Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
On 11/13/20 1:56 AM, c...@brain-biotech.de wrote: I know about the autoconfig of mail servers etc. But how do set preferences in this way? You don't, today. I'm just wondering aloud why the plugin couldn't take information like the SOGo URL from autoconfig data, rather than requiring a URL hard-coded in the plugin. If the information came from autoconfig, it should be possible to distribute a generic extension, and completely eliminate the need for customization and a site-specific update server. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
Am 13.11.20 um 02:37 schrieb Gordon Messmer (gordon.mess...@gmail.com): On 11/12/20 5:59 AM, Lukas Wringer" (lukas.wrin...@rz.uni-augsburg.de) wrote: Am 12.11.20 um 06:08 schrieb Gordon Messmer (gordon.mess...@gmail.com): I never understood why those settings had to be in the extension and not in an autoconfig file, for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration/FileFormat/HowTo Because not everyone has a autoconfig server at their disposal It can be a static XML file. If you have a web server to run SOGo, you can definitely also host an XML file. I know about the autoconfig of mail servers etc. But how do set preferences in this way? Regards Christian -- Dr. Christian Naumer Unit Head Bioprocess Development B.R.A.I.N Aktiengesellschaft Darmstaedter Str. 34-36, D-64673 Zwingenberg e-mail c...@brain-biotech.com, homepage www.brain-biotech.com fon +49-6251-9331-30 / fax +49-6251-9331-11 Subscribe to BRAIN's Newsletter: http://www.brain-biotech.com/de/newsletter Sitz der Gesellschaft: Zwingenberg/Bergstrasse Registergericht AG Darmstadt, HRB 24758 Vorstand: Adriaan Moelker (Vorstandsvorsitzender), Lukas Linnig Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dr. Georg Kellinghusen -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
On 11/12/20 5:59 AM, Lukas Wringer" (lukas.wrin...@rz.uni-augsburg.de) wrote: Am 12.11.20 um 06:08 schrieb Gordon Messmer (gordon.mess...@gmail.com): I never understood why those settings had to be in the extension and not in an autoconfig file, for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration/FileFormat/HowTo Because not everyone has a autoconfig server at their disposal It can be a static XML file. If you have a web server to run SOGo, you can definitely also host an XML file. and you have to manage SRV-Records for any maildomain and stuff... Thunderbird autoconfig does not require any SRV records. All that it requires is a web server with a static XML file, available at either https://autoconfig. or at https:// -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
Hello Lukas, > The new policy engine via policies.json (or via GPO, or Apple MDM) on > the other hand would be nice - and would work for everyone and you can > lock the settings this way. > > So you could build one plugin that works for everyone enterprise and end > users. Where is described how to build a extension which use user preferences / GPOs? Did I miss anything? Regards -- *CaC, Computer and Communication* Inhaber Stefan Klatt End-2-End Senior Security Consultant CISSP / CEH / CISM / ISO27001 Lead Implementer / TOGAF9 / VdS-anerkannter Berater für Cyber-Security Badges: https://www.youracclaim.com/users/stefan-klatt Triftstrasse 9 60528 Frankfurt Germany USt-IdNr.: DE260461592 Tel.: +49-(0)172-6807809 Tel.: +49-(0)69-67808-900 Fax: +49-(0)69-67808-837 Email: stefan.kl...@cac-netzwerk.de Profil: http://www.cac-netzwerk.de/profil 0xF8091E0A0E143EBE.asc Description: application/pgp-keys smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
Hello Adi, >> You certainly don't want your users starting to toy around that value >> from the Thunderbird's GUI - it'll mess everything. > I second that. We do heavily use the possibility to preconfigure > settings for SOGo Connector for our users. A generic connector that > requires user configuration is prone to errors and thus a lot of support > overhead. > Except for the last two major Thunderbird releases where connector > wasn't ready for quite some time, the plugin upgrade always went smooth > and saved us a lot of trouble the way it is. > I think this one situation with a lot of external user with own devices with own rights and responsibility (!) to change configurations. But what about probably 1000 or more users with central administrated Windows PCs? Often you have even just only 10 PCs configured on this way. There you have _one_ central - mostly Active Directory with GPOs - configuration. There is often not enough manpower to administrate X parallel existing configurations (AD, Addon configuration, .) and a user has no rights to change a configuration. Regards Stefan -- *CaC, Computer and Communication* Inhaber Stefan Klatt End-2-End Senior Security Consultant CISSP / CEH / CISM / ISO27001 Lead Implementer / TOGAF9 / VdS-anerkannter Berater für Cyber-Security Badges: https://www.youracclaim.com/users/stefan-klatt Triftstrasse 9 60528 Frankfurt Germany USt-IdNr.: DE260461592 Tel.: +49-(0)172-6807809 Tel.: +49-(0)69-67808-900 Fax: +49-(0)69-67808-837 Email: stefan.kl...@cac-netzwerk.de Profil: http://www.cac-netzwerk.de/profil 0xF8091E0A0E143EBE.asc Description: application/pgp-keys smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
Hello Ludovic, Am 11.11.2020 um 22:42 schrieb Ludovic Marcotte (lmarco...@inverse.ca): > On 2020-11-11 3:33 p.m., Stefan Klatt (stefan.kl...@cac-netzwerk.de) > wrote: > >> what's the reason to use an addon with static preferences which need >> to be compiled and not a thunderbird configuration variable? > Note that it *is* a configuration variable. It's just not exposed in > the GUI as a user-preference. It's a variable to build the extension, not more. > > The SOGo Connector is not meant to be installed by the average Joe > user, it's meant to be prepared by the SOGo administrator and pushed > to all Thunderbird instances using the SOGo Update Server or any other > software deployment solution used for automation. > > You certainly don't want your users starting to toy around that value > from the Thunderbird's GUI - it'll mess everything. > This make it impossible to deploy this extension on a easy way. And if you have a problem with users playing with addons you can disable the installing of addons with GPOs or configuration options. On the same way you could configure e.g. a Sogo server if there would be a user-preference configuration variable. At the moment a change is a really big work. Regards Stefan -- *CaC, Computer and Communication* Inhaber Stefan Klatt End-2-End Senior Security Consultant CISSP / CEH / CISM / ISO27001 Lead Implementer / TOGAF9 / VdS-anerkannter Berater für Cyber-Security Badges: https://www.youracclaim.com/users/stefan-klatt Triftstrasse 9 60528 Frankfurt Germany USt-IdNr.: DE260461592 Tel.: +49-(0)172-6807809 Tel.: +49-(0)69-67808-900 Fax: +49-(0)69-67808-837 Email: stefan.kl...@cac-netzwerk.de Profil: http://www.cac-netzwerk.de/profil 0xF8091E0A0E143EBE.asc Description: application/pgp-keys smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
Hi, Am 12.11.20 um 06:08 schrieb Gordon Messmer (gordon.mess...@gmail.com): > On 11/11/20 1:42 PM, Ludovic Marcotte" (lmarco...@inverse.ca) wrote: >> You certainly don't want your users starting to toy around that value >> from the Thunderbird's GUI - it'll mess everything. > > > I never understood why those settings had to be in the extension and not > in an autoconfig file, for example: > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration/FileFormat/HowTo > > > Because not everyone has a autoconfig server at their disposal and you have to manage SRV-Records for any maildomain and stuff... The new policy engine via policies.json (or via GPO, or Apple MDM) on the other hand would be nice - and would work for everyone and you can lock the settings this way. So you could build one plugin that works for everyone enterprise and end users. Greetings Lukas Wringer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
On 11/11/20 1:42 PM, Ludovic Marcotte" (lmarco...@inverse.ca) wrote: You certainly don't want your users starting to toy around that value from the Thunderbird's GUI - it'll mess everything. I never understood why those settings had to be in the extension and not in an autoconfig file, for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration/FileFormat/HowTo -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
Dear Ludovic, On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:42:18 PM CET Ludovic Marcotte wrote: > On 2020-11-11 3:33 p.m., Stefan Klatt (stefan.kl...@cac-netzwerk.de) wrote: > > what's the reason to use an addon with static preferences which need > > to be compiled and not a thunderbird configuration variable? > > Note that it *is* a configuration variable. It's just not exposed in the > GUI as a user-preference. [...] > You certainly don't want your users starting to toy around that value > from the Thunderbird's GUI - it'll mess everything. I second that. We do heavily use the possibility to preconfigure settings for SOGo Connector for our users. A generic connector that requires user configuration is prone to errors and thus a lot of support overhead. Except for the last two major Thunderbird releases where connector wasn't ready for quite some time, the plugin upgrade always went smooth and saved us a lot of trouble the way it is. best regards, Adi -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
On 2020-11-11 3:33 p.m., Stefan Klatt (stefan.kl...@cac-netzwerk.de) wrote: what's the reason to use an addon with static preferences which need to be compiled and not a thunderbird configuration variable? Note that it *is* a configuration variable. It's just not exposed in the GUI as a user-preference. The SOGo Connector is not meant to be installed by the average Joe user, it's meant to be prepared by the SOGo administrator and pushed to all Thunderbird instances using the SOGo Update Server or any other software deployment solution used for automation. You certainly don't want your users starting to toy around that value from the Thunderbird's GUI - it'll mess everything. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: https://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (https://sogo.nu), PacketFence (https://packetfence.org) and Fingerbank (https://fingerbank.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird Addon
Second this. Il Mer 11 Nov 2020, 22:11 Stefan Klatt ha scritto: > Hi, > > what's the reason to use an addon with static preferences which need to be > compiled and not a thunderbird configuration variable? > This would make updates really more easier! > > Regards > > Stefan > > -- > *CaC, Computer and Communication* > Inhaber Stefan Klatt > End-2-End Senior Security Consultant > CISSP / CEH / CISM / ISO27001 Lead Implementer / TOGAF9 / > VdS-anerkannter Berater für Cyber-Security > Badges: https://www.youracclaim.com/users/stefan-klatt > Triftstrasse 9 > 60528 Frankfurt > Germany > USt-IdNr.: DE260461592 > > Tel.: +49-(0)172-6807809 > Tel.: +49-(0)69-67808-900 > Fax: +49-(0)69-67808-837 > Email: stefan.kl...@cac-netzwerk.de > Profil: http://www.cac-netzwerk.de/profil > -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
