Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
Hi :) You might find more people that are familiar with this on the international translators list l...@global.libreoffice.org or on the Greek mailing list. My guess is that when you first type in the letter it appears as it would be in the middle of a word but then if you press space afterwards it changes to the way it should be at the end of a word. On the other hand maybe there are 2 keys for it? The iTrans thing sounds a lot like the standard way of typing in Japanese because it's extremely difficult to get a keyboard that shows Japanese characters even in Japan. Personally i think it sounds like a nightmare but plenty of people seem to have become familiar with typing like that. Regards from Tom :) From: John Jason Jordan To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 6:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:44:51 -0700 Joel Madero dijo: >> At first I was perplexed because some of the keys seemed to give me >> the Greek glyphs that sound similar to the English letters, e.g., t >> gives me a tau, but the s only gave me upper- and regular lowercase >> sigma, not the word-ending sigma. Later I found an image of a real >> Greek keyboard and discovered that the word-ending sigma is the w >> key. I need to print myself a picture of a real Greek keyboard and >> post it above my monitor for reference until I get the hang of touch >> typing in Greek. >if there is an itrans version then you just type like English and it >translates it to the equivalent sound in Greek. I use this for Telugu >and it's pretty amazing. I don't know if there is an itrans version or not, but I can't imagine that it would work anyway. The Greek letter sigma is more or less equivalent to English s, but there are two lowercase glyphs, one used in the middle of the word and the other only at the end of a word. How would a keyboard based on sound know whether I was at the end of the word or not? Then there are the aspirated consonants phi, theta and chi. There are no equivalent letters for those sounds in English. But for the most part the keyboard is similar to the English as far as sound is concerned. It won't be that bad learning how to type Greek on a US English keyboard. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:44:51 -0700 Joel Madero dijo: >> At first I was perplexed because some of the keys seemed to give me >> the Greek glyphs that sound similar to the English letters, e.g., t >> gives me a tau, but the s only gave me upper- and regular lowercase >> sigma, not the word-ending sigma. Later I found an image of a real >> Greek keyboard and discovered that the word-ending sigma is the w >> key. I need to print myself a picture of a real Greek keyboard and >> post it above my monitor for reference until I get the hang of touch >> typing in Greek. >if there is an itrans version then you just type like English and it >translates it to the equivalent sound in Greek. I use this for Telugu >and it's pretty amazing. I don't know if there is an itrans version or not, but I can't imagine that it would work anyway. The Greek letter sigma is more or less equivalent to English s, but there are two lowercase glyphs, one used in the middle of the word and the other only at the end of a word. How would a keyboard based on sound know whether I was at the end of the word or not? Then there are the aspirated consonants phi, theta and chi. There are no equivalent letters for those sounds in English. But for the most part the keyboard is similar to the English as far as sound is concerned. It won't be that bad learning how to type Greek on a US English keyboard. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
On 10/01/2013 09:21 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:11:21 -0700 John Jason Jordan dijo: A long time ago when I used Gnome it was trivially easy. But how in the heck do you install a second keyboard in Xfce? I finally found the answer here: http://tinyurl.com/pt7l4w2 This sets up an icon (or text) in the Xfce panel. You can switch input languages by clicking on the icon/text, or you can assign a hotkey shortcut to switch languages. Having done that I can now enter Greek in a LO Writer document, or any other application on the computer. I assigned a shortcut so that I can switch back and forth between US English and Greek as I'm typing. At first I was perplexed because some of the keys seemed to give me the Greek glyphs that sound similar to the English letters, e.g., t gives me a tau, but the s only gave me upper- and regular lowercase sigma, not the word-ending sigma. Later I found an image of a real Greek keyboard and discovered that the word-ending sigma is the w key. I need to print myself a picture of a real Greek keyboard and post it above my monitor for reference until I get the hang of touch typing in Greek. if there is an itrans version then you just type like English and it translates it to the equivalent sound in Greek. I use this for Telugu and it's pretty amazing. Best, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:11:21 -0700 John Jason Jordan dijo: >A long time ago when I used Gnome it was trivially easy. But how in the >heck do you install a second keyboard in Xfce? I finally found the answer here: http://tinyurl.com/pt7l4w2 This sets up an icon (or text) in the Xfce panel. You can switch input languages by clicking on the icon/text, or you can assign a hotkey shortcut to switch languages. Having done that I can now enter Greek in a LO Writer document, or any other application on the computer. I assigned a shortcut so that I can switch back and forth between US English and Greek as I'm typing. At first I was perplexed because some of the keys seemed to give me the Greek glyphs that sound similar to the English letters, e.g., t gives me a tau, but the s only gave me upper- and regular lowercase sigma, not the word-ending sigma. Later I found an image of a real Greek keyboard and discovered that the word-ending sigma is the w key. I need to print myself a picture of a real Greek keyboard and post it above my monitor for reference until I get the hang of touch typing in Greek. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 15:07:37 +1300 Steve Edmonds dijo: >> Joel Madero dijo: >> What have I missed? >>> http://superuser.com/questions/28932/how-do-i-input-greek-characters-in-ubuntu >>> >>> You need to install the language and then change it with ibus >>> (should have a little keyboard icon in your taskbar somewhere). >>> >>> Google around for "xubuntu install language" but the above link >>> gives some guidance >> Thanks to you and James for the suggestions, but it's still not >> working. >> >> Note that I am using Xubuntu, not Ubuntu. Gnome is not installed, >> except for those components that Xfce uses, or perhaps required by >> some application. >> >> I found Language Support under Applications > Settings. It pops up a >> little window with a list of languages. English (United States), and >> under it English are both in black text. Immediately under them is >> what appears to be Greek, transliterated: "Elleniká," but it's >> grayed out and cannot be selected. >> >> There is a button for Install/Remove Languages. It shows both English >> and Modern Greek with a check box in them after I used the GUI to >> install the Modern Greek (no Ancient or Classical Greek option, but >> Modern Greek is probably close enough for now). I also logged out and >> back in again, but the GUI still shows Elleniká grayed out. The input >> method was set to None, so I changed it to Ibus, and again I logged >> out and back in, but still no joy. >Can you use greek in any other application. May be get that working >system wide and then see about getting it working in LO. No, I cannot type in Greek in any application, unless I use "insert character" or use Ctrl-Shift-u +Unicode value. This is a real pain. I also asked on the Xfce forums last night. I just checked the post - 15 people had read it and there were no replies. A long time ago when I used Gnome it was trivially easy. But how in the heck do you install a second keyboard in Xfce? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
On 2013-10-02 09:32, John Jason Jordan wrote: On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:53:16 -0700 Joel Madero dijo: What have I missed? http://superuser.com/questions/28932/how-do-i-input-greek-characters-in-ubuntu You need to install the language and then change it with ibus (should have a little keyboard icon in your taskbar somewhere). Google around for "xubuntu install language" but the above link gives some guidance Thanks to you and James for the suggestions, but it's still not working. Note that I am using Xubuntu, not Ubuntu. Gnome is not installed, except for those components that Xfce uses, or perhaps required by some application. I found Language Support under Applications > Settings. It pops up a little window with a list of languages. English (United States), and under it English are both in black text. Immediately under them is what appears to be Greek, transliterated: "Elleniká," but it's grayed out and cannot be selected. There is a button for Install/Remove Languages. It shows both English and Modern Greek with a check box in them after I used the GUI to install the Modern Greek (no Ancient or Classical Greek option, but Modern Greek is probably close enough for now). I also logged out and back in again, but the GUI still shows Elleniká grayed out. The input method was set to None, so I changed it to Ibus, and again I logged out and back in, but still no joy. Can you use greek in any other application. May be get that working system wide and then see about getting it working in LO. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:53:16 -0700 Joel Madero dijo: >> What have I missed? >> >http://superuser.com/questions/28932/how-do-i-input-greek-characters-in-ubuntu > >You need to install the language and then change it with ibus (should >have a little keyboard icon in your taskbar somewhere). > >Google around for "xubuntu install language" but the above link gives >some guidance Thanks to you and James for the suggestions, but it's still not working. Note that I am using Xubuntu, not Ubuntu. Gnome is not installed, except for those components that Xfce uses, or perhaps required by some application. I found Language Support under Applications > Settings. It pops up a little window with a list of languages. English (United States), and under it English are both in black text. Immediately under them is what appears to be Greek, transliterated: "Elleniká," but it's grayed out and cannot be selected. There is a button for Install/Remove Languages. It shows both English and Modern Greek with a check box in them after I used the GUI to install the Modern Greek (no Ancient or Classical Greek option, but Modern Greek is probably close enough for now). I also logged out and back in again, but the GUI still shows Elleniká grayed out. The input method was set to None, so I changed it to Ibus, and again I logged out and back in, but still no joy. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
John Jason Jordan wrote: > What have I missed? Have you enabled a Greek keyboard? I have configured mine for U.S. English, International English and Greek. So I can easily switch layouts to type stuff like ³¤€óÓæςερτδωδσ© and more. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Typing in Greek
On 10/01/2013 08:49 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: LibreOffice 3.5.7.2 on Xubuntu 12.04. I'm trying set up a paragraph style, and maybe a text style, to type in Greek on my normally American English computer. I only need this for homework in the Ancient Greek class I am taking. I have installed openoffice.org-l10n.el and libreoffice-l10n.el (they came together) and restarted LO, but that hasn't helped. I cloned my Default paragraph style, naming the clone "Default - Greek" and then modified Default-Greek to change the language settings under the Font tab to Ancient Greek. After applying this style to a paragraph all typing in that paragraph ought to come out in Greek letters, right? Well, I still get just English. And the style is definitely applied; it says so in the formatting toolbar. And the font (Junicode) definitely has a full set of Greek glyphs, properly encoded. What have I missed? http://superuser.com/questions/28932/how-do-i-input-greek-characters-in-ubuntu You need to install the language and then change it with ibus (should have a little keyboard icon in your taskbar somewhere). Google around for "xubuntu install language" but the above link gives some guidance Best, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
