Derik, I use Launch4J, then innoSetup to create an installer. Tricky part is the innoSetup for including the JRE. I can share mine, if that would help.
Ed From: Derik Devecchio <ddevecc...@celestron.com> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 6:06 PM To: Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> Cc: users@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: Java 8 still on Java.com Emillian, Thanks for getting back to me. I am not trying to re-invent “write once run anywhere”. I accept that everything is going to need an installer now. The question is, how do I get from “Clean and Build” to .EXE file that includes a JRE? You said "For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see the NetBeans installer), “ Do you mean the installer for Netbeans? Or do you mean installers for OSX and Windows? but you will run into the problem of digitally signing your app That is a good point. I had not thought of that. — derik On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com <mailto:emilian.b...@gmail.com> > wrote: Well, there is a public facing Java distribution such as AdoptOpenJDK and many Linux distros provide their own (see https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jchoice.eu <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jchoice.eu&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=sRQt0MZb0dUUHASasyKDy5c_gUle6iLsp6tUkf-OpCc&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=sRQt0MZb0dUUHASasyKDy5c_gUle6iLsp6tUkf-OpCc&e= ). So, at least on Linux, you will have some form of Java in their repositories. Although even there there's nothing stopping you to ship your own runtime (as part of something like https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__snapcraft.io <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__snapcraft.io&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=tFOZsRRrzPuhzZW48XWAsduCgxI_R1hkW0Uot_qWGBU&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=tFOZsRRrzPuhzZW48XWAsduCgxI_R1hkW0Uot_qWGBU&e= or manually). But Java is no longer something users install / update. Supporting all the Unix-like OSes seems like a non-trivial job in itself. The NetBeans installer is just a https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dx64.sh <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__linux-2Dx64.sh&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=XwiporXmMd6KO0T77eE-8ebQmMoQ9ogI8_JwrnsYZ7M&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=XwiporXmMd6KO0T77eE-8ebQmMoQ9ogI8_JwrnsYZ7M&e= file, not a rpm/deb. For Windows/macOS you probably can use something cross platform (see the NetBeans installer), but you will run into the problem of digitally signing your app. For that I don't know of a cross platform solution. So, for example, although I build CoolBeans on a Linux build server, I still have to digitally sign the installer on a Mac and on a Windows machine. --emi On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:15 PM Derik Devecchio <ddevecc...@celestron.com <mailto:ddevecc...@celestron.com> > wrote: On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__emilian.bold-40gmail.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__emilian.bold-40gmail.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=PeJWpW-WawklL6gXN-IwSdeL3lDovxNlGU0b7tzjPV4&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=PeJWpW-WawklL6gXN-IwSdeL3lDovxNlGU0b7tzjPV4&e=> wrote: Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware. Okay, that sounds like an improvement from where I am standing, but… Can Netbeans help me with that now? The last time I looked into bundling the JRE with my program, I think it was in the early release days of Java9 (Netbeans 8.2 was still the IDE of choice). You could specify such a build, but it required linking the IDE to 3rd party software. Also, at the time, it required that you have a development station for each OS. You couldn’t make Windows apps on a Mac and visa versa, to say nothing of the dozen or so flavors of Linux out there. To make matters worse, at the time, the required third party software was different for each OS. There were many competing options for each OS, each with dozens different options that need to be (a) learned and (b) configured correctly for each of your development stations. Finally, creating the installer was a multi-step process for each OS. As I said, this was shortly after the release of Java9 - so it was years ago. Has the state of the art advanced since that time? I am thinking maybe a plugin for Netbeans that allows me to tick off the OS’s I want to support with a menu option to build all the installers when I am ready to distribute. Maybe I need a separate installer plugin for each OS that includes binaries of the JRE for that OS? And what about the Unix-like OS’s? I just assumed that if you used unix at all, then you were smart enough to install the JRE. But if there /is/ no public facing JRE, and I need to provide that for them, then wouldn’t I need to provide a separate installer for each and every Unix-like OS on the market? There must be close to a dozen by now. And if I still need a separate development station for each OS, then it is going to be impractical. On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Emilian Bold <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__emilian.bold-40gmail.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__emilian.bold-40gmail.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=PeJWpW-WawklL6gXN-IwSdeL3lDovxNlGU0b7tzjPV4&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=Yb4wDmGBHBYqGxz0n8bxogY7aRIQV-smcsBYgznELLY&s=PeJWpW-WawklL6gXN-IwSdeL3lDovxNlGU0b7tzjPV4&e=> wrote: Java is no longer an user-facing product, it's middleware. You are expected to provide Java bundled with your application in the future. Users will not have any Java already available nor will they download any new Java. --emi On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 7:39 PM Derik Devecchio <ddevecc...@celestron.com <mailto:ddevecc...@celestron.com> > wrote: I know that the Netbeans’s forum doesn’t maintain https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=. But I don’t know anyone else to ask off hand. I went to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e= to find out the “latest public stable release”. I was expecting Java 9 point something. But I was hoping for 10, 11 or maybe 12. Low and behold it is still on Java8 u 221? Isn’t Java 9 stable enough for public? As a person that writes software for the customers of my company, I am loath to write code using a version of Java that won’t be compatible with what most people already have installed on their machine. And if they don’t have any version of Java installed on their computer, which is increasingly the case, then my code should be compatible with the JRE they download from the most obvious place, https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=. I was just wondering if maybe https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Java.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e=> &d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=LEbKaWj9ZrFRBadYtwZVnHfoaHpGoEmzs1DrtRBDEg8&m=mt2t1WwNtJBjlp5LQGfiEiv6qdbpWR_ERwkbetcx0U8&s=GfCmY_DSYBKhSppRNkyy0fWKCU3mqezARULiuYf-zbg&e= wasn’t the right place anymore. It doesn’t seem like the site is stagnate. 8u221 was released just a few months ago. But why 8? If anyone has a clue, I would appreciate some enlightenment. — derik P.S. Great work bringing such a huge project over to the Apache framework. I thought it would be a lot easier than it is. I have watched some fo the videos of Gertjan discussing the mind bogglingly large amount of tedious work involved. 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