Re: VirtualBox does not run on Wayland

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/6/24 11:07 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

Yeah, Wayland is not quite ready for prime time. It is still missing
features. I do my best to avoid it.

(This is one of the most important features (for me). X11 has it,
Wayland does not: ).


To be clear, that's a KDE issue, not Wayland.  Gnome supports that option.

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Re: VirtualBox does not run on Wayland

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 4:51 AM Frédéric  wrote:
>
> It took me a while to understand that Wayland was the source of my
> problem so I share my experience so that others can be quicker to
> solve this issue.
>
> I moved to F40 and Plasma came only with Wayland. Then, everything
> seemed OK apart that my Windows VM running in VirtualBox did not
> capture the mouse (quite annoying!). I run VirtualBox 7.0.18-1.fc40
> from rpmfusion-free-updates.
>
> I tried all options for the mouse (PS/2 mouse, USB tablet, multi-touch
> USB tablet and USB MT TouchScreen and TouchPad) but nothing worked.
> The VirtualBox menu above the VM was also not accessible.
>
> After one week of research, I found this post:
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1512787/ubuntu-22-04-2-virtualbox-7-0-18-captured-mouse-is-not-contained-when-integrat
>
> and installed plasma-workspace-x11. I now run X11 Plasma and
> VirtualBox works fine.

Yeah, Wayland is not quite ready for prime time. It is still missing
features. I do my best to avoid it.

(This is one of the most important features (for me). X11 has it,
Wayland does not: <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415364>).

Jeff
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Re: VirtualBox does not run on Wayland

[John Pilkington]

On 06/07/2024 09:50, Frédéric wrote:

Hi,

It took me a while to understand that Wayland was the source of my
problem so I share my experience so that others can be quicker to
solve this issue.

I moved to F40 and Plasma came only with Wayland. Then, everything
seemed OK apart that my Windows VM running in VirtualBox did not
capture the mouse (quite annoying!). I run VirtualBox 7.0.18-1.fc40
from rpmfusion-free-updates.

I tried all options for the mouse (PS/2 mouse, USB tablet, multi-touch
USB tablet and USB MT TouchScreen and TouchPad) but nothing worked.
The VirtualBox menu above the VM was also not accessible.

After one week of research, I found this post:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1512787/ubuntu-22-04-2-virtualbox-7-0-18-captured-mouse-is-not-contained-when-integrat

and installed plasma-workspace-x11. I now run X11 Plasma and
VirtualBox works fine.

Thanks,

F


plasma-workspace-x11 in F40 may be auto-erased by later kde updates. 
Playground dispute.


https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/k...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/M45QTYTM52LQNMJCW5UX3VQYQHDWUV42/

John P

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Re: VirtualBox does not run on Wayland

[Sérgio Basto]

Hi,
Thank you for the report 

On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 10:50 +0200, Frédéric via rpmfusion-users wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It took me a while to understand that Wayland was the source of my
> problem so I share my experience so that others can be quicker to
> solve this issue.
> 
> I moved to F40 and Plasma came only with Wayland. Then, everything
> seemed OK apart that my Windows VM running in VirtualBox did not
> capture the mouse (quite annoying!). I run VirtualBox 7.0.18-1.fc40
> from rpmfusion-free-updates.

Running VirtualBox as server ? and what are the guest systems ? 


> I tried all options for the mouse (PS/2 mouse, USB tablet, multi-
> touch
> USB tablet and USB MT TouchScreen and TouchPad) but nothing worked.
> The VirtualBox menu above the VM was also not accessible.
> 
> After one week of research, I found this post:
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1512787/ubuntu-22-04-2-virtualbox-7-0-18-captured-mouse-is-not-contained-when-integrat
> 
> and installed plasma-workspace-x11. I now run X11 Plasma and
> VirtualBox works fine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> F
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VirtualBox does not run on Wayland

[Frédéric]

Hi,

It took me a while to understand that Wayland was the source of my
problem so I share my experience so that others can be quicker to
solve this issue.

I moved to F40 and Plasma came only with Wayland. Then, everything
seemed OK apart that my Windows VM running in VirtualBox did not
capture the mouse (quite annoying!). I run VirtualBox 7.0.18-1.fc40
from rpmfusion-free-updates.

I tried all options for the mouse (PS/2 mouse, USB tablet, multi-touch
USB tablet and USB MT TouchScreen and TouchPad) but nothing worked.
The VirtualBox menu above the VM was also not accessible.

After one week of research, I found this post:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1512787/ubuntu-22-04-2-virtualbox-7-0-18-captured-mouse-is-not-contained-when-integrat

and installed plasma-workspace-x11. I now run X11 Plasma and
VirtualBox works fine.

Thanks,

F
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[murph nj]

If you're still not interested in the QEMU/Libvirt route, this news
may interest you, might lead to better compatibility.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300317

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM Sbob  wrote:
>
> All;
>
>
> I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I
> have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support
> Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly
> just works.
>
> I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's
>
>
> I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at
> virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community:
>
>    -  can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox?
>
>
>- does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after
> each kernel and sometimes
> just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch?
>
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 12/2/23 10:50, Sbob wrote:

can I run OSX in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? Does the same mac unlocker work?


Also, I might add, I have been doing consulting for 29 years now.  I 
have never once need an OSx computer to play on.  Their on line 
documentation is excellent.


On the other hand, most of the OSx work I have done for customers
has not been that complicated. A few things yes, but mostly
no.  And power OSx users never call me and they can do it
themselves.
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 12/2/23 10:50, Sbob wrote:

can I run OSX in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? Does the same mac unlocker work?


Yes.  But first you must purchase Apple hardware to run
it on or you are in violation of the terms and conditions
of OSx.  VM's are allow, but only on Apple hardware.
As such, you will et little support from the qemu-kvm
folks if yo hae any issues.

You can also run Hackintosh, but it is illegal.

If you think M$ does not play well with the other
kiddies in the sandbox, you have not met Apple.

It is best to go on line and rent an OSx VM
on the cloud.



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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[Sbob]

can I run OSX in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? Does the same mac unlocker work?


On 12/1/23 19:11, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 12/1/23 15:32, Sbob wrote:
How is the virtual networking in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? can I just click 
into settings and 'add' a network interface?


Yes.  Lots of options

https://imgur.com/sOgQTvW.png
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 12/1/23 15:32, Sbob wrote:
How is the virtual networking in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? can I just click into 
settings and 'add' a network interface?


Yes.  Lots of options

https://imgur.com/sOgQTvW.png
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[old sixpack13]

...
>    -  can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox?
> 
> 
>    - does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after 
> each kernel and sometimes
>     just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch?
> 
I don't know if it also happens with OSX, but Vbox has issues with kernel 
Version > 6.6.x. 
guest and module compile is working though, but not without a crash on command 
line
see:
https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/21898
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[Sbob]

How is the virtual networking in QEMU/KVM/libvirt? can I just click into 
settings and 'add' a network interface?



On 12/1/23 01:17, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 11/30/23 23:04, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like
from VMware.


I have done it.


My Keeper:

References:
http://serverfault.com/questions/273982/virt-convert-ovf-to-kvm
    http://edoceo.com/notabene/ova-to-vmdk-to-qcow2
    http://wiki.hackzine.org/sysadmin/kvm-import-ova.html



Converting OVA for use with KVM / QCOW2

The OVA file is nothing more than a TAR archive, containing the .OVF 
and .VMDK files. Easy!


Using Evergreen ILS for example:

~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova:    POSIX tar archive (GNU)

I'ts possible to use the tar command to list the contents

~ $ tar -tf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk

Simply extract those things...

~ $ tar -xvf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk

Now take a look at the created files The OVF XML file describes the 
image, it makes for some interesting reading about the expectations of 
the running environment.


~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze*
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk: VMware4 disk image
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova:    POSIX tar archive (GNU)
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf:    XML document text

Recent versions of qemu are able to run directly from the VMDK file, 
buy why do that? Use QCOW2, it's better. Execute: qemu-img -h and the 
last line of output shows the supported formats.


~ $ qemu-img -h |tail -n1
Supported formats: raw cow qcow vdi vmdk cloop dmg bochs vpc vvfat 
qcow2 parallels nbd blkdebug sheepdog host_cdrom host_floppy 
host_device file


Now actually convert it, this may take some time.

~ $ qemu-img convert -O qcow2 Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk 
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.qcow2

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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 11/30/23 23:04, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like
from VMware.


I have done it.


My Keeper:

References:
http://serverfault.com/questions/273982/virt-convert-ovf-to-kvm
http://edoceo.com/notabene/ova-to-vmdk-to-qcow2
http://wiki.hackzine.org/sysadmin/kvm-import-ova.html



Converting OVA for use with KVM / QCOW2

The OVA file is nothing more than a TAR archive, containing the .OVF and 
.VMDK files. Easy!


Using Evergreen ILS for example:

~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova:POSIX tar archive (GNU)

I'ts possible to use the tar command to list the contents

~ $ tar -tf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk

Simply extract those things...

~ $ tar -xvf Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk

Now take a look at the created files The OVF XML file describes the 
image, it makes for some interesting reading about the expectations of 
the running environment.


~ $ file Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze*
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk: VMware4 disk image
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ova:POSIX tar archive (GNU)
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.ovf:XML document text

Recent versions of qemu are able to run directly from the VMDK file, buy 
why do that? Use QCOW2, it's better. Execute: qemu-img -h and the last 
line of output shows the supported formats.


~ $ qemu-img -h |tail -n1
Supported formats: raw cow qcow vdi vmdk cloop dmg bochs vpc vvfat qcow2 
parallels nbd blkdebug sheepdog host_cdrom host_floppy host_device file


Now actually convert it, this may take some time.

~ $ qemu-img convert -O qcow2 Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze-disk1.vmdk 
Evergreen_trunk_Squeeze.qcow2

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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 11/30/23 23:11, Thomas Dineen wrote:

"osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's"

Help me out here in that I have very little experience with MAC OS:

Are you running MAC OS in a VM?

if yes how do you purchase MAC OS License?

Thomas Dineen



Hi Thomas,

The OSx license states that you can only run it in a virtual
machine is you first run it on Mac hardware.  So you have to
purchase a Mac and install Fedora on it, then run OSx in a VM.

There are OSx hacks (Hackintosh), that you can
run in a VM, but they are illegal.

OSx does not play well with the other kiddies in the sand box.
It is an Apple thing.

Best to "rent-a-Mac" VM online to test things Mac.

-T

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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[Thomas Dineen]

"osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's"

Help me out here in that I have very little experience with MAC OS:

Are you running MAC OS in a VM?

if yes how do you purchase MAC OS License?

Thomas Dineen

On 11/30/2023 11:04 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM Sbob  wrote:

I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I
have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support
Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly
just works.

I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's

I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at
virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community:

-  can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox?

    - does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after
each kernel and sometimes
 just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch?

I had trouble running VirtualBox on Fedora 39. I could not get the
kernel modules to build correctly. But it happened around the time of
F39 release, so that may have changed by now.

I switched to QEMU/KVM/libvirt. The nice thing about these packages
are, they are supported by the kernel out-of-the-box. You don't have
to putz around with tainted modules or signing kernel modules.

I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like
from VMware.

Jeff
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Re: Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM Sbob  wrote:
>
> I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I
> have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support
> Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly
> just works.
>
> I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's
>
> I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at
> virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community:
>
>    -  can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox?
>
>- does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after
> each kernel and sometimes
> just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch?

I had trouble running VirtualBox on Fedora 39. I could not get the
kernel modules to build correctly. But it happened around the time of
F39 release, so that may have changed by now.

I switched to QEMU/KVM/libvirt. The nice thing about these packages
are, they are supported by the kernel out-of-the-box. You don't have
to putz around with tainted modules or signing kernel modules.

I don't know how well QEMU/KVM/libvirt handle other disk images, like
from VMware.

Jeff
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Virtualbox vs VMware for Fedora?

[Sbob]

All;


I am running Fedora39, I have run VMware workstation for years, and I 
have on and off had issues since VMware does not officially support 
Fedora, normally I run a patch after each kernel update and it mostly 
just works.


I am also running the osx unlocker so I can run mac VM's


I recently tried virtualbox on a spare laptop, havent looked at 
virtualbox in years, and I was impressed, a few questions for the community:


  -  can I run the osx unlocker with virtualbox?


  - does virtualbox have the same issues where it needs a patch after 
each kernel and sometimes

   just breaks with a new kernel , even with the patch?


Thanks in advance
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Re: Virtualbox not working on kernel 6.3

[ogio.spam]

Hello Samuel,
first of all, I can confirm VBox is working disabling IBT.

Il giorno mar, 06/06/2023 alle 23.59 -0700, Samuel Sieb ha scritto:
> On 6/6/23 23:25, ogio.spam wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > there is a documented issue for Virtualbox and new kernels (6.3).
> > All VMs stuck on starting.
> > 
> > It seems to be a problem related with IBT (enable by default on new
> > Fedora kernels) that causes the VM to refuse to load.
> > 
> > One reference here: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/21435 
> > <https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/21435>
> > 
> > I'll try to disable IBT at boot and try to use VM's but the
> > question is:
> > There is already a solution (IBT is there why?) or there is only
> > this 
> > workaround?
> 
> IBT is a security thing.  If Virtualbox is having a problem with
> that, 
> it seems likely that they're doing something that they shouldn't be
> doing.
I know. I'm waiting for it.
My first question was why rpmfusion are providing it without specifying
the issue.
But this is another film.
> 
> But also, the usual question when things like this come up.  Why
> aren't 
> you using qemu/KVM anyway?
Never used qemu. I know VirtualBox and I started to use it when vmware
was no more available on Linux.
I use vbox cause some of my VM are already provided by some vendors
(and running on linux but also on Windows for my collegues).
So converting from vbox to qemu is a job that I don't want to do.
Maybe I can try later at least to understand if there are advantage
using it.

Regards
 Ogio

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Re: Virtualbox not working on kernel 6.3

[Samuel Sieb]

On 6/6/23 23:25, ogio.spam wrote:

Hi all,
there is a documented issue for Virtualbox and new kernels (6.3).
All VMs stuck on starting.

It seems to be a problem related with IBT (enable by default on new 
Fedora kernels) that causes the VM to refuse to load.


One reference here: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/21435 
<https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/21435>


I'll try to disable IBT at boot and try to use VM's but the question is:
There is already a solution (IBT is there why?) or there is only this 
workaround?


IBT is a security thing.  If Virtualbox is having a problem with that, 
it seems likely that they're doing something that they shouldn't be doing.


But also, the usual question when things like this come up.  Why aren't 
you using qemu/KVM anyway?

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Virtualbox not working on kernel 6.3

[ogio.spam]

Hi all,
there is a documented issue for Virtualbox and new kernels (6.3).
All VMs stuck on starting.

It seems to be a problem related with IBT (enable by default on new
Fedora kernels) that causes the VM to refuse to load.

One reference here: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/21435

I'll try to disable IBT at boot and try to use VM's but the question
is:
There is already a solution (IBT is there why?) or there is only this
workaround?

Regards
 Ogio
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Re: VMs under VirtualBox didn't start anymore (maybeufter upgrade)

[ogio.spam]

After some tests, the problem is with kernel 6.3.4.
Both RPMFusion and VirtualBox packages are not working.

I'll try to post bug also to the RPMFusion support.

Bye
 Ogio

Il giorno gio, 01/06/2023 alle 19.54 +0200, ogio.spam ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> I had a VirtualBox environment working in Fedora 38 using RPM Fusion
> package.
> 
> Today I needed to start a VM and it hangs on starting at 20%
> I thought it was a disk full, but it's not the case.
> 
> I rebooted my PC and tryed with a different VM but the result was the
> same.
> 
> So I removed virtualbox and installed it with virtualbox.repo
> instead.
> Same result.
> 
> There is someone had my similar problem?
> 
> Tnx
>  Ogio
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VMs under VirtualBox didn't start anymore (maybeufter upgrade)

[ogio.spam]

Hi all,
I had a VirtualBox environment working in Fedora 38 using RPM Fusion
package.

Today I needed to start a VM and it hangs on starting at 20%
I thought it was a disk full, but it's not the case.

I rebooted my PC and tryed with a different VM but the result was the
same.

So I removed virtualbox and installed it with virtualbox.repo instead.
Same result.

There is someone had my similar problem?

Tnx
 Ogio
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[stan via users]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:45:09 +0100
Barry  wrote:

> Its not a check as such.
> Masking means the service is defined as /dev/null, hard to start when
> there is nothing defined.

True that.  :-)
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[stan via users]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:38:56 -0700
stan  wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 04:59:48 -
> "Andre Robatino"  wrote:
> 
> > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:59:59 -0700
> > > Jonathan Ryshpan  > > 
> > > 
> > > I masked systemd-oomd.service because I have real swap,
> > 
> > Masking it is unreliable because it might start running again if
> > system-oomd-defaults is updated or reinstalled. (To check this, try
> > reinstalling it.) It's better to just remove the
> > system-oomd-defaults package. That way, systemd-oomd.service
> > continues to run, but it's not monitoring anything (as verified
> > with oomctl).  
> 
> So, I have it masked, and this shows from systemctl,
> systemd-oomd.service maskedinactive dead
>   systemd-oomd.service However, I don't have the
> systemd-oomd-defaults package installed so I can't say whether that
> would cause it to start while being masked or not.  Perhaps I will
> give that a try at some point.  If it is being started despite being
> masked, that is definitely a bug.  Masking is supposed to be
> inviolable.  Since systemd-oomd is part of the main systemd package,
> that would be the package to file the bug against.  It is possible
> that it is not checking the service status if the
> systemd-oomd-defaults package is installed.

I installed systemd-oomd-defaults, rebooted, and the service remained
masked.  I checked with ps and top, and it is not running.  On F37,
fully up to date.

Name: systemd
Version : 251.14
Release : 2.fc37
Architecture: x86_64
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Barry]

> On 16 Apr 2023, at 15:39, stan via users  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 04:59:48 -
> "Andre Robatino"  wrote:
> 
>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:59:59 -0700
>>> Jonathan Ryshpan >> 
>>> 
>>> I masked systemd-oomd.service because I have real swap,  
>> 
>> Masking it is unreliable because it might start running again if
>> system-oomd-defaults is updated or reinstalled. (To check this, try
>> reinstalling it.) It's better to just remove the system-oomd-defaults
>> package. That way, systemd-oomd.service continues to run, but it's
>> not monitoring anything (as verified with oomctl).
> 
> So, I have it masked, and this shows from systemctl,
> systemd-oomd.service maskedinactive dead
> systemd-oomd.service
> However, I don't have the systemd-oomd-defaults package installed so I
> can't say whether that would cause it to start while being masked or
> not.  Perhaps I will give that a try at some point.  If it is being
> started despite being masked, that is definitely a bug.  Masking is
> supposed to be inviolable.  Since systemd-oomd is part of the main
> systemd package, that would be the package to file the bug against.  It
> is possible that it is not checking the service status if the
> systemd-oomd-defaults package is installed.

Its not a check as such.
Masking means the service is defined as /dev/null, hard to start when there is 
nothing defined.

Barry


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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

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On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 04:59:48 -
"Andre Robatino"  wrote:

> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:59:59 -0700
> > Jonathan Ryshpan  > 
> > 
> > I masked systemd-oomd.service because I have real swap,  
> 
> Masking it is unreliable because it might start running again if
> system-oomd-defaults is updated or reinstalled. (To check this, try
> reinstalling it.) It's better to just remove the system-oomd-defaults
> package. That way, systemd-oomd.service continues to run, but it's
> not monitoring anything (as verified with oomctl).

So, I have it masked, and this shows from systemctl,
systemd-oomd.service maskedinactive dead
systemd-oomd.service
However, I don't have the systemd-oomd-defaults package installed so I
can't say whether that would cause it to start while being masked or
not.  Perhaps I will give that a try at some point.  If it is being
started despite being masked, that is definitely a bug.  Masking is
supposed to be inviolable.  Since systemd-oomd is part of the main
systemd package, that would be the package to file the bug against.  It
is possible that it is not checking the service status if the
systemd-oomd-defaults package is installed.
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 3:48 PM Andre Robatino
 wrote:
>
> I don't know enough about systemd to think that's even a bug - I had assumed 
> it was normal behavior. In any case the bug that was forcing me to disable 
> the OOM killer ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177722 ) has 
> been fixed so I'm not disabling it anymore.

As far as I know, a masked service cannot be started. (A disabled
service can be manually started).

See https://www.techrepublic.com/article/masked-services-linux-how-manage/ .

Jeff
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Andre Robatino]

I don't know enough about systemd to think that's even a bug - I had assumed it 
was normal behavior. In any case the bug that was forcing me to disable the OOM 
killer ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177722 ) has been fixed 
so I'm not disabling it anymore.
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 1:05 PM Andre Robatino
 wrote:
>
> On F37, masking was the first thing I tried. Then after a systemd update, I 
> noticed it was running again, even though it was still masked (verified by 
> "systemctl status systemd-oomd" which showed it both running and masked at 
> the same time).

Fedora's bug reporter is at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ .

Jeff
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Andre Robatino]

On F37, masking was the first thing I tried. Then after a systemd update, I 
noticed it was running again, even though it was still masked (verified by 
"systemctl status systemd-oomd" which showed it both running and masked at the 
same time).
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/14/23 22:06, Andre Robatino wrote:

I just tried masking/reinstalling just now and it didn't restart. I experienced 
it before with a systemd update so it might require that. But masking is 
definitely not 100% effective.


Masking should be 100% effective.  It changes files in /etc which should 
not be touched by any install or update.

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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Andre Robatino]

I just tried masking/reinstalling just now and it didn't restart. I experienced 
it before with a systemd update so it might require that. But masking is 
definitely not 100% effective.
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Andre Robatino]

> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:59:59 -0700
> Jonathan Ryshpan  
> 
> I masked systemd-oomd.service because I have real swap,

Masking it is unreliable because it might start running again if 
system-oomd-defaults is updated or reinstalled. (To check this, try 
reinstalling it.) It's better to just remove the system-oomd-defaults package. 
That way, systemd-oomd.service continues to run, but it's not monitoring 
anything (as verified with oomctl).
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 09:49 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 08:30 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:59:59 -0700
> > Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2023-04-10 at 22:21 -0400, Go Canes wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 8:53 PM Jonathan Ryshpan
> > > >  wrote:  
> > > > > Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps,
> > > > > in
> > > > > particular Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the
> > > > > console. Firefox and Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice
> > > > > attempts
> > > > > to restore files being worked on (but it failed to restore
> > > > > about
> > > > > 2 hours' worth of work).  
> > > > 
> > > > Guessing  - OOMD is killing things to free up RAM?  
> > > 
> > > Certainly correct. In future I'll have to take corrective action
> > > --
> > > maybe buy more RAM.  From the system log:
> > 
> > I masked systemd-oomd.service because I have real swap, and when
> > something starts using too much memory, it starts using that swap
> > and
> > I notice the slowdown in the system.  Then I can do something about
> > it.
> 
> If I understand the situation correctly (which I may not} in my
> system
> this happens: All real and virtual memory is allocated (The system
> has
> 16 Gb RAM + 32 Gb Swap.), but more memory is needed, at which point
> oomd
> starts killing processes. The system often becomes quite slow, with a
> lot of disk activity, before processes start to die.
> 
> Cures might be more RAM, more swap, or cutting the system load. More
> swap is probably a bad idea, since the system already appears to be
> running slow on account of a lot of swapping.

You might try monitoring usage via oomctl to see what is actually
happening.

poc
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Doug Herr]

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023, at 5:52 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in 
> particular Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice;
[snip]

I assume it is not just starting the VirtualBox Manager that is doing this.

It might help to know how much memory is assigned to the VB clients that are 
running.




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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 08:30 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:59:59 -0700
> Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:
> > On Mon, 2023-04-10 at 22:21 -0400, Go Canes wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 8:53 PM Jonathan Ryshpan
> > >  wrote:  
> > > > Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in
> > > > particular Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the
> > > > console. Firefox and Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice attempts
> > > > to restore files being worked on (but it failed to restore about
> > > > 2 hours' worth of work).  
> > > 
> > > Guessing  - OOMD is killing things to free up RAM?  
> > 
> > Certainly correct. In future I'll have to take corrective action --
> > maybe buy more RAM.  From the system log:
> 
> I masked systemd-oomd.service because I have real swap, and when
> something starts using too much memory, it starts using that swap and
> I notice the slowdown in the system.  Then I can do something about
> it.

If I understand the situation correctly (which I may not} in my system
this happens: All real and virtual memory is allocated (The system has
16 Gb RAM + 32 Gb Swap.), but more memory is needed, at which point oomd
starts killing processes. The system often becomes quite slow, with a
lot of disk activity, before processes start to die.

Cures might be more RAM, more swap, or cutting the system load. More
swap is probably a bad idea, since the system already appears to be
running slow on account of a lot of swapping.


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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Tom Horsley]

This is unlikely to be the problem, but it is a fun story:

Many years ago there was a bug in the KVM kernel code that failed to
correctly context switch all the registers in virtual machines.
In this case, the somewhat obscure debug registers. So if I was
running debugger tests inside a virtual machine, and the test was
using a address trap (where the debug registers can be set to
generate an interrupt when you reference a specific memory location),
then sometimes programs running on the host machine would get the
address trap if they referenced that memory address :-). After much
head scratching I managed to produce a test case that could trigger
the bug nearly instantly and reported the bug, which was actually
fixed.

I suppose the virtual box kernel code might have introduced such
a bug, but that's probably unlikely.
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[stan via users]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:59:59 -0700
Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:

> On Mon, 2023-04-10 at 22:21 -0400, Go Canes wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 8:53 PM Jonathan Ryshpan
> >  wrote:  
> > > Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in
> > > particular Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the
> > > console. Firefox and Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice attempts
> > > to restore files being worked on (but it failed to restore about 2
> > > hours' worth of work).  
> > 
> > Guessing  - OOMD is killing things to free up RAM?  
> 
> Certainly correct. In future I'll have to take corrective action --
> maybe buy more RAM.  From the system log:

I masked systemd-oomd.service because I have real swap, and when
something starts using too much memory, it starts using that swap and I
notice the slowdown in the system.  Then I can do something about it.

Might or might not work for your use case.
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 15:46 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-04-10 at 17:52 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > Libreoffice attempts to restore files being worked on (but it failed
> > to restore about 2 hours' worth of work).
> 
> Some thirty-plus years ago I learnt to regularly press "CTRL S" to
> save the current status of whatever I was working on, because crashes,
> power outages, cats, and nearby twits with a bad sense of humour can
> so easily wreck a lot of hard work in a fraction of a second.
> 
> These days, that's any time my train of thought has changed, or after
> finishing a long paragraph.  Yep, my trust in technology is that poor,
> and that includes any faith in auto-recovery.

Always good advice. But I am a luck fellow. Linux has been good to me;
over 30 years of work I have lost an appreciable amount of work only
this once.


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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Mon, 2023-04-10 at 22:21 -0400, Go Canes wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 8:53 PM Jonathan Ryshpan 
> wrote:
> > Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in
> > particular Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the
> > console. Firefox and Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice attempts to
> > restore files being worked on (but it failed to restore about 2
> > hours' worth of work).
> 
> Guessing  - OOMD is killing things to free up RAM?

Certainly correct. In future I'll have to take corrective action --
maybe buy more RAM.  From the system log:

Apr 10 13:35:44 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Killed
/user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/app.slice/app-
libreoffice\x2dcalc-d5d271b128784076915db377a70340bc.scope due 
to memory pressure for /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service
being 59.60% > 50.00% for > 20s with reclaim activity
Apr 10 13:35:44 amito systemd[1440]: app-libreoffice\x2dcalc-
d5d271b128784076915db377a70340bc.scope: systemd-oomd killed 5
process(es) in this unit.
Apr 10 13:35:44 amito systemd[1440]: app-libreoffice\x2dcalc-
d5d271b128784076915db377a70340bc.scope: Consumed 4min 26.480s CPU time.
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Considered 113 cgroups for
killing, top candidates were:
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Path:
/user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/app.slice/app-
mozilla\x2dthunderbird-c2bba51b2b8346e1bbe7647080a15d7b.
scope
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Memory Pressure
Limit: 0.00%
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Pressure:
Avg10: 0.45 Avg60: 2.44 Avg300: 1.02 Total: 1min 35s
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Current Memory
Usage: 163.0M
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Memory Min: 0B
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Memory Low: 0B
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Pgscan: 577674
Apr 10 13:35:59 amito systemd-oomd[948]: Last Pgscan:
577354


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 they are right
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 01:15 +, C. Linus Hicks wrote:
> Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in
> particular Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the console.
> Firefox and Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice attempts to restore
> files being worked on (but it failed to restore about 2 hours' worth
> of work).
>  
> Has anyone seen anything like this? Any ideas on how to prevent it?
> Any experience with other virtual environments?
>  
> System info:
>Operating System: Fedora Linux 37
>KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
>KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
>Qt Version: 5.15.8
>Kernel Version: 6.2.9-200.fc37.x86_64 (64-bit)
>Graphics Platform: X11
>Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
>Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM
>Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4600
>Manufacturer: ASUS
>Product Name: All Series 
>  
> You didn't report what version of VirtualBox you are running.

Very good point:
$ rpm -q VirtualBox
VirtualBox-7.0.6-1.fc37.x86_64


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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2023-04-10 at 17:52 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> Libreoffice attempts to restore files being worked on (but it failed
> to restore about 2 hours' worth of work).

Some thirty-plus years ago I learnt to regularly press "CTRL S" to save
the current status of whatever I was working on, because crashes, power
outages, cats, and nearby twits with a bad sense of humour can so
easily wreck a lot of hard work in a fraction of a second.

These days, that's any time my train of thought has changed, or after
finishing a long paragraph.  Yep, my trust in technology is that poor,
and that includes any faith in auto-recovery.
 
-- 
 
uname -rsvp
Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64
 
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Go Canes]

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 8:53 PM Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:
> Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in particular 
> Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the console. Firefox and 
> Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice attempts to restore files being worked on 
> (but it failed to restore about 2 hours' worth of work).

Guessing  - OOMD is killing things to free up RAM?
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Re: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[C. Linus Hicks]

Subject: Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in particular 
Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the console. Firefox and 
Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice attempts to restore files being worked on 
(but it failed to restore about 2 hours' worth of work).
 
Has anyone seen anything like this? Any ideas on how to prevent it? Any 
experience with other virtual environments?
 
System info:
Operating System: Fedora Linux 37
KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
Qt Version: 5.15.8
Kernel Version: 6.2.9-200.fc37.x86_64 (64-bit)
Graphics Platform: X11
Processors: 8  Intel Core i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM
Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4600
Manufacturer: ASUS
Product Name: All Series
 


You didn't report what version of VirtualBox you are running.

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Running VirtualBox Crashes Other Apps

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

Starting Oracle's VirtualBox has started to crash other apps, in
particular Thunderbird, Firefox, and Libreoffice; but not the console.
Firefox and Thunderbird just stop; Libreoffice attempts to restore files
being worked on (but it failed to restore about 2 hours' worth of work).

Has anyone seen anything like this? Any ideas on how to prevent it? Any
experience with other virtual environments?

System info:
   Operating System: Fedora Linux 37
   KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.4
   KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
   Qt Version: 5.15.8
   Kernel Version: 6.2.9-200.fc37.x86_64 (64-bit)
   Graphics Platform: X11
   Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
   Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM
   Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4600
   Manufacturer: ASUS
   Product Name: All Series

-- 
Sincerely Jonathan Ryshpan 

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Re: Upgraded from 35 to 36, and noticed that VirtualBox wasn't working with 6.0.15, but would with 6.0.14?

[Michael D. Setzer II via users]

On 26 Dec 2022 at 8:37, John Mellor wrote:

From:   John Mellor 
Date sent:  Mon, 26 Dec 2022 08:37:42 -0500
Subject:Re: Upgraded from 35 to 36, and noticed that VirtualBox wasn't
working with 6.0.15, but would with 6.0.14?
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> 
> 
> On 2022-12-26 07:29, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
> Appears there is kmod-VirtualBox-6.0.14-200.fc36.x86_64-7.0.4-1.fc36.x86_64
> but not a version for 6.0.15 yet? 
> Gave message the vboxdrv wasn't loaded, but ran the 
> commands it said, but guess without the package, it 
> couldn't build the module.
> But was able to boot with 6.0.14, and do the testing I 
> needed. Took a while to figure out the issue, so have to 
> check for updates. 
> Just thought I'd mention it. Had no issues with Fedora 35, 
> so at first thought it might be a Fedora 36 issue.
> Virtualbox is a 3rd-party package (in this case, Oracle), so 
> you would need to wait for an update released by them for 
> the newer kernel. This being a kmod, there is probably 
> nothing that the rpm packager (in this case its rpmfusion) 
> can do until Oracle releases a kernel-matching version.
> Just out of curiosity, why are you using virtualbox instead of 
> a kvm solution frontended by boxes or virtmanager?

Have been the maintainer of the G4L project going back 
to 2004, and have been using Virtualbox to check the iso 
images after creating new versions for both regular and 
efi setups. So, it is something that works just fine. 
Perhaps will take a look at those options. 

Thanks for reply.


> --
> John Mellor


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Re: Upgraded from 35 to 36, and noticed that VirtualBox wasn't working with 6.0.15, but would with 6.0.14?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 7:30 AM Michael D. Setzer II via users
 wrote:
>
> Appears there is kmod-VirtualBox-6.0.14-200.fc36.x86_64-7.0.4-1.fc36.x86_64
> but not a version for 6.0.15 yet?
> Gave message the vboxdrv wasn't loaded, but ran the commands it said, but 
> guess without the package, it couldn't build the module.
> But was able to boot with 6.0.14, and do the testing I needed. Took a while 
> to figure out the issue, so have to check for updates.
> Just thought I'd mention it. Had no issues with Fedora 35, so at first 
> thought it might be a Fedora 36 issue.

Also see "VirtualBox and Fedora 37" on the mailing list,
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/WB76I7KNYGLDBIB4JJZF5E6EJ7MCHONY/

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Re: Upgraded from 35 to 36, and noticed that VirtualBox wasn't working with 6.0.15, but would with 6.0.14?

[John Mellor]

On 2022-12-26 07:29, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
Appears there is 
kmod-VirtualBox-6.0.14-200.fc36.x86_64-7.0.4-1.fc36.x86_64

but not a version for 6.0.15 yet?
Gave message the vboxdrv wasn't loaded, but ran the commands it said, 
but guess without the package, it couldn't build the module.
But was able to boot with 6.0.14, and do the testing I needed. Took a 
while to figure out the issue, so have to check for updates.
Just thought I'd mention it. Had no issues with Fedora 35, so at first 
thought it might be a Fedora 36 issue.


Virtualbox is a 3rd-party package (in this case, Oracle), so you would 
need to wait for an update released by them for the newer kernel. This 
being a kmod, there is probably nothing that the rpm packager (in this 
case its rpmfusion) can do until Oracle releases a kernel-matching version.


Just out of curiosity, why are you using virtualbox instead of a kvm 
solution frontended by boxes or virtmanager?


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Upgraded from 35 to 36, and noticed that VirtualBox wasn't working with 6.0.15, but would with 6.0.14?

[Michael D. Setzer II via users]

Appears there is 
kmod-VirtualBox-6.0.14-200.fc36.x86_64-7.0.4-1.fc36.x86_64
but not a version for 6.0.15 yet? 
Gave message the vboxdrv wasn't loaded, but ran the 
commands it said, but guess without the package, it 
couldn't build the module.

But was able to boot with 6.0.14, and do the testing I 
needed. Took a while to figure out the issue, so have to 
check for updates. 

Just thought I'd mention it. Had no issues with Fedora 
35, so at first thought it might be a Fedora 36 issue.


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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

[John Westerdale]

Jamie, Great idea!

Refine open projects into tools that folks all over will want to use!

Open source works when it attracts contributions and gets more useful each
time.

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His  -

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Jamie Fargen  wrote:

> Fedora has long supported virtualization with libvirt and kvm, there
> is a suitable gui interface via virt-manager to make it easier for
> mere mortals to manage VMs, Images, etc. What are the considerations
> in using these tools which are thoroughly tested and used by the
> Fedora community instead of combining these external tools which may
> not be tested and quickly available with each iteration of Fedora
> releases?
>
> Regards,
> -Jamie
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 8:11 AM Luna Jernberg 
> wrote:
> >
> > Nice thats great too know :)
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:44 AM Jouk via users
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > The F36 rpm installs/works also in F37. I installed it "manually"
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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

[Andre Robatino]

Oracle's F37 repo isn't available yet, but the latest RPM 
(VirtualBox-7.0-7.0.4_154605_fedora36-1.x86_64.rpm) works fine in F37, you just 
have to install it manually. This is common up to a few weeks after each 
release. It's also common for the latest RPM name to show an older Fedora 
version, they don't update that unless necessary, so even when the F37 repo is 
enabled it will probably contain the same "fedora36" RPM.
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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 10:36 -0500, Jamie Fargen wrote:
> Fedora has long supported virtualization with libvirt and kvm, there
> is a suitable gui interface via virt-manager to make it easier for
> mere mortals to manage VMs, Images, etc. What are the considerations
> in using these tools which are thoroughly tested and used by the
> Fedora community instead of combining these external tools which may
> not be tested and quickly available with each iteration of Fedora
> releases?

I use QEMU/KVM myself, but frankly I think the documentation is not
very user-friendly. For those who are a little put off by this, and
don't mind using a non-FOSS solution, the free-as-in-beer versions of
VirtualBox or VMware Workstation cover the majority of use cases more
easily (as long as you don't need PCI pass-through).

poc
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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

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Hi Jamie,

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Jamie Fargen  wrote:
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> Fedora has long supported virtualization with libvirt and kvm, there
> is a suitable gui interface via virt-manager to make it easier for
> mere mortals to manage VMs, Images, etc. What are the considerations
> in using these tools which are thoroughly tested and used by the
> Fedora community instead of combining these external tools which may
> not be tested and quickly available with each iteration of Fedora
> releases?

I have an existing VirtualBox VM setup for Windows 10 Pro x64. I
needed to move the image from a Ubuntu 22 machine with a Coffee Lake
processor to a Fedora 37 machine with an Ice Lake processor (and I
needed to test the Windows program on Ice Lake).

Jeff
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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

[Jamie Fargen]

Fedora has long supported virtualization with libvirt and kvm, there
is a suitable gui interface via virt-manager to make it easier for
mere mortals to manage VMs, Images, etc. What are the considerations
in using these tools which are thoroughly tested and used by the
Fedora community instead of combining these external tools which may
not be tested and quickly available with each iteration of Fedora
releases?

Regards,
-Jamie

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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

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Nice thats great too know :)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:44 AM Jouk via users
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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

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The F36 rpm installs/works also in F37. I installed it "manually"
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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

[Luna Jernberg]

Was wondering the same thing some days ago

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> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm hoping someone has a contact at VirtualBox or Oracle and can nudge
> someone to have VirtualBox updated for Feedora 37.
>
>   * https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedora
>
> If someone has a contact, please ping them.
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Re: VirtualBox and Fedora 37

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On 26 Nov 2022, at 00:12, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:Hi Everyone,I'm hoping someone has a contact at VirtualBox or Oracle and can nudgesomeone to have VirtualBox updated for Feedora 37.  * https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedoraIf someone has a contact, please ping them.Rpmfusion has virualbox is this helpful?Howto/VirtualBoxrpmfusion.orgBarryThanks in advance.___users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.orgFedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelinesList Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.orgDo not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue___
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VirtualBox and Fedora 37

[Jeffrey Walton]

Hi Everyone,

I'm hoping someone has a contact at VirtualBox or Oracle and can nudge
someone to have VirtualBox updated for Feedora 37.

  * https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedora

If someone has a contact, please ping them.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: VirtualBox and VirtualBox-Server File Conflicts

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On 17/10/22 21:54, Jon Ingason via users wrote:

Den 2022-10-17 kl. 10:48, skrev Stephen Morris:

Hi,

  I tried excluding the VirtualBox-server package but VirtualBox

won't install without it.



Why would you do that? You can't run VirtualBox without the server.
Please read the information of the VirtualBox rpm:

rpm -qi VirtualBox VirtualBox-server


I was just trying that as a test. The issue I'm getting is a whole bunch 
of file conflicts between the Virtualbox and Virtualbox-server version 
that you have shown you have installed. Either I'm missing something or 
the duplicate files have been introduced after you installed the packages.


I'll need to try this again. I've just reinstalled Fedora 36 from 
scratch to resolve another issue and the rpmfusion repositories I have 
now are the nvidia and steam repositories.


I've installed the rpmfusion repositories and tried the VirtualBox 
install again and this time there was no issue.


regards,

Steve

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Re: VirtualBox and VirtualBox-Server File Conflicts

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Den 2022-10-17 kl. 10:48, skrev Stephen Morris:

Hi,

  I tried excluding the VirtualBox-server package but VirtualBox

won't install without it.



Why would you do that? You can't run VirtualBox without the server.
Please read the information of the VirtualBox rpm:

rpm -qi VirtualBox VirtualBox-server

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Re: VirtualBox and VirtualBox-Server File Conflicts

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Den 2022-10-17 kl. 10:48, skrev Stephen Morris:

Hi,
     I'm trying to install Virtualbox from the Fedora repositories, 
which appears to be coming from the Rpmfusion-free-updates repository, 
and it has a hard requires on VirtualBox-Server, so the server package 
is brought in with the install. The issue is the two packages have a 
number of files with the same name so they conflict with each other. Is 
this something that should be raised with the rpmfusion guys or should I 
just wait for it to be rectified as it is immediately obvious on 
install? I tried excluding the VirtualBox-server package but VirtualBox 
won't install without it.


Since VirtualBox are in the RPM-Fusion Repro you should ask there.
If I understand right, you are getting problem when you when you install 
VirtualBox, is that right?
I have VirtualBox installed and hade no problem with the installation or 
running VirtualBox.


$ rpm -qa | grep -i virtualbox
VirtualBox-kmodsrc-6.1.38-1.fc36.noarch
akmod-VirtualBox-6.1.38-1.fc36.x86_64
VirtualBox-server-6.1.38-1.fc36.x86_64
VirtualBox-6.1.38-1.fc36.x86_64
virtualbox-guest-additions-6.1.38-1.fc36.x86_64
kmod-VirtualBox-5.19.13-200.fc36.x86_64-6.1.38-1.fc36.x86_64
kmod-VirtualBox-5.19.14-200.fc36.x86_64-6.1.38-1.fc36.x86_64
kmod-VirtualBox-5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64-6.1.38-1.fc36.x86_64




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VirtualBox and VirtualBox-Server File Conflicts

[Stephen Morris]

Hi,
    I'm trying to install Virtualbox from the Fedora repositories, 
which appears to be coming from the Rpmfusion-free-updates repository, 
and it has a hard requires on VirtualBox-Server, so the server package 
is brought in with the install. The issue is the two packages have a 
number of files with the same name so they conflict with each other. Is 
this something that should be raised with the rpmfusion guys or should I 
just wait for it to be rectified as it is immediately obvious on 
install? I tried excluding the VirtualBox-server package but VirtualBox 
won't install without it.


regards,
Steve
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Re: Fedora 30, vagrant and VirtualBox

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/16/20 9:12 AM, Martín Marqués wrote:

Hi,

I just noticed that there's some mismatch with the version of vagrant 
for my Fedora 30 and the version of VirtualBox I have:


I don't see any updated in the *testing repos. Ahi idea why we got this 
mismatch?


virtualbox is not included in Fedora, probably because it requires an 
out-of-tree kernel module and maybe other reasons.  vagrant is a Fedora 
maintained package and does not have any requirement to work with 
virtualbox.  So updates are not likely to be tested for those 
conditions.  Have you tried using kvm instead?

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Re: Fedora 30, vagrant and VirtualBox

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>
>
> I just noticed that there's some mismatch with the version of vagrant for
> my Fedora 30 and the version of VirtualBox I have:
>

I found this blog which explains how to workaround the mismatch:

https://blogs.oracle.com/scoter/getting-vagrant-226-working-with-virtualbox-61-ga

Would be nice to have a proper fix, with new packages.
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Hi,

I just noticed that there's some mismatch with the version of vagrant for
my Fedora 30 and the version of VirtualBox I have:

```
The provider 'virtualbox' that was requested to back the machine
'ironman' is reporting that it isn't usable on this system. The
reason is shown below:

Vagrant has detected that you have a version of VirtualBox installed
that is not supported by this version of Vagrant. Please install one of
the supported versions listed below to use Vagrant:

4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0

A Vagrant update may also be available that adds support for the version
you specified. Please check www.vagrantup.com/downloads.html to download
the latest version.
```

I don't see any updated in the *testing repos. Ahi idea why we got this
mismatch?

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Re: problems to run vboxconfig [VirtualBox-6.1-6.1.4_136177_fedora31-1.x86_64] under kernel 5.6.3-300.fc31.x86_64

[sixpack13]

On 10.04.20 20:57, Samuel Sieb wrote:
...


I raw boot a second disk with vbox.
I currently don't know if it's possible to do so with kvm
- I should check it ... -


It's easy.  Just add the raw device as a hard drive.  You can even setup 
a qcow2 overlay so any changes get stored separately and don't get 
written to the hard drive.


I will try it by time.
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Re: problems to run vboxconfig [VirtualBox-6.1-6.1.4_136177_fedora31-1.x86_64] under kernel 5.6.3-300.fc31.x86_64

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/10/20 5:23 AM, sixpack13 wrote:

On 10.04.20 13:54, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-10 19:52, sixpack13 wrote:

On 10.04.20 13:24, Ed Greshko wrote:



...




Good to know.

Yet, I am happier now that I've switched to qemu/kvm.  :-)



I raw boot a second disk with vbox.
I currently don't know if it's possible to do so with kvm
- I should check it ... -


It's easy.  Just add the raw device as a hard drive.  You can even setup 
a qcow2 overlay so any changes get stored separately and don't get 
written to the hard drive.

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Re: problems to run vboxconfig [VirtualBox-6.1-6.1.4_136177_fedora31-1.x86_64] under kernel 5.6.3-300.fc31.x86_64

[sixpack13]

On 10.04.20 13:54, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-10 19:52, sixpack13 wrote:

On 10.04.20 13:24, Ed Greshko wrote:



...




Good to know.

Yet, I am happier now that I've switched to qemu/kvm.  :-)



I raw boot a second disk with vbox.
I currently don't know if it's possible to do so with kvm
- I should check it ... -

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Re: problems to run vboxconfig [VirtualBox-6.1-6.1.4_136177_fedora31-1.x86_64] under kernel 5.6.3-300.fc31.x86_64

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-10 19:52, sixpack13 wrote:
> On 10.04.20 13:24, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 19:01 Joachim Backes > > wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Hello Ed,
>>
>>     thanks for your reply, but i found these URL's too, and it seems that
>>     the kernel 5.6.3 needs to be patched... brr
>>
>>     No simple  solution?
>>
>>
>> IMO, 2 simple solutions.
>>
>> Don't run 5.6 kernel until Oracle gets its act together.
>>
>
> it is alrady.
>
> he might run Oracle testbuild 136807
>
> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds
>
> works with F32 and kernel 5.6.x
>

Good to know.

Yet, I am happier now that I've switched to qemu/kvm.  :-)

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Re: problems to run vboxconfig [VirtualBox-6.1-6.1.4_136177_fedora31-1.x86_64] under kernel 5.6.3-300.fc31.x86_64

[sixpack13]

On 10.04.20 13:24, Ed Greshko wrote:



On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 19:01 Joachim Backes 
mailto:joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de>> 
wrote:



Hello Ed,

thanks for your reply, but i found these URL's too, and it seems that
the kernel 5.6.3 needs to be patched... brr

No simple  solution?


IMO, 2 simple solutions.

Don't run 5.6 kernel until Oracle gets its act together.



it is alrady.

he might run Oracle testbuild 136807

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds

works with F32 and kernel 5.6.x

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Re: problems to run vboxconfig [VirtualBox-6.1-6.1.4_136177_fedora31-1.x86_64] under kernel 5.6.3-300.fc31.x86_64

[Ed Greshko]

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 19:01 Joachim Backes 
wrote:

>
> Hello Ed,
>
> thanks for your reply, but i found these URL's too, and it seems that
> the kernel 5.6.3 needs to be patched... brr
>
> No simple  solution?
>

IMO, 2 simple solutions.

Don't run 5.6 kernel until Oracle gets its act together.

>
Or, do what I did and switch to qemu/kvm virtualization.



>
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dnf upgrade with Virtualbox system dumps to grub limited?

[Michael D. Setzer II via users]

Had an i386 Virtual Box setup that was running Fedora 28.
Did the upgrade from the 28 to 30 using the dnf update process, and it 
seemed to run just fine. Downloaded all the files, and then did the reboot.
Watched it do all the updates, cleanups, and verify, and then the reboot after 
the process completed. No errors, but the reboot then dumped to the grub 
prompt with lines show hd0 and two other hdo/msdos items.
ls resulted in no files be listed. 
I've done this kind of upgrade in past, but always a single version, but 
perhaps going from 28 to 30 was too much. 
Had backed up the 28 vdi file, so just restored it.
I then created a new virtual box from the fedora 30 iso, and it installed fine, 
but have a lot of manual customization to get it to the same level as the 
previous Fedora 28.
Don't know if an update to 29, would have worked?
Updated 3 other real systems from 28 to 29, with no issues, so not sure what 
issue might be. Really Glad I had backup of the vdi. 

Thanks.

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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Chris Murphy]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:52 AM Dario Lesca  wrote:
>
> On a i7+16Gb+SSD notebook of a my friend I have install Fedora 29 workstation 
> (all work fine! ... thank to all!)
> and into qemu/kvm/libvirtd via virt-manager I have install a win10pro with 
> all virtio driver (disk, network, ecc..).
>
> After few days my friend say me that the win10 is slow and less efficient 
> than same installation on another PC with VirtualBox.
> He told me "virtualbox is better and faster"

What backing storage is the VM using? qcow2, raw, LVM? If it's a file,
what filesystem is it on?

It's worth experimenting with the virtio disk "cache mode" setting, in
virt-manager under advanced > performance options. I use unsafe, which
is bad advice to give because it really is not safe if there's a
crash, good chance the guest filesystem is toast. But it's a lot
faster. And I consider my VM's throwaway.  There may be another cache
setting that's not so dangerous but also doesn't penalize like the
default. I think what you want is cache=writeback if it's a file, and
cache=none if it's LVM. I would say test both and pick the one with
better performance.

https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/virtualization/html/book.virt/cha.cachemodes.html#cachemodes.descr

Note that some of the cache modes must be paired with a specific IO
mode, e.g. unsafe only works with threads.

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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mer, 24/04/2019 alle 11.26 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan ha
scritto:
> You haven't said which version of Win10 your friend has

Win10pro

Thanks


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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 11:07 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote:
> Il giorno mar, 23/04/2019 alle 21.39 -0700, Gordon Messmer ha scritto:
> > Is the user interfacing with the VM through virt-manager, or over
> > RDP?  My experience has been that, although Spice is better than VNC,
> > interfacing with the virtual console is noticeably less responsive
> > than RDP.
> 
> My friend use virt-manager spice console, and the drive is a 7.2 rpm
> disk ext4 parted (no LVM)  
> ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Toshiba model: MQ04ABF100 size: 931.51 GiB
> [alb@vivobook-pro ~]$ df -T /virt/win10.qcow2File systemTipo 1K-
> blocchi Usati Disponib. Uso% Montato
> su/dev/sda2  ext4  337375272 120006960 200160916  38% /virt
> Then, I will recommend my friend to use RDP
> Thanks

You haven't said which version of Win10 your friend has, but note that
RDP requires at least Win10 Pro.

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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mar, 23/04/2019 alle 21.39 -0700, Gordon Messmer ha scritto:
> Is the user interfacing with the VM through virt-manager, or over
> RDP?  My experience has been that, although Spice is better than VNC,
> interfacing with the virtual console is noticeably less responsive
> than RDP.

My friend use virt-manager spice console, and the drive is a 7.2 rpm
disk ext4 parted (no LVM)  
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Toshiba model: MQ04ABF100 size: 931.51 GiB
[alb@vivobook-pro ~]$ df -T /virt/win10.qcow2File systemTipo 1K-
blocchi Usati Disponib. Uso% Montato
su/dev/sda2  ext4  337375272 120006960 200160916  38% /virt
Then, I will recommend my friend to use RDP
Thanks

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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Gordon Messmer]

On 4/10/19 8:18 AM, Dario Lesca wrote:

Il giorno mar, 09/04/2019 alle 19.53 -0700, Gordon Messmer ha scritto:

Can you post the content of /etc/libvirt/qemu/.xml?


see attach.



It looks like this host is using virtio drivers for disk and network, 
and that's usually the important bits.  It's possible that qcow2 on a 
journaled drive is slower than expected.  I typically use LVM block 
devices to minimize overhead.  I'm not sure how much difference that'll 
make.


Is the user interfacing with the VM through virt-manager, or over RDP?  
My experience has been that, although Spice is better than VNC, 
interfacing with the virtual console is noticeably less responsive than RDP.

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions. SOLVED .

[Ed Greshko]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 15:30 Erik P. Olsen  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks. Is a build for 6.0.6 available similar to the testbuild for 6.0.x?
>

I have their repo configured so it was updated by dnf.

>
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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions. SOLVED .

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 2019-04-17 at 09:01:25 Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 4/17/19 5:22 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> > Yes I did reboot but somewhat later I went into settings to see what the 
> > screen
> > resolution was. I tried to change it into something more resonable and 
> > then, lo and
> > behold, the screen did actually resize. And all is well.  
> 
> Good, and FWIW, VirtualBox-6.0-6 was just released which contains the Guest 
> Additions
> fix and more.
> 

Thanks. Is a build for 6.0.6 available similar to the testbuild for 6.0.x?

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions. SOLVED .

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/17/19 5:22 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> Yes I did reboot but somewhat later I went into settings to see what the 
> screen
> resolution was. I tried to change it into something more resonable and then, 
> lo and
> behold, the screen did actually resize. And all is well.

Good, and FWIW, VirtualBox-6.0-6 was just released which contains the Guest 
Additions fix
and more.

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions. SOLVED .

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 2019-04-17 at 02:24:08 Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 4/16/19 10:37 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> > Thanks a lot. Did install it and now this problem was solved. However, a 
> > new problem
> > showed up: the screen auto resize did not work. Maybe I should get in 
> > contact with
> > Oracle about it. Hope they will listen.  
> 
> Did you reboot?  I have no issues.
> 

Yes I did reboot but somewhat later I went into settings to see what the screen
resolution was. I tried to change it into something more resonable and then, lo 
and
behold, the screen did actually resize. And all is well.

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions. SOLVED and a new problem.

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/16/19 10:37 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> Thanks a lot. Did install it and now this problem was solved. However, a new 
> problem
> showed up: the screen auto resize did not work. Maybe I should get in contact 
> with Oracle
> about it. Hope they will listen.

Did you reboot?  I have no issues.

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions. SOLVED and a new problem.

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 2019-04-16 at 14:56:33 Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 4/16/19 2:52 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> > On 2019-04-16 at 11:09:17 Ed Greshko wrote:
> >  
> >> On 4/16/19 8:39 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:  
> >>> On 4/15/19 5:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >>>> On 4/16/19 7:04 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>>>> That was why I suggested following the instructions to look at the log. 
> >>>>> :-)
> >>>> Well, the OP did say...  "The /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no help"
> >>>>
> >>>> Which is why I posted mine.  :-) :-)
> >>> Oops!  How did I miss that?  Presumably he has a different problem 
> >>> then...
> >> I think the problem is the same.  It is also reported on RH EL7 on the 
> >> VirtualBox
> >> Forums.
> >>
> >> In any event, it is fixed in the next version of Guest Additions.
> >>
> >> A "test" bulid can be downloaded here
> >>
> >> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds
> >>  
> >  
> > Thanks for the answers. I said that the /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of 
> > no help
> > because I did not understand what I saw but comparing my list to Ed's shows 
> > that the
> > problem indeed is the same. So I guess I have to wait for the next version 
> > to
> > surface.  
> 
> You can just download the Guest Additions iso and mount/install it just like 
> any other. 
> No need to wait.
> 
> 

Thanks a lot. Did install it and now this problem was solved. However, a new 
problem
showed up: the screen auto resize did not work. Maybe I should get in contact 
with Oracle
about it. Hope they will listen.

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/16/19 2:52 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> On 2019-04-16 at 11:09:17 Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 4/16/19 8:39 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> On 4/15/19 5:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:  
>>>> On 4/16/19 7:04 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:  
>>>>> That was why I suggested following the instructions to look at the log. 
>>>>> :-)  
>>>> Well, the OP did say...  "The /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no help"
>>>>
>>>> Which is why I posted mine.  :-) :-)  
>>> Oops!  How did I miss that?  Presumably he has a different problem then...  
>> I think the problem is the same.  It is also reported on RH EL7 on the 
>> VirtualBox
>> Forums.
>>
>> In any event, it is fixed in the next version of Guest Additions.
>>
>> A "test" bulid can be downloaded here
>>
>> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds
>>
>  
> Thanks for the answers. I said that the /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no 
> help because
> I did not understand what I saw but comparing my list to Ed's shows that the 
> problem
> indeed is the same. So I guess I have to wait for the next version to surface.

You can just download the Guest Additions iso and mount/install it just like 
any other. 
No need to wait.


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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 2019-04-16 at 11:09:17 Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 4/16/19 8:39 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 4/15/19 5:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:  
> >> On 4/16/19 7:04 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:  
> >>> That was why I suggested following the instructions to look at the log. 
> >>> :-)  
> >>
> >> Well, the OP did say...  "The /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no help"
> >>
> >> Which is why I posted mine.  :-) :-)  
> >
> > Oops!  How did I miss that?  Presumably he has a different problem then...  
> 
> I think the problem is the same.  It is also reported on RH EL7 on the 
> VirtualBox
> Forums.
> 
> In any event, it is fixed in the next version of Guest Additions.
> 
> A "test" bulid can be downloaded here
> 
> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds
> 

 
Thanks for the answers. I said that the /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no 
help because
I did not understand what I saw but comparing my list to Ed's shows that the 
problem
indeed is the same. So I guess I have to wait for the next version to surface.

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/16/19 8:39 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 4/15/19 5:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 4/16/19 7:04 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> That was why I suggested following the instructions to look at the log. :-)
>>
>> Well, the OP did say...  "The /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no help"
>>
>> Which is why I posted mine.  :-) :-)
>
> Oops!  How did I miss that?  Presumably he has a different problem then...

I think the problem is the same.  It is also reported on RH EL7 on the 
VirtualBox Forums.

In any event, it is fixed in the next version of Guest Additions.

A "test" bulid can be downloaded here

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/15/19 5:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/16/19 7:04 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

That was why I suggested following the instructions to look at the log. :-)


Well, the OP did say...  "The /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no help"

Which is why I posted mine.  :-) :-)


Oops!  How did I miss that?  Presumably he has a different problem then...
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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/16/19 7:04 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> That was why I suggested following the instructions to look at the log. :-)

Well, the OP did say...  "The /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no help"

Which is why I posted mine.  :-) :-)


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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/15/19 3:14 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/15/19 11:48 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/15/19 6:38 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

VirtualBox Guest Additions: Look at /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log to find out what
went wrong


Did you do this?


VirtualBox Guest Additions: modprobe vboxsf failed


You can try loading the kernel module yourself to see what the error message is.

One likely cause is that you are using an EFI system with secure boot enabled.  
In that
case you either have to disable it or sign the kernel module and add the key to 
the EFI
table using mokutil.


I believe this is a VirtualBox problem.  The setup log shows...


That was why I suggested following the instructions to look at the log. :-)

But the secure boot issue might end up being involved later, so it's 
good to keep in mind.

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/15/19 11:48 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 4/15/19 6:38 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
>> VirtualBox Guest Additions: Look at /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log to find out 
>> what
>> went wrong
>
> Did you do this?
>
>> VirtualBox Guest Additions: modprobe vboxsf failed
>
> You can try loading the kernel module yourself to see what the error message 
> is.
>
> One likely cause is that you are using an EFI system with secure boot 
> enabled.  In that
> case you either have to disable it or sign the kernel module and add the key 
> to the EFI
> table using mokutil.

I believe this is a VirtualBox problem.  The setup log shows...

[root@f29bg log]# tail vboxadd-setup.log
  gcc -Wp,-MD,/tmp/vbox.0/.vfsmod.o.d  -nostdinc -isystem
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/8/include -I./arch/x86/include
-I./arch/x86/include/generated  -I./include -I./arch/x86/include/uapi
-I./arch/x86/include/generated/uapi -I./include/uapi -I./include/generated/uapi 
-include
./include/linux/kconfig.h -include ./include/linux/compiler_types.h 
-D__KERNEL__ -Wall
-Wundef -Werror=strict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing 
-fno-common
-fshort-wchar -fno-PIE -Werror-implicit-function-declaration 
-Werror=implicit-int
-Wno-format-security -std=gnu89 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -mno-avx 
-m64
-falign-jumps=1 -falign-loops=1 -mno-80387 -mno-fp-ret-in-387 
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=3
-mskip-rax-setup -mtune=generic -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
-DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1
-DCONFIG_AS_SSSE3=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX2=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX512=1
-DCONFIG_AS_SHA1_NI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SHA256_NI=1 -Wno-sign-compare
-fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mindirect-branch=thunk-extern 
-mindirect-branch-register
-fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -Wno-frame-address -Wno-format-truncation
-Wno-format-overflow -Wno-int-in-bool-context -O2 
--param=allow-store-data-races=0
-Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fstack-protector-strong -Wno-unused-but-set-variable
-Wno-unused-const-variable -fvar-tracking-assignments -g -pg -mrecord-mcount 
-mfentry
-DCC_USING_FENTRY -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wvla -Wno-pointer-sign
-Wno-stringop-truncation -fno-strict-overflow -fno-merge-all-constants 
-fmerge-constants
-fno-stack-check -fconserve-stack -Werror=date-time 
-Werror=incompatible-pointer-types
-Werror=designated-init -fmacro-prefix-map=./= -Wno-packed-not-aligned
-Wno-declaration-after-statement -fshort-wchar -include
/tmp/vbox.0/include/VBox/VBoxGuestMangling.h -fno-pie
-I/lib/modules/5.0.7-200.fc29.x86_64/build/include -I/tmp/vbox.0/ 
-I/tmp/vbox.0/include
-I/tmp/vbox.0/r0drv/linux -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxsf/ -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxsf/include
-I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxsf/r0drv/linux -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -DRT_WITHOUT_PRAGMA_ONCE
-DRT_OS_LINUX -DIN_RING0 -DIN_RT_R0 -DIN_SUP_R0 -DVBOX -DVBOX_WITH_HGCM 
-DIN_MODULE
-DIN_GUEST_R0 -DRT_NO_EXPORT_SYMBOL -DRT_ARCH_AMD64 -DVBOX_WITH_64_BITS_GUESTS  
-DMODULE 
-DKBUILD_BASENAME='"vfsmod"' -DKBUILD_MODNAME='"vboxsf"' -c -o 
/tmp/vbox.0/vfsmod.o
/tmp/vbox.0/vfsmod.c
/tmp/vbox.0/vfsmod.c: In function ‘sf_read_super_aux’:
/tmp/vbox.0/vfsmod.c:235:14: error: ‘MS_REMOUNT’ undeclared (first use in this 
function);
did you mean ‘DT_RELCOUNT’?
  if (flags & MS_REMOUNT) {
  ^~
  DT_RELCOUNT
/tmp/vbox.0/vfsmod.c:235:14: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only 
once for
each function it appears in
make[2]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:277: /tmp/vbox.0/vfsmod.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [Makefile:1580: _module_/tmp/vbox.0] Error 2
make: *** [/tmp/vbox.0/Makefile.include.footer:106: vboxsf] Error 2

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Re: Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/15/19 6:38 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

VirtualBox Guest Additions: Look at /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log to find out what
went wrong


Did you do this?


VirtualBox Guest Additions: modprobe vboxsf failed


You can try loading the kernel module yourself to see what the error 
message is.


One likely cause is that you are using an EFI system with secure boot 
enabled.  In that case you either have to disable it or sign the kernel 
module and add the key to the EFI table using mokutil.

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Can't install VirtualBox Guest Additions.

[Erik P. Olsen]

Hello,

I have problem installing VirtualBox Guest Additions. My host is 
5.0.7-200.fc29.x86_64
And when I run the VGA installer on the guest system I get:

[erik@localhost VBox_GAs_6.0.4]$ sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run
Verifying archive integrity... All good.
Uncompressing VirtualBox 6.0.4 Guest Additions for Linux
VirtualBox Guest Additions installer
Removing installed version 6.0.4 of VirtualBox Guest Additions...
Copying additional installer modules ...
Installing additional modules ...
VirtualBox Guest Additions: Building the VirtualBox Guest Additions kernel 
modules.  This may take a while.
VirtualBox Guest Additions: To build modules for other installed kernels, run
VirtualBox Guest Additions:   /sbin/rcvboxadd quicksetup 
VirtualBox Guest Additions: Building the modules for kernel 
5.0.7-200.fc29.x86_64.

VirtualBox Guest Additions: Look at /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log to find out what 
went wrong
VirtualBox Guest Additions: Running kernel modules will not be replaced until 
the system is restarted
VirtualBox Guest Additions: Starting.
VirtualBox Guest Additions: modprobe vboxsf failed
[erik@localhost VBox_GAs_6.0.4]$ 

Perhaps someone on this list has overcome this problem and would explain what I 
did
wrong? The /var/log/vboxadd-setup.log was of no help.

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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno gio, 11/04/2019 alle 08.26 -0500, Rex Dieter ha scritto:
> Use virtio drivers?

Yes, all without video driver
Tomorrow I try other suggested options

Thanks


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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2019-04-11 at 08:26 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Dario Lesca wrote:
> 
> > On a i7+16Gb+SSD notebook of a my friend I have install Fedora 29
> > workstation (all work fine! ... thank to all!)
> > and into qemu/kvm/libvirtd via virt-manager I have install a win10pro
> > with all virtio driver (disk, network, ecc..).
> > 
> > After few days my friend say me that the win10 is slow and less
> > efficient than same installation on another PC with  VirtualBox.
> >  He told me "virtualbox is better and faster"
> > 
> > I have heard this statement in other cases in the past and the only
> > solution (sig!) was to replace qemu with virtualbox.
> > 
> > There is some other solution to optimize qemu/kvm on Fedora to increase
> > the performance for win10 VM?
> 
> Use virtio drivers?
> 
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-windows-virtual-machines-using-virtio-drivers/index.html

The OP says he's using virtio drivers.

opoc
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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Rex Dieter]

Dario Lesca wrote:

> On a i7+16Gb+SSD notebook of a my friend I have install Fedora 29
> workstation (all work fine! ... thank to all!)
> and into qemu/kvm/libvirtd via virt-manager I have install a win10pro
> with all virtio driver (disk, network, ecc..).
> 
> After few days my friend say me that the win10 is slow and less
> efficient than same installation on another PC with  VirtualBox.
>  He told me "virtualbox is better and faster"
> 
> I have heard this statement in other cases in the past and the only
> solution (sig!) was to replace qemu with virtualbox.
> 
> There is some other solution to optimize qemu/kvm on Fedora to increase
> the performance for win10 VM?

Use virtio drivers?

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-windows-virtual-machines-using-virtio-drivers/index.html

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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/9/19 4:51 AM, Dario Lesca wrote:
On a i7+16Gb+SSD notebook of a my friend I have install Fedora 29 
workstation (all work fine! ... thank to all!)
and into qemu/kvm/libvirtd via virt-manager I have install a win10pro 
with all virtio driver (disk, network, ecc..).


After few days my friend say me that the win10 is slow and less 
efficient than same installation on another PC with VirtualBox.

He told me "virtualbox is better and faster"

I have heard this statement in other cases in the past and the only 
solution (sig!) was to replace qemu with virtualbox.


There is some other solution to optimize qemu/kvm on Fedora to increase 
the performance for win10 VM?


Someone has some performance comparison between the two virtualization 
system?


Many thanks

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Hi Dario,

Keep in mind that Windows 10 runs at about 1/2 the speed that
Fedora runs at.  No fooling.  Windows 10 is a dog.  If you
were to install Windows 10 natively on your machine it
would only run about 10% faster than it does in qemu-kvm.
KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) is know for its performance
as it works at the kernel level.

So, unless you really goofed up your VM's configuration, the
problem is going to be Windows 10 itself.  I will attach my
Windows 10 XML file at the end of this letter:

Here are some sites for speeding up Windows 10:

https://fossbytes.com/speed-up-windows-performance-tips/

https://www.cnet.com/news/black-hole-picture-revealed-first-look-from-across-the-universe/

HTH,
-T

Oh wow.  I managed to get through this entire letter without calling it
Windows Nein.  Opps, I just did.  Rats!





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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mar, 09/04/2019 alle 19.53 -0700, Gordon Messmer ha scritto:
> Can you post the content of /etc/libvirt/qemu/.xml?

see attach.

Thanks

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win10.xml
Description: XML document
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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mar, 09/04/2019 alle 13.16 -0700, Samuel Sieb ha scritto:
> > [ ] qxl/ - QXL graphics driver for Windows 7 and earlier. (build
> > virtio-win-0.1.103-1 and later)
> > [ ] qxldod/ - QXL graphics driver for Windows 8 and later. (build
> > virtio-win-0.1.103-2 and later)
> 
> Why don't you install the graphics drivers?  That could definitely
> cause a slow down.

Thank for the suggest, I'll try it.


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Re: Fedora Virtualization (quemu/kvm) vs Virtualbox

[Gordon Messmer]

On 4/9/19 4:51 AM, Dario Lesca wrote:
Someone has some performance comparison between the two virtualization 
system?



Can you post the content of /etc/libvirt/qemu/.xml?
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