Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ronny.Voss
Hi people

I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component which 
support subject - no luck!

Some knowledge on subject to share?

Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
Ronny Voss

Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
Online & Securities Processing Solutions
Strandgade 3
DK-1401 København K
Mobile: +45 26711952
E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com



Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
Hi,

Can you give a link to a jQuery plugin that does what you need ?
This way it will be simpler for others to suggest how to integrate it.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:38 AM,  wrote:

> Hi people
>
> I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component
> which support subject - no luck!
>
> Some knowledge on subject to share?
>
> Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> Ronny Voss
>
> Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> Online & Securities Processing Solutions
> Strandgade 3
> DK-1401 København K
> Mobile: +45 26711952
> E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com >
>
>


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Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Do you have any particular widget at mind? This should be difficult to
implement

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:38 AM,  wrote:

> Hi people
>
> I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component
> which support subject - no luck!
>
> Some knowledge on subject to share?
>
> Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> Ronny Voss
>
> Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> Online & Securities Processing Solutions
> Strandgade 3
> DK-1401 København K
> Mobile: +45 26711952
> E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com >
>
>


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Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
shouldn't be

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro <
reier...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you have any particular widget at mind? This should be difficult to
> implement
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:38 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi people
>>
>> I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component
>> which support subject - no luck!
>>
>> Some knowledge on subject to share?
>>
>> Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
>> Ronny Voss
>>
>> Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
>> Online & Securities Processing Solutions
>> Strandgade 3
>> DK-1401 København K
>> Mobile: +45 26711952
>> E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com> ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards - Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
> Antilia Soft
> http://antiliasoft.com/ 
>



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RE: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ronny.Voss
Hi all

Wow, quick attention here in general  :-)

No I do not have "name" on actual JQuery plugin which suits the need - I "just" 
assumed that JQuery will do the job and was shortly looking for some Wicket 
component already out there.

I am aiming for some panels (output html) to scroll.

- Ronny

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From: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com [mailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com] 
Sent: 04 February 2013 10:39
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

Hi people

I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component which 
support subject - no luck!

Some knowledge on subject to share?

Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
Ronny Voss

Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
Online & Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3
DK-1401 København K
Mobile: +45 26711952
E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com


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Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
I think you can use a Carousel widget for this.
There is such component in wicket-bootstrap project. You already use this
library..


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Wow, quick attention here in general  :-)
>
> No I do not have "name" on actual JQuery plugin which suits the need - I
> "just" assumed that JQuery will do the job and was shortly looking for some
> Wicket component already out there.
>
> I am aiming for some panels (output html) to scroll.
>
> - Ronny
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com [mailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com]
> Sent: 04 February 2013 10:39
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
>
> Hi people
>
> I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component
> which support subject - no luck!
>
> Some knowledge on subject to share?
>
> Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> Ronny Voss
>
> Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> Online & Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3
> DK-1401 København K
> Mobile: +45 26711952
> E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com >
>
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Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Hi,

Please pick one of your liking so we could advise how (or even help;-) to
implement it.

Maybe something like this

http://antiliasoft.com/wiquery-plugins/?wicket:bookmarkablePage=:com.wiquery.plugins.demo.SlideDeckPage

or like this

http://www.lioherenterprise.com

would be enough?



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Wow, quick attention here in general  :-)
>
> No I do not have "name" on actual JQuery plugin which suits the need - I
> "just" assumed that JQuery will do the job and was shortly looking for some
> Wicket component already out there.
>
> I am aiming for some panels (output html) to scroll.
>
> - Ronny
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com [mailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com]
> Sent: 04 February 2013 10:39
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
>
> Hi people
>
> I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component
> which support subject - no luck!
>
> Some knowledge on subject to share?
>
> Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> Ronny Voss
>
> Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> Online & Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3
> DK-1401 København K
> Mobile: +45 26711952
> E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com >
>
>
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RE: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ronny.Voss
Hi

Yes I know about Carousel - as I recall it is solely based on bitmaps as input? 
and I was aiming for panel as input...

- Ronny

-Original Message-
From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org] 
Sent: 04 February 2013 10:59
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

I think you can use a Carousel widget for this.
There is such component in wicket-bootstrap project. You already use this 
library..


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Wow, quick attention here in general  :-)
>
> No I do not have "name" on actual JQuery plugin which suits the need - 
> I "just" assumed that JQuery will do the job and was shortly looking 
> for some Wicket component already out there.
>
> I am aiming for some panels (output html) to scroll.
>
> - Ronny
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com 
> [mailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com]
> Sent: 04 February 2013 10:39
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
>
> Hi people
>
> I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component 
> which support subject - no luck!
>
> Some knowledge on subject to share?
>
> Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> Ronny Voss
>
> Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> Online & Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3
> DK-1401 København K
> Mobile: +45 26711952
> E-mail: 
> ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com >
>
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Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
Check again ;-)
The image is just the usual demo for content. But you decide what to put in
the content ..

http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/javascript.html#carousel has some text
next to the image.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 AM,  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Yes I know about Carousel - as I recall it is solely based on bitmaps as
> input? and I was aiming for panel as input...
>
> - Ronny
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org]
> Sent: 04 February 2013 10:59
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
>
> I think you can use a Carousel widget for this.
> There is such component in wicket-bootstrap project. You already use this
> library..
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Wow, quick attention here in general  :-)
> >
> > No I do not have "name" on actual JQuery plugin which suits the need -
> > I "just" assumed that JQuery will do the job and was shortly looking
> > for some Wicket component already out there.
> >
> > I am aiming for some panels (output html) to scroll.
> >
> > - Ronny
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com
> > [mailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com]
> > Sent: 04 February 2013 10:39
> > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > Subject: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
> >
> > Hi people
> >
> > I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component
> > which support subject - no luck!
> >
> > Some knowledge on subject to share?
> >
> > Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> > Ronny Voss
> >
> > Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> > Online & Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3
> > DK-1401 København K
> > Mobile: +45 26711952
> > E-mail:
> > ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com > >
> >
> >
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RE: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ronny.Voss
Hi

Maybe I was too quick to ask community here :-) sorry about that...

To be more preciously: as it stands - I expect this flow to be the case
Design 1-n panels
Panels content will "only" be txt
Have those panels outcome markup to be the content in the rolling newspaper

So I was "just" looking if somebody already did this.

All the best.

/Ronny

-Original Message-
From: Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro [mailto:reier...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 February 2013 11:00
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

Hi,

Please pick one of your liking so we could advise how (or even help;-) to 
implement it.

Maybe something like this

http://antiliasoft.com/wiquery-plugins/?wicket:bookmarkablePage=:com.wiquery.plugins.demo.SlideDeckPage

or like this

http://www.lioherenterprise.com

would be enough?



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Wow, quick attention here in general  :-)
>
> No I do not have "name" on actual JQuery plugin which suits the need - 
> I "just" assumed that JQuery will do the job and was shortly looking 
> for some Wicket component already out there.
>
> I am aiming for some panels (output html) to scroll.
>
> - Ronny
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com 
> [mailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com]
> Sent: 04 February 2013 10:39
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
>
> Hi people
>
> I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket component 
> which support subject - no luck!
>
> Some knowledge on subject to share?
>
> Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> Ronny Voss
>
> Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> Online & Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3
> DK-1401 København K
> Mobile: +45 26711952
> E-mail: 
> ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com >
>
>
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RE: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

2013-02-04 Thread Ronny.Voss
Hi

O I didn’t actual see that Martin - thanks a lot for the hint.

So I guess I am "home free" here...

/Ronny

-Original Message-
From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org] 
Sent: 04 February 2013 11:09
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper

Check again ;-)
The image is just the usual demo for content. But you decide what to put in the 
content ..

http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/javascript.html#carousel has some text next 
to the image.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 AM,  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Yes I know about Carousel - as I recall it is solely based on bitmaps 
> as input? and I was aiming for panel as input...
>
> - Ronny
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org]
> Sent: 04 February 2013 10:59
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
>
> I think you can use a Carousel widget for this.
> There is such component in wicket-bootstrap project. You already use 
> this library..
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Wow, quick attention here in general  :-)
> >
> > No I do not have "name" on actual JQuery plugin which suits the need 
> > - I "just" assumed that JQuery will do the job and was shortly 
> > looking for some Wicket component already out there.
> >
> > I am aiming for some panels (output html) to scroll.
> >
> > - Ronny
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com
> > [mailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com]
> > Sent: 04 February 2013 10:39
> > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > Subject: Wicket (jquery) ticker component - rolling newspaper
> >
> > Hi people
> >
> > I looked into community trying to find some existing Wicket 
> > component which support subject - no luck!
> >
> > Some knowledge on subject to share?
> >
> > Best regards/Med venlig hilsen
> > Ronny Voss
> >
> > Nordea Bank Danmark A/S
> > Online & Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3
> > DK-1401 København K
> > Mobile: +45 26711952
> > E-mail:
> > ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com > >
> >
> >
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Want to override FeedbackPanel to use GAE/J memcache in addition to the session

2013-02-04 Thread Ian Marshall
I am having trouble with intermittently missing Wicket session flash
messages. I refer to my post on StackOverflow at:

 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14344740/intermittently-missing-wicket-session-flash-messages

I would like to try to fix my problem by overriding FeedbackPanel to use
GAE/J's memory cache in addition to the session, in order to "fill in" flash
messages missing from the session with those in the GAE/J memory cache.

I failed in my attempt since, in my inexperienced view, the required methods
in FeedbackPanel were declared final.

Is there a way for me to override FeedbackPanel (or otherwise) to use a
complementary store in addition to the session, and for me to "fill in" any
flash messages that I deem to be missing?


Java code
-


HTML mark-up



My software environment
---
  Web framework: Apache Wicket 6.5.0
  Web server: Google App Engine for Java version 1.7.4
  Java version: 1.6.0_37; Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 20.12-b01
  Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP version 5.1 running on x86



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Re: Want to override FeedbackPanel to use GAE/J memcache in addition to the session

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
Hi,

I think you need to do this in a higher level.
Instead of making FeedpackPanel aware of GAE, I suggest you to make a
custom ISessionStore that relies (e.g. is being stored) on GAE.
Wicket's Session is stored as an attribute in the HttpSession. This is done
in the default impl of ISessionStore - HttpSessionStore.




On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Ian Marshall wrote:

> I am having trouble with intermittently missing Wicket session flash
> messages. I refer to my post on StackOverflow at:
>
>
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14344740/intermittently-missing-wicket-session-flash-messages
>
> I would like to try to fix my problem by overriding FeedbackPanel to use
> GAE/J's memory cache in addition to the session, in order to "fill in"
> flash
> messages missing from the session with those in the GAE/J memory cache.
>
> I failed in my attempt since, in my inexperienced view, the required
> methods
> in FeedbackPanel were declared final.
>
> Is there a way for me to override FeedbackPanel (or otherwise) to use a
> complementary store in addition to the session, and for me to "fill in" any
> flash messages that I deem to be missing?
>
>
> Java code
> -
>
>
> HTML mark-up
> 
>
>
> My software environment
> ---
>   Web framework: Apache Wicket 6.5.0
>   Web server: Google App Engine for Java version 1.7.4
>   Java version: 1.6.0_37; Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 20.12-b01
>   Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP version 5.1 running on x86
>
>
>
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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
Hi,

Spring MVC is backed by VMWare.
GWT by Google (or not anymore ?!)

Wicket and Tapestry as Apache projects are developed by volunteers.

I think what miss is the marketing and the training.

I'm not sure whether there is such job search site in Germany to get some
stats but the market for Wicket here is pretty big.
Among others several German banks use Wicket for their web apps.



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Philippe Demaison wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Let's say that the most popular java web frameworks are Wicket, Tapestry,
> GWT, Spring MVC.
>
> Have you seen the graph ?
>
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Wicket%2C+Tapestry%2C+GWT%2C+%22Spring+MVC%22
>
>
> Other frameworks
> Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam
>
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Seam
>
>
> What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?
>
> Best regards
> Phlippe
>



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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Hi,

IMHO on countries that invest heavily on R&D (new technologies) like
Germany, Netherlands, UK, USA, etc Wicket market is growing... and you can
find lots of Jobs posts asking for Wicket versed programmers.. See

http://www.indeed.de/Jobs?q=Wicket&l=
http://www.indeed.nl/Wicket-vacatures
http://www.indeed.fr/emplois?q=Wicket&l=
http://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs?q=Wicket&l=

compare to

http://www.indeed.es/ofertas?q=Wicket&l=

:-(

As many other OpenSource projects its development depends largely on
volunteers and on companies willing to pay back with "employee time"
for maintenance/documentation. etc. So, there is no point on comparing with
frameworks backed by big players or "well established" frameworks.

At least in Spain my experience is that:

1- "I do not risk my ass" decision makers are a big obstacle for adoption:
they just want to hear about "big names backed software"  or at least well
know/established software... so that, if development ins't going as
planned, it is not a problem of the framework selected.
2- Many programmers comming from Struts like frameworks background have big
problems in caching up with OOP required for Wicket and the "Wicket way".
3- Lack of a unified "place" where to find free/well-supported "commercial
quality" components doesn't help either when you want to sell wicket.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Philippe Demaison wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Let's say that the most popular java web frameworks are Wicket, Tapestry,
> GWT, Spring MVC.
>
> Have you seen the graph ?
>
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Wicket%2C+Tapestry%2C+GWT%2C+%22Spring+MVC%22
>
>
> Other frameworks
> Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam
>
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Seam
>
>
> What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?
>
> Best regards
> Phlippe
>



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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Tim Urberg
I wouldn't discount Apache, look at how Struts took off, and look at the 
Apache HTTP server, the most widely used server on the web.  Apache may 
not be a "big corporation" but they are a still a big name.


On 2/4/13 7:37 AM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro wrote:

Hi,

IMHO on countries that invest heavily on R&D (new technologies) like
Germany, Netherlands, UK, USA, etc Wicket market is growing... and you can
find lots of Jobs posts asking for Wicket versed programmers.. See

http://www.indeed.de/Jobs?q=Wicket&l=
http://www.indeed.nl/Wicket-vacatures
http://www.indeed.fr/emplois?q=Wicket&l=
http://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs?q=Wicket&l=

compare to

http://www.indeed.es/ofertas?q=Wicket&l=

:-(

As many other OpenSource projects its development depends largely on
volunteers and on companies willing to pay back with "employee time"
for maintenance/documentation. etc. So, there is no point on comparing with
frameworks backed by big players or "well established" frameworks.

At least in Spain my experience is that:

1- "I do not risk my ass" decision makers are a big obstacle for adoption:
they just want to hear about "big names backed software"  or at least well
know/established software... so that, if development ins't going as
planned, it is not a problem of the framework selected.
2- Many programmers comming from Struts like frameworks background have big
problems in caching up with OOP required for Wicket and the "Wicket way".
3- Lack of a unified "place" where to find free/well-supported "commercial
quality" components doesn't help either when you want to sell wicket.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Philippe Demaison wrote:


Hello,

Let's say that the most popular java web frameworks are Wicket, Tapestry,
GWT, Spring MVC.

Have you seen the graph ?

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Wicket%2C+Tapestry%2C+GWT%2C+%22Spring+MVC%22


Other frameworks
Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Seam


What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?

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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Hi,

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Tim Urberg  wrote:

> I wouldn't discount Apache, look at how Struts took off, and look at the
> Apache HTTP server, the most widely used server on the web.  Apache may not
> be a "big corporation" but they are a still a big name.
>
>
It is not my intention to discount Apache (read my allusion to "well
established frameworks" as Struts). I just wanted to pointing out that for
managers it is a lot easier to decided for WELL established names that
for newcomers... Things like

1-"how/where do I find programmers that know this technology".?
2- Is my team going to catch up quickly with new things, would they be able
to solves difficult issues?
3- if not who is available on my "local marked" that will be able to solve
those issues for me at a reasonable price?
4- What do I gain risking new technology? Please show me a nice free (or
cheap) well maintained component "pack" I can use to solve my
problems/quickly build my applications.

Those are the questions I have faced when trying to get wicket adopted.


>
> On 2/4/13 7:37 AM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> IMHO on countries that invest heavily on R&D (new technologies) like
>> Germany, Netherlands, UK, USA, etc Wicket market is growing... and you can
>> find lots of Jobs posts asking for Wicket versed programmers.. See
>>
>> http://www.indeed.de/Jobs?q=**Wicket&l=
>> http://www.indeed.nl/Wicket-**vacatures
>> http://www.indeed.fr/emplois?**q=Wicket&l=
>> http://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs?**q=Wicket&l=
>>
>> compare to
>>
>> http://www.indeed.es/ofertas?**q=Wicket&l=
>>
>> :-(
>>
>> As many other OpenSource projects its development depends largely on
>> volunteers and on companies willing to pay back with "employee time"
>> for maintenance/documentation. etc. So, there is no point on comparing
>> with
>> frameworks backed by big players or "well established" frameworks.
>>
>> At least in Spain my experience is that:
>>
>> 1- "I do not risk my ass" decision makers are a big obstacle for adoption:
>> they just want to hear about "big names backed software"  or at least well
>> know/established software... so that, if development ins't going as
>> planned, it is not a problem of the framework selected.
>> 2- Many programmers comming from Struts like frameworks background have
>> big
>> problems in caching up with OOP required for Wicket and the "Wicket way".
>> 3- Lack of a unified "place" where to find free/well-supported "commercial
>> quality" components doesn't help either when you want to sell wicket.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Philippe Demaison > >wrote:
>>
>>  Hello,
>>>
>>> Let's say that the most popular java web frameworks are Wicket, Tapestry,
>>> GWT, Spring MVC.
>>>
>>> Have you seen the graph ?
>>>
>>> http://www.indeed.com/**jobtrends?q=Wicket%2C+**
>>> Tapestry%2C+GWT%2C+%22Spring+**MVC%22
>>>
>>>
>>> Other frameworks
>>> Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam
>>>
>>> http://www.indeed.com/**jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%**
>>> 22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+**Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+**Seam
>>>
>>>
>>> What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Phlippe
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Josh Kamau
Does anyone think the rise of javascript based single page thick client
type of applications are eating on wickets share? When i try to sell wicket
to my peers, they normally argue that they want a stateless client and a
stateful rich clients. The kind of clients that you build with javascript
toolkits such as angular, backbone etc. One of the main reason why i
started using wicket was my phobia for javascript. That phobia is no more.
Infact i want more and more control over the javascript on my client.  Does
anyone else share the same sentiments?  I am still a huge wicket fun and i
use it in many projects.
Josh.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro <
reier...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Tim Urberg  wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't discount Apache, look at how Struts took off, and look at the
> > Apache HTTP server, the most widely used server on the web.  Apache may
> not
> > be a "big corporation" but they are a still a big name.
> >
> >
> It is not my intention to discount Apache (read my allusion to "well
> established frameworks" as Struts). I just wanted to pointing out that for
> managers it is a lot easier to decided for WELL established names that
> for newcomers... Things like
>
> 1-"how/where do I find programmers that know this technology".?
> 2- Is my team going to catch up quickly with new things, would they be able
> to solves difficult issues?
> 3- if not who is available on my "local marked" that will be able to solve
> those issues for me at a reasonable price?
> 4- What do I gain risking new technology? Please show me a nice free (or
> cheap) well maintained component "pack" I can use to solve my
> problems/quickly build my applications.
>
> Those are the questions I have faced when trying to get wicket adopted.
>
>
> >
> > On 2/4/13 7:37 AM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> IMHO on countries that invest heavily on R&D (new technologies) like
> >> Germany, Netherlands, UK, USA, etc Wicket market is growing... and you
> can
> >> find lots of Jobs posts asking for Wicket versed programmers.. See
> >>
> >> http://www.indeed.de/Jobs?q=**Wicket&l=<
> http://www.indeed.de/Jobs?q=Wicket&l=>
> >> http://www.indeed.nl/Wicket-**vacatures<
> http://www.indeed.nl/Wicket-vacatures>
> >> http://www.indeed.fr/emplois?**q=Wicket&l=<
> http://www.indeed.fr/emplois?q=Wicket&l=>
> >> http://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs?**q=Wicket&l=<
> http://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs?q=Wicket&l=>
> >>
> >> compare to
> >>
> >> http://www.indeed.es/ofertas?**q=Wicket&l=<
> http://www.indeed.es/ofertas?q=Wicket&l=>
> >>
> >> :-(
> >>
> >> As many other OpenSource projects its development depends largely on
> >> volunteers and on companies willing to pay back with "employee time"
> >> for maintenance/documentation. etc. So, there is no point on comparing
> >> with
> >> frameworks backed by big players or "well established" frameworks.
> >>
> >> At least in Spain my experience is that:
> >>
> >> 1- "I do not risk my ass" decision makers are a big obstacle for
> adoption:
> >> they just want to hear about "big names backed software"  or at least
> well
> >> know/established software... so that, if development ins't going as
> >> planned, it is not a problem of the framework selected.
> >> 2- Many programmers comming from Struts like frameworks background have
> >> big
> >> problems in caching up with OOP required for Wicket and the "Wicket
> way".
> >> 3- Lack of a unified "place" where to find free/well-supported
> "commercial
> >> quality" components doesn't help either when you want to sell wicket.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Philippe Demaison <
> ph.demai...@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hello,
> >>>
> >>> Let's say that the most popular java web frameworks are Wicket,
> Tapestry,
> >>> GWT, Spring MVC.
> >>>
> >>> Have you seen the graph ?
> >>>
> >>> http://www.indeed.com/**jobtrends?q=Wicket%2C+**
> >>> Tapestry%2C+GWT%2C+%22Spring+**MVC%22<
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Wicket%2C+Tapestry%2C+GWT%2C+%22Spring+MVC%22
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Other frameworks
> >>> Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam
> >>>
> >>> http://www.indeed.com/**jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%**
> >>> 22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+**Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+**Seam<
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Seam
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Phlippe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread manuelbarzi
> toolkits such as angular, backbone etc. One of the main reason why i
> started using wicket was my phobia for javascript. That phobia is no more.
> Infact i want more and more control over the javascript on my client.  Does
> anyone else share the same sentiments?  I am still a huge wicket fun and i
> use it in many projects.
> Josh.

i think that the evolution of:

- network speed
- navigators capabilities (memory, processing speed, etc. provided by
hardware advances)

is creating the "picture of java virtual machine" in client-side but
with html, css and javascript. you can see more and more heavy-duty
"web software" being executed on navigators (client-side) with more
and more load of dependencies (javascript resources an so on). so, at
the end, executing a web-application will transform the something as
similar as it was downloading an applet and running that piece on
navigator. with the difference, for the moment, that all code
downloaded is not crypted or compiled, but "interpreted".

it seems like a fish biting its tail. soon may be, we'll have
"javascript virtual machine's" (already working in navigators, almost)
downloading and running "javascript applets" (tons of code).

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onBeforeRender hit twice on page after Authentication

2013-02-04 Thread AnilUpadhyay
I'm noticing one of my Wicket pages being rendered twice under certain
circumstances.  For example, when I log in, view a form page and submit the
form, if the success action of the form submission is to view the
bookmarkable details of the newly created entity, then the details page gets
rendered twice.  I can tell the rendering happens twice because in my logs,
I have added a DEBUG statement that shows when onBeforeRender is called for
this page.

If I do the same action again, without logging out/in, then the double
rendering (or double honk as we've been calling it) doesn't happen again. 
I'm only able to replicate this the first time I submit the form after I log
in.

I'm using wicket security (wasp/swarm) for auth.



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Re: onBeforeRender hit twice on page after Authentication

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
Hi,

Put a breakpoint in onBeforeRender and see what are the stack traces.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM, AnilUpadhyay  wrote:

> I'm noticing one of my Wicket pages being rendered twice under certain
> circumstances.  For example, when I log in, view a form page and submit the
> form, if the success action of the form submission is to view the
> bookmarkable details of the newly created entity, then the details page
> gets
> rendered twice.  I can tell the rendering happens twice because in my logs,
> I have added a DEBUG statement that shows when onBeforeRender is called for
> this page.
>
> If I do the same action again, without logging out/in, then the double
> rendering (or double honk as we've been calling it) doesn't happen again.
> I'm only able to replicate this the first time I submit the form after I
> log
> in.
>
> I'm using wicket security (wasp/swarm) for auth.
>
>
>
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Wicket dataprovider query / search time

2013-02-04 Thread Rob Audenaerde
Hi All,

I'm displaying (Lucene)search results in Wicket using a DataTable. The 
Datatable uses a IDataProvider to populate the toolbars and cells.

I try to figure out the amount of time it took to do the query. A typical query 
involves calls to

* size(...)
* iterator(...)
* model(..)

What would be a good approach to count the time spend in these methods? I can 
implement stuff like System.currentTimeMillis() in each of these calls, but 
what would be the 'proper' place to do this? 

And also, I would like to display this time in a Toolbar, so somehow I should 
make sure when the 'dataloading' part is done. Any hints? 

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14686739/wicket-dataprovider-query-search-time


Thanks!

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Re: onBeforeRender hit twice on page after Authentication

2013-02-04 Thread Sven Meier

Possibly WICKET-4995 ?

Sven

On 02/04/2013 04:29 PM, Martin Grigorov wrote:

Hi,

Put a breakpoint in onBeforeRender and see what are the stack traces.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM, AnilUpadhyay  wrote:


I'm noticing one of my Wicket pages being rendered twice under certain
circumstances.  For example, when I log in, view a form page and submit the
form, if the success action of the form submission is to view the
bookmarkable details of the newly created entity, then the details page
gets
rendered twice.  I can tell the rendering happens twice because in my logs,
I have added a DEBUG statement that shows when onBeforeRender is called for
this page.

If I do the same action again, without logging out/in, then the double
rendering (or double honk as we've been calling it) doesn't happen again.
I'm only able to replicate this the first time I submit the form after I
log
in.

I'm using wicket security (wasp/swarm) for auth.



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Re: Wicket dataprovider query / search time

2013-02-04 Thread Francois Meillet
Try to collect the search method's duration in your DAO.

François

Le 4 févr. 2013 à 16:36, Rob Audenaerde  a écrit :

> Hi All,
> 
> I'm displaying (Lucene)search results in Wicket using a DataTable. The 
> Datatable uses a IDataProvider to populate the toolbars and cells.
> 
> I try to figure out the amount of time it took to do the query. A typical 
> query involves calls to
> 
> * size(...)
> * iterator(...)
> * model(..)
> 
> What would be a good approach to count the time spend in these methods? I can 
> implement stuff like System.currentTimeMillis() in each of these calls, but 
> what would be the 'proper' place to do this? 
> 
> And also, I would like to display this time in a Toolbar, so somehow I should 
> make sure when the 'dataloading' part is done. Any hints? 
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14686739/wicket-dataprovider-query-search-time
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Same Panel, but Formatted in 2 Different Ways (Diff. Presentation)

2013-02-04 Thread eugenebalt
Is it possible to have a Panel implemented in .java which has multiple
.html's?

We have a panel with the same data but different formatting.



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Re: Problem with markup inheritance in Wicket 6

2013-02-04 Thread Paul Bors
If your web.xml specifies configuration=deployment and you want to report
the runtime error on a custom page then in your Application class:

protected void init() {
  ...
  getApplicationSettings().setInternalErrorPage(MyInternalErrorPage.class);
  ...
}

class MyInternalErrorPage extend WebPage {
  public MyInternalErrorPage() {
Session.get().error("Some custom generic error");
throw new RestartResponseException( Application.get().getHomePage() );
  }
}

Also, do you have  in your parent HTML file and
 in your extended markup file?
https://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/wickets-xhtml-tags.html#Wicket%2527sXHTMLtags-Elementwicket%253Aextend
https://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/markup-inheritance.html

But if this was working for you in 5.x then I presume you do have the
markup inheritence setup right.

~ Thank you,
   Paul Bors
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Marios Skounakis  wrote:

> I've seen this happen too. It's not related to inheritance. If you add a
> component in code and omit it in the html file, you get different behavior
> in the following cases:
>
> - if your web.xml specifies configuration=deployment, you don't get an
> error
> - if you web.xml specifies configuration=development, you get a runtime
> exception
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Martin Grigorov  >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think there are no changes in this area.
> > Do you extend/inherit the markup or completely override it ?
> > I expect to see  instead of  in
> > MyNewPanel.html.
> > Create a quickstart and attach it to a ticket in Jira please.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Dmitriy Neretin <
> > dmitriy.nere...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > I have another problem during Wicket 6 migration. This time it is a
> > problem
> > > with markup inheritance.
> > >
> > > I have an old wicket panel and appropriate markup file:
> > > MyOldGoodWicketPanel & MyOldGoodWicketPanel.html
> > >
> > > Markup file looks like this:
> > >
> > > 
> > >  ... stuff ...
> > > 
> > >
> > > Some months ago I needed for the same Panel another Markup, so what I
> > did:
> > >
> > > class MyNewPanel extends MyOldGoodWicketPanel {
> > > almost the same stuff
> > > }
> > >
> > > and an appropriate markup file:
> > >
> > > MyNewPanel.html with following markup:
> > >
> > > 
> > >  ... other stuff ...
> > > 
> > >
> > > It worked pretty well in the Wicket 1.5, but now I get Exceptions, that
> > the
> > > components from the super class (MyOldGoodWicketPanel) are not found in
> > the
> > > subclass/ in the markup file of the sublclass...
> > >
> > > Can somebody explain me what happened?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dmitriy
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Same Panel, but Formatted in 2 Different Ways (Diff. Presentation)

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Grigorov
Hi,

It is possible by using different variants - MyPanel_variantA.html and
MyPanel_variantB.html
See Component#getVariant() method.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM, eugenebalt  wrote:

> Is it possible to have a Panel implemented in .java which has multiple
> .html's?
>
> We have a panel with the same data but different formatting.
>
>
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Re: Same Panel, but Formatted in 2 Different Ways (Diff. Presentation)

2013-02-04 Thread Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro
Use style and variation?

https://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/localization-and-skinning-of-applications.html

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM, eugenebalt  wrote:

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> .html's?
>
> We have a panel with the same data but different formatting.
>
>
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Re: Same Panel, but Formatted in 2 Different Ways (Diff. Presentation)

2013-02-04 Thread Paul Bors
I think variants are better for different platform such as a web browser on
a desktop VS a mobile phone.

Another way of doing it would be to use the VelocityPanel.

http://wicket.apache.org/apidocs/1.5/org/apache/wicket/velocity/markup/html/VelocityPanel.html

I would imagine you'd have a lot more refactoring on your hands :)

~ Thank you,
   Paul Bors

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro <
reier...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Use style and variation?
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/localization-and-skinning-of-applications.html
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM, eugenebalt  wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to have a Panel implemented in .java which has multiple
> > .html's?
> >
> > We have a panel with the same data but different formatting.
> >
> >
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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Mosmann

Am 04.02.2013 15:43, schrieb manuelbarzi:

Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+Click%22%2C+Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Seam
What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?

IMO, "selling" Wicket as Vaadin does, may help a lot.
I think, you should not compare wicket with vaadin. Wicket is not the 
right answer for every project. Wicket does not compete with vaadin, 
because wicket is a different hammer. The rise of "javascript apps" 
could change the future of web development, but for such a project you 
should not use wicket either. IMHO wicket is the better answer than 
struts, grails (if you have a long term maintenance cycle), jsf...


I think there are many wicket projects out there, but wicket is not the 
so called cool stuff like grails, spring roo and so on... nothing a 
developer likes to play with (which is IMHO a good thing). I think, this 
could be changed with wicket 6 (jquery build-in)... but it is a long way.


Michael


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RE: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Colin Rogers
In Australia it's almost non-existent. Mostly technology is 5 or 6 years behind 
the rest of the world, generally. Most places I've worked for here use JSP and 
Struts 1. Obviously there are plenty of places that do cutting edge stuff, but 
it's few and far between.

I work for the only company I know of that uses Wicket (they used it before I 
came, but it's the reason why I'm here). I do plenty of searches for Wicket 
based jobs, as I'm still a contractor and other than here, there is nothing. 
Guess that means I'm hoping to stick around! ;)

Okay, how's this for Sod's Law. I figure I should do a quick search on 
seek.com.au before making these claims, and another company in Melbourne 
mentions Wicket as a nice-to-have on a job description... :)

Col.

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Sent: 05 February 2013 08:33
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Subject: Re: Wicket job market

Am 04.02.2013 15:43, schrieb manuelbarzi:
>> Play Framework, Apache Click, Stripes, Struts, JSF, Seam
>> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%22Play+Framework%22%2C+%22Apache+C
>> lick%22%2C+Stripes%2C+Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Seam
>> What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?
> IMO, "selling" Wicket as Vaadin does, may help a lot.
I think, you should not compare wicket with vaadin. Wicket is not the right 
answer for every project. Wicket does not compete with vaadin, because wicket 
is a different hammer. The rise of "javascript apps"
could change the future of web development, but for such a project you should 
not use wicket either. IMHO wicket is the better answer than struts, grails (if 
you have a long term maintenance cycle), jsf...

I think there are many wicket projects out there, but wicket is not the so 
called cool stuff like grails, spring roo and so on... nothing a developer 
likes to play with (which is IMHO a good thing). I think, this could be changed 
with wicket 6 (jquery build-in)... but it is a long way.

Michael


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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread manuelbarzi
> I think, you should not compare wicket with vaadin. Wicket is not the right
> answer for every project. Wicket does not compete with vaadin, because
> wicket is a different hammer. The rise of "javascript apps" could change the
> future of web development, but for such a project you should not use wicket
> either. IMHO wicket is the better answer than struts, grails (if you have a
> long term maintenance cycle), jsf...
>
> I think there are many wicket projects out there, but wicket is not the so
> called cool stuff like grails, spring roo and so on... nothing a developer
> likes to play with (which is IMHO a good thing). I think, this could be
> changed with wicket 6 (jquery build-in)... but it is a long way.

your loosing the focus pretended to be justify before: "marketing",
not tech. and many people "first see", later "think" :)

nobody was comparing Wicket with Vaadin, neither technically and
neither in any other similar aspects. but you seem to defend so it in
your mail. Vaadin is just mentioned as a good example (like it or not)
that gains a lot of adepts just because of its "cool marketing
presentation" at its website (in terms of style, look & feel, and
"special effects"). that's all. so could be any other tech that
applies similar commercial strategies.

just to give you an example: from many persons i know, who have
decision power in projects, and they have no idea about wicket, they
just say: "does wicket really have serious projects? is it actually
used? cause i see that GWT or Vaadin seem much more "worked",
professional, and nice". and you cannot pretend them to perfeclty
understand the differences between techs because they have no enough
technical skills to do so. sad (not really, is a nice feedback to
learn from) but true.

Wicket is probably the best most of us have ever enjoyed before. but
let's be realistic, there's the nice paradox of "non competitive
presentation of this presentation framework" yet, to be sold to "not
enough tech skilled" people, who are decision makers. they just want
to see "nice cinema". then, why not adding that to Wicket site, and be
more "marketineers" too?

i think we may all agree that in general, open-source projects in
Apache have a big lack of "cool presentation and marketing". and
marketing it is not a concept that goes against open-source, of
course. there are many nice open-source projects that do sell
them-selves well in their sites.

one nice idea could be: why not opening a competition to create a more
"marketineer" presentation of Wicket tech?

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Re: Wicket job market

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Mosmann
I agree with you.

The one thing i would say:if you want to have a nice presentation of vaadin,it 
comes out of the box,because thats a vaadin feature:nice presentation. No other 
framework has it such easy:)

So lets start a competition...

Michael:)



manuelbarzi  schrieb:

>> I think, you should not compare wicket with vaadin. Wicket is not the
>right
>> answer for every project. Wicket does not compete with vaadin,
>because
>> wicket is a different hammer. The rise of "javascript apps" could
>change the
>> future of web development, but for such a project you should not use
>wicket
>> either. IMHO wicket is the better answer than struts, grails (if you
>have a
>> long term maintenance cycle), jsf...
>>
>> I think there are many wicket projects out there, but wicket is not
>the so
>> called cool stuff like grails, spring roo and so on... nothing a
>developer
>> likes to play with (which is IMHO a good thing). I think, this could
>be
>> changed with wicket 6 (jquery build-in)... but it is a long way.
>
>your loosing the focus pretended to be justify before: "marketing",
>not tech. and many people "first see", later "think" :)
>
>nobody was comparing Wicket with Vaadin, neither technically and
>neither in any other similar aspects. but you seem to defend so it in
>your mail. Vaadin is just mentioned as a good example (like it or not)
>that gains a lot of adepts just because of its "cool marketing
>presentation" at its website (in terms of style, look & feel, and
>"special effects"). that's all. so could be any other tech that
>applies similar commercial strategies.
>
>just to give you an example: from many persons i know, who have
>decision power in projects, and they have no idea about wicket, they
>just say: "does wicket really have serious projects? is it actually
>used? cause i see that GWT or Vaadin seem much more "worked",
>professional, and nice". and you cannot pretend them to perfeclty
>understand the differences between techs because they have no enough
>technical skills to do so. sad (not really, is a nice feedback to
>learn from) but true.
>
>Wicket is probably the best most of us have ever enjoyed before. but
>let's be realistic, there's the nice paradox of "non competitive
>presentation of this presentation framework" yet, to be sold to "not
>enough tech skilled" people, who are decision makers. they just want
>to see "nice cinema". then, why not adding that to Wicket site, and be
>more "marketineers" too?
>
>i think we may all agree that in general, open-source projects in
>Apache have a big lack of "cool presentation and marketing". and
>marketing it is not a concept that goes against open-source, of
>course. there are many nice open-source projects that do sell
>them-selves well in their sites.
>
>one nice idea could be: why not opening a competition to create a more
>"marketineer" presentation of Wicket tech?
>
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Deployment models (was: Re: Wicket job market)

2013-02-04 Thread Emmanouil Batsis (Manos)

On 02/04/2013 02:05 PM, Philippe Demaison wrote:

What needs to be improved to get a wider adoption of Wicket ?


That is probably the most relevant subject IMHO.

FWIW, a largely disruptive factor is a new but increasingly important 
business/deployment model, that of the cross-domain, embedded 
client-side app.


Imagine you have an webapp that does XYZ and you offer that as a 
service. You may want to allow your clients to embed this functionality 
using Ajax+JSONP+cross domain (VS an iframe), i.e. embed your app by 
offering a pure javascript client. That's what I'm currently missing 
from wicket. This actually forces me to largely rewrite app by exposing 
REST interfaces and patching up a REST javascript client from scratch 
using something like backbone.js.


Just my 0.25.

Manos

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Re: Wicket dataprovider query / search time

2013-02-04 Thread Rob Audenaerde
The problem is that there are two calls to the DAO,  one for size and one for 
iterator. They both take time. I can make these methods return compound objects 
that also return the call duration, or wrap the calls in the DataProvider. I 
would also need a call to collect this total amount of time. For this I could 
use a model that wraps a time collector variable in the DataProvider. 



Op 4 feb. 2013 om 17:44 heft "Francois Meillet"  
het volgende geschreven:

> Try to collect the search method's duration in your DAO.
> 
> François
> 
> Le 4 févr. 2013 à 16:36, Rob Audenaerde  a écrit 
> :
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I'm displaying (Lucene)search results in Wicket using a DataTable. The 
>> Datatable uses a IDataProvider to populate the toolbars and cells.
>> 
>> I try to figure out the amount of time it took to do the query. A typical 
>> query involves calls to
>> 
>> * size(...)
>> * iterator(...)
>> * model(..)
>> 
>> What would be a good approach to count the time spend in these methods? I 
>> can implement stuff like System.currentTimeMillis() in each of these calls, 
>> but what would be the 'proper' place to do this? 
>> 
>> And also, I would like to display this time in a Toolbar, so somehow I 
>> should make sure when the 'dataloading' part is done. Any hints? 
>> 
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14686739/wicket-dataprovider-query-search-time
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -Rob
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