Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
The best way is the Review button.. Once you have checked "reviewed" them they will not come up again. http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XWikiCoreResources?action=review&language=de We don't yet have a trusted reviewers group but it would be great to have one at one point. So for now anybody can review. I think the process should be that a review is a second chance to check translations before considering them valid. Ludovic hel-o a écrit : > Hi, > > i decided to review all german translations because i found they are not > really consistent. > > So i used the "View All" option, but when i save one result page i have to > get back to the "View All" again and (i'm not sure) but i think the terms > are not in the same order when i call the same result page twice (very bad > for reviewing all terms). > > Whats the best way to edit and review all translation terms of a language? > > Thanks > hel. > > > Ludovic Dubost-2 wrote: > >> Henning Sprang a écrit : >> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge >>> wrote: >>> >>> > A XWiki Glossar would be a good thing. > > >>> Good idea ! ;) >>> >>> >>> >> ... >> >>> Having something in the real translation tool where a wiki page with >>> discussions and comments from translaters can be listed and checked >>> would be interesting, I think. >>> >>> >> Well each language has a wiki page. >> >> http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_en >> http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_de >> http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_fr >> >> And comments can be used. The big question is how to make people >> realize there are comments. >> >> >>> And maybe also, in the same place, a link to a place in the wiki in >>> the language of choice where the string is used, so it can be seen in >>> context. Including the english version for comparison ;) >>> >>> >>> >> That would be nice but it's not so easy to know on which url the string >> is used.. We could find the template or wiki page and provide a URL to >> the source. But right now this is too much work for the translation tool >> developer (which happened to be me until now) >> >> Ludovic >> >> >>> Henning >>> ___ >>> users mailing list >>> users@xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Ludovic Dubost >> Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ >> XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com >> Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> > > > - > hel. > h...@hel.at > > -- Ludovic Dubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi, i decided to review all german translations because i found they are not really consistent. So i used the "View All" option, but when i save one result page i have to get back to the "View All" again and (i'm not sure) but i think the terms are not in the same order when i call the same result page twice (very bad for reviewing all terms). Whats the best way to edit and review all translation terms of a language? Thanks hel. Ludovic Dubost-2 wrote: > > Henning Sprang a écrit : >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge >> wrote: >> A XWiki Glossar would be a good thing. >> >> Good idea ! ;) >> >> > ... >> >> Having something in the real translation tool where a wiki page with >> discussions and comments from translaters can be listed and checked >> would be interesting, I think. >> > Well each language has a wiki page. > > http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_en > http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_de > http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_fr > > And comments can be used. The big question is how to make people > realize there are comments. > >> And maybe also, in the same place, a link to a place in the wiki in >> the language of choice where the string is used, so it can be seen in >> context. Including the english version for comparison ;) >> >> > That would be nice but it's not so easy to know on which url the string > is used.. We could find the template or wiki page and provide a URL to > the source. But right now this is too much work for the translation tool > developer (which happened to be me until now) > > Ludovic > >> Henning >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> > > > -- > Ludovic Dubost > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ > XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com > Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > - hel. h...@hel.at -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Translation-Volunteers-needed-tp2362141p2429301.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Henning Sprang a écrit : > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > wrote: > >>> A XWiki Glossar would be a good thing. >>> > > Good idea ! ;) > > >>> Also some place for discussion of terms would be good. >>> >>> >> Well, what we can for now is that you keep a list of terms you're not sure >> ho to translate. Once you have 10 or 20 of them, you post them here on the >> list with your suggestions and we work together to decide on a term. Once >> this is done you can input them in the transation tool. >> WDYT? >> > > Would be some start. > > Having something in the real translation tool where a wiki page with > discussions and comments from translaters can be listed and checked > would be interesting, I think. > Well each language has a wiki page. http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_en http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_de http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XEXWikiCoreResources_667368132_xe-statistics-alltime_fr And comments can be used.. The big question is how to make people realize there are comments. > And maybe also, in the same place, a link to a place in the wiki in > the language of choice where the string is used, so it can be seen in > context. Including the english version for comparison ;) > > That would be nice but it's not so easy to know on which url the string is used.. We could find the template or wiki page and provide a URL to the source. But right now this is too much work for the translation tool developer (which happened to be me until now) Ludovic > Henning > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > -- Ludovic Dubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi JJ, I've seen that you have actually finished updating the translations on l10n.xwiki.org. You've beaten German to the finish line :) This is great. Let us know if you have other updates. We could look into merging from your ApplicationResources file but this could be a bit difficult. Using the translation tool kind of requires using the web site as the reference. Ludovic Jose Javier García Zornoza a écrit : > Hello > I've been working with XWiki enterprise 1.8-rc-1 and I have an improved > version of the Spanish translation than the one that comes with the > distribution. > Till Friday my connection to Internet must be with a GPRS modem with a > very deficient connection, I've tried to use the translation application > but with my actual connection is a pain. I have the > ApplicationResources_es.properties, is this file of interest for > anyone?, is there anyone working on the Spanish translation? > > Thanks. > JJ > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > -- Ludovic Dubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hello I've been working with XWiki enterprise 1.8-rc-1 and I have an improved version of the Spanish translation than the one that comes with the distribution. Till Friday my connection to Internet must be with a GPRS modem with a very deficient connection, I've tried to use the translation application but with my actual connection is a pain. I have the ApplicationResources_es.properties, is this file of interest for anyone?, is there anyone working on the Spanish translation? Thanks. JJ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi Helmut, thanks for your time and effort :-) Will translations in status review be in the new release. And is someone else contributing to the german translation (would be good to know). They'll be included in the new release if they're ready by the end of the week. Made some translations and think there are some problems the way it is done now. Missing the context it is somtimes hard to tell what is ment, or if there should be a space at the end That's because of the way I handled some translations (I made some beginner's mistakes). See http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XPWATCHLIST-48for the full explanation. To find where any given transation string is used, you can browse XWiki's source code using an IDE's search function, looking for the string name => it will return the name of the document where the string is used, useful for context. In the 'Latest Translations' part of the translation wiki theres a filter funktion which would be great for the rest to. I think its really important that there is a possibility to compare translations of similar words ... Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > > > Well, what we can for now is that you keep a list of terms you're not sure > ho to translate. Once you have 10 or 20 of them, you post them here on the > list with your suggestions and we work together to decide on a term. Once > this is done you can input them in the transation tool. > WDYT? > Guillaume > > Thats ok, also i think a space in the wiki where a page for questions for each language, information who is working on the translation of the language would be more effective. So some terms im not sure Page and document seems to be used for the same thing "tdwimgdoc XWiki Document" "panelwizard . pagelayout Page Layout" "rightsmanager . documentrequireviewrights (*) Some documents require special rights to be view." and sometimes not (office importer). "nodocstoimport No documents found in the selected archive" Is a Document always a attached File or imported Document? Page is sometimes instead of XWiki Document Document can be either XWiki Document or Office Document or Attached Document I'd recommend using Page instead of XWiki Document, Document for Office documents (word, excel, PDF...) and File for attached documents. Somtimes specific terms are translated, i don't know, but for some terms its quite hard to find a good translation and it would be better not to translate them. Space - Rubrik Shedule Space - ?Aufgabensteuerungsrubrik? Pool - ?Pool? Job - ?Aufgabe? Job type - ?Aufgabentyp? Shedule - ?Aufgabensteuerung? Technical terms do not necessarily need to be translated.Typically, the terms you highlight above are used in the Scheduler, which will most likely be used only by an admin and not by standard users. Thus you may not need to translate it. Another question is, should the translation be formal or informal? We're aiming at enterprise use, thus probably formal. Thanks to you :-) Guillaume -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype ID : wikibc http://guillaumelerouge.com/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi, some more questions: Will translations in status review be in the new release. And is someone else contributing to the german translation (would be good to know). Made some translations and think there are some problems the way it is done now. Missing the context it is somtimes hard to tell what is ment, or if there should be a space at the end In the 'Latest Translations' part of the translation wiki theres a filter funktion which would be great for the rest to. I think its really important that there is a possibility to compare translations of similar words ... Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > > > Well, what we can for now is that you keep a list of terms you're not sure > ho to translate. Once you have 10 or 20 of them, you post them here on the > list with your suggestions and we work together to decide on a term. Once > this is done you can input them in the transation tool. > WDYT? > Guillaume > > Thats ok, also i think a space in the wiki where a page for questions for each language, information who is working on the translation of the language would be more effective. So some terms im not sure Page and document seems to be used for the same thing "tdwimgdoc XWiki Document" "panelwizard . pagelayout Page Layout" "rightsmanager . documentrequireviewrights (*) Some documents require special rights to be view." and sometimes not (office importer). "nodocstoimport No documents found in the selected archive" Is a Document always a attached File or imported Document? Somtimes specific terms are translated, i don't know, but for some terms its quite hard to find a good translation and it would be better not to translate them. Space - Rubrik Shedule Space - ?Aufgabensteuerungsrubrik? Pool - ?Pool? Job - ?Aufgabe? Job type - ?Aufgabentyp? Shedule - ?Aufgabensteuerung? Another question is, should the translation be formal or informal? Thanks - hel. h...@hel.at -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Translation-Volunteers-needed-tp2362141p2411193.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi, On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Henning Sprang wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > wrote: > >> A XWiki Glossar would be a good thing. > > Good idea ! ;) > > >> Also some place for discussion of terms would be good. > >> > > Well, what we can for now is that you keep a list of terms you're not > sure > > ho to translate. Once you have 10 or 20 of them, you post them here on > the > > list with your suggestions and we work together to decide on a term. Once > > this is done you can input them in the transation tool. > > WDYT? > > Would be some start. > > Having something in the real translation tool where a wiki page with > discussions and comments from translaters can be listed and checked > would be interesting, I think. > > And maybe also, in the same place, a link to a place in the wiki in > the language of choice where the string is used, so it can be seen in > context. Including the english version for comparison ;) That would be great but maybe not to expect in the short term. The method I use to find where strings are located is through Eclipse's search feature. It's quite effective, but it requires that you have a full XWiki development environment setup. Otherwise you may be able to find it by googling using the following query: ' site:svn.xwiki.org "your.translation.string.here" ' (but I'm not sure the Google index is up-to-date enough as of today). It should return the name of the page, as in: http://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/platform/xwiki-applications/trunk/administration/src/main/resources/XWiki/ResetPassword.xml Where XWiki/ResetPassword.xml is the name of the page where the string is located. Not optimal, but at least this exists :-) Hope this helps, Guillaume > Henning > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype ID : wikibc http://guillaumelerouge.com/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: >> A XWiki Glossar would be a good thing. Good idea ! ;) >> Also some place for discussion of terms would be good. >> > Well, what we can for now is that you keep a list of terms you're not sure > ho to translate. Once you have 10 or 20 of them, you post them here on the > list with your suggestions and we work together to decide on a term. Once > this is done you can input them in the transation tool. > WDYT? Would be some start. Having something in the real translation tool where a wiki page with discussions and comments from translaters can be listed and checked would be interesting, I think. And maybe also, in the same place, a link to a place in the wiki in the language of choice where the string is used, so it can be seen in context. Including the english version for comparison ;) Henning ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi, On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:51 AM, hel-o wrote: > > A XWiki Glossar would be a good thing. Indeed, it's quite informal right now. > It could especially help to create a more consistent terminology for the > translation. > > Also some place for discussion of terms would be good. > Well, what we can for now is that you keep a list of terms you're not sure ho to translate. Once you have 10 or 20 of them, you post them here on the list with your suggestions and we work together to decide on a term. Once this is done you can input them in the transation tool. WDYT? Guillaume > hel. > > > Ludovic Dubost-2 wrote: > > > > > > For the volunteers, the workflow is: > > > > 1/ Register on http://l10n.xwiki.org > > 2/ Visit http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XWikiCoreResources > > 3/ Click "view empty" next to the language you want to work on > > > > For german: > > > http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XWikiCoreResources?action=viewempty&language=de > > > > 4/ Start filling and don't forget to hit save. > > > > For now this will help make a lot of progress. Once we are up to date > > there are some more advanced functions but we don't need them now. > > > > Ludovic > > > > Ludovic Dubost a écrit : > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Guillaume (Lerouge) has done incredible work to transform all > >> hardcoded strings in XWiki Enterprise to translations strings. > >> > >> We now have 620 translations strings more > >> > >> So we need all the help we can to get these translated before 1.8 > >> final. I think we can achieve the following languages: > >> > >> French: 622 translations to do > >> German: 629 translations to do > >> Romanian: 1516 translations to do > >> > >> French and German were complete before we added the 620 more > >> translations, and Romanian we HAVE to be able to do it with the number > >> of romanians in the team ! > >> Guillaume will coordinate the French translation. We need a volunteer > >> from the Romanian team to coordinate the Ro translation. > >> > >> Let me know if there are volunteers to coordinate the translations > >> effort in Geman or other languages before the final 1.8 release. > >> > >> Ludovic > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> users mailing list > >> users@xwiki.org > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ludovic Dubost > > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ > > XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com > > Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost > > > > ___ > > users mailing list > > users@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > > - > Helmut Lehner > h...@hel.at > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Translation-Volunteers-needed-tp2362141p2371502.html > Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype ID : wikibc http://guillaumelerouge.com/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
A XWiki Glossar would be a good thing. It could especially help to create a more consistent terminology for the translation. Also some place for discussion of terms would be good. hel. Ludovic Dubost-2 wrote: > > > For the volunteers, the workflow is: > > 1/ Register on http://l10n.xwiki.org > 2/ Visit http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XWikiCoreResources > 3/ Click "view empty" next to the language you want to work on > > For german: > http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XWikiCoreResources?action=viewempty&language=de > > 4/ Start filling and don't forget to hit save. > > For now this will help make a lot of progress. Once we are up to date > there are some more advanced functions but we don't need them now. > > Ludovic > > Ludovic Dubost a écrit : >> >> Hi, >> >> Guillaume (Lerouge) has done incredible work to transform all >> hardcoded strings in XWiki Enterprise to translations strings. >> >> We now have 620 translations strings more >> >> So we need all the help we can to get these translated before 1.8 >> final. I think we can achieve the following languages: >> >> French: 622 translations to do >> German: 629 translations to do >> Romanian: 1516 translations to do >> >> French and German were complete before we added the 620 more >> translations, and Romanian we HAVE to be able to do it with the number >> of romanians in the team ! >> Guillaume will coordinate the French translation. We need a volunteer >> from the Romanian team to coordinate the Ro translation. >> >> Let me know if there are volunteers to coordinate the translations >> effort in Geman or other languages before the final 1.8 release. >> >> Ludovic >> >> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > -- > Ludovic Dubost > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ > XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com > Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > - Helmut Lehner h...@hel.at -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Translation-Volunteers-needed-tp2362141p2371502.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
For the volunteers, the workflow is: 1/ Register on http://l10n.xwiki.org 2/ Visit http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XWikiCoreResources 3/ Click "view empty" next to the language you want to work on For german: http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XE/XWikiCoreResources?action=viewempty&language=de 4/ Start filling and don't forget to hit save. For now this will help make a lot of progress. Once we are up to date there are some more advanced functions but we don't need them now. Ludovic Ludovic Dubost a écrit : > > Hi, > > Guillaume (Lerouge) has done incredible work to transform all > hardcoded strings in XWiki Enterprise to translations strings. > > We now have 620 translations strings more > > So we need all the help we can to get these translated before 1.8 > final. I think we can achieve the following languages: > > French: 622 translations to do > German: 629 translations to do > Romanian: 1516 translations to do > > French and German were complete before we added the 620 more > translations, and Romanian we HAVE to be able to do it with the number > of romanians in the team ! > Guillaume will coordinate the French translation. We need a volunteer > from the Romanian team to coordinate the Ro translation. > > Let me know if there are volunteers to coordinate the translations > effort in Geman or other languages before the final 1.8 release. > > Ludovic > > > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Ludovic Dubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Our localization tool is here: http://l10n.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/L10N/ Register yourself to create an account, then login. You can then look for missing translations for any given language and propose new translations. Committers will then review them before applying the updated patch. Guillaume On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Sime Suljic wrote: > > We now have 620 translations strings more > > > But where is the file ApplicationResources.properties? > > Bests, sime > > ___ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype ID : wikibc http://guillaumelerouge.com/ ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
> We now have 620 translations strings more But where is the file ApplicationResources.properties? Bests, sime ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi, On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Ludovic Dubost wrote: > So we need all the help we can to get these translated before 1.8 final. I > think we can achieve the following languages: I can also help with German, and I already asked about the exact workflow on the translations 20 days ago - because I saw some flaws in the existing translation strings. So, how to do it? Henning ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[xwiki-users] Translation Volunteers needed
Hi, Guillaume (Lerouge) has done incredible work to transform all hardcoded strings in XWiki Enterprise to translations strings. We now have 620 translations strings more So we need all the help we can to get these translated before 1.8 final. I think we can achieve the following languages: French: 622 translations to do German: 629 translations to do Romanian: 1516 translations to do French and German were complete before we added the 620 more translations, and Romanian we HAVE to be able to do it with the number of romanians in the team ! Guillaume will coordinate the French translation. We need a volunteer from the Romanian team to coordinate the Ro translation. Let me know if there are volunteers to coordinate the translations effort in Geman or other languages before the final 1.8 release. Ludovic -- Ludovic Dubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
