Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 17/08/15 14:08, g wrote: if you want_all_ your workstations to have common email access, then pop.wildblue.net and Local Folders would be in the; /mnt/HOME1/thunderbird/email-accounts/ directory. do you follow how you can link email folders now or did i confuse you? . Yes confusion prevails here. I put on the server:[root@box10 6gjqb341.default]# cp -r Mail /mnt/HOME1/email-accounts/ Then on the second computer in Local Folders > Local Directory > /mnt/HOME1/email-accounts/Mail Which I thought would display what I see on the computer "Mail" has been derived from however all I get is directories and sub-directories without message or mail filters: pop.ggoglemail.com and under that Archives, Drafts, Inbox, etc. which looks reasonable but there are no messages displayed? I know that's not what you asked me to try but I'm trying to see what works. I've had numerous interruptions today and don't know about tomorrow. This discussion would be better done off the list if your ISP would stop dumping my e-mail. I filed the complaint form as you suggested. Who knows if it will do any good ... -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/17/15 10:02, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > > On 17/08/15 03:51, g wrote: >> >> On 08/17/15 02:03, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: >>> On 17/08/15 00:59, g wrote: b- yuckahoo bounce your resend to me? >>> . >>> Yes, I suspect that is happening. I can resend a third time later if >>> you are unable to find the messages ... >>> >> . >> what are you doing up this early? >> >> yes, please try again. third time may be a charm. >> [not holding my breath tho] > . > Sent a third time ... > . third time was not a charm. :-\ at&t has an abuse page related to bounced email that _you_ can use to get your email address classified as not spam. go to this page; http://rbl.att.net/block_inquiry.html select 'hot link'; Tools for non AT&T users whose messages have been blocked which takes you to; http://rbl.att.net/end_user_request2.html fill out form, leave "Error message or Non Delivery" blank, click on [Submit] button. <<>> > It might be interesting to move > /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail > > which contains: > > Local Folders > drwxr-xr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Feb 5 2014 localhost > drwxrwxr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Jul 1 2013 pop.googlemail-1.com > drwxrwxr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Jul 1 2013 pop.googlemail-2.com > drwxrwxr-x. 5 bobg bobg 4096 Aug 17 10:51 pop.googlemail.com > . what is "localhost"? what happened to "Local Folders"? > to the NFS server at something like /mnt/HOME1/tbdata and have a second > Thunderbird use that in place of /home/bobg/.thunderbird > . if you link thunderbird folders, it is better to link the email directories for use by various workstations in case you want to have access with different os and different version of thunderbird. what is in *.default should not be used among various thunderbird versions on various workstations. > but I have not been able to devise a link that works. > > No doubt the wrong approach? how are you trying to make links, terminal or with file browser? if i am reading correctly, what to do for thunderbird to link to the *.default directory, is; /home/bobg/.thunderbird/*.default -> /mnt/HOME1/*/*/default/ where "/mnt/HOME1/*/*/default/" is path for the *.default directory that you use for access by what ever workstation you are on. as long as all are same os and version. also, note that server directory is, can be, _default_ and not _.default_ . then, at "/mnt/HOME1/*/*/default/Mail" directory, you have; Local Folders/ pop.googlemail-1.com/ pop.googlemail-2.com/ pop.googlemail.com/ pop.wildblue.net/ it might be better is you link to "HOME1" email accounts with; /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail -> /mnt/HOME1/thunderbird/email-accounts/ then in the linked */email-accounts/ directory, you put the 3 pop-googlemail* accounts and pop.wildblue.net account and Local Folders. now if you want to have the 3 gmail accounts where you can move the email folders where ever you want, you would do this on workstation; create a new folder under Local Folders with name "gmail". then link them in as; /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/Local Folders/gmail -> /mnt/HOME1/thunderbird/email-accounts/ so that you would have on your workstation in your /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/ these directories; pop.wildblue.net Local Folders *NOTE* that the pop.wildblue.net is on workstation, not on server. if you want _all_ your workstations to have common email access, then pop.wildblue.net and Local Folders would be in the; /mnt/HOME1/thunderbird/email-accounts/ directory. do you follow how you can link email folders now or did i confuse you? on this system, in /home/geo directory, i have directories; .thunderbird .thunderbird-00-hold .thunderbird-2015-0624-1646 .thunderbird-2015-0624-1733 .thunderbird-2015-0709-2101 .thunderbird-2015-0814-0350 .thunderbird-email/Mail where; .thunderbird-00-hold is for holding what ever for thunderbird .thunderbird-2015-* are time stamped backup copies of .thunderbird .thunderbird-email/Mail is linked to from ~/.thunderbird/*.default/Mail this way, i make backups of thunderbird profile directory without all of the email directories. i do same for ~/.kde and ~/.mozilla later. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 17/08/15 11:02, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: It might be interesting to move /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail which contains: Local Folders drwxr-xr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Feb 5 2014 localhost drwxrwxr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Jul 1 2013 pop.googlemail-1.com drwxrwxr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Jul 1 2013 pop.googlemail-2.com drwxrwxr-x. 5 bobg bobg 4096 Aug 17 10:51 pop.googlemail.com to the NFS server at something like /mnt/HOME1/tbdata and have a second Thunderbird use that in place of /home/bobg/.thunderbird but I have not been able to devise a link that works. No doubt the wrong approach? *Bob* Well I see that I can read the gmail files by browsing to: /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com in the Thunderbird account settings for the /home/bobg/.thunderbird/m6ef68kn.default/Mail/mail.wildblue.net Thunderbird on the other computer. That's a step in the right direction but might not be convenient. However the more I think about it, that might be all I really need to do? I mainly need a way to read older mail. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 17/08/15 03:51, g wrote: On 08/17/15 02:03, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 17/08/15 00:59, g wrote: b- yuckahoo bounce your resend to me? . Yes, I suspect that is happening. I can resend a third time later if you are unable to find the messages ... . what are you doing up this early? yes, please try again. third time may be a charm. [not holding my breath tho] . Sent a third time ... are you not getting the bounce back? It might be interesting to move /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail which contains: Local Folders drwxr-xr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Feb 5 2014 localhost drwxrwxr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Jul 1 2013 pop.googlemail-1.com drwxrwxr-x. 2 bobg bobg 4096 Jul 1 2013 pop.googlemail-2.com drwxrwxr-x. 5 bobg bobg 4096 Aug 17 10:51 pop.googlemail.com to the NFS server at something like /mnt/HOME1/tbdata and have a second Thunderbird use that in place of /home/bobg/.thunderbird but I have not been able to devise a link that works. No doubt the wrong approach? *Bob* -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 17/08/15 03:51, g wrote: are you not getting the bounce back? I always get a BCC, a Thunderbird option, which I want to keep threads reading in a logical order. I will try re-sending a third time to gel...@bellsouth.net. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/17/15 02:03, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 17/08/15 00:59, g wrote: >> b- yuckahoo bounce your resend to me? > > . > Yes, I suspect that is happening. I can resend a third time later if > you are unable to find the messages ... > . what are you doing up this early? yes, please try again. third time may be a charm. [not holding my breath tho] are you not getting the bounce back? -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 17/08/15 00:59, g wrote: b- yuckahoo bounce your resend to me? . Yes, I suspect that is happening. I can resend a third time later if you are unable to find the messages ... -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 08/16/15 13:57, g wrote: <<>> ok, while i am still wondering if; a- yuckahoo bounce your reply to list? b- yuckahoo bounce your resend to me? c- the horses got out and you had to round them up? d- your cat peed on you keyboard and killed your system? :-D > 1- where do you want to move filters? > > 2- would you like to add them to your wildblue.net account? > >> What else do I need to know about this? >> > . > 3- what else would you like to know? > > 4- are you willing to move emails out of account folders > and into Local Folders. > > answers to above needed so i can reply as you wish. > .. i will make some presumptions to above questions #1 -> #4: 1- you want to move gmail filters to wildblue.net, except that if you just move them, they will overwrite what you have already set for wildblue.net. 2- gmail filters need to be added to wildblue by; open both filter files, cut and paste gmail filters starting with first line that reads "name=" thru to last line that reads "condition=" to filter file for wildblue.net. you can paste them either to end of wildblue.net filter or in between line "logging=" and first line "name=" where you put them should be determined by what you have highest amount of emails. ie, high traffic 1st reduces time of thunderbird finding match. 3- i will not attempt to guess. 4- if you are willing to move emails out of account folders and into Local Folders, you will eliminate a lot of problems that can arise and give you ability to move folders to what ever branch you want and thunderbird will make changes to filter file for you. having all email folders under Local Folders will eliminate problems i described in my post "Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 07:47:32 -0500" if you agree and would like to do so, all that needs to be done is, with thunderbird close, use file browser to build new branch names, then move email folder files to new location. filter file is then edited with a simple 'remove and replace' to file. which i will go into 'how' if you want to use Local Folders. something to consider with using Local Folders to hold all emails is that you can make branches with name of email server then use same email folder names under the server name. branch names can have then names of; list that you subscribe to, organization as branch name, folder name of individual list name. friends and families last name, email folders have person's first name. "personal", email folders for what ever. ie, banking, credit card, etc. all of which you will be able to move where ever, when ever and not have to be concerned about editing filters or moving folders with file browser. after you get email branches and folder files where you want them, you need to open the *.default directory and delete the "master index" file named "panacea.dat". next in a command line terminal in *.default directory, execute command; rm -fR *.msf to remove all of the .msf index files. when you open thunderbird again, it will create new .msf files and build a new panacea.dat file if there are any questions or anything you are wondering about, ask. ;-) so, what did i not cover? later. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/16/15 13:10, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 16/08/15 08:47, g wrote: >> Bob, >> while i am waiting for you to finish your coffee and feed the cat, >> i thought i would verify something... > . > Did you read my earlier comments sent directly to gel...@bellsouth.net? . my apologies that i have a crappy email server. i guess you have been added to yuckahoo's "bounce or delete and spam" list. to confirm, i signed into my yuckahoo email account to see what may have happened. would you believe that i found that _all_ of you emails in this thread were in the 'spam' folder? i marked them as 'Not Spam' so it will be interesting to see if your emails get marked as 'spam'. as for any email directly to me, i can only guess that it either got bounced or it was deleted, and i do not mean it was in 'trash' folder. i mean deleted, as in nowhere to be found. so, please resend to see if it gets to me. all of this is going to go into a letter that i am sending to at&t accounting office because of their crappy billing. <<>> >> before i go further, do you have any questions relating to above? >> > . > /home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/msgFilterRules.dat > > Yes, that appears to contain the Thunderbird filter rules I would like > to move along with the mail. > . 1- where do you want to move filters? 2- would you like to add them to your wildblue.net account? > What else do I need to know about this? > . 3- what else would you like to know? 4- are you willing to move emails out of account folders and into Local Folders. answers to above needed so i can reply as you wish. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 16/08/15 08:47, g wrote:
Bob,
while i am waiting for you to finish your coffee and feed the cat,
i thought i would verify something...
.
Did you read my earlier comments sent directly to gel...@bellsouth.net?
On 08/15/15 20:10, g wrote:
On 08/15/15 17:57, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
<<>>
You probably would need to see the problem to understand ,,,
.
knowing you, i can well imagine. :-P
i am presuming that you have done like many thunderbird users and that
you have created folders for you emails in your
bobgood...@gmail.com or bobgood...@wildblue.net
account folder and now you want to move all those emails.
with thunderbird, you can drag an email folder to a different place and
thunderbird will update your filers to reflect new folder location.
with one exception, an email folder _can_not_ be moved between account
folders or Local Folders. only way emails can be moved between account
folders or Local Folders is to create a new folder where you want emails,
then drag the emails to new folder.
alternative is to close thunderbird and use a file browser, locate the
folder file you want to move, then drag the folder file to new location
and delete to *.msf file for the folder file.
same applies for moving a top folder if you use subfolders.
as for filters, if you move an email folder in thunderbird window,
thunderbird will modify the filter/s for that folder to new location.
and again, with one exception, which again is moving an email folder
between accounts or Local Folders. which as stated above, can not
be done.
this is where you close thunderbird, then again using file browser,
locate the account folder and edit the file "msgFilterRules.dat".
to edit, make a backup of the file, then open file in a plane text
editor.
filter file has a basic layout of;
version="9" { the filter version
logging="yes"{ enable logging of filtering
name={ name of the filter
enabled="yes"{ filter is enabled
type="17"{ HIIK
action="Move to folder"
{ action selected by "Preform these actions:"
{ in lower half of "Filter Rules" window when
{ filter was created.
actionValue="mailbox://geleem%40bellsouth@mail.bellsouth.net/Inbox"
{ second part of of above "action="
condition="AND (from,contains,branch1-sender1)"
{ selection/s made in upper part "Filter Rules"
before i go further, do you have any questions relating to above?
.
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/msgFilterRules.dat
Yes, that appears to contain the Thunderbird filter rules I would like
to move along with the mail.
What else do I need to know about this?
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Re: dnf downloadonly -
Bob,
while i am waiting for you to finish your coffee and feed the cat,
i thought i would verify something...
On 08/15/15 20:10, g wrote:
> On 08/15/15 17:57, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
<<>>
>> You probably would need to see the problem to understand ,,,
> .
> knowing you, i can well imagine. :-P
i am presuming that you have done like many thunderbird users and that
you have created folders for you emails in your
bobgood...@gmail.com or bobgood...@wildblue.net
account folder and now you want to move all those emails.
with thunderbird, you can drag an email folder to a different place and
thunderbird will update your filers to reflect new folder location.
with one exception, an email folder _can_not_ be moved between account
folders or Local Folders. only way emails can be moved between account
folders or Local Folders is to create a new folder where you want emails,
then drag the emails to new folder.
alternative is to close thunderbird and use a file browser, locate the
folder file you want to move, then drag the folder file to new location
and delete to *.msf file for the folder file.
same applies for moving a top folder if you use subfolders.
as for filters, if you move an email folder in thunderbird window,
thunderbird will modify the filter/s for that folder to new location.
and again, with one exception, which again is moving an email folder
between accounts or Local Folders. which as stated above, can not
be done.
this is where you close thunderbird, then again using file browser,
locate the account folder and edit the file "msgFilterRules.dat".
to edit, make a backup of the file, then open file in a plane text
editor.
filter file has a basic layout of;
version="9" { the filter version
logging="yes"{ enable logging of filtering
name={ name of the filter
enabled="yes"{ filter is enabled
type="17"{ HIIK
action="Move to folder"
{ action selected by "Preform these actions:"
{ in lower half of "Filter Rules" window when
{ filter was created.
actionValue="mailbox://geleem%40bellsouth@mail.bellsouth.net/Inbox"
{ second part of of above "action="
condition="AND (from,contains,branch1-sender1)"
{ selection/s made in upper part "Filter Rules"
before i go further, do you have any questions relating to above?
--
peace out.
If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes...
...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it!
-+-
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6
tc,hago.
g
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Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 17:57, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: <<>> > No, they have already done this and there was sufficient notice given. > My problem is displaying what I already have in the old Thunderbird with > the new mail.wildblue.net Thunderbird. > > You probably would need to see the problem to understand ,,, . knowing you, i can well imagine. :-P remember this: email is email is email email is email is email email is email is email. got that? ;-) you should not look at it as old and new because what you received via gmail, you will now receive via wildblue. think about that. think of email not by email server. think of email by who sent it and/or what it relates to. do not concern yourself with facts that really have no practical importance. do not sort email under the email agent. sort email so that it is moved to email folders under "Local Folders". do not filter email spam. filter email by sender. let unfiltered email "fall thru" to "Inbox" under "Local Folders". as such, any emails that hit Inbox are either new wanted email that you will set a filter for, or it is spam which you highlight, then click "Spam" icon. thunderbird's adaptive filtering works very well and after you have hit spam icon a few times for a sender, thunderbird will learn sender or contents of email and move those emails to "Spam" folder. such is done by making last filter filter all emails that reach it get moved to Local Folders / Inbox. because you have probable already set filters to filter under the agent there is a very easy way to move those filters to your new agent and have emails moved under "Local Folders". [more later on editing filters] too many people fail to see that an email agent is just that, an email agent and should treat them as such. > I can't find fault with the gmail service, it always worked and spam was > a rarity! Not so now I am creating filters and trying to get the > Thunderbird junk system to recognize it. Before this Google removed 99% > of it, I guess I am spoiled and expect too much? . see above. after you have read this and replied with what ever you are confused with, i will explain how to set up email folders under Local Folders and answer what you are confused about. something to give thought to is to look at how *nix sets up root directories and then breaks things down further with additional directories. "/" is the base of a tree. each directory in "/" is a branch and depending on what that branch is, there will or not have further branching. it is a logical way to organize. then consider email Local Folders as the "/" base and all folder branches are classifications as to what your incoming emails are. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 15/08/15 19:16, Joe Zeff wrote: This may be redundant, but if so, I don't remember. Have you gone to Thunderbird Community Support (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-community-support) and asked there? I've had good luck there, more often than not. -- No I had not even thought of that, it's probably worth a try. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/2015 03:57 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: No, they have already done this and there was sufficient notice given. My problem is displaying what I already have in the old Thunderbird with the new mail.wildblue.net Thunderbird. This may be redundant, but if so, I don't remember. Have you gone to Thunderbird Community Support (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-community-support) and asked there? I've had good luck there, more often than not. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On 08/16/15 06:24, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > It was too easy, sorry for my ignorance. No, it was my fault. I gave too much information this time. :-) :-) -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 17:55, g wrote: On 08/15/15 15:56, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: not sure just what you are trying to do??? are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? . Eight years ago wildblue had their own mail system, five or six years ago they switched to Google Mail and we were required configure Thunderbird to address the gmail servers, ie: pop.googlemail.com to receive mail, and their smtp to send. . ok. you need to contact gmail.com and ask them how you can go about regaining access to your emails. . No, they have already done this and there was sufficient notice given. My problem is displaying what I already have in the old Thunderbird with the new mail.wildblue.net Thunderbird. You probably would need to see the problem to understand ,,, "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? . Yes . ok. is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what wildblue used? or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? . The mail could be accessed with a browser on googles web mail page but I never used that except to look through the spam they collected when I thought something was missing and my have been diverted as spam. . thanks to bellsouth/at&t turning email over to yuckahoo, i had to set my email configs on server so that i pull emails from spam folder and not delete emails. every day i have to log on to yuckahoo and mark good emails that are in spam folder as not spam in hopes that yuckahoo server would learn what is and is not spam. i also mark as spam what yuckahoo thinks is good. it is a loosing battle. what is worse is that they no longer offer ability to certify email senders as not being spam. even worse is fact that yuckahoo does a lot of bouncing of my support list emails. every day i get threads without original post and a lot of 're:' post get bounced to that i only know what a solution is is if the op replies to entire post showing solution. . I can't find fault with the gmail service, it always worked and spam was a rarity! Not so now I am creating filters and trying to get the Thunderbird junk system to recognize it. Before this Google removed 99% of it, I guess I am spoiled and expect too much? -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 17:43, Ed Greshko wrote: From your previous message I was under the impression you only wished to download the thunderbird rpm. dnf download thunderbird would do that as long as you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed. Is there something I'm missing? No, i misunderstood, I thought I had to download another function/plug-in, whatever. # dnf download thunderbird Last metadata expiration check performed 0:02:34 ago on Sat Aug 15 18:16:18 2015. thunderbird-38.1.0-1.fc22.x86_64.rpm 1.2 MB/s | 60 MB 00:49 The downloaded packages were saved in cache till the next successful transaction. You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages' It was too easy, sorry for my ignorance. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 15:56, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 15/08/15 15:35, g wrote: >> . >> from what i have been seeing in dnf related post, you might check to >> insure that you did not use yum arguments that do not work with dnf. > . > Most likely an internet problem, I just did a dnf update on that > computer without a hitch? . nft. ;-) >> not sure just what you are trying to do??? >> >> are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net >> to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? > . > Eight years ago wildblue had their own mail system, five or six years > ago they switched to Google Mail and we were required configure > Thunderbird to address the gmail servers, ie: pop.googlemail.com to > receive mail, and their smtp to send. . ok. you need to contact gmail.com and ask them how you can go about regaining access to your emails. gaagle should have given wildblue enough time to notified their customers that gmail service was ending so wildblue customers could pull their emails off gmail server. such crap is why i like small independent isp's that allow customers to use ftp connection to their server directory. >> "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? > . > Yes . ok. >> is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what >> wildblue used? >> >> or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? > . > The mail could be accessed with a browser on googles web mail page but > I never used that except to look through the spam they collected when I > thought something was missing and my have been diverted as spam. . thanks to bellsouth/at&t turning email over to yuckahoo, i had to set my email configs on server so that i pull emails from spam folder and not delete emails. every day i have to log on to yuckahoo and mark good emails that are in spam folder as not spam in hopes that yuckahoo server would learn what is and is not spam. i also mark as spam what yuckahoo thinks is good. it is a loosing battle. what is worse is that they no longer offer ability to certify email senders as not being spam. even worse is fact that yuckahoo does a lot of bouncing of my support list emails. every day i get threads without original post and a lot of 're:' post get bounced to that i only know what a solution is is if the op replies to entire post showing solution. >> pull your emails off the web based email servers and set up your own >> archiving server for your emails. >> >> because you are using linux, you can soft link to paths and they will >> look like the email folders are on your client drive. > . > Not sure how I would go about doing that but I am open to suggestions. . set up one of your servers to pull all emails. set filters to move emails to various folders by recipient, by sender, as in subscribed list, etc. for each user/recipient, mount the server drive and path to the above folder directories on user/recipient system. link the directories to the thunderbird "Mail/Local Folders" subfolder. >> transfer locally or transfer between the 2 inet servers? > . > Essentially I have been transferring "Mail" between Thunderbird on one > computer to Thunderbird on others via my nsf server, /mnt/HOME1/MAIL, > being available to two others. It also serves as an archive of sorts for > all the mail. And it simplifies configuring Thunderbird since it brings > in the various filters, etc. . by soft linking nsf directories into "Mail/Local Folder" path, you can eliminate having to do so manually. >> what you really need to handle your problem is a hosted web site and set >> up your own email server. > . > That would be another recurring cost, I already pay Viasat a lot for > what I have ... . maybe we need to get a group together of linux users that are having email server problems and jointly set up on a host our own site and email server so we can start to enjoy emails again. :-) -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/16/15 05:29, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > On 15/08/15 16:53, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 08/16/15 00:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: >>> How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will >>> provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me >>> an rpm I can use for another install. >>> >>> Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been >>> forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a >>> waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount >>> each month ... >> If you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed dnf will have a >> "download" option. >> >> See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html and the section on >> "Changes in DNF plugins compared to Yum utilities". >> > . > It looks like: |download_packages|(/pkglist/, /progress=None/) > >Download packages in pkglist from remote repositories. > > might be the command I need? But I can't make it work? > > # dnf install dnf-download_packages > Last metadata expiration check performed 2:02:23 ago on Sat Aug 15 15:14:40 > 2015. > No package dnf-download_packages available. > Error: Unable to find a match. > > From your previous message I was under the impression you only wished to download the thunderbird rpm. dnf download thunderbird would do that as long as you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed. Is there something I'm missing? -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 16:53, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/16/15 00:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me an rpm I can use for another install. Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount each month ... If you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed dnf will have a "download" option. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html and the section on "Changes in DNF plugins compared to Yum utilities". . It looks like: |download_packages|(/pkglist/, /progress=None/) Download packages in pkglist from remote repositories. might be the command I need? But I can't make it work? # dnf install dnf-download_packages Last metadata expiration check performed 2:02:23 ago on Sat Aug 15 15:14:40 2015. No package dnf-download_packages available. Error: Unable to find a match. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 15:35, g wrote: . from what i have been seeing in dnf related post, you might check to insure that you did not use yum arguments that do not work with dnf. . Most likely an internet problem, I just did a dnf update on that computer without a hitch? . not sure just what you are trying to do??? are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? . Eight years ago wildblue had their own mail system, five or six years ago they switched to Google Mail and we were required configure Thunderbird to address the gmail servers, ie: pop.googlemail.com to receive mail, and their smtp to send. . "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? . Yes . is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what wildblue used? or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? . The mail could be accessed with a browser on googles web mail page but I never used that except to look through the spam they collected when I thought something was missing and my have been diverted as spam. . pull your emails off the web based email servers and set up your own archiving server for your emails. because you are using linux, you can soft link to paths and they will look like the email folders are on your client drive. . Not sure how I would go about doing that but I am open to suggestions. . transfer locally or transfer between the 2 inet servers? . Essentially I have been transferring "Mail" between Thunderbird on one computer to Thunderbird on others via my nsf server, /mnt/HOME1/MAIL, being available to two others. It also serves as an archive of sorts for all the mail. And it simplifies configuring Thunderbird since it brings in the various filters, etc. . what you really need to handle your problem is a hosted web site and set up your own email server. . That would be another recurring cost, I already pay Viasat a lot for what I have ... g Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/16/15 00:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will > provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me an > rpm I can use for another install. > > Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been > forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a > waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount each > month ... If you have the dnf-plugins-core package installed dnf will have a "download" option. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html and the section on "Changes in DNF plugins compared to Yum utilities". -- It seems most people that say they are "done talking about it" never really are until given the last word. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 13:26, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: <<>> > Yes, thanks for the suggestions. I dnf removed and yumex installed > again, since dnf from the command line just stopped, I dunno why, > another problem most likely that I don't want to deal with right now. . from what i have been seeing in dnf related post, you might check to insure that you did not use yum arguments that do not work with dnf. ??? > My real problem is that Viasat/Wildblue are no longer using gmail, > Google has apparently decided they no longer want to provide that > service to ISPs. That leaves me with thousands of messages I can't > seem to transfer between Thunderbird using gmail and Thunderbird > using wildblue, no matter what I have tried Thunderbird has choked > on the result. . not sure just what you are trying to do??? are you saying that you used gmail.wildblue.net or you used wildblue.net to get to gmail.com with thunderbird? > For a long time I have simply done: rsync -avu > /home/bobg/.Thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/* /mnt/HOME1/MAIL to an > NFS server and reversed the process in the other computers to transfer > mail and peripheral stuff so all the thunderbirds look identical, > filters, directories, etc. . "HOME1/MAIL" is the nfs server? > Now Thunderbird configured for "mail.wildblue.net will not accept files > from the original configured as pop.gmail.com, and that too is probably > just as well. . is "pop.gmail.com" a server that you used browser to join, or is it what wildblue used? or, where you using your wildblue account to pull emails from pop.gmail? > However once I have all the Thunderbird computers in the new configuration > I will have difficulty reading the old messages should I have need for > them, I will pretty much have burnt my bridges. . pull your emails off the web based email servers and set up your own archiving server for your emails. because you are using linux, you can soft link to paths and they will look like the email folders are on your client drive. > I could do something but it just seems messy, ideally I would like > to transfer between the two. . transfer locally or transfer between the 2 inet servers? > There are other disadvantages to the switch away from gmail too but this > is not the place for that. I have other users on my system and I have > been busy fixing stuff. . what you really need to handle your problem is a hosted web site and set up your own email server. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 15/08/15 13:56, g wrote: On 08/15/15 11:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give me an rpm I can use for another install. Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have been forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which seems a waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an allocated amount each month ... mozilla supplies 'generic' *.tar.bz2 installation files that install in /opt. i have never used such, only read about them. i may be wrong, but i believe they need tweaking. firefox-40.0.2.tar.bz2 is available from; https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/ complete list of latest for os, 32/64, language from; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ also, for more info about what to do, have a look at; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/40.0.2/releasenotes/ personally, i believe you would be better of by picking a mirror site and pull the .rpm file. once you have it, run a local install. just look thru your /etc/yum.repos.d/ files to get url for mirror list then go to that page to find a site to pull from. such will be easier than pulling from mozilla because it is already complied for os. . Yes, thanks for the suggestions. I dnf removed and yumex installed again, since dnf from the command line just stopped, I dunno why, another problem most likely that I don't want to deal with right now. My real problem is that Viasat/Wildblue are no longer using gmail, Google has apparently decided they no longer want to provide that service to ISPs. That leaves me with thousands of messages I can't seem to transfer between Thunderbird using gmail and Thunderbird using wildblue, no matter what I have tried Thunderbird has choked on the result. For a long time I have simply done: rsync -avu /home/bobg/.Thunderbird/6gjqb341.default/Mail/* /mnt/HOME1/MAIL to an NFS server and reversed the process in the other computers to transfer mail and peripheral stuff so all the thunderbirds look identical, filters, directories, etc. Now Thunderbird configured for "mail.wildblue.net will not accept files from the original configured as pop.gmail.com, and that too is probably just as well. However once I have all the Thunderbird computers in the new configuration I will have difficulty reading the old messages should I have need for them, I will pretty much have burnt my bridges. I could do something but it just seems messy, ideally I would like to transfer between the two. There are other disadvantages to the switch away from gmail too but this is not the place for that. I have other users on my system and I have been busy fixing stuff. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-22/64bit LINUX XFCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf downloadonly -
On 08/15/15 11:39, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > How do I download a thunderbird rpm for Fedora 22? I'm sure Mozilla will > provide one. dnf install thunderbird will do it but that does not give > me an rpm I can use for another install. > > Normally this is not a problem but in messing with thunderbird I have > been forced to dnf install a copy each time I want to start over which > seems a waste. especially when my Viasat usage is limited to an > allocated amount each month ... > mozilla supplies 'generic' *.tar.bz2 installation files that install in /opt. i have never used such, only read about them. i may be wrong, but i believe they need tweaking. firefox-40.0.2.tar.bz2 is available from; https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/ complete list of latest for os, 32/64, language from; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ also, for more info about what to do, have a look at; https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/40.0.2/releasenotes/ personally, i believe you would be better of by picking a mirror site and pull the .rpm file. once you have it, run a local install. just look thru your /etc/yum.repos.d/ files to get url for mirror list then go to that page to find a site to pull from. such will be easier than pulling from mozilla because it is already complied for os. -- peace out. If Bill Gates got a dime for every time Windows crashes... ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it! -+- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6 tc,hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --downloadonly equivalent?
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:59:41 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Sounds like you want DNF Automatic, configured to download but not > apply. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/automatic.html Looks like the very thing. Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --downloadonly equivalent?
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:39:27 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > I used to run "yum --downloadonly update" in cron at night so I would > have the cache already built when I was ready to actually > do the install later. > > I don't see anything like --downloadonly in dnf. > > Am I missing something, or is there no way to do that? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1048433 ___ Regards Frank Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf --downloadonly equivalent?
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:39:27AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > I used to run "yum --downloadonly update" in cron at night so I would > have the cache already built when I was ready to actually > do the install later. > I don't see anything like --downloadonly in dnf. > Am I missing something, or is there no way to do that? Sounds like you want DNF Automatic, configured to download but not apply. See http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/automatic.html -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
