date:20130729


Hello Tom

Thanks for the link - when I have the time during the day I'll look into 
that.


These were files on my own drive - not networked - and files originally 
created with LibO.


Cheers


On 30/07/13 00:37, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
This might help you post a bug-report
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

Just out of curiosity, did you get the "General input/output error" 
when dealing with files on the network shares or on your local machine?

Regards from
Tom :)



*From:* sun shine 
*To:* "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
*Sent:* Monday, 29 July 2013, 21:07
*Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in
4.1 - error messages

On 29/07/13 20:12, sun shine wrote:
> On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote:
>> Hi list
>>
>> I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable
to open password protected writer documents written in earlier
versions of LibO.
>>
>> I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text
and copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password
message.
>>
>> Has anyone else found this?
>>
>> Has anyone figured a workaround?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my
machine: I have attempted to create a document and then to save it
with a password and it throws back this error message:
>
> Error saving the document Untitled1:
> General Error.
> General input/output error.
>
> I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the
broader security related issues of passwords and 4.1
>
> Can anyone else confirm this please?
>
> Cheers
>

Sorry to keep replying to my own email - I have just installed
4.0.4 and I cannot reproduce either of the errors - this is
therefore a 4.1 specific bug.  How would I report it?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Draw "destroys" odg files

2013-07-29 Thread Joel Madero



Just to report back on this, the bug was identified as a duplicate, 
but, it looks like it helped with resolving the issue and it will be 
fixed in an upcoming update to the 4.0.x branch.


https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60075

Thanks to the users on this list as well as the devs who worked on 
getting it fixed! Big thanks also for the user(s) who submitted files 
for the devs to test with, this goes a long way in helping getting 
bugs fixed quicker.


Just a reminder that we could use all the help possible in QA (quality 
assurance) to help in the bug reporting process. If you are 
interested, join the QA list, there are many different types of tasks 
that can be easily done by volunteers and some not that 
time-consuming. You can find out more about QA here:


https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/

Cheers,

Marc

Thanks Mark for promoting the team - we can definitely still use the 
help. That site doesn't even list everything that we have going on. 
Whether you have programming skills or not - we have plenty of things 
that need done, everything from basic wiki cleanup to helping improve 
our bug submission assistant and more technical things like automating 
unit tests.


Remember we have a North America QA casual chat this Friday at noon PST 
(UTC - 7) - if you're in N. America and have 5-10 minutes a week even to 
do minor tasks - please join us on freenode @ 
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa



Best,
Joel



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America QA Online Chat

2013-07-29 Thread Joel Madero


On 07/29/2013 04:42 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 07/28/2013 08:54 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

On 07/28/2013 05:32 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 07/28/2013 03:50 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote:
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Joel Madero 
 wrote:

Hi All,

So it looks like we have at least 5 people from North America who are
interested in participating so I say let's do it.

nifty!


Date: August 2nd, 2013
Time: 1500 (EST) so for those on the west coast we're talking Noon 
:) If I
must I'll translate that to GMT/UTC butI seem to get that 
wrong often ;)

Well 1300GMT is 9 here, so 1500EST is later-o-clock GMT, right?

@Robinson - can we get a tentative agenda going - you and I can 
give an
update and maybe get a few things together that we could use help 
with - see

if we can get some volunteers to help us with some of the load :)

Yep, yep.

Agenda:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_02_NA_Pub_Chat 



For anyone thinking about joining - please do - we're a friendly 
bunch, if
we could pop open a beer in a pub and do it live we would but 
distance
prevents this so as a second best feel free to have a beer on 
hangout,

it'll be casual ;)

Page appropriately themed...

--R



AlthoughI am in the USA, I do not know if I would be a part of the 
"chat".


I am not a developer and I have noreal skill in promoting developers 
to be part of the LO system.


I do support the "cause" and do what I can towards that.  But any 
live chat is not something I will do, since after 3 strokes it is 
hard to type quickly.  It can take 10-20 minutes to just type an 
email to people that is only a few paragraph long.


Video chatting never worked on my end, though I have tried.



This is not a developer chat at all - I have very very limited skills 
in terms of development - Quality Assurance is about testing the 
product, managing bugzilla and providing a medium for which user 
complaints/suggestions reach developers. So I encourage you to join - 
I've seen you quite often on the user channel and you are very very 
helpful and known in the community - if you have the time please call 
in to talkyoo with a cell phone or landline.



Best,
Joel

Sorry, but that was what I got when I first saw the emails.  You 
wanted to get more people on this side of the pond involved in 
developing LO and other open source packages.


"on the user channel"?
Do you mean the email lists? If not, then I do not know who it would 
be, since I rarely use "chat" for anything, along with Twitter or 
Facebook.


To be honest, I am not comfortable calling in an "talkyou" or any live 
option. After 3 strokes, it can be difficult sometimes to get the 
"proper words out". When I am face to face, using a wheeled-walker or 
wheelchair, people are more "understanding" when I have troubles with 
my speech pattern.  They are more willing to "wait" for me to get the 
words out, than most people I have dealt with over the phone lines.  
That is why I do most of my communicating via email where I can pause 
for the words and/or edit them so I get the meaning of the words out 
even if not all the "right" words.


To be honest, some days I can barely speak "understandably" and/or 
type 3 letters in a row correctly[let alone the needed words]. That is 
what I have to deal with, and am very lucky that I have that much, 
since I lost a lot of my memory with the 1st and 2nd of the 3 strokes.




No worries at all - if you ever want to call in and just listen - no 
need to say a single word and you can get a sense of how QA works on the 
project. We've had people do this before.


Warm Regards,
Joel

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Draw "destroys" odg files

2013-07-29 Thread Marc Paré


Le 2013-07-28 23:49, Marc Paré a écrit :

Le 2013-07-27 06:59, Marc Paré a écrit :

Hi everyone,

I am just keeping the text together on this one as it has been a while
since this topic was discussed.

I just got a file that crashes LibreOffice v.4.0 but I found that it
does open with the newest version LibreOffice v.4.1.

Michael, who supplied the file, has found that it crashes v.4.0.4.2
Windows.

I looked on the LibreOffice Bugzilla and could not find a mention of it.
Does anyone know if this was submitted as a bug, just in case I missed
it?

BTW ... thanks to Michael for the file.

Cheers,

Marc



I have submitted a bug with attached sample file for this here:

https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=67453

Cheers,

Marc



Just to report back on this, the bug was identified as a duplicate, but, 
it looks like it helped with resolving the issue and it will be fixed in 
an upcoming update to the 4.0.x branch.


https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60075

Thanks to the users on this list as well as the devs who worked on 
getting it fixed! Big thanks also for the user(s) who submitted files 
for the devs to test with, this goes a long way in helping getting bugs 
fixed quicker.


Just a reminder that we could use all the help possible in QA (quality 
assurance) to help in the bug reporting process. If you are interested, 
join the QA list, there are many different types of tasks that can be 
easily done by volunteers and some not that time-consuming. You can find 
out more about QA here:


https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Uninstall ?

2013-07-29 Thread Cliff Scott

** Reply to message from Sheafe Ewing  on Sat, 27 Jul
2013 13:08:15 -0700

> Have read the ReadMe Notes after downloading LibreOffice 4.1.0
> 
> Is it necessary to uninstall  version 4.0.3.3 before installing the newest 
> version 4.1.0
> 
> Using Mac OS 10.8.4
> 
> Thx

Just install and it will ask you if you want to overwrite the old one or keep
two copies. I usually keep both for a while in case there are problems with
the new one. Each one runs independently of the other.

Cliff

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer

2013-07-29 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 07/29/2013 03:36 PM, sun shine wrote:

Hello list

On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit LibO-4.1. 
is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue is trying to 
print specific pages within a Writer document: the print dialog box 
does not allow editing the specific pages text box. In order to make 
this work - i.e. to select the pages I wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and 
re-opened it, then it worked.


Anybody else experienced this?

I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 
(password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned here) 
which don't really inspire confidence as these are features that have 
been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure why they 
don't work as expected with the 4.1 release.


Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to roll 
back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point.


Cheers



I do not use Mint due to printer issues.  The biggest one wasthatit 
would not recognizeor even find it on my network my main network color 
printer that Ubuntu has not problems finding/using.  But it would see it 
via a USB cable.  I had other printer/driver issues for it to print 
"properly" on the other printers on my network.


You are running 32-bit Mint 14?  Mate or Cinnamon desktop?
You removed the previously installed version of LO, correct?

Did you have any problems with 4.0.4 printing page selections?

In Tools / Options / LibreOffice / General
have you checked "Use LibreOffice dialogs" in the "Print dialogs" section?

Check it if not.  If already checked [which I used for Ubuntu 12.04LTS] 
then un-check it.  See if that changes anything.  This option does not 
show up with the Windows users, so they would not know this.  I had to 
check it to get one of my printers to duplex properly.  I am told others 
need to have it unchecked for their printer[s].




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: eastern font in new version

2013-07-29 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster



Please try this. . .
remove the current version you have installed.

Download the proper DEB install to your system and install the needed 
language and help packs [that order] you may need.  I use "standard" 
English, so I just install the help pack.



Install 4.0.4 DEB [64 or 32 bit].

I use Ubuntu 12.04LTS, but tested 13.04.  I run the 4.0.4 64-bit version.

Sometimes there can be issues that crop up with the LO version on the 
repositories.  There should not be, but it has been know to happen that 
if you remove/purge/uninstall the repository version and install the one 
on the LO download page[s], the "issues" seem to go away.  Why? I do not 
know, but one time I had the repository download of one of the needed 
install files "fail" to download correctly.  That is what caused the 
issue back then.  Since all of the files for the LO download page 
version are in an archive, there is little chance that one of the files 
will be corrupted or missing.


As for language fonts, which languages do you use or install on your 
system?


Since you started this with a problem with an India language font as 
part of the issue, did you want or need that font or that language?  I 
make sure of what fonts I have installed in my font system.  I tend to 
uninstall any non-English fonts, if I have no use for them.  Of course I 
save copies just to make sure.  You do have to make sure none of the 
fonts are part of the "system font" listed in 
"System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts"  If you want, change all of them 
to one of the Ubuntu "named" fonts before you start removing any 
"unknown fonts" in your .fonts hidden folder, or any other font 
references.  I found out the "hard way" that you need to do this or you 
might remove one of those systems fonts by mistake.  At that point you 
hope for the ability to get it back from your backups of the dot 
folders.  I had to reinstall 10.04 once when I first did this.  Of 
course, now I have 2 different backups of my /home folder[s] including 
the hidden dot folders. One on a different internal drive, and one on an 
external drive.



On 07/29/2013 06:24 AM, biggrandad wrote:

Hi thanks for reply. I have not installed any packs on to my pc, i just did a 
strait down load from ubuntu software centre, in fact the version of ubuntu 
13.04 is a new update and the language fonts were as the are with the new 
installation of LO I removed the old version before installing the new one. I 
cant find anything to let me install language pack the only thing I can find on 
LO website is extension and templates, nothing I can find in the documentation 
helps me either
thanks


  
Dave Mapeley  Cert Nat Sci (open)





  From: krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 

To: biggrandad 
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 20:30
Subject: Re: eastern font in new version
  



On 07/27/2013 11:53 AM, biggrandad wrote:

I have just installed ver 4 on my ubuntu 13.04 system but when I try to
change the set font most if not all are indian script fonts. Is there any
way theses can be removed and western fonts installed. I have tried looking
in the documentation but there seems to be mention of fonts.
cheers dave



What Ubuntu language[s] packages have you installed with 13.04?

Which LO language pack[s] are you using?

Have you tried adding, say en_GB, to the install?

If you are using an Eastern language pack, there may be some setting
that does not want you to remove the Eastern fonts.  This is just a
guess though.

What type of Western fonts have you installed on your system?  Have you
added the MS core fonts?  Since they are the "default" Western font for
many people, they might fare better for changing Eastern font settings
to Western ones.

There has to be some core language setting in either LO or Ubuntu that
is hampering the change.

I run 12.04, but with the default USA English install, and I have no
problems with changing any and all of the default fonts.

---
Tools / Language Settings / Languages

Do you have the "show UI elements for Bi-Directional writing or for East
Asian writings "checked"?  If you system language is in an Eastern
language, like Hindi, does "Ignore system input language" change things
for you if you check that option.

Does having the locale setting set to English USA or Great Britain
change things?






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America QA Online Chat

2013-07-29 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster


On 07/28/2013 08:54 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

On 07/28/2013 05:32 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 07/28/2013 03:50 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote:
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Joel Madero  
wrote:

Hi All,

So it looks like we have at least 5 people from North America who are
interested in participating so I say let's do it.

nifty!


Date: August 2nd, 2013
Time: 1500 (EST) so for those on the west coast we're talking Noon 
:) If I
must I'll translate that to GMT/UTC butI seem to get that wrong 
often ;)

Well 1300GMT is 9 here, so 1500EST is later-o-clock GMT, right?

@Robinson - can we get a tentative agenda going - you and I can 
give an
update and maybe get a few things together that we could use help 
with - see

if we can get some volunteers to help us with some of the load :)

Yep, yep.

Agenda:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_02_NA_Pub_Chat 



For anyone thinking about joining - please do - we're a friendly 
bunch, if

we could pop open a beer in a pub and do it live we would but distance
prevents this so as a second best feel free to have a beer on 
hangout,

it'll be casual ;)

Page appropriately themed...

--R



AlthoughI am in the USA, I do not know if I would be a part of the 
"chat".


I am not a developer and I have noreal skill in promoting developers 
to be part of the LO system.


I do support the "cause" and do what I can towards that.  But any 
live chat is not something I will do, since after 3 strokes it is 
hard to type quickly.  It can take 10-20 minutes to just type an 
email to people that is only a few paragraph long.


Video chatting never worked on my end, though I have tried.



This is not a developer chat at all - I have very very limited skills 
in terms of development - Quality Assurance is about testing the 
product, managing bugzilla and providing a medium for which user 
complaints/suggestions reach developers. So I encourage you to join - 
I've seen you quite often on the user channel and you are very very 
helpful and known in the community - if you have the time please call 
in to talkyoo with a cell phone or landline.



Best,
Joel

Sorry, but that was what I got when I first saw the emails.  You wanted 
to get more people on this side of the pond involved in developing LO 
and other open source packages.


"on the user channel"?
Do you mean the email lists? If not, then I do not know who it would be, 
since I rarely use "chat" for anything, along with Twitter or Facebook.


To be honest, I am not comfortable calling in an "talkyou" or any live 
option. After 3 strokes, it can be difficult sometimes to get the 
"proper words out". When I am face to face, using a wheeled-walker or 
wheelchair, people are more "understanding" when I have troubles with my 
speech pattern.  They are more willing to "wait" for me to get the words 
out, than most people I have dealt with over the phone lines.  That is 
why I do most of my communicating via email where I can pause for the 
words and/or edit them so I get the meaning of the words out even if not 
all the "right" words.


To be honest, some days I can barely speak "understandably" and/or type 
3 letters in a row correctly[let alone the needed words].  That is what 
I have to deal with, and am very lucky that I have that much, since I 
lost a lot of my memory with the 1st and 2nd of the 3 strokes.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages

2013-07-29 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)  

This might help you post a bug-report
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

Just out of curiosity, did you get the "General input/output error" when 
dealing with files on the network shares or on your local machine?
Regards from 

Tom :)  





>
> From: sun shine 
>To: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013, 21:07
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error 
>messages
> 
>
>On 29/07/13 20:12, sun shine wrote:
>> On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote:
>>> Hi list
>>> 
>>> I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open 
>>> password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO.
>>> 
>>> I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied it 
>>> over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else found this?
>>> 
>>> Has anyone figured a workaround?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>> 
>> Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I have 
>> attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password and it 
>> throws back this error message:
>> 
>> Error saving the document Untitled1:
>> General Error.
>> General input/output error.
>> 
>> I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader security 
>> related issues of passwords and 4.1
>> 
>> Can anyone else confirm this please?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>
>Sorry to keep replying to my own email - I have just installed 4.0.4 and I 
>cannot reproduce either of the errors - this is therefore a 4.1 specific bug.  
>How would I report it?
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages


On 29/07/13 20:12, sun shine wrote:

On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote:

Hi list

I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open 
password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO.


I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and 
copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message.


Has anyone else found this?

Has anyone figured a workaround?

Thanks



Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I 
have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a 
password and it throws back this error message:


Error saving the document Untitled1:
General Error.
General input/output error.

I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader 
security related issues of passwords and 4.1


Can anyone else confirm this please?

Cheers



Sorry to keep replying to my own email - I have just installed 4.0.4 and 
I cannot reproduce either of the errors - this is therefore a 4.1 
specific bug.  How would I report it?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3


On 29/07/13 20:30, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I certainly hope the primary motive for FOSS such as LO is not a 
disdain for MS. I personally don't care how much money MS makes. I 
hope the LO developers are motivated by a desire to produce a great 
product that can be used worldwide. Hatred usually doesn't provide a 
very effective motive for productive action.


Virgil



+1 (and some more too :-) )

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[libreoffice-users] Printing specific pages in 4.1 writer


Hello list

On a Debian like system (Mint 14), my newly installed 32-bit LibO-4.1. 
is creating a bit of problems for me. This latest issue is trying to 
print specific pages within a Writer document: the print dialog box does 
not allow editing the specific pages text box. In order to make this 
work - i.e. to select the pages I wanted - I closed LibO4.1. and 
re-opened it, then it worked.


Anybody else experienced this?

I've had two relatively minor issues with Writer LibO-4.1 
(password-related and the page selection for printing mentioned here) 
which don't really inspire confidence as these are features that have 
been preserved since the OOo days ... so not at all sure why they don't 
work as expected with the 4.1 release.


Anyway, will continue to test 4.1 for a while, but am inclined to roll 
back to 4.0.4 for doing work at this point.


Cheers

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

2013-07-29 Thread Virgil Arrington

I certainly hope the primary motive for FOSS such as LO is not a disdain for 
MS. I personally don't care how much money MS makes. I hope the LO 
developers are motivated by a desire to produce a great product that can be 
used worldwide. Hatred usually doesn't provide a very effective motive for 
productive action.


Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: Amit Choudhary

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:47 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Amit Choudhary
 wrote:




On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Brown  wrote:


Hi Amit

I understand where you are coming from, and the good news is, in your 
favour, that MS in both it's O/S and office suite are losing market share 
in a big way. Here's an article from Ubuntu founder and my countryman 
Mark Shuttelworth on his take on MS and Ubuntu. I like his statement that 
the no.1 bug in Linux has now been fixed/closed, in that MS no longer 
dominates majority market share.



But the numbers don't lie. I checked MS revenues and profits on 
finance.yahoo.com and it doesn't look like MS is losing market share. MS 
losing share might be an illusion.




Period Ending   Jun 30, 2012
Jun 30, 2011   Jun 30, 2010

Net Income Applicable To Common Shares $16,978,000   $23,150,000
 $18,760,000  (All numbers in thousands)

Regards,
Amit

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages


On 2013-07-29 3:12 PM, sun shine  wrote:

Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I
have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password
and it throws back this error message:

Error saving the document Untitled1:
General Error.
General input/output error.

I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader
security related issues of passwords and 4.1

Can anyone else confirm this please?


That is the exact error message I get when trying to open OpenXML 
documents (.docx, .xlsx or .pptx)...


Interesting 'coincidence' (I don't believe in coincidences)...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages


On 2013-07-29 3:03 PM, sun shine  wrote:

I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open
password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO.

I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied
it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message.

Has anyone else found this?


Mine that is on 4.1.0.4 (Windows XP PRo 32bit) that has the problem with 
opening OpenXML documents opens my two password protected files fine...


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages


On 29/07/13 20:03, sun shine wrote:

Hi list

I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open 
password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO.


I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and 
copied it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message.


Has anyone else found this?

Has anyone figured a workaround?

Thanks



Actually - this seems to be a larger issue, at least on my machine: I 
have attempted to create a document and then to save it with a password 
and it throws back this error message:


Error saving the document Untitled1:
General Error.
General input/output error.

I suspect therefore, that there is something wrong with the broader 
security related issues of passwords and 4.1


Can anyone else confirm this please?

Cheers

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[libreoffice-users] Password protected documents in 4.1 - error messages


Hi list

I've recently installed 4.1 for a Deb system, and I am unable to open 
password protected writer documents written in earlier versions of LibO.


I've double-checked the password, even typed it in plain text and copied 
it over, and it still throws back an incorrect password message.


Has anyone else found this?

Has anyone figured a workaround?

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

2013-07-29 Thread Paul

Hi Amit,

Revenues and profits (and shares for that matter), are not the same as
market share. Just because revenue is increasing, doesn't mean they
aren't losing market share. If they are losing market share, it
just means their revenue isn't increasing as much as it could be.

So I'm not sure that
> I checked MS revenues and profits on finance.yahoo.com
tells us anything useful in this regard.

> But the numbers don't lie.
Not always true. As they say: "Lies, damn lies, and statistics".

Regards

Paul



On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:14:53 +0530
Amit Choudhary  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Brown 
> wrote:
> 
> >  Hi Amit
> >
> > I understand where you are coming from, and the good news is, in
> > your favour, that MS in both it's O/S and office suite are losing
> > market share in a big way. Here's an article from Ubuntu founder
> > and my countryman Mark Shuttelworth on his take on MS and Ubuntu. I
> > like his statement that the no.1 bug in Linux has now been
> > fixed/closed, in that MS no longer dominates majority market share.
> >
> 
> But the numbers don't lie. I checked MS revenues and profits on
> finance.yahoo.com and it doesn't look like MS is losing market share.
> MS losing share might be an illusion.
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1


On 2013-07-29 8:00 AM, Tanstaafl  wrote:

On 2013-07-29 2:36 AM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

I can offer my input as to Windows 7. I am using Windows 7 Ultimate
64bit, all up to date with jre-7u21, both 32bit and 64bit installed
(this should not be an issue though as covered by many emails posts, LO
is reducing it's need for Java support). I was testing LO 4.1 so I have
LO 4.0.4.2 stable installed alongside LO 4.1.0.3 RC3, following the
online guidelines on installing two LO versions without clashes.

I did each step posted below and created the .docx document. I was able
to open it with no incident whatsoever, so it might either point to a XP
/ LO problem under 32bit, or something you have installed in XP causing
the crash.


Confirmed...

I'll test on a few more XP workstations, and go open a bug if it does
the same thing on all of them.


The second one I tried it on (the first after mine, that was broken) it 
worked fine, so apparently it is something borked on my workstation...


Sorry for the noise...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Amit Choudhary
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Brown  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Amit
>>
>> I understand where you are coming from, and the good news is, in your 
>> favour, that MS in both it's O/S and office suite are losing market share in 
>> a big way. Here's an article from Ubuntu founder and my countryman Mark 
>> Shuttelworth on his take on MS and Ubuntu. I like his statement that the 
>> no.1 bug in Linux has now been fixed/closed, in that MS no longer dominates 
>> majority market share.
>
>
> But the numbers don't lie. I checked MS revenues and profits on 
> finance.yahoo.com and it doesn't look like MS is losing market share. MS 
> losing share might be an illusion.
>

Period Ending   Jun 30, 2012
 Jun 30, 2011   Jun 30, 2010

Net Income Applicable To Common Shares $16,978,000   $23,150,000
  $18,760,000  (All numbers in thousands)

Regards,
Amit

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

>  Hi Amit
>
> I understand where you are coming from, and the good news is, in your
> favour, that MS in both it's O/S and office suite are losing market share
> in a big way. Here's an article from Ubuntu founder and my countryman Mark
> Shuttelworth on his take on MS and Ubuntu. I like his statement that the
> no.1 bug in Linux has now been fixed/closed, in that MS no longer dominates
> majority market share.
>

But the numbers don't lie. I checked MS revenues and profits on
finance.yahoo.com and it doesn't look like MS is losing market share. MS
losing share might be an illusion.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1


On 2013-07-29 2:36 AM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

I can offer my input as to Windows 7. I am using Windows 7 Ultimate
64bit, all up to date with jre-7u21, both 32bit and 64bit installed
(this should not be an issue though as covered by many emails posts, LO
is reducing it's need for Java support). I was testing LO 4.1 so I have
LO 4.0.4.2 stable installed alongside LO 4.1.0.3 RC3, following the
online guidelines on installing two LO versions without clashes.

I did each step posted below and created the .docx document. I was able
to open it with no incident whatsoever, so it might either point to a XP
/ LO problem under 32bit, or something you have installed in XP causing
the crash.


Confirmed...

I'll test on a few more XP workstations, and go open a bug if it does 
the same thing on all of them.


Would appreciate anyone else still on XP to test as well...

Thanks Andrew

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[libreoffice-users] Re: eastern font in new version

2013-07-29 Thread biggrandad

Hi thanks for reply. I have not installed any packs on to my pc, i just did a 
strait down load from ubuntu software centre, in fact the version of ubuntu 
13.04 is a new update and the language fonts were as the are with the new 
installation of LO I removed the old version before installing the new one. I 
cant find anything to let me install language pack the only thing I can find on 
LO website is extension and templates, nothing I can find in the documentation 
helps me either
thanks

Dave Mapeley  Cert Nat Sci (open)

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To: biggrandad  
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 20:30
Subject: Re: eastern font in new version

On 07/27/2013 11:53 AM, biggrandad wrote: 
> I have just installed ver 4 on my ubuntu 13.04 system but when I try to 
> change the set font most if not all are indian script fonts. Is there any 
> way theses can be removed and western fonts installed. I have tried looking 
> in the documentation but there seems to be mention of fonts. 
> cheers dave 
> 
> 

What Ubuntu language[s] packages have you installed with 13.04? 

Which LO language pack[s] are you using? 

Have you tried adding, say en_GB, to the install? 

If you are using an Eastern language pack, there may be some setting 
that does not want you to remove the Eastern fonts.  This is just a 
guess though. 

What type of Western fonts have you installed on your system?  Have you 
added the MS core fonts?  Since they are the "default" Western font for 
many people, they might fare better for changing Eastern font settings 
to Western ones. 

There has to be some core language setting in either LO or Ubuntu that 
is hampering the change. 

I run 12.04, but with the default USA English install, and I have no 
problems with changing any and all of the default fonts. 

--- 
Tools / Language Settings / Languages 

Do you have the "show UI elements for Bi-Directional writing or for East 
Asian writings "checked"?  If you system language is in an Eastern 
language, like Hindi, does "Ignore system input language" change things 
for you if you check that option. 

Does having the locale setting set to English USA or Great Britain 
change things? 

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[libreoffice-users] Re: SQL-Query Syntax in LO-3.6-Base

2013-07-29 Thread Alexander Thurgood

Le 29/07/13 10:00, Heinrich Stoellinger a écrit :

Hi Heinrich,

> Using the German UI, I don't have a "Tools" menu item. I suspect it is
> called
> "Extras" in my version. Clicking on "SQL" under THAT menu I can enter the
> SQL statement alright. As mentioned before, this statement is
> 

Yes, that's right, sorry, I don't switch my UI to German very often.


> insert into anwesenheit
>  (select 999,a2.persNr,anwesend,statAnw,abwGrund,a2.mitfahrer,bemerkung
>   from anwesenheit a2
>   where a2.veranstNr = 796);
> (also tried without the ";")
> On execution I still get back the same error!

Unfortunately, not all statements that you can run from the command line
in MySQL's SQL dialect will work, even via the Tools/Extras - SQL menu
entry.

You should try and make your SQL statement more standards SQL compliant,
the baseline for LO being ANSI SQL 1999, I think (but don't quote me on it).

Ultimately, you will probably have to try and reformulate your statement
in a way that LO understands, however, this may, or may not actually be
possible, at least not in the way in you want.

> As a long-time systems "nurd" I myself don't mind entering the statement
> from a mysql-client command-line. It is just that handing the
> administration
> of the database over to "normal" people, I cannot expect them to use a text
> editor to define the query that way and then run it through the mysql
> client.

Agreed, but I'm afraid that LO still lacks the desired feature set for that.


> SQL queries should be able to cover statements as the one above. I use it
> to keep a table up-to-date which shows the presence of musicians in my band
> at practices every week or concerts...
> phpMyAdmin isn't really an alternative either...

Agreed. Currently, the best way to achieve what you are looking for, if
a SQL INSERT SELECT statement is not accepted, is to use Basic, or
another programming language that interfaces with LO to produce what you
want and the use form elements to associate that with the execution of
the script.


Alex



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I understand where you are coming from, and the good news is, in your
favour, that MS in both it's O/S and office suite are losing market
share in a big way. Here's an article from Ubuntu founder and my
countryman Mark Shuttelworth on his take on MS and Ubuntu. I like his
statement that the no.1 bug in Linux has now been fixed/closed, in that
MS no longer dominates majority market share.

As you'll notice in the supplied link article and the chart, MS has
toppled since 2011 in market share, and I believe will continue to do so
with Android, Firefox O/S for mobiles and shortly Ubuntu Touch for
mobiles. And along with a launch shortly of their own device the Ubuntu
Edge, a great looking device from the pics so far, second link.

http://memeburn.com/2013/05/microsoft-dominance-is-over-mark-shuttleworth-declares-ubuntu-bug-no-1-fixed/

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

Anyway I am off-topic here, I see a great future even now for all
opensourced Office suites, and it will grow along with the above
mentioned software and hardware.

Regards

On 29/07/2013 10:33 AM, Amit Choudhary wrote:

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Andrew Brown > wrote:

Amit

Your knowledge of the document standards is limited by your reply
here. This issue of the document standards and naming convention
was covered by a world body of multinationals and the preservation
of all things in human digital text etc. This was to allow anyone,
alien or earthly, thousands of years from now, to decode and read
and modify the history in the digital world of mankind. So the
open document standards were born and ratified and accpeted by the
majority of the world that counts. MS did not agree and tried to
introduce their own so-called opens standard with the .xml base,
i.e.x docx, xlsx, and so forth.

But it has not been accepted by the world bodies, even though the
MS document standard does survive. As you will now notice MSO 2007
(partially), MSO 2010 and 2013 all can reads and write in the ODS
standard used by OOo, AOO and LO. MS had no choice but to fit in
and follow suit, so it's not the other way around that we and all
other s outside of the use of MSO, must fit in. The ODS standard
is here to stayt and will dominate over time, no matter what the
masses say and want. It's about education that we all have choices
and many efficient and useful alternatives in the digital world.

I might be out-of-date of what had been decided. But what I see is
this: MS Office everywhere I worked which translates to possibly
billions of doallars in MS pcokets.

My agenda with whatever I have wrote till now is: Why should MS get
billions of dollars?

The open formats should be supported, I am not against that, I am
against the timing.

MS Office will win because 90% of computers have Windosws on them.
Until Linux desktops/laptops become popular people will not switch to
open document format.

My strategy would be similar to MS: Make users switch to LO and then
give them open dcoument format and remove MS formats. Since 90% of the
installations will have LO, no one is going to complain and they will
happily settle for open document format and MS can't do anything.

It is the strategy and timing I am talking about. Doing both together
(MS compatibility + Open document) is a strain on developers and QA.

Given that LO has very few developers and QA, then why should LO focus
on two product lines. It is not correct strategy.

Regards,
Amit

PS: I am not pushing my ideas but I do not want to pay MS. Also, I
will be using LO but if the person who is receiving my document has MS
Office, then what?

MS is a clever, arm-twisting company. You never know what they can
come up with. Bill Gates knew about monopoly and that's why all MS
components are intertwined with each other so that if you remove one
component then other component will not work properly. Bill Gates did
this even before question arose about breaking up MS, and after this
happened in Europe, MS avoided it easily by stating that if they
remove IE then Windows will not work properly and got away with not
breaking up.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3

> I too am an end user and not a developer. From my perspective it is not at
> all difficult to generally keep up to date with the latest software
> (although the 4.1. desktop-integration thing threw me for a while). All new
> releases are clearly badged: don't use on production machines. So don't
> then. This is not the fault of the developers if people install software
> that is not to be used on production machines on production machines. If
> your sysadmin is chasing the latest releases, s/he needs to decide on
> stability versus the latest gizmo that may well lead to a broader
> instability elsewhere.
>

Nothing is anyone's fault. I am not complaining. But as some people
suggested yesterday and before, there should be a "last known stable
releases" page where all the stable releases should be mentioned so that
the user can make an informed choice.

Regards,
Amit

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3