[Veritas-bu] Netbackup very slow
Dear All really I appreiated your helping and support last time . I face some problem with my Netbackup 5.0 which is installed under HP UX 11i in my enviroment ,we have 3 server the details as fallows : svr1 svr2 contains database ,netbackup installed on svr3 ,last time all policy jobs completed successfly but before 2 weeks there are no job completed because the job speed very small regarding the backup size (200 Gb) .Really I'm on problem now and I need your help soon. TQ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
Hi All Got a major outage - 1 Media Server lost 400GB Disk. New disk in place, trying to restore, but throughput is BAD BAD BAD! Backups were done using multiple streams (4 streams per tape drive). I kicked off one RESTORE job to restore ALL Data to this one drive. Is there a benefit to kicking off multiple restores for Data on this volume? Thanks Regards Simon Weaver This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available
Netbackup 5.0Mp7 on Solaris9 servers with Solaris clients and Windows clients. Connected to L25 unit. Can anyone explain why i am getting all my jobs fail with status 52 yet i have scratch available? I run ITC so 2 drives are used at the same time. Now looking in /usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors i can see a positioning error for a tape which is assigned to my daily pool and is what the jobs are trying to use. what i dont get is why are jobs failing and not just marking that tape as bad, freezing it and picking another? Any ideas? I dont know the criteria for tapes to be frozen as on other systems they seem to freeze quite easily :( Dave ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
Ive ended up leaving the job as is for now - It looks like its behaving as expected. Starting to think that the Multiplex settings may have something to do with this, so will keep an eye on this... Thanks anyhow Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Justin Piszcz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:42 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, WEAVER, Simon (external) wrote: Hi All Got a major outage - 1 Media Server lost 400GB Disk. New disk in place, trying to restore, but throughput is BAD BAD BAD! Backups were done using multiple streams (4 streams per tape drive). I kicked off one RESTORE job to restore ALL Data to this one drive. Is there a benefit to kicking off multiple restores for Data on this volume? Thanks Regards Simon Weaver If you are only restoring to one disk, probably not. Justin. This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
Hi Simon, This is unfortunately the trade off of using multiple streams, the backup are fast but recovery is ssllooww. Regards, Clem Kruger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: 19 July 2007 11:11 AM To: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Importance: High Hi All Got a major outage - 1 Media Server lost 400GB Disk. New disk in place, trying to restore, but throughput is BAD BAD BAD! Backups were done using multiple streams (4 streams per tape drive). I kicked off one RESTORE job to restore ALL Data to this one drive. Is there a benefit to kicking off multiple restores for Data on this volume? Thanks Regards Simon Weaver This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ~~ This e-mail and its contents are subject to the Telkom SA Limited e-mail legal notice available at http://www.telkom.co.za/TelkomEMailLegalNotice.PDF ~~ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available
Dave Just a quick shot, what does tpconfig -d show? Is it all jobs from this Server Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Markham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:52 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available Netbackup 5.0Mp7 on Solaris9 servers with Solaris clients and Windows clients. Connected to L25 unit. Can anyone explain why i am getting all my jobs fail with status 52 yet i have scratch available? I run ITC so 2 drives are used at the same time. Now looking in /usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors i can see a positioning error for a tape which is assigned to my daily pool and is what the jobs are trying to use. what i dont get is why are jobs failing and not just marking that tape as bad, freezing it and picking another? Any ideas? I dont know the criteria for tapes to be frozen as on other systems they seem to freeze quite easily :( Dave ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available
Yeah its just one master/media server with network based clients. There are no tapes stuck in the drives and tpconfig -d shows all up and using robtest shows no tapes in the drives either so i dont think its a stuck tape :( D WEAVER, Simon (external) wrote: Dave Just a quick shot, what does tpconfig -d show? Is it all jobs from this Server Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Markham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:52 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available Netbackup 5.0Mp7 on Solaris9 servers with Solaris clients and Windows clients. Connected to L25 unit. Can anyone explain why i am getting all my jobs fail with status 52 yet i have scratch available? I run ITC so 2 drives are used at the same time. Now looking in /usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors i can see a positioning error for a tape which is assigned to my daily pool and is what the jobs are trying to use. what i dont get is why are jobs failing and not just marking that tape as bad, freezing it and picking another? Any ideas? I dont know the criteria for tapes to be frozen as on other systems they seem to freeze quite easily :( Dave ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England Yeah its ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
No, If you select all data then netbackup will read the tape ones. There is another problem. Try to put NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS_RESTORE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:11 PM To: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Importance: High Hi All Got a major outage - 1 Media Server lost 400GB Disk. New disk in place, trying to restore, but throughput is BAD BAD BAD! Backups were done using multiple streams (4 streams per tape drive). I kicked off one RESTORE job to restore ALL Data to this one drive. Is there a benefit to kicking off multiple restores for Data on this volume? Thanks Regards Simon Weaver This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup very slow
The most common reasons I've seen for slow backups: 1) Networking - If you're using 100BaseT make sure the card in the HP server AND the associated switch port are hard set to 100 MB / Full Duplex - They do NOT handle autonegotiate well at all. 2) Make sure you're backing up where you think you are. I've seen slowness when I expected one media server to handle a backup/restore and on looking into it (usually on restores) found I'd not done the necessary to insure it was using the correct media server so the backup was going over the network to the from one media server to another and then via fibre to the library. (Most of our big DB servers are media servers.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nizar motasim Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:04 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup very slow Dear All really I appreiated your helping and support last time . I face some problem with my Netbackup 5.0 which is installed under HP UX 11i in my enviroment ,we have 3 server the details as fallows : svr1 svr2 contains database ,netbackup installed on svr3 ,last time all policy jobs completed successfly but before 2 weeks there are no job completed because the job speed very small regarding the backup size (200 Gb) .Really I'm on problem now and I need your help soon. TQ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger http://g.msn.com/8HMAEN/2734??PS=47575 Download today it's FREE! ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available
Not sure why you think scratch has anything to do with it. If no tapes were available you'd get a completely different error. 52 to me usually makes me look at the tape or the drive that was trying to be used to mount it. If you're seeing this on every drive and tape then it suggests a more global problem like robot arm or hand issue. Looking at the Library's diagnostic codes (e.g. FSC codes on an L700) might help. bperror -statuscode 52 timed out waiting for media manager to mount volume The requested volume was not mounted before the timeout expired. This error can also occur if the volume happens to be a cleaning tape but was not specified as a cleaning tape. Another possible cause: if the last available drive has a mount request for a non-backup (such as a restore), then a backup requiring the same drive is initiated before the mount completes. This is due to the drive not being reported as busy until the mount completes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Markham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:12 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available Yeah its just one master/media server with network based clients. There are no tapes stuck in the drives and tpconfig -d shows all up and using robtest shows no tapes in the drives either so i dont think its a stuck tape :( D WEAVER, Simon (external) wrote: Dave Just a quick shot, what does tpconfig -d show? Is it all jobs from this Server Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Markham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:52 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available Netbackup 5.0Mp7 on Solaris9 servers with Solaris clients and Windows clients. Connected to L25 unit. Can anyone explain why i am getting all my jobs fail with status 52 yet i have scratch available? I run ITC so 2 drives are used at the same time. Now looking in /usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors i can see a positioning error for a tape which is assigned to my daily pool and is what the jobs are trying to use. what i dont get is why are jobs failing and not just marking that tape as bad, freezing it and picking another? Any ideas? I dont know the criteria for tapes to be frozen as on other systems they seem to freeze quite easily :( Dave ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England Yeah its ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Recycler Directory
We disable the recycle bin. If you hit delete and hit yes it's gone. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:22 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows Recycler Directory I have noticed that the recycler directories on some of our servers grow rather large. They are also a pain to clean up since they are tied to the admin of the files. I'm thinking of excluding them from our servers on daily backups but that might be a pain to go setup exclusion lists on our servers. I don't want to disable the Recycle bins in case someone does something silly from the server console. How do you handle your recycler directories? Karl-Frédéric Rossing, Technical Services phone: 204-786-6431 fax:204-784-6755 toll free: 1-800-665-1934 www.federated.ca CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or legally privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual(s) or organization(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email and its attachments from your system. Thank you. ATT1134912.gif___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBWin - 5.1MP5 Veritas logo spins forever [C1]
Hi Misha, Try to run Java based GUI from the master server directly using a XWindow client on your windows system. Also, if you run the console from the W2K, try to bounce nbu services on the server, bpps -f stop and then bpps -f start, or even bounce the server as Windows needs it on regular basis. Regards, Boris SysAdminZone.org On 7/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solaris master and 4 media servers plus 1 W2K serverdedicated for restores of Windows, Lotus Notes servers and NAS directories off the NetApp. NDMP agent on one of the media servers to NetApp. NBWin ( Backup, Archive and Restore Windows GUI ) is hanging forever, showing the spinning Veritas triangle logo. NBWin log file shows: 1:55:16.546 PM: [2104.2176] 4 bpio::bread: INF - read timeout 1:55:16.546 PM: [2104.2176] 16 bpio::read_string: ERR - can't read string length (err = -1) 1:55:16.546 PM: [2104.2176] 16 OV_SHORT OV_NB_RQST_PROTO::OVPC_RecvFileList: ERR - unable to read file list info (err=-1) Anyone seen this ? Seems to me that GUI is timing out on getting the catalog data off the master server. Which deamon on master server provides the GUI with bpdbm data ? TIA -- Misha Pavlov Société Générale desk: (212) 278-6096 cell: (646) 346-9341 This message uses only 100% recycled electrons. * This message and any attachments (the message) are confidential and intended solely for the addressees. Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. E-mails are susceptible to alteration. Neither SOCIETE GENERALE nor any of its subsidiaries or affiliates shall be liable for the message if altered, changed or falsified. * ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] How do I backup thee, Let me count the ways .
Here are some of the options that I thought of for starters ... can anyone add to the list? 1. Traditional direct to tape backup via media server 2. Direct to tape via SAN media server/client 3. Snapshot 4. Mirrored disk 5. Proprietary application backup to flat file first 6. Database exports to disk first 7. Agent based hot backups 8. D2D2T or VTL type solutions /prefont face=ArialThis e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information of Northwestern Mutual. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify Northwestern Mutual immediately by returning it to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Please be advised that communications received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center are secure. Communications that are not received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center may not be secure and could be observed by a third party. Thank you for your cooperation./fontpre ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available
Based on Jeff's comments and this may sound daft, have you re-run device storage configuration wizard ? See if it is picking up the drives and robot? Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available Not sure why you think scratch has anything to do with it. If no tapes were available you'd get a completely different error. 52 to me usually makes me look at the tape or the drive that was trying to be used to mount it. If you're seeing this on every drive and tape then it suggests a more global problem like robot arm or hand issue. Looking at the Library's diagnostic codes (e.g. FSC codes on an L700) might help. bperror -statuscode 52 timed out waiting for media manager to mount volume The requested volume was not mounted before the timeout expired. This error can also occur if the volume happens to be a cleaning tape but was not specified as a cleaning tape. Another possible cause: if the last available drive has a mount request for a non-backup (such as a restore), then a backup requiring the same drive is initiated before the mount completes. This is due to the drive not being reported as busy until the mount completes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Markham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:12 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available Yeah its just one master/media server with network based clients. There are no tapes stuck in the drives and tpconfig -d shows all up and using robtest shows no tapes in the drives either so i dont think its a stuck tape :( D WEAVER, Simon (external) wrote: Dave Just a quick shot, what does tpconfig -d show? Is it all jobs from this Server Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Markham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:52 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Status 52 but scratch available Netbackup 5.0Mp7 on Solaris9 servers with Solaris clients and Windows clients. Connected to L25 unit. Can anyone explain why i am getting all my jobs fail with status 52 yet i have scratch available? I run ITC so 2 drives are used at the same time. Now looking in /usr/openv/netbackup/db/media/errors i can see a positioning error for a tape which is assigned to my daily pool and is what the jobs are trying to use. what i dont get is why are jobs failing and not just marking that tape as bad, freezing it and picking another? Any ideas? I dont know the criteria for tapes to be frozen as on other systems they seem to freeze quite easily :( Dave ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England Yeah its ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office:
Re: [Veritas-bu] How do I backup thee, Let me count the ways .
EMC Symmetrix BCV (disk to disk within same frame) and SRDF (disk from one frame to disk in another). Standby Database - create duplicate of your DB on another server - automatically copy the archive logs from PROD to Standby server and run the logs there on a scheduled basis to keep that DB as near up to date with the source DB as possible. At one job we did this - archive logs copied immediately but there was a 6 hour hold before applying - just in case whatever crapped out PROD made it to the logs we'd have time to stop it form applying the bad one. RMAN - Uses DB repository to backup oracle DBs going to any of the other methods supported by your backup software. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:36 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] How do I backup thee, Let me count the ways . Here are some of the options that I thought of for starters ... can anyone add to the list? 1. Traditional direct to tape backup via media server 2. Direct to tape via SAN media server/client 3. Snapshot 4. Mirrored disk 5. Proprietary application backup to flat file first 6. Database exports to disk first 7. Agent based hot backups 8. D2D2T or VTL type solutions This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information of Northwestern Mutual. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify Northwestern Mutual immediately by returning it to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Please be advised that communications received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center are secure. Communications that are not received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center may not be secure and could be observed by a third party. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
Yes, they will learn from this! Still, at least I know it's a long wait :-) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clem Kruger (C) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:05 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Hi Simon, This is unfortunately the trade off of using multiple streams, the backup are fast but recovery is ssllooww. Regards, Clem Kruger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: 19 July 2007 11:11 AM To: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Importance: High Hi All Got a major outage - 1 Media Server lost 400GB Disk. New disk in place, trying to restore, but throughput is BAD BAD BAD! Backups were done using multiple streams (4 streams per tape drive). I kicked off one RESTORE job to restore ALL Data to this one drive. Is there a benefit to kicking off multiple restores for Data on this volume? Thanks Regards Simon Weaver This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ~~ This e-mail and its contents are subject to the Telkom SA Limited e-mail legal notice available at http://www.telkom.co.za/TelkomEMailLegalNotice.PDF ~~ This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1
Just a warm warning: its related to Unix 5.x paltaform. Looking inside: Notice of Timelines for End of Life, End of Standard Support, and End of Support Life for NetBackup 5.x and Storage Migrator for UNIX 5.x Tanks, Paulo Prado - Original Message From: Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:01:56 PM Subject: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1 This documented was published July 16, 2007 and addressed to Symantec Customers http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/290017.pdf End of life Start Date: October 5, 2005. New Date for End of Standard Support and Start of Partial Support: March 31, 2008 End of Support Life: December 1, 2008 The definitions are in the document and apply to Veritas NetBackup Server and Veritas NetBackup Enterprise Server both versions 5.0 and 5.1. …/Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love: http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
Learning is fun - I remember when we first worked with DLT robots. Management couldn't believe that the tapes were so expensive so said there should be no retention longer than 6 months. At 7 months they were surprised when they found out they couldn't restore one of the first backups run. They learned then that tapes are relatively cheap compared to not having saved a 6 month old source code backup of code not modified in the last year that developers had inadvertently wiped out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:42 AM To: 'Clem Kruger (C)'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Yes, they will learn from this! Still, at least I know it's a long wait :-) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clem Kruger (C) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:05 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Hi Simon, This is unfortunately the trade off of using multiple streams, the backup are fast but recovery is ssllooww. Regards, Clem Kruger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: 19 July 2007 11:11 AM To: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Importance: High Hi All Got a major outage - 1 Media Server lost 400GB Disk. New disk in place, trying to restore, but throughput is BAD BAD BAD! Backups were done using multiple streams (4 streams per tape drive). I kicked off one RESTORE job to restore ALL Data to this one drive. Is there a benefit to kicking off multiple restores for Data on this volume? Thanks Regards Simon Weaver This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ~~ This e-mail and its contents are subject to the Telkom SA Limited e-mail legal notice available at http://www.telkom.co.za/TelkomEMailLegalNotice.PDF ~~ This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question
All, I am trying to understand the EMM server and why VERITAS keeps saying I need a different server? Do they own stock in SUN? Ok, seriously. I looked at the sizing documentation and EMM server is going to have almost nothing on it. What have you done? Different server or Master server for the EMM server? Which is better? Kevin Whittaker Syniverse Technologies ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1
There is no UNIX 5.x - they're saying 5.x for UNIX. However it seems unlikely they'll end support on UNIX but keep it on Windows so I think its safe to assume timelines specified are for all platforms. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paulo Prado Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:00 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1 Just a warm warning: its related to Unix 5.x paltaform. Looking inside: Notice of Timelines for End of Life, End of Standard Support, and End of Support Life for NetBackup 5.x and Storage Migrator for UNIX 5.x Tanks, Paulo Prado - Original Message From: Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:01:56 PM Subject: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1 This documented was published July 16, 2007 and addressed to Symantec Customers http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise _Server/290017.pdf End of life Start Date: October 5, 2005. New Date for End of Standard Support and Start of Partial Support: March 31, 2008 End of Support Life: December 1, 2008 The definitions are in the document and apply to Veritas NetBackup Server and Veritas NetBackup Enterprise Server both versions 5.0 and 5.1. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love: http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http:/surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo _panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1
Absolutely, sorry about the mistake. PP - Original Message From: Jeff Lightner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paulo Prado [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:15:16 PM Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1 There is no “UNIX 5.x” – they’re saying “5.x for UNIX”. However it seems unlikely they’ll end support on UNIX but keep it on Windows so I think its safe to assume timelines specified are for all platforms. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paulo Prado Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:00 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1 Just a warm warning: its related to Unix 5.x paltaform. Looking inside: Notice of Timelines for End of Life, End of Standard Support, and End of Support Life for NetBackup 5.x and Storage Migrator for UNIX 5.x Tanks, Paulo Prado - Original Message From: Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:01:56 PM Subject: [Veritas-bu] End of Life dates for 5.0 and 5.1 This documented was published July 16, 2007 and addressed to Symantec Customers http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/290017.pdf End of life Start Date: October 5, 2005. New Date for End of Standard Support and Start of Partial Support: March 31, 2008 End of Support Life: December 1, 2008 The definitions are in the document and apply to Veritas NetBackup Server and Veritas NetBackup Enterprise Server both versions 5.0 and 5.1. …/Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love: http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question
Most people put their emm server and master server on the same system. Although you could split them, I don't know anyone who actually is. Theoretically, you could have more than one master server pointed to the same EMM server. If that was something warranted in your environment, it might make sense to separate out the EMM server. Other than that just keep them together. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Whittaker Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:23 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question All, I am trying to understand the EMM server and why VERITAS keeps saying I need a different server? Do they own stock in SUN? Ok, seriously. I looked at the sizing documentation and EMM server is going to have almost nothing on it. What have you done? Different server or Master server for the EMM server? Which is better? Kevin Whittaker Syniverse Technologies ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
I was going to, but I don't think its going to help with the restore running ? Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: smpt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:28 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice No, If you select all data then netbackup will read the tape ones. There is another problem. Try to put NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS_RESTORE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:11 PM To: 'veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Importance: High Hi All Got a major outage - 1 Media Server lost 400GB Disk. New disk in place, trying to restore, but throughput is BAD BAD BAD! Backups were done using multiple streams (4 streams per tape drive). I kicked off one RESTORE job to restore ALL Data to this one drive. Is there a benefit to kicking off multiple restores for Data on this volume? Thanks Regards Simon Weaver This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client Licenses in NetBackup
On 10/9/06, Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can have multiple virtual servers per physical servers (e.g. Windows cluster) that require 1 license per physical system, and you can have multiple operating systems on a VMware server that require one license per operating system type. Hi Ed, Do you know if this is publicly documented by symantec/veritas? The vmware style licensing variation could make for a significant difference in our licensing costs. Thanks, Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] How do I backup thee, Let me count the ways .
On 7/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some of the options that I thought of for starters ... can anyone add to the list? Traditional direct to tape backup via media server Direct to tape via SAN media server/client Snapshot Mirrored disk Proprietary application backup to flat file first Database exports to disk first Agent based hot backups D2D2T or VTL type solutions Another option would be to grab raw partitions instead of individual files. a.k.a Flashbackup. I wrote a good chunk of the wikipedia page on the topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backup It goes into some detail on this topic. Criticism is welcome... Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice
Simon, how many streams do you mpx to a tape? If memory serves, you were writing 24 jobs or something to a single tape? -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: July 19, 2007 8:42 AM To: 'Clem Kruger (C)'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] URGENT HELP - Advice Yes, they will learn from this! Still, at least I know it's a long wait :-) La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client Licensesin NetBackup
I don't have a link at the moment, nor the time to search for it, but I'll back up what Ed says. For a Vmware physical server, you need one client license per OS. F'rinstance, a box running ESX, with Windows and Linux virtual servers on it, would require 1 windows and 1 linux license. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Austin Murphy Sent: July 19, 2007 11:43 AM To: Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client Licensesin NetBackup On 10/9/06, Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can have multiple virtual servers per physical servers (e.g. Windows cluster) that require 1 license per physical system, and you can have multiple operating systems on a VMware server that require one license per operating system type. Hi Ed, Do you know if this is publicly documented by symantec/veritas? The vmware style licensing variation could make for a significant difference in our licensing costs. Thanks, Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup
Unless you used something like esxranger to backup the vmware server instances to a physical machine then used the existing license to backup the images. Esxranger is licensed per cpu of the esx box. If it has 4 cpus you would need to license 4 to backup that esx box. Doug Preston Systems Engineer Land America Tax and Flood Services Phone 626-339-5221 Ext 1104 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission may constitute a communication that is legally privileged. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:15 AM To: Austin Murphy; Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup I don't have a link at the moment, nor the time to search for it, but I'll back up what Ed says. For a Vmware physical server, you need one client license per OS. F'rinstance, a box running ESX, with Windows and Linux virtual servers on it, would require 1 windows and 1 linux license. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Austin Murphy Sent: July 19, 2007 11:43 AM To: Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client Licensesin NetBackup On 10/9/06, Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can have multiple virtual servers per physical servers (e.g. Windows cluster) that require 1 license per physical system, and you can have multiple operating systems on a VMware server that require one license per operating system type. Hi Ed, Do you know if this is publicly documented by symantec/veritas? The vmware style licensing variation could make for a significant difference in our licensing costs. Thanks, Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question
Does anybody know why they are recommending to put it on a different server? From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:43 AM To: Kevin Whittaker; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question Most people put their emm server and master server on the same system. Although you could split them, I don't know anyone who actually is. Theoretically, you could have more than one master server pointed to the same EMM server. If that was something warranted in your environment, it might make sense to separate out the EMM server. Other than that just keep them together. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Whittaker Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:23 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question All, I am trying to understand the EMM server and why VERITAS keeps saying I need a different server? Do they own stock in SUN? Ok, seriously. I looked at the sizing documentation and EMM server is going to have almost nothing on it. What have you done? Different server or Master server for the EMM server? Which is better? Kevin Whittaker Syniverse Technologies ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question
As noted below it might be based on your environment size. Here we have a master and about 20 media servers and did NOT put it on separate server when we did the upgrade from 5.1 to 6.0 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Whittaker Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:03 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question Does anybody know why they are recommending to put it on a different server? From: rcarlisle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:43 AM To: Kevin Whittaker; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question Most people put their emm server and master server on the same system. Although you could split them, I don't know anyone who actually is. Theoretically, you could have more than one master server pointed to the same EMM server. If that was something warranted in your environment, it might make sense to separate out the EMM server. Other than that just keep them together. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Whittaker Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:23 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question All, I am trying to understand the EMM server and why VERITAS keeps saying I need a different server? Do they own stock in SUN? Ok, seriously. I looked at the sizing documentation and EMM server is going to have almost nothing on it. What have you done? Different server or Master server for the EMM server? Which is better? Kevin Whittaker Syniverse Technologies ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup
On 7/19/07, Preston, Douglas L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... then used the existing license to backup the images. Yes, but... If you have 10 linux virtuals and 10 windows virtuals running on a single VMware on linux system, how many NetBackup licenses do you need? The prevailing wisdom on the list seems to indicate you need 1 linux license AND 1 windows license. To put it more plainly, in the example given, 1 linux license for the base system is insufficient, and 20 licenses (10 linux and 10 windows) are not necessary. If anyone else can corroborate this I'd be glad to hear it. Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBWin - 5.1MP5 Veritas logo spins forever [C1]
Ops, my apology on Windows from command line bpdown -f bpup -f and check the status of running services bpps regards On 7/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solaris master and 4 media servers plus 1 W2K serverdedicated for restores of Windows, Lotus Notes servers and NAS directories off the NetApp. NDMP agent on one of the media servers to NetApp. NBWin ( Backup, Archive and Restore Windows GUI ) is hanging forever, showing the spinning Veritas triangle logo. NBWin log file shows: 1:55:16.546 PM: [2104.2176] 4 bpio::bread: INF - read timeout 1:55:16.546 PM: [2104.2176] 16 bpio::read_string: ERR - can't read string length (err = -1) 1:55:16.546 PM: [2104.2176] 16 OV_SHORT OV_NB_RQST_PROTO::OVPC_RecvFileList: ERR - unable to read file list info (err=-1) Anyone seen this ? Seems to me that GUI is timing out on getting the catalog data off the master server. Which deamon on master server provides the GUI with bpdbm data ? TIA -- Misha Pavlov Société Générale desk: (212) 278-6096 cell: (646) 346-9341 This message uses only 100% recycled electrons. * This message and any attachments (the message) are confidential and intended solely for the addressees. Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. E-mails are susceptible to alteration. Neither SOCIETE GENERALE nor any of its subsidiaries or affiliates shall be liable for the message if altered, changed or falsified. * ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup
You can not backup running vm virtual machines one a esx box by backing up the linux side of the esx box. The only way to backup them up via netbackup is to purchase a license for each vm virtual machine. In your example of 10 linux vm virtual machines and 10 windows vm virtual machines you will need 10 linux and 10 windows licenses for netbackup to back them up. We have 8 esx servers running here and some I use esxranger to back them up but most of the virtual machines we want file level restore capability so we had to purchase the netbackup licenses. Doug Preston Systems Engineer Land America Tax and Flood Services Phone 626-339-5221 Ext 1104 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission may constitute a communication that is legally privileged. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. -Original Message- From: Austin Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:49 AM To: Preston, Douglas L Cc: Paul Keating; Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup On 7/19/07, Preston, Douglas L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... then used the existing license to backup the images. Yes, but... If you have 10 linux virtuals and 10 windows virtuals running on a single VMware on linux system, how many NetBackup licenses do you need? The prevailing wisdom on the list seems to indicate you need 1 linux license AND 1 windows license. To put it more plainly, in the example given, 1 linux license for the base system is insufficient, and 20 licenses (10 linux and 10 windows) are not necessary. If anyone else can corroborate this I'd be glad to hear it. Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1MP6 x86 Client Issues
Yes, I have seen this. It usually ends up being some sort of mis-match of NIC settings. Be sure that the NIC on the client (exchange) matches the port on the switch all the way from the client to the media server. For older systems we had to force 100MB no auto. The newer systems can go GigE - auto negotiate. = Carl Stehman IT Distributed Services Team Pepco Holdings, Inc. 202-331-6619 Pager 301-765-2703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooks, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2007 09:53 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] NBU 5.1MP6 x86 Client Issues Folks, I'm working on getting our Exchange Servers to do file/system backups now and have to use the 5.1MP6 x86 client. I've gotten them installed and set up in a policy. However, I've noticed several oddities: 1. Most jobs are returning 41s. I've kicked up logging and respawned jobs, but no logs. There are no firewalls between the Windows 6.0MP4 Master and the client and the client server isn't running the Windows firewall. 2. When I had a job work yesterday, it wouldn't do the Shadow Copy Components. Anyone running this, or something similar? Troubleshooting tips? I'm about to the point of calling Symantec, which I don't want to do. Jason Jason Brooks Computer Systems Engineer IITS - Longwood University voice - (434) 395-2034 fax - (434) 395-2035 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This Email message and any attachment may contain information that is proprietary, legally privileged, confidential and/or subject to copyright belonging to Pepco Holdings, Inc. or its affiliates (PHI). This Email is intended solely for the use of the person(s) to which it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this Email to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this Email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete this Email and any copies. PHI policies expressly prohibit employees from making defamatory or offensive statements and infringing any copyright or any other legal right by Email communication. PHI will not accept any liability in respect of such communications. smime.p7s Description: Binary data ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup
From: http://eval.symantec.com/mktginfo/products/Sales_Docs/Data_Protection/nb u_51_plguide_final_060304.pdf I haven't seen an updated version of this lately MULTIPLE DOMAIN OR VIRTUAL MACHINE SYSTEMS NetBackup components (servers, clients, and database agents) for UNIX, Windows, NetWare, and Linux are each licensed once per physical machine. If a physical machine runs multiple Operating Systems and Databases, then the physical machine requires one NetBackup component for each Operating System and Database type. Please note that this policy supersedes previous licensing policies that were communicated before the date of this document. Exception: NetBackup Clients installed on IBM zSeries (OS/390) should be licensed once per virtual machine. This is an exception to the standard NetBackup policy of licensing clients once per physical machine. -- -Original Message- From: Preston, Douglas L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 19, 2007 2:04 PM To: Austin Murphy Cc: Paul Keating; Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup You can not backup running vm virtual machines one a esx box by backing up the linux side of the esx box. The only way to backup them up via netbackup is to purchase a license for each vm virtual machine. In your example of 10 linux vm virtual machines and 10 windows vm virtual machines you will need 10 linux and 10 windows licenses for netbackup to back them up. We have 8 esx servers running here and some I use esxranger to back them up but most of the virtual machines we want file level restore capability so we had to purchase the netbackup licenses. Doug Preston Systems Engineer Land America Tax and Flood Services Phone 626-339-5221 Ext 1104 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission may constitute a communication that is legally privileged. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. -- -- -Original Message- From: Austin Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:49 AM To: Preston, Douglas L Cc: Paul Keating; Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup On 7/19/07, Preston, Douglas L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... then used the existing license to backup the images. Yes, but... If you have 10 linux virtuals and 10 windows virtuals running on a single VMware on linux system, how many NetBackup licenses do you need? The prevailing wisdom on the list seems to indicate you need 1 linux license AND 1 windows license. To put it more plainly, in the example given, 1 linux license for the base system is insufficient, and 20 licenses (10 linux and 10 windows) are not necessary. If anyone else can corroborate this I'd be glad to hear it. Austin La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question
We are running Windows and Solaris Master servers, and the EMM database is on the same system in both cases. We have not had any problems. (Are you confusing EMM with NOM?) = Carl Stehman IT Distributed Services Team Pepco Holdings, Inc. 202-331-6619 Pager 301-765-2703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Whittaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/2007 11:22 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question All, I am trying to understand the EMM server and why VERITAS keeps saying I need a different server? Do they own stock in SUN? Ok, seriously. I looked at the sizing documentation and EMM server is going to have almost nothing on it. What have you done? Different server or Master server for the EMM server? Which is better? Kevin Whittaker Syniverse Technologies ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This Email message and any attachment may contain information that is proprietary, legally privileged, confidential and/or subject to copyright belonging to Pepco Holdings, Inc. or its affiliates (PHI). This Email is intended solely for the use of the person(s) to which it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this Email to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this Email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete this Email and any copies. PHI policies expressly prohibit employees from making defamatory or offensive statements and infringing any copyright or any other legal right by Email communication. PHI will not accept any liability in respect of such communications. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup
Thanks Paul, Searching for the title of that document yielded a slightly newer version (dated December 6, 2004): http://eval.symantec.com/mktginfo/products/White_Papers/Data_Protection/nbu_5x_plguide_update_final.pdf It definitively answers a lot of licensing questions that I have about 5.x. Has anything changed for 6.0? Austin On 7/19/07, Paul Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: http://eval.symantec.com/mktginfo/products/Sales_Docs/Data_Protection/nb u_51_plguide_final_060304.pdf I haven't seen an updated version of this lately MULTIPLE DOMAIN OR VIRTUAL MACHINE SYSTEMS NetBackup components (servers, clients, and database agents) for UNIX, Windows, NetWare, and Linux are each licensed once per physical machine. If a physical machine runs multiple Operating Systems and Databases, then the physical machine requires one NetBackup component for each Operating System and Database type. Please note that this policy supersedes previous licensing policies that were communicated before the date of this document. Exception: NetBackup Clients installed on IBM zSeries (OS/390) should be licensed once per virtual machine. This is an exception to the standard NetBackup policy of licensing clients once per physical machine. -- -Original Message- From: Preston, Douglas L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 19, 2007 2:04 PM To: Austin Murphy Cc: Paul Keating; Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup You can not backup running vm virtual machines one a esx box by backing up the linux side of the esx box. The only way to backup them up via netbackup is to purchase a license for each vm virtual machine. In your example of 10 linux vm virtual machines and 10 windows vm virtual machines you will need 10 linux and 10 windows licenses for netbackup to back them up. We have 8 esx servers running here and some I use esxranger to back them up but most of the virtual machines we want file level restore capability so we had to purchase the netbackup licenses. Doug Preston Systems Engineer Land America Tax and Flood Services Phone 626-339-5221 Ext 1104 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Austin Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:49 AM To: Preston, Douglas L Cc: Paul Keating; Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup On 7/19/07, Preston, Douglas L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... then used the existing license to backup the images. Yes, but... If you have 10 linux virtuals and 10 windows virtuals running on a single VMware on linux system, how many NetBackup licenses do you need? The prevailing wisdom on the list seems to indicate you need 1 linux license AND 1 windows license. To put it more plainly, in the example given, 1 linux license for the base system is insufficient, and 20 licenses (10 linux and 10 windows) are not necessary. If anyone else can corroborate this I'd be glad to hear it. Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional ClientLicensesinNetBackup
Nothing changed between 5.x and 6.06.5 will have changes to the licensing structure. Nothing official until it is released. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Austin Murphy Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:40 PM To: Paul Keating Cc: Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional ClientLicensesinNetBackup Thanks Paul, Searching for the title of that document yielded a slightly newer version (dated December 6, 2004): http://eval.symantec.com/mktginfo/products/White_Papers/Data_Protection/nbu_ 5x_plguide_update_final.pdf It definitively answers a lot of licensing questions that I have about 5.x. Has anything changed for 6.0? Austin On 7/19/07, Paul Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: http://eval.symantec.com/mktginfo/products/Sales_Docs/Data_Protection/nb u_51_plguide_final_060304.pdf I haven't seen an updated version of this lately MULTIPLE DOMAIN OR VIRTUAL MACHINE SYSTEMS NetBackup components (servers, clients, and database agents) for UNIX, Windows, NetWare, and Linux are each licensed once per physical machine. If a physical machine runs multiple Operating Systems and Databases, then the physical machine requires one NetBackup component for each Operating System and Database type. Please note that this policy supersedes previous licensing policies that were communicated before the date of this document. Exception: NetBackup Clients installed on IBM zSeries (OS/390) should be licensed once per virtual machine. This is an exception to the standard NetBackup policy of licensing clients once per physical machine. -- -Original Message- From: Preston, Douglas L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 19, 2007 2:04 PM To: Austin Murphy Cc: Paul Keating; Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup You can not backup running vm virtual machines one a esx box by backing up the linux side of the esx box. The only way to backup them up via netbackup is to purchase a license for each vm virtual machine. In your example of 10 linux vm virtual machines and 10 windows vm virtual machines you will need 10 linux and 10 windows licenses for netbackup to back them up. We have 8 esx servers running here and some I use esxranger to back them up but most of the virtual machines we want file level restore capability so we had to purchase the netbackup licenses. Doug Preston Systems Engineer Land America Tax and Flood Services Phone 626-339-5221 Ext 1104 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Austin Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:49 AM To: Preston, Douglas L Cc: Paul Keating; Ed Wilts; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Determining Number of Additional Client LicensesinNetBackup On 7/19/07, Preston, Douglas L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... then used the existing license to backup the images. Yes, but... If you have 10 linux virtuals and 10 windows virtuals running on a single VMware on linux system, how many NetBackup licenses do you need? The prevailing wisdom on the list seems to indicate you need 1 linux license AND 1 windows license. To put it more plainly, in the example given, 1 linux license for the base system is insufficient, and 20 licenses (10 linux and 10 windows) are not necessary. If anyone else can corroborate this I'd be glad to hear it. Austin ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] retentions
We had an issue where was server was down for over 2 weeks and the last full backups expired. The retention for this environment is 2 weeks. After the tapes expired the App team decided they wanted to restore. Now management wants Veritas to extend the retention period automatically if a full is not successfully run. I do not know of any company that has this capability so I am looking for ideas. I do not think it would be possible for a person to manually track all the servers and their last full and then manually bpexpdate the images. I have pushed back with the question of why was this server allowed to be down for 2 weeks but nobody is answering. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete the message and any file attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
As far as I know once images expire they are deleted from the Netbackup catalog - as a result (and as you state) it is not possible to unexpire images within the catalog via bpexpdate. The only option is to manually import the images off the tapes, assuming you know what tapes have the images you need and they haven't yet been overwritten. If you are able to do the import then you can assign whatever retention you want. It's not hard to find existing images for current clients, but if the image has expired it doesn't exist in the catalog anymore. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Zermeno Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 15:51 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] retentions We had an issue where was server was down for over 2 weeks and the last full backups expired. The retention for this environment is 2 weeks. After the tapes expired the App team decided they wanted to restore. Now management wants Veritas to extend the retention period automatically if a full is not successfully run. I do not know of any company that has this capability so I am looking for ideas. I do not think it would be possible for a person to manually track all the servers and their last full and then manually bpexpdate the images. I have pushed back with the question of why was this server allowed to be down for 2 weeks but nobody is answering. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete the message and any file attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
* Brandon Zermeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-19 15:50]: We had an issue where was server was down for over 2 weeks and the last full backups expired. The retention for this environment is 2 weeks. After the tapes expired the App team decided they wanted to restore. Now management wants Veritas to extend the retention period automatically if a full is not successfully run. I do not know of any company that has this capability so I am looking for ideas. I do not think it would be possible for a person to manually track all the servers and their last full and then manually bpexpdate the images. I have pushed back with the question of why was this server allowed to be down for 2 weeks but nobody is answering. If the policy was a two week retention, and the app guys knew that, it sounds like they are out of luck. Would the response have been any different if they were trying to get an old file? At a minimum, a review of your retentions for that system (and probably the rest of them, too) is in order. You _could_ do it with some scripting, but you are asking for headaches. There are a lot of questions you need to answer in order to pull this off, like; are you comparing against a flat timespan, or will it change per policy/client/whatever? how soon do you want to extend the retentions, immediately following a failure, 1 day, 1 week, etc? How far do you extend it? What about notifications? Is blindly doing this going to deplete your tapes, causing more issues than it fixes? There is no substitute for a person actually looking at what's going on in the environment. It sounds like what you really need is to look into better ways of reporting on what's happening, and not just the backup admins. The managers and admins of the systems being backed up should be watching, too. That can be homegrown or third-party. The data is there, it just depends on how much effort you want to (or can) put into it. -- David Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
This is what I am looking for. We have had nothing but useless junk from Command Central and Advanced Reporter and I have no faith in the latest version Backup Reporting. Does Aptare manage to show you when the last backup was run successfully? In this case we overwrote the tape so importing was not an option. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Dunham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:38 PM To: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions As far as I know once images expire they are deleted from the Netbackup catalog - as a result (and as you state) it is not possible to unexpire images within the catalog via bpexpdate. The only option is to manually import the images off the tapes, assuming you know what tapes have the images you need and they haven't yet been overwritten. If you are able to do the import then you can assign whatever retention you want. Yes. I think he's looking for something like the default behavior of EMC Networker, where the image's expiration is suspended if there haven't been any later successful backups. So not recover (via import) after the fact, but prevent the last backup from being expired at all. I can think of how using some scheduled scripts could get pretty close. Examine the catalog for the last full backup of all the machine/filesystem. If it's approaching expiration, push the expiration date back. As long as the script runs (successfully) at least once within the pushback period, it'll prevent the expiration. Finding the image corresponding to a particular filesystem isn't necessarily trivial though. And you really need to track by filesystem. If the machine has done recent successful full backups, but one filesystem failed each time, you'd like to delay that filesystem's expiration. -- Darren Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Technical Consultant TAOShttp://www.taos.com/ Got some Dr Pepper? San Francisco, CA bay area This line left intentionally blank to confuse you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete the message and any file attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrading to 6.x - EMM Server Question
I am trying to understand the EMM server and why VERITAS keeps saying I need a different server? Do they own stock in SUN? Ask *them* why! Veritas as a company isn't telling you that you need a different server - one person at the company probably is. Ask him/her to explain why another server is necessary. If you can't get a good explanation, then it's likely that one isn't necessary. ./Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love: http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
This is what I am looking for. We have had nothing but useless junk from Command Central and Advanced Reporter and I have no faith in the latest version Backup Reporting. Does Aptare manage to show you when the last backup was run successfully? Aptare StorageConsole absolutely does this. Bring up a Mission Control report and it will quickly when the last successful backups was (a blue dot) vs a warning (a yellow dot) vs a failure (red dot). You will get this per file system. The default home page for StorageConsole shows you all failures in the last 48 (I think) hours. With StorageConsole, there's no excuse for you not to know about your successes/failures. What we have actually done here is to push the failures back on to the server admins. *EVERY* day that a backup fails, they get a ticket generated by our Help Desk that they have to do something with. So your job is to make sure that NetBackup attempts the job every day and every day it fails, you notify the admin. If the admin chooses to ignore the ticket, then the ticket needs to be automatically escalated to the group manager. If the server is down for more than 2 weeks and they've had 14 help desk tickets generated and ignored them all, it's not exactly your fault that the data is not recoverable. On top of this, we generate an overdue report every day. It's not 100% accurate (it is really, really hard to duplicate the scheduler's calculations!), but it gives us a good idea as to what's going on. If we see that a full backup is overdue for too long, we investigate. I have worked with other backup products that do solve your problems differently by utilizing a user-defined number of generations. Rather than expiring images by date, they expire by the number of generations so you would always have, for example, 2 generations to restore from. You could be down for 5 years and still have 2 copies of your weeklies. There are downsides to that approach, too, of course - no method is without its drawbacks. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I GoodSearch for Bundles Of Love: http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=821118 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
I've got an excel pivot table I use for a peek at this type of information, I'll send it your way. Basically it looks at amount of data backed up in jobs marked as fulls on a week by week basis. If your report looks something like Server 1 - 50GB, 50GB, 0GB Server 2 - 75GB, 75GB, 75GB Server 3 - 60GB, 60GB, 60GB You know Server 1 has an issue. I use it more to track weekly data totals, looking for file servers and application servers whose data is growing by greater than 1-2% per week, but it can also do what you are asking for here. Because its excel its not ideal, and it requires a cut and paste of data from the client report, but its better than nothing. If I were to script this I would write something in perl to go server by policy and look for instances of no full backup in the last 7 or 8 days assuming you run weeklies. You could get more advanced and compare this week's weekly versus last weeks weekly in regards to KBs written to tape etc.. but thats a sticky wicket. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brandon Zermeno Sent: Thu 7/19/2007 7:59 PM To: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions This is what I am looking for. We have had nothing but useless junk from Command Central and Advanced Reporter and I have no faith in the latest version Backup Reporting. Does Aptare manage to show you when the last backup was run successfully? In this case we overwrote the tape so importing was not an option. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Dunham Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:38 PM To: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions As far as I know once images expire they are deleted from the Netbackup catalog - as a result (and as you state) it is not possible to unexpire images within the catalog via bpexpdate. The only option is to manually import the images off the tapes, assuming you know what tapes have the images you need and they haven't yet been overwritten. If you are able to do the import then you can assign whatever retention you want. Yes. I think he's looking for something like the default behavior of EMC Networker, where the image's expiration is suspended if there haven't been any later successful backups. So not recover (via import) after the fact, but prevent the last backup from being expired at all. I can think of how using some scheduled scripts could get pretty close. Examine the catalog for the last full backup of all the machine/filesystem. If it's approaching expiration, push the expiration date back. As long as the script runs (successfully) at least once within the pushback period, it'll prevent the expiration. Finding the image corresponding to a particular filesystem isn't necessarily trivial though. And you really need to track by filesystem. If the machine has done recent successful full backups, but one filesystem failed each time, you'd like to delay that filesystem's expiration. -- Darren Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Technical Consultant TAOShttp://www.taos.com/ Got some Dr Pepper? San Francisco, CA bay area This line left intentionally blank to confuse you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete the message and any file attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] retentions
How about setting a longer retention period and _expiring_ backups if the conditions you're looking for have happened? As long as I'm at it, I think a two week retention period is crazy. You should always have AT LEAST three full cycles. (IOW, if you're doing a full backup every week, I think you should have at least a three week retention period.) My preference would be at least a month for database backups and 90 days for filesystem backups. As to what other products do... NetWorker won't expire a full backup if there are incremental backups based on it. In your case, they would/could have expired too and the oldest full might have expired. TSM doesn't expiration like this. It keeps versions, and does not think the way these products think unless you force it to. I therefore think that TSM wouldn't have done what NetWorker did. Did I mention that a two week retention period is too short? ;) --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Zermeno Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:51 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] retentions We had an issue where was server was down for over 2 weeks and the last full backups expired. The retention for this environment is 2 weeks. After the tapes expired the App team decided they wanted to restore. Now management wants Veritas to extend the retention period automatically if a full is not successfully run. I do not know of any company that has this capability so I am looking for ideas. I do not think it would be possible for a person to manually track all the servers and their last full and then manually bpexpdate the images. I have pushed back with the question of why was this server allowed to be down for 2 weeks but nobody is answering. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete the message and any file attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
