Re: [389-users] 389 hang while upgrading from 1.2.2 to 1.2.10
Hi Rich, On Tuesday 19 March 2013 13:19:08 Rich Megginson wrote: Looks like you might need to do a manual db upgrade procedure, even though you should not be affected by the subtree rename conditions, as in http://port389.org/wiki/Subtree_Rename#warning:_upgrade_from_389_v1.2.6_.28a.3F.2C_rc1_.7E_rc6.29_to_v1.2.6_rc6_or_newer Thank you very much for your support! Maybe it's better to trash the old data and reinitialize the newly installed server using replication or a restore ;) Peace, R. -- Roberto Polli Community Manager Babel S.r.l. - http://www.babel.it T: +39.06.9826.9651 M: +39.340.652.2736 F: +39.06.9826.9680 P.zza S.Benedetto da Norcia, 33 - 00040 Pomezia (Roma) CONFIDENZIALE: Questo messaggio ed i suoi allegati sono di carattere confidenziale per i destinatari in indirizzo. E' vietato l'inoltro non autorizzato a destinatari diversi da quelli indicati nel messaggio originale. Se ricevuto per errore, l'uso del contenuto e' proibito; si prega di comunicarlo al mittente e cancellarlo immediatamente.-- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] 389 hang while upgrading from 1.2.2 to 1.2.10
On 03/20/2013 05:15 AM, Roberto Polli wrote: Hi Rich, On Tuesday 19 March 2013 13:19:08 Rich Megginson wrote: Looks like you might need to do a manual db upgrade procedure, even though you should not be affected by the subtree rename conditions, as in http://port389.org/wiki/Subtree_Rename#warning:_upgrade_from_389_v1.2.6_.28a.3F.2C_rc1_.7E_rc6.29_to_v1.2.6_rc6_or_newer Thank you very much for your support! Maybe it's better to trash the old data and reinitialize the newly installed server using replication or a restore ;) Yes, replica init should work fine too. Peace, R. -- Roberto Polli Community Manager Babel S.r.l. - http://www.babel.it T: +39.06.9826.9651 M: +39.340.652.2736 F: +39.06.9826.9680 P.zza S.Benedetto da Norcia, 33 - 00040 Pomezia (Roma) CONFIDENZIALE: Questo messaggio ed i suoi allegati sono di carattere confidenziale per i destinatari in indirizzo. E' vietato l'inoltro non autorizzato a destinatari diversi da quelli indicati nel messaggio originale. Se ricevuto per errore, l'uso del contenuto e' proibito; si prega di comunicarlo al mittente e cancellarlo immediatamente. -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] dsadmin python library
On 03/14/2013 11:11 AM, Roberto Polli wrote: On Thursday 14 March 2013 11:04:46 Rich Megginson wrote: What about the scripts such as dirsynccrtl.py, winsyncssl.py, etc. that use dsadmin.py? Should they be in the same repo as dsadmin.py? your choiche ;) I would just separate the reusable stuff from the perl and bug one. will see I really hope that dsadmin.py co will be added to 389 rpm as soon as we end a small facelift. That's a much larger task - will then need documentation, QE, etc., etc. Peace, R. -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] dsadmin python library - about Entry behavior
On 03/18/2013 08:37 AM, Roberto Polli wrote:
Hi Rich,
a question about Entry behavior.
Given the following entry:
t = 'o=foo', {'objectclass': ['organization', 'top']}
e = Entry(t)
Use dict.update would be very nice, but if you try
e.data.update({'dc': 'bar', 'objectclass':['organization', 'top', 'domain']})
you'll end up with a strange result.
Do you think we should raise an exception if dict.values are strings?
Sure.
Peace,
R:
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Re: [389-users] How to Managed Entries Plugin for Linux Users?
Hi Nathan, Thanks. Yes it was a stupid Typo. Is there any way to modify/delete entries created by the Managed Entries plugin? When I try to delete those group entries it denies say It needs to be Manually Unlinked not sure how to un-link them. Any idea on that? -- http://about.me/chandank On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Nathan Kinder nkin...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/19/2013 02:33 PM, Chandan Kumar wrote: Hello, I am deploying the 389 server (On CentOS 6) to manage the Linux Users/Password. So as part of Linux User management, I was trying to get the Managed Entries work for Posix user creation. I am following the standard Redhat documentation. https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Directory_Server/9.0/html-single/Deployment_Guide/index.html#managed-entries So I created the templates, exactly the way explained in the doc, but when I create the users it is not creating corresponding Groups. I am using following ldap commands to add entries. I could see the this plugin created in from the console server - data - Plugins - Managed Entries - My plugin User creation statements dn: uid=pappu1,ou=People,dc=ma,dc=net objectclass: person objectclass: inetorgperson objectclass: posixAccount cn: Pappu sn: Papa givenName: pappu1 uid:pappu1 uidNumber:9003 gidNumber:9003 objectclass: mepOriginEntry mepManagedEntry: cn=Pappu Group homeDirectory: /home/pappu1 The plugin dn: cn=Posix User-Group,cn=Managed Entries,cn=plugins,cn=config objectclass: extensibleObject cn: Posix User-Group originScope: ou=people,dc=ma,dc=ma You have a typo in your originScope setting. It should be ou=people,dc=ma,dc=net. -NGK originFilter: objectclass=posixAccount managedBase: ou=groups,dc=ma,dc=net managedTemplate: cn=Posix User-Group Template,ou=Templates,dc=ma,dc=net The template dn: cn=Posix User-Group Template, ou=Templates,dc=ma,dc=net objectclass: mepTemplateEntry cn: Posix User-Group Template mepRDNAttr: cn mepStaticAttr: objectclass: posixGroup mepMappedAttr: cn: $cn Group Entry mepMappedAttr: gidNumber: $gidNumber mepMappedAttr: memberUid: $uid -- http://about.me/chandank -- 389 users mailing list389-users@lists.fedoraproject.orghttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
[389-users] Using JNDI and 389DS
Hey everyone, I need help implementing a client-server SSL connection. I've been researching on the web and I have no idea how to get my Java application to talk to the 389DS securely. I have been looking into keytool and JSSE, but there is no clear cut explanation on how it should be done. I have a self-signed CA certificate that I created using certutil, and then a server certificate generated from that self-signed CA. Is there anyone who knows a path to a solution? Thanks, Rohit -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
[389-users] Using JNDI and 389DS
Hey everyone, I need help implementing a client-server SSL connection. I've been researching on the web and I have no idea how to get my Java application to talk to the 389DS securely. I have been looking into keytool and JSSE, but there is no clear cut explanation on how it should be done. I have a self-signed CA certificate that I created using certutil, and then a server certificate generated from that self-signed CA. Is there anyone who knows a path to a solution? Thanks, Rohit -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] How to Managed Entries Plugin for Linux Users?
Thanks that helped. The main reason for my LDAP deployment is for Centralized Linux User management for all Linux Servers. What would be the simplest way to do basic user/group management such as 1. Adding/Removing users to/from Groups. 2. Creating new groups and adding the users to it. 3. Moving users across the groups. From the documentation it appears that the static group is what I should be looking at, not sure though. Basically I already have many users whose accounts need to be migrated to directory server (as of now Manually managed by puppet). I was wondering if I could do that in some ldif commands. I am really poor with ldif statements. I was trying to do it with Managed group but I could not do it. How a ldif command would look like if I want to add a user say testuser, and also add it to 3 different usergroups (testuser (created by Managed Plugin), testsupport, testadmin, testsales). Thanks Chandan On Wednesday, March 20, 2013, Rich Megginson wrote: On 03/20/2013 10:07 AM, Chandan Kumar wrote: Hi Nathan, Thanks. Yes it was a stupid Typo. Is there any way to modify/delete entries created by the Managed Entries plugin? When I try to delete those group entries it denies say It needs to be Manually Unlinked not sure how to un-link them. Any idea on that? You have to remove objectclass: mepManagedEntry and mepManagedBy: uid=jsmith,ou=people,dc=example,dc=com from the group entry -- http://about.me/chandank On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Nathan Kinder nkin...@redhat.comwrote: On 03/19/2013 02:33 PM, Chandan Kumar wrote: Hello, I am deploying the 389 server (On CentOS 6) to manage the Linux Users/Password. So as part of Linux User management, I was trying to get the Managed Entries work for Posix user creation. I am following the standard Redhat documentation. https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Directory_Server/9.0/html-single/Deployment_Guide/index.html#managed-entries So I created the templates, exactly the way explained in the doc, but when I create the users it is not creating corresponding Groups. I am using following ldap commands to add entries. I could see the this plugin created in from the console server - data - Plugins - Managed Entries - My plugin User creation statements dn: uid=pappu1,ou=People,dc=ma,dc=net objectclass: person objectclass: inetorgperson objectclass: posixAccount cn: Pappu sn: Papa givenName: pappu1 uid:pappu1 uidNumber:9003 gidNumber:9003 objectclass: mepOriginEntry mepManagedEntry: cn=Pappu Group homeDirectory: /home/pappu1 The plugin dn: cn=Posix User-Group,cn=Managed Entries,cn=plugins,cn=config objectclass: extensibleObject cn: Posix User-Group originScope: ou=people,dc=ma,dc=ma You have a typo in your originScope setting. It should be ou=people,dc=ma,dc=net. -NGK originFilter: objectclass=posixAccount managedBase: ou=groups,dc=ma,dc=net managedTemplate: cn=Posix User-Group Template,ou=Templates,dc=ma,dc=net The template dn: cn=Posix User-Group Template, ou=Templates,dc=ma,dc=net objectclass: mepTemplateEntry cn: Posix User-Group Template mepRDNAttr: cn mepStaticAttr: objectclass: posixGroup mepMappedAttr: cn: $cn Group Entry mepMappedAttr: gidNumber: $gidNumber mepMappedAttr: memberUid: $uid -- http://about.me/chandank -- 389 users mailing list389-users@lists.fedoraproject.orghttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- -- http://about.me/chandank -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] Using JNDI and 389DS
Hey dc, I did create a keystore, but every time I try to get it to work, I get stuck. I will post my java code tomorrow to show you what my code looks like, and then I will mention the exact 389 DS configuration. Thanks, Rohit From: 389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [389-users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Chun Tat David Chu [beyonddc.stor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:15 PM To: General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project. Subject: Re: [389-users] Using JNDI and 389DS I have written Java code that does what you described. I think you should break up your problem. 1) Install your server certificate on the 389 DS first. You should consult the following website https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Directory_Server/8.2/html/Administration_Guide/Managing_SSL.html 2) Write your Java application to use JNDI to talk with 389 DS via SSL. You should follow the tutorial from the website. http://docs.oracle.com/javase/jndi/tutorial/ldap/security/ssl.html An important thing to note is you need to create a Java keystore. The Java keystore needs to be accessible by your application. You can pass in a Java property that specifies the Java keystore. The JNDI Tutorial above should give you some hint. Good luck, dc On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Chandan Kumar chandank.ku...@gmail.commailto:chandank.ku...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rohit, Months back Arpit responded to my similar query in this forum and it worked. I am just re-posting his steps here. The only difference is just ignore the slave certificate generation and all should be good. How about creating one CA cert signing all RHDS server from same CA, Then all you have to do is to import only one CA in clients. Create a CA Cerfificate # certutil -S -n CA certificate -s cn=CA cert,dc=directory,dc=example,dc=com -2 -x -t CT,, -m 1000 -v 720 -d . -k rsa Make sure you say yes to Is this a CA certificate [y/N]? and everything else will be default. Next we create your Server Cert. Important - Make sure your cn is your FQDN of this server. Create cert for ldap1.example.comhttp://ldap1.example.com on ldap1.example.comhttp://ldap1.example.com # certutil -S -n directory-Server-Cert-1 -s cn=ldap1.example.comhttp://ldap1.example.com -c CA certificate -t u,u,u -m 1001 -v 720 -d . -k rsa Create cert for ldap2.example.comhttp://ldap2.example.com on ldap1.example.comhttp://ldap1.example.com # certutil -S -n directory-Server-Cert-2 -s cn=ldap2.example.comhttp://ldap2.example.com -c CA certificate -t u,u,u -m 1002 -v 120 -d . -k rsa Then check to make sure it looks ok # certutil -L -n directory-Server-Cert-2 -d . Export keys certs for ldap2.example.comhttp://ldap2.example.com # pk12util -d . -o server2.p12 -n directory-Server-Cert-2 # certutil -L -d . -n CA certificate -a cacert.asc Copy the 'server2.p12' and 'cacert.asc' created above to the 2nd Red Hat Directory Server. Create your public ca for your clients. # certutil -d . -L -n CA certificate -a my-public-ca.asc While logged in to the 2nd RHDS i.e. ldap2.example.comhttp://ldap2.example.com, run the following: # service dirsrv stop # cd /etc/disrv/slapd-INSTANCE2/ # mv /path/to/server2.p12 /etc/dirsrv/slapd-INSTANCE2/ # mv /path/to/cacert.asc /etc/dirsrv/slapd-INSTANCE2/ # pk12util -d . -i server2.p12 # certutil -A -d . -n CA certificate -t CT,, -a -i cacert.asc # service dirsrv start Thanks Chandan On Wednesday, March 20, 2013, Chaudhari, Rohit K. wrote: Hey everyone, I need help implementing a client-server SSL connection. I've been researching on the web and I have no idea how to get my Java application to talk to the 389DS securely. I have been looking into keytool and JSSE, but there is no clear cut explanation on how it should be done. I have a self-signed CA certificate that I created using certutil, and then a server certificate generated from that self-signed CA. Is there anyone who knows a path to a solution? Thanks, Rohit -- -- http://about.me/chandank -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.orgmailto:389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
I've just completed the first exercise for using inkscape, which is to draw a Swedish flag. I saved it as a PDF and emailed it to a Swedish friend, but all he got when he viewed the image was an empty rectangle. It seems the trouble is that somewhere in the mail system, probably in their Windows mail reader, text lines in the PDF were converted from Unix style NL termination to DOS style CR/NL termination. Sure enough when I converted the file on my system using the command: unix2dos -n -f SwedishFlag.pdf SwedishFlag+cr.pdf the output file displays as an empty box, using either okular or acroread. Does anyone know what's going on here, or how to send such a file to a Windows machine without it's being trashed? Many Thanks - jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On 03/20/13 14:41, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I've just completed the first exercise for using inkscape, which is to draw a Swedish flag. I saved it as a PDF and emailed it to a Swedish friend, but all he got when he viewed the image was an empty rectangle. It seems the trouble is that somewhere in the mail system, probably in their Windows mail reader, text lines in the PDF were converted from Unix style NL termination to DOS style CR/NL termination. Sure enough when I converted the file on my system using the command: unix2dos -n -f SwedishFlag.pdf SwedishFlag+cr.pdf the output file displays as an empty box, using either okular or acroread. Does anyone know what's going on here, or how to send such a file to a Windows machine without it's being trashed? At this point all I know is this Any PDF file to which I apply the conversion results in what you describe. A PDF file contains binary information. As such, I don't think the experiment is valid. From the man page... The Dos2unix package includes utilities dos2unix and unix2dos to convert plain text files in DOS or Mac format to Unix format and vice versa. A PDF isn't a plain text file. I would ask the recipient to check the file size they have received. -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Printer setup headache
On 19.03.2013 01:41, Jim wrote: Fedora 18 / KDE I have set this print driver Samaung CLX-3170 up on Fedora 15, 17 and now on 18 and I can't get it to print up on Fedora 18. ... http://splix.ap2c.org/ http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/ http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/18/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/foo2qpdl.html http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-xerox_mfp.5.html poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On 03/20/13 15:21, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: This much I know already. The -f option is required to force the conversion for binary files. The file I get after the unix2dos conversion is exactly the same as the file my recipient emailed back to me, and suffers exactly the same problem as the one I convert on my own system. Which is how I know that it's carriage return conversion that is causing the trouble with email and not something else. The **real** question is: Why is it that when I email a PDF file to a Windows machine it usually can be read without difficulty? What's the trouble with the Swedish flag? What I would do, to see if it makes any difference, it to take the original file (no conversion) zip it and send the zip file. -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On 03/20/13 15:21, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I suspect the cat has been on your chest (8-). Oh, now that the weather has turned warmer I am out of excuses. :-) -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 15:25 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/20/13 15:21, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: This much I know already. The -f option is required to force the conversion for binary files. The file I get after the unix2dos conversion is exactly the same as the file my recipient emailed back to me, and suffers exactly the same problem as the one I convert on my own system. Which is how I know that it's carriage return conversion that is causing the trouble with email and not something else. The **real** question is: Why is it that when I email a PDF file to a Windows machine it usually can be read without difficulty? What's the trouble with the Swedish flag? What I would do, to see if it makes any difference, it to take the original file (no conversion) zip it and send the zip file. Done. Lets see what my Swedish friend has to say. -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Kernel Upgrade Display Issues....
On 03/19/2013 02:19 PM, Anthony Messina wrote: On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 01:19:06 PM Eddie O'Connor wrote: After recently upgrading to the latest kernel, my display has gone berserk! It logs in with the 1024x768 resolution, and I have to reset it for 1200x1600. After I reset it, after a minute or two, it blinks and goes back to the 1024x768. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? You don't say what your graphics driver is, but this may be related: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922304 My apologies on that one. My graphics driver is the Intel 965GM. I'm hoping that they either patch the kernel as soon as possible or else they just come out with the next iteration of it. EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Hi! 2013/3/20 Peter Gueckel pguec...@gmail.com: Ed Greshko wrote: ...so you want to eliminate your desktop and laptop and move to a single mobile platform with, ideally, Fedora as the underlying OS. ...I don't see mobile platforms... as exclusionary devices but complementary. I entertain the Bauhaus/Ikea/Zen philosophy of minimalism. All-in- one appeals to me from that aspect. I see that it might not yet be practical or even possible. As many others have already said I don't think this will work. A smartphone is great on the go because it is light, portable and always available in your pocket. A tablet is great to use at home (or in a plane) to write some short emails or to watch a movie. A computer is great when you need to do some serious work, i.e. a spreedsheet or a project plan with thousands of line. CAD. Image processing. Every device has its purpose and it is suboptimal outside it. The same with the tools you use at home. A hammer is not suitable for the same things as the screwdriver. I see no real advantage of running the same OS on all devices. The way things are at the moment there is already a decent level of integration. I can read the same emails in all devices. I can chat with people on all devices and switch on the fly. My contacts and calendars are automatically synchronized. I use some great apps in my mobile and I use some great apps in my desktop computer. Greetings, -- Jorge Martínez López jorg...@gmail.com http://www.jorgeml.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 23:41 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I've just completed the first exercise for using inkscape, which is to draw a Swedish flag. I saved it as a PDF and emailed it to a Swedish friend, but all he got when he viewed the image was an empty rectangle. It seems the trouble is that somewhere in the mail system, Check the MIME type that your mailer is sending it as. It should be a binary one specific to the actual file type. And the file should be not be converted, in any way, at either end. However, if you're mistakenly sending it as a text/plain attachment, mail systems may do whatever they usually do as text files go through them, which can include translating line endings. Likewise, if their end doesn't properly handle the type of attachment that it's receiving. Some systems label PDF files as simply being application/octet-stream, which just means generic non-specific binary, and some systems mishandle such files. When you say you saved it as a PDF, are you actually saving as a PDF filetype, or just tacking PDF onto the end of the filename? Related to that, are you sending a PDF file type without giving it a PDF filename? How did you email it? What mail program did you use? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Ed Greshko wrote: What is the advantage of running (K)Ubuntu or any other Linux distro on a smartphone or tablet? I would find it a great advantage to run the same, or similar, OS's or DE's on laptop and phone, just for simplicity. For example, I would like to use KMail on my Samsung Galaxy S2, collecting mail through IMAP from my server. I'd like to run Firefox on my phone, just because that is what I am familiar with. I find the sync-ing between phone and computer less than satisfactory. If both presented the same interface it would be much better (for me). I would consider going over to Ubuntu on laptop and phone if I were reasonably sure that would simplify my life. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 12:47, schrieb Timothy Murphy: Ed Greshko wrote: What is the advantage of running (K)Ubuntu or any other Linux distro on a smartphone or tablet? I would find it a great advantage to run the same, or similar, OS's or DE's on laptop and phone, just for simplicity it makes pretty no sense to use the same DE on a smartphone this would mean cripple it down for desktop users or have a unuseable one on the smartphone why do people not realize this? For example, I would like to use KMail on my Samsung Galaxy S2, collecting mail through IMAP from my server have fun with the desktop UI on a smartphone K9 for android is far better optimized for the use-case I'd like to run Firefox on my phone, just because that is what I am familiar with. it exists for Android and guess what: it does not have the same UI for reasons above I find the sync-ing between phone and computer less than satisfactory. If both presented the same interface it would be much better (for me). you BELIEVE it would be much better but ignore that any application on a smartphone needs to realize the envirnoment and come up with a different UI or it will be unuseable I would consider going over to Ubuntu on laptop and phone if I were reasonably sure that would simplify my life and you think you can use any application like OpenOffice with the existing user-interface on WHATEVER OS on a smartphone? how do you come to that conclusion? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:59:54PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 19.03.2013 23:55, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:43:11PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 19.03.2013 23:38, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 09:58:36PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource all it's IT to the cloud, not now and not in the future I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems with that surely not - NOT a public cloud where the OP refers and that is why people should avoid buzzwords if they like to be taken serious He said The Cloud. The servers are not hosted or owned by the company but by two different companies (big ones). The data is not publicly accessible why do you guy not say I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems with that and using Amazon EC2 if you mean it? I was specific enough. Not Amazon EC2 actually. And why I am not more specific: not sure how much I can tell and I fail to see why more specifics are important. In any case: you say businesses don't host things in the cloud. I know one that does. Feel free to continue changing my words or the meaning of what you wrote so that in your view you're still right. Also feel free to change topics, introduce GNOME 3, go personal, etc. Getting rather predictable. this is not the same bullshit as i do no longer need computers because in a short anyhting is done with smartphones and tables Whatever. OK, you are a GNOME3 guy and would love the opposite to have arguments for design a desktop for a mobile, but thats another story Whatever. Would be lovely if you'd be booted off this mailing list, but still: whatever. -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 11:47 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: What is the advantage of running (K)Ubuntu or any other Linux distro on a smartphone or tablet? I would find it a great advantage to run the same, or similar, OS's or DE's on laptop and phone, just for simplicity. [Jumping into the middle of this, so apologies if I'm going over old ground here]. Be careful what you wish for. The usage cases are not the same, so a system optimized for one will typically not be optimized for the other. For example, I would like to use KMail on my Samsung Galaxy S2, collecting mail through IMAP from my server. I'd like to run Firefox on my phone, just because that is what I am familiar with. AFAIK you already can run Firefox (or Chrome) on that platform. I have both on my Google Nexus phone (Android 4.2.2). KMail not so much, but other IMAP clients yes. In fact I just use the GMail app but there are others. To my mind, the important thing is being able to access all your data, even if the user interface is different. I find the sync-ing between phone and computer less than satisfactory. If both presented the same interface it would be much better (for me). I don't think this is an interface problem. Android =4 doesn't allow direct access to files via the USB port (unless the phone is rooted), so syncing has to use the pretty lame MTP protocol. This is OS-independent, but very limited in its capabilities. I would consider going over to Ubuntu on laptop and phone if I were reasonably sure that would simplify my life. Sure, but it remains to be seen how much simpler your life actually gets. The Ubuntu phone interface has some interesting features, but it's different from the desktop (which they are also they are trying to change, over howls of protest from many users). poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Printer setup headache
On 03/20/2013 03:13 AM, poma wrote: On 19.03.2013 01:41, Jim wrote: Fedora 18 / KDE I have set this print driver Samaung CLX-3170 up on Fedora 15, 17 and now on 18 and I can't get it to print up on Fedora 18. ... http://splix.ap2c.org/ http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/ http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/18/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/foo2qpdl.html http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-xerox_mfp.5.html poma Here is a error message I picked up when trying to print. Mar 20 08:03:04 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [62238.903742] cupsd[1032]: segfault at b94067 ip b7342175 sp bfb45430 error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b72cc000+1a3000] Mar 20 08:56:31 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [65444.447036] rastertosamsung[5605] general protection ip:b764d141 sp:bfb5fc9c error:0 in libc-2.15.so[b751c000+1a3000] -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Error while compiling xmblackberry-0.3.0
This error shows during the make process: see attachment. Is there something missing on my 17 system or is it something else that I am messing up? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity errortext Description: Binary data -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
unicode
Hello, I would like to display the unicode characters for example by using Character Map. Is it possible? Right now, I have plenty of funy characters but no Pi, Lambda, etc.. Thank. -- Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@kegtux.org Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale| | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12| | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unicode
On 20.03.2013 14:52, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, I would like to display the unicode characters for example by using Character Map. Is it possible? Right now, I have plenty of funy characters but no Pi, Lambda, etc.. π, λ, … poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/13 19:55, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.03.2013 12:47, schrieb Timothy Murphy: Ed Greshko wrote: What is the advantage of running (K)Ubuntu or any other Linux distro on a smartphone or tablet? I would find it a great advantage to run the same, or similar, OS's or DE's on laptop and phone, just for simplicity it makes pretty no sense to use the same DE on a smartphone this would mean cripple it down for desktop users or have a unuseable one on the smartphone why do people not realize this? Maybe they will realize it when presented with reality? It seems, to me, intuitive that the form factor makes it impractical to have the same DE on a smartphone as on a desktop. You'd have to configure everything to the lowest common denominator. Not what I want on my desktop. For example, I would like to use KMail on my Samsung Galaxy S2, collecting mail through IMAP from my server have fun with the desktop UI on a smartphone K9 for android is far better optimized for the use-case Yep, that is what I use. Now if they only would support threading. :-) I'd like to run Firefox on my phone, just because that is what I am familiar with. it exists for Android and guess what: it does not have the same UI for reasons above And Chrome for Android is not the same as Chrome on the desktop. Gee I wonder why. :-) I find the sync-ing between phone and computer less than satisfactory. If both presented the same interface it would be much better (for me). you BELIEVE it would be much better but ignore that any application on a smartphone needs to realize the envirnoment and come up with a different UI or it will be unuseable Ahh, one also has to realize that the syncing between phone and computer will not be improved by having the same interface on both. There is no correlation. -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unicode
On 03/20/13 21:52, Patrick Dupre wrote: I would like to display the unicode characters for example by using Character Map. Is it possible? Right now, I have plenty of funy characters but no Pi, Lambda, etc.. I really don't understand your request -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Printer setup headache
On 20.03.2013 14:11, Jim wrote: On 03/20/2013 03:13 AM, poma wrote: On 19.03.2013 01:41, Jim wrote: Fedora 18 / KDE I have set this print driver Samaung CLX-3170 up on Fedora 15, 17 and now on 18 and I can't get it to print up on Fedora 18. ... http://splix.ap2c.org/ http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/ http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/18/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/foo2qpdl.html http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-xerox_mfp.5.html poma Here is a error message I picked up when trying to print. Mar 20 08:03:04 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [62238.903742] cupsd[1032]: segfault at b94067 ip b7342175 sp bfb45430 error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b72cc000+1a3000] Mar 20 08:56:31 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [65444.447036] rastertosamsung[5605] general protection ip:b764d141 sp:bfb5fc9c error:0 in libc-2.15.so[b751c000+1a3000] foo2qpdl? poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unicode
Quoting mer, 20 mar 2013 Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com: On 03/20/13 21:52, Patrick Dupre wrote: I would like to display the unicode characters for example by using Character Map. Is it possible? Right now, I have plenty of funy characters but no Pi, Lambda, etc.. I really don't understand your request Sorry, I finally found them under Greek while I was looking for Symbol or Opensymbol. Regards. -- Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@kegtux.org Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale| | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12| | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 08:57:29AM -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 20:05 +1030, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 23:41 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I've just completed the first exercise for using inkscape, which is to draw a Swedish flag. I saved it as a PDF and emailed it to a Swedish friend, but all he got when he viewed the image was an empty rectangle. It seems the trouble is that somewhere in the mail system, Check the MIME type that your mailer is sending it as. It should be a binary one specific to the actual file type. And the file should be not be converted, in any way, at either end. However, if you're mistakenly sending it as a text/plain attachment, mail systems may do whatever they usually do as text files go through them, which can include translating line endings. Likewise, if their end doesn't properly handle the type of attachment that it's receiving. Some systems label PDF files as simply being application/octet-stream, which just means generic non-specific binary, and some systems mishandle such files. When you say you saved it as a PDF, are you actually saving as a PDF filetype, or just tacking PDF onto the end of the filename? Related to that, are you sending a PDF file type without giving it a PDF filename? I'm a little perplexed. Linux doesn't mark files with their type, as Mac systems do. The file has a .pdf extension, and the file command shows it as PDF type. $ file SwedishFlag.pdf SwedishFlag.pdf: PDF document, version 1.5 How did you email it? What mail program did you use? The email program is evolution. I clicked Send. Here is the start of the section of the message containing the attachment in question: Content-Type: application/pdf; name=SwedishFlag.pdf Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline; filename=SwedishFlag.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've attached a copy of SwedishFlag.pdf. Also SwedishFlag.zip, as suggested in an earlier posting. Let's see what the mail system does to them in Linux systems. Thanks - jon the pdf file displays as a swedish flag, here, on Centos 6.4, using mutt. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. - Isaiah 40:28 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Repeated Firefox Crashes
El jue, 14-03-2013 a las 14:59 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan escribió: On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 16:18 +1030, William Brown wrote: On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 22:45 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Firefox, long quite stable, has crashed 3 times today, generally while doing nothing in particular, i.e. running in background. Has anyone else noticed this? Could there be some connection with the new version of flash, which was released just yesterday? From /var/log/yum.log: ... Mar 12 23:17:14 Updated: flash-plugin-11.2.202.275-release.x86_64 Disable the flash plugin (in safemode if you have to) and see if this continues. Just did that, and Firefox crashed after about 10 minutes of use. So it's not flash. Further problems (all with flash disabled) at: 3/13 at 23:19 crash 3/13 at 23:48 crash 3/14 at 00:19 froze (didn't respond to keyboard or mouse) 3/14 at 00:40 crash And not bad memory, since I haven't had any trouble with other programs, also ran memtest86+ for a couple of passes without finding anything bad. jon Have you solve this issue? If not, have you installed some extension? Did you try running it with extensions disabled? Did you try running it from console to see what happens when it crashes or frozes? Cheers, Lailah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Olav Vitters wrote: Would be lovely if you'd (Harald Reindl) be booted off this mailing list, but still: whatever. Harald may be a little rough around the edges, but he consistently makes helpful and informative posts. In balance, this mailing list would be much worse off without his presence. In this case, I also happen to agree with him. Just because tablets and smartphones are en vogue at the moment doesn't mean that there isn't a place for more traditional form factors in the future. With so many different distributions, I don't see any reason why any of them should be trying to be one size fits all. I know I certainly don't want to be using a tablet to do my day- to-day development and server administration tasks. It's all Linux, so there is no need for an us vs. them mentality between distributions. If one is more suited for servers, another for desktops, and another for tablets/smartphones then so be it. After all, the Unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On 03/20/2013 05:12 PM, Fred Smith wrote: [snip] the pdf file displays as a swedish flag, here, on Centos 6.4, using mutt. Same for me on F17 x86_64 using Thunderbird. Regards, Patrick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
19.03.2013 20:52, Temlakos: Did you know that a consensus is rapidly developing that the present environment, with desktops (or mini-towers) and laptops dominating, will give place totally to The Cloud, where all data will reside, and you will access it using a smartphone with the occasional auxiliary keyboard and screen? And print to the nearest wireless print server? What advice will you have for the worker in a multinational or Fortune 100 enterprise that decides to build a private Cloud and expects its workers to maintain all data on The Cloud and work with it using smartphones and tablets, to the exclusion of mini-towers and laptops? By now you are wondering, I'm sure, /Was is los/? Here is an article by Jason Perlow at ZDNet, outlining the new Cloud-ed future: http://www.zdnet.com/cloud-haters-you-too-will-be-assimilated-712059/ Yeah! http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-01-07/ -- Regards mks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
Swedish flag here using Adobe reader 9.5.1 on Linux rwells-lnx 3.7.9-104.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 24 19:19:12 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux received via Thunderbird 17.0.4 HTH roger On 03/20/2013 01:46 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: On 03/20/2013 05:12 PM, Fred Smith wrote: [snip] the pdf file displays as a swedish flag, here, on Centos 6.4, using mutt. Same for me on F17 x86_64 using Thunderbird. Regards, Patrick -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Random freezes with new kernel?
I got the 3.8.3-203.fc18.x86_64 kernel this morning when I ran yum, rebooted to get it running, removed the mei module to stop the incessant errors it was generating (bug 917081) and now I've had my system totally freeze up several times. It goes completely non-responsive, screen doesn't update, cursor doesn't move, Ctrl-Alt-F2 doesn't take me to a console, etc. Then after some random amount of time (seemed like about 3 minutes the first time, later ones have been shorter), it suddenly starts working again. No trace of any problem seems to be left in any log files I can find. Is this happening to anyone else? Do I actually need the annoying mei kernel module for something that might be the cause of these hangs? Should I submit a kernel bug for this? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 10:32 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: Just because tablets and smartphones are en vogue at the moment doesn't mean that there isn't a place for more traditional form factors in the future. That's probably true to some extent. However, have you ever actually seen an Atrix workstation or laptop? Consider this: You have a fully functional workstation at your desk. You finish up what you're doing and pull the computer out of its dock. The computer has all of your apps, all of your configurations, and all of your data. You can use many of those apps on the computer's 4 touch screen. If you need a larger screen or a keyboard, you break out your laptop form-factor dock and plug the computer in to it. Presto, you have all of your apps and data on a laptop and continue your work. The computer can be used independently, and it can be used in a laptop or workstation dock. Is there room in THAT world for traditional desktop/workstation computers? Probably some for people who need a lot more computing power than you can readily cool in a package that's the size of a smartphone. But, how much? It's extremely likely that the near future of personal computing will move toward very mobile devices that can be paired with a larger display and input device. http://haverzine.com/motorola-kills-the-webtop/ http://haverzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WebTop_FeatureHero_487x5821.jpg http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smartphones/smartphones-like-motorola-atrix-can-replace-corporate-desktops/2350 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 10:32 AM, Matthew J. Roth issued this missive: Olav Vitters wrote: Would be lovely if you'd (Harald Reindl) be booted off this mailing list, but still: whatever. Harald may be a little rough around the edges, but he consistently makes helpful and informative posts. In balance, this mailing list would be much worse off without his presence. In this case, I also happen to agree with him. Just because tablets and smartphones are en vogue at the moment doesn't mean that there isn't a place for more traditional form factors in the future. With so many different distributions, I don't see any reason why any of them should be trying to be one size fits all. I know I certainly don't want to be using a tablet to do my day- to-day development and server administration tasks. It's all Linux, so there is no need for an us vs. them mentality between distributions. If one is more suited for servers, another for desktops, and another for tablets/smartphones then so be it. After all, the Unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well. Doing anything useful with a tablet (e.g. software development, managing a data center, etc.) is well-nigh impossible. I only use one if I absolutely must and it generally takes MUCH more time to get anything done. soap Tablets and smartphones have their uses. Tweets or Facebook update stuff (is your life really so bloody pathetic that you have to share that you ate a peanut butter sandwich to feel connected?) is what they're designed for. I will never give up my desktop or large screen laptop (which occasionally gets coupled to my cell phone as a 4G wireless modem). I have to do real work. /soap -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - To get that bulldozer airborne, we need more explosives. - --- Jamie Hyneman- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:32:11PM -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: Harald may be a little rough around the edges, but he consistently makes helpful and informative posts. In balance, this mailing list would be much worse off without his presence. Thanks for the hint. I make various helpful posts as well. So every so often I'll just behave a bit worse so things even off. -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 19:16, schrieb Gordon Messmer: Consider this: You have a fully functional workstation at your desk. You finish up what you're doing and pull the computer out of its dock. The computer has all of your apps, all of your configurations, and all of your data. You can use many of those apps on the computer's 4 touch screen. If you need a larger screen or a keyboard, you break out your laptop form-factor dock and plug the computer in to it. Presto, you have all of your apps and data on a laptop and continue your work. what about redundancy aka RAID? what about large data? The computer can be used independently, and it can be used in a laptop or workstation dock. and usually all this are compromises which doing nothing of both really well Is there room in THAT world for traditional desktop/workstation computers? Probably some for people who need a lot more computing power than you can readily cool in a package that's the size of a smartphone. But, how much? It's extremely likely that the near future of personal computing will move toward very mobile devices that can be paired with a larger display and input device virtualization? it is not uncommon these days that users rely on it for testing or let special software runs which does not exist in a native version well, even Windows7 had it BUILT-IN you need at least CPU power, you need RAM and you need fast disks sorry, but there where i work you will never replace a workstation with such toys in the office instead use the BEST tools for whatever you need instead such crippleded fits all and nothing signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 19:16, schrieb Gordon Messmer: On 03/20/2013 10:32 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: Is there room in THAT world for traditional desktop/workstation computers? extremely likely that the near future of personal computing will move toward very mobile devices that can be paired and BTW i did 2011 the opposite step i worked from 2003 until 2011 ONLY on a notebook 2011 i had finally enough from * the missing disk-io * the missing power at all * if the power was OK the crap get's really loud after 10,12,14 hours of constantly work in front of * no redundancy - yes i do daily backups * BUT after 5 hours of hard work if the notebooks drive dies the backup of the last day is painful well, the only problem is customer presentations but i managed do them inhouse at my workplace which is doable at home the exactly same machine works and is a bitwise clone of the whole 4x2 TB RAID10, a msart rsync-script manages to sync all my data and dekstop while i am in the train and this is also one stage of daily backups - doing a mistake at 11 AM - no problem, all data is still laive, doing some critical at one of the systems - sync them before the power is a multiple compared with before, i am so much faster in my daily work, i can do so much more things than ever before and i call myself a idiot for working over years with a mobile computer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Error while compiling xmblackberry-0.3.0
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:19:45 +, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: This error shows during the make process: see attachment. Is there something missing on my 17 system or is it something else that I am messing up? Try what the message suggests: | /usr/bin/ld: note: 'SHA1' is defined in DSO /lib/libcrypto.so.10 so try | adding it to the linker command line Try adding -lcrypto to the linker options and make sure openssl-devel is installed. -- Fedora release 19 (Kastrierter Kater) - Linux 3.9.0-0.rc3.git0.3.fc19.x86_64 loadavg: 0.09 0.06 0.06 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Random freezes with new kernel?
On Mar 20, 2013 11:08 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: I got the 3.8.3-203.fc18.x86_64 kernel this morning when I ran yum, rebooted to get it running, removed the mei module to stop the incessant errors it was generating (bug 917081) and now I've had my system totally freeze up several times. It goes completely non-responsive, screen doesn't update, cursor doesn't move, Ctrl-Alt-F2 doesn't take me to a console, etc. Then after some random amount of time (seemed like about 3 minutes the first time, later ones have been shorter), it suddenly starts working again. No trace of any problem seems to be left in any log files I can find. Is this happening to anyone else? Do I actually need the annoying mei kernel module for something that might be the cause of these hangs? Should I submit a kernel bug for this? I get this rather frequently as well, but not so much - at this point - for me to feel like it required a mailing. This is not a reply Horsley, more than it is support for the point. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 17 ipv4 inactive
Have googled, and done all I can think NIC works fine with F17-boot disc in rescue mode. cat5 cables have been changed and work on other nodes. Box normally gets it's reserved-ip from Dovado router. Jumbo frames disabled on everything # ifconfig eth0 up # ifconfig eth0: flags=-28669UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,DYNAMIC mtu 1500 ether 00:22:3f:f1:f2:d8 txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 21 bytes 2853 (2.7 KiB) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 6 bytes 468 (468.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 lo: flags=73UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 scopeid 0x10host loop txqueuelen 0 (Local Loopback) RX packets 12 bytes 840 (840.0 B) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 12 bytes 840 (840.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 # cat ifcfg-eth0 # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt # for the documentation of these parameters. DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Ethernet HWADDR=00:22:3f:f1:f2:d8 DHCP_HOSTNAME=mybox ONBOOT=yes IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=yes NM_CONTROLLED=no USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no NETWORKING_IPV6=no -- Regards, Frank http//www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17 ipv4 inactive
On 03/20/2013 12:07 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: NIC works fine with F17-boot disc in rescue mode. cat5 cables have been changed and work on other nodes. Box normally gets it's reserved-ip from Dovado router. Jumbo frames disabled on everything If the IP is reserved, why not just set it to a static IP and be done with it? I don't know if it would help in this case, but it might simplify things. And, while I'm thinking about it, are there other machines set up the same way? If so, and they work, it's not the router. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Gordon Messmer wrote: That's probably true to some extent. However, have you ever actually seen an Atrix workstation or laptop? With systems on a chip and ever-shrinking integrated circuits I imagine almost endless computing power being embedded pretty much anywhere and everywhere. Maybe this is how evolution is meant to continue once its pace outruns what biology can keep up with. It's extremely likely that the near future of personal computing will move toward very mobile devices that can be paired with a larger display and input device. I guess the focus should be on a DE that can adapt to the different form factors on the fly. No matter what I don't see using the same interface on a 4 screen and multiple large displays being practical. The future is definitely exciting. I just hope I stay adaptable because change is the only constant. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 11:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: what about redundancy aka RAID? Personal computing rarely involves RAID. Not never, but rarely. And that's my point. There will continue to be high-end workstations with whatever features you want that aren't in mobile devices, but as time goes on, most of the industry expects that market to shink. It will continue to be a very small niche, and it's likely that costs for such equipment will rise (relative to standard costs) as that market shrinks. what about large data? Personal, mobile computers will continue to grow their capacity as they always have, and fixed workstations will remain for the few people who need more than mobile devices provide. virtualization? We fully expect that to come to mobile devices. you need at least CPU power, you need RAM and you need fast disks sorry, but there where i work you will never replace a workstation with such toys in the office instead use the BEST tools for whatever you need instead such crippleded fits all and nothing Your point of view seems unflexibly narrow. You don't seem to be able to conceive of the simple fact that the future is not entirely like the present. Compare the specs of a smart phone today to devices just 3 or 4 years ago. The growth in capability is astounding. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 12:28 PM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: I guess the focus should be on a DE that can adapt to the different form factors on the fly. No matter what I don't see using the same interface on a 4 screen and multiple large displays being practical. I don't either, and maybe that's not how things will work. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android Ubuntu for Android is one possible direction for these devices to take. Untethered, they run an interface that's geared toward a small touch screen, like Android. Tethered (docked), they run applications that access the same data files, but are better suited to keyboard and mouse input. Or maybe it'll become more common for apps to support two UIs (one touch and one keyboard+mouse) with the same application logic. There will be plenty of experimentation in the space, but the potential is definitely attractive. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: There will continue to be high-end workstations with whatever features you want that aren't in mobile devices, Like keyboards big enough for touch typing? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 14:03 -0400, Roger K. Wells wrote: Swedish flag here using Adobe reader 9.5.1 on Linux rwells-lnx 3.7.9-104.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 24 19:19:12 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux received via Thunderbird 17.0.4 HTH roger On 03/20/2013 01:46 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: On 03/20/2013 05:12 PM, Fred Smith wrote: [snip] the pdf file displays as a swedish flag, here, on Centos 6.4, using mutt. Same for me on F17 x86_64 using Thunderbird. Regards, Patrick Swedish flag here using Fedora 14 x86_64, Evolution and Adobe Reader Charlie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 20:50, schrieb Gordon Messmer: virtualization? We fully expect that to come to mobile devices. if you would know about you are speaking you would know that you NEVER can virtualize a x86 CPU on ARM architecture this does not help you to run legacy apps and i still speak of WORKING with computers you need at least CPU power, you need RAM and you need fast disks sorry, but there where i work you will never replace a workstation with such toys in the office instead use the BEST tools for whatever you need instead such crippleded fits all and nothing Your point of view seems unflexibly narrow. i am long enough in the business i switched from noteboom to desktop 2 years ago i saw many buzzwords come and go You don't seem to be able to conceive of the simple fact that the future is not entirely like the present. the homeuser future does not interest me nor does it Redhat Compare the specs of a smart phone today to devices just 3 or 4 years ago. The growth in capability is astounding. compare the specs of a workstation today and look how stupid developers managed to waste more ressources to not benfit of all the better performance signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
Am 20.03.2013 21:19, schrieb Charlie McVeigh: Swedish flag here using Fedora 14 x86_64, Evolution and Adobe Reader do the world a favour and disconnect systems with no security updates since years form the internet signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Printer setup headache
On 03/20/2013 10:27 AM, poma wrote: On 20.03.2013 14:11, Jim wrote: On 03/20/2013 03:13 AM, poma wrote: On 19.03.2013 01:41, Jim wrote: Fedora 18 / KDE I have set this print driver Samaung CLX-3170 up on Fedora 15, 17 and now on 18 and I can't get it to print up on Fedora 18. ... http://splix.ap2c.org/ http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/ http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/18/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/foo2qpdl.html http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-xerox_mfp.5.html poma Here is a error message I picked up when trying to print. Mar 20 08:03:04 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [62238.903742] cupsd[1032]: segfault at b94067 ip b7342175 sp bfb45430 error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b72cc000+1a3000] Mar 20 08:56:31 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [65444.447036] rastertosamsung[5605] general protection ip:b764d141 sp:bfb5fc9c error:0 in libc-2.15.so[b751c000+1a3000] foo2qpdl? poma Okay I have compiled foo2zjs and got my Samsung printer CLX-3175FN to print in Black and White and I have ghostscript installed, now how do I get it to print in COLOR ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Error while compiling xmblackberry-0.3.0
Sorry for the top post. Bb's mail won't allow bottom posting. Got past the linker but their is a bug in the code. This compile is put on hold. I am not a programmer. Thank you for the assistance, Michael. Dave Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity -Original Message- From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:47:55 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Error while compiling xmblackberry-0.3.0 On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:19:45 +, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: This error shows during the make process: see attachment. Is there something missing on my 17 system or is it something else that I am messing up? Try what the message suggests: | /usr/bin/ld: note: 'SHA1' is defined in DSO /lib/libcrypto.so.10 so try | adding it to the linker command line Try adding -lcrypto to the linker options and make sure openssl-devel is installed. -- Fedora release 19 (Kastrierter Kater) - Linux 3.9.0-0.rc3.git0.3.fc19.x86_64 loadavg: 0.09 0.06 0.06 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 03:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/20/2013 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: There will continue to be high-end workstations with whatever features you want that aren't in mobile devices, Like keyboards big enough for touch typing? Auxiliary keyboards big enough, as you say, for touch typing, are under development right now. As we speak. The even bigger item will be a Cloud-based back-end application that will directly transcribe your spoken dictation. Imagine if you will, yet another remake of the motion picture /Double Indemnity/. Imagine Walter Neff hauling out his smartphone, right where he stands after Phyllis Dietrichson has just shot him, starting the Dragon Dictate App, and starting to talk: E-mail: Walter Neff to Barton Keyes, Claims Manager, and instantly the e-mail app loads, starts a new message, and puts Barton Keyes' name and e-mail addy in the To: field. Then as Neff keeps talking, Dear Keyes, This will probably sound like a confession when you read it, but I don't like the word 'confession,'... the app will start filling in the body. And keep filling it in as long as it takes. Right up to the time that Mr. Keyes tracks Mr. Neff down using the GPS locator service on their two smartphones. Think that's the stuff of science fiction? Well, hold onto your seat, because voice command is already a feature of most smartphones that use the i- and Android OS and, I presume, the WinPhone OS, too. From command to dictation is a step that I predict will take not more than five years to take. (Smartphones also carry GPS functions, but that's an aside.) Now will someone tell me again that smartphones will never replace laptops? What am I missing here? I can think of only one thing: someone concerned about anyone else, including a third-party Cloud host, having any access to his stuff, even by accident. For example, I don't imagine that James Bond, if he were a real person, would care to store his notes on the Cloud, where Ernst Stavro Blofeld or his minions could hack into it and read them. But whoever is that concerned with his own security, might wind up paying more, not less, for desktop or laptop equipment with the passage of time. Am I right or wrong? Temlakos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 21:32, schrieb Temlakos: On 03/20/2013 03:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/20/2013 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: There will continue to be high-end workstations with whatever features you want that aren't in mobile devices, Like keyboards big enough for touch typing? Auxiliary keyboards big enough, as you say, for touch typing, are under development right now. As we speak. The even bigger item will be a Cloud-based back-end application that will directly transcribe your spoken dictation. and the next homeuser which never saw people WORKING with their computers or how do you imagine this with speech-to-text? hint: it is impossible signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 01:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if you would know about you are speaking you would know that you NEVER can virtualize a x86 CPU on ARM architecture I do, but you're still missing several key points. First, Intel is working quite hard to get x86 CPUs into these mobile devices. They want a piece of this action. Second, even if we give up x86, many users don't care The future of computing is not in the stranglehold of backward compatibility. So, I'll repeat myself. Yes, there will be a niche that's filled by the same systems we have today. Large computers running legacy code, providing whatever doesn't fit in a mobile package. However, that's likely to become increasingly niche. this does not help you to run legacy apps and i still speak of WORKING with computers So do I. I'm an IT contractor. I've been a system administrator since 1997. I write software. You don't have to convince me that we'll always need keyboards and large screens. I couldn't work without them. But I could dock a small computer into a fixed keyboard and monitor, do my work, and then take my computer with me when I leave. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 12:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Like keyboards big enough for touch typing? Yes, but probably not limited to that. As I pointed out earlier, we've already seen mobile devices that dock into workstation or laptop form-factor docs, and I expect we'll see more of those in the future. In that case, the mobile devices *will* feature full size keyboards. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 01:32 PM, Temlakos wrote: Auxiliary keyboards big enough, as you say, for touch typing, are under development right now. As we speak. Over a dozen years ago, I had a PDA with a keyboard attachment. It worked fine, but it wasn't exactly convenient to carry. The whole point of a smartphone or tablet is convenience, and adding accessories that are larger than the original device seems a bit counter-intuitive. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Printer setup headache
On 20.03.2013 21:28, Jim wrote: ... Okay I have compiled foo2zjs and got my Samsung printer CLX-3175FN to print in Black and White and I have ghostscript installed, now how do I get it to print in COLOR ? Grayscale? http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/forum/ is your pal. http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/forum/read.php?63,3189 poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 01:41 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: Yes, but probably not limited to that. As I pointed out earlier, we've already seen mobile devices that dock into workstation or laptop form-factor docs, and I expect we'll see more of those in the future. In that case, the mobile devices *will* feature full size keyboards. But how mobile will those docks be? From what I can see, you can either be mobile or you can use your device for serious work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 21:40, schrieb Gordon Messmer: So, I'll repeat myself. Yes, there will be a niche that's filled by the same systems we have today. Large computers running legacy code, providing whatever doesn't fit in a mobile package. However, that's likely to become increasingly niche. what you guys not realize is the simple fact that currently a) mobile devices are hyped b) not that much workstations are sold becaus eno need a few years ago a new desktop PC gave you a huge performance boost, these days with 4x3.4 GHz Sandy Brdige machines having 16 GB of RAM and some TB storage you do not need a new machine for at least 5 years and probably longer only a idiot would replace a i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz Sandy Bridge with a i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz Ivy Bdrige, and yes i have both of them because i was in the position to do a drop-in-replacement by get a new machine which doe snot need power and switched the disks of my home-server in it, it's faster but not that much and the siwtch was only done because the hardware was there so what - you need all two years a new mobile device by lack of updates and planned obsolescence and some naive people start to believe hey desktops are dying any bet that in 5-6 years all this low-brainers will rub their eyes because the large amount of sold desktops and the biggest mistake developers can do is cripple down desktop interfaces to smartphones in the meantime SUMMARY: nobody, really nobody needs Fedora on smartphones there are eonugh systems for them and we do not need every distribution on the planet there instead SPECIALIZED ones which really fit compared to half baken compromises signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 20.03.2013 21:35, Reindl Harald wrote: ... hint: it is impossible Party braker! :) If they are persistent, let people learn on their mistakes. poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 07:16 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 03/20/2013 10:32 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: Just because tablets and smartphones are en vogue at the moment doesn't mean that there isn't a place for more traditional form factors in the future. That's probably true to some extent. However, have you ever actually seen an Atrix workstation or laptop? Sure, these beasts certainly have their use-case, ... as extended mobile mediaplayers etc., but not as full replacement for desktops. I for one compare tablets to motorcyles vs. cars/trucks. motorcyles are fun, nice as complementary mobility platform, but they are no replacement for cars/trucks in many situations. Consider this: You have a fully functional workstation at your desk. You finish up what you're doing and pull the computer out of its dock. The computer has all of your apps, all of your configurations, and all of your data. You can use many of those apps on the computer's 4 touch screen. If you need a larger screen or a keyboard, you break out your laptop form-factor dock and plug the computer in to it. Presto, you have all of your apps and data on a laptop and continue your work. Well, I've read similar texts, when laptops became available and affordable, back in the 1990s. As we all have experienced, they haven't swept away the desktop nor did docked laptops gain a significant market share. IMO, because laptops etc. suffer from the same limitations as tablets do, these days (Non-extendible, under-powered, etc.). Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 22:01, schrieb poma: On 20.03.2013 21:35, Reindl Harald wrote: ... hint: it is impossible Party braker! :) If they are persistent, let people learn on their mistakes the problem is that i would be affected too by the stupid try to make a one-for-all operating system which fits all and nothing if developers can not resist for me personally it does not matter if somebody is throwing away all his machines and buys a smartphone to replace them as also it doe snot bother me how many people are using Linux, Windows or OSX at all as long it has no negative impact on my workload and wy too often the make all idiot proof attitude has signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 09:32 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 03/20/2013 03:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/20/2013 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: There will continue to be high-end workstations with whatever features you want that aren't in mobile devices, Like keyboards big enough for touch typing? Think that's the stuff of science fiction? Well, hold onto your seat, because voice command is already a feature of most smartphones Nothing new - It already was available for PCs 10years+ ago. that use the i- and Android OS and, I presume, the WinPhone OS, too. From command to dictation is a step that I predict will take not more than five years to take. That's what Dragon told us 10years+ ago ... They have been proven wrong. Command to dictation is a _huge_ step, nobody so far has been able to overcome. Now will someone tell me again that smartphones will never replace laptops? Yes. They might be able to replace laptops for those folks who don't need much more than a mediaplayer/phone/webbrowser, but for anybody else, esp. those in the professional field, smartphones are no alternative to desktops. What am I missing here? Try to insert a 4 TB HD, try to extend its RAM, try to replace the CPU, replace the battery, try to ... ? You say, you don't need this - Likely, today. ... 2 years ahead, you likely would want to be able to do so, instead of having to throw away your smartphone ;) Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [389-users] Using JNDI and 389DS
Hi Rohit, Months back Arpit responded to my similar query in this forum and it worked. I am just re-posting his steps here. The only difference is just ignore the slave certificate generation and all should be good. How about creating one CA cert signing all RHDS server from same CA, Then all you have to do is to import only one CA in clients. Create a CA Cerfificate # certutil -S -n CA certificate -s cn=CA cert,dc=directory,dc=example,dc=com -2 -x -t CT,, -m 1000 -v 720 -d . -k rsa Make sure you say yes to Is this a CA certificate [y/N]? and everything else will be default. Next we create your Server Cert. Important - Make sure your cn is your FQDN of this server. Create cert for ldap1.example.com on ldap1.example.com # certutil -S -n directory-Server-Cert-1 -s cn=ldap1.example.com -c CA certificate -t u,u,u -m 1001 -v 720 -d . -k rsa Create cert for ldap2.example.com on ldap1.example.com # certutil -S -n directory-Server-Cert-2 -s cn=ldap2.example.com -c CA certificate -t u,u,u -m 1002 -v 120 -d . -k rsa Then check to make sure it looks ok # certutil -L -n directory-Server-Cert-2 -d . Export keys certs for ldap2.example.com # pk12util -d . -o server2.p12 -n directory-Server-Cert-2 # certutil -L -d . -n CA certificate -a cacert.asc Copy the 'server2.p12' and 'cacert.asc' created above to the 2nd Red Hat Directory Server. Create your public ca for your clients. # certutil -d . -L -n CA certificate -a my-public-ca.asc While logged in to the 2nd RHDS i.e. ldap2.example.com, run the following: # service dirsrv stop # cd /etc/disrv/slapd-INSTANCE2/ # mv /path/to/server2.p12 /etc/dirsrv/slapd-INSTANCE2/ # mv /path/to/cacert.asc /etc/dirsrv/slapd-INSTANCE2/ # pk12util -d . -i server2.p12 # certutil -A -d . -n CA certificate -t CT,, -a -i cacert.asc # service dirsrv start Thanks Chandan On Wednesday, March 20, 2013, Chaudhari, Rohit K. wrote: Hey everyone, I need help implementing a client-server SSL connection. I've been researching on the web and I have no idea how to get my Java application to talk to the 389DS securely. I have been looking into keytool and JSSE, but there is no clear cut explanation on how it should be done. I have a self-signed CA certificate that I created using certutil, and then a server certificate generated from that self-signed CA. Is there anyone who knows a path to a solution? Thanks, Rohit -- -- http://about.me/chandank -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] 389-ds-base-devel and rhel6
On 03/20/2013 02:42 PM, Robert Viduya wrote: I'm trying to set up 389 on an RHEL6 server, all our previous installs have been on RHEL5 or earlier. We have a locally developed plugin and we need the include files from package 389-ds-base-devel. I've got both epel and epel-389-ds-base configured as repos. However, yum is balking at installing that particular dev package with the following: Error: Package: 389-ds-base-devel-1.2.10.26-1.el6_3.x86_64 (epel-389-ds-base) Requires: svrcore-devel I think this is the problem - in order to get the -devel packages, with EL6, you need to enable the optional repos: rhel-x86_64-workstation-optional-6RHEL Workstation Option 5,220 rhel-x86_64-workstation-supplementary-6 RHEL Workstation Supple398 and the debuginfo channels wouldn't hurt either rhel-x86_64-workstation-6-debuginfo RHEL Workstation Debugi 4,352 rhel-x86_64-workstation-optional-6-debuginfo RHEL Workstation Option 2,526 rhel-x86_64-workstation-supplementary-6-debuginfo RHEL Workstation Supple 2 Error: Package: 389-ds-base-devel-1.2.10.26-1.el6_3.x86_64 (epel-389-ds-base) Requires: 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.10.26-1.el6_3 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.8.2-1.el6.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.8.2-1.el6 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.8.2-1.el6_1.3.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.8.2-1.el6_1.3 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.9.14-1.el6.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.9.14-1.el6 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.9.14-1.el6_2.2.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.9.14-1.el6_2.2 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.2-15.el6.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.10.2-15.el6 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.2-18.el6_3.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.10.2-18.el6_3 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.2-20.el6_3.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.10.2-20.el6_3 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.12-1.el6.x86_64 (epel-389-ds-base) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.10.12-1.el6 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.14-1.el6.x86_64 (epel-389-ds-base) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.10.14-1.el6 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.26-1.el6_3.x86_64 (epel-389-ds-base) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.10.26-1.el6_3 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.11.15-11.el6.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.11.15-11.el6 Available: 389-ds-base-libs-1.2.11.15-12.el6_4.i686 (rhel-x86_64-server-6) 389-ds-base-libs = 1.2.11.15-12.el6_4 I've tried enabling and disabling either repo with no success. Am I missing something simple? -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
udev ate my network
Hi all, Using f18. Lot's of nice improvements. I don't use NetworkManager. I use network. All my network info is in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. Everything was working well until I replaced a motley crue of network adapters with a quad port adapter. udev hijacked everything. Can't make it go away. Can't figure out why it decided to raise its ugly head. the ifcfg-eth? scripts have correct HWADDR mac address and their DEVICE and NAME values are correct. udev suddenly wants to rename everything back and forth. Using advice from this list I created 70-persistent-net rules which recreates the original ifcfg setup and what I originally intended but now pauses for 30 seconds while it complains that udev is buggy and nothing will work after it maybe gets fixed. Worked well until I replaced the NICs. Anybody know how to turn this work-in-progess off? Searched through the list history and found five related emails but none that help here :) Volunteers? Thanks, Mike Wright -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 20.03.2013 22:20, Reindl Harald wrote: ... for me personally it does not matter if somebody is throwing away all his machines and buys a smartphone to replace them as also it doe snot bother me how many people are using Linux, Windows or OSX at all as long it has no negative impact on my workload and wy too often the make all idiot proof attitude has Can't rain all the time. poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17 ipv4 inactive
On 03/20/2013 12:07 PM, Frank Murphy issued this missive: Have googled, and done all I can think NIC works fine with F17-boot disc in rescue mode. cat5 cables have been changed and work on other nodes. Box normally gets it's reserved-ip from Dovado router. Jumbo frames disabled on everything # ifconfig eth0 up # ifconfig eth0: flags=-28669UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,DYNAMIC mtu 1500 ether 00:22:3f:f1:f2:d8 txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 21 bytes 2853 (2.7 KiB) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 6 bytes 468 (468.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 lo: flags=73UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 scopeid 0x10host loop txqueuelen 0 (Local Loopback) RX packets 12 bytes 840 (840.0 B) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 12 bytes 840 (840.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 # cat ifcfg-eth0 # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt # for the documentation of these parameters. DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Ethernet HWADDR=00:22:3f:f1:f2:d8 DHCP_HOSTNAME=mybox ONBOOT=yes IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=yes NM_CONTROLLED=no USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no NETWORKING_IPV6=no ifconfig eth0 up does NOT invoke the DHCP client software needed to get an IP from your DHCP server. The old ifup eth0 should do it, or run the dhclient app yourself (as root). # ifconfig eth0 up # dhclient eth0 -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained.- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 05:44 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/20/2013 09:32 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 03/20/2013 03:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/20/2013 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: There will continue to be high-end workstations with whatever features you want that aren't in mobile devices, Like keyboards big enough for touch typing? Think that's the stuff of science fiction? Well, hold onto your seat, because voice command is already a feature of most smartphones Nothing new - It already was available for PCs 10years+ ago. that use the i- and Android OS and, I presume, the WinPhone OS, too. From command to dictation is a step that I predict will take not more than five years to take. That's what Dragon told us 10years+ ago ... They have been proven wrong. Command to dictation is a _huge_ step, nobody so far has been able to overcome. Now will someone tell me again that smartphones will never replace laptops? Yes. They might be able to replace laptops for those folks who don't need much more than a mediaplayer/phone/webbrowser, but for anybody else, esp. those in the professional field, smartphones are no alternative to desktops. What am I missing here? Try to insert a 4 TB HD, try to extend its RAM, try to replace the CPU, replace the battery, try to ... ? You say, you don't need this - Likely, today. ... 2 years ahead, you likely would want to be able to do so, instead of having to throw away your smartphone ;) Ralf Ah, but I never said a smartphone would carry terabytes of added storage. The pundits are saying that you won't need all that storage. All your data will stay on The Cloud, and you will access it with a username and password, same as you do for any subscription service today. You will create and save documents on The Cloud, with a back-end word-processing application. Then you will send e-mail for a short document, or if it's much longer, you'll send a read-only link to your book-length manuscript that will stay on The Cloud, at your designated directory, and you will need your username and password to get read-write access. Turbo Tax for Business will go the way of Turbo Tax for individuals: completely on-line. Smartphones might bring back the stylus, so you can draw your cursive signature to attach to any document that needs one. So you sign your tax return and send it to the IRS (or Inland Revenue, or /Der Finanzwaltungen der Länder/, or whatever tax office have you). For really important documents, you print to the nearest print device having a wireless connection to The Cloud. Typically, such a printer will reside in the office of a local Notary Public or Justice of the Peace, or in a courthouse or law office. That's the vision. Now I realize that many of you simply can't believe that things will ever come to that pass. Now what else do you need 4 TB of storage for? The usual large file is a video for a one-, two-, or three-hour motion-picture or television program. The next size down is a music track. The idea here is that everyone will subscribe to one of a handful of services. Pay a fixed amount, say 20 USD or 15 EUR; get a link to play a certain movie title, or album, to your smartphone wherever you are, whenever you want. (And maybe 1 EUR or 1.3 USD for what we call a single -- one track.) No more CD, DVD, Blu-ray, or other optical medium. No more ripping. Now the one thing the pundits have not addressed adequately is: security. They define security strictly in terms of accidental loss of data. Against that, The Cloud is getting better every year. In ten years, it might be well-nigh impervious. And accessory to copyright violation will go away, if everyone now subscribes to digital content, as I described above. But: what about unauthorized access to data? And what about malicious destruction of data? Maybe The Cloud can guard its servers against brute-force erasure or corruption. But what about the one who maliciously corrupts the user database, so suddenly The Cloud forgets who you are? Or worse: hijacks your account so that you can't even tell The Cloud who you are, and your data, finances, etc. are in the hands of an impostor. Here in America we call that identity theft. (/Identitätsdiebstahl/) And--I realize this is almost totally off topic, and beyond scope for many of you, but I'll say it anyway--there are classes of individuals who keep /very/ sensitive data, in the form of political broadsides or plans of preparation against economic and social collapse, that they do /not/ want known. Especially by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Scotland Yard, /La Sureté nationale/, /Der Bundeskriminalamt/, Interpol, etc. I think you can well imagine that members of that class of computer users will feel threatened as they never felt threatened before. And they won't be able to afford a private Cloud. OK--those are the two sides of the debate on whether mobile devices will ever totally supplant
Re: udev ate my network
Do you still have the original 70-persistent-net.rules? Instead creating a new one, I would modify the original one to make sure syntax is correct. After a reboot check what you have in dmesg and compare to rules from udev in a file and ifcfg files. Make sure that they are consistent. That should fix the problem for you. Regards, Grzegorz On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.comwrote: Hi all, Using f18. Lot's of nice improvements. I don't use NetworkManager. I use network. All my network info is in /etc/sysconfig/network-**scripts. Everything was working well until I replaced a motley crue of network adapters with a quad port adapter. udev hijacked everything. Can't make it go away. Can't figure out why it decided to raise its ugly head. the ifcfg-eth? scripts have correct HWADDR mac address and their DEVICE and NAME values are correct. udev suddenly wants to rename everything back and forth. Using advice from this list I created 70-persistent-net rules which recreates the original ifcfg setup and what I originally intended but now pauses for 30 seconds while it complains that udev is buggy and nothing will work after it maybe gets fixed. Worked well until I replaced the NICs. Anybody know how to turn this work-in-progess off? Searched through the list history and found five related emails but none that help here :) Volunteers? Thanks, Mike Wright -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/**Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On 03/20/2013 11:57 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 20:05 +1030, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 23:41 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I've just completed the first exercise for using inkscape, which is to draw a Swedish flag. I saved it as a PDF and emailed it to a Swedish friend, but all he got when he viewed the image was an empty rectangle. It seems the trouble is that somewhere in the mail system, Check the MIME type that your mailer is sending it as. It should be a binary one specific to the actual file type. And the file should be not be converted, in any way, at either end. However, if you're mistakenly sending it as a text/plain attachment, mail systems may do whatever they usually do as text files go through them, which can include translating line endings. Likewise, if their end doesn't properly handle the type of attachment that it's receiving. Some systems label PDF files as simply being application/octet-stream, which just means generic non-specific binary, and some systems mishandle such files. When you say you saved it as a PDF, are you actually saving as a PDF filetype, or just tacking PDF onto the end of the filename? Related to that, are you sending a PDF file type without giving it a PDF filename? I'm a little perplexed. Linux doesn't mark files with their type, as Mac systems do. The file has a .pdf extension, and the file command shows it as PDF type. $ file SwedishFlag.pdf SwedishFlag.pdf: PDF document, version 1.5 How did you email it? What mail program did you use? The email program is evolution. I clicked Send. Here is the start of the section of the message containing the attachment in question: Content-Type: application/pdf; name=SwedishFlag.pdf Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline; filename=SwedishFlag.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've attached a copy of SwedishFlag.pdf. Also SwedishFlag.zip, as suggested in an earlier posting. Let's see what the mail system does to them in Linux systems. Thanks - jon Opens and displays correctly in CentOS 6.4 using default document viewer. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
Am 20.03.2013 23:19, schrieb Temlakos: Ah, but I never said a smartphone would carry terabytes of added storage. The pundits are saying that you won't need all that storage. All your data will stay on The Cloud, and you will access it with a username and password, same as you do for any subscription service today. You will create and save documents on The Cloud, with a back-end word-processing application. Then you will send e-mail for a short document, or if it's much longer, you'll send a read-only link to your book-length manuscript that will stay on The Cloud, at your designated directory, and you will need your username and password to get read-write access have fun - but have it your own * have fun if the service provider closes his doors * have fun if they have a intrusion and all your docs are public * have fun make your self completly depending on a comapny * have fun with integrity of your data * have fun with legal aspects if it are working data yes, of course, this stupidity will happen and some years later having your own storgae will be a glory improvment of the new IT as over decades always the same bullshit get sold as the new big thing because enough people are that naive signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On 03/20/13 23:57, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Here is the start of the section of the message containing the attachment in question: Content-Type: application/pdf; name=SwedishFlag.pdf Content-Description: Content-Disposition: inline; filename=SwedishFlag.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It would be hard to believe But, one plausible explanation is that the MTA of the receiving side, or an in between hop, isn't 8bit clean. If the zip, which is base64 encoded, makes it and all displays well then it most likely the case. -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Creating an rpm from scratch
poma wrote: On 16.03.2013 19:21, Bill Davidsen wrote: ... Again, thanks, it appears that the good old days are gone. :-( http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ ;) Thanks, I'll take a look at that. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Creating an rpm from scratch
Jared K. Smith wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Sounds like NO, there has been progress in documentation since 2.5 days, but sounds like it all has to be created by hand in terms of scripts, spec files, etc. Thanks, but if it hasn't gotten less time consuming in 12-15 years, let it be someone else's time. Have you looked at the Packager's Guide in the Fedora Docs? It's still in draft status, but seems to be a very nice modern refresh of the RPM documentation. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Packagers_Guide/index.html Thank you, I confess that I generally assume Draft Documentation is more intended to be read by those who know the topic and can catch technical errors. I will take a look, since the nice tool which made the process easy seems not readily available. For one group, I confess I probably would do as well to build static binaries independent of their shortcomings. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Creating an rpm from scratch
Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.03.2013 18:30, schrieb Jared K. Smith: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: what the hell did you not understand in rpmbuild Your tone is not appropriate... it sounds like the original poster either doesn't have a spec file to begin with, or doesn't understand it. There's no reason to talk down to him like this the problem was that the OP did even not have Fedora and YUM and if he would state this at the very first begin of the thread i would not have answered in the whole thread because i do not know how tu build RPM's on other distributions nor i am interested in do it I can't imagine why you would think I wasn't using Fedora, other than perhaps confusing Doug and I through lack of attention to detail. either doesn't have a spec file to begin with well, and that is why i started with unpack a existing src.rpm and look at the SPEC file which is cleraly doable for packages which are only a few KB small and have SPEC files with lower than 100 lines As I said before, there is no existing SPEC for this package. Since I have used a tool which asked questions in human readable form so you could go through it quickly, I was looking for a similar tool, which I'm now willing to assume is no longer maintained. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Mail system trashes Swedish flag
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.netwrote: I've attached a copy of SwedishFlag.pdf. Also SwedishFlag.zip, as suggested in an earlier posting. Let's see what the mail system does to them in Linux systems. Thanks - jon Using view from within google mail (Via Firefox on Fedora18) on the .pdf attachment I see a blank square. Using view on the zip attachment I get a new page with the zip contents were I can select view again on the contained file and then am presented with a proper Swedish flag. Murry -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Interesting observation on fedup to fc18
After upgrading via fedup to fc18, I noted with surprise that the NIC was
renamed from eth0 to p17xx. Since I had se the system biosnames to return ethN
on all single NIC desktops, I expected that to be carried forward in an upgrade.
As you would expect all the inst scripts failed and the system never came up.
In case it's useful to someone else who is unhappy with upgrades breaking things
they need not, here's my fix:
# because every upgrade of Fedora changes the name of the damn default NIC,
# get it from the system rather than using what you want.
NIC=$(ip route | awk '/default/{print $5}')
And to get the IP on the NIC (I run DHCP to set the IP, reverse DNS to get the
real machine name.
# save the IP
eth0IP=$(ifconfig ${NIC} | awk '/^ *inet /{print $2}' | sed 's/.*://')
Note that the IP determination works for old versions of ifconfig which return a
different information format.
Hope this helps someone.
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we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010
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Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 01:50 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Over a dozen years ago, I had a PDA with a keyboard attachment. It worked fine, but it wasn't exactly convenient to carry. The whole point of a smartphone or tablet is convenience, and adding accessories that are larger than the original device seems a bit counter-intuitive. Indeed. Most of the time, I only want to carry my phone. When I work on-site, I want to carry my laptop. Right now, I have to carry my phone AND my laptop. If the phone docked in the laptop as a peripheral, I'd actually be carrying less than I do now. And when I'm at home, I'd dock the phone into a full size monitor and keyboard. I'd have my data with me all the time, without having to sync between multiple devices. How does that not sound awesome? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 01:52 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: But how mobile will those docks be? From what I can see, you can either be mobile or you can use your device for serious work. Do you use your laptop for serious work? I do. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smartphones/smartphones-like-motorola-atrix-can-replace-corporate-desktops/2350 A phone sized device, with the appropriate software, could be just as serious as the laptop that I use today. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On 03/20/2013 01:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: what you guys not realize is the simple fact that currently Seriously, Reindl. Slow down. We realize. We totally do. What you don't realize is that we're not telling you what you should use. You can use whatever you want. If you don't want to carry your PC with you, then don't. You'll get along, just like you do now. However, I look forward to the availability of highly mobile PCs which dock into whatever form factor is most convenient for me at any given time. I think that's fantastic. You get to choose what works best for you, and so does everyone else. Large parts of the industry expects PCs in the future to be more mobile, just like desktop PCs are smaller than mini-computers, which were smaller than mainframes. It's hard to look at the history of computing and disagree. It's hard to look at modern sales and disagree. I'm convinced, and I look forward to it. Computers have gotten smaller and better with each decade, and another generation of shrinking is just as welcome as the last one. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
hibernate with keystroke?
Hi, I have been trying to get to hibernate using a single keystroke. So, here is what i tried: put pm-hibernate in my sudo. Checked this by using: sudo pm-hibernate This works without a hitch. Then I keyed in ctrl-f12 to be equivalent to sudo pm-hibernate. (also tried sudo /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate). Tried this, but this does not work. Pretty much nothing happens. I am quite confident that there is nothing wrong with the syntax because I replaced it with (say) slock and it locks the screen just fine. What should I be doing here? Alternatively, what is the command that is executed when I go through gnome-logout and then press hibernate? I would just like to mimic that, I guess. Many thanks for any help/suggestions! Best wishes, Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Quit simplifying, streamlining and improving
Hi; I have been away from the Fedora Users list for quite awhile. I am doing a virgin install of Fedora 18. I have had the damnedest time getting Serious Cow downloaded. It is done. But one message. Quit simplifying, streamlining and improving things without telling people. -- Regards Bill Fedora 16, Gnome 3.2.1 Evo.3.2.3, Emacs 23.3.1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Creating an rpm from scratch
On 21.03.2013 01:20, Bill Davidsen wrote:
poma wrote:
On 16.03.2013 19:21, Bill Davidsen wrote:
...
Again, thanks, it appears that the good old days are gone. :-(
http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ ;)
Thanks, I'll take a look at that.
wget -c
http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/files/source/checkinstall-1.6.2.tar.gz
tar xf checkinstall-1.6.2.tar.gz
cd checkinstall-1.6.2/
patch -p1 ../checkinstall-1.6.2.novus.patch[1]
make
su
make install
/usr/local/sbin/checkinstall -R [-y] --fstrans=no --exclude=/sys
rpm -ivh /root/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/checkinstall-1.6.2-1.x86_64.rpm
Checkinstall is an ad hoc packaging solution, not related to the Fedora
packaging guidelines.
poma
[1] http://www.patrickmin.com/linux/tip.php?name=checkinstall_fedora_13
diff -ur checkinstall-1.6.2/checkinstall checkinstall-1.6.2.novus/checkinstall
--- checkinstall-1.6.2/checkinstall 2009-12-26 20:17:24.0 +0100
+++ checkinstall-1.6.2.novus/checkinstall 2013-03-21 03:32:59.326844112 +0100
@@ -468,10 +468,10 @@
if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
if [ deref_parents -eq 1 ]; then
# Add the -h option to the tar command for dereferencing
-$TAR --no-recursion -C ${root} -cphf - $files | $TAR -f - -xvpC \
+$TAR --no-recursion -C ${root} -cphf - $files | $TAR -f - -xvpPC \
${dest}
else
-$TAR --no-recursion -C ${root} -cpf - $files | $TAR -f - -xvpC \
+$TAR --no-recursion -C ${root} -cpf - $files | $TAR -f - -xvpPC \
${dest}
fi
@@ -1548,7 +1548,7 @@
$INSTALLWATCH --logfile=${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp --exclude=${IEXCLUDE} \
--root=${TMP_DIR} --transl=${TRANSLATE} --backup=${BACKUP} --dbglvl=$DEBUG\
- $TMP_SCRIPT /${TMP_DIR}/install.log
+ $TMP_SCRIPT ${TMP_DIR}/install.log
okfail
INSTALL_FAILED=$?
@@ -1586,7 +1586,7 @@
(echo
echogn ' ***\n Installation results. You can find them in\n %s\n ***\n' ${TMP_DIR}/install.log
- cat /${TMP_DIR}/install.log) | $PAGER
+ cat ${TMP_DIR}/install.log) | $PAGER
fi
fi
@@ -1635,30 +1635,30 @@
# Find regular files first
[ $DEBUG -gt 0 ] echo debug: BASE_TMP_DIR: $BASE_TMP_DIR
- cat /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | egrep -v '^[-0-9][0-9]*[[:space:]]*(unlink|access)' | cut -f 3 | egrep -v ^(/dev|$BASE_TMP_DIR|/tmp) | sort -u /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles
+ cat ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | egrep -v '^[-0-9][0-9]*[[:space:]]*(unlink|access)' | cut -f 3 | egrep -v ^(/dev|$BASE_TMP_DIR|/tmp) | sort -u ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles
# symlinks are next
- cat /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | egrep -v '^[-0-9][0-9]*[[:space:]]*(unlink|access)' | cut -f 4 | egrep -v ^(/dev|$BASE_TMP_DIR|/tmp) | grep -v #success | sort -u /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles
+ cat ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | egrep -v '^[-0-9][0-9]*[[:space:]]*(unlink|access)' | cut -f 4 | egrep -v ^(/dev|$BASE_TMP_DIR|/tmp) | grep -v #success | sort -u ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles
# Create another list of modified files that exclude all files the
# install script wanted to create but did not, e.g because they already
# existed.
-egrep #success$ /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | cut -f 3 | sort -u \
-/${TMP_DIR}/modified
-egrep #success$ /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | cut -f 4 \
-| egrep -v #success | sort -u /${TMP_DIR}/modified
+egrep #success$ ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | cut -f 3 | sort -u \
+${TMP_DIR}/modified
+egrep #success$ ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp | cut -f 4 \
+| egrep -v #success | sort -u ${TMP_DIR}/modified
# OK, now we clean it up a bit
- mv /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.installwatch
- sort -u /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles | uniq | while read file; do
+ mv ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.installwatch
+ sort -u ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles | uniq | while read file; do
if [ -e ${TRANSLROOT}${file} ]; then
- echo $file /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp
+ echo $file ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp
else
FILE_SYM=`file ${TRANSLROOT}${file} | grep 'symbolic link'`
- [ ${FILE_SYM} != ] echo $file /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp
+ [ ${FILE_SYM} != ] echo $file ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp
fi
done
- cp /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles
+ cp ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles
# Don't include anything under the directories specified with --exclude
@@ -1666,17 +1666,17 @@
for exclude in `echo $EXCLUDE | awk '{ split ($0, files,,); for(i=1; files[i] != ; i++) print files[i];}'`; do
if [ -d $exclude ]; then # If it's a directory, ignore everything below it
- egrep -v ^$exclude /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles /${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp
+ egrep -v ^$exclude ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles ${TMP_DIR}/newfiles.tmp
else
if [ -f $exclude ]; then # If it's a file, ignore just this
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:38 -0600, Peter Gueckel wrote: I have been looking at smartphones and tablets (I presently own neither, due to outrageous monthly fees and lengthy contracts), as I am starting to feel that I no longer want to do without mobility. However, how does Fedora fit into this? Is there a way to put Fedora onto a tablet or smartphone? Ubuntu offers an intriguing compromise, for users of an Android phone. Hook up a keyboard and monitor and run Ubuntu, so you don't exactly have your full system in your hand, but you _do_ have it in your pocket. Pretty cool, but it's not KDE-Fedora! How do you go about it? use Ubuntu for this - Canonical is paying people to develop and test this software and as far as a normal Linux OS on ARM hardware goes, they really are in the lead. Perhaps some day Fedora will have an install package for this if they don't have something already. Also - you probably will not want to use KDE at this stage either since there are other DE's that are touch enabled. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 12:58 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/20/2013 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: There will continue to be high-end workstations with whatever features you want that aren't in mobile devices, Like keyboards big enough for touch typing? why type? Just use speech. I do. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:24:09 -0700 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: why type? Just use speech. I do. What mobile device do you use? And how do you manage bi-lingual documents (e.g. eng/jap or eng/fra, etc.) using a recognition software? -- nomnex nom...@gmail.com Freenode: nomnex Registered Linux user #505281. Be counted at: http://linuxcounter.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
