Re: [users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[Jean Lear]

Hello,
This is not an answer for the purists but a work around that I have used for
ages.
I use two different printers for envelopes that each want the envelopes fed
in
in a different way.  You only need to spend a bit of time once to get the
right
page setups on a writer document - use some reverse sides of used paper and
put them through the printer, line them up with an envelope to see if the
placement
of the address etc is correct and when it is, save them either as a template
or
a writer document - Envelope for  .? printer.  (If you open incoming
mail carefully
with a knife or opener you can use these also for your experiments)  When
the time
comes to print an envelope just open up the template or document, type in
the address or
copy and paste from the letter being written and print out.  Close when
printed -
do not save with the template or save the writer document and just change
the
address next time you want to use it. (I also have a lot of envelopes (as I
do them) saved
in an 'Envelopes' folder for regular payments or mail that has to be sent
frequently)
The printers I have do not know whether you have fed in something composed
on an
envelope or a writer page.  I use the same thing even for doing a mail
merge.  This way
I do not have to make up fully a new envelope for every envelope I have to
address and print.
meld...@gmail.com


On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Harold Fuchs <
hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> John Meyer wrote:
>
>> So your settings didn't correspond to the drawing or etching on the
>> printer itself?
>>
> As I said "The paper tray is actually marked with a "drawing" of an
> envelope showing the full left/right, portrait/landscape & up/down
> orientation. Believe it or not that drawing is "correct"."
>
> But I had to find the etching  Didn't I? :-( One day I'll learn to
> RTFM.
>
> The hardest (most time consuming) part came with the exact positioning of
> the data in the Writer template.
>
>
>  Harold Fuchs wrote:
>>
>>> Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>>>
 Harold Fuchs wrote:

> Twayne wrote:
>

  I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in
> Word as (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed or
> available to install. The only real difficulty I've had with envelopes in
> OOo was figuring out which way to put them in my printer. Once I cracked
> that, the rest was fairly straightforward. I seriously think that if you
> have issues in this area you ought to raise them with the developers (I'm
> not one) either by sending a description of what you think is wrong & how 
> to
> fix it to d...@openoffice.org or, probably more appropriately, by
> submitting one or several bug reports and/or RFEs (Request For 
> Enhancement)
> to the QA system by following the advice & links at <
> http://qa.openoffice.org>. I haven't looked but there may well be
> relevant stuff there already, perhaps even with release/fix dates.
>
>
 Harold;
I would be eternally greatfull if you could tell me how you cracked
 how to load your envelops for printing in writer. I have not been able to 
 do
 it for my lexmark printer and finally gave up. Got sick of the constant
 headache from beating it against that brick wall.

 Regards
 Keith



  Keith,
>>>
>>> Basically trial and error. The one thing I did was to *not* use real
>>> envelopes to test with. Instead I took normal paper and cut envelope-sized
>>> pieces from it. I then drew a "flap" on each side and labelled each side
>>> differently so I could tell, once the printing was correct, which was "up",
>>> which was "left" etc. It sounds more complicated than it was. Probably took
>>> 1/2 hour.
>>>
>>> I use European standard A4 paper and what I think are called DL
>>> envelopes. My printer does not have a separate place for envelopes. Instead
>>> I have to take out the paper and put an envelope there instead. The paper
>>> tray is actually marked with a "drawing" of an envelope showing the full
>>> left/right, portrait/landscape & up/down orientation. Believe it or not that
>>> drawing is "correct". The tricky bit was finding out exactly where on the
>>> "page" to put the addressee's name/address and my own name/address which I
>>> position top left in a very small font. The latter is pre-positioned in my
>>> template. For the former I pre-positioned a small text box in the template
>>> so I can copy/paste the name/address from the letter.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for you I don't have a Lexmark printer so my findings
>>> probably won't help  :-(
>>>
>>> However, I attach a template (letter.ott) that includes an envelope that
>>> prints properly on my printer. Print Page 1 only for the envelope and pages
>>> 2-n for the letter. I put the envelope in the paper tray with a short edge
>>> leading and the flap uppermost "pointing" right like a > sign. So
>>>
>>>   --
>

Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[John Meyer]

James Knott wrote:

Helene Bigler wrote:
  

Dear Support Team:
I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your open office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word / Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access it!  
Thus.YOU were recommended to me.  
Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?  
Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I don't want to loose anything - I am petrified!  
If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .  what? Damage my files? Loose info?  

I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.

  



You've just experienced Microsoft's attempts to trap a customer.  They
let you use Microsoft Office apps long enough to create some documents,
then they shut down the software until you cough up the ransom on your
documents.  Fortunately OpenOffice.org comes to the rescue.  It can read
& write most Microsoft Office files.  If you wish, it can create
OpenDocument versions of your documents, but never deletes the
originals.  You will not lose your originals by using OpenOffice.org,
but it is always a good idea to make backups of your documents as a
regular practice.  You can get OpenOffice.org for free from
www.openoffice.org.  You are free to install & use it on as many
computers as you wish and also are encouraged to pass it around to others.


  


While this is true, there may be some caveats when it comes to certain 
features such as macros.



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Re: [users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[Harold Fuchs]

John Meyer wrote:
So your settings didn't correspond to the drawing or etching on the 
printer itself?
As I said "The paper tray is actually marked with a "drawing" of an 
envelope showing the full left/right, portrait/landscape & up/down 
orientation. Believe it or not that drawing is "correct"."


But I had to find the etching  Didn't I? :-( One day I'll learn to RTFM.

The hardest (most time consuming) part came with the exact positioning 
of the data in the Writer template.



Harold Fuchs wrote:

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Twayne wrote:


I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in 
Word as (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed 
or available to install. The only real difficulty I've had with 
envelopes in OOo was figuring out which way to put them in my 
printer. Once I cracked that, the rest was fairly straightforward. 
I seriously think that if you have issues in this area you ought to 
raise them with the developers (I'm not one) either by sending a 
description of what you think is wrong & how to fix it to 
d...@openoffice.org or, probably more appropriately, by submitting 
one or several bug reports and/or RFEs (Request For Enhancement) to 
the QA system by following the advice & links at 
. I haven't looked but there may well be 
relevant stuff there already, perhaps even with release/fix dates.




Harold;
I would be eternally greatfull if you could tell me how you 
cracked how to load your envelops for printing in writer. I have not 
been able to do it for my lexmark printer and finally gave up. Got 
sick of the constant headache from beating it against that brick wall.


Regards
Keith




Keith,

Basically trial and error. The one thing I did was to *not* use real 
envelopes to test with. Instead I took normal paper and cut 
envelope-sized pieces from it. I then drew a "flap" on each side and 
labelled each side differently so I could tell, once the printing was 
correct, which was "up", which was "left" etc. It sounds more 
complicated than it was. Probably took 1/2 hour.


I use European standard A4 paper and what I think are called DL 
envelopes. My printer does not have a separate place for envelopes. 
Instead I have to take out the paper and put an envelope there 
instead. The paper tray is actually marked with a "drawing" of an 
envelope showing the full left/right, portrait/landscape & up/down 
orientation. Believe it or not that drawing is "correct". The tricky 
bit was finding out exactly where on the "page" to put the 
addressee's name/address and my own name/address which I position top 
left in a very small font. The latter is pre-positioned in my 
template. For the former I pre-positioned a small text box in the 
template so I can copy/paste the name/address from the letter.


Unfortunately for you I don't have a Lexmark printer so my findings 
probably won't help  :-(


However, I attach a template (letter.ott) that includes an envelope 
that prints properly on my printer. Print Page 1 only for the 
envelope and pages 2-n for the letter. I put the envelope in the 
paper tray with a short edge leading and the flap uppermost 
"pointing" right like a > sign. So


   --
   |\   |
   |  \ |
   |   \|
   |\   |
   |/   |
   |   /|
   | /  |
   --


The "top" of that drawing goes "into" the printer on the right hand 
side of the paper tray. Mine is an HP OfficeJet 4315 "All-in-One" 
printer.


HTH.



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Re: [users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[Harold Fuchs]

John Meyer wrote:

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Twayne wrote:


I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in 
Word as (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed 
or available to install. The only real difficulty I've had with 
envelopes in OOo was figuring out which way to put them in my 
printer. Once I cracked that, the rest was fairly straightforward. I 
seriously think that if you have issues in this area you ought to 
raise them with the developers (I'm not one) either by sending a 
description of what you think is wrong & how to fix it to 
d...@openoffice.org or, probably more appropriately, by submitting 
one or several bug reports and/or RFEs (Request For Enhancement) to 
the QA system by following the advice & links at 
. I haven't looked but there may well be 
relevant stuff there already, perhaps even with release/fix dates.




Harold;
I would be eternally greatfull if you could tell me how you 
cracked how to load your envelops for printing in writer. I have not 
been able to do it for my lexmark printer and finally gave up. Got 
sick of the constant headache from beating it against that brick wall.



Wouldn't that be more of a printer problem than it would be a software 
problem?




Absolutely. Which is why I don't understand why it should be easier in 
Word than in Writer to print envelopes. Writer has a quite sophisticated 
Envelope Wizard. As does Word. From what I can see from web-based 
documentation, Writer's Wizard covers *all* the same options & settings 
as Word's although possibly not in the same order and possibly not using 
exactly the same nomenclature.


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Re: [users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[John Meyer]

So your settings didn't correspond to the drawing or etching on the 
printer itself?

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Twayne wrote:


I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in 
Word as (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed 
or available to install. The only real difficulty I've had with 
envelopes in OOo was figuring out which way to put them in my 
printer. Once I cracked that, the rest was fairly straightforward. I 
seriously think that if you have issues in this area you ought to 
raise them with the developers (I'm not one) either by sending a 
description of what you think is wrong & how to fix it to 
d...@openoffice.org or, probably more appropriately, by submitting 
one or several bug reports and/or RFEs (Request For Enhancement) to 
the QA system by following the advice & links at 
. I haven't looked but there may well be 
relevant stuff there already, perhaps even with release/fix dates.




Harold;
I would be eternally greatfull if you could tell me how you 
cracked how to load your envelops for printing in writer. I have not 
been able to do it for my lexmark printer and finally gave up. Got 
sick of the constant headache from beating it against that brick wall.


Regards
Keith




Keith,

Basically trial and error. The one thing I did was to *not* use real 
envelopes to test with. Instead I took normal paper and cut 
envelope-sized pieces from it. I then drew a "flap" on each side and 
labelled each side differently so I could tell, once the printing was 
correct, which was "up", which was "left" etc. It sounds more 
complicated than it was. Probably took 1/2 hour.


I use European standard A4 paper and what I think are called DL 
envelopes. My printer does not have a separate place for envelopes. 
Instead I have to take out the paper and put an envelope there 
instead. The paper tray is actually marked with a "drawing" of an 
envelope showing the full left/right, portrait/landscape & up/down 
orientation. Believe it or not that drawing is "correct". The tricky 
bit was finding out exactly where on the "page" to put the addressee's 
name/address and my own name/address which I position top left in a 
very small font. The latter is pre-positioned in my template. For the 
former I pre-positioned a small text box in the template so I can 
copy/paste the name/address from the letter.


Unfortunately for you I don't have a Lexmark printer so my findings 
probably won't help  :-(


However, I attach a template (letter.ott) that includes an envelope 
that prints properly on my printer. Print Page 1 only for the envelope 
and pages 2-n for the letter. I put the envelope in the paper tray 
with a short edge leading and the flap uppermost "pointing" right like 
a > sign. So


   --
   |\   |
   |  \ |
   |   \|
   |\   |
   |/   |
   |   /|
   | /  |
   --


The "top" of that drawing goes "into" the printer on the right hand 
side of the paper tray. Mine is an HP OfficeJet 4315 "All-in-One" 
printer.


HTH.



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Re: [users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[Harold Fuchs]

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Twayne wrote:


I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in 
Word as (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed or 
available to install. The only real difficulty I've had with 
envelopes in OOo was figuring out which way to put them in my 
printer. Once I cracked that, the rest was fairly straightforward. I 
seriously think that if you have issues in this area you ought to 
raise them with the developers (I'm not one) either by sending a 
description of what you think is wrong & how to fix it to 
d...@openoffice.org or, probably more appropriately, by submitting one 
or several bug reports and/or RFEs (Request For Enhancement) to the 
QA system by following the advice & links at 
. I haven't looked but there may well be 
relevant stuff there already, perhaps even with release/fix dates.




Harold;
I would be eternally greatfull if you could tell me how you 
cracked how to load your envelops for printing in writer. I have not 
been able to do it for my lexmark printer and finally gave up. Got 
sick of the constant headache from beating it against that brick wall.


Regards
Keith




Keith,

Basically trial and error. The one thing I did was to *not* use real 
envelopes to test with. Instead I took normal paper and cut 
envelope-sized pieces from it. I then drew a "flap" on each side and 
labelled each side differently so I could tell, once the printing was 
correct, which was "up", which was "left" etc. It sounds more 
complicated than it was. Probably took 1/2 hour.


I use European standard A4 paper and what I think are called DL 
envelopes. My printer does not have a separate place for envelopes. 
Instead I have to take out the paper and put an envelope there instead. 
The paper tray is actually marked with a "drawing" of an envelope 
showing the full left/right, portrait/landscape & up/down orientation. 
Believe it or not that drawing is "correct". The tricky bit was finding 
out exactly where on the "page" to put the addressee's name/address and 
my own name/address which I position top left in a very small font. The 
latter is pre-positioned in my template. For the former I pre-positioned 
a small text box in the template so I can copy/paste the name/address 
from the letter.


Unfortunately for you I don't have a Lexmark printer so my findings 
probably won't help  :-(


However, I attach a template (letter.ott) that includes an envelope that 
prints properly on my printer. Print Page 1 only for the envelope and 
pages 2-n for the letter. I put the envelope in the paper tray with a 
short edge leading and the flap uppermost "pointing" right like a > sign. So


   --
   |\   |
   |  \ |
   |   \|
   |\   |
   |/   |
   |   /|
   | /  |
   --


The "top" of that drawing goes "into" the printer on the right hand side 
of the paper tray. Mine is an HP OfficeJet 4315 "All-in-One" printer.


HTH.

--
Harold Fuchs
London, England
Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org



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Re: [users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[John Meyer]

Keith N. McKenna wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Twayne wrote:


I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in 
Word as (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed or 
available to install. The only real difficulty I've had with 
envelopes in OOo was figuring out which way to put them in my 
printer. Once I cracked that, the rest was fairly straightforward. I 
seriously think that if you have issues in this area you ought to 
raise them with the developers (I'm not one) either by sending a 
description of what you think is wrong & how to fix it to 
d...@openoffice.org or, probably more appropriately, by submitting one 
or several bug reports and/or RFEs (Request For Enhancement) to the 
QA system by following the advice & links at 
. I haven't looked but there may well be 
relevant stuff there already, perhaps even with release/fix dates.




Harold;
I would be eternally greatfull if you could tell me how you 
cracked how to load your envelops for printing in writer. I have not 
been able to do it for my lexmark printer and finally gave up. Got 
sick of the constant headache from beating it against that brick wall.



Wouldn't that be more of a printer problem than it would be a software 
problem?


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Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[James Knott]

Helene Bigler wrote:
> Dear Support Team:
> I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your open 
> office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word / 
> Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my 
> 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without 
> going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access 
> it!  
> Thus.YOU were recommended to me.  
> Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?  
> Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I don't 
> want to loose anything - I am petrified!  
> If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .  what? 
> Damage my files? Loose info?  
> I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.
>
>   

You've just experienced Microsoft's attempts to trap a customer.  They
let you use Microsoft Office apps long enough to create some documents,
then they shut down the software until you cough up the ransom on your
documents.  Fortunately OpenOffice.org comes to the rescue.  It can read
& write most Microsoft Office files.  If you wish, it can create
OpenDocument versions of your documents, but never deletes the
originals.  You will not lose your originals by using OpenOffice.org,
but it is always a good idea to make backups of your documents as a
regular practice.  You can get OpenOffice.org for free from
www.openoffice.org.  You are free to install & use it on as many
computers as you wish and also are encouraged to pass it around to others.



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Re: [users] Special formats in Base

[jomali]

Understandable. If you want to store the extra characters, as far as I know,
you will have to make the fields in the database char or varchar fields and
type the data in as you want to store it. I seem to recall that Access
allowed one to specify storage of telephone numbers as formatted data, but
I'm sure MySQL doesn't. I haven't worked with dBase or FoxPro in so many
years that I don't know if either of them allow storage of formatted data.
Perhaps someone else knows a way, but I rather think you'll have to type the
entire text you want to save. Otherwise, you'll have to change your workflow
to minimize editing raw data.

John

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM, <71234.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:

>
> Hi jomali,
>
>
> > Why would you want to waste space in the database to store the
> parentheses, spaces and dash <
>
>
>
> At least in my case, because I often modify data in the raw stored database
> format, and it is easier if the format is easy to read, and storage space
> and computer speed to scan it are now _very_ cheap.
>
>
>
> I'm mostly speaking of use in dBase and FoxPro as I am just slowly learning
> / converting to OO Base.
>
>
>
> Bob
>

[users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[Keith N. McKenna]

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Twayne wrote:


I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in Word 
as (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed or 
available to install. The only real difficulty I've had with envelopes 
in OOo was figuring out which way to put them in my printer. Once I 
cracked that, the rest was fairly straightforward. I seriously think 
that if you have issues in this area you ought to raise them with the 
developers (I'm not one) either by sending a description of what you 
think is wrong & how to fix it to d...@openoffice.org or, probably more 
appropriately, by submitting one or several bug reports and/or RFEs 
(Request For Enhancement) to the QA system by following the advice & 
links at . I haven't looked but there may well 
be relevant stuff there already, perhaps even with release/fix dates.




Harold;
I would be eternally greatfull if you could tell me how you cracked 
how to load your envelops for printing in writer. I have not been able 
to do it for my lexmark printer and finally gave up. Got sick of the 
constant headache from beating it against that brick wall.


Regards
Keith


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Re: [users] Re: I'm petrified!

[Michael Adams]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:23:07 -0700
Came this utterance formulated by Dan Matloff to my mailbox:

> Helene,
> You are in luck!  Down load Open Office Suite from my web site link,
> and start enjoying the ability to open all your Microsoft data with a 
> breeze.  While your at it, down load Firefox as well and start
> enjoying safe and secure browsing.  Let me know if  you have any
> problems opening your Word, Excel, Presentation, or any other
> Microsoft application data.  Dan
> 

I am quite pleased you failed to include a link to your website in this
advertisement. It is probably not only unnacceptable to steer someone
away from the normal download site, but legally questionable. You are
welcome to try again if you want to test the legality issue.

I do realise your web page does direct them back to the official
download page at OpenOffice.org.

You did not contribute anything useful in that you did not answer any of
the OP's questions. I find your post self-serving and in very poor
taste. You did however stop short of directly playing on this persons
fears and for this i thank you while unable to commend you.

-- 
Michael

All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
be well

 - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416

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Re: [users] Re: Envelopes (was Re: [users] [moderated])

[Harold Fuchs]

Twayne wrote:

"Harold Fuchs"  wrote in message
news:4ad64bfe.5040...@googlemail.com
  

Nom Mitchell wrote:


How do I address an envelope?

  

See

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Print_envelopes_from_db
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1146815,00.html
http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2005/12/printing_envelo.html

among many others.



Harold, I hold you in the highest esteem, and thank you for posting 
these links.  There are many good ones around, the best of course, 
written by me< G >!  But with all due respect to you and anyone OO.o 
related in this area:


WHY does the OO.o method remain so crude?!?!  At the risk of sounding 
like I'm shooting the messenger, which I specifically am NOT doing, I 
feel forced to state the following to anyone that will listen:


One of the reasons I keep Word 2002 around is for envelopes.  Although I 
can now create envelopes in Writer that are good, and functional, it 
just is NOT worth my time to do that much fiddling when I know other 
applications make it look like child's play.  If I'm on a roll (and on 
the clock) I'll be darned if I want to stop and go through all that 
rigamorole when I know that for a few seconds worth of defining the size 
of the envelope and and adding the return address/address to it are all 
that's needed in a different application.
  And since I already have that application, just why should I then be 
bothering with OO.o?  I'm a secretary doing a mailing for my boss.  OO.o 
just wasted a lot of my time trying to figure out how to do an envelope 
just because it doesn't feed into the tray like Help demonstrates.  Hmm, 
WordPerfect handled that well; I'll just take all this back over to 
WordPerfect and do it from there.  OO.o doesn't look very good to me. 
Even though I've gone no further than write a letter and needed to feed 
a #10 envelope differently than the demo shows.  Back to WP or Word, or 
whatever.


How many people have "tried it out", only to go away because they 
couldn't do something so apparently simple as create a proper envelope? 
Most all OO.o newbies come from applications that did so smoothly and 
quickly and without requiring a lot of work.


I hope you're taking me seriously and not just as a PITA because this is 
a perfect example of an area where OO.o, or ANY word processing program 
worth its salt, should shine.  Envelopes go hand in hand with writing 
letters, resumes, orders, acknowledgements, any area of the business 
world requiring someting to be mailed.
   Yet, OO.o, after all these years, cannot simplify the process of 
creating an envelope of any sort that isn't already in the template 
provided.  If you so much as have to send an envelope into a printer 
differently than the template, you have to go and figure out all the 
oddball dimensions when it just shouldn't be so.
   Envelope generation should have been one of the first things done to 
OO.o after it became ready for production.  For years people have been 
asking how to do envelopes and looking for the 'best' way, which of 
course doesn't exist because of people's opinions when more than a 
couple steps are required to do anything.


Seriously, envelopes has to be one of the most basic, obvious and 
disappointing discoveries by new users, that any application comes up 
against.  WHY is it allowed to exist?  WHY is it not targetted to be 
fixed?  WHY wasnt' it fixed already, years ago.  Doesn't anyone realize 
that this is one of the first things about any secretary or mailing 
person is going to come across?


In one of the links you gave, someone said the problem with envelopes 
was printers.  To that I have to say bull hockey!  Printer drivers are 
there to accept information from one source and send it to another; 
program to printer.  GIGO applies there.  Feed it the right information 
and it'll work fine.  Microsoft knows it.  WordPerfect, I forget who 
owns it right now, knows it.  Albi and several other applications know 
it.  WHY does not OO.o?  Why does OO.o reference things to the BOTTOM of 
a page, when usign the top of the page would mean similarity for so many 
more envelopes?  And why the changeable right side instead of the left, 
where it all originates?  Half an inch down from the top of the page is 
simple, regardless of the page length.  But 9.5" UP from the bottom, at 
this one particular page size, works only for this one particular page 
size.  HUH?  And so forth.


Harold, you're about the best participant there is for these groups. 
But ... why aren't people getting more behind fixing the "minor" stuff 
that chases people away?  Like envelopes.  And quite a few other things, 
too.


As I get more and more frustrated by OO.o and the small things it should 
have done all along that there are apperently no plans to ever address, 
including things like a link in an image placeholder instead of the 
photo and many others, I

Re: [users] Special formats in Base

[71234 . 3514]

Hi jomali,


> Why would you want to waste space in the database to store the parentheses, 
> spaces and dash <



At least in my case, because I often modify data in the raw stored database 
format, and it is easier if the format is easy to read, and storage space and 
computer speed to scan it are now _very_ cheap.  



I'm mostly speaking of use in dBase and FoxPro as I am just slowly learning / 
converting to OO Base.  



Bob

Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[Harold Hauge]

Here is a story that may help you not being "petrified" about OpenOffice.

I am retired but help a large local elementary school (800 students) with
database applications. The school serves a poor community but has hundreds
of computers that are invalulable for the learning process. Every teacher
has at least one dedicated for class work and students have excellent
access.  Most are connected via our LAN to the internet.

Like many organizations the computers vary greatly in age. We have a mix of
Windows (Win98, Win2000, WinXP, Vista, and Mac computers.  That means there
it's always a problem with knowing what format to use if a file needs to
move from one computer to another. But license fees to create a uniform
environment are just out of reach.

My grandson, while still in school learning computer science, worked at the
school as LAN manager. He proved that we could save a lot of money by
converting many of our "old" computers to Linix (Ubuntu) rather than upgrade
and to install open office on most of the computers regardless of the
Operating system.

This has been a resounding success, the teachers had no problem with it and
the students learn it easily.  We still have a number of Windows computers
which are needed for special applications.

The most difficult step for you will be to download, install and then begin
to learn OpenOffice.  This forum is just a bunch of users who are ready to
help. I hope you will become one of them.

Harold Hauge


On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

> 2009/10/17 Sylvia Sánchez :
> > 2009/10/14 Helene Bigler
> >
> >> Dear Support Team:
> >> I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your
> open
> >> office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word
> /
> >> Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my
> >> 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it
> without
> >> going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to
> access
> >> it!
> >> Thus.YOU were recommended to me.
> >> Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?
> >> Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I
> >> don't want to loose anything - I am petrified!
> >> If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .
> >> what? Damage my files? Loose info?  
> >> I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.
> >> Please advise me.
> >> Respectfully
> >> Helene Bigler
> >> Marysville, WA
> >> nooffbut...@yahoo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > If you want, you can use opendocument format  (native format of
> OpenOffice)
> > and export your documents in pdf format when you want share them with
> others
> > who doesn't use OpenOffice.
> > The last MS Office version acept opendocument formats, anyway.
> > I export my documents in pdf and have no problem.
>
> I was going to mention that but somehow I forgot to do that… Yes, PDF
> export works great with OpenOffice.org. I have had no issues with it
> at all so far. The PDF always looks exactly like the original ODF
> file. However, if the person who receives the file wants to edit it,
> PDF isn't a very good idea in most cases.
>
> J.R.
>
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Sylvia
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [users] Special formats in Base

[jomali]

You're doing nothing wrong, Arnold. The display format of the data is one
thing and the data in the database is another. Why would you want to waste
space in the database to store the parentheses, spaces and dash in the phone
number when you can interpret it as you wish on output?

John

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Arnold Roth  wrote:

> I have created a form to enter data where one of the fields is a telephone
> number.  In setting up the table, I entered a custom format  as
> "("xxx")"xxx"-".  This shows as I expected (area code in parentheses
> followed by the digits) in the format box.
>
> When I enter phone numbers in the form, they simply appear in the table as
> a string of numbers without the formatting.
>
> Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  Thanks
>
> Arnold Roth
>
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Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2009/10/17 Sylvia Sánchez :
> 2009/10/14 Helene Bigler
>
>> Dear Support Team:
>> I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your open
>> office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word /
>> Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my
>> 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without
>> going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access
>> it!
>> Thus.YOU were recommended to me.
>> Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?
>> Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I
>> don't want to loose anything - I am petrified!
>> If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .
>> what? Damage my files? Loose info?  
>> I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.
>> Please advise me.
>> Respectfully
>> Helene Bigler
>> Marysville, WA
>> nooffbut...@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> If you want, you can use opendocument format  (native format of OpenOffice)
> and export your documents in pdf format when you want share them with others
> who doesn't use OpenOffice.
> The last MS Office version acept opendocument formats, anyway.
> I export my documents in pdf and have no problem.

I was going to mention that but somehow I forgot to do that… Yes, PDF
export works great with OpenOffice.org. I have had no issues with it
at all so far. The PDF always looks exactly like the original ODF
file. However, if the person who receives the file wants to edit it,
PDF isn't a very good idea in most cases.

J.R.

>
>
> Regards
> Sylvia
>
>
>
>>
>

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Re: [users] Inserting check boxes in Writer

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2009/10/17 Harold Fuchs :
> 2009/10/17 Johnny Rosenberg 
>
>> 2009/10/16 AG :
>> > I am designing a check-list that I will be using as hard-copies.  I would
>> > like to have tick boxes next to text, as a means of recording different
>> > aspects or parameters (e.g. check all that apply, out of a range of
>> > options).
>> >
>> > Thus far I have attempted this through experimentation with different
>> > paragraph and character formatting options, but nothing has worked.  In
>> MS
>> > Word, it was possible to insert a tab space, highlight that space and
>> then
>> > frame it using some formatting option (I can't remember which) and an
>> empty
>> > "box" or "oblong" would result.  I am looking for something similar.
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>> >
>> > TIA
>>
>> Do you need to be able to tick and untick those check boxes directly
>> by clicking it? In that case:
>> View → Toolbars → Form controls → Select the tick box you want → Draw
>> it wherever you want. → Right click it to edit preferences.
>>
>> Are the check boxes supposed to be ticked after they are printed out?
>> Just use those characters:
>> ☐ (unticked check box - U+2610)
>> ☑ (ticked check box - U+2611)
>> ☒ (ticked check box - U+2612)
>>
>> Should be included in most fonts. I actually have two of these on my
>> keyboard (after tweaking my keyboard layout) and I can access them by
>> AltGr+x and AltGr+Shift+x respectively (on US keyboards AltGr is the
>> right Alt key, I think).
>>
>> If you can't access these characters, just copy them from this email
>> and paste them into your document.☑
>>
>> If you can't see any check boxes above, you are not using the right
>> character encoding (should be UTF-8).
>>
>> Johnny Rosenberg
>>
>> >
>> > AG
>> >
>> > -
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>> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> Saying "U+2610" is saying that you need to enter the character whose hex
> value is 2610. (Sorry if you knew that already). In OpenOffice you can do
> this via the Insert>Special Character menu but there are better ways. On
> Windows there are several different ways of doing it.

I omitted that information since I don't use Windows myself. I have
created my own keyboard layout that contains all the characters I
think I need (including arrow symbols on my arrow keys etcetera,
combinated with AltGr or AltGr+Shift), but when I have to input
unicode characters by hex code I often use the ”Ctrl+Shift+u [enter
code here]↵” method (for example Ctrl+Shift+u ⇨ 2 ⇨ 6 ⇨ 1 ⇨ 0 ⇨ ↵).
I don't have a clue how to do that in Windows, so I figured someone
else would fill in with that missing information.

Other than that we have Scim, but I never used it.

Johnny Rosenberg

>
> I recommend you look at <
> http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm>. I use method #1
> on my Win XP Pro system. This works in any program, including OpenOffice
> Writer, that supports Unicode. The advantage of this, of course, is that
> it's the same for all programs; nothing special for Writer.
>
>
> --
> Harold Fuchs
> London, England
> Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
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Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[Sylvia Sánchez]

2009/10/14 Helene Bigler

> Dear Support Team:
> I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your open
> office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word /
> Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my
> 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without
> going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access
> it!
> Thus.YOU were recommended to me.
> Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?
> Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I
> don't want to loose anything - I am petrified!
> If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .
> what? Damage my files? Loose info?  
> I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.
> Please advise me.
> Respectfully
> Helene Bigler
> Marysville, WA
> nooffbut...@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>

If you want, you can use opendocument format  (native format of OpenOffice)
and export your documents in pdf format when you want share them with others
who doesn't use OpenOffice.
The last MS Office version acept opendocument formats, anyway.
I export my documents in pdf and have no problem.


Regards
Sylvia



>

RE: [users] Inserting check boxes in Writer

[Ledger Consulting]

>From the "insert" menu select "special character". For the font type select 
>"symbol". You should see lots of checkboxes. I do the same type of lists for 
>work. 

-Original Message-
From: Harold Fuchs [mailto:hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:08 AM
To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [users] Inserting check boxes in Writer

2009/10/17 Johnny Rosenberg 

> 2009/10/16 AG :
> > I am designing a check-list that I will be using as hard-copies.  I would
> > like to have tick boxes next to text, as a means of recording different
> > aspects or parameters (e.g. check all that apply, out of a range of
> > options).
> >
> > Thus far I have attempted this through experimentation with different
> > paragraph and character formatting options, but nothing has worked.  In
> MS
> > Word, it was possible to insert a tab space, highlight that space and
> then
> > frame it using some formatting option (I can't remember which) and an
> empty
> > "box" or "oblong" would result.  I am looking for something similar.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > TIA
>
> Do you need to be able to tick and untick those check boxes directly
> by clicking it? In that case:
> View → Toolbars → Form controls → Select the tick box you want → Draw
> it wherever you want. → Right click it to edit preferences.
>
> Are the check boxes supposed to be ticked after they are printed out?
> Just use those characters:
> ☐ (unticked check box - U+2610)
> ☑ (ticked check box - U+2611)
> ☒ (ticked check box - U+2612)
>
> Should be included in most fonts. I actually have two of these on my
> keyboard (after tweaking my keyboard layout) and I can access them by
> AltGr+x and AltGr+Shift+x respectively (on US keyboards AltGr is the
> right Alt key, I think).
>
> If you can't access these characters, just copy them from this email
> and paste them into your document.☑
>
> If you can't see any check boxes above, you are not using the right
> character encoding (should be UTF-8).
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
>
> >
> > AG
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >
> >
>

Saying "U+2610" is saying that you need to enter the character whose hex
value is 2610. (Sorry if you knew that already). In OpenOffice you can do
this via the Insert>Special Character menu but there are better ways. On
Windows there are several different ways of doing it.

I recommend you look at <
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm>. I use method #1
on my Win XP Pro system. This works in any program, including OpenOffice
Writer, that supports Unicode. The advantage of this, of course, is that
it's the same for all programs; nothing special for Writer.


-- 
Harold Fuchs
London, England
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Re: [users] Inserting check boxes in Writer

[Harold Fuchs]

2009/10/17 Johnny Rosenberg 

> 2009/10/16 AG :
> > I am designing a check-list that I will be using as hard-copies.  I would
> > like to have tick boxes next to text, as a means of recording different
> > aspects or parameters (e.g. check all that apply, out of a range of
> > options).
> >
> > Thus far I have attempted this through experimentation with different
> > paragraph and character formatting options, but nothing has worked.  In
> MS
> > Word, it was possible to insert a tab space, highlight that space and
> then
> > frame it using some formatting option (I can't remember which) and an
> empty
> > "box" or "oblong" would result.  I am looking for something similar.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > TIA
>
> Do you need to be able to tick and untick those check boxes directly
> by clicking it? In that case:
> View → Toolbars → Form controls → Select the tick box you want → Draw
> it wherever you want. → Right click it to edit preferences.
>
> Are the check boxes supposed to be ticked after they are printed out?
> Just use those characters:
> ☐ (unticked check box - U+2610)
> ☑ (ticked check box - U+2611)
> ☒ (ticked check box - U+2612)
>
> Should be included in most fonts. I actually have two of these on my
> keyboard (after tweaking my keyboard layout) and I can access them by
> AltGr+x and AltGr+Shift+x respectively (on US keyboards AltGr is the
> right Alt key, I think).
>
> If you can't access these characters, just copy them from this email
> and paste them into your document.☑
>
> If you can't see any check boxes above, you are not using the right
> character encoding (should be UTF-8).
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
>
> >
> > AG
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >
> >
>

Saying "U+2610" is saying that you need to enter the character whose hex
value is 2610. (Sorry if you knew that already). In OpenOffice you can do
this via the Insert>Special Character menu but there are better ways. On
Windows there are several different ways of doing it.

I recommend you look at <
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm>. I use method #1
on my Win XP Pro system. This works in any program, including OpenOffice
Writer, that supports Unicode. The advantage of this, of course, is that
it's the same for all programs; nothing special for Writer.


-- 
Harold Fuchs
London, England
Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org

Re: [users] Re: Openoffice issues

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2009/10/16 Mark C. Miller :
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:25:24 +0800, zhu xiaodong wrote:
>
>> Hello all;
>>
>> I am a user of openoffice. Now we encounter some issues which need to be
>> fix soon. Could some of you give me some hints for them? Thanks in
>> advance. The issues are :
>> 1 if I open a file from a network share, it opens in read only mode only
>> if I am not the owner.
>> If I copy the file to my desktop and then copy and replace the file on
>> the server, I can now open it without the Ready-Only happening. But that
>> file cannot be opened by someone else without the Read-Only happening.
>> This does not happen with any other program, Word, Adobe products, etc,
>> and files on our server, only Openoffice. I can even take the same file
>> that opens as read-only in OpenOffice and open it in Word or TextEdit
>> and it is fine.
>>
>> 2 if I login unix with the language setting is English(canada) which can
>> input Chinese words, the openoffice is always crashed. Or could not be
>> run. If I use the system default setting for the language
>> setting(English - United States ISO8859-1), there is no problem.
>>
>> Did you enounter these problem? How do you deal with them? Any
>> suggestion are high appreciated.
>> Hope can get you feedback, thanks a lot.
>>
>> PS: our OS is Solaris 10, and the openoffice version is 3.1.0 , and the
>> file server is netapp.
>>
>> Regards
>> Zhu xiaodong
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> This thread just amazes me; a Chinese speaker asks a question in really
> good English and is helped by a Spanish speaker who also expresses
> herself well in English.
>
> Find me a "regular" person in this country who could response in Chinese
> or even Spanish ... we just don't teach our children the important
> stuff.  Too busy playing sports.

And, on top of that, Chinese and Spanish are the two most common
languages in the world (even if you split Chinese into several
languages, as you should, the most common of them is still the most
common language in the world, followed by Spanish)!

There are thousands of languages in the world (I think something like
6000 or so), so even a small language like mine, Swedish, is quite
common compared to most of the languages in the world - we are among
the top 100 languages, I thing somewhere around 80th or 85th or
something). There are a lot of languages to learn… :D

>
> My hats off to everyone.  What a great community!
>
> mcm
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [users] Inserting check boxes in Writer

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2009/10/16 AG :
> I am designing a check-list that I will be using as hard-copies.  I would
> like to have tick boxes next to text, as a means of recording different
> aspects or parameters (e.g. check all that apply, out of a range of
> options).
>
> Thus far I have attempted this through experimentation with different
> paragraph and character formatting options, but nothing has worked.  In MS
> Word, it was possible to insert a tab space, highlight that space and then
> frame it using some formatting option (I can't remember which) and an empty
> "box" or "oblong" would result.  I am looking for something similar.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA

Do you need to be able to tick and untick those check boxes directly
by clicking it? In that case:
View → Toolbars → Form controls → Select the tick box you want → Draw
it wherever you want. → Right click it to edit preferences.

Are the check boxes supposed to be ticked after they are printed out?
Just use those characters:
☐ (unticked check box - U+2610)
☑ (ticked check box - U+2611)
☒ (ticked check box - U+2612)

Should be included in most fonts. I actually have two of these on my
keyboard (after tweaking my keyboard layout) and I can access them by
AltGr+x and AltGr+Shift+x respectively (on US keyboards AltGr is the
right Alt key, I think).

If you can't access these characters, just copy them from this email
and paste them into your document.☑

If you can't see any check boxes above, you are not using the right
character encoding (should be UTF-8).

Johnny Rosenberg

>
> AG
>
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Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2009/10/15 Helene Bigler :
> Dear Support Team:

I just want to explain that we are not a support team. We are users
just like you, with different experience. Some of us asks a lot of
question, some answers most of them and some do both just as much. I
guess that I'm in the last category.

> I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your open 
> office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word / 
> Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my 
> 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without 
> going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access 
> it!
> Thus.YOU were recommended to me.

In most cases a good choice.

> Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?

Yes, but as someone already pointed out, they might not look exactly
right in OpenOffice.org, so they problably need some tweaking. That's
because the MS Office formats are not as open as the ODF fomat (the
format that OpenOffice.org use by default, also known as the
international standard ISO/IEC 26300:2006).

> Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?

I'm not quite sure what you mean there, sorry. ”We” are, as I said,
just users like you. You just download OpenOffice.org, just like you
would download anything else. When done that, you need to install it.
I am not sure how to do that in Windows, since I'm a Linux user, but
it shouldn't be much harder than to just double click the file you
downloaded and follow instructions.
First time you run OpenOffice.org, you will be asked to register. You
can do that IF YOU WANT. You DON'T HAVE TO do that. Just select ”Never
register” or something like that (”Already registered” could be an
option, I think).

>  HELP!  I don't want to loose anything - I am petrified!

You don't need to be that…

> If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .  what? 
> Damage my files? Loose info?  

I can see no reason why you should lose information, unless you erase
it by purpose or get a hardware error (which would have nothing to do
with OpenOffice.org).

You don't need to remove Excel or Word. You can actually run them at
the same time as OpenOffice.org is running.

> I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.

Learning can be stimulating and fun.

> Please advise me.

I hope I just did. :)

> Respectfully
> Helene Bigler

Johnny Rosenberg

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[users] Re: Inserting check boxes in Writer

[AG]

AG wrote:
I am designing a check-list that I will be using as hard-copies.  I 
would like to have tick boxes next to text, as a means of recording 
different aspects or parameters (e.g. check all that apply, out of a 
range of options).


Thus far I have attempted this through experimentation with different 
paragraph and character formatting options, but nothing has worked.  
In MS Word, it was possible to insert a tab space, highlight that 
space and then frame it using some formatting option (I can't remember 
which) and an empty "box" or "oblong" would result.  I am looking for 
something similar.


Any ideas?

TIA

AG


Jomali & Charles

Thanks for your suggestions.  On the basis that neither of you suggested 
the transfer of what I could have done in MS Word, I'll assume that 
doing so is not possible.  Thanks for the idea Charles, but I really 
wanted the check boxes positioned after the text, not before as in your 
bullet-list suggestion.  Yes, it is true that I could use different 
bracket types, but instead decided to construct a number of tables to 
hold the text in a precise position on the page and which gives me the 
relevant "check boxes" required.  Takes more time to set up, but does 
enable me to set alignment and text positioning more precisely.  I'll 
use that as my solution, I think.


Thanks again.

AG

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Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[Harold Fuchs]

2009/10/17 John Jason Jordan 

> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT)
> Helene Bigler  dijo:
>
> > Dear Support Team:
> > I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your
> open office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word
> / Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my
> 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without
> going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access
> it!
> > Thus.YOU were recommended to me.
> > Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?
> > Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I
> don't want to loose anything - I am petrified!
> > If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .
> what? Damage my files? Loose info?  
> > I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.
>
> Helene,
>
> OpenOffice.org is an office package that offers more or less the same
> functionality as Microsoft Office. I say "more or less" because OOo has
> a few features that MS Office lacks, and vice-versa.
>
> Having said that, the buttons are in different places. There will be a
> bit of a learning curve as you figure out how to do things that you did
> in MS Office. Sometimes entire concepts are different. You will need to
> be patient as you learn the OOo way.
>
> OOo can open all MS Office files, so you don't need to convert your old
> files. You can even set up OOo to use the MS Office file format as its
> default instead of its own open, non-proprietary format. However,
> because MS does not make their file formats open, the OOo developers
> have had to reverse engineer the compatibility modules. The result is
> that OOo can open any MS Office file, but occasionally there are some
> slight formatting differences. Expect to have to spend a couple minutes
> reformatting MS Office files when you import them into OOo. The more
> complex the features used in the MS Office file, the more tweaking will
> be required.
>
> The biggest issue that users of OOo have is sharing files with users of
> MS Office. If you send a file to a colleague you'll likely have to send
> it in MS Office format. Because the import/export modules are not 100%
> perfect, your colleague may not see precisely the same formatting as
> you do. Some people find this intolerable, others realize that the
> world is not a perfect place. We're all different and our computing
> needs are different.
>
> You can install OOo and use it alongside MS Office. OOo is free, so you
> have nothing to lose. Just download it, install it, and take it for a
> spin. I can guarantee you one thing: You will never be presented with a
> threat that it will no longer work because its license has expired.
>
> And welcome to the users e-list for OOo. This is the best place to ask
> questions and get help. Literally tens of thousands of users worldwide
> read this list daily. Ask any question and someone will soon pop up
> with an answer.
>
>  Forwarding to unsubscribed OP


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Re: [users] I'm petrified!

[John Jason Jordan]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT)
Helene Bigler  dijo:

> Dear Support Team:
> I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your open 
> office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word / 
> Excel already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my 
> 'license' is no good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without 
> going thru a rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access 
> it!  
> Thus.YOU were recommended to me.  
> Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?  
> Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I don't 
> want to loose anything - I am petrified!  
> If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .  what? 
> Damage my files? Loose info?  
> I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.

Helene,

OpenOffice.org is an office package that offers more or less the same
functionality as Microsoft Office. I say "more or less" because OOo has
a few features that MS Office lacks, and vice-versa.

Having said that, the buttons are in different places. There will be a
bit of a learning curve as you figure out how to do things that you did
in MS Office. Sometimes entire concepts are different. You will need to
be patient as you learn the OOo way.

OOo can open all MS Office files, so you don't need to convert your old
files. You can even set up OOo to use the MS Office file format as its
default instead of its own open, non-proprietary format. However,
because MS does not make their file formats open, the OOo developers
have had to reverse engineer the compatibility modules. The result is
that OOo can open any MS Office file, but occasionally there are some
slight formatting differences. Expect to have to spend a couple minutes
reformatting MS Office files when you import them into OOo. The more
complex the features used in the MS Office file, the more tweaking will
be required.

The biggest issue that users of OOo have is sharing files with users of
MS Office. If you send a file to a colleague you'll likely have to send
it in MS Office format. Because the import/export modules are not 100%
perfect, your colleague may not see precisely the same formatting as
you do. Some people find this intolerable, others realize that the
world is not a perfect place. We're all different and our computing
needs are different. 

You can install OOo and use it alongside MS Office. OOo is free, so you
have nothing to lose. Just download it, install it, and take it for a
spin. I can guarantee you one thing: You will never be presented with a
threat that it will no longer work because its license has expired.

And welcome to the users e-list for OOo. This is the best place to ask
questions and get help. Literally tens of thousands of users worldwide
read this list daily. Ask any question and someone will soon pop up
with an answer.
-- 


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[users] I'm petrified!

[Helene Bigler]

Dear Support Team:
I am absolutely petrified to change from Word / Excel on Vista to your open 
office.  However, even though I purchased my computer with Windows Word / Excel 
already installed about a year ago, it seems it has decided my 'license' is no 
good and unless I spend some $300 + I can't use it without going thru a 
rigmarole of tabs, pop-ups and other assorted garbage to access it!  
Thus.YOU were recommended to me.  
Can I keep all the files I already have on this now non-licensed Word?  
Will downloading you simply 'transfer' my information to you?  HELP!  I don't 
want to loose anything - I am petrified!  
If I go into remove files to remove Windows Word/Excel will I do. . .  what? 
Damage my files? Loose info?  
I can type, but I am not totally literate in computereze.
Please advise me.
Respectfully
Helene Bigler
Marysville, WA
nooffbut...@yahoo.com