Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work. F. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The tailor makes the man. -- Erasmus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
Hi :) Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper? Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear! Should be fun though :) Good luck and happy hunting! Regards from Tom :) From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 9:17 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux? On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work. F. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The tailor makes the man. -- Erasmus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
2013/6/9 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper? Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear! Should be fun though :) Good luck and happy hunting! Regards from Tom :) On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com When I grow up, I may try Arch ;-) Henri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux
On 06/08/2013 02:04 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/07/2013 03:48 PM, Luuk wrote: On 07-06-2013 21:30, Stefan Gruber wrote: Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33: Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with GnuLinux? Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series... fifteen years ago, Kyocera was crap. I sure hope they improved their stuff since that time. I think I have seen this brand here in the Northeast USA. it is one of the main printers I use at work. it's in the basement and I'm networked to it but mostly I use it directly to copy stuff or scan stuff in pdf onto a flashdrive; one can also send scanned stuff to a 'mailbox' which can be accessed via a browser; you can set this 'public' or 'private'. the few occasions I 'send' jobs to it it's via CUPS. I do this so infrequently I'm not even sure it works but I imagine it does. it works fine with another networked printer I use daily at work (an HP laser device, b/w, two trays, duplex). F. HP is one of the major brands for the big office printer, copier, fax, collating, stapling and multi-tray office machine. There are others, but so far it seems that the driver for Ubuntu with HP CUPS has the most printer tray and paper/envelope sizes/styles of all of the other brands of printers I have tried on my system. I really think the key will be which brand and model of big office printer has the best driver, with the most options, for Linux. That is in the subject line after all. I have had [and have] some nice printers that currently have no proper Linux driver[s]. My HP 7000 wide format will print letter size [8.5 by 11 inches] but will not print the 11 by 17 inch paper, for which I bought it. I have to use my Win7 boot of my dual booting laptop to use that printer. Printer in the basement of the office building - well that is inconvenient to print and the go there to pick your prints up. All of the printers I use are left of my desktop [I am left handed] and less than 4 feet away. If I cannot reach them, I just roll the chair over to the printer. I have the HP laser printer and the Canon inkjet on the desk high shelf and the wide format printer on a shelf 2 feet over top of the laser printer. My laser printer is an HP laserjet 2300 dn - duplex and network. It has the bottom tray and the fold-out multipurpose tray. I use the bottom tray for the standard copy paper quality paper. I use the fold-out tray for the feeding of 1 to 10 sheets of colored paper, cover stock paper, envelopes, and other types of printing. When I look at the printer's available drivers [i.e. make and model driver list] I get 15 different ones to choose from. I use the one that is named HP Laserjet 2300 pcl3, hpcups 3.13.4. That one has the most options of all the ones I have tried, so far. NOTE: I finally got the HP Officejet 7000 wide format printer to work. I had to reserve its network IP address in the router table and define it. Then I had to install all of the packages for hplip that was in the Synaptic Package Manager that seemed was not installed, or reinstall the repository versions, if it looked like a non-repository version was installed. Something was missing, somewhere, but is finally prints the 11 by 17 inch paper, instead of just the 8.5 by 11 inch type. It was a pain to boot up a Windows partition on my laptop to print my posters and newsletters via a PDF file on a flash drive. I keep the following paper in the printers: HP Laser 2300dn --- bottom tray - generic/plain white paper --- fold-out tray - sometimes color paper or cover stock paper Canon MG6220 inkjet -- bottom tray - quality bright white inkjet paper -- back tray - photo paper -- printer also prints the labels on the DVD media HP Officejet 7000 - wide format -- bottom tray - 11 by 17 inch paper of either plain paper or cover stock paper -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
2013/6/9 Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 suokunl...@gmail.com: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. Hm… the OP said: ”Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.” So obviously Manjaro/Arch does NOT provide the latest LibreOffice packages, does it? I didn't try any of these distributions myself, so I can't tell, sorry. Johnny Rosenberg You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 06/08/2013 06:54 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There are a lot of very simple drawing programs on GnuLinux; gpaint (a bit like Paint in Windows accessories), gnome-paint, apparently mtpaint is as bit less simple and good for photos but still very basic. Draw is excellent, especially for what you were using it for. The arrows problem could have been solved in gimp by creating a 2nd layer and then put the arrow in there. Then keep an original in xcf format and save as png, or gif (or even jpg if you must) for sharing. However, Draw was probably the best choice to keep it simple! Regards from Tom :) snip For arrows, I use a set of arrow fonts i.e. most of the font glyphs are arrows in different styles and pointing directions. You cannot have arrows with long tails but this is a good solution for many of my arrow needs. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux
Le 07/06/2013 12:33, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with GnuLinux? My 2cents : Canon : OK for workgroup printing, even fairly complicated option stuff *_IF_* you manage to get hold of a PPD file that you can then fiddle with to add the missing options that you don't get with their standard driver... Absolute crap for everything else, scanning, photocopying, faxing directly from the PC client, even under Mac. They write all their driver stuff for Windows first, then as an afterthought for Mac, and by extension Linux/Unix OSes. This may have changed in the last three years, as I haven't tested recently, but we had one hell of a bad time with the rented Canon iR Fax/Photocopier/Scanner/Printer that a rather clueless associate of mine decided to have put into the firm I was working in at the time. The sales support were equally lacking in proficiency - what's Linux ? No one uses OSX anymore, etc, etc. You might want to check today, though, you never know, they might have had an epiphany !! We switched to HP - much better support, and the technicians were mostly OS agnostic (sales support as usual only knew that it ran in a Windows OS environment). However, printing quality and colour rendering was not always up to par with the HP device compared to the Canon. Swings and roundabouts, I guess. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
I wish I asked a tech person, on a domain/hosting phone call, where he got his LO copy for his Arch system. He loved LO on his Arch computer. I really hope you can get the 4.0.3 version installed, or 4.0.4 at the end of the month. It is much better than my Ubuntu's distro - 3.6.x for 12.04 and 4.0.1[?] for 13.04. I run 12.04LTS so I have another year before I upgrade to the 14.04LTS OS. Is there any easy way to include the Arch install package[s] version to the Linux list of DEB and RPM? If Arch offers the most cutting edge release model for their packages and such, it might be good to add their install file type to the Linux download option. On 06/09/2013 09:46 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2013/6/9 Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 suokunl...@gmail.com: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. Hm… the OP said: ”Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.” So obviously Manjaro/Arch does NOT provide the latest LibreOffice packages, does it? I didn't try any of these distributions myself, so I can't tell, sorry. Johnny Rosenberg You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
2013/6/9 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) There are a lot of very simple drawing programs on GnuLinux; gpaint (a bit like Paint in Windows accessories), gnome-paint, apparently mtpaint is as bit less simple and good for photos but still very basic. The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. Johnny Rosenberg Draw is excellent, especially for what you were using it for. The arrows problem could have been solved in gimp by creating a 2nd layer and then put the arrow in there. Then keep an original in xcf format and save as png, or gif (or even jpg if you must) for sharing. However, Draw was probably the best choice to keep it simple! Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Cc: LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013, 19:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/07/2013 03:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: snip I need to relearn the interface for Paint Shop Pro X5, when I used version 5 since the XP days. But since I can not get v5 to install on Win7 Home Premium that my laptop has, I had to upgrade it and relearn the new interface. Same with PSP 5 or X5 vs. GIMP. The time it takes to relearn how to do the things that comes very easily to me with the old interface, well it is very frustrating to say the least and has taken 2 to 5 times longer to do the things I want/need to do. Ahh! The Gimp. Great program and I do have some use for it. However, learning it has a _steep_ learning curve for me and, frankly, sitting at the screen and reading the online manual is not what I would prefer using my limited time for. There are several learning books out there, but which one is the best one I need to learn The Gimp? That is my problem with it. Once or twice I fiddled with it and got it to do somewhat what I wanted, but it wasn't very intuitive and I feel it could do so much more for me. If I could just get a good book on it and sit down and play with it... Girvin Herr snip Yes GIMP has a steep learning curve. As for learning curves, ever try to use Photoshop? No. Now that has a steep learning curve if you have not dealt with such a package before. PSP5 was so easy to use and learn, plus it had everything I wanted or needed for my work. Also GIMP does not have all of the filters that I had with Paint Shop Pro 5 [or the new X5]. If there was an easier and/or better graphics program that I could use with Ubuntu 12.05, then I would give it a try. Sometimes the books I have seen in the stores, or online, seem to be written by and for the graphic artist, and not those of us who need it for the more simple things, like repairing old photos or dealing with simple pixel-based graphics. Right on! That's all I need it for. A while back I tried to add arrow lines to a photo as an experiment to document where components were on a project. I couldn't get The Gimp to do it, though I was sure it could. In The Gimp, I could add the lines, but since it was not a vector (two end points), I could not move those lines if I needed to squeeze in another line beside it, unless I erased each and every pixel. I ended up using LO Draw, which is a vector drawing program, not a bitmap drawing program like The Gimp! It did a fine job and I was even able to add an underlying, slightly wider white line to enhance the readability of the black line over dark photo imagery. How many Gimp books must I buy and dispose of before I get one that is basic enough for me (i.e. Gimp for Dummies?) for all [most] vector-based graphics, I use Inkscape. I have not really sat down and learned Draw for these things, yet. I am so use to Corel Draw 11, Inkscape is similar enough to use, is I am using Ubuntu. I have Corel Draw 11 on a Win7 laptop. I am very familiar with LO Draw. I use it a lot to draw diagrams in technical manuals. Draw does have some quirks, but it is fairly easy to use and productive. I am still learning things about it, such as freezing areas by putting them on a separate layer and making it unchangeable (unselectable?). That is required to allow inner objects to be selected without selecting a larger outer object. I generally use it as an embedded object in a Writer document, which has even more quirks. For some reason, the embedded Draw is a subset of the stand-alone Draw. For instance, zoom is not supported in the embedded version, so it
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux
On 06/09/2013 09:52 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 07/06/2013 12:33, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with GnuLinux? My 2cents : Canon : OK for workgroup printing, even fairly complicated option stuff *_IF_* you manage to get hold of a PPD file that you can then fiddle with to add the missing options that you don't get with their standard driver... Absolute crap for everything else, scanning, photocopying, faxing directly from the PC client, even under Mac. They write all their driver stuff for Windows first, then as an afterthought for Mac, and by extension Linux/Unix OSes. This may have changed in the last three years, as I haven't tested recently, but we had one hell of a bad time with the rented Canon iR Fax/Photocopier/Scanner/Printer that a rather clueless associate of mine decided to have put into the firm I was working in at the time. The sales support were equally lacking in proficiency - what's Linux ? No one uses OSX anymore, etc, etc. You might want to check today, though, you never know, they might have had an epiphany !! We switched to HP - much better support, and the technicians were mostly OS agnostic (sales support as usual only knew that it ran in a Windows OS environment). However, printing quality and colour rendering was not always up to par with the HP device compared to the Canon. Swings and roundabouts, I guess. Alex I found my Linux packages at the UK support site, since the USA site/division does not support Linux. The USA site supports both Windows and Mac OSX. For the quality issues you have . . . For my MG6220 printer [bought for printing labels directly on DVD media], The photo copying and photo printing was better than my Epson inkjet ever was. The printer uses Black, Photo Black, Gray, and the 3 colors for ink cartridges. The scanning of a color document/image was better than the other 2 printer/scanners I have/had. It does not have a FAX option, but I have a stand alone FAX option on a different printer so I did not spend the extra money. Actually the Linux driver was for the generic 6200 series, since the 6220 is a USA printer and the 6230 was the same printer but for the UK power and such. Linux has many of the Canon printers included in its printer database, but the new[er] MG6200 series was not and I had to install 2 .deb files for the printing and 2 for the Canon scanner package. The printer has the USB port, but uses wired and wireless network options. I do not use any USB only printers right now. By-the-way - Linux Mint 13 and 14 will not find that Canon printer on the network, even if I give it the network IP address. It will only work as a USB printer. I was testing out Mint/MATE [MATE being the default desktop] for a possible option over Ubuntu/MATE. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:58:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2013/6/9 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper? Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear! Should be fun though :) Good luck and happy hunting! Regards from Tom :) On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. Don't see where the you get the last line from. The Arch LO version is Version 4.0.3.3 (Build ID: 4.0.3.3 Arch Linux build-3) on x86_64, ia32 and ARM, which is current upstream release (AFAIK). LO on Arch tends to follow upstream pretty quickly, albeit with a slight delay for major X.0.0 releases. Certainly better than having to install a PPA in Ubuntu for a major release of LO between Ubuntu releases. -jh -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/8/13 11:14 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: I like the concept that are core features combined with extensions/plugins to add little used features. Also, extensions/plugins would allow the dev team to focus on the core code and not run done every minor feature that is wanted. And the extenstions/plugins could be developed and maintained by others who are not part of the dev team. There is a downside to the extensions/plugins idea. It's who creates them. I run into this problem all the time with Firefox and Thunderbird. Many of the extensions and plugins are developed by folks outside of Mozilla. You find X number of them that allow you to add specific features that make the program operate the way you like, do what you want, etc. Then, the developers make changes to the core code, breaking X number of your extensions and plugins. One or more of those extensions/plugins were developed by 3rd party individuals who no longer support the extensions, for whatever reason. Now, your workflow/habits start to get screwed. Things you used to do, you can no longer do. Features that used to be easy for you, now become a pain. You have to find another way to get the same job done. Or, you can't do it at all. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Hi :) I thought we were aiming at ones that look as simple as possible and don't have a lot of features. Gimp and inkscape are hugely powerful but because of that they are a bit complicated. MyPaint might be ok, it sounds like it might be simple. Krita sounds like a KDE app but apart from that the name doesn't give much away about it's likely complexity/power. I might have to try Krita but of the rest i would put Gimp in 1st place and then i'm not sure if i would put Inkscape or Draw in at 2nd. The other would be 3rd. I've not heard of Pinta either so i guess i should try it out someday. Gimp does waaay more than i need. I probably use about 1% of it's functionality, maybe not even that much! Regards from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 15:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO 2013/6/9 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) There are a lot of very simple drawing programs on GnuLinux; gpaint (a bit like Paint in Windows accessories), gnome-paint, apparently mtpaint is as bit less simple and good for photos but still very basic. The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatants were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. Johnny Rosenberg Draw is excellent, especially for what you were using it for. The arrows problem could have been solved in gimp by creating a 2nd layer and then put the arrow in there. Then keep an original in xcf format and save as png, or gif (or even jpg if you must) for sharing. However, Draw was probably the best choice to keep it simple! Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Cc: LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013, 19:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/07/2013 03:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: snip I need to relearn the interface for Paint Shop Pro X5, when I used version 5 since the XP days. But since I can not get v5 to install on Win7 Home Premium that my laptop has, I had to upgrade it and relearn the new interface. Same with PSP 5 or X5 vs. GIMP. The time it takes to relearn how to do the things that comes very easily to me with the old interface, well it is very frustrating to say the least and has taken 2 to 5 times longer to do the things I want/need to do. Ahh! The Gimp. Great program and I do have some use for it. However, learning it has a _steep_ learning curve for me and, frankly, sitting at the screen and reading the online manual is not what I would prefer using my limited time for. There are several learning books out there, but which one is the best one I need to learn The Gimp? That is my problem with it. Once or twice I fiddled with it and got it to do somewhat what I wanted, but it wasn't very intuitive and I feel it could do so much more for me. If I could just get a good book on it and sit down and play with it... Girvin Herr snip Yes GIMP has a steep learning curve. As for learning curves, ever try to use Photoshop? No. Now that has a steep learning curve if you have not dealt with such a package before. PSP5 was so easy to use and learn, plus it had everything I wanted or needed for my work. Also GIMP does not have all of the filters that I had with Paint Shop Pro 5 [or the new X5]. If there was an easier and/or better graphics program that I could use with Ubuntu 12.05, then I would give it a try. Sometimes the books I have seen in the stores, or online, seem to be written by and for the graphic artist, and not those of us who need it for the more simple things, like repairing old photos or dealing with simple pixel-based graphics. Right on! That's all I need it for. A while back I tried to add arrow lines to a photo as an experiment to document where components were on a project. I couldn't get The Gimp to do it, though I was sure it could. In The Gimp, I could add the lines, but since it was not a vector (two end points), I could not move those lines if I needed to squeeze in another line beside it, unless I erased each and every pixel. I ended up using LO Draw, which is a vector drawing program, not a bitmap drawing program like The Gimp! It did a fine job and I was even able to add an underlying, slightly wider white line to enhance the readability of the black line over
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
Hi :) According to Distrowatch http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=manjaro Manjaro already has LO 4.0.2 by default! I'd stick with that! I would guess it doesn't use the Debian family (Mint, Ubuntu etc) .deb installers but also doubt it uses Redhat's .rpms either. So, i really don't know which would be best to download! Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 14:59 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux? I wish I asked a tech person, on a domain/hosting phone call, where he got his LO copy for his Arch system. He loved LO on his Arch computer. I really hope you can get the 4.0.3 version installed, or 4.0.4 at the end of the month. It is much better than my Ubuntu's distro - 3.6.x for 12.04 and 4.0.1[?] for 13.04. I run 12.04LTS so I have another year before I upgrade to the 14.04LTS OS. Is there any easy way to include the Arch install package[s] version to the Linux list of DEB and RPM? If Arch offers the most cutting edge release model for their packages and such, it might be good to add their install file type to the Linux download option. On 06/09/2013 09:46 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2013/6/9 Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 suokunl...@gmail.com: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. Hm… the OP said: ”Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.” So obviously Manjaro/Arch does NOT provide the latest LibreOffice packages, does it? I didn't try any of these distributions myself, so I can't tell, sorry. Johnny Rosenberg You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux
On Friday, June 07, 2013 09:30:49 PM Stefan Gruber wrote: Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33: Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with GnuLinux? Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series... Stefan -- system: opensuse 12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Depends on what your looking for. I had a xerox Phaser 6120 (laser printer), they also make MFC printers)for 7 years on my Linux system. never burped, Xeror provided drivers. To Negatives, relealily expense compared to some and toner was expensive. replaced xerox with Brothers MFC-J6710DW about 7 months ago. Not problems so far using Brothers Linux Drivers. Have not tested the FAX part yet, Not sure it will work over my fiber Optic phone network. Russ -- openSUSE 12.3(Linux 3.7.10-1.11-desktop x86_64)|KDE 4.10.4 release 569|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS(NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.17) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: printers compatible with GnuLinux
On 06/09/2013 11:56 AM, Upscope wrote: On Friday, June 07, 2013 09:30:49 PM Stefan Gruber wrote: Tom Davies schrieb am Freitag, 7. Juni 2013 12:33: Does anyone know of companies that do product-lines that are easily compatible with GnuLinux? Look at Kyocera TASKalfa Series... Stefan -- system: opensuse 12.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Depends on what your looking for. I had a xerox Phaser 6120 (laser printer), they also make MFC printers)for 7 years on my Linux system. never burped, Xeror provided drivers. To Negatives, relealily expense compared to some and toner was expensive. replaced xerox with Brothers MFC-J6710DW about 7 months ago. Not problems so far using Brothers Linux Drivers. Have not tested the FAX part yet, Not sure it will work over my fiber Optic phone network. Russ I do my best to find non-OEM ink cartridges and toner. My HP laser cost me $25 - $30 for non-OEM but $105 for HP's toner. My Canon set of 6 ink cost $35 for 2 full sets, but cost $80 for a full set of OEM-ink. My HP OJ 7000 printer - 3 full sets of color cost less than one HP black. 1 full set of color/black cost less than HP's Black let alone a full set of Black and Color OEM ink. When I buy a new [or used] printer, I first look at the cost of the ink or toner, both OEM and the non-OEM market. I really want to know the ink/toner costs before I buy so I can tell how much that printer will cost me. Then I compare printer models and their features with their ink/toner costs. At that point, I have all of the information on cost of printing up front. I cannot tell you how many good looking printers that would cost me $70+ for even non-OEM toner, or $200+ for the OEM toner. I do not have that kind of money to lay out for a toner replacement, no matter how great the printer is. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. The problem is finding an easy one to learn and use that has all the need features you might require. Paint Shop Pro 5 was that for me, but it would not install on Win7 Home Premium, which came with my laptop [but will install on Win7 Professional]. Been using PSP5 for something like 10 years. PSP X5 is not as easy to use, since the company wanted to compete with Photoshop since version 8 or 9, so the learning curve started to increase. We all have our specific needs and ability to deal with the learning curves of the different image/graphics editors. Some are good, some are bad. Some are easy but not many features, but some are feature rich and hard to use. There was a version of GIMP called GIMPshop that was a hack to try and make GIMP easier to use. I think it was a Windows only package though. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper? Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear! Should be fun though :) Good luck and happy hunting! Regards from Tom :) I'm an _occasional_ binge distro-hopper, boot up something from a 'live' drive and have a look, sometimes install for a real look-around. but basically I've been with the same distro for about three or so yrs. when it comes to installing for testing, I have one or two machines to play with for this sort of purpose plus even if I only had one machine, it's easy to switch in a spare hard-drive and play. (laptops are easy to open.) and best of all is to know gparted and grub2. F. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 9:17 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux? On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work. F. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The tailor makes the man. -- Erasmus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The Schizophrenic: An Unauthorized Autobiography -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
This is very true. The only way to ensure compatibility is if you control all the extensions, which would be a nightmare. Sticking with the paradigm of upgrading software breaks a lot of uncontrolled X, Microsoft did this on a larger scale. When they introduced Internet Explorer 10 they broke X number of websites (including our gradebook website). The fix is simple, just click the compatibility icon, but try explaining that to hundreds of parents of students who don't even know the difference between Chrome and Internet Explorer. Anyway, my point is that complaints will pile up. Like it or not, breaking plugins and extensions will make people feel less secure with LibreOffice. People always reach higher up on the chain for something to blame. Sent from my iPad On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: On 6/8/13 11:14 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: I like the concept that are core features combined with extensions/plugins to add little used features. Also, extensions/plugins would allow the dev team to focus on the core code and not run done every minor feature that is wanted. And the extenstions/plugins could be developed and maintained by others who are not part of the dev team. There is a downside to the extensions/plugins idea. It's who creates them. I run into this problem all the time with Firefox and Thunderbird. Many of the extensions and plugins are developed by folks outside of Mozilla. You find X number of them that allow you to add specific features that make the program operate the way you like, do what you want, etc. Then, the developers make changes to the core code, breaking X number of your extensions and plugins. One or more of those extensions/plugins were developed by 3rd party individuals who no longer support the extensions, for whatever reason. Now, your workflow/habits start to get screwed. Things you used to do, you can no longer do. Features that used to be easy for you, now become a pain. You have to find another way to get the same job done. Or, you can't do it at all. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars.LOL The problem is finding an easy one to learn and use that has all the need features you might require. This applies to any piece of software, not just graphics software. But you have to take the time to research other options, work with them enough to see which is the best tool for the job, and then use that tool. I'm doing a personal research project that will result in something printed, just not sure what. To get everything done, Writer and any other word processor I've ever used, just plain sucks. Scrivener, OTOH, is looking super promising. At the moment, the printed output is the current concern. I've just been using it for the last two weeks, not constantly of course, but I am impressed. And no, I'm not doing a movie or stage script.LOL That eye opening situation with Scrivener, now makes me want to try out LyX. http://www.lyx.org/Home Paint Shop Pro 5 was that for me, but it would not install on Win7 Home Premium, which came with my laptop [but will install on Win7 Professional]. Been using PSP5 for something like 10 years. PSP X5 is not as easy to use, since the company wanted to compete with Photoshop since version 8 or 9, so the learning curve started to increase. We all have our specific needs and ability to deal with the learning curves of the different image/graphics editors. Some are good, some are bad. Some are easy but not many features, but some are feature rich and hard to use. There was a version of GIMP called GIMPshop that was a hack to try and make GIMP easier to use. I think it was a Windows only package though. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
2013/6/9 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 Well, you need to read the whole article, of course, to understand how and what they did, and why. My point was only to point out MyPaint as a user friendly alternative, since I think the OP, among other things, asked for that, at least between the lines. Since I didn't try MyPaint myself (well, I did, but it seems like the Ubuntu 12.04 repository version is older than the tested version, if I remember correctly), I just used Linux Format as a reference. They liked the program, even if it ended up at fourth place out of five. ”Less versatile than the others, but it succeeds in its mission beautifully”, they said. Since versatility didn't seem to be critical, I though MyPaint could be worth a try for someone. Only a suggestion, nothing more than that. Johnny Rosenberg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars.LOL can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare different animals according to specific ends? F. The problem is finding an easy one to learn and use that has all the need features you might require. This applies to any piece of software, not just graphics software. But you have to take the time to research other options, work with them enough to see which is the best tool for the job, and then use that tool. I'm doing a personal research project that will result in something printed, just not sure what. To get everything done, Writer and any other word processor I've ever used, just plain sucks. Scrivener, OTOH, is looking super promising. At the moment, the printed output is the current concern. I've just been using it for the last two weeks, not constantly of course, but I am impressed. And no, I'm not doing a movie or stage script.LOL That eye opening situation with Scrivener, now makes me want to try out LyX. http://www.lyx.org/Home Paint Shop Pro 5 was that for me, but it would not install on Win7 Home Premium, which came with my laptop [but will install on Win7 Professional]. Been using PSP5 for something like 10 years. PSP X5 is not as easy to use, since the company wanted to compete with Photoshop since version 8 or 9, so the learning curve started to increase. We all have our specific needs and ability to deal with the learning curves of the different image/graphics editors. Some are good, some are bad. Some are easy but not many features, but some are feature rich and hard to use. There was a version of GIMP called GIMPshop that was a hack to try and make GIMP easier to use. I think it was a Windows only package though. -- Felmon Davis Things will get better despite our efforts to improve them. -- Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 11:55 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars.LOL can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare different animals according to specific ends? It depends on the specific ends. Then decide on the type of tool you wish to use. Once the type of tool is selected, then compare the different versions of that type tool. Let's say you want to disassemble an engine. How about a '57 Chevy? What kind of tool do you want to use? The first is to select the correct tools. Metric? Whitworth? SAE? The first two are obviously are not the right solution. They won't work worth a hoot. You can force them, but it would be a PITA to use. Which type of SAE tool? Wrench? Ratchet and sockets? Air tools and sockets? You decide on air tools and sockets. Now is when you compare the tools. Who makes the best air tool, for you, to do the job. Snap-on? Cleveland Pneumatic? Mac? MacTool? Cornwell? Now you have a valid basis on which to compare tools, as the all do the same basic job in the same manner. Compressed air to turn the sockets to remove nuts and bolts. That does not mean the air tool is always the best solution. Sometimes the wrench is the best solution. And of all the variations of wrenches available, it might be a more specific wrench, an angle head wrench for example, is the best choice. If you're specific end is to manipulate individual pixels in a bitmapped graphic, you use an image editor. You don't use a vector drawing program for that. Years ago, I used a couple of programs that claimed to do both, and in the end they did neither very well. This is where you need to know what kind of specific tools are out there. In the case of computers, what types of software is available, and a general idea of their capabilities. In your scenario, your first decision is what kind of graphic image is it? Bitmapped or vector? (In they auto example, what's the measurement system used? Metric, Whitworth, or SAE.) If bitmapped, you're changing individual pixels. If vector, you're changing areas. They are different situations, requiring different tools. A bitmapped image is a painting. A vector graphic is your car. Would you use a spray can to touch up your painting? A paint brush to paint your car? Although, I knew a guy that did that! Here's an example: I've a friend who wanted to take a picture, place numbers over it and create a clock face. The only software she knew about was Photoshop Essentials. And I don't know how much time she'd spent on the project with no success. But she was frustrated. After getting details from her, I did the job for her in 15 minutes in Inkscape, learning how to do it at the same time. She had never bothered to learn what other computer tools were out there, and what they were capable of. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 15:06:54 -0400, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: snip snip/ I've a friend who wanted to take a picture, place numbers over it and create a clock face. The only software she knew about was Photoshop Essentials. And I don't know how much time she'd spent on the project with no success. But she was frustrated. After getting details from her, I did the job for her in 15 minutes in Inkscape, learning how to do it at the same time. She had never bothered to learn what other computer tools were out there, and what they were capable of. I think you described the typical computer users. They only know a couple applications and use them even if they are not good for the situation. Most I have seen have never read any book on any of the software they use or even have one as reference. And they are completely lost if they must use the help system or online tools. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Hi :) +1 I didn't really get all the car tools references but the general idea came through anyway. Sometimes you only need a minimal tool and then it is often better to choose something simple. However, i chose to use Gimp because i hoped to learn more skills just by seeing extra options in the menus. It's kinda worked. If i had stuck with simpler tools i might have got individual jobs done a bit faster but i probably wouldn't be able to do all that i've learned to do and it seems that some people prefer my work to properly trained professional photographers for certain events. NOt something i was aiming for though! I'm not really happy about dealing with people face-to-face but somehow hiding behind a camera seems to offset my apprehensions. Regards from Tom :) From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 20:06 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO On 6/9/13 11:55 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 10:54 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 06/09/2013 12:00 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/9/13 8:11 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: The Linux magazine ”Linux Format” compared image editors in their LXF171 issue. The combatabts were GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, MyPaint and Pinta. MyPaint won the user interface round, but was worst in a few categories, such as text support, user interface customisability, multimedia and animation. ”Winner” was Krita, then Inkscape, Gimp, MyPaint and Pinta. To me, this is muddying the waters of what an image editing program is. Image editing means manipulating a bitmap at the pixel level. Those would be Gimp, Photoshop, etc. Inkscape is a vector drawing program, such as Corel Draw and any CAD program. Totally different animals, and to compare them in one test is, to me, wrong if not bogus. Well, you need both pixel and vector based graphics packages. Yes they are like comparing apples and oranges, but both are needed in your list of graphic editing packages, along with some people needing CAD and Visio/Dia diagramming packages. I also would include a good photo stitching package. I use ICE on Windows [free from Microsoft], but I have not looked into one for Ubuntu. Agreed on all points. Although I'd say a good bitmap editor would do the stitching just fine if you choose to take time to do it. I used to do that with scans from a hand scanner in my Atari computing days. But, to compare them? That would be like calling a Kenworth and a Ferrari racing cars. LOL can you clarify this for me - suppose I have a set of purposes, e.g. altering color, inserting text, cropping, what have you; is it unreasonable to compare 'different animals' in respect of ease of use and quality of results in relation to specific ends like this? (btw I compare apples to oranges all the time and indeed I prefer one to the other. I don't call them both 'citrus fruit' though, I do call them 'fruit' or food (actually, breakfast).) why can't we compare different animals according to specific ends? It depends on the specific ends. Then decide on the type of tool you wish to use. Once the type of tool is selected, then compare the different versions of that type tool. Let's say you want to disassemble an engine. How about a '57 Chevy? What kind of tool do you want to use? The first is to select the correct tools. Metric? Whitworth? SAE? The first two are obviously are not the right solution. They won't work worth a hoot. You can force them, but it would be a PITA to use. Which type of SAE tool? Wrench? Ratchet and sockets? Air tools and sockets? You decide on air tools and sockets. Now is when you compare the tools. Who makes the best air tool, for you, to do the job. Snap-on? Cleveland Pneumatic? Mac? MacTool? Cornwell? Now you have a valid basis on which to compare tools, as the all do the same basic job in the same manner. Compressed air to turn the sockets to remove nuts and bolts. That does not mean the air tool is always the best solution. Sometimes the wrench is the best solution. And of all the variations of wrenches available, it might be a more specific wrench, an angle head wrench for example, is the best choice. If you're specific end is to manipulate individual pixels in a bitmapped graphic, you use an image editor. You don't use a vector drawing program for that. Years ago, I used a couple of programs that claimed to do both, and in the end they did neither very well. This is where you need to know what kind of specific tools are out there. In the case of computers, what types of software is available, and a general idea of their capabilities. In your scenario, your first decision is what kind of graphic image is it? Bitmapped or vector? (In they auto example, what's the
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Hi :) There could be a core group of Extensions/Add-ons that are maintained as part of the program. Official add-ons. Then a bunch of 3rd party or experimental ones. Encourage all to be made as OpenSource so that if/when the original maintainer vanishes then others could take over. Regards from Tom :) From: Rich Lewis rlew...@gmail.com To: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 18:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO This is very true. The only way to ensure compatibility is if you control all the extensions, which would be a nightmare. Sticking with the paradigm of upgrading software breaks a lot of uncontrolled X, Microsoft did this on a larger scale. When they introduced Internet Explorer 10 they broke X number of websites (including our gradebook website). The fix is simple, just click the compatibility icon, but try explaining that to hundreds of parents of students who don't even know the difference between Chrome and Internet Explorer. Anyway, my point is that complaints will pile up. Like it or not, breaking plugins and extensions will make people feel less secure with LibreOffice. People always reach higher up on the chain for something to blame. Sent from my iPad On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: On 6/8/13 11:14 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: I like the concept that are core features combined with extensions/plugins to add little used features. Also, extensions/plugins would allow the dev team to focus on the core code and not run done every minor feature that is wanted. And the extenstions/plugins could be developed and maintained by others who are not part of the dev team. There is a downside to the extensions/plugins idea. It's who creates them. I run into this problem all the time with Firefox and Thunderbird. Many of the extensions and plugins are developed by folks outside of Mozilla. You find X number of them that allow you to add specific features that make the program operate the way you like, do what you want, etc. Then, the developers make changes to the core code, breaking X number of your extensions and plugins. One or more of those extensions/plugins were developed by 3rd party individuals who no longer support the extensions, for whatever reason. Now, your workflow/habits start to get screwed. Things you used to do, you can no longer do. Features that used to be easy for you, now become a pain. You have to find another way to get the same job done. Or, you can't do it at all. :-( -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 1:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I didn't really get all the car tools references but the general idea came through anyway. If you're interested, feel free to email me about the tools references, and I'll do my best to explain them. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 11:50:17AM +1200, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 2013-06-08 10:10, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/7/13 3:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote: snip I too wouldn't touch Kingsoft with a barge pole. I want to steer towards using formats that will be around and usable in a few years time. I want to be able to open documents maybe 10-20 years from now without having to struggle against malware and without having to try to find long-dead versions of long dead software produced by a company that may not even exist by then. You just hope the formats will be around 10-20 years from now. There's no guaranteed the current ODT format will even be viable then. Similar to the way desktop design interfaces are basically horrible on cell phones and tablets (IMO), all of it can change almost overnight with hardware changes. And LO are doing it now. LO4 already drops previous file compatibility, if AOO maintains that compatibility I will be looking hard at it. I think you mean if AOO doesn't maintain True? I thought one of the arguments for dropping MSO in favor of LO or OOo is that MSO ceased supporting older formats when there was a new release. What formats has LO stopped supporting? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 2:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) There could be a core group of Extensions/Add-ons that are maintained as part of the program. Official add-ons. Then a bunch of 3rd party or experimental ones. Encourage all to be made as OpenSource so that if/when the original maintainer vanishes then others could take over. Regards from Tom:) This assumes there will be someone interested in taking the extensions over. If you were at 3rd party developer, how would you feel about competing with official add-ons, especially if the one you wrote was superior? If it's not official, maybe there's something wrong with it. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 06/07/2013 01:25 PM, jorge wrote: I have installed Kingsoft in my Android Tablet because at this moment I think is the best option in that plataform and we don't have LibreOffice or OpenOffice for Android. Try EuroOffice For Android for ODT format files. Their website claims that CALC will be supported by the end of the year. Also AndrOpenOffice. It can read and write ODF format files, but not edit them. jonathon -- LibreOffice in a Multi-Lingual Environment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Le 09/06/2013 21:45, Jay Lozier a écrit : I think you described the typical computer users. They only know a couple applications and use them even if they are not good for the situation. I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail. (Abraham Maslow) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Hi :) Ahh, brilliant! Looks like we do have good options after all. Thanks for that one! Regards from Tom :) From: TOKI Kantoor toki.kant...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 22:29 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO On 06/07/2013 01:25 PM, jorge wrote: I have installed Kingsoft in my Android Tablet because at this moment I think is the best option in that plataform and we don't have LibreOffice or OpenOffice for Android. Try EuroOffice For Android for ODT format files. Their website claims that CALC will be supported by the end of the year. Also AndrOpenOffice. It can read and write ODF format files, but not edit them. jonathon -- LibreOffice in a Multi-Lingual Environment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
Hi :) Hmmm, i was thinking of the official ones covering certain fairly commonly used functionality and the 3rd party ones tending to go for interesting oddities. But if a 3rd party one was directly competing with an official one and doing it better then it would be great to have some mechanism for it to swap places and become the official one. Anyway, all this is idle speculation. Possibly a great idea in theory but unlikely to happen. Regards from Tom :) From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 21:43 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO On 6/9/13 2:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) There could be a core group of Extensions/Add-ons that are maintained as part of the program. Official add-ons. Then a bunch of 3rd party or experimental ones. Encourage all to be made as OpenSource so that if/when the original maintainer vanishes then others could take over. Regards from Tom:) This assumes there will be someone interested in taking the extensions over. If you were at 3rd party developer, how would you feel about competing with official add-ons, especially if the one you wrote was superior? If it's not official, maybe there's something wrong with it. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/9/13 5:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, i was thinking of the official ones covering certain fairly commonly used functionality and the 3rd party ones tending to go for interesting oddities. But if a 3rd party one was directly competing with an official one and doing it better then it would be great to have some mechanism for it to swap places and become the official one. For me, the fairly common features are not what I'm looking for. Why? The fairly common ones tend not to push the envelope presenting new features, ideas, and methods of working with XXX. And the very reason I'm sitting here actually reading the 540 page Scrivener manual!LOL -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 20.0 Thunderbird 17.0.5 LibreOffice 4.0.3.3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
It makes me ask the question how do people on distros such as Gentoo / Mageia / Slackware / CentOS solve this problem, Logic tells me that they would download the source code from here: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=src This then leads me to the conundrum as to how do they resolve the conundrum of dependency! The whole issue then gets shrouded by the different factions of the distros loyal fan-base claiming why their way is the +Best+. I myself have been guilty of it!. I propose redoing the design of the Linux download page and adding Icons for the DEB based installer and the same for the RPM based one. Having a generic Linux package as well would also be an advantage perhaps implemented by using *bz2 format and using a tux logo as it's header? It might solve some confusion that I initially had. One further comment: Would I be right in saying the source code can be ported to work on BSD based systems such as FreeBSD and BeOS? I'd be interested in the process On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, at 07:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper? Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as they first appear! Should be fun though :) Good luck and happy hunting! Regards from Tom :) I'm an _occasional_ binge distro-hopper, boot up something from a 'live' drive and have a look, sometimes install for a real look-around. but basically I've been with the same distro for about three or so yrs. when it comes to installing for testing, I have one or two machines to play with for this sort of purpose plus even if I only had one machine, it's easy to switch in a spare hard-drive and play. (laptops are easy to open.) and best of all is to know gparted and grub2. F. From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 9:17 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux? On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote: I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try: pacman -S libreoffice This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you. You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice Best Regards, Kevin Suo Beijing, China. I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board. the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient. it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite livable. I may actually install it. beats doing real work. F. 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope: Hi! I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages. -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The tailor makes the man. -- Erasmus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis The Schizophrenic: An Unauthorized Autobiography -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting
