Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Scott Palmer]

I would go with the jpackage EA build. That tool is going to be part of the JDK 
as of Java 14 after all. 

Scott

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:06 PM, Derik Devecchio  wrote:
> 
> 
> Emillian,
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me.I am not trying to re-invent “write once 
> run anywhere”.I accept that everything is going to need an installer now.
> The question is, how do I get from “Clean and Build” to  .EXE file that 
> includes a JRE?   

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Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Derik Devecchio]

Thanks for the advice Jerome. I would love to have a look at the bash 
script part if you don’t mind sending me a private email.



On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:15 PM, Jerome Lelasseux 
mailto:lelass...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

If you search the mail archive I asked the same question just a few weeks ago...

Following advises here I ended up :
- creating an Ant target which depends on the built-in target that generate the 
standard NB zip installer,
- and calls a bash script which prepare the distribution packages: copy the 
files from the zip, include a jre, update etc/myapp.conf to point to the 
bundled jre, run innosetup compiler+code signing (for windows).

Look at praxislive code on github from Neil c Smith, it was a good starting 
point for me.

Jerome


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iPhone


Le mardi, octobre 1, 2019, 3:05 AM, Derik Devecchio 
mailto:ddevecc...@celestron.com>> a écrit :

Emillian,

Thanks for getting back to me.I am not trying to re-invent “write once run 
anywhere”.I accept that everything is going to need an installer now.
The question is, how do I get from “Clean and Build” to  .EXE file that 
includes a JRE?


You said "For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see
the NetBeans installer), “

Do you mean the installer for Netbeans?  Or do you mean installers for OSX and 
Windows?

but you will run into the problem of digitally signing your app

That is a good point.  I had not thought of that.


—
derik






On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Emilian Bold 
mailto:emilian.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, there is a public facing Java distribution such as AdoptOpenJDK
and many Linux distros provide their own (see 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jchoice.eu&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=sRQt0MZb0dUUHASasyKDy5c_gUle6iLsp6tUkf-OpCc&e=
 ).
So, at least on Linux, you will have some form of Java in their
repositories. Although even there there's nothing stopping you to ship
your own runtime (as part of something like 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__snapcraft.io&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=tFOZsRRrzPuhzZW48XWAsduCgxI_R1hkW0Uot_qWGBU&e=
 or manually).

But Java is no longer something users install / update.

Supporting all the Unix-like OSes seems like a non-trivial job in
itself. The NetBeans installer is just a 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dx64.sh&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=XwiporXmMd6KO0T77eE-8ebQmMoQ9ogI8_JwrnsYZ7M&e=
 file, not a
rpm/deb.

For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see
the NetBeans installer), but you will run into the problem of
digitally signing your app. For that I don't know of a cross platform
solution.

So, for example, although I build CoolBeans on a Linux build server, I
still have to digitally sign the installer on a Mac and on a Windows
machine.

--emi

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:15 PM Derik Devecchio
mailto:ddevecc...@celestron.com>> wrote:


On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold 

 wrote:

Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.


Okay, that sounds like an improvement from where I am standing, but…  Can 
Netbeans help me with that now?

The last time I looked into bundling the JRE with my program, I think it was in 
the early release days of Java9 (Netbeans 8.2 was still the IDE of choice). 
You could specify such a build, but it required linking the IDE to 3rd party 
software.   Also, at the time, it required that you have a development station 
for each OS.   You couldn’t make Windows apps on a Mac and visa versa, to say 
nothing of the dozen or so flavors of Linux out there.   To make matters worse, 
at the time, the required third party software was different for each OS.   
There were many competing options for each OS, each with dozens different 
options that need to be (a) learned and (b) configured correctly for each of 
your development stations.   Finally, creating the installer was a multi-step 
process for each OS.   As I said, this was shortly after the release of Java9 - 
so it was years ago.

Re : Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Jerome Lelasseux]

If you search the mail archive I asked the same question just a few weeks 
ago...  
Following advises here I ended up :- creating an Ant target which depends on 
the built-in target that generate the standard NB zip installer, - and calls a 
bash script which prepare the distribution packages: copy the files from the 
zip, include a jre, update etc/myapp.conf to point to the bundled jre, run 
innosetup compiler+code signing (for windows).
Look at praxislive code on github from Neil c Smith, it was a good starting 
point for me.
Jerome

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Le mardi, octobre 1, 2019, 3:05 AM, Derik Devecchio  
a écrit :

Emillian,
Thanks for getting back to me.    I am not trying to re-invent “write once run 
anywhere”.    I accept that everything is going to need an installer now.The 
question is, how do I get from “Clean and Build” to  .EXE file that includes a 
JRE?   

You said "For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform 
(seethe NetBeans installer), “  
Do you mean the installer for Netbeans?  Or do you mean installers for OSX and 
Windows?

but you will run into the problem of digitally signing your app

That is a good point.  I had not thought of that.

—derik






On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Emilian Bold  wrote:
Well, there is a public facing Java distribution such as AdoptOpenJDK
and many Linux distros provide their own (see 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jchoice.eu&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=sRQt0MZb0dUUHASasyKDy5c_gUle6iLsp6tUkf-OpCc&e=
 ).
So, at least on Linux, you will have some form of Java in their
repositories. Although even there there's nothing stopping you to ship
your own runtime (as part of something like 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__snapcraft.io&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=tFOZsRRrzPuhzZW48XWAsduCgxI_R1hkW0Uot_qWGBU&e=
 or manually).

But Java is no longer something users install / update.

Supporting all the Unix-like OSes seems like a non-trivial job in
itself. The NetBeans installer is just a 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dx64.sh&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=XwiporXmMd6KO0T77eE-8ebQmMoQ9ogI8_JwrnsYZ7M&e=
 file, not a
rpm/deb.

For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see
the NetBeans installer), but you will run into the problem of
digitally signing your app. For that I don't know of a cross platform
solution.

So, for example, although I build CoolBeans on a Linux build server, I
still have to digitally sign the installer on a Mac and on a Windows
machine.

--emi

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:15 PM Derik Devecchio
 wrote:




On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold 

 wrote:

Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.



Okay, that sounds like an improvement from where I am standing, but…  Can 
Netbeans help me with that now?

The last time I looked into bundling the JRE with my program, I think it was in 
the early release days of Java9 (Netbeans 8.2 was still the IDE of choice). 
You could specify such a build, but it required linking the IDE to 3rd party 
software.   Also, at the time, it required that you have a development station 
for each OS.   You couldn’t make Windows apps on a Mac and visa versa, to say 
nothing of the dozen or so flavors of Linux out there.   To make matters worse, 
at the time, the required third party software was different for each OS.   
There were many competing options for each OS, each with dozens different 
options that need to be (a) learned and (b) configured correctly for each of 
your development stations.   Finally, creating the installer was a multi-step 
process for each OS.   As I said, this was shortly after the release of Java9 - 
so it was years ago.


Has the state of the art advanced since that time?    I am thinking maybe a 
plugin for Netbeans that allows me to tick off the OS’s I want to support with 
a menu option to build all the installers when I am ready to distribute.   
Maybe I need a separate installer plugin for each OS that includes binaries of 
the JRE for that OS?

And what about the Unix-like OS’s?   I just assumed that if you used unix at 
all, then you were smart enough to install the JRE.  But if there /is/ no 
public facing JRE, and I need to provide that for them, then wouldn’t I need to 
provide a separate installer for each 

RE: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Ed Sowell]

Derik,

I use Launch4J, then innoSetup to create an installer. Tricky part is the 
innoSetup for including the JRE. I can share mine, if that would help.

 

Ed

 

 

 

 

 

From: Derik Devecchio  
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 6:06 PM
To: Emilian Bold 
Cc: users@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

 

Emillian,

 

Thanks for getting back to me.I am not trying to re-invent “write once run 
anywhere”.I accept that everything is going to need an installer now.

The question is, how do I get from “Clean and Build” to  .EXE file that 
includes a JRE?   

 

 

You said "For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see

the NetBeans installer), “  

 

Do you mean the installer for Netbeans?  Or do you mean installers for OSX and 
Windows?

 

but you will run into the problem of digitally signing your app

 

That is a good point.  I had not thought of that.

 

 

—

derik

 

 

 

 

 





On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Emilian Bold mailto:emilian.b...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, there is a public facing Java distribution such as AdoptOpenJDK
and many Linux distros provide their own (see 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jchoice.eu 
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jchoice.eu&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=sRQt0MZb0dUUHASasyKDy5c_gUle6iLsp6tUkf-OpCc&e=>
 
&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=sRQt0MZb0dUUHASasyKDy5c_gUle6iLsp6tUkf-OpCc&e=
 ).
So, at least on Linux, you will have some form of Java in their
repositories. Although even there there's nothing stopping you to ship
your own runtime (as part of something like 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__snapcraft.io 
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__snapcraft.io&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=tFOZsRRrzPuhzZW48XWAsduCgxI_R1hkW0Uot_qWGBU&e=>
 
&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=tFOZsRRrzPuhzZW48XWAsduCgxI_R1hkW0Uot_qWGBU&e=
 or manually).

But Java is no longer something users install / update.

Supporting all the Unix-like OSes seems like a non-trivial job in
itself. The NetBeans installer is just a 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dx64.sh 
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dx64.sh&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=XwiporXmMd6KO0T77eE-8ebQmMoQ9ogI8_JwrnsYZ7M&e=>
 
&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=XwiporXmMd6KO0T77eE-8ebQmMoQ9ogI8_JwrnsYZ7M&e=
 file, not a
rpm/deb.

For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see
the NetBeans installer), but you will run into the problem of
digitally signing your app. For that I don't know of a cross platform
solution.

So, for example, although I build CoolBeans on a Linux build server, I
still have to digitally sign the installer on a Mac and on a Windows
machine.

--emi

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:15 PM Derik Devecchio
mailto:ddevecc...@celestron.com> > wrote:








On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold 
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__emilian.bold-40gmail.com 
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__emilian.bold-40gmail.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=PeJWpW-WawklL6gXN-IwSdeL3lDovxNlGU0b7tzjPV4&e=>
 
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 wrote:

Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.


Okay, that sounds like an improvement from where I am standing, but…  Can 
Netbeans help me with that now?

The last time I looked into bundling the JRE with my program, I think it was in 
the early release days of Java9 (Netbeans 8.2 was still the IDE of choice). 
You could specify such a build, but it required linking the IDE to 3rd party 
software.   Also, at the time, it required that you have a development station 
for each OS.   You couldn’t make W

Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Derik Devecchio]

Emillian,

Thanks for getting back to me.I am not trying to re-invent “write once run 
anywhere”.I accept that everything is going to need an installer now.
The question is, how do I get from “Clean and Build” to  .EXE file that 
includes a JRE?


You said "For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see
the NetBeans installer), “

Do you mean the installer for Netbeans?  Or do you mean installers for OSX and 
Windows?

but you will run into the problem of digitally signing your app

That is a good point.  I had not thought of that.


—
derik






On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Emilian Bold 
mailto:emilian.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, there is a public facing Java distribution such as AdoptOpenJDK
and many Linux distros provide their own (see 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jchoice.eu&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=sRQt0MZb0dUUHASasyKDy5c_gUle6iLsp6tUkf-OpCc&e=
 ).
So, at least on Linux, you will have some form of Java in their
repositories. Although even there there's nothing stopping you to ship
your own runtime (as part of something like 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__snapcraft.io&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=tFOZsRRrzPuhzZW48XWAsduCgxI_R1hkW0Uot_qWGBU&e=
 or manually).

But Java is no longer something users install / update.

Supporting all the Unix-like OSes seems like a non-trivial job in
itself. The NetBeans installer is just a 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dx64.sh&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=XwiporXmMd6KO0T77eE-8ebQmMoQ9ogI8_JwrnsYZ7M&e=
 file, not a
rpm/deb.

For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see
the NetBeans installer), but you will run into the problem of
digitally signing your app. For that I don't know of a cross platform
solution.

So, for example, although I build CoolBeans on a Linux build server, I
still have to digitally sign the installer on a Mac and on a Windows
machine.

--emi

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:15 PM Derik Devecchio
mailto:ddevecc...@celestron.com>> wrote:


On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold 

 wrote:

Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.


Okay, that sounds like an improvement from where I am standing, but…  Can 
Netbeans help me with that now?

The last time I looked into bundling the JRE with my program, I think it was in 
the early release days of Java9 (Netbeans 8.2 was still the IDE of choice). 
You could specify such a build, but it required linking the IDE to 3rd party 
software.   Also, at the time, it required that you have a development station 
for each OS.   You couldn’t make Windows apps on a Mac and visa versa, to say 
nothing of the dozen or so flavors of Linux out there.   To make matters worse, 
at the time, the required third party software was different for each OS.   
There were many competing options for each OS, each with dozens different 
options that need to be (a) learned and (b) configured correctly for each of 
your development stations.   Finally, creating the installer was a multi-step 
process for each OS.   As I said, this was shortly after the release of Java9 - 
so it was years ago.


Has the state of the art advanced since that time?I am thinking maybe a 
plugin for Netbeans that allows me to tick off the OS’s I want to support with 
a menu option to build all the installers when I am ready to distribute.   
Maybe I need a separate installer plugin for each OS that includes binaries of 
the JRE for that OS?

And what about the Unix-like OS’s?   I just assumed that if you used unix at 
all, then you were smart enough to install the JRE.  But if there /is/ no 
public facing JRE, and I need to provide that for them, then wouldn’t I need to 
provide a separate installer for each and every Unix-like OS on the market?   
There must be close to a dozen by now.   And if I still need a separate 
development station for each OS, then it is going to be impractical.





On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold 

 wrote:

Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.

You are 

Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Emilian Bold]

Well, there is a public facing Java distribution such as AdoptOpenJDK
and many Linux distros provide their own (see http://www.jchoice.eu ).
So, at least on Linux, you will have some form of Java in their
repositories. Although even there there's nothing stopping you to ship
your own runtime (as part of something like snapcraft.io or manually).

But Java is no longer something users install / update.

Supporting all the Unix-like OSes seems like a non-trivial job in
itself. The NetBeans installer is just a linux-x64.sh file, not a
rpm/deb.

For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see
the NetBeans installer), but you will run into the problem of
digitally signing your app. For that I don't know of a cross platform
solution.

So, for example, although I build CoolBeans on a Linux build server, I
still have to digitally sign the installer on a Mac and on a Windows
machine.

--emi

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:15 PM Derik Devecchio
 wrote:
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold  wrote:
> >
> > Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.
> >
>
> Okay, that sounds like an improvement from where I am standing, but…  Can 
> Netbeans help me with that now?
>
> The last time I looked into bundling the JRE with my program, I think it was 
> in the early release days of Java9 (Netbeans 8.2 was still the IDE of 
> choice). You could specify such a build, but it required linking the IDE 
> to 3rd party software.   Also, at the time, it required that you have a 
> development station for each OS.   You couldn’t make Windows apps on a Mac 
> and visa versa, to say nothing of the dozen or so flavors of Linux out there. 
>   To make matters worse, at the time, the required third party software was 
> different for each OS.   There were many competing options for each OS, each 
> with dozens different options that need to be (a) learned and (b) configured 
> correctly for each of your development stations.   Finally, creating the 
> installer was a multi-step process for each OS.   As I said, this was shortly 
> after the release of Java9 - so it was years ago.
>
>
> Has the state of the art advanced since that time?I am thinking maybe a 
> plugin for Netbeans that allows me to tick off the OS’s I want to support 
> with a menu option to build all the installers when I am ready to distribute. 
>   Maybe I need a separate installer plugin for each OS that includes binaries 
> of the JRE for that OS?
>
> And what about the Unix-like OS’s?   I just assumed that if you used unix at 
> all, then you were smart enough to install the JRE.  But if there /is/ no 
> public facing JRE, and I need to provide that for them, then wouldn’t I need 
> to provide a separate installer for each and every Unix-like OS on the 
> market?   There must be close to a dozen by now.   And if I still need a 
> separate development station for each OS, then it is going to be impractical.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold  wrote:
> >
> > Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.
> >
> > You are expected to provide Java bundled with your application in the 
> > future.
> >
> > Users will not have any Java already available nor will they download
> > any new Java.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 7:39 PM Derik Devecchio
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> I know that the Netbeans’s forum doesn’t maintain 
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=.
> >>But I don’t know anyone else to ask off hand.
> >>
> >> I went to 
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=
> >>  to find out the “latest public stable release”.   I was expecting Java 9 
> >> point something.But I was hoping for 10, 11 or maybe 12.   Low and 
> >> behold it is still on Java8 u 221?
> >>
> >>
> >> Isn’t Java 9 stable enough for public?   As a person that writes software 
> >> for the customers of my company, I am loath to write code using a version 
> >> of Java that won’t be compatible with what most people already have 
> >> installed on their machine. And if they don’t have any version of Java 
> >> installed on their computer, which is increasingly the case,  then my code 
> >> should be compatible with the JRE they download from the most obvious 
> >> place, 
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=.
> >>
> >> I was just wondering if m

Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Derik Devecchio]

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold  wrote:
> 
> Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.
> 

Okay, that sounds like an improvement from where I am standing, but…  Can 
Netbeans help me with that now?

The last time I looked into bundling the JRE with my program, I think it was in 
the early release days of Java9 (Netbeans 8.2 was still the IDE of choice). 
You could specify such a build, but it required linking the IDE to 3rd party 
software.   Also, at the time, it required that you have a development station 
for each OS.   You couldn’t make Windows apps on a Mac and visa versa, to say 
nothing of the dozen or so flavors of Linux out there.   To make matters worse, 
at the time, the required third party software was different for each OS.   
There were many competing options for each OS, each with dozens different 
options that need to be (a) learned and (b) configured correctly for each of 
your development stations.   Finally, creating the installer was a multi-step 
process for each OS.   As I said, this was shortly after the release of Java9 - 
so it was years ago.


Has the state of the art advanced since that time?I am thinking maybe a 
plugin for Netbeans that allows me to tick off the OS’s I want to support with 
a menu option to build all the installers when I am ready to distribute.   
Maybe I need a separate installer plugin for each OS that includes binaries of 
the JRE for that OS?  

And what about the Unix-like OS’s?   I just assumed that if you used unix at 
all, then you were smart enough to install the JRE.  But if there /is/ no 
public facing JRE, and I need to provide that for them, then wouldn’t I need to 
provide a separate installer for each and every Unix-like OS on the market?   
There must be close to a dozen by now.   And if I still need a separate 
development station for each OS, then it is going to be impractical.





> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold  wrote:
> 
> Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.
> 
> You are expected to provide Java bundled with your application in the future.
> 
> Users will not have any Java already available nor will they download
> any new Java.
> 
> --emi
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 7:39 PM Derik Devecchio
>  wrote:
>> 
>> I know that the Netbeans’s forum doesn’t maintain 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=.
>>But I don’t know anyone else to ask off hand.
>> 
>> I went to 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=
>>  to find out the “latest public stable release”.   I was expecting Java 9 
>> point something.But I was hoping for 10, 11 or maybe 12.   Low and 
>> behold it is still on Java8 u 221?
>> 
>> 
>> Isn’t Java 9 stable enough for public?   As a person that writes software 
>> for the customers of my company, I am loath to write code using a version of 
>> Java that won’t be compatible with what most people already have installed 
>> on their machine. And if they don’t have any version of Java installed 
>> on their computer, which is increasingly the case,  then my code should be 
>> compatible with the JRE they download from the most obvious place, 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=.
>> 
>> I was just wondering if maybe 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=
>>  wasn’t the right place anymore.  It doesn’t seem like the site is stagnate. 
>>   8u221 was released just a few months ago.  But why 8? If anyone has a 
>> clue, I would appreciate some enlightenment.
>> 
>> 
>> —
>> derik
>> 
>> P.S.   Great work bringing such a huge project over to the Apache framework. 
>>   I thought it would be a lot easier than it is.  I have watched some fo the 
>> videos of Gertjan discussing the mind bogglingly large amount of tedious 
>> work involved.   I applaud your efforts.


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Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Emilian Bold]

Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware.

You are expected to provide Java bundled with your application in the future.

Users will not have any Java already available nor will they download
any new Java.

--emi

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 7:39 PM Derik Devecchio
 wrote:
>
> I know that the Netbeans’s forum doesn’t maintain Java.com.   But I don’t 
> know anyone else to ask off hand.
>
> I went to Java.com to find out the “latest public stable release”.   I was 
> expecting Java 9 point something.But I was hoping for 10, 11 or maybe 12. 
>   Low and behold it is still on Java8 u 221?
>
>
> Isn’t Java 9 stable enough for public?   As a person that writes software for 
> the customers of my company, I am loath to write code using a version of Java 
> that won’t be compatible with what most people already have installed on 
> their machine. And if they don’t have any version of Java installed on 
> their computer, which is increasingly the case,  then my code should be 
> compatible with the JRE they download from the most obvious place, Java.com.
>
> I was just wondering if maybe Java.com wasn’t the right place anymore.  It 
> doesn’t seem like the site is stagnate.   8u221 was released just a few 
> months ago.  But why 8? If anyone has a clue, I would appreciate some 
> enlightenment.
>
>
> —
> derik
>
> P.S.   Great work bringing such a huge project over to the Apache framework.  
>  I thought it would be a lot easier than it is.  I have watched some fo the 
> videos of Gertjan discussing the mind bogglingly large amount of tedious work 
> involved.   I applaud your efforts.

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Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Best to join the mailing lists here and discuss further there:

https://openjdk.java.net/

Gj

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 6:40 PM Scott Palmer  wrote:

> There are no JRE downloads after Java 8.
>
> You are expected to bundle Java with your application.
>
> Scott
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Derik Devecchio 
> wrote:
>
> I know that the Netbeans’s forum doesn’t maintain Java.com
> .   But I don’t know anyone else to ask off hand.
>
> I went to Java.com  to find out the “latest public
> stable release”.   I was expecting Java 9 point something.But I was
> hoping for 10, 11 or maybe 12.   Low and behold it is still on Java8 u 221?
>
>
>
> Isn’t Java 9 stable enough for public?   As a person that writes software
> for the customers of my company, I am loath to write code using a version
> of Java that won’t be compatible with what most people already have
> installed on their machine. And if they don’t have any version of Java
> installed on their computer, which is increasingly the case,  then my code
> should be compatible with the JRE they download from the most obvious
> place, Java.com .
>
> I was just wondering if maybe Java.com  wasn’t the
> right place anymore.  It doesn’t seem like the site is stagnate.   8u221
> was released just a few months ago.  But why 8? If anyone has a clue, I
> would appreciate some enlightenment.
>
>
> —
> derik
>
> P.S.   Great work bringing such a huge project over to the Apache
> framework.   I thought it would be a lot easier than it is.  I have watched
> some fo the videos of Gertjan discussing the mind bogglingly large amount
> of tedious work involved.   I applaud your efforts.
>
>
>

Re: Java 8 still on Java.com

[Scott Palmer]

There are no JRE downloads after Java 8.

You are expected to bundle Java with your application.

Scott


> On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Derik Devecchio  
> wrote:
> 
> I know that the Netbeans’s forum doesn’t maintain Java.com 
> .   But I don’t know anyone else to ask off hand.
> 
> I went to Java.com  to find out the “latest public stable 
> release”.   I was expecting Java 9 point something.But I was hoping for 
> 10, 11 or maybe 12.   Low and behold it is still on Java8 u 221?  
> 
> 
> Isn’t Java 9 stable enough for public?   As a person that writes software for 
> the customers of my company, I am loath to write code using a version of Java 
> that won’t be compatible with what most people already have installed on 
> their machine. And if they don’t have any version of Java installed on 
> their computer, which is increasingly the case,  then my code should be 
> compatible with the JRE they download from the most obvious place, Java.com 
> .
> 
> I was just wondering if maybe Java.com  wasn’t the right 
> place anymore.  It doesn’t seem like the site is stagnate.   8u221 was 
> released just a few months ago.  But why 8? If anyone has a clue, I would 
> appreciate some enlightenment.
> 
> 
> —
> derik
> 
> P.S.   Great work bringing such a huge project over to the Apache framework.  
>  I thought it would be a lot easier than it is.  I have watched some fo the 
> videos of Gertjan discussing the mind bogglingly large amount of tedious work 
> involved.   I applaud your efforts.

Java 8 still on Java.com

[Derik Devecchio]

I know that the Netbeans’s forum doesn’t maintain Java.com.   
But I don’t know anyone else to ask off hand.

I went to Java.com to find out the “latest public stable 
release”.   I was expecting Java 9 point something.But I was hoping for 10, 
11 or maybe 12.   Low and behold it is still on Java8 u 221?


Isn’t Java 9 stable enough for public?   As a person that writes software for 
the customers of my company, I am loath to write code using a version of Java 
that won’t be compatible with what most people already have installed on their 
machine. And if they don’t have any version of Java installed on their 
computer, which is increasingly the case,  then my code should be compatible 
with the JRE they download from the most obvious place, 
Java.com.

I was just wondering if maybe Java.com wasn’t the right place 
anymore.  It doesn’t seem like the site is stagnate.   8u221 was released just 
a few months ago.  But why 8? If anyone has a clue, I would appreciate some 
enlightenment.


—
derik

P.S.   Great work bringing such a huge project over to the Apache framework.   
I thought it would be a lot easier than it is.  I have watched some fo the 
videos of Gertjan discussing the mind bogglingly large amount of tedious work 
involved.   I applaud your efforts.