Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[jonathon]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 05:42, michael considine  wrote:
> Stop sending me these useless emails and go and get a real life what is wrong 
> with you

You  voluntarily subscribed t o the list.
If  you don't like the list subject matter, then you can voluntarily
unsubscribe from the list.

Doing so is very easy.

#  From the headers of _every_ message posted to the list:

list-help: 
list-unsubscribe: 
list-post: 

# Quoting the last ten lines of the message you sent:

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The ninth last line tells you how to unsubscribe from the list. That
line was in the  message you  responded to. The presence of that line
indicates that you have not bothered to follow the directions to
unsubscribe from this list.

> if you send any more I will report you STRANGE weirdo to the Federal Police

I'm curious, what you would  report the list for?
* Your inability to read the messages you are receiving;
* Your inability to follow  the instructions that are listed  _twice_
in t he message you responded to, and  twice in virtually every
message posted to the list;

> YOU are one sick individual

The messages are sent by a list. A group of individuals that
voluntarily and freely  subscribed to the list, just like you
voluntarily and freely subscribed to the list.

>I have told you already that I want unsubscribe what part do you not 
>understand weirdo!!

Did you follow the instructions on unsubscribing?

Or did you blissfully decide to tell the world that not only are you
functionally illiterate, but also incapable  of following
instructions.

jonathon

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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[tales]

- Original Message - 
From: "tales" 

[...]
When I want to send a personal email in response to one where the receiver
is already in the To: box, I click on Reply All.

Doing this to a message from the list got a message-form from myself
with *two* entries for users@openoffice.org in the To: box.
[...]


I've received two copies of my own follow-up message - and I *know* that
when I sent it, there was only one users@openoffice.org in the
To: box.

Cecilia


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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[tales]

From: "Julio Sotolongo"

I also have gotten multiple messages from Steven, but now multiple
messages have appeared from other users as well.
[...]
Has anyone else seen this? Perhaps more than just the actions of one
person, maybe a brief glitch.



I am new to this list (subscribed yesterday) but have been seeing (yesterday 
evening) multiple messages from more than one, or even two, people.


When I want to send a personal email in response to one where the receiver
is already in the To: box, I click on Reply All.

Doing this to a message from the list got a message-form from myself
with *two* entries for users@openoffice.org in the To: box.

I.e. it would not have taken much for me to have sent two messages to the
list.

I use Outlook Express 6 on Windows XP.

Cecilia


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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Chew Yoke Lim]

Hello Steven,

On Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:33:25 AM, you wrote:

>> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
>> >> Steven,
>> >>
>> >> I think I am starting to see a pattern here..  This address is sending 
>> >> three and more copies of the messages to the list..  That sounds like a 
>> >> good reason to block it from sending to the list..  Back in Fido that 
>> >> would get your echo mail cut off till you proved the problem was fixed..
>> > 
>> > Hello Andy
>> > Are you saying that this address is sending 3-4 copies of messages to the 
>> > list:listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net ?
>> 
>> The message I replied to was one of three that came in here.  Those were 
>> the first that I can remember but most of the time I just delete the "I 
>> can not unsubscribe" messages.

> I still don't completely understand if  you are saying that you have been
> getting 3-4 copies of messages from one or both of the addresses that I have
> subscribed to this list:
> st...@afolkey2.net
> listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net

> Steven P. Ulrick

I am usually just content to read and learn from the tremendous body
of collective knowledge in this List.

However, to put your mind at rest, I, for one, have only received
only ONE copy of each of your e-mail from your "lists..." e-mail address.

There are other "cannot unsubscribe" type of e-mail from other people,
which may lead some who do not have the time to read such e-mail to
mistakenly think that you have somehow sent several copies to the
List.

Hope this helps.

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Fw: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[michael considine]

- Forwarded Message 
From: michael considine 
To: users@openoffice.org
Sent: Sunday, 30 August, 2009 10:42:25 PM
Subject: Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

Stop sending me these useless emails and go and get a real life what is wrong 
with you if you send any more I will report you STRANGE weirdo to the Federal 
Police get a real life. I Spam every one that you send me anyway YOU are one 
sick individual I have told you already that I want unsubscribe what part do 
you not understand 
weirdo
..


- Original Message 
From: Steven P. Ulrick 
To: users@openoffice.org
Sent: Sunday, 30 August, 2009 5:06:32 PM
Subject: Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> >> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> >> The message I replied to was one of three that came in here.  Those were 
> >> the first that I can remember but most of the time I just delete the "I 
> >> can not unsubscribe" messages.
> > 
> > I still don't completely understand if  you are saying that you have been 
> > getting 3-4 copies of messages from one or both of the addresses that I 
> > have 
> > subscribed to this list:
> 
> > listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net
> 
> > If you have only one address subscribed to this list, and you are receiving 
> > multiple copies of messages from me, I honestly want to know.  It still 
seems 
> > strange to me that I only get one copy per subscribed address of each 
message 
> > that I receive from the list.  Also, is anyone else out there SPECIFICALLY 
> > getting multiple copies of messages sent from ME?  If you are, am I the 
> > only 
> > person you get multiple copies because of, or do you get multiple copies 
from 
> > other people as well?
> 
> As you quoted above, I have only seen this happen one time.  All the 
> messages come from the same address "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net". 
> But then I have only been on the list for about four months.  There have 
> been no more since those.
> 
> I am going to forward as attachment copies of the three messages and let 
> you see them yourself.

Received.  Thank you very much.  You seem to have gotten the first one right 
away 
when I sent it.  The next one seems to have been sent to you about ten minutes 
later, and the third one five minutes or so after that.  Before I started this 
reply I saw in at LEAST one thread six duplicate messages.  In another I have 
seen five.  This does not prove that there is no problem with my mail server.  
But this at least opens up the possibility that there might be other 
explanations...

Steven P. Ulrick

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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[michael considine]

Stop sending me these useless emails and go and get a real life what is wrong 
with you if you send any more I will report you STRANGE weirdo to the Federal 
Police get a real life. I Spam every one that you send me anyway YOU are one 
sick individual I have told you already that I want unsubscribe what part do 
you not understand 
weirdo
..


- Original Message 
From: Steven P. Ulrick 
To: users@openoffice.org
Sent: Sunday, 30 August, 2009 5:06:32 PM
Subject: Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> >> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> >> The message I replied to was one of three that came in here.  Those were 
> >> the first that I can remember but most of the time I just delete the "I 
> >> can not unsubscribe" messages.
> > 
> > I still don't completely understand if  you are saying that you have been 
> > getting 3-4 copies of messages from one or both of the addresses that I 
> > have 
> > subscribed to this list:
> 
> > listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net
> 
> > If you have only one address subscribed to this list, and you are receiving 
> > multiple copies of messages from me, I honestly want to know.  It still 
seems 
> > strange to me that I only get one copy per subscribed address of each 
message 
> > that I receive from the list.  Also, is anyone else out there SPECIFICALLY 
> > getting multiple copies of messages sent from ME?  If you are, am I the 
> > only 
> > person you get multiple copies because of, or do you get multiple copies 
from 
> > other people as well?
> 
> As you quoted above, I have only seen this happen one time.  All the 
> messages come from the same address "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net". 
> But then I have only been on the list for about four months.  There have 
> been no more since those.
> 
> I am going to forward as attachment copies of the three messages and let 
> you see them yourself.

Received.  Thank you very much.  You seem to have gotten the first one right 
away 
when I sent it.  The next one seems to have been sent to you about ten minutes 
later, and the third one five minutes or so after that.  Before I started this 
reply I saw in at LEAST one thread six duplicate messages.  In another I have 
seen five.  This does not prove that there is no problem with my mail server.  
But this at least opens up the possibility that there might be other 
explanations...

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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Steven P. Ulrick]

> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> >> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> >> The message I replied to was one of three that came in here.  Those were 
> >> the first that I can remember but most of the time I just delete the "I 
> >> can not unsubscribe" messages.
> > 
> > I still don't completely understand if  you are saying that you have been 
> > getting 3-4 copies of messages from one or both of the addresses that I 
> > have 
> > subscribed to this list:
> 
> > listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net
> 
> > If you have only one address subscribed to this list, and you are receiving 
> > multiple copies of messages from me, I honestly want to know.  It still 
seems 
> > strange to me that I only get one copy per subscribed address of each 
message 
> > that I receive from the list.  Also, is anyone else out there SPECIFICALLY 
> > getting multiple copies of messages sent from ME?  If you are, am I the 
> > only 
> > person you get multiple copies because of, or do you get multiple copies 
from 
> > other people as well?
> 
> As you quoted above, I have only seen this happen one time.  All the 
> messages come from the same address "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net". 
> But then I have only been on the list for about four months.  There have 
> been no more since those.
> 
> I am going to forward as attachment copies of the three messages and let 
> you see them yourself.

Received.  Thank you very much.  You seem to have gotten the first one right 
away 
when I sent it.  The next one seems to have been sent to you about ten minutes 
later, and the third one five minutes or so after that.  Before I started this 
reply I saw in at LEAST one thread six duplicate messages.  In another I have 
seen five.  This does not prove that there is no problem with my mail server.  
But this at least opens up the possibility that there might be other 
explanations...

Steven P. Ulrick

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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Steven P. Ulrick]

> Greetings,
> 
> I also have gotten multiple messages from Steven, but now multiple 
> messages have appeared from other users as well.
> 
> Two copies of Character color in WP documents from John Jason Jordon. 
> These show different times 1:50 PM and 2:03 PM on August 30.
> 
> Then at 5:10 PM seven copies from Harold Fuchs with subject: Open Office 
> query.
> 
> Then 5:28 PM five messages from John Gregson with subject: Base column 
> Width.
> 
> Next at 5:42 PM five messages from Harold Fuchs with subject: Not 
> possible to unsubscribe me.
> 
> Followed by three copies from Barbara Duprey with the subject: users 
> Digest 29... all delivered at 5:54 PM.
> 
> Also at 5:54 PM from Brian Barker three copies of Base import from Works.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this? Perhaps more than just the actions of one 
> person, maybe a brief glitch.
> 
> Julio

Hello Julio
I know that this list does go through short periods where for reasons unknown 
some/all of us receive multiple copies of some/all messages.  Ironically, it's 
hard for me to tell if I am getting more messages than I should, because I have 
two subscriptions to this list, one of which I am TRYING to unsubscribe.  
Earlier I thought of an experiment, and I tried to unsubscribe from my only 
other users@openoffice.org subscription.  Guess what?  I am not at this time 
able 
to unsubscribe from that one either!  Translation: I sent a blank message from 
the desired account to the appropriate address, and I am still waiting on the 
confirmation email...

Which I suspect isn't going to be coming.  As an experiment, I tried to 
subscribe my Hotmail account to this list.  The result?  Almost immediate 
confirmation email from the appropriate address.  As soon as I was sure that I 
was subscribed, I attempted to unsubscribe.  The result?  Again, an almost 
immedate confirmation email, that I duly responded to.  A little bit after 
that, 
I got a message telling me officially that I was unsubscribed!

This is really interesting: my messages have been arriving almost immediately 
to 
this list.  So from that angle, I seem to be good to go.  But when I try to 
send 
an unsubscribe request, nothing...  No delivery failure notification, nothing.

Steven P. Ulrick

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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Andy]

Julio Sotolongo wrote:

Greetings,

I also have gotten multiple messages from Steven, but now multiple 
messages have appeared from other users as well.


Two copies of Character color in WP documents from John Jason Jordon. 
These show different times 1:50 PM and 2:03 PM on August 30.


Then at 5:10 PM seven copies from Harold Fuchs with subject: Open Office 
query.


Then 5:28 PM five messages from John Gregson with subject: Base column 
Width.


Next at 5:42 PM five messages from Harold Fuchs with subject: Not 
possible to unsubscribe me.


Followed by three copies from Barbara Duprey with the subject: users 
Digest 29... all delivered at 5:54 PM.


Also at 5:54 PM from Brian Barker three copies of Base import from Works.

Has anyone else seen this? Perhaps more than just the actions of one 
person, maybe a brief glitch.




Julio,

I was starting to think my mail server was causing the glitch.  Seem to 
be coming from somewhere up stream.


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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Julio Sotolongo]

Greetings,

I also have gotten multiple messages from Steven, but now multiple 
messages have appeared from other users as well.


Two copies of Character color in WP documents from John Jason Jordon. 
These show different times 1:50 PM and 2:03 PM on August 30.


Then at 5:10 PM seven copies from Harold Fuchs with subject: Open Office 
query.


Then 5:28 PM five messages from John Gregson with subject: Base column 
Width.


Next at 5:42 PM five messages from Harold Fuchs with subject: Not 
possible to unsubscribe me.


Followed by three copies from Barbara Duprey with the subject: users 
Digest 29... all delivered at 5:54 PM.


Also at 5:54 PM from Brian Barker three copies of Base import from Works.

Has anyone else seen this? Perhaps more than just the actions of one 
person, maybe a brief glitch.


   Julio


Andy wrote:

Steven,

I think I am starting to see a pattern here..  This address is sending 
three and more copies of the messages to the list..  That sounds like 
a good reason to block it from sending to the list..  Back in Fido 
that would get your echo mail cut off till you proved the problem was 
fixed..


Steven P. Ulrick wrote:

Hello Everyone
I must start by saying that I do want to be subscribed to this 
list.  This message is only about my attempts at unsubscribing one 
particular address.

Here we go:

I run Fedora Linux on my computer, and I wanted to subscribe to 
users@openoffice.org from an alias that is delivered to a real user 
account. The alias is "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" and it is 
delivered to the user account "steve"


I have just checked my "/etc/aliases" file to make sure that 
"listsopenofficeorg" is still delivered to "steve" and I found the 
following:

lists-openofficeorg:steve
That is backed up by the fact that for the first time in a long 
time, I actually saw a message sent from 
"listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" arrive on this list.


users@openoffice.org accepted my subscription request from the 
"listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" address. For a while (I don't know 
how long,) everything worked fine. I received all the email from this 
list, and I was able to send messages to the list.
I have continued to receive messages from this list, but at some 
point my messages sent from my "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" 
address ceased arriving on the list. In other words, I was RECEIVING 
mail from users@openoffice.org but I could not SEND mail...
So I signed up for this list under the address 
st...@afolkey2.net. This has worked perfectly for sending and receiving.
Then I tried to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net. 
Guess what? I NEVER received a confirmation to reply to. So, my 
address was "subscribed" enough to continue to receive messages from 
the list, but not "subscribed" enough to get an email through TO the 
correct address to get unsubscribed. Not the end of the world, mind 
you, but it is annoying.
But tonight I sent a message to users@openoffice.org as as test 
FROM listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net. It ARRIVED! Before I started 
this message, I attempted to unsubscribe 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net again. I'm going to check right now 
and see if I got a confirmation yet... Well, nothing yet :(
In closing, despite what some people on the list in question 
might think, it does appear to be possible to:

 1. Subscribe to the list.
 2. Receive mail from the list.
 3. But not be able to send mail TO the list.
 4. And also not be able to send a unsubscribe request TO users-
unsubscr...@openoffice.org
 
Hopefully I'll be able to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net 
from this list real soon, and just have one address subscribed to 
this list...
 


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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Andy]

Steven P. Ulrick wrote:

Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
The message I replied to was one of three that came in here.  Those were 
the first that I can remember but most of the time I just delete the "I 
can not unsubscribe" messages.


I still don't completely understand if  you are saying that you have been 
getting 3-4 copies of messages from one or both of the addresses that I have 
subscribed to this list:



listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net


If you have only one address subscribed to this list, and you are receiving 
multiple copies of messages from me, I honestly want to know.  It still seems 
strange to me that I only get one copy per subscribed address of each message 
that I receive from the list.  Also, is anyone else out there SPECIFICALLY 
getting multiple copies of messages sent from ME?  If you are, am I the only 
person you get multiple copies because of, or do you get multiple copies from 
other people as well?


As you quoted above, I have only seen this happen one time.  All the 
messages come from the same address "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net". 
But then I have only been on the list for about four months.  There have 
been no more since those.


I am going to forward as attachment copies of the three messages and let 
you see them yourself.


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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Steven P. Ulrick]

> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> >> Steven,
> >>
> >> I think I am starting to see a pattern here..  This address is sending 
> >> three and more copies of the messages to the list..  That sounds like a 
> >> good reason to block it from sending to the list..  Back in Fido that 
> >> would get your echo mail cut off till you proved the problem was fixed..
> > 
> > Hello Andy
> > Are you saying that this address is sending 3-4 copies of messages to the 
> > list:listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net ?
> 
> The message I replied to was one of three that came in here.  Those were 
> the first that I can remember but most of the time I just delete the "I 
> can not unsubscribe" messages.

I still don't completely understand if  you are saying that you have been 
getting 3-4 copies of messages from one or both of the addresses that I have 
subscribed to this list:
st...@afolkey2.net
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net

If you have only one address subscribed to this list, and you are receiving 
multiple copies of messages from me, I honestly want to know.  It still seems 
strange to me that I only get one copy per subscribed address of each message 
that I receive from the list.  Also, is anyone else out there SPECIFICALLY 
getting multiple copies of messages sent from ME?  If you are, am I the only 
person you get multiple copies because of, or do you get multiple copies from 
other people as well?

Well, since I continue to be able to successfully send email from 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net to this list (which I HAVE NOT been able to do 
for 
quite a while,) the question still remains, "How come I can send messages FROM 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net TO this list, receive messages FROM this list 
TO 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net BUT I can't even get a confirmation email to 
reply 
to so that I can unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net?  If I was 
convinced 
that  listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net would continue to work with this mailing 
list, I would just keep it subscribed, and unsubscribe my other address.

Like I said in an earlier message on this thread, as experiments, I have 
successfully subscribed AND unsubscribed various email addresses to this list.  
The instructions on how to unsubscribe are very clear in my opinion, and I know 
that they work, and how they work, because I have (with other addresses) been 
through the following process successfully:
1. From the account I want to unsubscribe, send a blank message to: 
unsubscr...@openoffice.org
2. When I receive (usually very quickly) the confirmation email, AGAIN FROM THE 
ACCOUNT THAT I WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM, click "Reply" and "Send"
3. Then I receive a message telling me that I'm unsubscribed.

For the address that I am trying to unsubscribe (which is currently functional 
as far as sending and receiving from this list is concerned) I have completed 
Step 1.  More than 24 hours later,  I am still waiting for the confirmation 
email...  Oh well, at least I know that I have followed the process :)

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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Andy]

Steven P. Ulrick wrote:

Steven,

I think I am starting to see a pattern here..  This address is sending 
three and more copies of the messages to the list..  That sounds like a 
good reason to block it from sending to the list..  Back in Fido that 
would get your echo mail cut off till you proved the problem was fixed..


Hello Andy
Are you saying that this address is sending 3-4 copies of messages to the 
list:listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net ?


The message I replied to was one of three that came in here.  Those were 
the first that I can remember but most of the time I just delete the "I 
can not unsubscribe" messages.




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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Steven P. Ulrick]

> Steven,
> 
> I think I am starting to see a pattern here..  This address is sending 
> three and more copies of the messages to the list..  That sounds like a 
> good reason to block it from sending to the list..  Back in Fido that 
> would get your echo mail cut off till you proved the problem was fixed..

Hello Andy
Are you saying that this address is sending 3-4 copies of messages to the 
list:listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net ?

If that is so, for how long has this been going on?  I know that I have not 
used 
that address to send mail to this list for quite a while.  I figured that since 
my messages from that address were not arriving at the list, I would stop using 
that address.

The first successful emails that I have sent to this list in a LONG time (from 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net) were sent last night.  I know that I only 
received two copies of each message, since I receive a copy for 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net & st...@afolkey2.net.  The reason for that is 
that 
I have not been able to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net from this 
list.  So last night I only got two copies of my messages from 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net.  Are you seeing different behavior?
(Actually, since I  have not been able to unsubscribe 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net I have been getting two copies of every message 
that I receive from this list.  "As far as I know", I have not received 3-4 
copies of my messages or anyone elses message from this list.  That takes into 
account last night, which is the first time in a long time that I started using 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net again, and the entire time before that when I 
was 
not using that address.)

Last night when I started using the address that I have been trying to 
unsubscribe for a long time, my messages (again, from 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net") were arriving at this list really fast.  So I 
am 
going to send this message from "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net"  If it looks 
like it is not going to arrive, I am going to send it from st...@afolkey2.net

One more thing that will be really interesting/annoying, especially if the copy 
of this message that I'm going to send from listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net 
arrives at this list: like I said, last night listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net 
started working on this list again.  So I immediately tried to unsubscribe 
again.  It has been almost twelve hours since I sent the request to 
unsubscribe, 
and I still have not received a response.  Here is the full header from that 
message (there is no body or subject line:)

From: "Steven P. Ulrick" 
 To: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:40:42 -0500
 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.0 (Linux/2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64; KDE/4.3.0; 
x86_64; ; )
 X-KMail-Transport: Sendmail
 X-KMail-QuotePrefix: >
 X-KMail-Identity: 1375388204
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: Text/Plain;
   charset="us-ascii"
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 Message-Id: <200908291940.42480.listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net>
 Status: RO
 X-Status: RS
 X-KMail-EncryptionState: 
 X-KMail-SignatureState: 
 X-KMail-MDN-Sent: 

I fully agree that the behavior that you described in your original response to 
my earlier email would deserve the rejection of my emails until I fixed any 
problems that there may be on my end.  During the time I have been trying to 
unsubscribe this certain address,  I have been able (as an experiment) to 
subscribe and unsubscribe some (admittedly not all) other *...@afolkey2.net 
addresses with no problem.  It strikes me as odd that I am having this problem 
with this particular address, especially since I use email aliases just like 
this on at least the following lists with no problems, no duplicate messages or 
anything like that:
Fedora Linux
KDE (Users List)
KDE (Devel List)
The Sword Project

Enough for now :)

I do appreciate any help that I can get in getting this particular address 
unsubscribed.  Of course I will continue to get the list from the (only) other 
address that I do have subscribed.

Steven P. Ulrick

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Re: [users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Andy]

Steven,

I think I am starting to see a pattern here..  This address is sending 
three and more copies of the messages to the list..  That sounds like a 
good reason to block it from sending to the list..  Back in Fido that 
would get your echo mail cut off till you proved the problem was fixed..


Steven P. Ulrick wrote:

Hello Everyone
	I must start by saying that I do want to be subscribed to this list.  This 
message is only about my attempts at unsubscribing one particular address.

Here we go:

	I run Fedora Linux on my computer, and I wanted to subscribe to 
users@openoffice.org from an alias that is delivered to a real user account. The 
alias is "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" and it is delivered to the user account 
"steve"


	I have just checked my "/etc/aliases" file to make sure that "listsopenofficeorg" 
is still delivered to "steve" and I found the following:

lists-openofficeorg:steve
	That is backed up by the fact that for the first time in a long time, I actually 
saw a message sent from "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" arrive on this list.


	users@openoffice.org accepted my subscription request from the 
"listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" address. For a while (I don't know how long,) 
everything worked fine. I received all the email from this list, and I was able 
to send messages to the list.
	I have continued to receive messages from this list, but at some point my 
messages sent from my "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" address ceased arriving on 
the list. In other words, I was RECEIVING mail from users@openoffice.org but I 
could not SEND mail...
	So I signed up for this list under the address st...@afolkey2.net. This has 
worked perfectly for sending and receiving.
	Then I tried to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net. Guess what? I NEVER 
received a confirmation to reply to. So, my address was "subscribed" enough to 
continue to receive messages from the list, but not "subscribed" enough to get 
an email through TO the correct address to get unsubscribed. Not the end of the 
world, mind you, but it is annoying.
	But tonight I sent a message to users@openoffice.org as as test FROM 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net. It ARRIVED! Before I started this message, I 
attempted to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net again. I'm going to check 
right now and see if I got a confirmation yet... Well, nothing yet :(
	In closing, despite what some people on the list in question might think, it 
does appear to be possible to:

 1. Subscribe to the list.
 2. Receive mail from the list.
 3. But not be able to send mail TO the list.
 4. And also not be able to send a unsubscribe request TO users-
unsubscr...@openoffice.org
 
Hopefully I'll be able to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net from this 
list real soon, and just have one address subscribed to this list...
 


Steven P. Ulrick

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--
Andy Brown
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[users] Another wrinkle on the subject of "Unsubscribing"

[Steven P. Ulrick]

Hello Everyone
I must start by saying that I do want to be subscribed to this list.  
This 
message is only about my attempts at unsubscribing one particular address.
Here we go:

I run Fedora Linux on my computer, and I wanted to subscribe to 
users@openoffice.org from an alias that is delivered to a real user account. 
The 
alias is "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" and it is delivered to the user 
account 
"steve"

I have just checked my "/etc/aliases" file to make sure that 
"listsopenofficeorg" 
is still delivered to "steve" and I found the following:
lists-openofficeorg:steve
That is backed up by the fact that for the first time in a long time, I 
actually 
saw a message sent from "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" arrive on this list.

users@openoffice.org accepted my subscription request from the 
"listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" address. For a while (I don't know how long,) 
everything worked fine. I received all the email from this list, and I was able 
to send messages to the list.
I have continued to receive messages from this list, but at some point 
my 
messages sent from my "listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net" address ceased arriving 
on 
the list. In other words, I was RECEIVING mail from users@openoffice.org but I 
could not SEND mail...
So I signed up for this list under the address st...@afolkey2.net. This 
has 
worked perfectly for sending and receiving.
Then I tried to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net. Guess 
what? I NEVER 
received a confirmation to reply to. So, my address was "subscribed" enough to 
continue to receive messages from the list, but not "subscribed" enough to get 
an email through TO the correct address to get unsubscribed. Not the end of the 
world, mind you, but it is annoying.
But tonight I sent a message to users@openoffice.org as as test FROM 
listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net. It ARRIVED! Before I started this message, I 
attempted to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net again. I'm going to 
check 
right now and see if I got a confirmation yet... Well, nothing yet :(
In closing, despite what some people on the list in question might 
think, it 
does appear to be possible to:
 1. Subscribe to the list.
 2. Receive mail from the list.
 3. But not be able to send mail TO the list.
 4. And also not be able to send a unsubscribe request TO users-
unsubscr...@openoffice.org
 
Hopefully I'll be able to unsubscribe listsopenoffice...@afolkey2.net from this 
list real soon, and just have one address subscribed to this list...
 

Steven P. Ulrick

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