Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[Tom Horsley]

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 19:00:43 +0200
Bob Marcan wrote:

> Creating new user and selecting different WM, solved the problem. 

You could compare the contents of ~/.claws-mail for new and old
users and perhaps find the specific setting that screws it up.
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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[Bob Marcan]

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 01:02:36 +0930
Tim via users  wrote:

Not yet solved, but ...
Creating new user and selecting different WM, solved the problem. 
I'm apologize to disturbing the list. It should be done before i asked for 
help. 
Now is my turn. 

Best regards, Bob
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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[Bob Marcan]

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 01:02:36 +0930
Tim via users  wrote:

> 
> Bob Marcan
> > Shouldn't the same behavior will be in all the other applications?  
> 
> If you've accident set a hotkey in claws-mail, it'll only apply to that
> application.  And most likely, only when that application's window is
> active.
> 
> I've set hotkeys in (another application - OBS studio), and it meant
> you could use that key when typing in it.  It would have nice to hit
> the space bar, for example, to switch between cameras.  But doing so
> meant you could use the space bar to type a space in its text editors.
> 

Preferences:Plugin:Notification:Hotkeys: DISABLED

Preferences:Miscellaneus:Enable keyboard shortcuts: DISABLED
This was before enabled. Now it is disabled.

The problem remain the same.
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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[Tim via users]

Angelo
>> may be you've unintentionally assigned "k" to some menu item.
>> (It's just a matter of pressing a "key" while focusing the item
>> with the mouse pointer).


Bob Marcan
> Shouldn't the same behavior will be in all the other applications?

If you've accident set a hotkey in claws-mail, it'll only apply to that
application.  And most likely, only when that application's window is
active.

I've set hotkeys in (another application - OBS studio), and it meant
you could use that key when typing in it.  It would have nice to hit
the space bar, for example, to switch between cameras.  But doing so
meant you could use the space bar to type a space in its text editors.
 
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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[t_pol]

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 16:31:33 +0200
Bob Marcan  wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:08:40 +0200
> t_pol  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:00:11 +0200
> > Bob Marcan  wrote:
> >   
> > > Fedora 33 up to date (Sun Jun  6 11:47:43 CEST 2021)
> > > claws-mail-3.17.8-1.fc33.x86_64)
> > > 
> > > In claws-mail keyboard key "k" is ignored.
> > > Same key is working in all other applications.
> > > So it is not a keyboard problem. :-)
> > > Does anybody have an idea where is the problem?
> > > 
> > > TIA, Bob
> > 
> > Hi Bob.
> > Just guessing.
> > may be you've unintentionally assigned "k" to some menu item.
> > (It's just a matter of pressing a "key" while focusing the item with
> > the mouse pointer).
> > Ciao,
> > Angelo
> >   
> 
> Shouldn't the same behavior will be in all the other applications?

Don't think so. 
The described procedure is just claws-mail stuff.
see: 
-> Configuration 
-> Preferences 
-> Miscellaneous 
-> Keyboard Shortcuts 

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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[Bob Marcan]

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:08:40 +0200
t_pol  wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:00:11 +0200
> Bob Marcan  wrote:
> 
> > Fedora 33 up to date (Sun Jun  6 11:47:43 CEST 2021)
> > claws-mail-3.17.8-1.fc33.x86_64)
> > 
> > In claws-mail keyboard key "k" is ignored.
> > Same key is working in all other applications.
> > So it is not a keyboard problem. :-)
> > Does anybody have an idea where is the problem?
> > 
> > TIA, Bob  
> 
> Hi Bob.
> Just guessing.
> may be you've unintentionally assigned "k" to some menu item.
> (It's just a matter of pressing a "key" while focusing the item with
> the mouse pointer).
> Ciao,
> Angelo
> 

Shouldn't the same behavior will be in all the other applications?
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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[t_pol]

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:00:11 +0200
Bob Marcan  wrote:

> Fedora 33 up to date (Sun Jun  6 11:47:43 CEST 2021)
> claws-mail-3.17.8-1.fc33.x86_64)
> 
> In claws-mail keyboard key "k" is ignored.
> Same key is working in all other applications.
> So it is not a keyboard problem. :-)
> Does anybody have an idea where is the problem?
> 
> TIA, Bob

Hi Bob.
Just guessing.
may be you've unintentionally assigned "k" to some menu item.
(It's just a matter of pressing a "key" while focusing the item with
the mouse pointer).
Ciao,
Angelo



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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[Bob Marcan]

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 13:42:40 +0200
Michael Schwendt  wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:00:11 +0200, Bob Marcan wrote:
> 
> > Fedora 33 up to date (Sun Jun  6 11:47:43 CEST 2021)
> > claws-mail-3.17.8-1.fc33.x86_64)
> > 
> > In claws-mail keyboard key "k" is ignored.
> > Same key is working in all other applications.
> > So it is not a keyboard problem. :-)
> > Does anybody have an idea where is the problem?  
> 
> Where exactly? Inside the message compose window?
> In other editable GUI input fields like "To", "Cc", "Subject" lines?

everywhere, compose, subject, address ...

> 
> That would render the program unusable, which would be very odd
> given that it is used on a daily basis.
 
It was working before. Now i'm using external editor. 
Not very convenient.

> 
> Which graphical desktop environment do you use?
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fvwm
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Re: Troubles with the claws-mail

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:00:11 +0200, Bob Marcan wrote:

> Fedora 33 up to date (Sun Jun  6 11:47:43 CEST 2021)
> claws-mail-3.17.8-1.fc33.x86_64)
> 
> In claws-mail keyboard key "k" is ignored.
> Same key is working in all other applications.
> So it is not a keyboard problem. :-)
> Does anybody have an idea where is the problem?

Where exactly? Inside the message compose window?
In other editable GUI input fields like "To", "Cc", "Subject" lines?

That would render the program unusable, which would be very odd
given that it is used on a daily basis.

Which graphical desktop environment do you use?
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Troubles with the claws-mail

[Bob Marcan]

Fedora 33 up to date (Sun Jun  6 11:47:43 CEST 2021)
claws-mail-3.17.8-1.fc33.x86_64)

In claws-mail keyboard key "k" is ignored.
Same key is working in all other applications.
So it is not a keyboard problem. :-)
Does anybody have an idea where is the problem?

TIA, Bob
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Claws Mail 3.17.1 with experimental TLS SNI support

[Michael Schwendt]

For Fedora 29 and Rawhide:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mschwendt/claws-mail-testing/

If upgrading to these packages, be sure to upgrade also "libetpan"
and not only the "claws-mail*" packages.

As a side-note, the Dillo based HTML rendering plugin package
"claws-mail-plugins-dillo" is back with this release.
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Re: Claws-Mail doesn't start on FC28.

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 2018-05-02 at 09:18:44 Todd Zullinger wrote:

> Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> > Claws-Mail doesn't start on FC28 because it can't find
> > libnsl.so.1. A softlink to libnsl.so.2 fixes the issue.  
> 
> It's probably better to install libnsl which provides
> libnsl.so.1 rather than creating a symlink to a different
> library version.

I use to build claws-mail from source but wanted to try the package and it 
failed with the
error I described. I thought this symlink could act as a circumvention until 
the package
would be fixed.

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Re: Claws-Mail doesn't start on FC28.

[Todd Zullinger]

Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> Claws-Mail doesn't start on FC28 because it can't find
> libnsl.so.1. A softlink to libnsl.so.2 fixes the issue.

It's probably better to install libnsl which provides
libnsl.so.1 rather than creating a symlink to a different
library version.

But for what it's worth, claws-mail starts up without libnsl
installed for me.  I've not used it before, so I clicked
through the setup process and the app started without error.
Perhaps it's a plugin which has the libnsl.so.1 dependency?

It would be good to find out if there's a package which is
missing a dependency.  Something like this might help turn
up any plugin which needs libnsl.so.1:

ldd /usr/lib*/claws-mail/plugins/*.so | egrep 'libnsl.so.1|:$'

I'm not a claws-mail user, so I don't know if it stores
plugins elsewhere.  If so, you'd want to look in those
locations as well.

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Claws-Mail doesn't start on FC28.

[Erik P. Olsen]

Claws-Mail doesn't start on FC28 because it can't find libnsl.so.1. A softlink 
to
libnsl.so.2 fixes the issue.

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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 03/05/18 16:47, wwp wrote:

I already gave you a clue about how to do that in another email (even,
twice).

1) select the emails to filter
2) Tools/Filter selected messages

That will do it, provided that your filter rules don't expect messages
to be unread or new (since they are from a former incorporation, they
aren't new anymore, even if you can set them the unread status).


.

Yes, thank you, I know I tried that several times without success. But I 
have recreated everything and perhaps I can find why it fails. Right now 
I have domestic chores to deal with but will get to it later.


Bob

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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[wwp]

Hello Bob,


On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:35:04 -0500 Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 03/05/18 10:11, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> > OK, let me serve you the piece of cake :-)
> >
> > 1. Configuration -> Filtering
> > 2. Give the filter in question a name (any name will do)
> > 3. Hit the upper define button to define the condition on which the filter 
> > should act.
> > 4. If you for example want to filter messages from a certain user press the 
> > "Match
> > Criteria" pull down and select "Header"
> > 5. Now you can select which message header to use by pressing the "Name" 
> > pull down and in
> > the case of matching a user's mail address select "From" and enter the 
> > user's address in
> > the empty box below the "Name" box.
> > 6. Now press "Add" and "OK"
> > 7. You have now defined the filter condition and you remain the define what 
> > the filter
> > should do. Press the lower define button.
> > 8. It comes up with the action "Move" as default. Press the "Action" pull 
> > down to see the
> > various possible actions. Select one of them and pick the target 
> > destination through the
> > "Select" button.
> > 9. Once the destination  is selected you press "OK", then "Add" and "OK"-
> > 10. Your filter is now defined and you activate it by pressing "Add" an 
> > "OK".
> >
> > Have fun.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Erik P. Olsen  
> 
> .
> 
> Thanks to all for the help.
> 
> So far so good. I have several filters working and displaying incoming new 
> messages in the sub-directories I've created. But I still have 785 earlier 
> messages in the fastmail inbox that I would like to run through those filters 
> and have not found how to do that?

I already gave you a clue about how to do that in another email (even,
twice).

1) select the emails to filter
2) Tools/Filter selected messages

That will do it, provided that your filter rules don't expect messages
to be unread or new (since they are from a former incorporation, they
aren't new anymore, even if you can set them the unread status).


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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 03/05/18 10:11, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

OK, let me serve you the piece of cake :-)

1. Configuration -> Filtering
2. Give the filter in question a name (any name will do)
3. Hit the upper define button to define the condition on which the filter 
should act.
4. If you for example want to filter messages from a certain user press the 
"Match
Criteria" pull down and select "Header"
5. Now you can select which message header to use by pressing the "Name" pull 
down and in
the case of matching a user's mail address select "From" and enter the user's 
address in
the empty box below the "Name" box.
6. Now press "Add" and "OK"
7. You have now defined the filter condition and you remain the define what the 
filter
should do. Press the lower define button.
8. It comes up with the action "Move" as default. Press the "Action" pull down 
to see the
various possible actions. Select one of them and pick the target destination 
through the
"Select" button.
9. Once the destination  is selected you press "OK", then "Add" and "OK"-
10. Your filter is now defined and you activate it by pressing "Add" an "OK".

Have fun.

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Erik P. Olsen


.

Thanks to all for the help.

So far so good. I have several filters working and displaying incoming 
new messages in the sub-directories I've created. But I still have 785 
earlier messages in the fastmail inbox that I would like to run through 
those filters and have not found how to do that?


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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 2018-03-04 at 12:10:38 Bob Goodwin wrote:

> On 03/04/18 11:28, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> > On 2018-03-04 at 10:49:02 Bob Goodwin wrote:
> >  
> >> I wanted to try Claws-Mail but after several days of sporadic attempts
> >> to filter messages into my usual directories I am ready to admit defeat
> >> and remove Claws. It was installed via dnf in this updated Fedora 27. I
> >> asked on the Claws list but there was no response.
> >>
> >> As a last resort perhaps someone can give me an example of a working set
> >> of entries for the filter menu? I tried what appeared reasonable based
> >> on what help I found in google but it always refused to save.
> >>
> >> .
> >>   
> >> Configuration -> Filtering
> >>
> >>  From then on you give the filter a name and press the two define buttons 
> >> on the
> >> right of the display and I am sure you can find the right way to create a 
> >> filter.
> >> It's a piece of cake.
> >> 
> "It's a piece of cake." For you perhaps but I've spent more time than I 
> want to admit trying to get something in those entries that would even 
> begin to work like "move #mh/Mailbox/inbox/Fedora." That's about all 
> I've found. I made the list of inbox subdirectories of which Fedora us 
> one. but there are other items, the entries for which are not  obvious 
> or suggested anywhere that I have found [examples].
> 

OK, let me serve you the piece of cake :-)

1. Configuration -> Filtering
2. Give the filter in question a name (any name will do)
3. Hit the upper define button to define the condition on which the filter 
should act.
4. If you for example want to filter messages from a certain user press the 
"Match
Criteria" pull down and select "Header"
5. Now you can select which message header to use by pressing the "Name" pull 
down and in
the case of matching a user's mail address select "From" and enter the user's 
address in
the empty box below the "Name" box.
6. Now press "Add" and "OK"
7. You have now defined the filter condition and you remain the define what the 
filter
should do. Press the lower define button.
8. It comes up with the action "Move" as default. Press the "Action" pull down 
to see the
various possible actions. Select one of them and pick the target destination 
through the
"Select" button. 
9. Once the destination  is selected you press "OK", then "Add" and "OK"-
10. Your filter is now defined and you activate it by pressing "Add" an "OK".

Have fun.

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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Tim]

On Sun, 2018-03-04 at 11:00 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I've never found a mail client that could do filtering worth spit.

I found that YAM (Yet Another Mailer) on the Amiga was good, back in
the day...  I'm continually amazed at how crap software can be at
running on some gigahertz multi-CPU with gigabits of RAM, compared to
what we used to do on a 16 MHz CPU with 4 megs of RAM.

My old Amiga could cold boot in 13 seconds.  Booting should, by now,
take a only fraction of a second.  When I run a program it shouldn't
take an age to get going, nor lock up the computer while it does so.

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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Heinz Diehl]

On 04.03.2018, Tom Horsley wrote: 

> I've never found a mail client that could do filtering worth spit.

I pull using getmail. Then, procmail sorts the mail into different
directories which I read using mutt. Have been doing this over two
decades, and it works as intended.

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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 03/04/18 17:46, wwp wrote:

Hello Bob,


On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:10:18 -0500 Bob Goodwin  wrote:


On 03/04/18 13:23, stan wrote:

It's a little convoluted (so is my explanation below).  Suppose I want
to send all the mail from you to a spam folder.

I would click on Tools -> Create Filter rule.  I haven't used
automatically, so I'm not sure what will happen there. To get rid of
your mail, I would click By From.  This brings up the list of current
rules.  It shows your address, but a blank action.  I click on the
Define button to the right of Action.  It brings up a window with move
as the default action.  I click on the Select, to select where I want
your mail moved.  Let's say I already have a mail folder called
spam_folder (it has to be defined in claws), and I just click on that.
Then, here's the tricky part, I have to add it to the actions before I
say OK.  Then I have to add it to the list of rules before I say OK.
Now, the filter is all set and will work.

.

With this information I am able to get some results. My problem apparently was working from the 
Configuration menu, Tools has two creates, "Create filter rule" and "Create 
processing rule." I'm not sure which one is the right one to use to sort my incoming messages 
into folders but I'll muddle through there.

Filtering rules are for filtering emails that are being retrieved from
server (POP, IMAP, NNTP).

Processing rules are for filtering emails in folders, when entering
those folders or when doing a right click on a folder then "Run
processing rules".

Additionally, you can manually apply "filtering rules" by doing
Tools/Filter all messages in folder or Tools/Filter selected messages.



One other thing, how do I tell a it to go back and look at the inbox and move 
mail from there into a directory using a new filter/process I have created?

Got your answer above?


Regards,

.
Yes, this is the kind of information I was looking for. I will save this 
in my notes.


I will work on this tomorrow morning.

Thank you,

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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[wwp]

Hello Bob,


On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:10:18 -0500 Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 03/04/18 13:23, stan wrote:
> > It's a little convoluted (so is my explanation below).  Suppose I want
> > to send all the mail from you to a spam folder.
> >
> > I would click on Tools -> Create Filter rule.  I haven't used
> > automatically, so I'm not sure what will happen there. To get rid of
> > your mail, I would click By From.  This brings up the list of current
> > rules.  It shows your address, but a blank action.  I click on the
> > Define button to the right of Action.  It brings up a window with move
> > as the default action.  I click on the Select, to select where I want
> > your mail moved.  Let's say I already have a mail folder called
> > spam_folder (it has to be defined in claws), and I just click on that.
> > Then, here's the tricky part, I have to add it to the actions before I
> > say OK.  Then I have to add it to the list of rules before I say OK.
> > Now, the filter is all set and will work.  
> 
> .
> 
> With this information I am able to get some results. My problem apparently 
> was working from the Configuration menu, Tools has two creates, "Create 
> filter rule" and "Create processing rule." I'm not sure which one is the 
> right one to use to sort my incoming messages into folders but I'll muddle 
> through there.

Filtering rules are for filtering emails that are being retrieved from
server (POP, IMAP, NNTP).

Processing rules are for filtering emails in folders, when entering
those folders or when doing a right click on a folder then "Run
processing rules".

Additionally, you can manually apply "filtering rules" by doing
Tools/Filter all messages in folder or Tools/Filter selected messages.


> One other thing, how do I tell a it to go back and look at the inbox and move 
> mail from there into a directory using a new filter/process I have created?

Got your answer above?


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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 03/04/18 13:23, stan wrote:

It's a little convoluted (so is my explanation below).  Suppose I want
to send all the mail from you to a spam folder.

I would click on Tools -> Create Filter rule.  I haven't used
automatically, so I'm not sure what will happen there. To get rid of
your mail, I would click By From.  This brings up the list of current
rules.  It shows your address, but a blank action.  I click on the
Define button to the right of Action.  It brings up a window with move
as the default action.  I click on the Select, to select where I want
your mail moved.  Let's say I already have a mail folder called
spam_folder (it has to be defined in claws), and I just click on that.
Then, here's the tricky part, I have to add it to the actions before I
say OK.  Then I have to add it to the list of rules before I say OK.
Now, the filter is all set and will work.


.

With this information I am able to get some results. My problem 
apparently was working from the Configuration menu, Tools has two 
creates, "Create filter rule" and "Create processing rule." I'm not sure 
which one is the right one to use to sort my incoming messages into 
folders but I'll muddle through there.


One other thing, how do I tell a it to go back and look at the inbox and 
move mail from there into a directory using a new filter/process I have 
created?


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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[stan]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:49:02 -0500
Bob Goodwin <bobgood...@fastmail.us> wrote:

> I wanted to try Claws-Mail but after several days of sporadic
> attempts to filter messages into my usual directories I am ready to
> admit defeat and remove Claws. It was installed via dnf in this
> updated Fedora 27. I asked on the Claws list but there was no
> response.

It's a little convoluted (so is my explanation below).  Suppose I want
to send all the mail from you to a spam folder.

I would click on Tools -> Create Filter rule.  I haven't used
automatically, so I'm not sure what will happen there. To get rid of
your mail, I would click By From.  This brings up the list of current
rules.  It shows your address, but a blank action.  I click on the
Define button to the right of Action.  It brings up a window with move
as the default action.  I click on the Select, to select where I want
your mail moved.  Let's say I already have a mail folder called
spam_folder (it has to be defined in claws), and I just click on that.
Then, here's the tricky part, I have to add it to the actions before I
say OK.  Then I have to add it to the list of rules before I say OK.
Now, the filter is all set and will work.

> As a last resort perhaps someone can give me an example of a working
> set of entries for the filter menu? I tried what appeared reasonable
> based on what help I found in google but it always refused to save.

You probably skipped a step, see above.

The actual filter rules are in a file called matcherrc in the directory
~/.claws-mail.

Here is an example for folder bugzilla using one of the built-ins
(from) (should be single line, wrapped on re-editing)

enabled rulename "" from matchcase "bugzi...@redhat.com" move
"#mh/Mailbox/bugzilla"

Here's one for a non default header component (should be single line,
wrapped on re-editing)

enabled rulename "" header "Authentication-Results" matchcase
"spf=fail" move "#mh/Mailbox/spam_folder"

If you decide to make your rules by editing the matcherrc file, be sure
that claws is not running.

Claws might not be suitable for your work flow.  So it goes.  That's
why choice is so great, we all get the tools we want to use.
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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 03/04/18 11:28, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

On 2018-03-04 at 10:49:02 Bob Goodwin wrote:


I wanted to try Claws-Mail but after several days of sporadic attempts
to filter messages into my usual directories I am ready to admit defeat
and remove Claws. It was installed via dnf in this updated Fedora 27. I
asked on the Claws list but there was no response.

As a last resort perhaps someone can give me an example of a working set
of entries for the filter menu? I tried what appeared reasonable based
on what help I found in google but it always refused to save.

.
  
Configuration -> Filtering


 From then on you give the filter a name and press the two define buttons on 
the right of
the display and I am sure you can find the right way to create a filter. It's a 
piece of
cake.
  
"It's a piece of cake." For you perhaps but I've spent more time than I 
want to admit trying to get something in those entries that would even 
begin to work like "move #mh/Mailbox/inbox/Fedora." That's about all 
I've found. I made the list of inbox subdirectories of which Fedora us 
one. but there are other items, the entries for which are not  obvious 
or suggested anywhere that I have found [examples].


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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 2018-03-04 at 10:49:02 Bob Goodwin wrote:

> I wanted to try Claws-Mail but after several days of sporadic attempts 
> to filter messages into my usual directories I am ready to admit defeat 
> and remove Claws. It was installed via dnf in this updated Fedora 27. I 
> asked on the Claws list but there was no response.
> 
> As a last resort perhaps someone can give me an example of a working set 
> of entries for the filter menu? I tried what appeared reasonable based 
> on what help I found in google but it always refused to save.
> 
> Bob
> 

 
Configuration -> Filtering

From then on you give the filter a name and press the two define buttons on the 
right of
the display and I am sure you can find the right way to create a filter. It's a 
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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 03/04/18 11:00, Tom Horsley wrote:

I've never found a mail client that could do filtering worth spit.

What I do is a lot more trouble, but it seems worth it in the
end: I run the dovecot IMAP server on my system, use fetchmail
to suck mail off other servers and feed it to dovecot, then
use the dovecot-sieve package to have dovecot do the filtering
at the IMAP server level.

A fair amount of trouble to setup, but once working, I can switch
email clients at will and get the exact same filtering.
___


Yeah that's probably a solution. It seems I continually fiddle with the 
Thunderbird filters, they always work to some degree and aren't hard to 
set up but there are annoying things that happen, like showing stuff in 
trash as unread until I run the filter manually ...


I'll consider trying your solution after I remove Claws.

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Re: Claws-Mail filters -

[Tom Horsley]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:49:02 -0500
Bob Goodwin wrote:

> I wanted to try Claws-Mail but after several days of sporadic attempts 
> to filter messages into my usual directories I am ready to admit defeat 
> and remove Claws.

I've never found a mail client that could do filtering worth spit.

What I do is a lot more trouble, but it seems worth it in the
end: I run the dovecot IMAP server on my system, use fetchmail
to suck mail off other servers and feed it to dovecot, then
use the dovecot-sieve package to have dovecot do the filtering
at the IMAP server level.

A fair amount of trouble to setup, but once working, I can switch
email clients at will and get the exact same filtering.
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Claws-Mail filters -

[Bob Goodwin]

I wanted to try Claws-Mail but after several days of sporadic attempts 
to filter messages into my usual directories I am ready to admit defeat 
and remove Claws. It was installed via dnf in this updated Fedora 27. I 
asked on the Claws list but there was no response.


As a last resort perhaps someone can give me an example of a working set 
of entries for the filter menu? I tried what appeared reasonable based 
on what help I found in google but it always refused to save.


Bob

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Re: Claws-Mail

[Michael Schwendt]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 10:35:01 -0700, stan wrote:

> > After last update of Claws-Mail reading new mails, something is
> > changed. I read first mail, after reading I move it into trash,
> > cursor jumps to last unread mail. Before update worked, after moved
> > trash, cursor went next unread mail.
> > 
> > Anyone else noticed?  
> 
> Yes, on one system (rawhide, future f26).  But it isn't happening on
> this system. I think this is happening because a fix was issued for a
> bug that was in 3.13. It was related to the next_on_delete setting in
> clawsrc.  If set to sort_descending, it would move up instead of down
> in the inbox when a message was deleted.  

It's mentioned in the release notes, also in the Fedora Update system
ticket.

Plus, there is the "clawsker" package that includes a tool you can
use to toggle various hidden options available in Claws Mail.
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Re: Claws-Mail

[stan]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 04:58:16 +0300
jarmo <oh1...@nic.fi> wrote:

> Mon, 10 Oct 2016 10:35:01 -0700
> stan <stanl-fedorau...@vfemail.net> kirjoitti:
> 
> > I haven't tried it yet, but you could try playing around with the
> > sort order in preferences.  If that doesn't work, exit claws, and
> > edit the ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc file and set next_on_delete=0 to
> > next_on_delete=1.  Then start claws again and try playing with the  
> 
> That did the trick. Set it 1 now works like
> before.

Excellent.  And now I know how to fix my problem child.
> 
> Thanks for advice, was quite annoying read mails jumping
> up and down :)

I agree, I certainly found it annoying.
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Re: Claws-Mail

[jarmo]

Mon, 10 Oct 2016 10:35:01 -0700
stan <stanl-fedorau...@vfemail.net> kirjoitti:

> I haven't tried it yet, but you could try playing around with the sort
> order in preferences.  If that doesn't work, exit claws, and edit the
> ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc file and set next_on_delete=0 to
> next_on_delete=1.  Then start claws again and try playing with the

That did the trick. Set it 1 now works like
before.

Thanks for advice, was quite annoying read mails jumping
up and down :)

Jarmo
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Re: Claws-Mail

[stan]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:12:30 +0300
jarmo <oh1...@nic.fi> wrote:

> After last update of Claws-Mail reading new mails, something is
> changed. I read first mail, after reading I move it into trash,
> cursor jumps to last unread mail. Before update worked, after moved
> trash, cursor went next unread mail.
> 
> Anyone else noticed?

Yes, on one system (rawhide, future f26).  But it isn't happening on
this system. I think this is happening because a fix was issued for a
bug that was in 3.13. It was related to the next_on_delete setting in
clawsrc.  If set to sort_descending, it would move up instead of down
in the inbox when a message was deleted.  

It's weird, because there is zero difference between the clawsrc on the
system where it works and the system where it doesn't.  The major
difference between those two systems is that one is still on X 1.18
(the one that works) and the other is on X 1.19.

I haven't tried it yet, but you could try playing around with the sort
order in preferences.  If that doesn't work, exit claws, and edit the
~/.claws-mail/clawsrc file and set next_on_delete=0 to
next_on_delete=1.  Then start claws again and try playing with the sort
options again.  If it still doesn't work, you should go to the claws
site and search their mailing list archives to see if anyone else has
reported the issue, and a workaround.  If there is no mention, you
should ask on their list or open a bugzilla at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/


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Claws-Mail

[jarmo]

After last update of Claws-Mail reading new mails, something is changed.
I read first mail, after reading I move it into trash, cursor jumps to
last unread mail. Before update worked, after moved trash, cursor went
next unread mail.

Anyone else noticed?

Jarmo
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Re: Claws mail -

[g]

On 04/30/16 03:01, Bob Goodwin wrote:
<<>>

> At the moment, as a result of my inquiry 
> here, Thunderbird is "fixed" 
> sufficiently that it works for me and I 
> will learn to cope with some odd quirks 
> acquired in the process, I may even 
> prefer those differences; as I continue 
> to look at alternatives ...
>
===>
have a look at seamonkey.


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[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 29 April 2016, Bob Goodwin sent:
> Xfce has what are probably the same 
> settings options and I use all the 
> appropriate ones for high contrast, text 
> size, etc. Wherever possible I choose 
> text not icons and white on black for 
> the text. However all of that has little 
> effect on Thunderbird and Firefox, even 
> Midori and SeaMonkey which I also use 
> where Firefox fails for me.

That may be because they use one of the other graphics engines, and XFCE
settings may not be applicable (totally or partially).  If I recall
correctly, those kind of applications tend to be Gnome/GTK.

> The remaining problem is that the 
> Thunderbird message text area seems to 
> have grown smaller over the years.

Yes, I've noticed that kind of malarkey when mum used to use it.  I
haven't been able to stand Thunderbird for many years, because of the
painful way it does a myriad of things.  Out of all the Linux clients
I've tried over the years, Evolution has been the least painful.  And
that's been my experience, not finding a good client, but finding the
least annoying.

> So I began looking for an alternative 
> e-mail application and thought Claws 
> might be a possibility but it presents a 
> different set of things to work around. 
> That and the fact that we are stuck with 
> a poor aspect ratio in the available 
> monitors. A larger monitor monitor gives 
> very little more room for text and I 
> tend to use only about 12 inches of 
> width for the message text to make it 
> easier for me to follow from line to 
> line with my vision ...


Just a thought, does using a monitor in portrait orientation work better
for you?  Emails tend to be longer than wider, and clients *may*
organise their display better in another orientation.


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Re: Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/29/16 23:13, g wrote:

===>

again you are saying "Claws", yet you are posting about problems
with thunderbird.

or are you referring to 'bird claws'? ;=)


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I realize that now but at the time 
"Subject: Claws" seemed appropriate. I 
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Thunderbird seems to be gradually 
becoming less what I would like and I 
guess the hidden subject is really, what 
can I replace Thunderbird with, while 
undoing some of of the stuff that 
bothers me?


At the moment, as a result of my inquiry 
here, Thunderbird is "fixed" 
sufficiently that it works for me and I 
will learn to cope with some odd quirks 
acquired in the process, I may even 
prefer those differences; as I continue 
to look at alternatives ...


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Re: Claws mail -

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On 04/28/16 12:39, Bob Goodwin wrote:
<<>>

> I just finished a two days in the
> hospital after an incident with a horse
>
===>

have you not learned to not stand in front of a charging horse?

> and my "Claws" issues become lower
> priority for a while due to other things
> that need attention.
>
===>

again you are saying "Claws", yet you are posting about problems
with thunderbird.

or are you referring to 'bird claws'? ;=)


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Re: Claws mail -

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On 04/29/16 19:44, Dave Stevens wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:28:37 -0400
> Bob Goodwin  wrote:
>> On 04/29/16 18:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> You've also managed to switch to 
>>> terrible HTML mail with white on black... 
>> .
>> The white on black I prefer normally but 
>> Thunderbird should send messages to this 
>> address as plain text. I usually check 
>> that in options to be doubly certain but 
>> perhaps forgot ...
>>
>> I will check to see why this "terrible 
>> thing" happened.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> wouldn't this thread be good on the claws list?
>
===>

not really.

Bob gave his post wrong "Subject:" name.

if you read thru post, you will see Bob is trying to get _thunderbird_
to produce a 'white on black' appearance.


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Re: Claws mail -

[Dave Stevens]

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:28:37 -0400
Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 04/29/16 18:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > You've also managed to switch to 
> > terrible HTML mail with white on black... 
> .
> The white on black I prefer normally but 
> Thunderbird should send messages to this 
> address as plain text. I usually check 
> that in options to be doubly certain but 
> perhaps forgot ...
> 
> I will check to see why this "terrible 
> thing" happened.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob
> 

wouldn't this thread be good on the claws list?

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On 04/29/16 16:21, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 04/29/16 12:43, Rick Stevens wrote:
>>
>> You do know you can resize the various 
>> Thunderbird panes by putting the
>> cursor over the dividing lines, 
>> waiting for it to turn into the double
>> arrow cursor, holding the left mouse 
>> button down and dragging the lines
>> whichever way you want. It's sticky, 
>> meaning the next time you open
>> Thunderbird it'll appear in the same 
>> way you buggered it the last time.
>> I've used it extensively.
> .
> 
> Yes I do that routinely but that can't 
> be done on that center panel that takes 
> up about 11 lines between the usual list 
> at the top and the message text pane. 
> When I open your message with a double 
> click the top pane closes but the 11 
> line space just moves up adding four or 
> five more lines of space to the message 
> text panel.
>
===>

not quite true.

what you want is configurable. i do not recall if it is a standard
thunderbird setting or if it is via add-on. will need some time to
find info on it.

i do not read messages in center panel, i use separate window. in
both, i have 4 lines in header area. with separate window also showing
'Menu bar' and 'Mail toolbar'. both of those bars can be remove using
'View > Toolbars' from 'Menu' bar. if you remove 'Menu bar', it is
brought back with .


back to setting 'white on black'.

you never replied back about those settings because you where in hospital
because you got in way of your horse. be glad it was not a horned bull. 8=)

you did mention something about changing window borders. such can also be
done via about:config | userChrome.css | userContent.css.

to get you familiar with near all the ways of configurations, i included
some links to guide you thru changes. which i imagine you have yet to read.

here are some more links to help you with all the customizing you are
wanting to do.

=+=+=
listing of customizations:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Category:Visual_customizations_%28Thunderbird%29

names for viewing panes with examples of layouts:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Window_layout_-_Thunderbird

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_background_colors

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Change_Background_Color

http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css

http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserContent.css

http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8.0/source/mail/themes/qute/mail/folderPane.css
=+=+=

these are all from my bookmarks and are what i have gone thru over the
years of using thunderbird. some i recall, some i do not.

also, what "i do not", is know just what all you want to do and what you
will accept for 'close' or 'almost'.

so you can get 'spot on' or 'will have to accept', *you need* to go thru
links and decide for yourself what you want.

another thing you can do to get thunderbird changed to your liking is to
use "skin" to change window frame and content. there are skins that will
change both frame and text, including a light/white on dark/black. do know
that some skins will disable some changes already made. only way to know
is for *you* to try.


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Re: Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/29/16 18:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:
You've also managed to switch to 
terrible HTML mail with white on black... 

.
The white on black I prefer normally but 
Thunderbird should send messages to this 
address as plain text. I usually check 
that in options to be doubly certain but 
perhaps forgot ...


I will check to see why this "terrible 
thing" happened.


Thanks,

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Re: Claws mail -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/29/2016 03:02 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

Yes, I installed that and it appears to solve the immediate problem by
reducing that panel to two lines of information that I do use. Very good
suggestion.


You've also managed to switch to terrible HTML mail with white on black...
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Re: Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/29/16 14:32, Robert Nichols wrote:


The is also an available 
"CompactHeader" addon for Thunderbird, 
which
add the ability to reduce the header 
size to one or two lines. I've been

using that for quite a few years, now.

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Yes, I installed that and it appears to 
solve the immediate problem by reducing 
that panel to two lines of information 
that I do use. Very good suggestion.


Thanks,

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Re: Claws mail -

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/29/2016 02:21 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 04/29/16 12:43, Rick Stevens wrote:


You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the
cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double
arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines
whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open
Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time.
I've used it extensively.

.

Yes I do that routinely but that can't be done on that center panel that
takes up about 11 lines between the usual list at the top and the
message text pane. When I open your message with a double click the top
pane closes but the 11 line space just moves up adding four or five more
lines of space to the message text panel.


Ah, I see what you mean. You're referring to the grey bar with the From,
Subject and To fields along with the disposition buttons (Reply, 
Forward, etc.). Yes, that can't be resized. I stand (er, sit) corrected.



And this problem remains after I have downgraded to 38.3.0 ...

Poma has suggested Balsa and I've downloaded that to try. That and we
are building a horse shed, and I have a new router that needs Tomato
installed, but the e-mail configuration "problem" probably takes
precedence. Now Balsa looks hopeful to me ...


Never used Balsa so I can't speak to it.
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Re: Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/29/16 12:43, Rick Stevens wrote:


You do know you can resize the various 
Thunderbird panes by putting the
cursor over the dividing lines, 
waiting for it to turn into the double
arrow cursor, holding the left mouse 
button down and dragging the lines
whichever way you want. It's sticky, 
meaning the next time you open
Thunderbird it'll appear in the same 
way you buggered it the last time.

I've used it extensively.

.

Yes I do that routinely but that can't 
be done on that center panel that takes 
up about 11 lines between the usual list 
at the top and the message text pane. 
When I open your message with a double 
click the top pane closes but the 11 
line space just moves up adding four or 
five more lines of space to the message 
text panel.


And this problem remains after I have 
downgraded to 38.3.0 ...


Poma has suggested Balsa and I've 
downloaded that to try. That and we are 
building a horse shed, and I have a new 
router that needs Tomato installed, but 
the e-mail configuration "problem" 
probably takes precedence. Now Balsa 
looks hopeful to me ...


Bob

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Re: Claws mail -

[Robert Nichols]

On 04/29/2016 11:43 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 04/29/2016 06:57 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

The remaining problem is that the Thunderbird message text area seems to
have grown smaller over the years.
The window has the usual needed information at the top but in the center
there is a large block of double spaced information much of which is
already available at the top and all is readily available via menus
provided. For me that center third of the display is just an annoyance,
at least 7 of the 11 lines of the space it takes I would like to
eliminate.  Double clicking on the message list [opening?] changes the
display and improves the space available for the message text, I prefer
not to do that.


You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the
cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double
arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines
whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open
Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time.
I've used it extensively.


The is also an available "CompactHeader" addon for Thunderbird, which
add the ability to reduce the header size to one or two lines. I've been
using that for quite a few years, now.

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Re: Claws mail -

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/29/2016 06:57 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 04/29/16 06:39, Tim wrote:

.

I used to use Gnome, now I use Mate, but they both had (and Mate still
does), options to set your display*look*  preferences (Mate has it in
the accessibility / universal access settings.  Where you get a few
choices for low, normal, high contrast, and high contrast & inverse.
Gnome used to do it with Themes.

The idea is that it sets the basic desktop colour scheme for most things
(windows, menus, text foreground and backgrounds), and some desktops let
you set them with RGB sliders rather than just give you some presets.

However, you do come a cropper with some applications that either don't
use the desktop colours in a logical fashion, or their display section
takes their colours from the source of what they're displaying (such as
anything that shows HTML).  Likewise, it's confusing if you're word
processing and including graphics.  The printer is most likely to print
the text black on a white page, because you're*displaying*  it in
inverse, not painting it in those colours.  And judging how a graphic
fits into that scheme is difficult, too.

--

.
Xfce has what are probably the same settings options and I use all the
appropriate ones for high contrast, text size, etc. Wherever possible I
choose text not icons and white on black for the text. However all of
that has little effect on Thunderbird and Firefox, even Midori and
SeaMonkey which I also use where Firefox fails for me.

The remaining problem is that the Thunderbird message text area seems to
have grown smaller over the years.
The window has the usual needed information at the top but in the center
there is a large block of double spaced information much of which is
already available at the top and all is readily available via menus
provided. For me that center third of the display is just an annoyance,
at least 7 of the 11 lines of the space it takes I would like to
eliminate.  Double clicking on the message list [opening?] changes the
display and improves the space available for the message text, I prefer
not to do that.


You do know you can resize the various Thunderbird panes by putting the
cursor over the dividing lines, waiting for it to turn into the double
arrow cursor, holding the left mouse button down and dragging the lines
whichever way you want. It's sticky, meaning the next time you open
Thunderbird it'll appear in the same way you buggered it the last time.
I've used it extensively.


So I began looking for an alternative e-mail application and thought
Claws might be a possibility but it presents a different set of things
to work around. That and the fact that we are stuck with a poor aspect
ratio in the available monitors. A larger monitor monitor gives very
little more room for text and I tend to use only about 12 inches of
width for the message text to make it easier for me to follow from line
to line with my vision ...

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Re: Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/29/16 06:39, Tim wrote:

.

I used to use Gnome, now I use Mate, but they both had (and Mate still
does), options to set your display*look*  preferences (Mate has it in
the accessibility / universal access settings.  Where you get a few
choices for low, normal, high contrast, and high contrast & inverse.
Gnome used to do it with Themes.

The idea is that it sets the basic desktop colour scheme for most things
(windows, menus, text foreground and backgrounds), and some desktops let
you set them with RGB sliders rather than just give you some presets.

However, you do come a cropper with some applications that either don't
use the desktop colours in a logical fashion, or their display section
takes their colours from the source of what they're displaying (such as
anything that shows HTML).  Likewise, it's confusing if you're word
processing and including graphics.  The printer is most likely to print
the text black on a white page, because you're*displaying*  it in
inverse, not painting it in those colours.  And judging how a graphic
fits into that scheme is difficult, too.

--

.
Xfce has what are probably the same 
settings options and I use all the 
appropriate ones for high contrast, text 
size, etc. Wherever possible I choose 
text not icons and white on black for 
the text. However all of that has little 
effect on Thunderbird and Firefox, even 
Midori and SeaMonkey which I also use 
where Firefox fails for me.


The remaining problem is that the 
Thunderbird message text area seems to 
have grown smaller over the years.
The window has the usual needed 
information at the top but in the center 
there is a large block of double spaced 
information much of which is already 
available at the top and all is readily 
available via menus provided. For me 
that center third of the display is just 
an annoyance, at least 7 of the 11 lines 
of the space it takes I would like to 
eliminate.  Double clicking on the 
message list [opening?] changes the 
display and improves the space available 
for the message text, I prefer not to do 
that.


So I began looking for an alternative 
e-mail application and thought Claws 
might be a possibility but it presents a 
different set of things to work around. 
That and the fact that we are stuck with 
a poor aspect ratio in the available 
monitors. A larger monitor monitor gives 
very little more room for text and I 
tend to use only about 12 inches of 
width for the message text to make it 
easier for me to follow from line to 
line with my vision ...


Bob

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Re: Claws mail -

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 28 April 2016, Bob Goodwin sent:
> I do make setup selections for high 
> contrast, even the high contrast icons, 
> DejaVuSans text, etc. but I don't know 
> of any _overall_ "reversed colour 
> scheme(bright on dark)" option? I am 
> able to use an option to get reverse 
> colors with pdf's in Evince and use that 
> often. 

I used to use Gnome, now I use Mate, but they both had (and Mate still
does), options to set your display *look* preferences (Mate has it in
the accessibility / universal access settings.  Where you get a few
choices for low, normal, high contrast, and high contrast & inverse.
Gnome used to do it with Themes.

The idea is that it sets the basic desktop colour scheme for most things
(windows, menus, text foreground and backgrounds), and some desktops let
you set them with RGB sliders rather than just give you some presets.

However, you do come a cropper with some applications that either don't
use the desktop colours in a logical fashion, or their display section
takes their colours from the source of what they're displaying (such as
anything that shows HTML).  Likewise, it's confusing if you're word
processing and including graphics.  The printer is most likely to print
the text black on a white page, because you're *displaying* it in
inverse, not painting it in those colours.  And judging how a graphic
fits into that scheme is difficult, too.

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Re: Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/26/16 02:38, Tim wrote:

I would have thought that you'd be configuring the overall operating
system display preferences for high contrast, reversed colour scheme
(bright on dark), and that programs like mail clients would inherit
those options (ignoring HTML displays that set their own colours).

.

I do make setup selections for high 
contrast, even the high contrast icons, 
DejaVuSans text, etc. but I don't know 
of any _overall_ "reversed colour 
scheme(bright on dark)" option? I am 
able to use an option to get reverse 
colors with pdf's in Evince and use that 
often.


I set Thunderbird to display white text 
on black, but that only controls the 
message text panel, the rest is the 
usual black on white, and I can make do 
with that until an appearance extension 
catches up.


The latest Thunderbird leaves only the 
bottom third of this wide screen for the 
text. The rest is filled up with double 
spaced information, the center third 
being essentially a duplicate of 
information listed at the top third with 
a few lines I don't need, I don't 
routinely need Message ID and In Reply 
To. I know that extraneous information 
panel can be cleared by double clicking 
to open the message and add space for 
the message text but I don't usually 
open the message.


I just finished a two days in the 
hospital after an incident with a horse 
and my "Claws" issues become lower 
priority for a while due to other things 
that need attention.


Thanks,

Bob

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Re: Claws mail -

[g]

On 04/26/16 01:21, g wrote:
<>

> what i did find is 2 urls for mozilla site that i had forgotten about. they
> did not show up in search of bookmarks because i did not tag them with
> 'userchrome.css', the are now.
> 
>http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bad_Eyesight_-_Thunderbird
>http://kb.mozillazine.org/White_on_black_-_Thunderbird
> 
> unfortunately, 'white on black' does not mention quoted bar and text.
>
===>

read above links.

open thunderbird, make these changes to thunderbird's "about:config";

  browser.display.background_color   #00

  browser.display.foreground_color   #FF

  browser.display.focus_text_color   #FF

  editor.background_color#FF

  messagecompose.background_color#00

  msgcompose.text_color  #FF

close thunderbird.

to change colors for 'quoted text', check for a file;

   /home/bob/.thunderbird/.default/chrome/userContent.css

if present, add below. if not, create and add below;

  /* replace colored bars with ">" */
  .moz-text-plain blockquote[type=cite] {color: white;}
{border: none !important; padding: 0 !important;}

  /* Quoted text in plain-text replies */
  span[_moz_quote=true] {color: white;}

save file.

open thunderbird, do you now have white on black for emails being
read, composed, and replied to.

yes|no|maybe?

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Re: Claws mail -

[Tim]

On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 05:09 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> After this morning's dnf upgrade of 
> Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
> 
> I would like to configure claws to 
> display white text on a black background 
> but have not been able to find how to do 
> that.
> 
> Suggestions appreciated.

I would have thought that you'd be configuring the overall operating
system display preferences for high contrast, reversed colour scheme
(bright on dark), and that programs like mail clients would inherit
those options (ignoring HTML displays that set their own colours).

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Re: Claws mail -

[g]

On 04/25/16 17:34, g wrote:
<<>>

> i looked for my notes on changing with "userChrome.css", but did not
> find.
>
===>

finally. found notes with links to sites and pages for changing thunderbird
foreground and background, have yet to find info for quoted bar and text.

not all the way thru urls yet.

what i did find is 2 urls for mozilla site that i had forgotten about. they
did not show up in search of bookmarks because i did not tag them with
'userchrome.css', the are now.

   http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bad_Eyesight_-_Thunderbird
   http://kb.mozillazine.org/White_on_black_-_Thunderbird

unfortunately, 'white on black' does not mention quoted bar and text.

i did find something on quoted text that i need to look further into.

will play with it in morning and post results.

eyes are burning from too much reading of small print and wrong eye glasses.

later.


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Re: Claws mail -

[g]

On 04/25/16 04:09, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> After this morning's dnf upgrade of 
> Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
> 
> I would like to configure claws to 
> display white text on a black background 
> but have not been able to find how to do 
> that.
> 
> Suggestions appreciated.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
what you want is either a "userChrome.css" file for the changes or
you can make changes in "about:config".

i looked for my notes on changing with "userChrome.css", but did not
find.

with "about:config", set "Search:" to following names, change as shown;


  browser.display.background_color   #00

  browser.display.foreground_color   #FF

  browser.display.focus_text_color   #FF

  editor.background_color#FF

  messagecompose.background_color#00

  msgcompose.text_color  #FF


note the 3 basic categories, _browser_, _edit_, _compose_, which
relate to their window. if you use those names in search, you will
see what you can change for colors just by looking for #xx in
value column.

2 changes that i am not sure about, 'quote bar' and 'quoted text'.

i did find a note on sites related to userChrome.css and will check
them after i send this info so you can get some changes made.

there are more that will/may need changing, depends on what you want
links and email addresses, view and compose windows, address book.
all of which depends on what you want.

basicly, if you open "about:config"


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Re: Claws mail -

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 09:41:23 -0700 stan <stanl-fedorau...@vfemail.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 05:09:46 -0400
> Bob Goodwin <bobgood...@wildblue.net> wrote:
> 
> > After this morning's dnf upgrade of 
> > Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
> > 
> > I would like to configure claws to 
> > display white text on a black background 
> > but have not been able to find how to do 
> > that.
> 
> Hmmm, I've used claws for years, and haven't done this (I just use the
> default black on white). And now I can't find a way to do it.  A quick
> search doesn't turn up anything.
> 
> A couple of possibilities.
> 
> In Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Colors -> Other,
> it is possible to set the foreground and background colors for the
> quote levels.  I don't think this sets the ultimate background, but you
> can display white text on black background.
> 
> Or in Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Themes, you could try
> out other themes.  
> 
> I haven't done either of these, but they hold out the most hope.  Maybe
> an expert will chime in here with the correct way to do this.  And then
> I *can* change the default layout.  All that white is a little bright.
> --

I have not used Claws-Mail for years, preferring sylpheed, but I believe that 
the "correct" way to do this is through the gtk settings. I used to have 
exactly the sort of foreground/background that Bob seems to want.

Best wishes,
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Re: Claws mail -

[maderios]

On 04/25/2016 07:07 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:


However, dnf downgrade thunderbird, solves my immediate problems but I
can see that Thunderbird changes are going in the wrong direction and
I'm going to have to find a replacement ...


To replace Thunderbird+html, you may try Seamonkey or Kmail

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Re: Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/25/16 05:55, maderios wrote:
On 04/25/2016 11:09 AM, Bob Goodwin 
wrote:
I would like to configure claws to 
display white text on a black
background but have not been able to 
find how to do that.

Hi
'Claws Mail will not let you write and 
send HTML emails or other kind of 
annoyances'
http://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general 

But you can display html messages with 
Fancy plugin

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I can do without the html but with my 
poor vision I need the contrast I get 
with white text on black.


However, dnf downgrade thunderbird, 
solves my immediate problems but I can 
see that Thunderbird changes are going 
in the wrong direction and I'm going to 
have to find a replacement ...


Thanks,

Bob


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Re: Claws mail -

[stan]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 05:09:46 -0400
Bob Goodwin <bobgood...@wildblue.net> wrote:

> After this morning's dnf upgrade of 
> Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.
> 
> I would like to configure claws to 
> display white text on a black background 
> but have not been able to find how to do 
> that.

Hmmm, I've used claws for years, and haven't done this (I just use the
default black on white). And now I can't find a way to do it.  A quick
search doesn't turn up anything.

A couple of possibilities.

In Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Colors -> Other,
it is possible to set the foreground and background colors for the
quote levels.  I don't think this sets the ultimate background, but you
can display white text on black background.

Or in Configuration -> Preferences -> Display -> Themes, you could try
out other themes.  

I haven't done either of these, but they hold out the most hope.  Maybe
an expert will chime in here with the correct way to do this.  And then
I *can* change the default layout.  All that white is a little bright.
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Re: Claws mail -

[maderios]

On 04/25/2016 11:09 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

I would like to configure claws to display white text on a black
background but have not been able to find how to do that.

Hi
'Claws Mail will not let you write and send HTML emails or other kind of 
annoyances'

http://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general
But you can display html messages with Fancy plugin
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Claws mail -

[Bob Goodwin]

After this morning's dnf upgrade of 
Thunderbird I would like to try Claws mail.


I would like to configure claws to 
display white text on a black background 
but have not been able to find how to do 
that.


Suggestions appreciated.

Bob


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Re: Latest claws mail moves to message above deleted message instead of below

[g]

On 02/09/16 12:36, stan wrote:
> I sort messages in claws by date descending.  So the newest messages
> are at the top.  When I read, I start at the top, and process messages
> as I move down.  Claws used to move to the message below the current
> message on delete, now it moves to the message above.  So if I delete a
> message it now moves to a message that I have already seen instead of
> the message below the deleted message.
>
> It seems that this 'feature' was added in 3.13.1.
> * A hidden pref has been added, 'next_on_delete'. This controls the
>   message selection when a message is deleted. A setting of '0'
>   which cause the previous, older message to be selected, a setting
>   of '1' will cause the next, newer message to be selected.
>
> I looked in ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc and I see the setting called
> next_on_delete.  It was set to 0, so I set it to 1.  It didn't make any
> difference.  I tried 2 and -1 with no effect.  Does anyone know what to
> do to get the previous behavior?
>
> I don't see a bugzilla for this, and a search at claws-mail.org doesn't
> turn up anything.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
.
swag:
did you close and restart claws?

if you did, did you recheck "next_on_delete" to see if still set to 1?


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Latest claws mail moves to message above deleted message instead of below

[stan]

I sort messages in claws by date descending.  So the newest messages
are at the top.  When I read, I start at the top, and process messages
as I move down.  Claws used to move to the message below the current
message on delete, now it moves to the message above.  So if I delete a
message it now moves to a message that I have already seen instead of
the message below the deleted message.

It seems that this 'feature' was added in 3.13.1.
* A hidden pref has been added, 'next_on_delete'. This controls the
  message selection when a message is deleted. A setting of '0'
  which cause the previous, older message to be selected, a setting
  of '1' will cause the next, newer message to be selected.

I looked in ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc and I see the setting called
next_on_delete.  It was set to 0, so I set it to 1.  It didn't make any
difference.  I tried 2 and -1 with no effect.  Does anyone know what to
do to get the previous behavior?

I don't see a bugzilla for this, and a search at claws-mail.org doesn't
turn up anything.

Thanks,
Stan
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Re: Latest claws mail moves to message above deleted message instead of below

[stan]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 13:28:47 -0600
g  wrote:


> swag:
> did you close and restart claws?
> 
> if you did, did you recheck "next_on_delete" to see if still set to 1?
 
Yes on both.  It reset the 2 to a 1, but leaves -1 as -1.  No
difference in behavior though.  I can change my style to adjust, by
starting at the bottom.  But, if there is no way to recover the old
behavior, I'll ask that they make 0 previous message and 1 next
message, or vice versa.  Makes more sense.  The user sorts however they
want, and chooses the explicit behavior desired, rather than a formula
that might conflict with their sort.
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Re: Latest claws mail moves to message above deleted message instead of below

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:36:48 -0700, stan wrote:

> I don't see a bugzilla for this, and a search at claws-mail.org doesn't
> turn up anything.

Where exactly have you searched for what?

A search for the word "next" in the list archives is successful for both
January and February. And bugzilla traffic is forwarded to the list, too.
Note that the developers prefer discussing issues on the list before
filing bug reports.
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Re: Latest claws mail moves to message above deleted message instead of below

[stan]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 20:45:49 +0100
Michael Schwendt  wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:36:48 -0700, stan wrote:
> 
> > I don't see a bugzilla for this, and a search at claws-mail.org
> > doesn't turn up anything.  
> 
> Where exactly have you searched for what?
> 
> A search for the word "next" in the list archives is successful for
> both January and February. And bugzilla traffic is forwarded to the
> list, too. Note that the developers prefer discussing issues on the
> list before filing bug reports.

I searched the site claws-mail.org for anything containing 'delete
message next'.  I also searched for 'next_on_delete'.  Neither turned up
anything directly relevant.  By poking around I found the change log
entry I posted.

What list archives are you referring to?  Which list is the discussion
of issues on?
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Re: Latest claws mail moves to message above deleted message instead of below

[stan]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 20:45:49 +0100
Michael Schwendt  wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:36:48 -0700, stan wrote:
> 
> > I don't see a bugzilla for this, and a search at claws-mail.org
> > doesn't turn up anything.  
> 
> Where exactly have you searched for what?
> 
> A search for the word "next" in the list archives is successful for
> both January and February. And bugzilla traffic is forwarded to the
> list, too. Note that the developers prefer discussing issues on the
> list before filing bug reports.

Thanks for the information.  I went back to their site and found their
mailing list archives and just as you say there is a thread about this
issue. It turns out that it is a known bug when sorting descending, and
someone has already submitted a patch to fix it.

So, I just have to wait until the next revision comes out, and this
will be fixed.  In the meantime I can sort ascending.  Not as
efficient, but the behavior will be what I am used to.

I wasn't going to submit a bugzilla there, but in the fedora bugzilla.
No need now.
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Re: Claws mail and SSL certificates

[Anders Wegge Keller]

bitlord bitlord0...@gmail.com writes:

 Depends on the version of claws-mail and libetpan, =claws-mail-3.10
 and compiled with =libetpan-1.4 (or 1.4.1) is able to properly
 verify certificate chain, previous versions don't. On f20 it works
 fine after upgrade (claws-mail-3.10.1 is available, and libetpan-1.5
 from updates repo).

 Okay, time to upgrade then. I'm running F19 with claws 3.9.3 and
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Re: Claws mail and SSL certificates

[bitlord]

On Thu, 2014-07-24 at 08:53 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
 bitlord bitlord0...@gmail.com writes:
 
  Depends on the version of claws-mail and libetpan, =claws-mail-3.10
  and compiled with =libetpan-1.4 (or 1.4.1) is able to properly
  verify certificate chain, previous versions don't. On f20 it works
  fine after upgrade (claws-mail-3.10.1 is available, and libetpan-1.5
  from updates repo).
 
  Okay, time to upgrade then. I'm running F19 with claws 3.9.3 and
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Also you can test it from 'updates-testing' repo in f19 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-6774 
with command like this (or similar) (It will probably pull in latest
libetpan as a dependency, if not, you can add it to the list (you
probably know how to do it ;-)
# yum --enablerepo updates-testing update claws-mail*   

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Re: Claws mail and SSL certificates

[Anders Wegge Keller]

bitlord bitlord0...@gmail.com writes:

 On Thu, 2014-07-24 at 07:43 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:

   results in a complete verification of the certificate chain, ending
  with the root CA. The root ca is include in ca-certificates, so I
  would expect Claws to check there, rather than bothering me with
  accepting the same certificate over and over again. I cannot see any
  obvious way to tell claws where to look for root certificates, so I'm
  not sure if this is an intended (mis)feature, or it's a bug.

 Depends on the version of claws-mail and libetpan, =claws-mail-3.10 and
 compiled with =libetpan-1.4 (or 1.4.1) is able to properly verify
 certificate chain, previous versions don't. On f20 it works fine after
 upgrade (claws-mail-3.10.1 is available, and libetpan-1.5 from updates
 repo).

 After an upgrade to fc20, I still see the same behaviour. Doing an
strace at claws-mail, I find that the CA store is read:

open(/etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt, O_RDONLY) = 27
fstat(27, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=240762, ...}) = 0
fstat(27, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=240762, ...}) = 0
mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0x7f5ca4d67000
read(27, -BEGIN CERTIFICATE-\nMIID..., 237568) =

 Using openssl with the -CAfile option:

openssl s_client -CAfile /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt \
 -connect rollo.jernurt.dk:465 -verify 10

depth=2 C = IL, O = StartCom Ltd., OU = Secure Digital Certificate Signing, CN 
= StartCom Certification Authority
verify return:1
depth=1 C = IL, O = StartCom Ltd., OU = Secure Digital Certificate Signing, CN 
= StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA
verify return:1
depth=0 description = 3zqC63tmwY0q4Q1r, C = DK, CN = rollo.jernurt.dk, 
emailAddress = postmas...@jernurt.dk
verify return:1

...


Start Time: 1406233112
Timeout   : 300 (sec)
Verify return code: 0 (ok)


 So clearly, the certificate chain should be verifiable. But still
claws complains that the Certificate is unknown. 

[awj@localhost ~]$ rpm -q claws-mail libetpan
claws-mail-3.10.1-1.fc20.x86_64
libetpan-1.5-1.fc20.x86_64

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Claws mail and SSL certificates

[Anders Wegge Keller]

 When acessing my mail, news or whatever from Claws Mail, I invariably
get at message, telling that the SSL certificate is unknown. However,
connecting to the same server with 

 openssl s_client -connect rollo.jernurt.dk:993 -verify 5

 results in a complete verification of the certificate chain, ending
with the root CA. The root ca is include in ca-certificates, so I
would expect Claws to check there, rather than bothering me with
accepting the same certificate over and over again. I cannot see any
obvious way to tell claws where to look for root certificates, so I'm
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Re: Claws mail and SSL certificates

[bitlord]

On Thu, 2014-07-24 at 07:43 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
  When acessing my mail, news or whatever from Claws Mail, I invariably
 get at message, telling that the SSL certificate is unknown. However,
 connecting to the same server with 
 
  openssl s_client -connect rollo.jernurt.dk:993 -verify 5
 
  results in a complete verification of the certificate chain, ending
 with the root CA. The root ca is include in ca-certificates, so I
 would expect Claws to check there, rather than bothering me with
 accepting the same certificate over and over again. I cannot see any
 obvious way to tell claws where to look for root certificates, so I'm
 not sure if this is an intended (mis)feature, or it's a bug.
 
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Depends on the version of claws-mail and libetpan, =claws-mail-3.10 and
compiled with =libetpan-1.4 (or 1.4.1) is able to properly verify
certificate chain, previous versions don't. On f20 it works fine after
upgrade (claws-mail-3.10.1 is available, and libetpan-1.5 from updates
repo).

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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Peter Reed]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 00:31:50 +0200
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:31:35 -0600, Peter Reed wrote:
 
  Once you switch identities, the mail service you are going to send
  the mail from, you are no longer able to compose the mail.  Don't
  use imap only pop. Also as aside if you change identities in one
  mail compose window all subsequent windows will also be read-only.
  It stays this way indefinitely.
 
 As pointed out, I cannot reproduce anything like that.
 To be more specific, not even with multiple open compose windows,
 I can reproduce it. All windows here stay active/editable.
 
 Do you run normal GNOME Shell or a different environment?
 Perhaps you could describe the steps to reproduce more
 accurately?
 

I am running KDE on Fedora 17 fully updated although I am running
KDE-testing. The steps to reproduce are easy, open with compose or reply
button and then change the from address and you will not be able to
edit the email. OK, while was writing this email I just happened to
push the from change button, did not change it just pressed the button
and was no longer able to edit the email. Open another compose window
and was able to edit that, closed the new window and was able to edit
the original compose window. Just plain weird.
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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Maurizio Marini]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:04:19 -0600
Peter Reed peterr...@gmx.com wrote:


 I am running KDE on Fedora 17 fully updated although I am running
are u using oxigen-gtk ?
as discussed on claws-mail users ml, the issue seems to be tighted to this
theme, if u switch to another theme u will not have the issue.
I Repor here the post

[quote]
I'm not seeing this, but I've had some similar issues in the past on KDE with
oxygen-gtk bugs (the last time I noticed was in late July).  I've (at least
for now) given up on the oxygen theme for that (KDE Settings - Application
Appearance - GTK+ Appearance) and switched to Adwaita, and I'm not having the
problem now.  I think I'm cc'd on what looked like a relevant bug in the
Fedora Bugzilla, but I can't find the number right now.
George Avrunin
[/quote]

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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Peter Reed]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 16:20:13 +0200
Maurizio Marini mau...@datalogica.com wrote:

 On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:04:19 -0600
 Peter Reed peterr...@gmx.com wrote:
 
 
  I am running KDE on Fedora 17 fully updated although I am running
 are u using oxigen-gtk ?
 as discussed on claws-mail users ml, the issue seems to be tighted to
 this theme, if u switch to another theme u will not have the issue.
 I Repor here the post
 
 [quote]
 I'm not seeing this, but I've had some similar issues in the past on
 KDE with oxygen-gtk bugs (the last time I noticed was in late July).
 I've (at least for now) given up on the oxygen theme for that (KDE
 Settings - Application Appearance - GTK+ Appearance) and switched
 to Adwaita, and I'm not having the problem now.  I think I'm cc'd on
 what looked like a relevant bug in the Fedora Bugzilla, but I can't
 find the number right now. George Avrunin
 [/quote]
 
 -m

As a matter of fact I am using the oxygen-gtk theme I will try another
and what do you know it fixed the problem.  Changed the theme to
Clearlooks and it is working fine.  Thanks for the research and help.
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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Peter Reed]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:19:35 +0200
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:45:16 -0600, Peter Reed wrote:
 
  On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:39:14 +0200
  Maurizio Marini wrote:
  
   Fedora 17 x86_64
   to reproduce the bug:
   
   1. compose
   2. click on from combo box to select another identity
   u can select or not something
   3. the body now is readonly
   you can't write in anything
   
   it's only me to have it or others does  ?
   in this case i can file a bug
   10x
   
   -m
  
  I can confirm this.
 
 I can't. It's a feature I use regularly.
 
 How long did you wait before deciding that the message text stays
 readonly? Did you try to switch to different IMAP accounts?
 Can you start Claws Mail in a terminal (possibly with --debug option)
 to try whether it prints any warning/error?
 

Once you switch identities, the mail service you are going to send
the mail from, you are no longer able to compose the mail.  Don't use
imap only pop. Also as aside if you change identities in one mail
compose window all subsequent windows will also be readonly. It stays
this way indefinitely.
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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:31:35 -0600, Peter Reed wrote:

 Once you switch identities, the mail service you are going to send
 the mail from, you are no longer able to compose the mail.  Don't use
 imap only pop. Also as aside if you change identities in one mail
 compose window all subsequent windows will also be readonly. It stays
 this way indefinitely.

As pointed out, I cannot reproduce anything like that.
To be more specific, not even with multiple open compose windows,
I can reproduce it. All windows here stay active/editable.

Do you run normal GNOME Shell or a different environment?
Perhaps you could describe the steps to reproduce more
accurately?

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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Fedora User]

On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 00:31 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
 On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:31:35 -0600, Peter Reed wrote:
 
 As pointed out, I cannot reproduce anything like that.
 To be more specific, not even with multiple open compose windows,
 I can reproduce it. All windows here stay active/editable.
 
I experienced similar behavior and ended up switching to Evolution. Any
drop-down selection makes it impossible to write to any field without
exiting and then re-starting CM.

I experienced this using CM within KDE. I have a mix of IMAP and POP3
accounts.


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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Rick Stevens]

On 09/05/2012 04:27 PM, Fedora User uttered this comment:

On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 00:31 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 08:31:35 -0600, Peter Reed wrote:

As pointed out, I cannot reproduce anything like that.
To be more specific, not even with multiple open compose windows,
I can reproduce it. All windows here stay active/editable.


I experienced similar behavior and ended up switching to Evolution. Any
drop-down selection makes it impossible to write to any field without
exiting and then re-starting CM.

I experienced this using CM within KDE. I have a mix of IMAP and POP3
accounts.


I'm using Thunderbird under XFCE with both POP3 and IMAP and have no
problem with multiple accounts. When you reply or create a new message,
the From portion gives you a drop-down to specify which account you
want to send from. And you can have multiple compose windows open, each
from different accounts.

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claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Maurizio Marini]

Fedora 17 x86_64
to reproduce the bug:

1. compose
2. click on from combo box to select another identity
u can select or not something
3. the body now is readonly
you can't write in anything

it's only me to have it or others does  ?
in this case i can file a bug
10x

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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Peter Reed]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:39:14 +0200
Maurizio Marini mau...@datalogica.com wrote:

 Fedora 17 x86_64
 to reproduce the bug:
 
 1. compose
 2. click on from combo box to select another identity
 u can select or not something
 3. the body now is readonly
 you can't write in anything
 
 it's only me to have it or others does  ?
 in this case i can file a bug
 10x
 
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I can confirm this.
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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:45:16 -0600, Peter Reed wrote:

 On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:39:14 +0200
 Maurizio Marini wrote:
 
  Fedora 17 x86_64
  to reproduce the bug:
  
  1. compose
  2. click on from combo box to select another identity
  u can select or not something
  3. the body now is readonly
  you can't write in anything
  
  it's only me to have it or others does  ?
  in this case i can file a bug
  10x
  
  -m
 
 I can confirm this.

I can't. It's a feature I use regularly.

How long did you wait before deciding that the message text stays readonly?
Did you try to switch to different IMAP accounts?
Can you start Claws Mail in a terminal (possibly with --debug option) to
try whether it prints any warning/error?

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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Maurizio Marini]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:19:35 +0200
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can't. It's a feature I use regularly.
do u have 3.8.1?
 
 How long did you wait before deciding that the message text stays readonly?
i don't wait at all, i click on identities and then on body area

 Did you try to switch to different IMAP accounts?
yes i did

 Can you start Claws Mail in a terminal (possibly with --debug option) to
 try whether it prints any warning/error?
i just did, no errors, no warning

anyway, it's enough to click on some menus to unblock the body area, it's a bug
with which I can live together :)

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Re: claws-mail 3.8.1 bug

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:08:00 +0200, Maurizio Marini wrote:

 On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:19:35 +0200
 Michael Schwendt wrote:
 
  I can't. It's a feature I use regularly.
 do u have 3.8.1?

Of course. As can be seen in the headers of my reply, btw.

  How long did you wait before deciding that the message text stays readonly?
 i don't wait at all, i click on identities and then on body area

Here the cursor keeps blinking after I've switched From. I can switch
to any of the six accounts here without problems. Several are remote IMAP.
I've disabled the external editor to test this.

The reason I ask about waiting is that sometimes drafts are saved, which
can block Claws Mail while it's waiting for an IMAP response.
 
  Did you try to switch to different IMAP accounts?
 yes i did
 
  Can you start Claws Mail in a terminal (possibly with --debug option) to
  try whether it prints any warning/error?
 i just did, no errors, no warning
 
 anyway, it's enough to click on some menus to unblock the body area, it's a 
 bug
 with which I can live together :)

You could report it at Claws Mail upstream,
  http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/index.cgi
or discuss it with the developers first:
  http://www.claws-mail.org/devel.php?section=projects

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Re: TB to claws-mail?

[Lailah]

I think that setting properly your POP account will be enough.
Your contacts are easily exportable.  Just save them as a VCARD
addressbook  (or separate VCARD files)  and import them in the new app.

I can't encourage you to make the change.  Time ago I try Claws Mail but
I didn't like and never try it again.

Exactly, why do you want to change?  What is wrong or what is the lack
you find in Thunderbird?


You can also try:  Seamonkey (Mozilla),  Evolution  (with calendar and
other things),  Kmail  (a little tricky but with good features).


Regards,
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Re: TB to claws-mail?

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 10:53:18 -0300, Lailah wrote:

 
 I think that setting properly your POP account will be enough.
 Your contacts are easily exportable.  Just save them as a VCARD
 addressbook  (or separate VCARD files)  and import them in the new app.
 
 I can't encourage you to make the change.  Time ago I try Claws Mail but
 I didn't like and never try it again.
 
 Exactly, why do you want to change?  What is wrong or what is the lack
 you find in Thunderbird?

Same questions to you, albeit about Claws Mail. ;-)
What about it did you dislike?

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Re: TB to claws-mail?

[JD]

On 09/01/2012 07:53 AM, Lailah wrote:


I think that setting properly your POP account will be enough.
Your contacts are easily exportable.  Just save them as a VCARD 
addressbook  (or separate VCARD files)  and import them in the new app.


I can't encourage you to make the change.  Time ago I try Claws Mail 
but I didn't like and never try it again.


Exactly, why do you want to change?  What is wrong or what is the lack 
you find in Thunderbird?



You can also try:  Seamonkey (Mozilla),  Evolution  (with calendar and 
other things),  Kmail  (a little tricky but with good features).



/Regards,/
*/Lailah/*


I communicated with a developer of ClawsMail re: importing into claws 
all the TB folders and contacts.

He pointed me to http://claws-mail.org/tools.php
There I found
tbird2claws.pyA tool to Integrate a Mozilla Thunderbird mailbox into 
Claws Mail
thunderbird-filters-convertor.plConvert Thunderbird filter rules 
into Claws' filtering rules
csv2addressbook.pl  Import a Thunderbird, Becky, Kmail or GMail 
address book


I tried tbird2claws.py and csv2addressbook.pl and neither of them worked.


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Re: TB to claws-mail?

[Suvayu Ali]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 06:04:55AM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
 
 Any Fedora(ish) method to get TB15 messages,

What do you mean by messages? Do you mean notifications?  AFAIK,
claws-mail supports some notifications natively, and there is a plugin
(available in the repos) that gives you many more options.

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Re: TB to claws-mail?

[Maurizio Marini]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 06:04:55 +0100
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have Googled, but nothin easy. (my preferred option)
 
 Any Fedora(ish) method to get TB15 messages,
 and whatever else posssible in to Claws-Mail.
 Which may encourage me to switch?
if u ask, then your mails are not imap, but pop3, aren't they?
I have only imap accounts, localhost is imap too, as the majority of this
list members.
then it would had been an imapsync task, not more not less.
My addressbook is on ldap, localhost ldap, a slapcat is enough. If claws stop
working (like kmail did), still dovecot and openldap are working and i can
retrieve my things.
You have not told us what are your container.

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Re: TB to claws-mail?

[Frank Murphy]

On 31/08/12 07:36, Maurizio Marini wrote:

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 06:04:55 +0100
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:


Have Googled, but nothin easy. (my preferred option)

Any Fedora(ish) method to get TB15 messages,
and whatever else posssible in to Claws-Mail.
Which may encourage me to switch?

if u ask, then your mails are not imap, but pop3, aren't they?


Yep pop,


I have only imap accounts, localhost is imap too, as the majority of this
list members.


Found around 90,000 messages imap became quite sluggish (gmail)


then it would had been an imapsync task, not more not less.
My addressbook is on ldap,


Mine on TB.


You have not told us what are your container.

This confuses me,

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TB to claws-mail?

[Frank Murphy]

Have Googled, but nothin easy. (my preferred option)

Any Fedora(ish) method to get TB15 messages,
and whatever else posssible in to Claws-Mail.
Which may encourage me to switch?

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Outgoing email filters for claws-mail

[suvayu ali]

Hi everyone,

Can anyone point me to how to setup outgoing email filters with claws.
I am using Claws with Gmail over IMAP and would like to put a copy of
the sent email in the folder I am replying from. Without this my
replies don't appear in the thread.

Thanks for any help on this.

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Re: Outgoing email filters for claws-mail

[David]

On 1/1/2011 11:05 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 Can anyone point me to how to setup outgoing email filters with claws.
 I am using Claws with Gmail over IMAP and would like to put a copy of
 the sent email in the folder I am replying from. Without this my
 replies don't appear in the thread.
 
 Thanks for any help on this.


First. I do not know how to deal with Claws-Mail.

Not exactly the answer to your question but...   :-)

What I do with Gmail is to use two accounts. I register with a list,
Fedora-Users here for example, with one address and set it to *not* send
mail traffic. I use that account to post to the list or to reply to
posts on the list. That is what I am doing here. This 'message' won't
get sent back by Gmail. It is their policy. Which I disagree with but
they do not appear to want to change.

I also register with the same list and use a second, different, email
address with the preferences set to sent list traffic but I do not use
that address to post. That way my second address 'sees' the post that I
made from the first address and places it in the thread. Gmail does
*not* stop the list traffic for the second address because the second
address did not send it.

You are using Gmail so send yourself an invitation for an email account
or just go to Gmail and open a new one if you wish.

Make the new account.

Register that account with the list.

Set one to not send traffic and one to send traffic (Else you will get
traffic twice) then have Claws-Mail poll both accounts.

Not hard to do but it will consume some of your time.

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Re: Outgoing email filters for claws-mail

[Sam Sharpe]

On 1 January 2011 23:44, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote:

 PS: Claws mail seems to be the near perfect email client I was looking
 for so long, loving it! :)

I love it too. For a long time I used it exclusively until I decided
that actually I could get by pretty well with just the Gmail interface
and my work email client and it was therefore one less app to install
and maintain.

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Re: Outgoing email filters for claws-mail

[David]

On 1/1/2011 6:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:39:17 -0500
 David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I do with Gmail is to use two accounts.
 
 I know many do that, but I often use the Gmail interface and the reason
 I use IMAP. Doesn't the above defeat that purpose? Anyway, Sam's
 response was exactly what I was looking for.
 
 Thanks for your thoughts. :)

Of course.

I am happy that you found the solution that I were really looking for
and also sorry that I could not provide it for you.

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