Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/17/2015 03:21 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > 4)  If this fails and an error message says why, the new kernel must
>>> > > NOT be used.  Edit /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to change the default from 0
>>> > > to 1.  Wait for a solution.
>> > I have other kernel options, but I don't think any have the nvidia
>> > module. can I create a file for those?
> According to the akmods man page
> --kernels   -- build and install only for kernel 
>   (formatted the same as 'uname -r' would produce)
> so something like this should work:
> akmods --force --kernels 4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64
I GET THAT..
akmods --force --kernels 4.0.4-301.fc22.x86_64
Could not find files needed to compile modules for 4.0.4-301.fc22.x86_64
Are the development files for kernel 4.0.4-301.fc22.x86_64 or the
appropriate kernel-devel package installed?

so I need to install the kernel devels for 4.0.4-301...



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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/17/2015 12:21 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:

The only other way I know is the automatic way - which occurs after a
dnf update or, I think, during boot if the nvidia.ko module is
missing.


Checking, there's both an akmods.service and an akmods-shutdown.service. 
 I'm not sure why you want both, but I have the second one disabled and 
haven't ever had any problems.  YMMV, of course.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[David A. De Graaf]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 02:52:01PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On 08/17/2015 02:45 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> > When an nvidia card is present, the akmod-nvidia package is present,
> > and a new kernel is installed, it is necessary to ensure that a new
> > nvidia.ko module is created.  One might expect that this would be a 
> > natural requirement of the dnf process, which would not terminate
> > until that task had been accomplished.
> >
> > Sadly, it is NOT.  Until this is fixed, what I do to protect myself
> > against a failed reboot is this:
> >
> > 1)  Near the end of the dnf update, run top and watch for abnormally
> > intense cpu activity AFTER dnf concludes, looking especially for
> > instances of cc1, rpmbuild, and any other processes being run by user
> > 'akmods'.  These suggest that the building of nvidia.ko is underway.
> > Do NOT reboot until this is done.
> >
> > 2)  Look for the existence of the new module for the NEW kernel:
> > find /lib/modules -name nvidia.ko
> > Only if it exists, is it safe to reboot.
> I see the one for my current kernel:
> 
> /lib/modules/4.1.4-200.fc22.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko
> 
> 
> >
> > 3)  If not, try to build it manually (as root, of course):
> > akmods
> > or
> > akmods --force
> I thought the /usr/sbin/akmods --force WAS the manual way.. what is
> another way?
The only other way I know is the automatic way - which occurs after a
dnf update or, I think, during boot if the nvidia.ko module is
missing.
> >
> > 4)  If this fails and an error message says why, the new kernel must
> > NOT be used.  Edit /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to change the default from 0
> > to 1.  Wait for a solution.
> I have other kernel options, but I don't think any have the nvidia
> module. can I create a file for those?
According to the akmods man page
--kernels   -- build and install only for kernel 
  (formatted the same as 'uname -r' would produce)
so something like this should work:
akmods --force --kernels 4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/17/2015 02:45 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> When an nvidia card is present, the akmod-nvidia package is present,
> and a new kernel is installed, it is necessary to ensure that a new
> nvidia.ko module is created.  One might expect that this would be a 
> natural requirement of the dnf process, which would not terminate
> until that task had been accomplished.
>
> Sadly, it is NOT.  Until this is fixed, what I do to protect myself
> against a failed reboot is this:
>
> 1)  Near the end of the dnf update, run top and watch for abnormally
> intense cpu activity AFTER dnf concludes, looking especially for
> instances of cc1, rpmbuild, and any other processes being run by user
> 'akmods'.  These suggest that the building of nvidia.ko is underway.
> Do NOT reboot until this is done.
>
> 2)  Look for the existence of the new module for the NEW kernel:
> find /lib/modules -name nvidia.ko
> Only if it exists, is it safe to reboot.
I see the one for my current kernel:

/lib/modules/4.1.4-200.fc22.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko


>
> 3)  If not, try to build it manually (as root, of course):
> akmods
> or
> akmods --force
I thought the /usr/sbin/akmods --force WAS the manual way.. what is
another way?
>
> 4)  If this fails and an error message says why, the new kernel must
> NOT be used.  Edit /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to change the default from 0
> to 1.  Wait for a solution.
I have other kernel options, but I don't think any have the nvidia
module. can I create a file for those?


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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[David A. De Graaf]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 08:50:19PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 14:37 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > thanks! I installed the akmod-nvidia package..
> 
> This generally works, however be aware that there is currently an issue
> when updating your system via dnf. If a new kernel is installed, the
> akmod system will create a new kmod rpm and then try to install it.
> Quite often the installation will fail because the calling dnf command
> still holds a lock on the database, but you won't know this until you
> reboot your nice new kernel and suddenly the video doesn't work.
> 
> The workaround is to check /var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after a
> new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an error
> (jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually install
> the new rpm before rebooting.
> 
When an nvidia card is present, the akmod-nvidia package is present,
and a new kernel is installed, it is necessary to ensure that a new
nvidia.ko module is created.  One might expect that this would be a 
natural requirement of the dnf process, which would not terminate
until that task had been accomplished.

Sadly, it is NOT.  Until this is fixed, what I do to protect myself
against a failed reboot is this:

1)  Near the end of the dnf update, run top and watch for abnormally
intense cpu activity AFTER dnf concludes, looking especially for
instances of cc1, rpmbuild, and any other processes being run by user
'akmods'.  These suggest that the building of nvidia.ko is underway.
Do NOT reboot until this is done.

2)  Look for the existence of the new module for the NEW kernel:
find /lib/modules -name nvidia.ko
Only if it exists, is it safe to reboot.

3)  If not, try to build it manually (as root, of course):
akmods
or
akmods --force

4)  If this fails and an error message says why, the new kernel must
NOT be used.  Edit /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to change the default from 0
to 1.  Wait for a solution.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/16/2015 07:28 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> > what? not sure I understand.. what is the difference between kmod & 
>> > akmod...
> kmod is the actual kernel module that gets loaded at boot time. akmod
> is the system for building a new version of it for each new kernel.
> Just to make it more confusing, you can also download and install kmod
> rpm's directly without using akmod, but that only works if they already
> exist in some repo (typically rpmfusion), which sometimes takes a while
> after a new kernel appears.
>
> poc
thank you!
I don't think I want to wait for a kmod package, I'll go with akmod..

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 19:10 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On 08/16/2015 07:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > > and everyone just uses dnf & akmod-nvidia..
> > 
> > Actually, I use both kmod and akmod on my desktop.  This way, if
> > there's a kmod ready, it saves a bit of time when I reboot; if not,
> > akmod will take care of it.
> what? not sure I understand.. what is the difference between kmod & 
> akmod...

kmod is the actual kernel module that gets loaded at boot time. akmod
is the system for building a new version of it for each new kernel.
Just to make it more confusing, you can also download and install kmod
rpm's directly without using akmod, but that only works if they already
exist in some repo (typically rpmfusion), which sometimes takes a while
after a new kernel appears.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/16/2015 07:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> and everyone just uses dnf & akmod-nvidia..
>
> Actually, I use both kmod and akmod on my desktop.  This way, if
> there's a kmod ready, it saves a bit of time when I reboot; if not,
> akmod will take care of it.
what? not sure I understand.. what is the difference between kmod & akmod...

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/16/2015 03:57 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

and everyone just uses dnf & akmod-nvidia..


Actually, I use both kmod and akmod on my desktop.  This way, if there's 
a kmod ready, it saves a bit of time when I reboot; if not, akmod will 
take care of it.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/16/2015 05:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> > 
>> > I was having this problem as well.  But there were some recent 
>> > changes and even though the rpm isn't getting installed during the 
>> > "dnf update" phase as long as I have akmods-shutdown.service enabled 
>> > the rpm gets rebuilt and installed during the reboot.
> I do have it enabled and yet last time I still had to do the manual
> install. At any rate the log showed an error due to locking.
>
> poc
and thanks to everyone for the info! I am glad to see I am not alone,
and others have figured it out..

so, it seems no one runs the NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.30. 

and everyone just uses dnf & akmod-nvidia.. I have yet to reboot after
installing akmod-nvidia, but I do remember it pulled in 11 other
packages, one was the kernel-devel..

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Ed Greshko]

On 08/17/15 05:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-08-17 at 04:58 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> I was having this problem as well. But there were some recent changes and 
>> even though the rpm isn't getting installed during the "dnf update" phase as 
>> long as I have akmods-shutdown.service enabled the rpm gets rebuilt and 
>> installed during the reboot. 
> I do have it enabled and yet last time I still had to do the manual
> install. At any rate the log showed an error due to locking.
>
If you're still having problems then you probably would want to BZ it in 
rpmfusion.  I think it is Richard Shaw that is doing work in this area and he 
has been very responsive.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/16/2015 03:50 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> > thanks! I installed the akmod-nvidia package..
> This generally works, however be aware that there is currently an issue
> when updating your system via dnf. If a new kernel is installed, the
> akmod system will create a new kmod rpm and then try to install it.
> Quite often the installation will fail because the calling dnf command
> still holds a lock on the database, but you won't know this until you
> reboot your nice new kernel and suddenly the video doesn't work.
>
> The workaround is to check /var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after a
> new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an error
> (jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually install
> the new rpm before rebooting.
I'll try to remember that:)

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/16/2015 02:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I've no idea what it's supposed to do, I'm just reporting what it
actually does.


The various akmods run at boot, as a service.  Specifically, 
akmod-nvidia checks to see if there's a kmod-nvidia for the current 
kernel.  If there is, it exits; if not, it builds one and then exits. 
Yes, you can also use --force to make it build a new kmod before 
rebooting, but it shouldn't be needed.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 13:09 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 08/16/2015 12:50 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > The workaround is to check/var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after 
> > a
> > new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an 
> > error
> > (jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually 
> > install
> > the new rpm before rebooting.
> 
> Two things: first, doesn't akmod run at boot, which would mean that 
> the 
> lock is gone.

I've no idea what it's supposed to do, I'm just reporting what it
actually does.

>   Second, why not just use last /var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log to > go 
> right to the part you nee to see?

Sure, whatever.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2015-08-17 at 04:58 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 08/17/15 03:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 14:37 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > > thanks! I installed the akmod-nvidia package..
> > This generally works, however be aware that there is currently an 
> > issue
> > when updating your system via dnf. If a new kernel is installed, 
> > the
> > akmod system will create a new kmod rpm and then try to install it.
> > Quite often the installation will fail because the calling dnf 
> > command
> > still holds a lock on the database, but you won't know this until 
> > you
> > reboot your nice new kernel and suddenly the video doesn't work.
> > 
> > The workaround is to check /var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after 
> > a
> > new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an 
> > error
> > (jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually 
> > install
> > the new rpm before rebooting.
> > 
> 
> I was having this problem as well.  But there were some recent 
> changes and even though the rpm isn't getting installed during the 
> "dnf update" phase as long as I have akmods-shutdown.service enabled 
> the rpm gets rebuilt and installed during the reboot.

I do have it enabled and yet last time I still had to do the manual
install. At any rate the log showed an error due to locking.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Ed Greshko]

On 08/17/15 03:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 14:37 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
>> thanks! I installed the akmod-nvidia package..
> This generally works, however be aware that there is currently an issue
> when updating your system via dnf. If a new kernel is installed, the
> akmod system will create a new kmod rpm and then try to install it.
> Quite often the installation will fail because the calling dnf command
> still holds a lock on the database, but you won't know this until you
> reboot your nice new kernel and suddenly the video doesn't work.
>
> The workaround is to check /var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after a
> new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an error
> (jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually install
> the new rpm before rebooting.
>

I was having this problem as well.  But there were some recent changes and even 
though the rpm isn't getting installed during the "dnf update" phase as long as 
I have akmods-shutdown.service enabled the rpm gets rebuilt and installed 
during the reboot.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 16.08.2015 um 22:09 schrieb Joe Zeff:

On 08/16/2015 12:50 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

The workaround is to check/var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after a
new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an error
(jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually install
the new rpm before rebooting.


Two things: first, doesn't akmod run at boot, which would mean that 
the lock is gone.  Second, why not just use last 
/var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log to go right to the part you need to 
see?


For reasons I don't know this doesn't work after a kernel upgrade. What 
I have to do in this case:

Konsole output
sudo /usr/sbin/akmods --force
and then rboot.


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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Joe Zeff]

On 08/16/2015 12:50 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

The workaround is to check/var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after a
new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an error
(jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually install
the new rpm before rebooting.


Two things: first, doesn't akmod run at boot, which would mean that the 
lock is gone.  Second, why not just use last 
/var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log to go right to the part you need to see?

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 14:37 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> thanks! I installed the akmod-nvidia package..

This generally works, however be aware that there is currently an issue
when updating your system via dnf. If a new kernel is installed, the
akmod system will create a new kmod rpm and then try to install it.
Quite often the installation will fail because the calling dnf command
still holds a lock on the database, but you won't know this until you
reboot your nice new kernel and suddenly the video doesn't work.

The workaround is to check /var/cache/akmods/nvidia/.last.log after a
new kernel has been installed but before booting. If it shows an error
(jump to the end of the file) you still have time to manually install
the new rpm before rebooting.

poc
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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/16/2015 01:22 PM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
>> ok, so I got a new computer, was windows 10, now dual-boot with fedora
>> 22 x86_64. I have had AMD Radeon card for my last computer, but this one
>> comes with a Nvidia GeForce Gt 705. I seem to remember this from long
>> ago, I downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux.run .
>> are there any gotcha's or anything I need to know before I do this??
>> should I install this?? this is a new Dell Inspiron with core-I5 Intel
>> chip..
>>
>>
> I found installing the nvidia binary driver from rpmfusion rather
> hassle-free (okay, I have a somewhat older card, but that shouldn't
> matter):
> http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia
> -- 
thanks, that worked!
dnf install akmod-nvidia

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

On 08/16/2015 01:35 PM, Gerard Teichman wrote:
>> > I have had AMD Radeon card for my last computer, but this one
>> > comes with a Nvidia GeForce Gt 705. I seem to remember this from long
>> > ago, I downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux.run .
>> > are there any gotcha's or anything I need to know before I do this??
> Paul, I recently went through the steps to install NVidia drivers for
> my Video card on  F22-64. It resulted in the X screen not running, and
> it took awhile to troubleshoot by using console commands.  Now I'm
> using the Nouveau drivers and I'm doing fine. If you need the special
> features of the proprietary driver, I would recommend using the dnf
> software packaging system in fedora.  If things go wrong, you can roll
> back the install.
thanks! I installed the akmod-nvidia package..

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

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> I have had AMD Radeon card for my last computer, but this one
> comes with a Nvidia GeForce Gt 705. I seem to remember this from long
> ago, I downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux.run .
> are there any gotcha's or anything I need to know before I do this??

Paul, I recently went through the steps to install NVidia drivers for
my Video card on  F22-64. It resulted in the X screen not running, and
it took awhile to troubleshoot by using console commands.  Now I'm
using the Nouveau drivers and I'm doing fine. If you need the special
features of the proprietary driver, I would recommend using the dnf
software packaging system in fedora.  If things go wrong, you can roll
back the install.

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Re: Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 16.08.2015 um 16:17 schrieb Paul Cartwright:

ok, so I got a new computer, was windows 10, now dual-boot with fedora
22 x86_64. I have had AMD Radeon card for my last computer, but this one
comes with a Nvidia GeForce Gt 705. I seem to remember this from long
ago, I downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux.run .
are there any gotcha's or anything I need to know before I do this??
should I install this?? this is a new Dell Inspiron with core-I5 Intel
chip..


I found installing the nvidia binary driver from rpmfusion rather 
hassle-free (okay, I have a somewhat older card, but that shouldn't matter):

http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia
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Nvidia GeForce Gt 705

[Paul Cartwright]

ok, so I got a new computer, was windows 10, now dual-boot with fedora
22 x86_64. I have had AMD Radeon card for my last computer, but this one
comes with a Nvidia GeForce Gt 705. I seem to remember this from long
ago, I downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux.run .
are there any gotcha's or anything I need to know before I do this??
should I install this?? this is a new Dell Inspiron with core-I5 Intel
chip..


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