AW: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
there is no need to download anything. you can just use your local repo. perhaps you may even share your repo through some local network (didnt try that though). mvn -o should start maven in offline mode... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jan Vissers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 08:40 An: Tapestry users Cc: Tapestry users Betreff: Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-) but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive dependency management. Sure - but in my opinion this shouldn't be imposed by a web application framework. I should be able to decide whether to use Maven in my project and not Tapestry. What if I'm not allowed to use Maven in a company. I worked on a project that for security reasons didn't allow any stuff being downloaded onto a developer's workstation from the internet. I want to be able just to grab the required libraries and setup my project as I see fit. This insulates me from things like; the repositories being unreachable, faulty new versions of plugins, etc. etc. Howard, please... respond. -J. I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent a couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2 quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive dependency management. On 3/27/07, Borut Bolèina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005. I share my oppinion with http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686 Best, Borut P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your question. if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You can download each official release like everyone else. For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says at the Maven project info ;-) - we as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a requirement in our every day work or not. To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related threads in the maillist, whereas this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework. Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or let the creator of Tapestry state) that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and I can go about my business. Thanks, -J. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS link posted earlier in this thread? At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the same courtesy. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, please... respond. -J. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jesse Kuhnert Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer Open source based consulting work centered around dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Well, that's just because I've had no real answer from any of you. The T5 manual goes into great detail as to how Maven should be used in creating a Tapestry application, Howard Screencast #3 is describing how Maven is used in Tapestry development. His blogs mentions a bunch of stuff related to Maven. All of this to me looks like Maven is playing a vital role in the way T5 should be used. Maybe I should restate my question (and show you that I am sincere and by no means are trying to bully any of you): So here goes: What if I don't want to use Maven, or the project/company that is hiring me doesn't allow me to use Maven - can I still use T5? and... If I'm not using Maven, what are the features of T5 I am missing out on? Hope this makes things clearer, Thank you. -J. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your question. if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You can download each official release like everyone else. For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says at the Maven project info ;-) - we as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a requirement in our every day work or not. To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related threads in the maillist, whereas this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework. Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or let the creator of Tapestry state) that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and I can go about my business. Thanks, -J. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS link posted earlier in this thread? At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the same courtesy. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, please... respond. -J. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cumquat Information Technology De Dreef 19 3706 BR Zeist T +31 (0)30 - 6940490 F +31 (0)30 - 6940499 W http://www.cumquat.nl E [EMAIL PROTECTED] M +31 6 51 169 556 B http://www.cumquat.nl/technology_atom10.xml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
If your company doesn't allow using maven then you can download Tapestry like anyone else: http://tapestry.apache.org/download.html Other than that you'll be missing out on all of the archetypes / snapshot updates / etc. ...You can go find out more about that at : http://maven.apache.org Yes - we're using maven for development because it makes our lives easier. We're not here to sell you on using / not using maven though. If you are really curious though, like I said ...Go read the manual. ;) On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's just because I've had no real answer from any of you. The T5 manual goes into great detail as to how Maven should be used in creating a Tapestry application, Howard Screencast #3 is describing how Maven is used in Tapestry development. His blogs mentions a bunch of stuff related to Maven. All of this to me looks like Maven is playing a vital role in the way T5 should be used. Maybe I should restate my question (and show you that I am sincere and by no means are trying to bully any of you): So here goes: What if I don't want to use Maven, or the project/company that is hiring me doesn't allow me to use Maven - can I still use T5? and... If I'm not using Maven, what are the features of T5 I am missing out on? Hope this makes things clearer, Thank you. -J. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your question. if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You can download each official release like everyone else. For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says at the Maven project info ;-) - we as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a requirement in our every day work or not. To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related threads in the maillist, whereas this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework. Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or let the creator of Tapestry state) that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and I can go about my business. Thanks, -J. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS link posted earlier in this thread? At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the same courtesy. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, please... respond. -J. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cumquat Information Technology De Dreef 19 3706 BR Zeist T +31 (0)30 - 6940490 F +31 (0)30 - 6940499 W http://www.cumquat.nl E [EMAIL PROTECTED] M +31 6 51 169 556 B http://www.cumquat.nl/technology_atom10.xml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jesse Kuhnert Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer Open source based consulting work centered around dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Excellent, thanks Jesse. -J. BTW (We'll stick to good 'ol ANT + Ivy ;-) ) Jesse Kuhnert wrote: If your company doesn't allow using maven then you can download Tapestry like anyone else: http://tapestry.apache.org/download.html Other than that you'll be missing out on all of the archetypes / snapshot updates / etc. ...You can go find out more about that at : http://maven.apache.org Yes - we're using maven for development because it makes our lives easier. We're not here to sell you on using / not using maven though. If you are really curious though, like I said ...Go read the manual. ;) On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's just because I've had no real answer from any of you. The T5 manual goes into great detail as to how Maven should be used in creating a Tapestry application, Howard Screencast #3 is describing how Maven is used in Tapestry development. His blogs mentions a bunch of stuff related to Maven. All of this to me looks like Maven is playing a vital role in the way T5 should be used. Maybe I should restate my question (and show you that I am sincere and by no means are trying to bully any of you): So here goes: What if I don't want to use Maven, or the project/company that is hiring me doesn't allow me to use Maven - can I still use T5? and... If I'm not using Maven, what are the features of T5 I am missing out on? Hope this makes things clearer, Thank you. -J. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: It only feels redundant because you already have your answer. It's self describing. You can do whatever you can do today. Is make a requirement for c++ development? I just don't understand your question. if you want to develop the actual framework code it's probably a requirement. If not, I don't know. It's what it used to be before. You can download each official release like everyone else. For some reason your question feels a little bit like bullying. I've seen you ask it now at least 10-20 times on this mailing list and on Howard's blog. I think you've asked it enough. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon - Since T5 is a single man effort (or at least that's what it says at the Maven project info ;-) - we as users of Tapestry have right to know whether Maven will be a requirement in our every day work or not. To me the thing that is annoying is seeing more and more Maven related threads in the maillist, whereas this list should be about developing with the great Tapestry framework. Do you really feel that this is that redundant, than simply state (or let the creator of Tapestry state) that Maven will not be a requirement for developing *with* Tapestry and I can go about my business. Thanks, -J. Jesse Kuhnert wrote: What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS link posted earlier in this thread? At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the same courtesy. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, please... respond. -J. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cumquat Information Technology De Dreef 19 3706 BR Zeist T +31 (0)30 - 6940490 F +31 (0)30 - 6940499 W http://www.cumquat.nl E [EMAIL PROTECTED] M +31 6 51 169 556 B http://www.cumquat.nl/technology_atom10.xml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cumquat Information Technology De Dreef 19 3706 BR Zeist T +31 (0)30 - 6940490 F +31 (0)30 - 6940499 W http://www.cumquat.nl E [EMAIL PROTECTED] M +31 6 51 169 556 B http://www.cumquat.nl/technology_atom10.xml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good catch. Maven has good idea behind but not too good implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly simply can not produce anything useable :( I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency management and publishing: just a bit more work initially but them it all just works... --- Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/27/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? Development of, currently yes. Development with, currently no. -- regards, Robin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice framework that really simplify project structure and development practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5 but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of projects build by maven). I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2. Renat On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good catch. Maven has good idea behind but not too good implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly simply can not produce anything useable :( I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency management and publishing: just a bit more work initially but them it all just works... --- Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Renat Zubairov - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just created a new Tapestry 5 app and am not sure whether things
completed ok.
Maven is given me the following feedback:
[INFO] Created: 20 parsers.
[INFO] Velocimacro : initialization starting.
[INFO] Velocimacro : adding VMs from VM library template :
VM_global_library.vm
[ERROR] ResourceManager : unable to find resource 'VM_global_library.vm'
in any resource loader.
[INFO] Velocimacro : error using VM library template
VM_global_library.vm :
org.apache.velocity.exception.ResourceNotFoundException: Unable to find
resource 'VM_global_library.vm'
[INFO] Velocimacro : VM library template macro registration complete.
[INFO] Velocimacro : allowInline = true : VMs can be defined inline in
templates
[INFO] Velocimacro : allowInlineToOverride = false : VMs defined inline
may NOT replace previous VM definitions
[INFO] Velocimacro : allowInlineLocal = false : VMs defined inline will
be global in scope if allowed.
[INFO] Velocimacro : initialization complete.
[INFO] Velocity successfully started.
[INFO] [archetype:create]
[INFO]
[INFO] Using following parameters for creating Archetype:
tapestry-simple:5.0.2
[INFO]
[INFO] Parameter: groupId, Value: com.cumquatit.research.tapestry
[INFO] Parameter: packageName, Value:
com.cumquatit.research.tapestry.secondapp
[INFO] Parameter: basedir, Value: D:\data\proj\Tapestry5\secondapp
[INFO] Parameter: package, Value: com.cumquatit.research.tapestry.secondapp
[INFO] Parameter: version, Value: 1.0-SNAPSHOT
[INFO] Parameter: artifactId, Value: secondapp
[WARNING] org.apache.velocity.runtime.exception.ReferenceException:
reference : template = archetype-resources/pom.xml [line 14,column 22] :
${tapestry-release-version} is not a valid reference.
[WARNING] org.apache.velocity.runtime.exception.ReferenceException:
reference : template = archetype-resources/pom.xml [line 90,column 26] :
${tapestry-release-version} is not a valid reference.
[INFO] * End of debug info from resources from
generated POM ***
[WARNING] org.apache.velocity.runtime.exception.ReferenceException:
reference : template =
archetype-resources/src/main/webapp/WEB-INF/Start.html [line 11,column
34] : ${currentTime} is not a valid reference.
[INFO] Archetype created in dir: D:\data\proj\Tapestry5\secondapp\secondapp
[INFO]
[INFO] BUILD SUCCESSFUL
[INFO]
[INFO] Total time: 2 seconds
[INFO] Finished at: Tue Mar 27 17:59:32 CEST 2007
[INFO] Final Memory: 4M/8M
[INFO]
Now was the build succesful, or not? And if so why do I get an error?
This what I mean ... I don't want to ask maven questions when I want to
create a Tapestry app.
Renat Zubairov wrote:
Hi
I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice
framework that really simplify project structure and development
practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5
but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of
projects build by maven).
I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2.
Renat
On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good catch.
Maven has good idea behind but not too good
implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly
simply can not produce anything useable :(
I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency
management and publishing: just a bit more work
initially but them it all just works...
--- Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts
steadily growing
I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will
it?
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of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase
their population by 263,000
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Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
What's more - suppose I want to create a web application, consisting of several (Eclipse) projects reflecting my application layering. Using Maven I first have to figure out how to setup multimodule applications and then wait whether this is indeed working properly in the specific Maven version I'm using. (I have had nightmarishly bad experiences using Maven and multimodule setups in the past). I hope the statement Robin Ericsson has made that: Development *of* Tapestry depends on Maven but Development *with* Tapestry doesn't depend on Maven Will remain that way! Howard, do you care to confirm this? Thank you, -J. Renat Zubairov wrote: Hi I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice framework that really simplify project structure and development practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5 but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of projects build by maven). I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2. Renat On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good catch. Maven has good idea behind but not too good implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly simply can not produce anything useable :( I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency management and publishing: just a bit more work initially but them it all just works... --- Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maven is very much like Windows and Project Wizards - does work fine till we need something slightly different than they think we would need. For example I think that: Much praised transitive dependencies in Maven 2 is simply abomination because it makes build dependent on repository content. I mean that that exactly the same pom can create different deliverables with different content, or one build will be successful and another will not. This is happening because of version ranges for dependencies and lack of explicit control over them paired with simple to use update tool. http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 --- Renat Zubairov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I would disagree. Maven (especially version 2) is a very nice framework that really simplify project structure and development practices. It has some issues in the dynamic projects like tapestry5 but in general it works very well (which is reflected by the number of projects build by maven). I'm quite happy that Tapestry is build using maven2. Renat On 27/03/07, Konstantin Ignatyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good catch. Maven has good idea behind but not too good implementation :) I think that inventor of Jelly simply can not produce anything useable :( I wish Howard used good-old Ant + Ivy for dependency management and publishing: just a bit more work initially but them it all just works... --- Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me, or is the amount of maven related posts steadily growing I hope T5 will not be dependent on Maven, or will it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Renat Zubairov - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005. I share my oppinion with http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686 Best, Borut P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent a couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2 quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive dependency management. On 3/27/07, Borut Bolčina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005. I share my oppinion with http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686 Best, Borut P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I find maven extremely useful, not only for my own projects. But also for building fresh checkouts from other os projects. Its really time saving and handy. We are currently working in a multimodule project using maven and it's working charmingly. On 3/27/07, DJ Gredler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent a couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2 quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive dependency management. On 3/27/07, Borut Bolčina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005. I share my oppinion with http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686 Best, Borut P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Borut BolÄina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005. Insulting, but pretty damn valid IMO to this day (Mar-27-2007). I share my oppinion with http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686 I see build tools as part of compiler and I think nobody will be satisfied with a compiler working fine 80% of the time. Why such tolerance of build tools misbehavior is the mystery for me. Konstantin Ignatyev PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000 Bowers, C.A. The Culture of Denial: Why the Environmental Movement Needs a Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools. New York: State University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive dependency management. Sure - but in my opinion this shouldn't be imposed by a web application framework. I should be able to decide whether to use Maven in my project and not Tapestry. What if I'm not allowed to use Maven in a company. I worked on a project that for security reasons didn't allow any stuff being downloaded onto a developer's workstation from the internet. I want to be able just to grab the required libraries and setup my project as I see fit. This insulates me from things like; the repositories being unreachable, faulty new versions of plugins, etc. etc. Howard, please... respond. -J. I wasn't a very big fan of Maven 1, but I really like Maven 2. I've spent a couple of days in the aggregate tearing my hair out over various Maven 2 quirks, but I think there's tremendous value in imposing some sort of standard build lifecycle and directory structure, not to mention transitive dependency management. On 3/27/07, Borut Bolèina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: http://www.bileblog.org/?p=59 This pretty insulting blog was posted on July 17th, 2005. I share my oppinion with http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44285#227686 Best, Borut P.S. This thread is a paradox, quite funny. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I thought this was a newsgroup about Tapestry ;-)
What do you really expect Howard to say that you didn't read in TSS link posted earlier in this thread? At this point this conversation is redundant and annoying. Everyone is free to develop their software however they like, please allow us the same courtesy. On 3/28/07, Jan Vissers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, please... respond. -J. -- Jesse Kuhnert Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer Open source based consulting work centered around dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
