date:20130709

On 07/09/13 20:16, Cristian Sava wrote:
>
> Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix.
> Why selinux is not complaining with an AVC?
>

Problem is now fixed in selinux-policy-3.12.1-62.fc19.

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=432416

To get the early download.


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Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-09 Thread Suvayu Ali

On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 04:29:02PM -0400, staticsafe wrote:
> http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/
> 
> May he rest in peace.

Sad news indeed.  My condolences.

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

On 07/09/2013 05:27 PM, staticsafe wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 05:16:58PM -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>> Oh! ok.that explains it! So then theoretically I should be able to
>> use the fedup-cli command and upgrade my system, without having anything
>> change except the versions of the applications installed on my
>> systemright? And the things that are "deprecated" (no longer
>> suppoerted?) will be replaced with things that ARE?...(and I know these
>> might sound like "stoopid"questions, but when I went from F17 to F18 I
>> had nothing to lose...the system was brand new...and I had been running
>> 17 for about a month or two but now?...I have amassed a LOT of stuff!)
>>
>>
>> EGO II
>>
>>
>> EGO II
> Theoretically yes, but as always with any major system operations,
> *back up* any important data. 
But of COURSE! LoL!


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F19 x86_64 Live DVD

2013-07-09 Thread Robert G. (Doc) Savage

The downloaded iso image for the Live DVD passes CHECKSUM just fine, but
the DVD won't boot on my ThinkPad W700. The error message says "No valid
operating system". Both Installation DVD and NetInstall CD will boot
just fine. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

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Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-09 Thread Joe Klemmer

T_POL  wrote:
>Sad News.
>RIP
>
>On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:29:02 -0400
>staticsafe  wrote:
>
>>
>http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/
>> 
>> May he rest in peace.

Oh shit!  I lost touch with him a couple years ago but was just thinking about 
him last week.  This is insane.

Joe

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Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-09 Thread T_POL

Sad News.
RIP

On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:29:02 -0400
staticsafe  wrote:

> http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/
> 
> May he rest in peace.

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Re: Urgent network help needed

2013-07-09 Thread Bill Davidsen


Rick Stevens wrote:

On 07/08/2013 02:00 PM, Timothy Murphy issued this missive:

I am away from home.
My wife at home cannot access the internet with her laptop.
I suspect the problem is in the home server I am responsible for.

In brief, the internet can be accessed from the CentOS-6.4 server.
Her laptop accesses a WiFi router which is connected to the server.
I have to confess that she is the only household member
running Windows - Windows XP in her case.
Connect to=>Show All Connections shows the WiFi connection is good.
But she cannot access the internet, or ping google, etc.

I can get access and login to the server from far away.
I see nothing wrong.
I have restarted the network, dhcpd and shorewall services.
I checked that forwarding is on.
I can ping my wife's laptop from the server.

Her setup has been working fine for months if not years,
accessing her work over VPN.
But now she is just trying to browse.

I'm not sure what tests I can run to diagnose the problem.
Any suggestions very gratefully received.
They may save a marriage ...


Step 1: Reboot the WiFi router. It may have lunched its routing tables.
It happens.

Step 2: Reboot her laptop. Not a warm boot (ctrl-alt-del), but
a full-tilt cold boot from power off. You say she uses a VPN to contact
work, and it's often that the VPN clients leave crumbs in Windows'
routing and DNS lookup tables.

Oh hell, that's it. The typical Cisco or similar VPN software packages don't 
allow access to anything BUT the VPN. Don't start the VPN and everything should 
work. Sorry, been years since I did that.



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Re: Urgent network help needed

2013-07-09 Thread Bill Davidsen


Timothy Murphy wrote:

I am away from home.
My wife at home cannot access the internet with her laptop.
I suspect the problem is in the home server I am responsible for.

In brief, the internet can be accessed from the CentOS-6.4 server.
Her laptop accesses a WiFi router which is connected to the server.
I have to confess that she is the only household member
running Windows - Windows XP in her case.
Connect to=>Show All Connections shows the WiFi connection is good.
But she cannot access the internet, or ping google, etc.

I can get access and login to the server from far away.
I see nothing wrong.
I have restarted the network, dhcpd and shorewall services.
I checked that forwarding is on.
I can ping my wife's laptop from the server.

Her setup has been working fine for months if not years,
accessing her work over VPN.
But now she is just trying to browse.

I'm not sure what tests I can run to diagnose the problem.
Any suggestions very gratefully received.
They may save a marriage ...

I would start with "man tcpdump" and watch the packets going to/from the net. I 
might guess it's a firewall issue, but without knowing way more about your 
setup, that's guess.



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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)


On 07/09/2013 02:19 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

In defence of Reindl, I don't see anything wrong with emphasizing words.
This particular posting did not strike me as "violent and aggressive",
and I didn't see any profanity in it, let alone "excessive profanity".


And, listing only the emphasized words out of context makes it hard to 
judge why he emphasized them.  I'm not going to accuse the poster in 
question of trying to make things look worse than they were, but it did 
make it much too easy for somebody "coming in late" to get the wrong 
impression.


I'd also like to say that I doubt that Reindl and I would get along very 
well in person, but that I don't care.  He's very knowledgeable, he's 
willing to take the time to help others and for me, at least, that's all 
that matters.

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread staticsafe

On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 05:16:58PM -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> Oh! ok.that explains it! So then theoretically I should be able to
> use the fedup-cli command and upgrade my system, without having anything
> change except the versions of the applications installed on my
> systemright? And the things that are "deprecated" (no longer
> suppoerted?) will be replaced with things that ARE?...(and I know these
> might sound like "stoopid"questions, but when I went from F17 to F18 I
> had nothing to lose...the system was brand new...and I had been running
> 17 for about a month or two but now?...I have amassed a LOT of stuff!)
> 
> 
> EGO II
> 
> 
> EGO II

Theoretically yes, but as always with any major system operations,
*back up* any important data. 
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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 02:02 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 07/09/2013 02:46 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote:

What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't
installed?

Don't know that. Sorry.
Frédéric

Doesn't it kind of "put" it there?...as a default?...or will it
configure some sort of interface so that you can install it? Otherwise
it'll be the Command Line for you! LoL!




My laptop only has Xfce installed and uses lightdm, not gdm, but it 
still lists a GNOME session as well as the one I actually use.  I've no 
idea what would happen if I selected it, and I'm not really interested 
in trying.

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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Timothy Murphy

Michael Cronenworth wrote:

> On 07/08/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> *large*
>> *but*
>> *serious*
>> *ifÜ
>> *and* you have rate-controls *and then*
>> *pretty sure*
>> *really serious*
> 
> Reindl,
> 
> Please understand that your use of the English language comes across as
> violent and aggressive. Excessive accenting, excessive snipping, and
> excessive profanity make up a majority of your postings to Fedora
> mailing lists.

In defence of Reindl, I don't see anything wrong with emphasizing words.
This particular posting did not strike me as "violent and aggressive",
and I didn't see any profanity in it, let alone "excessive profanity".

Reindl is certainly fairly acerbic, but I have found his postings
very helpful on several occasions, and am perfectly happy
to put up with a certain sharpness in return.

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

On 07/09/2013 05:06 PM, Temlakos wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 05:04 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>> On 07/09/2013 03:08 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>> On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
 On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
>> So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a
>> different
>> session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
>> XFCE?...or MATE?...
> no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
> Frédéric
>
 But if it's an upgrade, shouldn't it remember your choice from before
 the upgrade?
>>> It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed.
>>> That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake
>>> someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network.
>>>
>>> Temlakos
>>
>> Hmmbut even the .iso comes with "Gnome" as the default interface
>> no?I remember when I had to download the F18 .iso, I was given "choices"
>> a to what desktop interface I wanted to see
>> Gnome...KDEXFCELXDE...etc.
>>
>>
>> EGO II
>
> The original poster had chosen a different desktop--but maybe because
> he used the --iso option, fedup took upon itself to change his desktop
> to Gnome.
>
> I used --network only. I started with KDE and finished with KDE.
>
> Temlakos
Oh! ok.that explains it! So then theoretically I should be able to
use the fedup-cli command and upgrade my system, without having anything
change except the versions of the applications installed on my
systemright? And the things that are "deprecated" (no longer
suppoerted?) will be replaced with things that ARE?...(and I know these
might sound like "stoopid"questions, but when I went from F17 to F18 I
had nothing to lose...the system was brand new...and I had been running
17 for about a month or two but now?...I have amassed a LOT of stuff!)


EGO II


EGO II
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Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

On 07/09/2013 04:29 PM, staticsafe wrote:
> http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/
>
> May he rest in peace.
Deepest condolences to his family! God bless them all!


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 05:04 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 07/09/2013 03:08 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote:

So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a
different
session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
XFCE?...or MATE?...

no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
Frédéric


But if it's an upgrade, shouldn't it remember your choice from before
the upgrade?

It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed.
That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake
someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network.

Temlakos


Hmmbut even the .iso comes with "Gnome" as the default interface
no?I remember when I had to download the F18 .iso, I was given "choices"
a to what desktop interface I wanted to see
Gnome...KDEXFCELXDE...etc.


EGO II


The original poster had chosen a different desktop--but maybe because he 
used the --iso option, fedup took upon itself to change his desktop to 
Gnome.


I used --network only. I started with KDE and finished with KDE.

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

On 07/09/2013 03:08 PM, Temlakos wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
 So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a
 different
 session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
 XFCE?...or MATE?...
>>>
>>> no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
>>> Frédéric
>>>
>>
>> But if it's an upgrade, shouldn't it remember your choice from before
>> the upgrade?
>
> It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed.
> That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake
> someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network.
>
> Temlakos


Hmmbut even the .iso comes with "Gnome" as the default interface
no?I remember when I had to download the F18 .iso, I was given "choices"
a to what desktop interface I wanted to see
Gnome...KDEXFCELXDE...etc.


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
>>> So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a
>>> different
>>> session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
>>> XFCE?...or MATE?...
>>
>> no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
>> Frédéric
>>
>
> But if it's an upgrade, shouldn't it remember your choice from before
> the upgrade?


Good point!


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

On 07/09/2013 02:46 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
>> What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't
>> installed?
> Don't know that. Sorry.
> Frédéric
Doesn't it kind of "put" it there?...as a default?...or will it
configure some sort of interface so that you can install it? Otherwise
it'll be the Command Line for you! LoL!


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

On 07/09/2013 02:45 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
>> So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different
>> session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
>> XFCE?...or MATE?...
> no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
> Frédéric
Oh!ok...cool! I'll be going forward with the upgrade later on this
weekor possibly this weekend! Can't wait!


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Re: Disabling ipv6

On 07/09/2013 02:27 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 10:58 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:
>>> Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope
>>> with some issue.
>>>  
>>> My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore?
>>> Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it
>>> is a technical overkill and only tackles the symptoms.
>> In my case, I have a completely IPv4 network, and a complete
>> impossibility to do IPv6 over the internet (I'd need an IP6 to 4 proxy
>> *OUTSIDE* of my ISP).  So...
>>
>>
> Somtimes we techinicians give advice based on an ideal world. :-) But on
> the real world disabling IPv6 everywhere is the *right* thing to do for
> many companies. if you don't have the need, don't have the knowledge and
> your hardware/software doesn't support it well, IPv6 is not only
> overhead with no added value but also may present a significant security
> risk. Just like you should disable any system service (specially network
> services) that you don't need to reduce a hacker attack surface on your
> network and servers.
>
>
> []s, Fernando Lozano
>
Good advice Fernando! even though I don't have IPV6 running anywhere on
my home network, my SISTER does, and I'm sure there are times when
she'll be tempted to do just as you said to alleviate some problem or
other...


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Killian

On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 20:46:58 +0200,   wrote:
>> What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't
>> installed?
>
> Don't know that. Sorry.
> Frédéric

I fedup'd (18->19) a system with only mate installed and it worked perfectly.
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[OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-09 Thread staticsafe

http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/

May he rest in peace.
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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 12:25 PM, Temlakos wrote:

Maybe you still haven't used fedup yet.


No.  There were so many horror stories about going from F17 to 18, 
either by fedup or fresh install that I've kept to 17.  Now, I'm seeing 
very few threads about failed upgrades to 19 so I'm going to upgrade my 
laptop RSN, and once that's stable, my desktop.  That way, if there's a 
problem with one the other's usable.

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Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Patrick Lists

On 07/09/2013 08:11 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM, James Hogarth wrote:

With regards to your suggestion that would result in 5.6 which is a potential
marked change from 5.5 - even more so than mariadb which is why it was kept at
5.5 this release... If you read the relevant threads in -devel you can follow
the reasoning...

Well, Mozilla has choosen to go with MySQL 5.6. First from Percona to
MariaDB and then MySQL...

So what? Mozilla happens to like/need the optimized subqueries. That's
one moving to MySQL (until MariaDB catches up) versus many moving away
from MySQL.

https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/340207301854113793
https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2013/05/30/upgrading-support-mozilla-org-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-2798

It's even faster! The horror!
https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2013/01/29/in-subqueries-in-mysql-5-6-are-optimized-away/

Yes and kernel 3.11 is probably faster than kernel 2.6.18. What's your
point?

But I'm sure MariaDB will suck up the changes in 5.6 in due time and
move its exciting developments to its code base... and claim it their
own...

Show proof that MariaDB claims code developed by others as their own.

But the truth is, the bulk of the developers moving MySQL forward seem
to be in Oracle's payroll...

Where's your proof? And even if so do you really think this will be the
case for much longer with the move to MariaDB by pretty much every major
distro on the planet?

despite MariaDB propagandists grinding
their collective teeth, waving their arms and yelling at the sky...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvxhzrMX421r4d22do1_400.jpg

(is there something wrong with your period key? It seems to get stuck a lot)

You sure seem aggravated by the Community's decision to move to MariaDB.

The rest is FUD... like this (you asked about FUD)

So is your email.

tinyurl.com/muktware-liars
vs reality http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f

That fine list of 10 bugs really shows that Oracle has the Community's
best interest at heart. Meanwhile on planet earth it was reported that
Oracle has switched MySQL to their internal help desk system. Please do
show us how the Community can access that help desk system to stay in
sync with every reported MySQL bug.

I'm sorry if my point of view is not the mainstream...

From your messages on Oracle related subjects on this list one can
easily deduct that you have a thing for Oracle. If Oracle is your pink
unicorn be my guest. But please refrain from sending rather bitter
sounding FUD to this list when things don't go so well for your precious
Oracle. Oracle's role in the F/OSS Community is declining. With the move
away from MySQL and that BerkeleyDB re-licensing stunt their stuff will
become increasingly irrelevant. There is nothing you can do about that
except maybe accept it and move on with your life.

And no, I won't engage in a flame war, so I'll stop this here.

Ok, I'll stop here too then.

Regards,
Patrick
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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 03:21 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 07/09/2013 12:08 PM, Temlakos wrote:


It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed.
That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake
someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network.


Oh, good.  I remember that the last time I used the old preupgrade, it 
defaulted back to Gnome 3, even though I had Xfce selected before.  Of 
course, that was before something went mung and I had to reinstall, 
leaving Gnome out completely.  I think it was the only time I ever 
actually used Gnome 3, and that was only long enough to figure out how 
to log out and correct it.


Maybe you still haven't used fedup yet. The fedup-cli command needs to 
know one thing, if you tell it nothing else: where to find the new 
versions of the software. I used network.


And then it examined every package I had, and simply looked on the 
network for the version from F19. And that included looking into every 
repository I was set up to use with yum.


When it was done, it said to reboot.

That's the part that took me a long time--two and one-half hours. But at 
the end of it, I was still using KDE, and had my existing background and 
other setups.


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 12:08 PM, Temlakos wrote:


It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed.
That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake
someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network.


Oh, good.  I remember that the last time I used the old preupgrade, it 
defaulted back to Gnome 3, even though I had Xfce selected before.  Of 
course, that was before something went mung and I had to reinstall, 
leaving Gnome out completely.  I think it was the only time I ever 
actually used Gnome 3, and that was only long enough to figure out how 
to log out and correct it.

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a 
different

session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
XFCE?...or MATE?...


no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
Frédéric



But if it's an upgrade, shouldn't it remember your choice from before 
the upgrade?


It does, actually. It upgrades whatever packages you have installed. 
That is, /if/ you use a straight network upgrade. I think the mistake 
someone made was to upgrade from .iso as well as network.


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 11:45 AM, Frédéric Bron wrote:

So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different
session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
XFCE?...or MATE?...


no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
Frédéric



But if it's an upgrade, shouldn't it remember your choice from before 
the upgrade?

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Frédéric Bron

> What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome isn't
> installed?

Don't know that. Sorry.
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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Frédéric Bron

> So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different
> session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
> XFCE?...or MATE?...

no, it's just the first time. Then it remembers your choice.
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Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-09 Thread Fernando Lozano

Hi,

> On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 10:58 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:
>> Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope
>> with some issue.
>>  
>> My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore?
>> Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it
>> is a technical overkill and only tackles the symptoms.
> In my case, I have a completely IPv4 network, and a complete
> impossibility to do IPv6 over the internet (I'd need an IP6 to 4 proxy
> *OUTSIDE* of my ISP).  So...
>
>
Somtimes we techinicians give advice based on an ideal world. :-) But on
the real world disabling IPv6 everywhere is the *right* thing to do for
many companies. if you don't have the need, don't have the knowledge and
your hardware/software doesn't support it well, IPv6 is not only
overhead with no added value but also may present a significant security
risk. Just like you should disable any system service (specially network
services) that you don't need to reduce a hacker attack surface on your
network and servers.


[]s, Fernando Lozano

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Stephen Berg (Contractor)


I had one good and two not so good experiences.

At home going from 18 to 19 went real smooth, no issues.  At work one 17 
to 19 and one 18 to 19 both had issues that I eventually muddled my way 
through.  Both of those were likely due to my use of a locally hosted 
mirror of the various repos.  So /etc/yum.conf didn't get updated and 
left a bunch of packages to be updated with a few dependency issues to 
resolve.  But after a whole lot of work with yum and rpm I have both of 
those systems working fine and using our local repos once again.


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Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Steven Stern

On 07/09/2013 01:23 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> On 09/07/13 20:11, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> And no, I won't engage in a flame war, so I'll stop this here.
> 
> No you won't you just start it.
> 
But, to get back to the OP's question -- which didn't seem to get much
on-topic love -- no, there's no problem with WordPress running with MariaDB.

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Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Erik P. Olsen


On 09/07/13 20:11, Fernando Cassia wrote:

And no, I won't engage in a flame war, so I'll stop this here.


No you won't you just start it.

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 11:19 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different
session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
XFCE?...or MATE?...


What I want to know is, what does fedup do if, as in my case, Gnome 
isn't installed?

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

On 07/09/2013 02:17 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
>> I've used fedup on 4 very different machines,
>> and it has worked faultlessly.
> Thanks for reporting. I was afraid of upgrading (F18->F19) and would
> have waited months. After your message, I did it and it worked
> perfectly well:
> 1. I downloaded the DVD iso: Fedora-19-x86_64-DVD.iso
> 2. fedup --iso Fedora-19-x86_64-DVD.iso --network 19 --reboot
> It took 42 minutes before automatically rebooting. The total upgrade
> duration was 2 hours. This leaves 1h18 for installation.
> I launched that before going to bed. In the morning, everything worked
> perfectly apart that the default session type was changed from KDE to
> gnome.
>
> Thanks to the fedora team,
>
> Frédéric
So then out of curiosity mind you..there's no way to get a different
session and have it automatically be there when its done?...like
XFCE?...or MATE?...


EGO II
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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Frédéric Bron

> I've used fedup on 4 very different machines,
> and it has worked faultlessly.

Thanks for reporting. I was afraid of upgrading (F18->F19) and would
have waited months. After your message, I did it and it worked
perfectly well:
1. I downloaded the DVD iso: Fedora-19-x86_64-DVD.iso
2. fedup --iso Fedora-19-x86_64-DVD.iso --network 19 --reboot
It took 42 minutes before automatically rebooting. The total upgrade
duration was 2 hours. This leaves 1h18 for installation.
I launched that before going to bed. In the morning, everything worked
perfectly apart that the default session type was changed from KDE to
gnome.

Thanks to the fedora team,

Frédéric
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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/09/2013 01:49 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote:
>>
>> I agree completely.  Harald's posts are among the best on this list
>> in terms of
>> their technical content.  It's more disruptive that they're out of
>> sequence due
>> to moderation than that his tone can sometimes come across as
>> aggressive.
>>
>> If people don't like his posts they can stop reading them.  However,
>> anyone who
>> wants to read them is stuck putting them back into the proper order. 
>> It's my
>> opinion that for the overall good of the list Harald should *not* be
>> moderated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthew Roth
>> InterMedia Marketing Solutions
>> Software Engineer and Systems Developer
>
> I agree as well ... not only for the overall good of the list but the
> overall good of Harald
>
> Paul
As someone who's been a bit "put off" by some of Harald's replies to my
inquiries here, I still wouldn't feel right knowing he was booted off
the mailing list, and even if sometimes he comes across as being a bit
abrasive, or rude, it's his INFORMATION that proves more valuable. I may
never meet him face-to-face, and we may always "agree-to-disagree"...but
truth is truth, and the truth is...Harald has helped me get past some
SERIOUS issues with F17 & F18. So maybe give him the proverbial
"slap-on-the-wrist" and let him go on his merry 'ole way?...

Cheers!

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Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:12 AM, James Hogarth  wrote:
>
> With regards to your suggestion that would result in 5.6 which is a potential 
> marked change from 5.5 - even more so than mariadb which is why it was kept 
> at 5.5 this release... If you read the relevant threads in -devel you can 
> follow the reasoning...

Well, Mozilla has choosen to go with MySQL 5.6. First from Percona to
MariaDB and then MySQL...

https://twitter.com/sheeri/status/340207301854113793
https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2013/05/30/upgrading-support-mozilla-org-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-2798

It's even faster! The horror!
https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2013/01/29/in-subqueries-in-mysql-5-6-are-optimized-away/

But I'm sure MariaDB will suck up the changes in 5.6 in due time and
move its exciting developments to its code base... and claim it their
own...

But the truth is, the bulk of the developers moving MySQL forward seem
to be in Oracle's payroll... despite MariaDB propagandists grinding
their collective teeth, waving their arms and yelling at the sky...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvxhzrMX421r4d22do1_400.jpg

The rest is FUD... like this (you asked about FUD)
tinyurl.com/muktware-liars
vs reality http://tinyurl.com/lsvya6f

I'm sorry if my point of view is not the mainstream...
And no, I won't engage in a flame war, so I'll stop this here.
FC
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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell


On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote:


I agree completely.  Harald's posts are among the best on this list in terms of
their technical content.  It's more disruptive that they're out of sequence due
to moderation than that his tone can sometimes come across as aggressive.

If people don't like his posts they can stop reading them.  However, anyone who
wants to read them is stuck putting them back into the proper order.  It's my
opinion that for the overall good of the list Harald should *not* be moderated.

Regards,

Matthew Roth
InterMedia Marketing Solutions
Software Engineer and Systems Developer


I agree as well ... not only for the overall good of the list but the 
overall good of Harald


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OT: Fedora Freedmedia Canada

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy

Hi,

Looking for some volunteers for Freemedia in Canada:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia?rd=Distribution/FreeMedia#Join_us

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Re: Nitrogen

2013-07-09 Thread Frank McCormick


On 07/08/2013 10:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 22:17:07 -0400,
  Frank McCormick  wrote:


My favorite wallpaper setter Nitrogen has been orphanedso it's 
unavailable

from the repositories.

I run IceWm sometimes...and switch backgrounds quite often and 
nitrogen was

the only piece of software that did it for me.

Is there anyway I can get the last version for 19 ?


You can try getting the source rpm from the last version of Fedora it 
appeared in and seeing if it still builds in f19.




It still builds fine.  Thanks

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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Matthew J. Roth

inode0 wrote:
>
> As someone who reads most of discussions on this and many other lists
> I largely share Harald's feeling that a relatively small number of
> transgressions have clouded our perception of reality and we forget a
> great many helpful posts.

I agree completely.  Harald's posts are among the best on this list in terms of
their technical content.  It's more disruptive that they're out of sequence due
to moderation than that his tone can sometimes come across as aggressive.

If people don't like his posts they can stop reading them.  However, anyone who
wants to read them is stuck putting them back into the proper order.  It's my
opinion that for the overall good of the list Harald should *not* be moderated.

Regards,

Matthew Roth
InterMedia Marketing Solutions
Software Engineer and Systems Developer
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Re: fedup - the good and the bad


On 07/09/2013 08:27 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Gary Stainburn wrote:


I did my laptop F18 -> F19 this morning. It took 1 hour 40 which was
longer than my desktop but still okay as I just left it to it, and the
only input required was the reboot.

Is this the whole kaboosh, or the bit after re-booting?
It's the bit after re-booting (several hours in my case)
where I'd like to be given an estimate of expected duration.
I know there is that little growing snake under the F,
but that's a bit like watching paint dry.

Great product though, who should we thank?



Thank the developers of fedup, of course. For enduring our endless 
"hazing" with the F17-F18 upgrade, and proving they could work the kinks 
out of it.


I go back to the suggestion I would like to emphasize most: lengthen the 
progress bar (the growing snake) from the current 3 cm to 10 cm at 
least, or even 15 cm. The improved "resolution" would allow you to show 
/some/ forward progress more often.


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Re: Resume problem

2013-07-09 Thread Tanguy Eric


Le 08/07/2013 17:54, D. Hugh Redelmeier a écrit :

| From: Tanguy Eric 

| The problem was in f18 and now also in f19. The pc seems to go fine in
| hibernate but when i try to resume it seems to try to resume and after few
| seconds reboot normally. I tried to activate the pm_trace functionality with
| |echo 1 > /sys/power/pm_trace| and use |dmesg | grep "hash matches"| but i
| found nothing.
| Any idea ?

These problems are usually due to BIOS bugs.  They are very particular
to the model of computer and the BIOS version.  Google based on the
model: you are probably not the only victim.

BIOS engineers tend to whack on the BIOS until it works for the
Windows version they care about.  They don't care about the ACPI
specs.  So there have been lots of problems with suspend.

I suggest you start by seeing if the system manufacturer has a BIOS
update.  I admit that not all updates are improvements.

I think that there various Linux mechanisms to deal with problems:
"quirks" and "blacklists", but my memory is a bit fuzzy on the
details.
Updating my dell gx520 to the latest available bios (A11) does not solve 
the problem.

Thanks
Eric

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Re: Touchpad is not working anymore

2013-07-09 Thread Diego Vargas

Thanks all for your responses!

Dale:
What the grep '' /sys/class/input/event*/device/name does is print the name
of anything connected to the computer.
This is with my usb mouse connected, and obviosly it disappears when it's
disconnected.
/sys/class/input/event0/device/name:Power Button
/sys/class/input/event10/device/name:HDA Intel PCH Headphone
*/sys/class/input/event11/device/name:PixArt USB Optical Mouse*
/sys/class/input/event1/device/name:Lid Switch
/sys/class/input/event2/device/name:Power Button
/sys/class/input/event3/device/name:AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
*/sys/class/input/event4/device/name:SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad*
/sys/class/input/event5/device/name:Video Bus
/sys/class/input/event6/device/name:TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD
/sys/class/input/event7/device/name:Toshiba input device
/sys/class/input/event8/device/name:HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3
/sys/class/input/event9/device/name:HDA Intel PCH Mic

Tim:
No it does not work on windows, since I haven't updated keyboard driver. It
did worked on Windows 8, but I removed it to replace it with Win7 and
Fedora.
This is what I did:
1. Worked on  Fedora normally, while downloading some drivers for Win7.
2. Rebooted
3. Booted Windows 7
4. Installed the chipset/inf update first:
[ This is the file I've installed:
http://support.toshiba.com/support/modelHome?freeText=3575526 Section
Chipset: Intel Chipset SW Installation Utility]
5. Reboot
6. Booted fedora, wanted to make some stuff but the touchpad stopped
working since then.
This is what I cannot do:
- The pointer is not on the screen, anywhere.
- Cannot left click, right click on any place (though the pointer just
doesn't show)
- If I connect an USB mouse, the pointer shows up and works 100% but I
cannot move the pointer with the touchpad (something I can do on other
computers with fedora as OS).

Carlos:
I just tried with a yum reinstall and it doesn't work.



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Carlos "casep" Sepulveda <
ca...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On 8 July 2013 22:11, Diego Vargas  wrote:
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > I think is being recognized.
> > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04f2:b307 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
> >
> > This is the output of $(grep '' /sys/class/input/event*/device/name)
> > /sys/class/input/event0/device/name:Power Button
> > /sys/class/input/event10/device/name:HDA Intel PCH Headphone
> > /sys/class/input/event1/device/name:Lid Switch
> > /sys/class/input/event2/device/name:Power Button
> > /sys/class/input/event3/device/name:AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
> > /sys/class/input/event4/device/name:SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
> > /sys/class/input/event5/device/name:Video Bus
> > /sys/class/input/event6/device/name:Toshiba input device
> > /sys/class/input/event7/device/name:TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD
> > /sys/class/input/event8/device/name:HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3
> > /sys/class/input/event9/device/name:HDA Intel PCH Mic
> >
> >
>
>
> Hi:
> I saw a similar issue while moving from F17 to F18 via fedup.
> I solved it by removing and re-installing xorg-x11-drv-synaptics
>
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RE: yum groups

2013-07-09 Thread Pittigher, Raymond - ES

> After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to 
> remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message:
>
> yum group list
> Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
> There is no installed groups file.
> Available environment groups:
> GNOME Desktop
> KDE Plasma Workspaces
> Xfce Desktop
> LXDE Desktop
> Cinnamon Desktop
> MATE Desktop
> ...
>
> I do have the Cinnamon Desktop installed from 18 and want to remove it which 
> shows:
>
> yum group remove "Cinnamon Desktop"
> Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
> There is no installed groups file.
> No environment named Cinnamon Desktop exists
> No group named Cinnamon Desktop exists
> No packages to remove from groups
>
>
> I have google'd around a little but did not find anything that helped.

I think, you are facing the same issue as described in this threat:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-July/436944.html

My way to resolve it was this:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-July/436980.html

Ralf

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Re: yum groups

2013-07-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius


On 07/09/2013 05:27 PM, Pittigher, Raymond - ES wrote:

After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to 
remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message:

yum group list
Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
There is no installed groups file.
Available environment groups:
GNOME Desktop
KDE Plasma Workspaces
Xfce Desktop
LXDE Desktop
Cinnamon Desktop
MATE Desktop
...

I do have the Cinnamon Desktop installed from 18 and want to remove it which 
shows:

yum group remove "Cinnamon Desktop"
Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
There is no installed groups file.
No environment named Cinnamon Desktop exists
No group named Cinnamon Desktop exists
No packages to remove from groups


I have google'd around a little but did not find anything that helped.


I think, you are facing the same issue as described in this threat:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-July/436944.html

My way to resolve it was this:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-July/436980.html

Ralf

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

Wow! well this is great news for me, as I was holding off upgrading for
fear of something going wrong. And bear in mind I have a full backup of
my system, it's just that I have scarce time to babysit a full
restore...but I guess I'll give it an attempt this coming weekend over a
cup of Earl Grey!


EGO II





On 07/09/2013 04:11 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> On Monday 08 July 2013 16:17:39 Gary Stainburn wrote:
>> I have tried that before but so that I have a workable image that I can
>> then just write to as many HDD's as required to build additional servers,
>> or simulate an upgrade of a production server but struggled to get the
>> resulting system to boot.
>>
>> For information, the fedup upgrade worked perfectly for me for the box I've
>> just done and took little over the lunch time I left it to do it's job.
> I did my laptop F18 -> F19 this morning. It took 1 hour 40 which was longer 
> than my desktop but still okay as I just left it to it, and the only input 
> required was the reboot.
>
> The best news is that as I had hoped, the upgrade mended the touchpad which 
> broke when I did the fedup from F17 -> 18  so I'm a happy chappy

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yum groups

2013-07-09 Thread Pittigher, Raymond - ES

After a fedup to version 19 I no longer can add or remove groups. If I try to 
remove a desktop or even do a group list I get this message:

yum group list
Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
There is no installed groups file.
Available environment groups:
   GNOME Desktop
   KDE Plasma Workspaces
   Xfce Desktop
   LXDE Desktop
   Cinnamon Desktop
   MATE Desktop
...

I do have the Cinnamon Desktop installed from 18 and want to remove it which 
shows:

yum group remove "Cinnamon Desktop"
Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
There is no installed groups file.
No environment named Cinnamon Desktop exists
No group named Cinnamon Desktop exists
No packages to remove from groups


I have google'd around a little but did not find anything that helped.



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Re: looking for xv.

2013-07-09 Thread Matthew Miller

On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 07:35:21AM -0700, William Mattison wrote:
> On my old Redhat-9 system, I had this great tool "xv" which I used quite
> often to "colorize" raw weather satellite images.  It made doing that very
> easy, especially with the three GUIs that let me graphically vary the red,
> green, and blue intensities independently using the "RGB Modification"
> graphs in the "color editor" window.  But when I launch the "Software"

xv isn't open source -- it's shareware. So, we can't include it.


> tool on my system and look for xv, the only thing I find is actually just
> a short script to launch the real xv.  How do I get xv for my 64-bit
> Fedora-18 system?  Or does Fedora-18 come with something else with the
> same functionality?  If yes, what?

You can do per-channel color manipulation easily in Gimp.


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Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread James Hogarth

> For the curious, I'm not doing this to enhance security, and yes, port
> 23456 was just for illustrative purposes only. That said, I don't think
> it is too harmful either.
>

Indeed for various reasons my daemon runs on 443

> There was a rather detailed reply explaining the difference between
> privileged and non-privileged ports (thanks, I know that from graduate
> school),

Thanks for the condescension but seeing as there was no indication of
understanding the difference (and for the sake of random person googling
the archives for the answer in future) it seemed sane to ensure the reasons
why were written down here

> but if someone has gained access to my box do they really need
> to impersonate my sshd running on 23456? They probably own me anyway.

Not yet... They could well (and likely will) not 'own' you yet due to
inability to do things like add kernel modules, open firewall ports, etc.
By letting them fake a ssh daemon they can trivially keylog your
credentials to reach root and complete the process of compromising you.

> Now, a legitimate non-privileged user might crash sshd on 23456 and run
> his own stuff, but hey, I'm the only user.
>

Good for you! Understanding the implications and best practices round them
is still sound though.

>
> The default ports are for the world to be able to access the services
> you're offering (http, ftp, whatever). But when I'm the only one that
> needs remote access to my machine, I think I'm ok to run sshd on a
> different port.

Indeed but the choice of port and method to achieve that port is worth
bearing a moment's thought.
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Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread James Hogarth

>
> No change, except from the FUD...

Which in of itself FUD...

Read the feature proposal or the release notes...

To install the oracle community mysql from the fedora repos use the package
name community-mysql but I would recommend following the 'default' mysql of
mariadb... The change was not for no reason...

With regards to your suggestion that would result in 5.6 which is a
potential marked change from 5.5 - even more so than mariadb which is why
it was kept at 5.5 this release... If you read the relevant threads in
-devel you can follow the reasoning...

With regards to the OP no issues and several benefits to have mariadb 5.5
instead of mysql community edition 5.5
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Re: PulseAudio in restricted X environment

2013-07-09 Thread Eric Viseur

Sadly the daemon refuses to start.  When started from console without the
log-level=0, the daemon seems to start, but I still can't get any sound out
of the box.

Eric Viseur


2013/7/9 Reindl Harald 

>
>
> Am 09.07.2013 16:01, schrieb Eric Viseur:
> > I'm currently working on a virtualization project using F18.  One of the
> use cases is booting on the multi-user
> > systemd target, then starting the Spice client in a very restricted X
> environment by simply issuing
> >
> > /$ xinit /usr/bin/spicec (some parameters)/
> >
> > Everything works fine, except the sound : as I don't start a complete
> GDM in this boot scenario, PulseAudio isn't
> > loaded.  I thus tried to start PulseAudio manually by issuing :
> >
> > /$ start-pulseaudio-x11/
> >
> > before starting xinit with the same user, but it doesn't work either.
>  After testing a /$ pacat /dev/urandom/ from
> > the host on Fedora Virtualization team's advice, it turns out PA doesn't
> work at all.
> >
> > *So, here is my question : how to start PulseAudio correctly in such a
> setup (multi-user.target then xinit) ?*
> >
> > Please note that if I connect to the VM from a complete GDM in the
> graphical systemd target, everything works fine.
> >
> > Thank you for your attention!
>
> system wide instance is your friend
>
> [harry@rh:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/pulsed.service
> [Unit]
> Description=Pulseaudio Daemon
> After=rtkit-daemon.service udev.service dbus.service
>
> [Service]
> Type=simple
> ExecStart=-/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=false --system=true
> --log-level=0 --log-target=stderr
> --disallow-module-loading=true --disallow-exit=true --exit-idle-time=0
> --disable-shm=true --no-cpu-limit=false
> --use-pid-file=false --resample-method=src-sinc-best-quality
> Restart=always
> RestartSec=30
> TimeoutSec=15
> Nice=-10
> CapabilityBoundingSet=~CAP_SYS_PTRACE
> InaccessibleDirectories=/boot
> InaccessibleDirectories=/root
>
> [Install]
> WantedBy=multi-user.target
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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread inode0

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
> Am 09.07.2013 14:15, schrieb Jared K. Smith:
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald > > wrote:
>>
>> it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated
>> and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain
>> any reference to a thread bounce dback by the receiver to the
>> list and additionally in CC to the uninvolved devel-list
>>
>>
>> As one of the list moderators, let me state for the public record that the 
>> moderation was not just for one off-list
>> email, it was for a continuing pattern of disrespect.  The Community Working 
>> Group has also explained how you can
>> get the moderation flag removed from your account.
>
> hopefully you are fair enough to let me state my point of view also
> for the public record

The problem here from my perspective is that Harald was put into an
awkward position without any reason that I can see on the thread
cited. It is natural to want to defend yourself when you feel you are
being attacked and I would really like to see the previously offended
parts of the community work with all of us to try to leave the past in
the past and not go out of our way to read something negative into
every post Harald makes.

As someone who reads most of discussions on this and many other lists
I largely share Harald's feeling that a relatively small number of
transgressions have clouded our perception of reality and we forget a
great many helpful posts.

I'd love to see the chiding for past posts stop but I doubt they ever
will as long as they lead to threads like this. The only thing that
will stop them is for everyone to ignore them and go on with their
day.

John
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Re: looking for xv.

On 07/09/13 22:35, William Mattison wrote:
> (Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops)
>
> On my old Redhat-9 system, I had this great tool "xv" which I used quite 
> often to "colorize" raw weather satellite images.  It made doing that very 
> easy, especially with the three GUIs that let me graphically vary the red, 
> green, and blue intensities independently using the "RGB Modification" graphs 
> in the "color editor" window.  But when I launch the "Software" tool on my 
> system and look for xv, the only thing I find is actually just a short script 
> to launch the real xv.  How do I get xv for my 64-bit Fedora-18 system?  Or 
> does Fedora-18 come with something else with the same functionality?  If yes, 
> what?
>

xv is in the rpmfusion repositories.

xv-3.10a.jumbopatch.20070520-18.fc18.1.x86_64 : Visualisateur sous X pour
  : quasiment tous les types 
d'images
Repo: rpmfusion-nonfree-updates
Matched from:
Filename: /usr/bin/xv

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looking for xv.

2013-07-09 Thread William Mattison

(Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops)

On my old Redhat-9 system, I had this great tool "xv" which I used quite often 
to "colorize" raw weather satellite images.  It made doing that very easy, 
especially with the three GUIs that let me graphically vary the red, green, and 
blue intensities independently using the "RGB Modification" graphs in the 
"color editor" window.  But when I launch the "Software" tool on my system and 
look for xv, the only thing I find is actually just a short script to launch 
the real xv.  How do I get xv for my 64-bit Fedora-18 system?  Or does 
Fedora-18 come with something else with the same functionality?  If yes, what?

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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)



Am 09.07.2013 14:15, schrieb Jared K. Smith:
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald  > wrote:
> 
> it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated
> and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain
> any reference to a thread bounce dback by the receiver to the
> list and additionally in CC to the uninvolved devel-list
> 
> 
> As one of the list moderators, let me state for the public record that the 
> moderation was not just for one off-list
> email, it was for a continuing pattern of disrespect.  The Community Working 
> Group has also explained how you can
> get the moderation flag removed from your account.

hopefully you are fair enough to let me state my point of view also
for the public record

*no* it *clearly* is because you are treating me different in the way
that if i write 200 technically correct and not absusive repsonses
often daone within minutes after a question, day and night, including
my work-time into account but if i *one* time does not find the
right words it invalidates 100 fine responses which is a unforgiving
treatment from my point of view

http://netblock-68-183-106-10.dslextreme.com/linux/fedora/fedora-advisory-board/msg11987.html
 refers
directly to exactly this off-list message, also the part "it appears that the 
instances are too
frequent and a community member was disgruntled enough to have filed a formal 
complaint with the
Board requesting a ban" refers to this off-list message which had no context to 
the devel list at all

sorry, but i can see no "significant number"

the thing i saw yesterday is that others are allowed to call me a troll while
strip any context out of quotes, take single words out of a post without any
context, are allowed to quote in a way to let me look like an idiot and my
answer is rejected because "honestly *your* quote shows pretty clear who is
trolling"

sorry, but you can not seriously explain me that take because to respect
the etiquette off-list sent messages are *twice* the reason to get
moderarted again while others allowed to threat me and i am not
allowed to respond is in any case fair

if i would have made a post like some i seen these days from others
the hell had freezen over






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Re: PulseAudio in restricted X environment



Am 09.07.2013 16:01, schrieb Eric Viseur:
> I'm currently working on a virtualization project using F18.  One of the use 
> cases is booting on the multi-user
> systemd target, then starting the Spice client in a very restricted X 
> environment by simply issuing
> 
> /$ xinit /usr/bin/spicec (some parameters)/
> 
> Everything works fine, except the sound : as I don't start a complete GDM in 
> this boot scenario, PulseAudio isn't
> loaded.  I thus tried to start PulseAudio manually by issuing :
> 
> /$ start-pulseaudio-x11/
> 
> before starting xinit with the same user, but it doesn't work either.  After 
> testing a /$ pacat /dev/urandom/ from
> the host on Fedora Virtualization team's advice, it turns out PA doesn't work 
> at all.
> 
> *So, here is my question : how to start PulseAudio correctly in such a setup 
> (multi-user.target then xinit) ?*
> 
> Please note that if I connect to the VM from a complete GDM in the graphical 
> systemd target, everything works fine.
> 
> Thank you for your attention!

system wide instance is your friend

[harry@rh:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/pulsed.service
[Unit]
Description=Pulseaudio Daemon
After=rtkit-daemon.service udev.service dbus.service

[Service]
Type=simple
ExecStart=-/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=false --system=true --log-level=0 
--log-target=stderr
--disallow-module-loading=true --disallow-exit=true --exit-idle-time=0 
--disable-shm=true --no-cpu-limit=false
--use-pid-file=false --resample-method=src-sinc-best-quality
Restart=always
RestartSec=30
TimeoutSec=15
Nice=-10
CapabilityBoundingSet=~CAP_SYS_PTRACE
InaccessibleDirectories=/boot
InaccessibleDirectories=/root

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



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Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

On 07/09/13 22:00, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Heading over to bugzilla now.

This appears to be https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=975695 

The same error message noted in this thread are in the bugzilla.

I think there is no need create a new one.


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PulseAudio in restricted X environment

2013-07-09 Thread Eric Viseur

Hi,

I'm currently working on a virtualization project using F18.  One of the
use cases is booting on the multi-user systemd target, then starting the
Spice client in a very restricted X environment by simply issuing

*$ xinit /usr/bin/spicec (some parameters)*

Everything works fine, except the sound : as I don't start a complete GDM
in this boot scenario, PulseAudio isn't loaded.  I thus tried to start
PulseAudio manually by issuing :

*$ start-pulseaudio-x11*

before starting xinit with the same user, but it doesn't work either.
After testing a *$ pacat /dev/urandom* from the host on Fedora
Virtualization team's advice, it turns out PA doesn't work at all.

*So, here is my question : how to start PulseAudio correctly in such a
setup (multi-user.target then xinit) ?*

Please note that if I connect to the VM from a complete GDM in the
graphical systemd target, everything works fine.

Thank you for your attention !

Regards,

Eric Viseur
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Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

On 07/09/13 21:51, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 08:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 07/09/13 20:16, Cristian Sava wrote:
> >> Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix. Why selinux is not complaining
> >> with an AVC?
>
> > I do not know the answer to that.  I'll see if I can figure it out, and if
> > not file a bugzilla.
>
> > Welcome.
>
> > Ed
>
>
> Probably a dontaudit message.
>
> Does
>
> restorecon -R -v /var/run/fail2ban
>
> Change the label?

No. 

I just did a semodule -DB to get the AVC's (reminded by folks on the selinux 
list) and created/install the resulting module and it seems to have fixed it.

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Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Daniel J Walsh

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On 07/09/2013 08:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/09/13 20:16, Cristian Sava wrote:
>> Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix. Why selinux is not complaining
>> with an AVC?
> 
> I do not know the answer to that.  I'll see if I can figure it out, and if
> not file a bugzilla.
> 
> Welcome.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
Probably a dontaudit message.

Does

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Change the label?
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Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread Amadeus W.M.

This thread has slipped into a security debate, but I certainly didn't 
mean to start a flame war. 

For the curious, I'm not doing this to enhance security, and yes, port 
23456 was just for illustrative purposes only. That said, I don't think 
it is too harmful either. 

There was a rather detailed reply explaining the difference between 
privileged and non-privileged ports (thanks, I know that from graduate 
school), but if someone has gained access to my box do they really need 
to impersonate my sshd running on 23456? They probably own me anyway. 
Now, a legitimate non-privileged user might crash sshd on 23456 and run 
his own stuff, but hey, I'm the only user.

Then consider also the odds of sshd having a buffer overflow, running on 
the default port 22, vs. someone running a comprehensive scan on you. The 
sshd port is the only thing I have open in my firewall, so to all quick 
scans (port 21, 22, 23, 80, etc.) I'm non-existent. But, as Reindl Harald 
said, that's already another level of sophistication and with proper rate 
control in place and other measures in place, those can be dealt with.

The default ports are for the world to be able to access the services 
you're offering (http, ftp, whatever). But when I'm the only one that 
needs remote access to my machine, I think I'm ok to run sshd on a 
different port. 


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Re: Touchpad is not working anymore

2013-07-09 Thread Carlos "casep" Sepulveda

On 8 July 2013 22:11, Diego Vargas  wrote:
> Hi Dale,
>
> I think is being recognized.
> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04f2:b307 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
>
> This is the output of $(grep '' /sys/class/input/event*/device/name)
> /sys/class/input/event0/device/name:Power Button
> /sys/class/input/event10/device/name:HDA Intel PCH Headphone
> /sys/class/input/event1/device/name:Lid Switch
> /sys/class/input/event2/device/name:Power Button
> /sys/class/input/event3/device/name:AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
> /sys/class/input/event4/device/name:SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
> /sys/class/input/event5/device/name:Video Bus
> /sys/class/input/event6/device/name:Toshiba input device
> /sys/class/input/event7/device/name:TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD
> /sys/class/input/event8/device/name:HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3
> /sys/class/input/event9/device/name:HDA Intel PCH Mic
>
>


Hi:
I saw a similar issue while moving from F17 to F18 via fedup.
I solved it by removing and re-installing xorg-x11-drv-synaptics

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Re: [389-users] 389 directory server crash

2013-07-09 Thread Rich Megginson


On 07/09/2013 06:43 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote:

Hi!

We are having problems with some our 389-DS instances. They crash 
after receiving an update from the provider.


After looking at the stack trace, I think this is 
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47391


The crash happened twice after about a week of running without 
problems. The crashes happened on two consumer servers but not at the 
same time.
The servers are running CentOS 6x with the following 389DS packages 
installed:

389-ds-console-doc-1.2.6-1.el6.noarch
389-console-1.1.7-1.el6.noarch
389-adminutil-1.1.15-1.el6.x86_64
389-dsgw-1.1.10-1.el6.x86_64
389-ds-base-debuginfo-1.2.11.15-14.el6_4.x86_64
389-admin-1.1.29-1.el6.x86_64
389-ds-console-1.2.6-1.el6.noarch
389-admin-console-doc-1.1.8-1.el6.noarch
389-ds-1.2.2-1.el6.noarch
389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-14.el6_4.x86_64
389-ds-base-libs-1.2.11.15-14.el6_4.x86_64
389-admin-console-1.1.8-1.el6.noarch

We are in the process of replacing the Centos 5x base 
consumer+provider setup with a CentOS 6x base one. For the time being, 
the CentOS 6 machines are acting as consumers for the old server. They 
run for a while and then the replicated instances crash though not at 
the same time.

One of the servers did not want to start after the crash,


Can you provide the error messages from the errors log?

so I have run db2index on its database. It's been running for four 
days and it has still not finished. 


Try exporting using db2ldif, then importing using ldif2db.


All I get from db2index now are these outputs:
[09/Jul/2013:13:29:11 +0200] - reindex db: Processed 65095 entries 
(pass 1104) -- average rate 53686277.5/sec, recent rate 0.0/sec, hit 
ratio 0%


How many entries do you have in your database?



The other instance did start up, but the replication process did not 
work anymore. I disabled the replication to this host and set it up 
again. I chose "Initialize consumer now" and the consumer crashed 
every time.


Can provide a stack trace of the core when the server crashes?  This may 
be different than the stack trace below.



I have enabled full error logging and could find nothing.
I have read a few threads (not all, I admit) on this list and 
http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#Debugging_Crashes and 
tried to troubleshoot.


The crash produced the attached core dump and I could use your help 
with understanding it. As well as any help with the crash. If more 
info is needed I will gladly provide it.


Regards, Mitja



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Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Mike Dwiggins  wrote:

> I did a test install of Fedora 19 on a spare machine and discovered that
> MySQL is no longer part of the Distro being replaced by MariaDB.


You can download and run MySQL Community Edition too
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/
latest is 5.6.12

No change, except from the FUD...
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Re: SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Steven Stern

On 07/09/2013 07:38 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> I did a test install of Fedora 19 on a spare machine and discovered that
> MySQL is no longer part of the Distro being replaced by MariaDB.
> 
> Has anyone tried to run WordPress in conjunction with MariaDB and if so
> any problems.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike D.
> 
> 
I'm running both WP and Drupal with MariaDB on Fedora and Centos. There
have been no problems.

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Re: compatibility glibc in Fedora 19

2013-07-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius


On 07/09/2013 01:35 PM, Amadeus W.M. wrote:

I have a DCP130C Brother printer+scanner that works perfectly under Linux
with proprietary drivers supplied by the manufacturer, except that they
require older glibc versions, which I can't seem to find in Fedora 19.

rpm -Uvh --test brscan2-0.2.5-1.x86_64.rpm brscan-skey-0.2.1-3.x86_64.rpm
dcp130c*
error: Failed dependencies:
libc.so.6 is needed by dcp130ccupswrapper-1.0.1-1.i386
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by dcp130ccupswrapper-1.0.1-1.i386
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by dcp130ccupswrapper-1.0.1-1.i386
libc.so.6 is needed by dcp130clpr-1.0.1-1.i386
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by dcp130clpr-1.0.1-1.i386
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by dcp130clpr-1.0.1-1.i386

Do these still exist, or am I out of luck? Thanks!


Very likely. From what I can tell from a brief glance into the output of
# repoquery -q --provides glibc.i686

all these SONAME are provided by F19's glibc.i686


Ralf


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SQL Issue

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Dwiggins

I did a test install of Fedora 19 on a spare machine and discovered that 
MySQL is no longer part of the Distro being replaced by MariaDB.


Has anyone tried to run WordPress in conjunction with MariaDB and if so 
any problems.


Thanks
Mike D.


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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Gary Stainburn

On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:27:09 Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > I did my laptop F18 -> F19 this morning. It took 1 hour 40 which was
> > longer than my desktop but still okay as I just left it to it, and the
> > only input required was the reboot.
>
> Is this the whole kaboosh, or the bit after re-booting?
> It's the bit after re-booting (several hours in my case)
> where I'd like to be given an estimate of expected duration.
> I know there is that little growing snake under the F,
> but that's a bit like watching paint dry.
>
> Great product though, who should we thank?

This was the whole thing, from issuing the 

'fedup --network 19'

to having a fully functioning laptop (including touchpad :D )

On both of the installs I've done so far I did get a graphic loco and a 
progress bar. I'm guessing that if you don't get that it may have been a 
video card issue.

On the one I did yesterday I ended up with a text based detail view, which I 
think I got by catching the TAB key with my phone.

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Re: fedup - the good and the bad

2013-07-09 Thread Timothy Murphy

Gary Stainburn wrote:

> I did my laptop F18 -> F19 this morning. It took 1 hour 40 which was
> longer than my desktop but still okay as I just left it to it, and the
> only input required was the reboot.

Is this the whole kaboosh, or the bit after re-booting?
It's the bit after re-booting (several hours in my case)
where I'd like to be given an estimate of expected duration.
I know there is that little growing snake under the F,
but that's a bit like watching paint dry.

Great product though, who should we thank?

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Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Gary Stainburn

On Tuesday 09 July 2013 13:23:07 Tom Horsley wrote:
>
> With the new wonderful package selection non-choices, I've
> pretty much decided the best way to go is to pick the
> minimal install to get out of anaconda as soon as possible
> and then use yum to install what I really need.

When I did a Net clean install I was very disappointed that the 'Customise 
Now' option has been removed. Doing a manual install, even through YUM, is 
very much a backwards step.

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Re: Touchpad is not working anymore

2013-07-09 Thread Tim

On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 15:16 -0500, Diego Vargas wrote:
> No, what I've updated on Windows is the chipset. Which (supposedly)
> only makes Windows to recognize parts of the hardware, like the LAN
> card, the WiFi card and so forth.

What I meant by exactly what you did, so someone else may be able to
help...  You need to let the list know what hardware you're using, and
what that update was (what's it actually called).
> 
> Now, there is a special disable/enable touchpad hotkey. But it just
> doesn't work. I've tried that in my Fedora 19, in anaconda at fedora's
> 19 installation, Linux Mint 15 live cd and ubuntu 12.10 live cd. In
> none of those sessions my touchpad or the d/e touchpad hotkey works.

But it does with Windows?

Are you doing a full shutdown, power off, then reboot, between swapping
operating systems?

> Then, as I said before, with an usb mouse the pointer shows up again
> and is 100% functionally. But still, I cannot move the pointer with
> the touchpad.

Does plugging and unplugging the mouse make any difference.

On my laptop, Vista would automatically disable the touchpad if I
plugged in the mouse.  That was an optional setting.

I, kind of, wished that Fedora would give me the same choice, since my
touchpad is in an annoying place, and would forever get accidentally
triggered while I'm typing over the top of it.  I'd be typing away, and
whoosh, I'm no longer typing in the word processor, but the touchpad has
put the cursor into the menus, and my typing is activating hotkeys, or
is suddenly in the middle of another window, typing it it.  I had to
settle for setting it to always disable the touchpad.  Which, oddly
enough, isn't 100%.  From time to time, it springs back to life for a
few seconds.  Sodding thing!

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Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

On 07/09/13 20:16, Cristian Sava wrote:
> Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix.
> Why selinux is not complaining with an AVC?

I do not know the answer to that.  I'll see if I can figure it out, and if not 
file a bugzilla.

Welcome.

Ed


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Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Horsley

On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:07:30 -0400
Wade Hampton wrote:

> I finally just increased the size of the VM to 10G, took the default
> gnome desktop option, and let it run.  I'll have to manually install
> the development packages I need.

With the new wonderful package selection non-choices, I've
pretty much decided the best way to go is to pick the
minimal install to get out of anaconda as soon as possible
and then use yum to install what I really need.
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Re: networking - fail2ban will not start on some installs (x64)

2013-07-09 Thread Cristian Sava

On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 18:52 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Well, I find one thing interesting.
> 
> Notice the error message
> 
> fail2ban-client[2804]: ERROR  Directory /var/run/fail2ban exists but not 
> accessible for writing
> 
> But, if you execute the command in the service file from the command line
> 
> [root@f18x log]# /usr/bin/fail2ban-client -x start
> 2013-07-09 18:46:10,558 fail2ban.server : INFO   Starting Fail2ban v0.8.10
> 2013-07-09 18:46:10,559 fail2ban.server : INFO   Starting in daemon mode
> 
> and
> 
> [root@f18x fail2ban]# pwd
> /var/run/fail2ban
> [root@f18x fail2ban]# ls
> fail2ban.pid  fail2ban.sock
> 
> And if you put selinux in permissive mode
> 
> [root@f18x fail2ban]# pwd
> /var/run/fail2ban
> [root@f18x fail2ban]# ls
> [root@f18x fail2ban]# setenforce 0
> [root@f18x fail2ban]# systemctl start fail2ban
> [root@f18x fail2ban]# ls
> fail2ban.pid  fail2ban.sock
> 
> So it is running with selinux placed in permissive mode.
Yes, you're right. Thank you for the fix.
Why selinux is not complaining with an AVC?

C. Sava


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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

2013-07-09 Thread Jared K. Smith

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

> it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated
> and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain
> any reference to a thread bounce dback by the receiver to the
> list and additionally in CC to the uninvolved devel-list
>

As one of the list moderators, let me state for the public record that the
moderation was not just for one off-list email, it was for a continuing
pattern of disrespect.  The Community Working Group has also explained how
you can get the moderation flag removed from your account.

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Re: Disabling ipv6



Am 09.07.2013 10:58, schrieb j.witvl...@mindef.nl:
> Hi all,
> 
> Once in a while I see people suggesting the disabling of IPv6 to cope with 
> some issue.
> 
> My I _kindly_ ask not to do that anymore?
> Even though such trick might take away the symptoms for you and me, it is a 
> technical overkill and only tackles the symptoms.
> 
> Lately I read a message on another M.L. from someone who only gets an IPv6 
> address from his provider, and gets his connection to legacy sites by means 
> on 4in6 tunneling.
> 
> On behalf of those people, "disabling v6" simply means: switch of your entire 
> network.
> If an application / service cannot cope with v6, the solution should be with 
> that application, not by mutilating the network stack ;-)

may i _kindly_ ask to give a relieable way like ipv6.disable=1
which works in F17/F18 and not in F19 beause i know what i
am doing and there is currently no need for ipv6

the "inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10" means i need
as example to run ip6tables to block access on servers to
localhost:139/445 because internally the machine is serviced
via SMB instead FTP but a PHP-script must never open a socket
to the samba daemon




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Re: Anyone know dovecot?


Am 09.07.2013 13:52, schrieb Tom Horsley:
> I keep getting this sort of garbage cluttering my logs:
> 
> dovecot: master: Warning: /ada/denmark is no longer mounted. See 
> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Mountpoints: 1 Time(s)
> 
> I have indeed seen the wiki page mentioned, and even
> tried what it says, but nothing seems to "stick".
> Any time a filesystem gets mounted, I apparently
> also have to invoke doveadm yet again to make
> it ignore the new dadgum filesystem. (The wildcards
> mentioned in that web page seem only to apply to
> existing filesystems, not new mounts).
> 
> Is there a way to just make it stop forever?

no, i asked on the dovecot list why this happens
since dovecot 2.0 and upstream believes it is
a good idea to assume that every random mounted
FS could be relevant for email because it *may*
be referred in a config-include instead throw
only a fatal error if this is the case and
something can not be accessed



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Re: what has 'yum update' done?



Am 09.07.2013 07:13, schrieb lee:
> Reindl Harald  writes:
> 
>> Am 09.07.2013 02:46, schrieb lee:
 well, here you have to make a choice as often in life

 * learn to deal with "the networking part is extremely difficult"
 * take money in your hand and avoid this part
>>>
>>> None of these would solve the problem because I cannot clone my system.
>>> None of these are worthwhile because I don't really have use for a VM.
>>
>> i explained you taht you do *not* need to *clone* the system because
>> it is enough to clone *your* personal configuration

> If you have, I must have missed it.  

read all what i wrote

> How would I clone all the configuration?

any non systemwide configuration is in your userhome
thew few systemdwide chagne if even ones in /etc
you need to know

>> if you still think you have no need for a VM and so having a testing
>> environment nobody can help you
> 
> Are you seriously expecting me to spend about EUR 200 to buy VMWare 

you missed the learn to deal with "the networking part is extremely
difficult" of KVM, your problem is you do not want to spend time
nor money which leads you nowhere

period

>> not in reality
>> not in case of a linux system
>>
>> software become not more complicated
>> it became in many parts too simplified
> 
> You're wrong.  Just take, for example, a Linux kernel from 1995 and
> compare it with one from 2013.  How much functionality has been added,
> how many more lines of code are part of the kernel from 2013 compared to
> the one from 1995?

you missed the word reality

for the ordinary enduser most things and hardware are
wroking out of the box these days

> Do the same with other software that still exists,
> and even though it doesn't really give you a good picture, you'll be
> surprised.  How many different CPUs are in use today, how many different
> hardware combinations?  Compare that to what was available in
> 1995.

how many hardware vendors are write opensource
drivers these days and how many big companies
are member of the Linux Foundation and supporting
Linux and how many did 1995

again: you missed the word "reality"

> Compare the functionality some software like Libreoffice provides
> today with what it's equivalent in 1995 provided.

so what - i worked with "Star Office" in the 1990's
it was useable but much more buggy as LE today

> Look at graphics cards and compare recent models of today with those
> that were recent in 1995 and try to tell anyone they aren't any more
> complicated today than they were in 1995.  Same goes for other
> hardware.

*what does this bother you as user?*

> You'll probably find that quite a lot of now common hard- and software
> is so complicated that it would have been impossible to manufacture it
> in 1995.

so what

> Then make a list of soft- and hardware that wasn't commonly used or
> didn't even exist in 1995 but is common today.  Look at a web browser
> from 1995 and compare its complexity with one from 2013 and try to tell
> anyone that software hasn't become more complicated since 1995.

for the ordinary user?
clearly no!

>>> Then look at this thread:  There hasn't really been any answer to any of
>>> the questions
>>
>> because nobody and *nothing* started and starts magically
>> a dist-upgrade without making some major mistake
>>
>> this is simply not true - period
> 
> Ok, so you are denying the facts 

no, i simply do not believe it
if faced too often people enable the rawhide-repo as example
because "more is better" and all sorts of things normally
nobody would imagine that a user does for whatever reason



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Re: what has 'yum update' done?


Am 09.07.2013 02:46, schrieb lee:
>> well, here you have to make a choice as often in life
>>
>> * learn to deal with "the networking part is extremely difficult"
>> * take money in your hand and avoid this part
> 
> None of these would solve the problem because I cannot clone my system.
> None of these are worthwhile because I don't really have use for a VM.

i explained you taht oyu do *not* need to *clone* the system because
it is enough to clone *your* personal configuration

if you still think you have no need for a VM and so having a testing
environment nobody can help you

>> in the 1990's i had only one computer, no job and no internet at all
>>
>> [...]
>> that's why sometimes for me the FUD some spoiled people about how
>> difficult all the things today are ridiculous
> 
> Guess what, things back then were a lot easier than they are now.  Hard-
> and software have become much more complicated.

not in reality
not in case of a linux system

software become not more complicated
it became in many parts too simplified

> Then look at this thread:  There hasn't really been any answer to any of
> the questions

because nobody and *nothing* started and starts magically
a dist-upgrade without making some major mistake

this is simply not true - period

>> so I've been running 'yum update' today and when I wanted to reboot, I
>> found that grub now has an entry to boot some vmlinuz-fedup instead of a
>> normal kernel, and that even as default
>>
>> The vmlinuz-fedup isn't bootable --- apparently it tries to start some
>> sort of rescue mode and then says it can't start a basic.system because
>> that must not be called directly.  The entry to boot a normal kernel is
>> now hidden in a sub-menu
>>
>> What kind of crap is that?  I didn't want to upgrade to F19 yet!  And
>> does it mean that there again will be problems with updating when I try
>> to move to F19?



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Re: Minor problem with Fedora 19



Am 09.07.2013 01:58, schrieb Frank McCormick:
> I installed Fedora 19 recently but wasn't paying attention when setting up 
> the username
> portion of the installation. As a result I had an abbreviated form of my full 
> name as a user name.
> 
> So I used the system utility to change is to my preferred username.
> Problem is my home directory is still named my old username and at lightdm 
> logon I have
> to type in my new username and password ( which is the same). The logon 
> screen doesn't offer
> me my new name, but still offers the old name. Anyway to fix ???

* log out
* CTRL+ALT+F2
* login as root in the terminal
* mv /home/olderuser /home/newuser
* nano /etc/passwd
* edit the line with your user, looks like below
* systemctl restart lightdm.service

if you don't have "nano" installed use vi or whatever
console editor or "yum install nano"
__

column 5 is the real name
column 6 the homedir
column 7 the edfault shell

[harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/passwd | grep harry
harry:x:500:501:Reindl Harald:/home/harry:/usr/bin/bash



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Re: what has 'yum update' done?



Am 09.07.2013 00:39, schrieb lee:
> Reindl Harald  writes:
>>> Besides, I don't find it easy at all to set one up because the
>>> networking part is extremely difficult. 
>>
>> using VMware Workstation it is trivial to
>> get a VM running in it's own NAT network
>>
>> works out of the box
> 
> And it costs EUR 193.5.[1] Do you have to buy updates, too?  Can you
> convert an existing system as is into a VM with it?  What is the
> performance impact with OpenGL apps?

well, here you have to make a choice as often in life

* learn to deal with "the networking part is extremely difficult"
* take money in your hand and avoid this part

> With all the means you have at your disposal and plenty time you even
> get payed for to mess around with computers, I can see how it becomes
> easy to upgrade Fedora.  What would you do if you had only one computer
> with all your data on it you don't want to lose and which you need to
> keep running on your own time and your own expense?  You'd be in a
> totally different world and might see things differently

how do think i "became in this world"

in the 1990's i had only one computer, no job and no internet at all
and this computer had *a lot* of valueable data and i was a noob
and i am autodidact, meaning a have no "offical" IT education

well, that did not stop me to learn how to install multiboot systems
with Win200, Win98 and different Linux distributions with again
no internet, no mailing-lists, no boards, not much manuals and
believe me in the 1990's installing a SuSE or Caldera Linux and
come to a X11 diaply server was an adventure of a sort where all
the problems mentioned these days are only amusing - well, there was
a not that bda printed manual in the SuSE box and two books but
these days you had to learn a lot at your own by trial and error

hence i learned to backup all my disks and partitions inclduing the
windows setups with splitted, gzipped dd-images from a shell to CD's
deal with boot-managers like LILO where you had to care of the physical
position of the kernel and could not simply reboot after a update like
today, i compiled my first own kernels some months after start palying
with Linux which was an adventure on a 466 MHz Celeron

that's why sometimes for me the FUD some spoiled people about how
difficult all the things today are ridiculous



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Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)



Am 08.07.2013 23:07, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 07/08/2013 01:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>> Also, there is no need to send the same mail twice. I do not wish to
>> argue with you further as this is not the first time you have been
>> confronted about your behavior and I doubt it will be the last. You also
>> like to get in "the last word", which comes across as immature.
> 
> And while we're at it, shouldn't this have been sent off-list, Mr. Pot?

it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated
and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain
any reference to a thread bounce dback by the receiver to the
list and additionally in CC to the uninvolved devel-list



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