="*regression*",1,0)

Not sure what I'm missing.


What you are missing, I think, is defining your problem!  You have 
fallen into the error that is not at all uncommon amongst 
enquirers.  You have shown us a formula which you tell us does not 
work.  You have not told us what you were hoping it would do for you, 
leaving us to guess from the formula itself.  But the one thing we 
can be absolutely sure of - we have your assurance for this - is that 
this formula does not define what you are trying to do, since it does 
not succeed.


In any case, I don't know what regular expression you think you have 
supplied here: the asterisk is used to match zero or more of the 
character preceding it.  There is no character before your first 
asterisk; as regards the second, are you expecting a match for 
*regressio, along with *regression, *regressionn, *regressionnn, and so on?


The IF() function is a bit of a red herring.  The essence of your 
formula is the logical expression N200="*regression*".  This has a 
logical result (which, incidentally, is identical to the result of 
your IF).  But there is no facility to invoke regular expressions in 
the logical "=" operator: it will give the answer TRUE (or 1) if and 
only if the two operands are equal.  So you should get TRUE or 1 if 
N200 is exactly "*regression*" and FALSE or 0 otherwise.


There are a number of functions which allow regular expressions (see 
the help text), but "=" is not one of them.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in Ubuntu 12.04

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
It's not a huge issue.  If i can't get it to work in the next couple of days 
then i can go back to 3.5.4 or even settle on 3.6.? as an upgrade that didn't 
go quite as far as i'd hoped.  

Bear in mind that 4.0.0 still has a .0 at the end and i wouldn't normally 
upgrade to a new branch until that reached x.x.4
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Paddy Landau 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 9:21
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in Ubuntu 
>12.04
> 
>krackedpress wrote
>> Why not make sure that the version of LO work for the current
>> Long-Term-Support version of Ubuntu Unity?
>> …
>> Is there any way to make sure that LO works with 12.04LTS, 12.10, 13.04,
>> and then 13.10?
>
>It probably would take plenty of work. As I mentioned, there have been large
>changes between 12.04 and 12.10 (mainly to deal with hardware
>compatibility), and further changes to 13.04.
>
>
>krackedpress wrote
>> … many people love Unity and those people are most likely LO users and
>> really would be upset if the specific Unity menu system will not work with
>> LO.
>
>No, this is a minor issue in the scheme of things. People won't be upset. It
>doesn't stop LO working; it merely means that LO's menu is not in the usual
>place, but at least it is clearly visible. It really is minor. When I made
>my original post, I was hoping that there was a simple solution.
>
>It's fine; it's part of the evolution of Ubuntu. It will work with the next
>LTS, 14.04.
>
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: RE-NAMING database (Base) tables is broken in LO v.4?

[Tom]

Hi :)
have you tried renaming your User Profile to "get back to factory defaults"
as that often cures weird things that shouldn't happen
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile

The advantage with renaming it is that if it has no effect or makes things
worse you can copy the older version back over the top of the newer one to
regain all your settings and stuff.
regards from
Tom :)  



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[libreoffice-users] Re: RE-NAMING database (Base) tables is broken in LO v.4?

[frofa]

Also the RENAME option under the mail EDIT menu is dimmed. I have restarted
the OS and cleared caches with no result.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in Ubuntu 12.04

[Paddy Landau]

krackedpress wrote
> Why not make sure that the version of LO work for the current
> Long-Term-Support version of Ubuntu Unity?
> …
> Is there any way to make sure that LO works with 12.04LTS, 12.10, 13.04,
> and then 13.10?

It probably would take plenty of work. As I mentioned, there have been large
changes between 12.04 and 12.10 (mainly to deal with hardware
compatibility), and further changes to 13.04.


krackedpress wrote
> … many people love Unity and those people are most likely LO users and
> really would be upset if the specific Unity menu system will not work with
> LO.

No, this is a minor issue in the scheme of things. People won't be upset. It
doesn't stop LO working; it merely means that LO's menu is not in the usual
place, but at least it is clearly visible. It really is minor. When I made
my original post, I was hoping that there was a simple solution.

It's fine; it's part of the evolution of Ubuntu. It will work with the next
LTS, 14.04.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: RE-NAMING database (Base) tables is broken in LO v.4?

[Alex Thurgood]

Le 08/02/2013 08:00, frofa a écrit :

Hi,

> I have just installed the newly-released LO Version 4.0.0.3 (Build ID:
> 53fd80e80f44edd735c18dbc5b6cde811e0a15c) and testing with some of my 'split'
> databases (using HSQLDB v.2.2.8 in 'file mode'). I notice when I right-click
> on a TABLE NAME (in the table listing) there now seems to be NO option to
> re-name the table as in earlier versions of LO (I think this used to be the
> second item in the drop-down menu). Queries, Forms and Reports can still be
> re-named in this way, it seems. Can anyone else confirm this? I'm on Mac OS
> X 10.6.

On Linux 32bit with my build from master of last night the entry is
still there (3rd in the list, because "copy" comes first) for tables
using the built-in hsqldb 1.8. So this doesn't reproduce your scenario,
but at least the internal version still has it.

Will look later on Mac with my latest master build.


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Lots of questions! Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Press Clippings

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Thanks Italo!  A good list and some interesting reads.  


There seems to be a lot of FUD or misunderstandings in quite a lot of the 
comments under those articles, sometimes minor misunderstandings in the 
articles but the most important ones seem to be in the comments.  

It might be good to answer some
 of people's problems in those threads and to give links to the various 
places to get help from.  Seems to be a lot of people out there that 
have simple problems that would be easy to fix if they had noticed the 
rather large heading "Get Help" which is beside the "Download" heading on the 
website!!  Even just solving a random selection of just a couple of them would 
be great.  

When
 i say simple i mean it's often the type of thing the Users List deals 
with quickly.  I don't often know the answers myself!  I lost a couple of 
logins too so it's difficult for me to post.  

Also articles seldom give links into the official LibreOffice website, nor to 
documentation, nor to 3rd party docs and HowTos such as this classy one by Leif 
about CMIS (tpyoed as CIMS in one article) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM&feature=youtu.be


Good work all though!  People generally seem to really like the 4.0.0 or are 
keen to try it soon.  Also quite a lot of congrats and thanks to people 
involved and the helpfulness of the various people in the various help systems. 
 

Congrats and happy hunting from   

Tom :)  





>
> From: Jonathan Aquilina 
>To: Italo Vignoli  
>Cc: libo-marketing-p...@lists.documentfoundation.org; 
>market...@global.libreoffice.org; proje...@global.libreoffice.org; 
>users@global.libreoffice.org; documentat...@global.libreoffice.org; 
>l...@global.libreoffice.org; website ; 
>des...@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013, 5:59
>Subject: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Press Clippings
> 
>WoW thats amazing :D so much publicity :D thats just amazing want to tell
>everyone keep up the good work and hopefully i can contribute more come
>summer
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>
>> Apologies for spamming all mailing lists, but I wanted to share the
>> success with everyone.
>>
>> I have collected clippings in English, but it looks there are as many in
>> other languages. Although done in a hurry, for the usual reasons, I
>> think that this announcement has been another big step for LibreOffice.
>>
>> ArsTechnica
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/libreoffice-goes-for-cleaner-and-leaner-code-base-with-major-update/
>>
>> Best Ubuntu
>> https://www.bestubuntu.com/libreoffice-4-0-available-for-download.html
>>
>> BetaNews
>>
>> http://betanews.com/2013/02/07/libreoffice-4-0-arrives-get-it-now/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed+-+bn+-+Betanews+Full+Content+Feed+-+BN
>>
>> C|Net
>>
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57568190-93/free-libreoffice-office-suite-beefs-up-with-version-4.0/
>>
>> CMS Wire
>>
>> http://www.cmswire.com/cms/document-management/libre-office-40-adds-new-features-cms-support-and-greater-compatibility-019524.php
>>
>> Cool As A Geek
>>
>> http://coolasgeek.com/computers/programs/productivity/libreoffice/2013/02/libreoffice-4-0-has-been-released/
>>
>> Exciting IP
>>
>> http://www.excitingip.com/3494/libre-office-4-0-the-latest-version-of-the-free-office-productivity-suite-released/
>>
>> G Hacks
>> http://www.ghacks.net/2013/02/07/libreoffice-4-0-changes/
>>
>> GameSpasm
>>
>> http://www.gamespasm.com/2013/02/07/libreoffice-4-0-wants-to-free-you-from-microsofts-clutches/
>>
>> H Online
>>
>> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LibreOffice-4-0-arrives-with-improved-interoperability-and-Personas-1800137.html
>>
>> H Online
>>
>> http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Highlights-of-LibreOffice-4-0-1799408.html
>>
>> Hexus
>> http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/51501-libreoffice-40-now-available/
>>
>> LifeHacker
>>
>> http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/02/libreoffice-4-0-adds-better-collaboration-and-text-comments/
>>
>> LifeHacker
>>
>> http://lifehacker.com/5982475/libreoffice-40-adds-better-collaboration-and-text-comments-plus-a-ton-of-other-new-features
>>
>> Liliputing
>>
>> http://liliputing.com/2013/02/libreoffice-hits-version-4-0-adds-an-android-app-for-remote-controlling-presentations.html
>>
>> Linux Today
>>
>> http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/libreoffice-4.0-release-to-widen-divide-with-openoffice-130205143018.html
>>
>> Linux Updates
>> http://linux-updates.org/?tag=libre-office-4-0
>>
>> Linux User
>> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/news/libreoffice-4-0-0-released
>>
>> My Sense Technology
>>
>> http://www.mysensetechnology.com/2013/02/libreoffice-400-is-here-download-and.html#.URQnmlpdduc
>>
>> OMG Ubuntu
>>
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/libreoffice-hits-4-0-adds-unity-integration-persona-theming
>>
>> OS News
>> http://www.osnews.com/story/26768/LibreOffice_4_0_released
>>
>> Parity News
>>
>> http://paritynews.c