Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
On 03-06-2011 21:31, PLO wrote: Hello Luuk, On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:22:36 +0200 (your time) you said: Please feel free to email me off list if you want to [...snip...] no, but thanks, i'm not really interested in a discussion about email clients, because they should simply do what u users expects from them. Actually, Luuk, I didn't invite you to email off list; Oops, did i do someting wrong? My apologies... ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
On 03-06-2011 00:35, PLO wrote: Hello Larry, On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:07:37 -0600 (your time) you said: But, as you pointed out, it does not recognize two sig delimiters in a message. Actually, I'm afraid you misread something because I didn't point that out. I pointed out that the list appended a cutline to the end of the message. The Bat! behaves as you would expect a proper, well developed email client The Bat behave as YOU would like it to behave to behave and recognises the last signature delimiter in the message as the signature boundary; that's exactly where it should be! The fact that Thunderbird behaves differently in this respect doesn't translate to Thunderbird behave like I (and some others ;) would like it to behave 'Thunderbird is a superior email client'. On the contrary in fact. I'm not questioning superiority ;) Furthermore, the issue wasn't about whose client was better than the other, heaven's above, and it really isn't about that now either...and my email client isn't defective because it does what it is supposed to! The real point is that the list subscription information that is appended to messages does not constitute a signature, and so should therefore not be appended to messages preceded by a cutline. A simple series of dashes or an continuous underscore above the list information to separate it would suffice and wouldn't interfere with the author's signature. As I said, not the end of the world but... i googled a bit, and found: http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/signatur.html The question of a proper signature can cause perhaps more arguments than any other single netiquette issue (besides spam). Superficially, and technically the main issues would seem clear: * No more than *four* lines. Occasionally called the 4-line McQuary limit. * Use -- as the beginning marker. Unfortunatly there is nothing about having two signatures in one mailmessage... Please feel free to email me off list if you want to further discuss email clients, but I don't think a Thunderbird vs The Bat! and everything else is what this topic is about. Well, I certainly didn't intend it to be about that. no, but thanks, i'm not really interested in a discussion about email clients, because they should simply do what u users expects from them. All the best thanks... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
Hello Luuk, On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:22:36 +0200 (your time) you said: Please feel free to email me off list if you want to [...snip...] no, but thanks, i'm not really interested in a discussion about email clients, because they should simply do what u users expects from them. Actually, Luuk, I didn't invite you to email off list; the reply was to Larry, and I was just being polite ;-). IOW, I'm not at all interested in _any_ debate about whose email client is the 'greatest'. Couldn't care less! The fact remains that the appended list information isn't a signature...it therefore shouldn't be preceded by a signature delimiter (cutline). -- Si (PLO) #12317. Do How Wing Erse? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
On 2011-06-03 3:31 PM, PLO wrote: The fact remains that the appended list information isn't a signature...it therefore shouldn't be preceded by a signature delimiter (cutline). It has already been explained to you why it is there... Many, many people do NOT use a signature delimiter in their signature - this is placed there to make SURE it is treated as a signature (ie, NOT included in quoted text in replies)... It isn't hard to understand this. Fix your client (so it doesn't ignore multiple sig delimiters), switch clients, or live with it. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
Hello Tanstaafl, On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:30:10 -0400 (your time) you said: It has already been [...snip...] Nope... Many, many people do NOT use [...snip...] Still nope... It isn't [...snip...] Still nope... Fix your client [...snip...] And nope! Man alive, and there was me hoping that something useful was coming, but nope, you actually managed to say absolutely nothing constructive whatsoever! Well done! You obviously have a skill there. The fact remains, the list information is not a signature. A cutline doesn't therefore need to precede it. Further, it is evident from replies to this list that adding it before the list info does not prevent people who don't use a sig delimiter from including sigs in there replies. So it's a nonsense argument. And finally, in reply to your 'response', you obviously didn't read the thread because I already stated that it wasn't the end of the world or anything: 891204401.20110602211...@mail.inboxshield.co.uk 923140805.20110602233...@mail.inboxshield.co.uk So, whatever gets you off! BTW. Perhaps we could mutually blacklist each other because I am not at all interested in reading your reply (replies). -- Si (PLO) #11869. I Shew On Go Drew? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
On 2011-06-03 4:50 PM, PLO wrote: And nope! Man alive, and there was me hoping that something useful was coming, but nope, you actually managed to say absolutely nothing constructive whatsoever! Well done! You obviously have a skill there. Nope... But you obviously have a skill for ignoring reality... Whatever floats your boat... The fact remains, the list information is not a signature. It is a LIST signature, not the SENDERS siganture - but yes, it IS a signature. A cutline doesn't therefore need to precede it. Yes, it DOES. Further, it is evident from replies to this list that adding it before the list info does not prevent people who don't use a sig delimiter from including sigs in there replies. So it's a nonsense argument. Nope... Unless, of course, you are using a BROKEN emailer that ignores the RFC that signatures should not be included in quoted text. I use Thunderbird, which does NOT include it quoted text... So, whatever gets you off! BTW. Perhaps we could mutually blacklist each other because I am not at all interested in reading your reply (replies). Whatever floats your boat... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
Hello Larry, On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:18:37 -0600 (your time) you said: The Bat is a pretty basic email client lacking in many features. Yeah, and I'm a Madagascan fruit bat! Good grief, where on earth did you get that notion? I think you have been seriously misinformed sir. The Bat! is by far one of the best featured email clients available. It may not be Open Source, but so what. I tried Thunderbird 18 months ago it did not compare in any way to the feature set in The Bat! Good heavens, I'm defending an email client. Better that than misinformation about it I suppose. -- Si (PLO) # 7810. Wig Resow No Edh? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
On 2011/06/02 3:33 PM PLO wrote: The Bat! is by far one of the best featured email clients available. But, as you pointed out, it does not recognize two sig delimiters in a message. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
Hello Larry, On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:07:37 -0600 (your time) you said: But, as you pointed out, it does not recognize two sig delimiters in a message. Actually, I'm afraid you misread something because I didn't point that out. I pointed out that the list appended a cutline to the end of the message. The Bat! behaves as you would expect a proper, well developed email client to behave and recognises the last signature delimiter in the message as the signature boundary; that's exactly where it should be! The fact that Thunderbird behaves differently in this respect doesn't translate to 'Thunderbird is a superior email client'. On the contrary in fact. Furthermore, the issue wasn't about whose client was better than the other, heaven's above, and it really isn't about that now either...and my email client isn't defective because it does what it is supposed to! The real point is that the list subscription information that is appended to messages does not constitute a signature, and so should therefore not be appended to messages preceded by a cutline. A simple series of dashes or an continuous underscore above the list information to separate it would suffice and wouldn't interfere with the author's signature. As I said, not the end of the world but... Please feel free to email me off list if you want to further discuss email clients, but I don't think a Thunderbird vs The Bat! and everything else is what this topic is about. Well, I certainly didn't intend it to be about that. All the best -- Si (PLO) #12446. We Eon Word Gish? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
On 2011/06/02 4:35 PM PLO wrote: The real point is that the list subscription information that is appended to messages does not constitute a signature, and so should therefore not be appended to messages preceded by a cutline. A simple series of dashes or an continuous underscore above the list information to separate it would suffice and wouldn't interfere with the author's signature. As I said, not the end of the world but... Many lists I subscribe to include subscription information preceded by a sig delimiter. This keeps the info from being repeated multiple times in the replies to the posts. In a long thread you could have the same info 10 or more times in one reply. A lot of people do not use signatures. The appended info would not be deleted if it did not include a sig delimiter. Thunderbird deletes everything after the first sig delimiter in a post. It seems that The Bat only recognizes the last sig delimiter. You are the first person I have seen complain about this on any of the lists I follow. Please feel free to email me off list if you want to further discuss email clients, but I don't think a Thunderbird vs The Bat! and everything else is what this topic is about. Well, I certainly didn't intend it to be about My apologies. I misread something on The Bat's website. I took The Bat! Home Edition ... it is an ideal solution for common users who do not demand extra features. to mean it was a basic e-mail program. I can't check it out, however, since it is Windoze only. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mailing list signature cutline
Hello Larry, On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:04:40 -0600 (your time) you said: My apologies. I misread something on The Bat's website. I took The Bat! Home Edition ... it is an ideal solution for common users who do not demand extra features. to mean it was a basic e-mail program. I can't check it out, however, since it is Windoze only. FWIW, I use The Bat! Professional 4.2 on Windows, not Home. You could always try running TB! under Wine if you're curious; it's a free download. I never tried it under Wine. I just used Evolution. -- Si (PLO) # 636. Woe Hod Wingers? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • LibreOffice 3.4.0 OOO340m1 (Build:12) • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
