Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
Ron, Something I neglected in my original response is frequent backups. In OSX there is a built in app, TimeMachine, that regularly (to whatever frequency you want) backs up files to external storage. I use an external 1 TB hard drive for frequent saves (15-30 minute intervals) then a cloud backup for less frequent (daily to weekly). Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Ron Tanguay wrote: > > Leon, > > Many thanks for this tip. Reviewing my AutoRecovery setting, I noticed it > was set to update every 15 minutes. I have tightened that to every 5 > minutes. This may save me some real headaches in the event of a future crash. > > Ron Tanguay > >> On Sep 5, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Leon Zar wrote: >> >> I believe it is even more important to configure the OO Preferences for >> "Save AutoRecovery Information". In all the years I've used OO, I've never >> had a crash where OO was unable to recover up to, or very close to, the >> point of failure. Since I do have a UPS, the crashes I have experienced >> are all due to failures of the OS or the application. A UPS will not >> protect you from these failures, but in my experience the recovery >> information will. >> >> Having said that, I imagine that it *may* be possible for a power outage >> that occurs while OO is saving the recovery info to corrupt the recovery >> info and prevent OO from restoring a file. Not a likely event, but >> something to consider. >> >> My $0.02. >> >>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Thomas A. Panfil >>> wrote: >>> >>> Steven, >>> >>> Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT, >>> those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage >>> occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery >>> backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower >>> machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they >>> are subject to sudden improper shutdown. >>> >>> I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an >>> external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral >>> battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the >>> information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be >>> given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs. >>> >>> I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache >>> Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious >>> problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are >>> attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what >>> happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost. >>> >>> -- Tom Panfil >>> >>> >>> On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote: Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important >>> concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer >>> save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power >>> failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, >>> cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to >>> easily return to websites on restart. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil wrote: > > Hello AOO Users & Advisors, > > For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about >>> various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's >>> computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed. > > I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers >>> and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I >>> attribute that good fortune to three things: > > * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers. > * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to > their internal batteries. > * Very deliberate shut down processes: >o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my > user data) >o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally > just one) >o Shutdown the computer > > I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the >>> cause of many AOO Problems. > > Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of >>> Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers? > > Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small >>> expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of >>> profiles. > > -- > *v/r, > Tom Panfil > eBureaucrat (Ret.) > > Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR > drivers to identify their corporate sponsors > > **m-2015-mbp-15**general_user***fm** *
Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
Leon, Many thanks for this tip. Reviewing my AutoRecovery setting, I noticed it was set to update every 15 minutes. I have tightened that to every 5 minutes. This may save me some real headaches in the event of a future crash. Ron Tanguay > On Sep 5, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Leon Zar wrote: > > I believe it is even more important to configure the OO Preferences for > "Save AutoRecovery Information". In all the years I've used OO, I've never > had a crash where OO was unable to recover up to, or very close to, the > point of failure. Since I do have a UPS, the crashes I have experienced > are all due to failures of the OS or the application. A UPS will not > protect you from these failures, but in my experience the recovery > information will. > > Having said that, I imagine that it *may* be possible for a power outage > that occurs while OO is saving the recovery info to corrupt the recovery > info and prevent OO from restoring a file. Not a likely event, but > something to consider. > > My $0.02. > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Thomas A. Panfil > wrote: > >> Steven, >> >> Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT, >> those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage >> occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery >> backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower >> machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they >> are subject to sudden improper shutdown. >> >> I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an >> external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral >> battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the >> information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be >> given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs. >> >> I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache >> Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious >> problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are >> attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what >> happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost. >> >> -- Tom Panfil >> >> >> On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote: >>> Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important >> concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer >> save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power >> failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, >> cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to >> easily return to websites on restart. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil wrote: Hello AOO Users & Advisors, For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about >> various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's >> computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed. I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers >> and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I >> attribute that good fortune to three things: * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers. * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to their internal batteries. * Very deliberate shut down processes: o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my user data) o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally just one) o Shutdown the computer I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the >> cause of many AOO Problems. Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of >> Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers? Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small >> expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of >> profiles. -- *v/r, Tom Panfil eBureaucrat (Ret.) Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers to identify their corporate sponsors **m-2015-mbp-15**general_user***fm** * >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - To
Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
I believe it is even more important to configure the OO Preferences for "Save AutoRecovery Information". In all the years I've used OO, I've never had a crash where OO was unable to recover up to, or very close to, the point of failure. Since I do have a UPS, the crashes I have experienced are all due to failures of the OS or the application. A UPS will not protect you from these failures, but in my experience the recovery information will. Having said that, I imagine that it *may* be possible for a power outage that occurs while OO is saving the recovery info to corrupt the recovery info and prevent OO from restoring a file. Not a likely event, but something to consider. My $0.02. On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Thomas A. Panfil wrote: > Steven, > > Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT, > those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage > occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery > backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower > machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they > are subject to sudden improper shutdown. > > I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an > external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral > battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the > information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be > given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs. > > I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache > Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious > problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are > attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what > happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost. > > -- Tom Panfil > > > On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote: > > Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important > concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer > save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power > failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, > cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to > easily return to websites on restart. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil wrote: > >> > >> Hello AOO Users & Advisors, > >> > >> For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about > various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's > computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed. > >> > >> I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers > and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I > attribute that good fortune to three things: > >> > >> * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers. > >> * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to > >>their internal batteries. > >> * Very deliberate shut down processes: > >> o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my > >>user data) > >> o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally > >>just one) > >> o Shutdown the computer > >> > >> I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the > cause of many AOO Problems. > >> > >> Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of > Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers? > >> > >> Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small > expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of > profiles. > >> > >> -- > >> *v/r, > >> Tom Panfil > >> eBureaucrat (Ret.) > >> > >> Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR > >> drivers to identify their corporate sponsors > >> > >> **m-2015-mbp-15**general_user***fm** * > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
Steven, Your advice is perfect for a proper shutdown of a computer, BUT, those good practices are PRECISELY what do not occur if a power outage occurs while someone is using a computer which does not have a battery backup. Laptops have a built-in battery backup. Desktop and tower machines and workstations do not have integral battery backup so they are subject to sudden improper shutdown. I am convinced that users of AOO should be advised to use an external battery backup system for computers which do not have integral battery backup. This advice should be provided along with the information about how to download and install AOO. Users should be given this advice BEFORE a catastrophe occurs. I've been reading essentially all of the OpenOffice, now Apache Open Office, Users E-Mail. It seems that a large proportion of serious problems, from which recovery might be very difficult or impossible, are attributed to improper, i.e. hasty, shut down. That is exactly what happens when AC Line power to a vulnerable computer is lost. -- Tom Panfil On 7/14/20 3:45 PM, Steven Ahlers wrote: Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to easily return to websites on restart. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil wrote: Hello AOO Users & Advisors, For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed. I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I attribute that good fortune to three things: * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers. * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to their internal batteries. * Very deliberate shut down processes: o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my user data) o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally just one) o Shutdown the computer I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the cause of many AOO Problems. Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers? Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of profiles. -- *v/r, Tom Panfil eBureaucrat (Ret.) Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers to identify their corporate sponsors **m-2015-mbp-15**general_user***fm** * - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
It is also important to save all documents on a regular basis. Tools > Options > Load/Save > General has options that will you should consider using. Just make sure to limit the number of minutes to 4 of 5. Dan On 7/14/20 15:45, Steven Ahlers wrote: Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to easily return to websites on restart. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil wrote: Hello AOO Users & Advisors, For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed. I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I attribute that good fortune to three things: * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers. * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to their internal batteries. * Very deliberate shut down processes: o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my user data) o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally just one) o Shutdown the computer I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the cause of many AOO Problems. Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers? Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of profiles. -- *v/r, Tom Panfil eBureaucrat (Ret.) Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers to identify their corporate sponsors **m-2015-mbp-15**general_user***fm** * - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
Tom that’s an interesting idea. I would suggest an even more important concept, practice good computer hygiene: before you leave your computer save all documents, shut down all programs. Then if there is a power failure no problem. I would recommend clearing out browser memory (history, cookies, etc.) you can bookmark websites and use a password manager to easily return to websites on restart. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Tom Panfil wrote: > > Hello AOO Users & Advisors, > > For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about various > problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's computer > too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed. > > I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and on > MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I attribute > that good fortune to three things: > > * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers. > * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to > their internal batteries. > * Very deliberate shut down processes: > o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my > user data) > o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally > just one) > o Shutdown the computer > > I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the cause of > many AOO Problems. > > Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of > Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers? > > Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small expense > relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of profiles. > > -- > *v/r, >Tom Panfil >eBureaucrat (Ret.) > > Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR > drivers to identify their corporate sponsors > > **m-2015-mbp-15**general_user***fm** * - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Perhaps Uninterruptible Power Supplies Should be used with AOO for Non-Portable Computers
Hello AOO Users & Advisors, For years I've routinely read reports from Open Office Users about various problems. Many are generally attributed to having shut down one's computer too quickly, before shut down processes have been completed. I've used OO and AOO for many years, both on Windows based computers and on MacBook Pros. I've never experienced *this* type of problem. I attribute that good fortune to three things: * Use of Uninterruptible Power Supplies with Desktop Computers. * Use of Laptop Computers which have immunity to power loss due to their internal batteries. * Very deliberate shut down processes: o Quit the Running Applications (at least all which involve my user data) o Log out of whatever LogIn Accounts have been in use (generally just one) o Shutdown the computer I think that AC Power Failures which cause sudden shutdowns are the cause of many AOO Problems. Should the AOO Installation site STRONGLY recommend the use of Uninterruptible power Supplies with non-laptop computers? Users might be unhappy with paying for UPSes, but they are a small expense relative to the pain of serious data loss and corruption of profiles. -- *v/r, Tom Panfil eBureaucrat (Ret.) Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers to identify their corporate sponsors **m-2015-mbp-15**general_user***fm** *
