[libreoffice-users] Sequentially numberted tickets...

[David Love]

I have been asked to design and print numbered tickets for an event being
organised by a Club to which my wife belongs.  

Starting from the left edge:

(a) in the first third details of the event and a number. This is the "stub"


(b) in the remaining two thirds there is an image to the left and then
details of the event. This is the "ticket"

(c) each ticket has two numbers (both the same) printed to justify right on
the "stub" and on the "ticket"

(d) each ticket spans the width of an A4 page

(f) there are four tickets to an A4 page

(g) the ticket will be perforated between the "stub" and the "ticket" to
allow for easy detachment

(h) Designing the ticket is not a problem.  But how do I ensure that the
numbers are printed sequentially in groups of two?

Is it possible to do this on LibreOffice?

I realise that it is possible to number each  ticket on a A4 page and then
print it but as it is looking like 150 tickets that looks like a lot of
work.

David
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Tom,

I was going to give you a hard time about some of the stuff you wrote, 
but to quote it was going to take more editing time than I have.


On 8/7/13 11:35 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing any 
Gnu&Linux distro.

> It's as though they had never actually tried either to compare&contrast.

You sound like the MS Office user who switches to LO and then complains 
it doesn't work the same.LOL


It's all in what you are familiar with.  I have no problems dealing with 
Windows installs, I'm used to them.  But you should have seen me with 
this Mac when I first got it.  I was expecting it to work like Windows. 
 Once I decided to learn how the Mac worked rather than assume it 
should/would work like Windows, I didn't have any problems.


But, as of now, I can't do crap with any Linux except run a Live CD.  So 
instead of complaining that it doesn't work like Windows or OS X, I'm 
going to go learn how it works first.



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Firefox 22.0
Thunderbird 17.0.7
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing Win7

[Robert Holtzman]

On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 06:35:48PM +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I'm just installing Win7 to a machine that already had WinXp working 
> sort-of-fine-ish.  One of the early screens said the process would involve 
> rebooting itself several times and i should ignore it and let it get on with 
> it.  
> 
> 
> Then it gave me a few choices which i had to click on.  I think i had to fill 
> in something too.  (ie so i couldn't just ignore it).  When it rebooted the 
> cd/dvd stayed in the drive.  Should i press "Any" key to get back to the 
> installer or not.  I chose to do so.  Opps, wrong.  Stupid user aren't i?  I 
> should have known that it kept the Cd/Dvd in the drive in order to not use 
> it.  Ooops, now it has told me to let it reboot again and ignore it.  Next 
> screen needs me to fill in something.  I begin to see a pattern forming here. 
>  It asks for a user-name and decides i probably want to call the machine the 
> same thing.  The next key seemed a bit sticky.  Suddenly i am passed the 
> passwords screen without having set a password.  No "Back" button.  
> 
> 
> It's taken half an hour which is not bad.  It's about the same as Ubuntu on 
> the same machine.  
> 
> 
> First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the 
> non-Admin local user.  2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all 
> the normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server. 
>  The installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but 
> i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself.  It's 
> just put me on a new workgroup called "WORKGROUP" because they have to shout. 
>  
> 
> 
> When i get to type in a domain it's already guessed i must want the domain to 
> have the same name as my laptop.  Guess i should go around and change all the 
> other machines to that instead of using the existing one.  
> 
> 
> If i want a different domain name i have to guess it or already know it.  
> There is no browsing to search for it.  i can't be nearly right and let it 
> give me the rest.  I have to be spot on.  It asks for a user&pass for the 
> domain and then gives a pop-up with a warning triangle to tell me i guessed 
> right.  It asks if i want to use the right guess or try again.  Now it asks 
> if i want to add a domain user to the local machine.  'Obviously' i made a 
> mistake so i cancel and find the mistake i made was clicking the button 
> "Network ID" instead of the button "Change".  Now it does guess the correct 
> domain.  Was that because i typed it in the other box or did it really find 
> out?  Still no browse button so if the guess was wrong i would have to know.  
> Oh, the "Ok" button is greyed out.  So although the text besides the "Ok" 
> button said i could change the domain this way it doesn't use that way to 
> confirm.  Going back to the "Network ID" button that
>  looked dodgy before i have to type the user&pass and domain name twice in 2 
> different boxes and domain can only be in capital letters despite the domain 
> name appearing everywhere else in a mix of upper and lower-case.  If i do add 
> a "domain user" at this point then allegedly they have full access to all the 
> files, folders and programs anywhere on the network.  I guess this is the new 
> improved security.  Now i am back at the "System Properties" box and "Apply" 
> is greyed out so is it going to forget what i filled in like it would for 
> changing the Virtual Memory?  
> 
> 
> Now starts my endless cycle of updates&reboots.  Oh, and i have to install 
> tons of programs rather than being given nice safe 3rd party ones that i 
> could use straight-away or swap out for my preferred ones.  These 
> updates&reboots don't make any effort to update drivers, codecs, libraries or 
> other programs.  It's just about the core OS.  Later i will go to MS.com and 
> find several critical security updates that weren't included in the 
> auto-updates
> 
> 
> When setting the Virtual Memory it told me there were 2 other hard-drives in 
> this laptop.  Of course using a separate physical hard-drive might be quite a 
> boost to performance if Virtual Memory ever gets used and reduces wear&tear.  
> Saves the read/write head bouncing between so many different areas of the 
> hard-drive.  Just in time i remember it's talking about separate partitions 
> on the same physical hard-drive.  They just call them hard-drives because 
> they think users are too dumb to understand the difference and need to be 
> saved from all this complexity.  
> 
> 
> 
> I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing 
> any Gnu&Linux distro.  It's as though they had never actually tried either to 
> compare&contrast.  

And the purpose of posting this to a libreofice list is.?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7

[Doug]

On 08/07/2013 03:22 PM, Luuk wrote:
> On 07-08-2013 19:35, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete 
>> the non-Admin local user.
> 
> Normally no 'non-Admin local user' is created.
> I think only 1 user is created, and this user is an 'Admin'.

A normal Windows setup would have the user (USER, in MS-ese) with
non-admin permissions, and you'd have to open admin permissions.
I don't remember how, but if you're going to get into the nuts
and bolts, you'd better obtain a book. Once you figure out how
to get to an admin terminal, you can put an icon on the desktop to
get to it again when you need it.
If it's setup right from the install, I seem to remember you can
have it start with the option of user or admin, with same or different
passwords. I don't know if you can do that once it's installed, but one
of the books may tell you.

The main problem is, to find out what you can do, and how to do it, from
a command line, since most of the literature--particularly that from
MS--tries to do everything from a GUI.
For programs or modifications that require Admin perms in the desktop
environment, normally the system will tell you to enter the password,
so you need to get that straightened out.
I have several Win 7 books, but the most useful, generally, I think, is
a QUE publication called "Windows 7 in Depth." $49.99. Maybe it's on
sale, now that Win 8 is out?
I also have Wiley's publication, "Windows 7 Bible," $39.95.
And I think you can download a list of commands for the terminal
interface.

Frankly, Windows is a PITA, but there are some things you can't do
otherwise.

--doug
> 
>> 2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the normal desktop 
>> users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server.  

The installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network
but i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself.

It's just put me on a new workgroup called "WORKGROUP" because they have
to shout.
> 
> hmm, if you have an Exchange server running, than you should know all 
> these thing.
> 
> ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7

[Luuk]

On 07-08-2013 19:35, Tom Davies wrote:

It's taken half an hour which is not bad.  It's about the same as Ubuntu on the 
same machine.


The worst comparison i've ever read.
Ubuntu is more and more a shitty copy of Windoooz

;)





First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the 
non-Admin local user.


Normally no 'non-Admin local user' is created.
I think only 1 user is created, and this user is an 'Admin'.


2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the normal desktop users can use the 
logins stored on the MS Exchange Server.  The installer did just ask if the machine is 
part of a company network but i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that 
set-up myself.  It's just put me on a new workgroup called "WORKGROUP" because 
they have to shout.


hmm, if you have an Exchange server running, than you should know all 
these thing.


;)




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Re: [libreoffice-users] HTML Source

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think the best html editors are simple text-editors.  If it can identify and 
colour-code the coding and perhaps a couple other tricks then fantastic.  

More than that is going to go wrong somewhere.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Regina Henschel 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013, 15:02
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HTML Source
> 
>
>Hi Andrew,
>
>Andrew schrieb:
>>
>> This link: https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/HTML_Source
>>
>> says:
>>
>> Displays the source text of the current HTML document. To view the HTML
>> source of a new document, you must first save the new document as an
>> HTML document.
>> Choose View - HTML Source
>> Open context menu in an HTML document
>> ~
>>
>> I followed these instructions precisely (although "context menu" is a
>> pretty vague phrase in this context).
>
>The sentence "Open context menu in an HTML document" should be deleted. 
>The item "HTML source" does not exist in context menu.
>
>>
>> This doesn't work.
>
>You need to be in Writer/Web. For a new document use File > New > HTML 
>document. For an existing document use the filter "Web pages".
>
>   So either the docs are incomplete, or just plain
>> wrong; I leave it to you folks to decide what semantics you prefer,
>> however in the meantime I'd appreciate some accurate instructions as to
>> how to actually view HTML source (and ideally edit it as well) .
>
>See above.
>
>LibreOffice is a bad HTML editor. You should not use it. It will make a 
>lot of changes to your markup, which you do not like. It is in the state 
>of HTML 4.0, was already bad that time, and is not maintained any longer.
>
>Kind regards
>Regina
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[libreoffice-users] Installing Win7

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I'm just installing Win7 to a machine that already had WinXp working 
sort-of-fine-ish.  One of the early screens said the process would involve 
rebooting itself several times and i should ignore it and let it get on with 
it.  


Then it gave me a few choices which i had to click on.  I think i had to fill 
in something too.  (ie so i couldn't just ignore it).  When it rebooted the 
cd/dvd stayed in the drive.  Should i press "Any" key to get back to the 
installer or not.  I chose to do so.  Opps, wrong.  Stupid user aren't i?  I 
should have known that it kept the Cd/Dvd in the drive in order to not use it.  
Ooops, now it has told me to let it reboot again and ignore it.  Next screen 
needs me to fill in something.  I begin to see a pattern forming here.  It asks 
for a user-name and decides i probably want to call the machine the same thing. 
 The next key seemed a bit sticky.  Suddenly i am passed the passwords screen 
without having set a password.  No "Back" button.  


It's taken half an hour which is not bad.  It's about the same as Ubuntu on the 
same machine.  


First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the 
non-Admin local user.  2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the 
normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server.  The 
installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but i'm not 
sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself.  It's just put me 
on a new workgroup called "WORKGROUP" because they have to shout.  


When i get to type in a domain it's already guessed i must want the domain to 
have the same name as my laptop.  Guess i should go around and change all the 
other machines to that instead of using the existing one.  


If i want a different domain name i have to guess it or already know it.  There 
is no browsing to search for it.  i can't be nearly right and let it give me 
the rest.  I have to be spot on.  It asks for a user&pass for the domain and 
then gives a pop-up with a warning triangle to tell me i guessed right.  It 
asks if i want to use the right guess or try again.  Now it asks if i want to 
add a domain user to the local machine.  'Obviously' i made a mistake so i 
cancel and find the mistake i made was clicking the button "Network ID" instead 
of the button "Change".  Now it does guess the correct domain.  Was that 
because i typed it in the other box or did it really find out?  Still no browse 
button so if the guess was wrong i would have to know.  Oh, the "Ok" button is 
greyed out.  So although the text besides the "Ok" button said i could change 
the domain this way it doesn't use that way to confirm.  Going back to the 
"Network ID" button that
 looked dodgy before i have to type the user&pass and domain name twice in 2 
different boxes and domain can only be in capital letters despite the domain 
name appearing everywhere else in a mix of upper and lower-case.  If i do add a 
"domain user" at this point then allegedly they have full access to all the 
files, folders and programs anywhere on the network.  I guess this is the new 
improved security.  Now i am back at the "System Properties" box and "Apply" is 
greyed out so is it going to forget what i filled in like it would for changing 
the Virtual Memory?  


Now starts my endless cycle of updates&reboots.  Oh, and i have to install tons 
of programs rather than being given nice safe 3rd party ones that i could use 
straight-away or swap out for my preferred ones.  These updates&reboots don't 
make any effort to update drivers, codecs, libraries or other programs.  It's 
just about the core OS.  Later i will go to MS.com and find several critical 
security updates that weren't included in the auto-updates


When setting the Virtual Memory it told me there were 2 other hard-drives in 
this laptop.  Of course using a separate physical hard-drive might be quite a 
boost to performance if Virtual Memory ever gets used and reduces wear&tear.  
Saves the read/write head bouncing between so many different areas of the 
hard-drive.  Just in time i remember it's talking about separate partitions on 
the same physical hard-drive.  They just call them hard-drives because they 
think users are too dumb to understand the difference and need to be saved from 
all this complexity.  



I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing any 
Gnu&Linux distro.  It's as though they had never actually tried either to 
compare&contrast.  


Regards from 

Tom :)  
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Tom]

Hi :)
Seems like they are trying to go for the prize of most pointlessly awkward
form based on just bad formatting options rather than anything sinister or
really clever.  

Step 1  From the web-page the file opened as "Read only" so i had to save it
locally to fill it in
Step 2  Adjust the font sizes and box sizes until they didn't look so bad
Step 3  Was clicking inside the box, then outside again, then inside (repeat
until laughing hopelessly or screaming) until at last the thing actually
lets you type instead of just being able to adjust the box.  Note this was
made easier by step 2 where i made the boxes big enough to type in.  

Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.odt

  

Every fortnight i have to fill in a stupid pointless form that doesn't
actually have any spaces for the information the people that designed the
form want to know about.  So i hand the form in and then they have to ask me
all the stuff they needed to know and, of course, completely ignore all the
stuff that i had filled in by doing as the form told me to!  

I'm sure there are awards for designing bad forms.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  



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[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Gilles]

Thanks Brian. After more fiddling, I figured how to enter edit mode and fill
that form. What a waste of time.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
and a little applause.  

If only that was more acceptable.  We are getting there though.  People around 
me are becoming more aware of the geekish
File - Save As
but outsiders still have trouble with that sort of thing
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Brian Barker 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 17:02
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?
> 
>
>At 07:28 07/08/2013 -0700, Gilles Noname wrote:
>>LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form:
>>http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx
>>
>>Apparently, it's filled with macros.  Does someone have an idea how 
>>to fill this?
>
>One solution: open it in Microsoft Word (apologies to those who see 
>these as dirty words!), save it as .doc instead of .docx, and open 
>that in LibreOffice (perhaps then saving that as .odt).  I'll send 
>you the result.  You may need to readjust the vertical spacing.
>
>While you are at it, you might want to explain to the originators:
>1) they ought not to be requiring their customers to have particular 
>proprietary software available,
>2) they could make life easier anyway by distributing as .doc instead 
>of .docx, and
>3) being in Northern Ireland (part of the UK), they should be 
>providing documents in the international standard A4 format, not the 
>Letter format used by a very few non-standard countries.
>
>I trust this helps.
>
>Brian Barker
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Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Brian Barker]

At 07:28 07/08/2013 -0700, Gilles Noname wrote:

LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form:
http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx

Apparently, it's filled with macros.  Does someone have an idea how 
to fill this?


One solution: open it in Microsoft Word (apologies to those who see 
these as dirty words!), save it as .doc instead of .docx, and open 
that in LibreOffice (perhaps then saving that as .odt).  I'll send 
you the result.  You may need to readjust the vertical spacing.


While you are at it, you might want to explain to the originators:
1) they ought not to be requiring their customers to have particular 
proprietary software available,
2) they could make life easier anyway by distributing as .doc instead 
of .docx, and
3) being in Northern Ireland (part of the UK), they should be 
providing documents in the international standard A4 format, not the 
Letter format used by a very few non-standard countries.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Doug]

On 08/07/2013 10:28 AM, Gilles wrote:
> Hello
> 
> LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form:
> 
> Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx
> http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx
> 
> Apparently, it's filled with macros.
> 
> Does someone have an idea how to fill this?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
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I filled it in using Textmaker from Softmaker 2012 (paid version)--in
PCLOS. LibreOffice is not all it's cracked up to be!

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[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Gilles]

Thanks Tink. I must then be missing something about how to actually fill a
form.

When I single-click on a field, I get the green squares around it.

When I double-click, the mouse turns into the vertical, blinking bar, but I
can't type anything, like it's write-protected.

When I hit F2 to edit, nothing happens.

As to why they didn't simply write an HTML online form...



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[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Tinkerer]

Using a Mac 10.8.4 and LibreOffice 4.1.0.4 it works perfectly for me.

Tink.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?

[Fernand Vanrie]

Jason ,

this links opens a pdf 


As far as I can tell, this website only (and I mean only) has two blog
posts about Java programming. No references, nor anything else that
seems useful. Perhaps the website has changed owner recently?

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fernand Vanrie  wrote:

Jason ,

on the website from Roberto Benitez  you
wil find what you are looking for !


This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set
the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic
script.

Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object)
  Dim FrmName as string
  FrmName = "Finalization - Data Entry"
  ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open()
End Sub

I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is
for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the "documentation" and there
is no apparent reference to ThisDatabaseDocument , FormDocuments ,
getByName , and etc. Surely there is a real API reference or some
trick I'm missing out there

Thanks
Jason White



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

Well, in the Disk utility, there is a gray area that is the ext4 
partition.  The small space left it split in half, top half and bottom 
half.  It sure reads like they are separate partitions, since they are 
both named using the "partition" word.  Extended partition and Swap 
Partition.  Unless they created the Extended partition and created a new 
partition within it, that is.


Still whether it is 11 GB or 22 GB of space, it still is either 87 GB 
for the OS folders or 76 GB [roughly].  76 to 87 GB is a lot more than 
your 10-15 GB you tell me is needed.  Sure, when I do a new/fresh 
install of a Ubuntu system on a drive, the OS file space takes up little 
of the disk.  BUT, and the "big-but" is what size do you need to have 
after a year or more?  I installed 12.04LTS a few days after it came 
out.  I did a clean install after backing up all my /home files.  Then I 
restored all my data/files and then started to install all of the 
packages I needed to install to run the system the way I like.


12.04 comes with Unity desktop environment.  I do not like it, so I 
install MATE.  Then, there are some packages that need some of the KDE 
files.  K3b and other packages and utilities I use are "default" package 
with KDE and seems to want some KDE system files installed.  2+ desktop 
environments can add space to the OS.  The "plus" is the KDE system 
files.  I use to install the FULL set of packages for KDE d.e. but 
decided that I did not need to do that when I did my 12.04LTS upgrade.  
I let the packages install whatever dependencies they needed.




On 08/07/2013 09:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
My guess is thatUbuntu created an 11Gb Extended Partition purely to put the 
11Gb Swap in.  Not quite sure why it did that but the installer tries to make 
sure your system stays reasonably flexible for the future
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 12:45
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed



Just to give you a "bloat alert".  My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS system, after all
of its updates and upgrades from the repository, and the fact that it
seems a lot of the older packages were left on the system, my OS folders
now total about 98-GB.

1,000 GB total
less 78.7 GB free space
less 823.5 GB in the /home folder and sub-folders
making all of the other folders in the "filesystem" totaling 97.8 GB for
the OS.

This OS figure also includes the 11 GB swap and a 11 GB extended
partition [for what Ubuntu uses it for I do not know, but it created it].

So take away the 22 GB of partitions outside of that main partition, you get
75.8 GB of OS file space for 12.04LTS plus the two partitions it needs
to run.

If I used a 10-15 GB for the OS, I would be sunk.

I do not separate the /home into its own partition, since all of the
docs and "help" seems to confuse me on how to set up all of the
different partitions during the install process.  In a few months, I
hope to replace that 1 TB drive with a 2 TB one.  I planned on creating
a 500 GB partition for the OS file system including the OS, /home, and
the needed swap and other partition[s] needed.  The rest of the drive,
1.5 TB, will be used as a separate data "drive" so I can have a smaller
/home folder size and keep everything not actively worked on out of the
/home folder.

Also, I have taken a 2 TB internal drive and used it for the first stage
backup, or internal backup, of the essential /home folder files, like
the "hidden dot folders" and things like my photo folder that contains
sub-folders by year and then month of all my digital photo since Sept.
2005 - when I bought my first digital camera.  I have a whole box of
photos needing to be scanned in from the early 70's to then, that I will
"one day" get around to scanning an archiving.

Unfortunately, I have more internal drive space than external drive
backup space.  So I need to start buying more of those drives to back up
my system.  It does help that most of my 2nd 2-TB drive is used as an
internal backup, so it currently does not need external a separate
external backup.  But I do have one 1-TB and two 2-TB drives, currently,
and later at least 6-TB [maybe 7, 8, or more] internal storage to be
backed up externally.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

Yes, there are a lot of people who can give others "proof" of what their 
system can do.  Either by an active demonstration or via benchmark 
packages.


I love doing active presentations to non-believers.

I have taken and proved that LO can do things that I claim, by bringing 
my laptop[s] to these people and run LO through some tests.  Then I hand 
them a USB drive and ask them to place some "sample" documents they use 
on a daily/weakly basis and then open them up with LO and show them that 
"yes" LO can work with your files "easily".


I once had them click on their Word icon on their multi-core Windows 
desktop and the same time as I click on the LO icon on my Windows boot 
partition of my Windows/Ubuntu dual booting laptop[s].  Now that we have 
Win7 as the "new standard" for business computers, I can use either my 
Win7 Home Premium laptop or my Win7 Professional one.  Both are dual 
core laptops, but the "Professional" install is on the slower system.  
One day I will take the "Home" laptop and make it "Professional" to 
solve some "back port" issues where "Home" might not allow certain XP 
and Vista era packages to be installed while "Professional" has not 
problem installing those packages.


So having a live demonstration on what LO can do and how fast it can do 
those things is a good "marketing tool".


Having a "benchmark" style of information sheet tends to make many 
manager's eyes "cloud over and ears stop hearing you" as you discuss the 
benchmark results.


Yes, there can be some "guesswork" for some things, and some subjective 
issues, but it does not mean that those "guesses" are wrong.


The seconds count or timed with a stopwatch is not very accurate if it 
is the difference of a second plus/minus.  But most people can not tell 
the difference between 3 and 4 seconds, or 3.4 and 4.1 seconds.  We are 
not built that way, or most of us are not build that way.




On 08/07/2013 08:05 AM, Sina Momken wrote:

On 08/07/2013 03:05 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

YES my point exactly

Unless we do such a large data gathering project taking into account all
of the different options, EVERYTHING is just guesswork or personally
view performance.

They are more than some guesswork which I may say from myself. They are
not only my opinions. Actually I could prove my claims to some degree
using some simple experiments.
Yeah, my experiments were not comprehensive enough to certainly conclude
from, but they can prove my claims with good probability (at least in my
case).
Proving by experimentation is not like in the math which can 100%
confirm a lemma. One must limit his experiments based on his time and
efforts; We can not put a ball down to ground on each planet to test the
gravity theory of Newton!
All what I want to say is that I believe based on my (not comprehensive)
experiments, my claims about LO performance is more than just a
GUESSWORK or OPINION!

Regards


Some faster systems, for whatever reasons, load and run LO slower than
the "slower CPU" called slower due to number of cores or the speed at
which it is running at.

So all it opinion until someone decides to "prove" those opinions and
results on an individual basis.



On 08/06/2013 10:09 PM, Sina Momken wrote:

On 08/07/2013 05:43 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I would expect that .doc would load slower in Writer and .odt would load
slower in Word.

The question really is how well does Writer load both.  How well it load
the 10 page documents vs. the 50 page ones.  Both with the same average
number of graphics per page.

Then look at the simple 20 or 50 page documents vs. the very complex
ones.

Get an over all load times for the same documents on Writer and Word on
various Windows systems and various version of Windows [Win7 - Home/H.
Premium/Professional - 64-bit and 32-bit.  Vista versions in both 32 and
64 bit.]  Then look into the same documents with Writer run on some of
the different version of Linux [32-bit and 64-bit OS] such as Ubuntu,
Fedora, Mint, Mageia, Arch, etc., etc..

Then with all that data make a chart and add to it every time someone
tries the "standard" documents on different systems and specifications.

Then we would have a chart that will tell us how much different systems
and specifications effect the load and run speeds of LO, Writer
specifically, and Word specifically.

Does more RAM or more CPU power influence it most.  How does 4.0.4 vs
4.1.0 compare on the same system/specs.  How much faster a 64-bit
install is over the same distro's 32-bit version.

What you're requesting here is an exact benchmark with will take so much
time and effort. Besides different file formats, size and heaviness of
the file, different OSes and different HW Architectures, the exact
conditions of the system during experiment (like the software and
processes running in the background, etc.) and the number of repetitions
for each experiment must also be specified. Ideally no other excessive
processes must be run 

[libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?

[Gilles]

Hello

LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form:

Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx
http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx

Apparently, it's filled with macros.

Does someone have an idea how to fill this?

Thank you.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Werner F. Bruhin]

On 07/08/2013 15:18, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
My guess is thatUbuntu created an 11Gb Extended Partition purely to put the 
11Gb Swap in.  Not quite sure why it did that but the installer tries to make 
sure your system stays reasonably flexible for the future
Swap is just about on all systems in a separate partition and it is a 
very good idea to have that on a separate physical drive for performance 
reasons.


In *nix systems the type of file system (not every distro has the same 
"preferred" file system for the same type of file types) you use can 
also have drastic performance differences and it also depends what you 
put on that file systems, e.g. lots of document type files are not the 
same then e.g. a database data folder etc etc.


Werner


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
My guess is thatUbuntu created an 11Gb Extended Partition purely to put the 
11Gb Swap in.  Not quite sure why it did that but the installer tries to make 
sure your system stays reasonably flexible for the future
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 12:45
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
> 
>
>
>Just to give you a "bloat alert".  My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS system, after all 
>of its updates and upgrades from the repository, and the fact that it 
>seems a lot of the older packages were left on the system, my OS folders 
>now total about 98-GB.
>
>1,000 GB total
>less 78.7 GB free space
>less 823.5 GB in the /home folder and sub-folders
>making all of the other folders in the "filesystem" totaling 97.8 GB for 
>the OS.
>
>This OS figure also includes the 11 GB swap and a 11 GB extended 
>partition [for what Ubuntu uses it for I do not know, but it created it].
>
>So take away the 22 GB of partitions outside of that main partition, you get
>75.8 GB of OS file space for 12.04LTS plus the two partitions it needs 
>to run.
>
>If I used a 10-15 GB for the OS, I would be sunk.
>
>I do not separate the /home into its own partition, since all of the 
>docs and "help" seems to confuse me on how to set up all of the 
>different partitions during the install process.  In a few months, I 
>hope to replace that 1 TB drive with a 2 TB one.  I planned on creating 
>a 500 GB partition for the OS file system including the OS, /home, and 
>the needed swap and other partition[s] needed.  The rest of the drive, 
>1.5 TB, will be used as a separate data "drive" so I can have a smaller 
>/home folder size and keep everything not actively worked on out of the 
>/home folder.
>
>Also, I have taken a 2 TB internal drive and used it for the first stage 
>backup, or internal backup, of the essential /home folder files, like 
>the "hidden dot folders" and things like my photo folder that contains 
>sub-folders by year and then month of all my digital photo since Sept. 
>2005 - when I bought my first digital camera.  I have a whole box of 
>photos needing to be scanned in from the early 70's to then, that I will 
>"one day" get around to scanning an archiving.
>
>Unfortunately, I have more internal drive space than external drive 
>backup space.  So I need to start buying more of those drives to back up 
>my system.  It does help that most of my 2nd 2-TB drive is used as an 
>internal backup, so it currently does not need external a separate 
>external backup.  But I do have one 1-TB and two 2-TB drives, currently, 
>and later at least 6-TB [maybe 7, 8, or more] internal storage to be 
>backed up externally.
>
>
>On 08/07/2013 04:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> I tend to make / around 10-15Gb now for Ubuntu.  100Mb is about enough for a 
>> separate /boot partiiton but not enough for the / of most distros, 
>> especially not for the most bloated distro of all.  I've found that even 8Gb 
>> gets in trouble quite quickly unless you are quite good at doing maintenance 
>> such as using the Janitor fairly often.
>>
>> You don't get much of a performance boost by having a separate /home unless 
>> that /home is on a physically separate drive but it does make he system more 
>> robust and safer to upgrade.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> 
>>> From: Andrew Brown 
>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 8:19
>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
>>>
>>>
>>> Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it
>>> creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and
>>> then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here,
>>> create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to
>>> /home, keeping my data separate.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Andrew Brown
>>>
>>> On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote:
 On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible 
> to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it 
> version.  I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu.  It doesn't 
> really need all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated 
> distro at the moment.  Having plenty of space makes it easier when 
> installing programs.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
 I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly
 32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on
 the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to
 go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically,
 it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external
 storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a com

[libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Sina Momken]

On 08/07/2013 03:05 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> 
> YES my point exactly
> 
> Unless we do such a large data gathering project taking into account all
> of the different options, EVERYTHING is just guesswork or personally
> view performance.
They are more than some guesswork which I may say from myself. They are
not only my opinions. Actually I could prove my claims to some degree
using some simple experiments.
Yeah, my experiments were not comprehensive enough to certainly conclude
from, but they can prove my claims with good probability (at least in my
case).
Proving by experimentation is not like in the math which can 100%
confirm a lemma. One must limit his experiments based on his time and
efforts; We can not put a ball down to ground on each planet to test the
gravity theory of Newton!
All what I want to say is that I believe based on my (not comprehensive)
experiments, my claims about LO performance is more than just a
GUESSWORK or OPINION!

Regards

> 
> Some faster systems, for whatever reasons, load and run LO slower than
> the "slower CPU" called slower due to number of cores or the speed at
> which it is running at.
> 
> So all it opinion until someone decides to "prove" those opinions and
> results on an individual basis.
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/06/2013 10:09 PM, Sina Momken wrote:
>> On 08/07/2013 05:43 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
>>> I would expect that .doc would load slower in Writer and .odt would load
>>> slower in Word.
>>>
>>> The question really is how well does Writer load both.  How well it load
>>> the 10 page documents vs. the 50 page ones.  Both with the same average
>>> number of graphics per page.
>>>
>>> Then look at the simple 20 or 50 page documents vs. the very complex
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> Get an over all load times for the same documents on Writer and Word on
>>> various Windows systems and various version of Windows [Win7 - Home/H.
>>> Premium/Professional - 64-bit and 32-bit.  Vista versions in both 32 and
>>> 64 bit.]  Then look into the same documents with Writer run on some of
>>> the different version of Linux [32-bit and 64-bit OS] such as Ubuntu,
>>> Fedora, Mint, Mageia, Arch, etc., etc..
>>>
>>> Then with all that data make a chart and add to it every time someone
>>> tries the "standard" documents on different systems and specifications.
>>>
>>> Then we would have a chart that will tell us how much different systems
>>> and specifications effect the load and run speeds of LO, Writer
>>> specifically, and Word specifically.
>>>
>>> Does more RAM or more CPU power influence it most.  How does 4.0.4 vs
>>> 4.1.0 compare on the same system/specs.  How much faster a 64-bit
>>> install is over the same distro's 32-bit version.
>> What you're requesting here is an exact benchmark with will take so much
>> time and effort. Besides different file formats, size and heaviness of
>> the file, different OSes and different HW Architectures, the exact
>> conditions of the system during experiment (like the software and
>> processes running in the background, etc.) and the number of repetitions
>> for each experiment must also be specified. Ideally no other excessive
>> processes must be run and each experiment must run more than 10 times.
>> It's accurate to write a test program to automatically test these
>> factors with any repetition desired.
>>
>> But doing all these is a major job and takes much time and effort. If
>> I'd done this before, I've published this on my website or other major
>> website, not on this mailing list which doesn't have many visitors.
>>
>> I only wanted to show you a rule of thumb about LO Writer dealing with
>> heavy files.
>>
>>> Without these types of data charted, we could just say what we "think"
>>> is true or want works better for you.
>>>
>>> To be honest, when I was using it and it worked well, my AMD64 CPU
>>> laptop worked better than my Intel dual core laptop.  When I asked why
>>> my older slower AMD laptop worked faster creating the .iso file using
>>> DeVeDe .avi/.mp4 file to DVD-movie disc conversion tool, I was told that
>>> the faster dual core laptop was not powerful enough to do the work even
>>> though my older slower AMD64 laptop could do it just fine.
>>>
>>> So, no matter how I think it should not be true, sometimes newer faster
>>> systems that we think is more powerful and faster might now be a good as
>>> we think and the older slower less powerful systems might actually work
>>> better at some job or package.  Slower single core laptop working better
>>> than a faster speed dual core laptop, does not make sense, but in
>>> practice it works that way.
>> I doesn't say that. Actually I exactly said opposite of that. I have a
>> single core pentium4 @2.8GHz desktop which runs LO Writer faster than my
>> dual core core2due @2.2GHz laptop. Maybe power of both cores of my
>> laptop be more than power of cpu of my desktop, but power of a single
>> core of my laptop is surely less than power of a single core of my
>

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?

[Don Myers]

Hi,

When I have a database open in form view, there is a block where I can 
select a specific record number in the bottom left of the screen


Don


On 08/07/2013 05:30 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 06/08/13 15:23, Jason White a écrit :

Hi Jason,



This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set
the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic
script.

Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object)
 Dim FrmName as string
 FrmName = "Finalization - Data Entry"
 ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open()
End Sub

I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is
for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the "documentation" and there


Try here :
http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/module-ix.html

http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/ResultSet.html

http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/XRowLocate.html

You might need to get/set the cursor or a "bookmark" for the
resultset/rowset.


Alex







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

Just to give you a "bloat alert".  My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS system, after all 
of its updates and upgrades from the repository, and the fact that it 
seems a lot of the older packages were left on the system, my OS folders 
now total about 98-GB.


1,000 GB total
less 78.7 GB free space
less 823.5 GB in the /home folder and sub-folders
making all of the other folders in the "filesystem" totaling 97.8 GB for 
the OS.


This OS figure also includes the 11 GB swap and a 11 GB extended 
partition [for what Ubuntu uses it for I do not know, but it created it].


So take away the 22 GB of partitions outside of that main partition, you get
75.8 GB of OS file space for 12.04LTS plus the two partitions it needs 
to run.


If I used a 10-15 GB for the OS, I would be sunk.

I do not separate the /home into its own partition, since all of the 
docs and "help" seems to confuse me on how to set up all of the 
different partitions during the install process.  In a few months, I 
hope to replace that 1 TB drive with a 2 TB one.  I planned on creating 
a 500 GB partition for the OS file system including the OS, /home, and 
the needed swap and other partition[s] needed.  The rest of the drive, 
1.5 TB, will be used as a separate data "drive" so I can have a smaller 
/home folder size and keep everything not actively worked on out of the 
/home folder.


Also, I have taken a 2 TB internal drive and used it for the first stage 
backup, or internal backup, of the essential /home folder files, like 
the "hidden dot folders" and things like my photo folder that contains 
sub-folders by year and then month of all my digital photo since Sept. 
2005 - when I bought my first digital camera.  I have a whole box of 
photos needing to be scanned in from the early 70's to then, that I will 
"one day" get around to scanning an archiving.


Unfortunately, I have more internal drive space than external drive 
backup space.  So I need to start buying more of those drives to back up 
my system.  It does help that most of my 2nd 2-TB drive is used as an 
internal backup, so it currently does not need external a separate 
external backup.  But I do have one 1-TB and two 2-TB drives, currently, 
and later at least 6-TB [maybe 7, 8, or more] internal storage to be 
backed up externally.



On 08/07/2013 04:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I tend to make / around 10-15Gb now for Ubuntu.  100Mb is about enough for a 
separate /boot partiiton but not enough for the / of most distros, especially 
not for the most bloated distro of all.  I've found that even 8Gb gets in 
trouble quite quickly unless you are quite good at doing maintenance such as 
using the Janitor fairly often.

You don't get much of a performance boost by having a separate /home unless 
that /home is on a physically separate drive but it does make he system more 
robust and safer to upgrade.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Andrew Brown 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 8:19
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed


Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it
creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and
then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here,
create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to
/home, keeping my data separate.

Regards

Andrew Brown

On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote:

On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to 
install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version.  I 
tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu.  It doesn't really need all 
that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment.  
Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs.
Regards from
Tom :)



I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly
32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on
the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to
go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically,
it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external
storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely
new install.

You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using
gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it /
Then when you install the 64-bit version, DO NOT format /home,
only / (Your distro may or may not make it mandatory to reformat /
during the install, even tho you formatted it already.)

Be careful when you install the 64-bit os, so as to NOT make a new
/home. Note that you probably already have a swap partition, so
don't make another one. Any and all Linux os's on the disk can use
the one swap.

It has been quite a while since I did an Ubuntu install, so I can't
be more specific. And I don't think I would try this with Korora--
its inst

[libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

YES my point exactly

Unless we do such a large data gathering project taking into account all 
of the different options, EVERYTHING is just guesswork or personally 
view performance.


Some faster systems, for whatever reasons, load and run LO slower than 
the "slower CPU" called slower due to number of cores or the speed at 
which it is running at.


So all it opinion until someone decides to "prove" those opinions and 
results on an individual basis.




On 08/06/2013 10:09 PM, Sina Momken wrote:

On 08/07/2013 05:43 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I would expect that .doc would load slower in Writer and .odt would load
slower in Word.

The question really is how well does Writer load both.  How well it load
the 10 page documents vs. the 50 page ones.  Both with the same average
number of graphics per page.

Then look at the simple 20 or 50 page documents vs. the very complex ones.

Get an over all load times for the same documents on Writer and Word on
various Windows systems and various version of Windows [Win7 - Home/H.
Premium/Professional - 64-bit and 32-bit.  Vista versions in both 32 and
64 bit.]  Then look into the same documents with Writer run on some of
the different version of Linux [32-bit and 64-bit OS] such as Ubuntu,
Fedora, Mint, Mageia, Arch, etc., etc..

Then with all that data make a chart and add to it every time someone
tries the "standard" documents on different systems and specifications.

Then we would have a chart that will tell us how much different systems
and specifications effect the load and run speeds of LO, Writer
specifically, and Word specifically.

Does more RAM or more CPU power influence it most.  How does 4.0.4 vs
4.1.0 compare on the same system/specs.  How much faster a 64-bit
install is over the same distro's 32-bit version.

What you're requesting here is an exact benchmark with will take so much
time and effort. Besides different file formats, size and heaviness of
the file, different OSes and different HW Architectures, the exact
conditions of the system during experiment (like the software and
processes running in the background, etc.) and the number of repetitions
for each experiment must also be specified. Ideally no other excessive
processes must be run and each experiment must run more than 10 times.
It's accurate to write a test program to automatically test these
factors with any repetition desired.

But doing all these is a major job and takes much time and effort. If
I'd done this before, I've published this on my website or other major
website, not on this mailing list which doesn't have many visitors.

I only wanted to show you a rule of thumb about LO Writer dealing with
heavy files.


Without these types of data charted, we could just say what we "think"
is true or want works better for you.

To be honest, when I was using it and it worked well, my AMD64 CPU
laptop worked better than my Intel dual core laptop.  When I asked why
my older slower AMD laptop worked faster creating the .iso file using
DeVeDe .avi/.mp4 file to DVD-movie disc conversion tool, I was told that
the faster dual core laptop was not powerful enough to do the work even
though my older slower AMD64 laptop could do it just fine.

So, no matter how I think it should not be true, sometimes newer faster
systems that we think is more powerful and faster might now be a good as
we think and the older slower less powerful systems might actually work
better at some job or package.  Slower single core laptop working better
than a faster speed dual core laptop, does not make sense, but in
practice it works that way.

I doesn't say that. Actually I exactly said opposite of that. I have a
single core pentium4 @2.8GHz desktop which runs LO Writer faster than my
dual core core2due @2.2GHz laptop. Maybe power of both cores of my
laptop be more than power of cpu of my desktop, but power of a single
core of my laptop is surely less than power of a single core of my
desktop and because LO only uses 1 core, my older desktop PC wins.


So, maybe someone should collect some data and let us know how it worked
out.  Maybe we could be surprised on what we find.

Making a precise benchmark is always a valuable and highly regarded
work, can practically assess a software and help to make it better.


I sure was running DeVeDe on 2 different laptops, both as XP/Vista and
Ubuntu 10.04/ U. 10.04 systems.


Regards,
Sina Momken


On 08/06/2013 06:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Brilliant.  Larger file-size is a better test and some of those
comparisons were really interesting.  So.doc loads and saves much more
slowly.

I dont know how they do it but the docs team write each chapter of the
guides separately and then combine them into 1 book at the end.
Master documents perhaps?
Regards from
Tom :)







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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: Tom Davies ; Kracked_P_P---webmaster
; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 22:41

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
One of the drop-downs sets the status as "Feature Request" so it probably does 
get filed slightly differently from a regular bug-report
Regards from 

Tom :)  






>
> From: RamonTavarez 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 11:06
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters 
>and other symbols
> 
>
>Hi.
>
>I´ll report it there, but Isn´t it a bug´s reporting page?
>
>These feature don´t exist.  It really isn´t a bug!
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>*Ramón E. Tavárez B.*
>
>
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>> wrote:
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>> > Hi.
>> >
>> > It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a
>> section
>> > for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols.
>> >
>> > Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs.
>> >
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols

[RamonTavarez]

Hi.

I´ll report it there, but Isn´t it a bug´s reporting psge?

These feature doesn´t exisit.  It really isn´t a bug!

Thanks.


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> section
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> >
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> >
> > Regards.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Default Date Format in Libreoffice Calc

[Harshad Italiya]

Hi Alex,
I have just changed my Local Date format and now it's working OK.

Thanks Alex. :)

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Alexander Thurgood
wrote:

> Le 07/08/13 10:56, Harshad Italiya a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> > Is there any way so I can set DD/MM/ default so whenever I go for
> > editing it will show me 30/05/2013 not 05/30/2013 ?
> >
>
> 1) What is your system locale set to ?
> 2) What is your LO locale set to ?
> 3) Which lang-pack (if any) are you using ?
>
>
> Alex
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Default Date Format in Libreoffice Calc

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 07/08/13 10:56, Harshad Italiya a écrit :

Hi,

> Is there any way so I can set DD/MM/ default so whenever I go for
> editing it will show me 30/05/2013 not 05/30/2013 ?
> 

1) What is your system locale set to ?
2) What is your LO locale set to ?
3) Which lang-pack (if any) are you using ?


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: What's needed for reading and writing an excel o spreedsheet file from Java

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 06/08/13 16:08, Edwin F. López A. a écrit :

Hi,

> I saw the examples of libre office for openning an Excel file, and was
> wondering what is required to create a java application that uses
> LibreOffice UNO runtime for such a task. That is, use LibreOffice for

You need a running instance of LO (which can be invisible to the user)
that accepts connections.


> openning and manipulate Excel files from within a Java application (like in
> the examples: http://api.libreoffice.org/examples/java/ToDo/ToDo.java).

LO converts an XLSX file (via a filter) to data structures that the ODF
parser understands and stores the data structures in memory. The larger
the Excel file, the longer it takes to parse those structures and
manipulate them in RAM. You may find that this solution doesn't scale
well for you either on large files such as the ones you are envisaging.
I don't use LO enough with large files in this way to say.

Your best chance of getting a more comprehensive answer would be to ask
your question on the libreoffice developer list, or look out for Markus
Mohrhard, Eike Rathke or Kohei on the libreoffice developer IRC, they're
the main LO Calc experts.


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?

[Marion & Noel Lodge]

Hi Jason,

You might be able to adapt this Sub for your needs: -

Sub FindRecord(iTargetID AS Integer)
Dim oColumn  AS Object
Dim iColumnValue  AS Integer
Dim iRowAS Integer
Dim rs AS Object
Dim sTargetIDAS String

 rs = goFormTransHeader.createResultSet()
 if rs.absolute(iTargetID) = false then  ' Check if rs is past end of
Table
 rs.Previous()
  End if

 Do
 oColumn = rs.Columns.getByName("TransHeaderID")
iColumnValue = rs.getInt(1)
iRow = rs.Row
if iColumnValue = iTargetID then
goFormTransHeader.absolute(iRow)
Exit Sub
else
if iColumnValue < iTargetID then
sTargetID = iTargetID
MsgBox("Record " + sTargetID + " not found",0,"ERROR")
Exit Sub
End if
End if
Loop While rs.Previous()
End Sub

Notes:-
1.  TargetID is the key value for the record I want to display on the Form
2.  goFormTransHeader is my global variable for the Form
3.  TransHeaderID is the key field of my Table.  (Integer, auto increment)
4.  I have relatively few deletions from the Table so TransHeaderID is
fairly
 close to the required row number.  Thus a number of rs.Previous()
cycles
 is usually all I need.  In your case if that is too slow, you might
need to
 consider doing a binary search.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Noel
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On 7 August 2013 05:57, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Yes, sorry for all the Rtfm answers!  Prolly is best to ask on devs lists
> as they might have more idea of what you are doing.  There are a few here
> that seemed to understand but it was all waaay beyond me.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Jason White 
> >To: and...@pitonyak.org
> >Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 16:43
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form
> to a particular record number?
> >
> >
> >Well, thank you everyone for all the references. I've figured out the
> >I am doing things backwards, I have the tool Xray, and the 1500 page
> >introductory developers guide. Clearly this is a question for one of
> >the core developers (if its not documented in the developers guide)
> >
> >On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/5/50/BH40-BaseHandbook.odt
> >> http://www.baseprogramming.com/OOBasicDatabaseDev.pdf
> >>
> >> http://www.pitonyak.org/database/
> >> http://www.pitonyak.org/database/AndrewBase.odt
> >> http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
> >>
> >> These links just provide some ideas of other places to look
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Database/Using_DBMS_Features
> >>
> http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbc/TransactionIsolation.html
> >>
> >> On 08/06/2013 09:23 AM, Jason White wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set
> >>> the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic
> >>> script.
> >>>
> >>> Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object)
> >>>  Dim FrmName as string
> >>>  FrmName = "Finalization - Data Entry"
> >>>  ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open()
> >>> End Sub
> >>>
> >>> I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is
> >>> for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the "documentation" and there
> >>> is no apparent reference to ThisDatabaseDocument , FormDocuments ,
> >>> getByName , and etc. Surely there is a real API reference or some
> >>> trick I'm missing out there
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Jason White
> >>>
> >>
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> >>
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[libreoffice-users] Sorry (was: help)

[Nino Novak]

my request went to the wrong list :--(

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 06/08/13 15:23, Jason White a écrit :

Hi Jason,


> This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set
> the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic
> script.
> 
> Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object)
> Dim FrmName as string
> FrmName = "Finalization - Data Entry"
> ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open()
> End Sub
> 
> I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is
> for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the "documentation" and there


Try here :
http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/module-ix.html

http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/ResultSet.html

http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/XRowLocate.html

You might need to get/set the cursor or a "bookmark" for the
resultset/rowset.


Alex





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[libreoffice-users] Default Date Format in Libreoffice Calc

[Harshad Italiya]

Hi,

I am using LibreOffice Calc 3.6.2.2. When I enter Date as 30/05/2013 in
column it displays it according to the format I have selected for CELL. Now
when I go for edit this column I can see it is changing this DD/MM/
format in which I have entered data to MM/DD/ automatically.

Is there any way so I can set DD/MM/ default so whenever I go for
editing it will show me 30/05/2013 not 05/30/2013 ?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I tend to make / around 10-15Gb now for Ubuntu.  100Mb is about enough for a 
separate /boot partiiton but not enough for the / of most distros, especially 
not for the most bloated distro of all.  I've found that even 8Gb gets in 
trouble quite quickly unless you are quite good at doing maintenance such as 
using the Janitor fairly often.  

You don't get much of a performance boost by having a separate /home unless 
that /home is on a physically separate drive but it does make he system more 
robust and safer to upgrade.
Regards from
Tom :)





>
> From: Andrew Brown 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 8:19
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
> 
>
>Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it 
>creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and 
>then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here, 
>create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to 
>/home, keeping my data separate.
>
>Regards
>
>Andrew Brown
>
>On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote:
>> On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to 
>>> install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version.  
>>> I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu.  It doesn't really need 
>>> all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the 
>>> moment.  Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>> I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly
>> 32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on
>> the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to
>> go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically,
>> it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external
>> storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely
>> new install.
>>
>> You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using
>> gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it /
>> Then when you install the 64-bit version, DO NOT format /home,
>> only / (Your distro may or may not make it mandatory to reformat /
>> during the install, even tho you formatted it already.)
>>
>> Be careful when you install the 64-bit os, so as to NOT make a new
>> /home. Note that you probably already have a swap partition, so
>> don't make another one. Any and all Linux os's on the disk can use
>> the one swap.
>>
>> It has been quite a while since I did an Ubuntu install, so I can't
>> be more specific. And I don't think I would try this with Korora--
>> its installation would drive a saint crazy! (Just to get it onto
>> two partitions is maddening!)
>>
>> Good luck--doug
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols

[Thomas Taylor]

On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
RamonTavarez  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section
> for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols.
> 
> Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs.
> 
> Regards.
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+1

Tomk

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed

[Andrew Brown]

Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it 
creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and 
then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here, 
create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to 
/home, keeping my data separate.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote:

On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to 
install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version.  I 
tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu.  It doesn't really need all 
that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment.  
Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs.
Regards from
Tom :)



I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly
32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on
the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to
go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically,
it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external
storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely
new install.

You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using
gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it /
Then when you install the 64-bit version, DO NOT format /home,
only / (Your distro may or may not make it mandatory to reformat /
during the install, even tho you formatted it already.)

Be careful when you install the 64-bit os, so as to NOT make a new
/home. Note that you probably already have a swap partition, so
don't make another one. Any and all Linux os's on the disk can use
the one swap.

It has been quite a while since I did an Ubuntu install, so I can't
be more specific. And I don't think I would try this with Korora--
its installation would drive a saint crazy! (Just to get it onto
two partitions is maddening!)

Good luck--doug






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