RE: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
Title: RE: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people. > > > > Just trying to reach someone in the company who: > > 1) Understands what I'm talking about > > 2) Gives a sh1t > > 3) Has the power to change the problem. > > is too long of a battle. I've got enough trouble educating > our vendors and > > customers. Big places like the Gap, Insight, CDW, airlines, > travel agencies, > > ect, can pay for my time. > > > > It may sound mean, but try educating long enough, and > you'll feel the same > > way in no time at all :) > > Do you think wrapping a hockey stick around the appropriate > heads who are > in the way of access to the proper heads would do any good? It would be fun to try, but those damn carbon fiber / fiberglass hockey sticks just don't carry the weight like the old wooden ones :) And now with the season over, I have to resort to my martial arts. A good hook kick to the temple might jar loose the extention number of a knowledgible staff member. --Chris
Re: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
From: "Chris Santerre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Alan Premselaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip...
> And the first thing in the Ham was about adding their
address to your
> contacts to make sure you get their email. If they were so
worried, they
> would write better marketing emails.
>
> --Chris
>
Maybe you should send them an email to tell them that.
Help educate the masses!
Back when I was an antispam noob, I tried that with several companies. Now
that I'm a bit wiser and more jaded, they can pay me to consult. They pay
someone to write the spammy marketing emails, forcing all of us to do more
work.
Just trying to reach someone in the company who:
1) Understands what I'm talking about
2) Gives a sh1t
3) Has the power to change the problem.
is too long of a battle. I've got enough trouble educating our vendors and
customers. Big places like the Gap, Insight, CDW, airlines, travel agencies,
ect, can pay for my time.
It may sound mean, but try educating long enough, and you'll feel the same
way in no time at all :)
Do you think wrapping a hockey stick around the appropriate heads who are
in the way of access to the proper heads would do any good?
{^_-}
RE: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
Title: RE: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people. > -Original Message- > From: Alan Premselaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:53 PM > To: Chris Santerre > Cc: SaTalk (E-mail) > Subject: Re: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people. > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > snip... > > > And the first thing in the Ham was about adding their > address to your > > contacts to make sure you get their email. If they were so > worried, they > > would write better marketing emails. > > > > --Chris > > > > Maybe you should send them an email to tell them that. > > Help educate the masses! Back when I was an antispam noob, I tried that with several companies. Now that I'm a bit wiser and more jaded, they can pay me to consult. They pay someone to write the spammy marketing emails, forcing all of us to do more work. Just trying to reach someone in the company who: 1) Understands what I'm talking about 2) Gives a sh1t 3) Has the power to change the problem. is too long of a battle. I've got enough trouble educating our vendors and customers. Big places like the Gap, Insight, CDW, airlines, travel agencies, ect, can pay for my time. It may sound mean, but try educating long enough, and you'll feel the same way in no time at all :) Chris Santerre SysAdmin and SARE/URIBL ninja http://www.uribl.com http://www.rulesemporium.com
Re: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
From: "Alan Premselaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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snip...
And the first thing in the Ham was about adding their address to your
contacts to make sure you get their email. If they were so worried, they
would write better marketing emails.
--Chris
Maybe you should send them an email to tell them that.
Help educate the masses!
Or perhaps they should use an RSS feed to customers who sign up. (That might,
lead to an upsurge of development for an RSS feed SpamAssassin-alike.)
{^_-}
Re: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
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RE: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
Title: RE: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people. > -Original Message- > From: Matt Kettler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:36 AM > To: Dallas L. Engelken > Cc: SaTalk (E-mail) > Subject: Re: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people. > > > Dallas L. Engelken wrote: > > or maybe M.O. needs to can their email admin for not > whitelisting those > > all important gap mailers. ;) > > > Or adjust their mail filters so they're not so over-zealous that you > need to whitelist everything of a commercial nature. > > I personally detest using whitelists and will only use them > as a measure > of last resort. I find that if I'm even considering using > whitelists to > deal with FP's it's a sign that the mail filter is overly aggressive. > > I have much better success fixing the over-aggressive rules > than trying > to put out fires by whitelisting every commercial mailer in the known > universe. lol :) They hit a bunch. I've never had them FP before. It was just a completely spammy written Ham. Now I have to go and whitelist the stupid thing for one luser. Content analysis details: (7.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.5 SUBJ_2_CREDIT BODY: Contains 'subject to credit approval' 0.6 MY_PHRS_LOW BODY: low scoring phrases found 1.0 MY_PHRS_MED BODY: medium scoring phrases found 0.2 HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04 BODY: HTML has a low ratio of text to image area 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 HTML_90_100 BODY: Message is 90% to 100% HTML 0.6 MY_ALT RAW: Empty ALT uri 0.2 MY_CLICK RAW: Asks to click 0.6 MY_WIDTH RAW: Width 1 or 0 0.5 MY_NO_QU RAW: Q without a U 0.4 MY_OBFU_LONG RAW: One long word! 0.6 MY_HEIGHT RAW: Height 1 or 0 1.5 MY_LONG_WORD RAW: 50 char long word. Maybe base64 trick 0.6 MY_SPACER RAW: Common .gif in spammers html code? And the first thing in the Ham was about adding their address to your contacts to make sure you get their email. If they were so worried, they would write better marketing emails. --Chris
Re: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
Dallas L. Engelken wrote: > or maybe M.O. needs to can their email admin for not whitelisting those > all important gap mailers. ;) > Or adjust their mail filters so they're not so over-zealous that you need to whitelist everything of a commercial nature. I personally detest using whitelists and will only use them as a measure of last resort. I find that if I'm even considering using whitelists to deal with FP's it's a sign that the mail filter is overly aggressive. I have much better success fixing the over-aggressive rules than trying to put out fires by whitelisting every commercial mailer in the known universe. > > >
RE: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people.
or maybe M.O. needs to can their email admin for not whitelisting those all important gap mailers. ;) From: Chris Santerre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 09:16 To: Spaml (E-mail); SaTalk (E-mail) Subject: HUMOR: Gap needs to fire Marketing people. This is HAM. Signed up for by the user. But whoever is creating these mailers for The Gap, needs to be fired. Subject: Size Matters. Find Out Why Inside. Seriously, they paid someone to come up with that? Its like they are trying to be flagged as spam. (And it was flagged on our system!) Chris Santerre SysAdmin and SARE/URIBL ninja http://www.uribl.com http://www.rulesemporium.com
