RE: [VFB] Looking for Garrell Hathaway

[Neville Gosling]

Yes. I agree - It's very strange and not like Iain.  I hope he is OK. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: May 12, 2010 3:35 PM
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Don't know him, Jimmy.
 
And I still haven't heard back from Iain Short, or anything about him.
No responses on email, and no bounce messages.
He was ready to send the Classic Wet Fly Swap out, and then nothing.
 
DonO

 

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RE: [VFB] Looking for Garrell Hathaway

[Neville Gosling]

That name is not familiar to me. Are you sure you mean VFB and not another
list?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: May 12, 2010 3:07 PM
To: Virtual Fly Box
Subject: [VFB] Looking for Garrell Hathaway


Do any of you know the whereabouts of longtime list member, Garrell hathaway
?  My e-mails to him for the last two
days have bounced. Note says "no such user:

THANKS.



JD 





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RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning

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7X !  I might go 6X on the rare occasion but never 7X. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Subject: [VFB] Fishining this morning


My wide has a double appointment at the doctors office this morning and
normally she will be there for a couple of hours. I have permission to fish
the pond alongside the parking lot.I have never got to fish it because of
time of the year or having my appointment. It was overcast and real windy
but I gave it a shot. Tied on a Peacock and Bronze. Had nothing for a while
then I got a good fish on. I never did see it before breaking off. I had
some 7X tipprt on my leader and had no other with me. Then I tied in a
Peacock body nymph with a gold bead head. That did yeild a couple of
Largmouth Bass. The takes were real slow, just felt the line tighten up and
the fish was there.
Had another take and when the bass came out of the water, he broke off. Tied
in a Peackock body bugger. When I turned out of the wind, I noticed my wife
back at the van waving me to come back. I could not belerve she was already
finished. Heading back to the van I made another cast and hooked up with a
Largmouth. That made five Bass, two break offs and one miss. Not bad for
about an hour fishing.
Arkansas Tony


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RE: [VFB] WHERE IS EVERY BODY?

[Neville Gosling]

Canada! 

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[VFB] Coal Bed Methane (CBM)

[Neville Gosling]

And now for the fishing content:-
 
 
I and many other residents of Britsh Columbia (BC) are vehemently opposed to
coalbed methane extraction. The Government and Industry are only interested
in the almighty $ and will gladly destroy a pristine part of BC in the
process. This tends to happen around some of the best fly fishing rivers in
the province.  CBM poses a risk to: -
 
*   Water sources contaminated by chemicals used during the extraction
process, and by the unanticipated underground migration of methane.
*   Farmers' fields rendered useless by huge volumes of polluting water,
produced during the extraction process.
*   Rural landscapes transformed into networks of roads, pipelines,
flaring gas wells and compressor stations whose ceaseless hum has been
compared to that of a large tractor.
*   Plummeting values of adjacent real estate.
*   Conservative, multi-generation farmers turned activists after the
promise of land rental fees is overshadowed by ballooning industrial
development rolling unchecked over private land.
 
The Elk River near Fernie, BC and the Morice/Bulkley River near Telkwa.
Please refer to the following URLs.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz19W7e1eGs
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uZ8CFgRR5U
 
 
http://thetyee.ca/News/2006/11/14/CBM/

 
Sorry DonO but CBM is not wanted here.
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
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[VFB] We are the problem

[Neville Gosling]

DonO and others:
 
You are absolutely correct. We are the problem. However, having said that, I
have a big problem with career bureaucrats who have no real knowledge of the
"subject" and who make bad decisions on behalf of the "people".
 
Proper in depth environmental assessments are minimized and in many cases do
not even take place.  The companies proposing a project, by and large, have
a poor track record, especially in mitigation of the environmental damage
that they cause. As President of the Totem Flyfishers, BC's oldest Fly
Fishing Club, I am in the process of "informing" my club members about a
proposal to "Blow the top off "Catface Mountain" in Clayoquot Sound on
Vancouver Island and to turn it into an open pit copper mine.  This is or
rather was a prime habitat for coho (Silver) Salmon. I am fighting against
open net salmon farms because there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that
they and the sea lice that they attract are detrimental to juvenile
out-migrating salmon that are too small to combat lice infections. Our wild
salmon are disappearing.
fast.  We have Run-of-the-River private power projects, where rivers are
dammed to produce power. A lot of these are actually American Owned. GE as
an example. The projects have proceeded with no environmental assessments.
As a result, I am rapidly becoming a very active environmentalist.
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada

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[VFB] Jim Phillips

[Neville Gosling]

Has anyone heard from Jim Phillips lately. He was quite sick a month or two
ago. Jim are you there?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada

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RE: [VFB] Jim Phillips

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No, and I think that he was having chemotherapy. I hope that he is OK.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Of Don Ordes
Sent: May 23, 2010 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Jim Phillips


No news of Jim Phillips?  Anyone know how to reach him?
 
Also, has anyone heard from Pete Gramp lately?  He's not answering emails.
 
DonO

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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: [VFB] Jim Phillips

Has anyone heard from Jim Phillips lately. He was quite sick a month or two
ago. Jim are you there?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada

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RE: [VFB] Jim Phillips

[Neville Gosling]

Pete Gramp is listed on facebook. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Of Don Ordes
Sent: May 23, 2010 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Jim Phillips


I also sent an email to his business address- it bounced.
 
Pete is the one who turned me on to Dr. Kopitnik, who just cured me of TN.
 
I need to thank him, but I can't find him.
 
DonO

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From: Neville   Gosling 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Jim Phillips

No, and I think that he was having chemotherapy. I hope that he is OK.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: May 23, 2010 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Jim Phillips


No news of Jim Phillips?  Anyone know how to reach him?
 
Also, has anyone heard from Pete Gramp lately?  He's not answering emails.
 
DonO

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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: [VFB] Jim Phillips

Has anyone heard from Jim Phillips lately. He was quite sick a month or two
ago. Jim are you there?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada

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RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning

[Neville Gosling]

Tony and others:
 
You might want to try one of these fly threaders. It holds the eye of the
fly in line with the groove magnetically. After placing the fly, one simply
pushes the tippet along the groove (from right hand side), through the eye
of the hook and as you can see the end of the tippet comes out on the left.
They green thread in the photo is simply a lanyard that the person is
wearing around their neck so that the threader is always available. They
retail online for about $10.00. The eye of the fly must be clear of any
threads or hackles. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 




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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anthony Spezio
Sent: May 13, 2010 10:55 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning


The reason I had 7X on was because I was fishing sz 26 midges for Trout on
Tuesday. There was still a small Caddis hatch on and I was also using sz 16
and 18 tent wing Caddis. 6X would not work, trout were too finiky. I did not
think about taking my vest with the tippit spools, I just grabbed the rod
and a small box of flies. If I get to back to fish that pond again, I will
have 4X on.
Yes, I do have a problem tying on the small flies and the fine tippet.
Tony

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From: Neville Gosling 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:53 AM


7X !  I might go 6X on the rare occasion but never 7X. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anthony Spezio
Sent: May 13, 2010 9:34 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Cc: flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Fishining this morning


My wide has a double appointment at the doctors office this morning and
normally she will be there for a couple of hours. I have permission to fish
the pond alongside the parking lot.I have never got to fish it because of
time of the year or having my appointment. It was overcast and real windy
but I gave it a shot. Tied on a Peacock and Bronze. Had nothing for a while
then I got a good fish on. I never did see it before breaking off. I had
some 7X tipprt on my leader and had no other with me. Then I tied in a
Peacock body nymph with a gold bead head. That did yeild a couple of
Largmouth Bass. The takes were real slow, just felt the line tighten up and
the fish was there.
Had another take and when the bass came out of the water, he broke off. Tied
in a Peackock body bugger. When I turned out of the wind, I noticed my wife
back at the van waving me to come back. I could not belerve she was already
finished. Heading back to the van I made another cast and hooked up with a
Largmouth. That made five Bass, two break offs and one miss. Not bad for
about an hour fishing.
Arkansas Tony   






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RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning

[Neville Gosling]

This threader is readily available on e-bay. You can also obtain from Steve
at Fly Tying Specialties at $9.75. Contact steve at 
 
 st...@flytyingspecialties.com
 
I have purchased Czech nymph products from Steve and have found him to be
reliable.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of LESTER BELL
Sent: May 25, 2010 5:42 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Fishining this morning


 
Where might one find this threader?  

- Original Message - 
From: Anthony  <mailto:bambot...@yahoo.com> Spezio 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning

Nev,
I will have to check this out. I am tired of taking 15 minuets to tie a
small fly on the tippet.
Tony

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From: Neville Gosling 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:14 PM


Tony and others:
 
You might want to try one of these fly threaders. It holds the eye of the
fly in line with the groove magnetically. After placing the fly, one simply
pushes the tippet along the groove (from right hand side), through the eye
of the hook and as you can see the end of the tippet comes out on the left.
They green thread in the photo is simply a lanyard that the person is
wearing around their neck so that the threader is always available. They
retail online for about $10.00. The eye of the fly must be clear of any
threads or hackles. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 




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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anthony Spezio
Sent: May 13, 2010 10:55 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning


The reason I had 7X on was because I was fishing sz 26 midges for Trout on
Tuesday. There was still a small Caddis hatch on and I was also using sz 16
and 18 tent wing Caddis. 6X would not work, trout were too finiky. I did not
think about taking my vest with the tippit spools, I just grabbed the rod
and a small box of flies. If I get to back to fish that pond again, I will
have 4X on.
Yes, I do have a problem tying on the small flies and the fine tippet.
Tony

--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Neville Gosling  wrote:




From: Neville Gosling 
Subject: RE: [VFB] Fishining this morning
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:53 AM


7X !  I might go 6X on the rare occasion but never 7X. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Of Anthony Spezio
Sent: May 13, 2010 9:34 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Cc: flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Fishining this morning


My wide has a double appointment at the doctors office this morning and
normally she will be there for a couple of hours. I have permission to fish
the pond alongside the parking lot.I have never got to fish it because of
time of the year or having my appointment. It was overcast and real windy
but I gave it a shot. Tied on a Peacock and Bronze. Had nothing for a while
then I got a good fish on. I never did see it before breaking off. I had
some 7X tipprt on my leader and had no other with me. Then I tied in a
Peacock body nymph with a gold bead head. That did yeild a couple of
Largmouth Bass. The takes were real slow, just felt the line tighten up and
the fish was there.
Had another take and when the bass came out of the water, he broke off. Tied
in a Peackock body bugger. When I turned out of the wind, I noticed my wife
back at the van waving me to come back. I could not belerve she was already
finished. Heading back to the van I made another cast and hooked up with a
Largmouth. That made five Bass, two break offs and one miss. Not bad for
about an hour fishing.
Arkansas Tony   








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[VFB] Fw: Flytying 'Tool of the Week'

[Neville Gosling]

IF that is his whip-finisher, how big are his scissors?

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada   

> -Original Message-
> From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Ordes
> Sent: May 25, 2010 12:11 PM
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Flytying 'Tool of the Week'
> 
> LOL, since I use it all of the time, it sits on the base of 
> my vise, with my scissors.
> 
> DonO

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RE: [VFB] Ant's

[Neville Gosling]

Ok, Count me in.

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of J McK
Sent: May 27, 2010 11:16 AM
To: Fly Swap
Subject: [VFB] Ant's


 
Ok gang I'm going to host a fly swap. Ant's size 14 or smaller
 
Regular rules, 15 tiers tying 16 flies one for donation to Children's
Hospital Auction(I'll provide the box)
 
Sign-up cut off June 18th 2010, flies due August 12th 2010.
 
After sign up complete we will take communication off the group site.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P. O. Box 85
Pottsville, AR 72858
479-964-2385
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RE: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY

[Neville Gosling]

Back in the late 1950's when I was a youngster, I used to buy the "Angling
Times" weekly newspaper for the princely sum of "sixpence" which was 6 old
pence before they buggered everything up and went to the metric system of
100 pence to the pound from 240 pence to the pound!  Anyhow, I digress,
Arthur Ransome used to write an occasional column for Angling Times which I
always found interesting. He spent quite a lot of his time in Russia, but
I'm not sure when. It may have been pre WWII. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

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Sent: June 1, 2010 10:03 AM
To: Virtual Fly Box; Fly Fishing World; Hill Country Fly Fishers
Subject: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY



"Fishing simply sent me out of my mind. I could neither think nor talk of
anything else. My mother was so angry with me that she said she wouldn't
let me fish again because I might fall ill from such excitement." 

Sergei Aksakov {1791-1859} "Memoir" Translated by Arthur Ransome 


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RE: [VFB] test

[Neville Gosling]

Msg rec'd Canada


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Subject: [VFB] test



Is this message getting out pasted my desk.
 

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P. O. Box 9104
Russellville, AR 72811
www.caddisflyfishers.org  





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[VFB] Alan DiSoma

[Neville Gosling]

Would Alan DiSoma pls contact me off list.
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada

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RE: [VFB] Re: PacNW weather and the touch of mink

[Neville Gosling]

Are you planning to tie minkies?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: June 11, 2010 9:08 AM
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black, chartreuse, claret 


On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Don Ordes  wrote:


Wes, what colors did you order?
 
DonO

- Original Message - 
From: Wes   Wada 
To: VFB Mail   
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: PacNW weather and the touch of mink

I placed a couple of orders for mink zonker strips yesterday. 

So far best USA source with decent color range is:
http://www.allseasonssports.com/catalog.asp?prodid=475104

&showprevnext=1

Also needed some claret mink strips which I found on a UK site at:
http://www.celticflycraft.co.uk/acatalog/Mink_Zonker_Strips.html


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RE: [VFB] Anyone need a break from the heat?

[Neville Gosling]

Here in BC we have not had two consecutive dry days in over a month and our
May was extremely wet
after the first week. So far June has been no better.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Don't need a break from the heat. but a break from the rain might help.
Water looks like chocolate milk right now.
 
Rick 


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RE: [VFB] Big day in Sweden yesterday...

[Neville Gosling]

Nick:
 
Victoria. She's a cutie. Sweden's  answer to Princess Diana. I hope that she
has better fortune.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

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RE: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY

[Neville Gosling]

Good one Jimmy!

 
"When if chance or hunger's powerful sway 
  directs the roving trout this fatal way, 
 He greedily sucks in the twining bait,  
 And tugs and nibbles the fallacious meat. 
  Now, happy fisherman; now twitch the line!  
 How thy rod bends! behold, the prize is thine!" 

John Gay 


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RE: [VFB] Non-FFing... photo

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Byard:

Long time no input!

Superb photo Byard. I note that in another photo the bird was being held in
the hand. Were they being banded?

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada  

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> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [VFB] Non-FFing... photo
> 
> A non-flyfishing related post. Well maybe we could stretch it 
> a bit... they do eat mayflies ;^)
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9534...@n02/4734976951/lightbox/
> 
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> Photos 
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RE: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY

[Neville Gosling]

Don O:
 
See my comments below:-
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: June 26, 2010 11:50 AM
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My two cents:
 
His comment doesn't make any sense.
 
1.   He says "during the time period (past two decades) we have a
proliferation in new tying materials...".  This comment refers to materials 
2.   But then he says "Truth to be told there seems to be little that is
truly new in the fly tying world."Whereas this comment refers to fly
design or patterns.
 
See below for an example of tying a czech nymph by Davie McPhail. He
virtually does your rope dub technique but his attachment of the dubbing to
the hook is different to yours in that he does not anchor it first before
turning the dubbing araound the thread with his fingersBut he does hold
the bobbin and twist the dubbing around the thread in the same manner as DO.
 
So which is it?  Since there are many new materials, like foam and
synthetics, there must also be new techniques for applying these to hooks.
There are new books, DVDs, PATTERNS, AND techniques.
 
Foam patterns are very productive, and it would be a stretch to say a foam
hopper is a "recycled variation or modification using new materials on an
old, forgotten fly."  That's rediculous.  Braided body materials have
sparked hundreds of new patterns.  
 
I know tiers who feel this way.  They never create anything new, so they
refuse to see anything anyone else does as new.  They find the closest thing
to compare it to, and call it a variation of that.  It becomes a matter of
limited perspective rather than an actual fact.
 
I feel that I am a creative and innovative tier, but I rely on the biggest
names in the business for 2nd-hand verification of that.  I, on the other
hand, am continually amazed by the new things great tiers dream up.  The
level of artistry in realistic tying right now is incredible.  Check Paul
Whillock's site. 
 
YES, there are many times when a tier THINKS he has a new fly, pattern,
technique, or material, and then can be shown something that makes his an
identical - even if not intentional.  The fly-tying industry right now is so
huge that one cannot research all of the patterns in the world before
claiming something is 'new'.  In many cases patterns resemble well-known
originals many decades old.  Others resemble later patterns that other tiers
have published that are not very well known. 
 
The drive right now is to call everything you tie by your name.  Everyone
wants their name on the books.  Did 'Dave's Hopper' start all this?  I can't
remember too many flies earlier that had the tier's name.
 
This is where the problems start.  Who developed the coachman?  Are you
sure?  When did it become a royal coachman, a leadwing coachman, a fanwing
coachman, a then a (whoops) Royal Wulff?  If the original tier wrapped a
body in peacock, is every peacock fly a copy or variation of that fly?  If I
sub. peacock ice dub for peacock, is that still only a peacock variation?
What if I use black ice dub.  Is that just a variation  now, or is it a
black gnat?  Color changed it?  Why not the synthetic as a changer?  What
about a Royal Wulff with poly wings?  Is that still a Royal Wulff, since Lee
only made a change from white feather fanwings to white calf-tail to call it
a Royal Wulff?  Can I call my Winger Adams a 'Don's Adams' like Lee Wulff
changed the Royal Fanwing Coachman by just changing the wing material?
(Maybe there was a tier named Royal Fanwing. No Buggs, there wasn't.  And
nooo, we can't call a green Adams a Don's Adams-apple!)
 
I have had many 'amused' self-appointed masters approach my tying table tell
me that there's nothing new, especially in techniques.  And them I rope-dub
them a 20-second fly and change their minds.  And then I show them the
'Baits Hotel', and they learn what new thinking is all about.
 
Maybe some day someone will show and prove to me that the rope-dub technique
has been used by others.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2aO5X0IJA I checked for 8 years and no one
could produce anything.   I will then humbly admit that we share the same
technique. (It is not Polly's technique, which some mistakenly apply to it-
but I have his book, and it's not the same.)  I was definitely not taught it
and did not read about it, and no one else has seen or read about it either,
and no patterns exist that I have been able to find.  So if someone has
thought of it, they didn't extend it into all of the sub-techniques either.
 
So yes, it does sometimes happen that a fly pattern or technique has ben
done before.  But if one believes that NO pattern or technique is new, then
that person needs to get (his head) out and see a little more.
 
Off my soapbox...
 
DonO  

- Original Message - 
From: Jimmy D.  

[VFB] Stonefly pattern

[Neville Gosling]

Fellow VFB'ers:
 
I have to tie some stoneflies for a friend and I am looking for a nymph
pattern for the large golden stonefly that is not too time consuming to tie.
It should have a light yellow underbody.
Does anyone have any suggestions.  
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada



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[VFB] Re: Stonefly pattern

[Neville Gosling]

Nick
 
Yes, I looked at that and it is certainly a possibility, but I want to look
at some other patterns before making a decision. I have found one on YouTube
that I like, but takes a considerable time to tie and I don't have all the
dressing materials.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: June 27, 2010 9:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Stonefly pattern


How 'bout something like my Bitch Creek variant from my mail an hour ago (in
other colors)?
 
/Nick

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[VFB] Off Topic

[Neville Gosling]

Are there any Outlook experts on the list?  Please contact me off list at
 
nev.gosl...@shaw.ca
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada



 

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RE: [VFB] Magazines for sale

[Neville Gosling]

Hey Jim:
 
Where have you been all this time?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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jim phillips
Sent: July 4, 2010 1:13 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Magazines for sale


Old Fly Tying/Fishing Magazines. 

 

2002 to 2006. $1.00 each PLUS shipping. 

USPS or bank Money Orders only

 



List as Follows

 



Fly Rod & Reel: Jan/Feb 06, Mar 06, Apr 06, and Jun 06
Jan/Feb 05, Mar 05Apr 05, Jun 05, Jul/Oct 05, Nov/Dec 05
 
Fly Fishing& Tying Journal: Summer 03, Winter 03Spring 03
 
Fly Tyer: Spring 06, Winter 04, Summer 05, Autumn 05, Winter 05
 
Fly Fisherman: Mar 07,May 06, Mar 06, Feb 06, Sep 05, Feb 05, Dec 04, Mar 03, 
Jul 03
 
Salmon, Trout, Steelheader: Oct/Nov 02, Feb/Mar 03, Jun/Jul 03, Aug/Sep 03, 
Oct/Nov 03, Dec/Jan 03, Mar 04, Dec 04, Dec/Jan 04, Feb 04, Apr 04, May 05, 
Jun/Jul 05, Aug 05, Sep 05, Oct/Nov 05, Dec 05, Jan 05, Feb 05, Mar 05, Apr 05, 
Apr 06, May 06, Mar 06, Feb 06, Jan 06
 
 
I have double this pre-2000 but will have a separate sale for them, They will 
be advertised in about two to three weeks.
 
Also have many Fly Rods: Fiberglass, Graphite, and Bamboo (most need work) like 
rewindinding, new cork handles and ferrals I have the parts). Most are in good 
to excellent condition. Brands such as St Croix, LL Bean, Scott, 
Cortland,Scientific Angler (Brand New with reel) all graphite. Glass included 
St Croix, , Cortland, Sears (Ted Williams with reel and case (NEW),Bamboo 
includes Wards, and others some without name decals. Empty cases (some new) Rod 
bags (2-4 pieces), Reels and so on. Lanyards handmade for 10 bucks. Older 
flyline still in the box. I must liquidate down to my 0-1 weight, 3, weight, 4 
weight, 2-3 5 weights, 6 weight and 8 and 9 weight. Some cleassic reels like 
dawaii shaped in a triangle, cortland, Orvis Rocky Mountain, Madison maybe a 
Batterhorn, rod blanks, and so on. Keep paying attention. I am going to 
advertise the glass in a fiberglass rod site also. But this will come later and 
of course VFBer's get first choice. Prices will be fair but not dirt cheap.
 
 
Jim Phillips 
 
Deserttrout
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
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[VFB] Strange Weather

[Neville Gosling]

Alan:
 
I'm still laughing at your previous redneck quote about the fly swatter and
the boat that has not left the driveway for 15 years. 
 
Anyhow, I can't take high heat and so far this year it has not been a
problem here in BC - definitely on the cool and wet side.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: July 5, 2010 8:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Rope-dub swap +


Humidity hasn't started to rise yet.
It is probable 20-25%.
 
I'd be happy to take you to Apache Lake.
It is one of my favorites.
There are large and small mouth bass, Crappie and Walleyes in there.
 
Thank you,
Alan Di Somma 
 
You know your a redneck when:
 
You burn your yard, instead of mowing it...
 

 

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RE: [VFB] Big date tonight

[Neville Gosling]

Congratulations to Momma and Allan

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

 

> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [VFB] Big date tonight
> 
> Takin' Momma out tonight.
> 
> It may have taken me 54 years, but I FINALLY remembered  our 
> anniversary.
> 
> Hope the Big Macs are fresh.  ;-)
> 
> 
> a.
> -- 
> Allan Fish
> Greenwood, IN

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[VFB] Fishing report

[Neville Gosling]

I have just returned from a week long camping and fishing trip within 200
miles of where I live. Primarily, I was trying out my new-to-me 2001 Chalet
folding trailer or pop-up I think they are called.
Unfortunately, I have this need to drag the kitchen sink with me when I go
on such trips. I took far too many fly boxes and only used a handful of
flies and even tied some more during the trip. This was lake fishing for
Kamloops (rainbow) trout I and I chose the smaller more intimate lakes as I
prefer them The actual fishing was great but the catching was rather poor. I
was hoping for some sedge (caddis) hatches but only counted 3 for the whole
trip. It seems that the cold and wet spring messed up the hatches. I tried
fishing chironomids without success and after 3 days without so much as a
bite I ended up trolling a leech pattern as this was the method chosen by
the only person who was catching anything. My larger leech was ignored but
after swapping to a burgundy coloured micro leech (size 12) I had two
hook-ups in short succession. The first fish jumped twice with the hook
coming out on the second jump. The second fish was quite different. It came
straight towards the boat faster that I was able to strip the line in and
without being able to keep the line tight, that fish was also gone.
 
The next morning I did land a rainbow of about 4 pounds but it was still
slightly coloured (spawning). After that I landed a bright silver rainbow of
about 2 pounds. 
 
Moving to another small lake that I had never fished before, I decided to
fish from my float tube. You would have died laughing at me trying to get in
my float tube because the lake bottom was like quicksand only it was quick
mud. I had great difficulty in standing on one flipper equipped foot while
trying to extract the other from the mud and step into the float tube.
Eventually, after much frustration I succeeded albeit with mud from my
flippers flung here there and everywhere. Once on the water I started to get
hits almost immediately, but nothing that you could strike. There would be a
quick tug and then it was gone. I put this down to small fish but after a
while I replace my micro leech with one with a shorter body and virtually no
tail. I still experienced the quick sharp tugs as before then suddenly I had
a solid hook-up and the fish leapt out of the water some distance from me.
Kicking as hard as I could to assist in keeping the line tight and striping
in at the same time the fish jumped two more times. It was a beauty. Bright
silver and in the 4-5 pound range. By now, I had the line on the reel and I
was drawing the fish close to me when suddenly it dove into the depths with
a jag jag head shaking at the rod end and suddenly all went slack. The
barbless hook had let go.
 
Trying to extract myself and my float tube from the lake proved to be even
harder than getting in it. 
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

 

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RE: [VFB] Re: Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Neville Gosling]

I cannot find these hooks on Hagen's downloadable catalogue.  I think that
there must be a separate catalogue.
 
However, having said that, I would like to know more about the quality of
the hooks and the steel before buying.  I feel that Japanese hooks have the
best steel.  The hook is one of the most important parts of fly fishing, and
where I don't want to take chances.  I am a bit leery about Chinese
manufactured hooks, not so much the manufacturing but more the quality of
the metal.  My favourite hooks are made by Hayabusa of Japan and are of
superior quality. Gamakatsu are also very good. I can buy Asian (Chinese?)
copies of Tiemco hooks for a lot less but is the metal up to standard?
 
In my youth, the only hooks available to me were English, Norwegian and a
few VMC French. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: July 26, 2010 2:44 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap-
suggestion


KP & Al,  I finally got it to work today.  Yup, managed to get the catalog
pages up...one at a time.  Found a couple of pictures that didn't fit the
hook descriptions, so don't know which is right, the picture, the
description or possibly neither.  I should get the hard copy catalog in a
few days if my request went through.  If it says/looks the same I'll be
asking about the hook because it is a possibility as a hook I might want to
try.

Rodger

KP wrote: 

Its a European thing. It wont work here either and I have the latest

Adobe.

Hey ho

KEITH



  

These are a starting point only- gotta start somewhere.  10 swappers have to
settle on 10 hook styles and sizes.

That's why the swaps need to be separated- too many options over the broad
span of fishing.



DonO





  




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[VFB] Hagen's Hooks

[Neville Gosling]

Thanks Rodger:
 
As Harmen pointed out, these hooks are the same as Dai-Riki and the numbers
associated with the hooks appears to be the same. Dai-Riki were originally
made in Japan, then I bought some from Byard that were made in Korea.  Now
Hagen's are selling the same hooks in bulk at a very attractive price
whereas Byard ran into problems with Dan Bailey, the supplier of Dai-Riki
hooks because Byard was selling at less than the recommended retail price
and Byard dropped Dai-Riki as a result.  I wonder if they are still made in
Korea.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

 
 
 
 

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RE: [VFB] Bugger Saddle Necks are Going Outta-Sight!

[Neville Gosling]

Wes:

This is the response I get to your tiny URL below

Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada  

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> [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wes Wada
> Sent: July 24, 2010 12:02 PM
> To: VFB Mail
> Subject: [VFB] Bugger Saddle Necks are Going Outta-Sight!
> 
> Hi VFB!
> 
> Just returned from a local flyshop where I had a good talk with the
> owner, Peter.  It seems that the price of bugger-quality saddle hackle
> necks is skyrocketing.
> 
> Typical price increases are a plus $10 per neck, and Hareline
> products, in particular, are getting hard to locate.
> 
> The reason behind the increases and scarcity is the long skinny saddle
> hackles have become a trendy crafts item, and so that segment of the
> market is buying up all the necks.
> 
> Sample:
> http://tinyurl.com/2b9dge
> 
> I just budgeted a bunch of $$ to buy up as many remaining (now
> bargain) bugger saddle hackle necks as I can manage.  Don't want to
> spend over $40 for the new offerings.
> 
> 
> Wes Wada
> Bend, Oregon
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RE: [VFB] Hook swap

[Neville Gosling]

I have found that the quality of the Michael's bags to be rather poor. Too
thin and flimsy.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 
 
 


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Michaels Art & Crafts stores carry the small bags in bulk packages, very
reasonable $. 


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Wayne Blake-Hedges 
wrote:


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[VFB] Hook Swap

[Neville Gosling]

Although I am not a participant, I wanted to see what hooks have been
selected, and so I put the attached together. I did not include DonO's
options.
I'm not sure if Rodger Oleson is a participant.  This is perfectly lined up
as I type and I hope it stays thjat way when I hit send.
 
 
Name style   size   
Peggy Brenner700B10 
Joyce Westphal   135 16 
"70  16 
Rick Zieger  300 14 
Don Ordes320 10 
"320 12 
"320 14 
Don Ordes280 6  
"280 8  
"280 10 
"280 12 
Don Ordes270 4  
"270 6  
"270 8  
Rene Zillman 270 12 
Wayne Blake-Hedges   700 12 
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
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RE: [VFB] Hook Swap

[Neville Gosling]

So far there are:
 
6 participants
16 orders for 1,000 hooks each order
 
I am not sure how this is swap going to be distributed. If it was 10
different orders of 100 hooks each order for a single hook size & style it
would be as DonO suggested.  DonO's order is for 10, 000 hooks & is going to
amount to some $400.00 excluding postage.  How is this to be apportioned?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

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Sent: July 31, 2010 4:12 PM
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Subject: [VFB] Hook Swap


Although I am not a participant, I wanted to see what hooks have been
selected, and so I put the attached together. I did not include DonO's
options.
I'm not sure if Rodger Oleson is a participant.  This is perfectly lined up
as I type and I hope it stays thjat way when I hit send.
 
 

Name style   size   
Peggy Brenner700B10 
Joyce Westphal   135 16 
"70  16 
Rick Zieger  300 14 
Don Ordes320 10 
"320 12 
"320 14 
Don Ordes280 6  
"280 8  
"280 10 
"280 12 
Don Ordes270 4  
"270 6  
"270 8  
Rene Zillman 270 12 
Wayne Blake-Hedges   700 12 
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
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RE: [VFB] Hook Swap

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Joyce:


That's not what your message indicated. No size given for 070 so assumed
same as 135, but then this is not my sweap

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> Rick. I'd like 135 size 16 and 070 wet fly. I'll paypal you 
> 90.00 . Joyce

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[VFB] Correction Should read 1000

[Neville Gosling]

So far there are:
 
6 participants
16 orders for 1,000 hooks each order
 
I am not sure how this is swap going to be distributed. If it was 10
different orders of 1000 hooks each order for a single hook size & style it
would be as DonO suggested.  DonO's order is for 10, 000 hooks & is going to
amount to some $400.00 excluding postage.  How is this to be apportioned?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


Name style   size   
Peggy Brenner700B10 
Joyce Westphal   135 16 
"70  14 
Rick Zieger  300 14 
Don Ordes320 10 
"320 12 
"320 14 
Don Ordes280 6  
"280 8  
"280 10 
"280 12 
Don Ordes270 4  
"270 6  
"270 8  
Rene Zillman 270 12 
Wayne Blake-Hedges   700 12 

 

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RE: [VFB] Hook Swap

[Neville Gosling]

Hi DonO
 
Yes. I don't think that we had all the rules in place before the swap was
started and I for one found it confusing although I participated in more
than one Whiting Co-op swap. I must admit that I thought that you were
ordering 10,000 hooks because you had back-up second options.
 
Anyhow, I'll stay out and let Rick carry on. 
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: July 31, 2010 4:59 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Hook Swap


LOL, well I for sure don't want to buy 1000 of ALL of the ones I listed.
(not right now anyway)  
Those were just my most-wanted ones.
Green is a duplicate of ones I wanted for swapping.
700B could be used as a parachute emerger dry fly.
 
For this to work, though, everyone has to agree on 10 styles & sizes,
so that they would get 1/10th of each 1000 hook bag.
That's why I sent in 10 picks. I won't get all of the ones I want, but I buy
one of the bags.
 
If you only pick one, then what are the other 9 that you'll be getting 100
of?
What can you use for your type of fishing? 
 
Remember the Whiting Co-op swap:
Had to have 5 swappers pick 5 different saddles to divide up (I thing it was
5). Then you got 1/5th of each saddle- variety vs bulk and much better
pricing than the 10-paks.  But these were dry-fly saddles all, a narrow
range for a particular fly.  Byard picked out lots of 5 by requests and
availabily, like midge saddles, and 5 co-oppers signed up for each set.  If
you didn't want midge hackles or dry fly hackles, this was not your swap.
 
That's why I had a narrow window of trout hooks, but I could branch out with
other hooks I can use. 
 
Rick needs to evaluate the requests and negotiate the most favored hooks.
Swappers must give a range and not be too dead set.  Once he has 10 hooks
styles in 10 sizes that 10 swappers agree on, he has a complete co-op swap.
I will donate some hooks to Rick and some flies and make sure he has enough
$$$ for S&H to make it worth his while.
 
Hardest part- 10 swappers settle on 10 hook models and sizes.
Send Rick the average cost of all hooks (once settled), so that you don't
buy 1000 expensive hooks and get 900 less expensive hooks back.
Pay with Paypal or direct to Rick.
Send Rick a SABox with postage to be determined by Rick.  Include in box
whatever for Rick's efforts.
 
End result is that you'll have 10 bags of 100 hooks of styles and sizes you
want (1000 total) for around $45.
My 'tip' to Rick will be a 5-hook kick-back of each size.  Fair enough for
the work he'll do.
 
Once we work out the bugs, this method should work out as well as the
Whiting swaps did.
And there's no reason we can't do another Whiting Co-op swap, even is Byard
is on a different venture right now.
 
Saltwater SS hooks should be a separate swap for those in salt water.
 


Name style   size   
Peggy Brenner700B10 
Joyce Westphal   135 16 
"070?16 
Rick Zieger  300 14 
Don Ordes320 10 
"320 12 
"320 14 
Don Ordes280 6  
"280 8  
"280 10 
"280 12 
Don Ordes270 4  
"270 6  
"270 8  
Rene Zillman 270 12 
Wayne Blake-Hedges   700B?   12 
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 



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RE: [VFB] Hook Swap

[Neville Gosling]

P.S. I'm not sure why you highlighted Joyce's order for style 070 and Rene's
700 as they are both listed syles and as indicated in their messages, except
Joyce want's size 14 not 16 in the 070 style.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: July 31, 2010 5:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [VFB] Hook Swap


Hi DonO
 
Yes. I don't think that we had all the rules in place before the swap was
started and I for one found it confusing although I participated in more
than one Whiting Co-op swap. I must admit that I thought that you were
ordering 10,000 hooks because you had back-up second options.
 
Anyhow, I'll stay out and let Rick carry on. 
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Sent: July 31, 2010 4:59 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Hook Swap


LOL, well I for sure don't want to buy 1000 of ALL of the ones I listed.
(not right now anyway)  
Those were just my most-wanted ones.
Green is a duplicate of ones I wanted for swapping.
700B could be used as a parachute emerger dry fly.
 
For this to work, though, everyone has to agree on 10 styles & sizes,
so that they would get 1/10th of each 1000 hook bag.
That's why I sent in 10 picks. I won't get all of the ones I want, but I buy
one of the bags.
 
If you only pick one, then what are the other 9 that you'll be getting 100
of?
What can you use for your type of fishing? 
 
Remember the Whiting Co-op swap:
Had to have 5 swappers pick 5 different saddles to divide up (I thing it was
5). Then you got 1/5th of each saddle- variety vs bulk and much better
pricing than the 10-paks.  But these were dry-fly saddles all, a narrow
range for a particular fly.  Byard picked out lots of 5 by requests and
availabily, like midge saddles, and 5 co-oppers signed up for each set.  If
you didn't want midge hackles or dry fly hackles, this was not your swap.
 
That's why I had a narrow window of trout hooks, but I could branch out with
other hooks I can use. 
 
Rick needs to evaluate the requests and negotiate the most favored hooks.
Swappers must give a range and not be too dead set.  Once he has 10 hooks
styles in 10 sizes that 10 swappers agree on, he has a complete co-op swap.
I will donate some hooks to Rick and some flies and make sure he has enough
$$$ for S&H to make it worth his while.
 
Hardest part- 10 swappers settle on 10 hook models and sizes.
Send Rick the average cost of all hooks (once settled), so that you don't
buy 1000 expensive hooks and get 900 less expensive hooks back.
Pay with Paypal or direct to Rick.
Send Rick a SABox with postage to be determined by Rick.  Include in box
whatever for Rick's efforts.
 
End result is that you'll have 10 bags of 100 hooks of styles and sizes you
want (1000 total) for around $45.
My 'tip' to Rick will be a 5-hook kick-back of each size.  Fair enough for
the work he'll do.
 
Once we work out the bugs, this method should work out as well as the
Whiting swaps did.
And there's no reason we can't do another Whiting Co-op swap, even is Byard
is on a different venture right now.
 
Saltwater SS hooks should be a separate swap for those in salt water.
 


Name style   size   
Peggy Brenner700B10 
Joyce Westphal   135 16 
"070?16 
Rick Zieger  300 14 
Don Ordes320 10 
"320 12 
"320 14 
Don Ordes280 6  
"280 8  
"280 10 
"280 12 
Don Ordes270 4  
"270 6  
"270 8  
Rene Zillman 270 12 
Wayne Blake-Hedges   700B?   12 
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 



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[VFB] Juice-bug tutorial

[Neville Gosling]

Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the
Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find
chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used
didn't have the red but I did order hot pink.   One supplier only shipped
UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one.  
 
Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of
toluene, MEK & Acetone or do they all work individually?
 
Next on the list is the vinyl cement,
 
I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

 

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[VFB] Ed Koch

[Neville Gosling]

I just learned that Ed Koch, author of "Fishing the Midge" passed away
recently at age 78.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

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[VFB] Gudebrod

[Neville Gosling]

This is not good!
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 





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Rod making legend lays off entire workforce
  

Posted: 05 Aug 2010 12:02 AM PDT

 gudebrod NCP thread
 The
Gudebrod thread company appears to be another casualty of recent economic
upheaval, with banks unwilling to lend and small businesses caught without
capital.

Gudebrod has been synonymous with silk and rod winding threads for decades,
yet has been forced to lay off its entire workforce.

W.E. "Nat" LeGrande Jr., company president, said he is hopeful the layoffs,
which occurred Friday, will be temporary. He said about 60 to 65 union and
non-union workers have been temporarily laid off from the 274 Shoemaker Road
facility while the financially troubled, family-owned company seeks new
capital.

- via
 The Mercury

The company has been struggling since the loss of the Glide dental floss
contract in 2007, which represented 63% of their net business, proving yet
again how little angling dollars contribute to a company's bottom line.

Us hoarders have learned to snatch up whatever stocks remain, as too often
published reports of "temporary" setbacks are found to be permanent
closures.

It's likely someone will fill the gap, but if you're an aficionado of their
products I would lay in a goodly supply of the colors used most. They can
use the bucks, and you'd be covered for the foreseeable future.

Gudebrod makes a wide variety of silk, nylon, and Kevlar threads for both
rods and flytying. Their "NCP" (no color preservative) thread was quite the
rage in the day as it remained opaque with no loss of color when a rod
finish was applied.

Thread making must be a hellish business as we've lost both Danville's
Monocord and (perhaps) the entire Gudebrod line in the same year.

Gudebrod thread, rod wrapping thread, Danville Monocord, NCP thread,

 



  
 
 
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RE: [VFB] Gudebrod

[Neville Gosling]

The report I received said the entire workforce - my take is that the are
totally closed down and unless they can find some capital, the company is
likely finished.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joyce Westphal
Sent: August 6, 2010 4:20 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Gudebrod


Is this true for sewing thread as well? I sew with Gudebrod thread from the
fabric store. Joyce 



I was on the Gudebrod Pro Staff for 6 or 7 years. They closed down the
program because it was not financially productive. I guess that is the
reason for shutting down the tying thread production too. Personally I think
it was the best tying thread made. Yes, that is my opinion. Now it looks
like all thread production is shut down.
Tony

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From: Neville Gosling 
Subject: [VFB] Gudebrod
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 11:36 AM 


This is not good!
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 






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Rod making
<http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/Singlebarbed/%7E3/dtbHbVc7vU8/?utm_source=
feedburner&utm_medium=email> legend lays off entire workforce 

Posted: 05 Aug 2010 12:02 AM PDT

gudebrod NCP thread The Gudebrod thread company appears to be another
casualty of recent economic upheaval, with banks unwilling to lend and small
businesses caught without capital.

Gudebrod has been synonymous with silk and rod winding threads for decades,
yet has been forced to lay off its entire workforce.

W.E. "Nat" LeGrande Jr., company president, said he is hopeful the layoffs,
which occurred Friday, will be temporary. He said about 60 to 65 union and
non-union workers have been temporarily laid off from the 274 Shoemaker Road
facility while the financially troubled, family-owned company seeks new
capital.

- via The Mercury
<http://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2010/08/03/news/srv008996077.t
xt> 

The company has been struggling since the loss of the Glide dental floss
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closures.

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RE: [VFB] Fly Rod Identification

[Neville Gosling]

Jim:
 
I can't help you either. A google search came up with nothing. Is the
spelling correct?
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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Never did see it posted, The rod name is a new one to me.
Tony

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From: jim phillips 
Subject: [VFB] Fly Rod Identification
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com, "Nic Runarsson"

Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 10:52 PM


I sent out this yesterday and received no response. Maybe I put to much info
on other stuff in it also but want to know about the rods. Anyone please
 
Stromslavdar Soft Series 
0/1 and 3/4 weights

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[VFB] RE: 2010 Ant Swap

[Neville Gosling]

Me too. I my mind, I was thinking that the deadline was Aug 31st. I'll get
them done asap and will cross the border and mail .
Sorry if I am holding things up.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

 


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From: Scott Bearden [mailto:scott.bear...@gmail.com] 
Sent: August 12, 2010 5:49 PM
To: J McK
Cc: Allan Fish; Charles Connell; Curtis Watts; Don Ordes; Michael Bliss;
Neville Gosling; Patrick Harnish; Peggy Brenner; Jim Hodson; Thomas; Wes
Wada; Chuck Alexander; Gary L Webb
Subject: Re: 2010 Ant Swap


Hey guys I completely forgot about this. I can get them in the mail on
Monday if it isn't too late. 

Sorry,

Scott


On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:30 AM, J McK  wrote:


Swaps full looking forward to seeing your flies. Hope you all had a great
fathers day.
 
 
Ant's size 14 or smaller
 
1.   Don Ordes
2.   Wes Wade
3.   Patrick Harnish
4.   Neville Gosling
5.   Curtis Watts
6.   Michael Bliss
7.   Peggy Brenner
8.   Chuck Alexander
9.   Jim Hodson
10. Thomas Eckert
11. Gary Web
12. Scott Bearden
13. Allen Fish
14. Charles Connell
15. Jerry McKaughan
 

Regular rules, 15 tiers tying 16 flies one for donation to Children's
Hospital Auction(I'll provide the box)
 
Sign-up cut off June 18th 2010, flies due August 12th 2010.

Please notice the address below is the address to send flies with return
postage.
 
 

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P. O. Box 85
Pottsville, AR 72858
www.caddisflyfishers.org <http://www.caddisflyfishers.org/> 





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FW: [VFB] Automatic fly reels

[Neville Gosling]

Did you eat the reels as well? Chuckle!
 
That's the spell checker for you - it gets confused between nutricious and
notorious!
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 


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When retrieving the line and coming to the end ,especially when the leader
comes through the tip top. The line speeds up enough to form a loop that
wraps on the tip of the rod and "snap" the tip off. In the bamboo and early
glass days, it was something that happened a lot when retrieving  the line
at the end of the fishing day, it would be retrieved fast without thinking .
You had to just "tap" the lever when retrieving the line so that it would
come in slow. These reels were nutritious for jambing up if any dirt got
onto them. If they did, the line could not be wrapped on the spool. When
taking them apart to clean them, the retrieve spring would come out and
"bite" you if you were not careful.. I have taken several apart and getting
the spring back was a chore.
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RE: [VFB] Searching for Glenn Overton

[Neville Gosling]

the last address that I have is

Glenn Overton [glennover...@libby.org]

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 
http://www.totemflyfishers.ca
 
 


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> Subject: [VFB] Searching for Glenn Overton
> 
> Hi List,
> i tried to contact Glenn, but his email addy isn't valid any more.
> Anybody any idea about his whereabouts?
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RE: [VFB] question

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Take some ants with you!
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

http://www.totemflyfishers.ca  

 

 


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I'm planning a trip to the White River September 10th through 12th, we will
be floating and I was
wondering if you all could suggest equipment and flies?

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P. O. Box 9104
Russellville, AR 72811
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[VFB] Rope Dub Swap

[Neville Gosling]

Crossed the border & retrieved my Rope-Dub swap flies today from my USPS PO
box.  Great set of flies! 
Thanks to all who participated and especially to DonO who organized the
swap.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling,
Greater Vancouver, B.C.
Canada
 
 

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RE: [VFB] Rope Dub Swap

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Peggy:

The Fulling Mill hooks are made by Hayabusa of Japan and are my favourite
trout hook but don't come in large enough sizes for steelhead here. When is
your Club's next order going in?  

Re your green beadhead caddis - is the beadhead aluminum in that colour?

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 
http://www.totemflyfishers.ca
 
 



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> Subject: Re: [VFB] Rope Dub Swap
> 
> My rope dub flies arrived today, and what a nice set!  I'm ready to 
> experiment some more with the technique and some new patters.
> 
>I was real happy to see someone else using Fulling Mill hooks, we 
> have a local club, in Manchester, NH that places a order annually for 
> the club members. They are great hooks and hold up to steel head and 
> salmon on the Salmon River in NY, where most of these guys fish!
> 
> Peggy
> 
> Neville Gosling wrote:
> > Crossed the border & retrieved my Rope-Dub swap flies today 
> from my USPS 
> > PO box.  Great set of flies!
> > Thanks to all who participated and especially to DonO who 
> organized the 
> > swap.
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RE: [VFB] Fulling Mill Hooks

[Neville Gosling]

That's easy to answer. One word sums it up - Quality.
 
You can have the best rod, reel and line available, but in my opinion, the
most important link is the hook.
 
Neville (Nev) Gosling,
Greater Vancouver, B.C.
Canada

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Hi Peggy & Neville;
 
What about these hooks do you like so much??
 
Wayne


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RE: [VFB] Future Fly Tier/Fly Fisher

[Neville Gosling]

Congratulations Grandpa!

Neville (Nev) Gosling,
Greater Vancouver, B.C.
Canada
 

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Subject: [VFB] Future Fly Tier/Fly Fisher


Ryan Thomas Burke.

Sept. 6th 10:57 AM CDT
7lbs, 14 oz / 3.542 kg
20 inches /  50.8 cm

Sixth grandchild.  First child for mom Melissa and dad Jarred.

Photos here:  http://spmh.org/tabid/62/Default.aspx?code=1dvLt4s

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[VFB] Ant fly swap

[Neville Gosling]

Crossed the Canada/USA border and picked up the ant swap flies from the Post
Office in Blaine, WA.
 
Great set of ants. Most of which were much more delicate and smaller than
mine. A good selection of well tied traditional style thread or fur ants, a
very nice CDC ant from Thomas (I doubt that I would be able to see it in the
water,- just hang on and wait for a pull!) , Wes's GT ant and detailed
instructions for tying and DonO's bead ant. 
 
A special thanks to Jerry for hosting and for the extra tie-fast tool.
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

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RE: [VFB] Netscape mail still messed up

[Neville Gosling]

You reached Vancouver Canada

Neville (Nev) Gosling,
Greater Vancouver, B.C.
Canada


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If any of you receive this email, please let me know. This is thru Webmail
and will very likely remain my email workhorse.

Thanks,

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[VFB] Google Groups Changes

[Neville Gosling]

Fellow VFB'ers
 
I received the following message from Google and I'm not sure how or if it
will affect the VFB google groups. I have a google group of my own.
 
Neville Gosling
Greater Vancouver, BC
Canada
 
Hello,

Since you are an owner of at least one Google Groups group that uses the
customized welcome message, pages or files, we are writing to inform you
that we will no longer be supporting these features starting February 2011.
We made this decision so that we can focus on improving the core
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RE: [VFB] Horrible Trip!!!!

[Neville Gosling]

Laughing like a drain!
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

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RE: [VFB] Fly Reels

[Neville Gosling]

There's more thatn one manufacturer:
 
1)Bache Brown "Mastereel" or "Airex" by the same company that made
Lionel Model Trains, and
 
2)   A. ABBEY & IMBRIE.
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

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Sent: October 29, 2010 2:19 PM
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Does anyone recall the name of the reels made in an aircraft factory on Long
Island, NY in the 70's?  I have one of the big ones and am curious.
Regards,
Skip



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RE: [VFB] Fly Reels

[Neville Gosling]

Mike:
 
As I young kid, I sold my electric train set to buy a fishing reel.
 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

 


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Sent: October 29, 2010 4:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Fly Reels


Wow Neville you are good.  I do not have one of those reels but I had a
lionel train.
 
Mike


On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Neville Gosling 
wrote:


There's more thatn one manufacturer:
 
1)Bache Brown "Mastereel" or "Airex" by the same company that made
Lionel Model Trains, and
 
2)   A. ABBEY & IMBRIE.
 


Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver,
B.C. Canada 

 

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[VFB] Eggi Jaun Kenobi

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Joyce:

While I have never tied this particular fly? I have tied lots of Glo bugs.
For me, the key to a successful glo bug is tying the glo bug yarn as tight
as I can to the hook. I usually tie 3 or however many pieces of yarn at the
same time and not one after another. The key is to center the thread in just
one place on the hook, then it takes the round shape more easily after being
trimmed. You also have to pull upwards quite hard when cutting the yarn to
the desired length.

You photos were fine BTW.

Neville Gosling



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Subject: [VFB] attention Don Ordes

Here's an example of my difficulty tying the Eggi Jaun Kenobi fly.
Just can't get the eggs right. Any help will be appreciated. Joyce


IMG_0271.JPG

These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google.
Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/

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[VFB] Tups Indsipensible dubbing

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Wayne:

 

That is a lot of trouble to go to in order to make up the dubbing. Do you
think that it makes any difference to the fish?

 

Neville Gosling

 

 

From: Wayne Blake-Hedges
<http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wayneb22...@yahoo.com>  

To: virtual flybox
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Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM

Subject: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible

 


Hi Dono;

 

Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg

 

The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made wool
dubbing from the following reciepie:  To prepare the dubbing, cut off
approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) "Fisherman's Wool". This is
available from Lion Brand Yarn Company (http://www.LionBrand.com
<http://www.lionbrand.com/> ). Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114)
yarn, also available from Lion Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool
comes from Felt Works Dimensions and is available from many craft stores.
Take the lengths of Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch
pieces. First blend the Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine
the two and mix again in a blender. Once these are blended, tease out
approximately 1 inch of cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into
quarter-inch pieces. Blend with the previous two. This results in a creamy
pink dubbing with just a hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout
the wad."

I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working
for me.

 

Wayneb

 

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RE: [VFB] Tups Indsipensible dubbing

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Wayne:

 

It is not so much the making of the dubbing but, for me at least, it is the
time spent trying to track down the ingredients. It is possible that one
could get some of the ingredients here (in Canada) if one knows where to go
to get it.  Sometimes, I find that I have to mail order from the USA which
is what I did for the jelly rope, however I got the wrong size.

 

Neville Gosling

 

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[VFB] Jim Phillips' e-mail

[Neville Gosling]

It looks like someone has hacked into Jim Phillips' e-mail.

 

Neville Gosling

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[VFB] RE: Web-cam

[Neville Gosling]

I have a Logitech web-cam and it works fine for viewing another person
online. I also have a web-cam built into my laptop. However I think that it
would be difficult to set up a webcam in order to view someone tying a fly
so that sufficient details could be viewed by another party. Most web-cams
are designed to view a person's face and not the intricate details of tying
a fly.  

 

Neville Gosling

Greater Vancouver, BC

Canada

 

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Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Hello

 


I will check my Wal Mart tomorrow when I get there. Not many places to buy a
webcam in my area.
Tony

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From: Don Ordes 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Hello
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:16 AM

Webcam Pro 9000  http://www.logitech.com/en-us/38/6333   $80.  

 

Next best thing to being there.  Or worst. 

 

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RE: [VFB] emerger

[Neville Gosling]

Emerger? It's nothing more than a lure and an ugly one at that!

Nev Gosling
Greater Vancouver
BC Canada


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I didn't get the url for the video, but I found it quickly again by googling
NUCLEE-R  flies, peacock emerger 

LJ  

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RE: [VFB] emerger

[Neville Gosling]

You might as well use a flatfish!

Re: NorVise I have one. I bought it secondhand and I like it for certain
types of flies. You can sure apply dubbing very quickly and effectively with
it using the full rotary function. I use different vises for different
purposes. I use a 1984 Regal Inex for tying tubes and larger steelhead
flies. Each vise has its own advantages and disadvantages.


Neville Gosling


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Subject: RE: [VFB] emerger

>Emerger? It's nothing more than a lure and an ugly one at that!

Agreed - but Neville, he says the fish love it.  I may have to try 
one of those out.  Who knows?  Maybe I'll become a lure fisherman. :-P

I still find it interesting that people pay all those big bucks for 
true rotary vises (Nor-vise in this case) and barely use the rotary 
function.  The majority use it just to turn the fly over to look at 
the far side AFTER they've finished the fly.



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RE: [VFB] Re: now tube flies- reply

[Neville Gosling]

Hey Deb:
 
We miss you too. I haven't seen a posting from you for it seems years.
Try and find some time.

Cheers

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver
British Columbia, Canada



Miss you guys,
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RE: [VFB] Re: New Grandson

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Jimmy:

Congratulations Grandpa!


Neville (Nev) Gosling
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Canada

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RE: [VFB] Linesend FLy Shop still active - Please read

[Neville Gosling]

Ashley:

 

The original VFB list was put together by Byard Miller and if I remember
correctly was hosted on the internet by Jacob & Co. 

When Jacob & Co quit providing the hosting with little warning, Byard went
to Google Groups for hosting. 

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

Greater Vancouver, BC

Canada

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Linesend FLy Shop still active - Please read

 

If you look at the terms and conditions google do own the list.

 

However, the group leader/owner is indeed Byard as he started it.
Linesend.com is therefore the right full sponsor of the list.

 

The list has it was before, I believe was on Byards server but I  may be
wrong on this.

 

It would be nice if Byard put us right on this to stop the confusion but
this is my understanding of how it works.

 

Ashley

 

 

On 13 November 2010 20:04, Chuck Alexander 
wrote:

I thought Google was the sponsor of this list?? Chuck

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[VFB] Re: now tube flies- reply

[Neville Gosling]

Deb and Others

I attended a fly fishing show in Bellvue WA in February 2009 and while at
the show, purchased a tube fly kit from the Eumer stand.

I agree with Deb that the Eumer products are expensive and that the discs
tend to chip easily.

Since then, I have purchased some of the Mikael Frodin "Fits" tubes and
accessories including Hakan Norling's step tapered needle.

I am still playing around with both, but never seem to find enough time to
do what I want and so it becomes a seasonal thing. Tubes for steelhead in
the winter, Chironomid and attractors in the spring, dries & nymphs in the
summer, salmon flies in the fall and then start all over again.


Neville (Nev) Gosling


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[VFB] Re: Not for the queasy!

[Neville Gosling]

Larry and all:

We didn't give them away, they were forcefully taken away. All it takes is
for some insane individual to shoot a bunch of people with a handgun and
that insanity is applied to all the sane gun owners and their rights are
taken away.

Neville (Nev) Gosling


I was thinking more on the lines of "Canada is for those who have given
their gun rights away" Sounds tough and strong to me...

Larry J

>>> "Neville Gosling"  11/22/2010 1:45 PM >>>
Yes Larry, Canada is for the tough & strong!

 

Cheers

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver, BC
Canada

 

 



 





 

 











 

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RE: [VFB] Webcam

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Tony:

 

It's ok for Skype and similar communications where both parties see each
other on their PC or laptop screens. As I said before, they are designed to
view the face of the caller and personally I don't think that they are good
enough to view a tying sequence. I'm not saying it is impossible, just
difficult to do. I suspect that a person would have to set it up so that the
webcam pointed away from the PC operator in order to view a fly tying
sequence. Just my 2 Cents worth.

 

P.S. If you want to try it with Skype on a face to face conversation, I'm
willing to be your guinea pig!

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Subject: [VFB] Webcam

 


There was a tread on Webcams a couple if weeks ago. My son gave me a 1.3
Webcam last week. I was wondering if that was good enough to use or should I
exchange it for a higher resolution cam.
Tony

 

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[VFB] Webcam

[Neville Gosling]

Wayne:

 

I just noticed the following statement at the bottom of the page - I was
thinking Camera pixels.

 

"Our webcam pixel mean picture pixel, it is not camera pixel . Webcam pixel
is the product of multiplication between the width of capture and the length
of capture. Pixel has dynamic pixel and static pixel. The Static pixel is
used to capture pictures, and the dynamic pixel is to capture video. The
video pixel of webcam is more important if it is used for video, and the
picture pixel is more important if it is used to capture pictures. Our
webcam mean picture pixel. There are many parameters can impact the effect
of the webcam, IC, layer of glass lens Etc."

 

Neville Gosling

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RE: [VFB] Webcam

[Neville Gosling]

Wayne:

 

There's only one way to find out. Seems very cheap for 12 megapixels.

 

Neville Gosling

 

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Sent: December-01-10 4:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Webcam

 


Hi All;

 

Saw this webcam on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/12-0-Mega-USB-6-LED-Webcam-Web-Cam-Camera-PC-Laptop-Mic-
/170544645704?pt=PCA_Video_Conferencing_Webcams
<http://cgi.ebay.com/12-0-Mega-USB-6-LED-Webcam-Web-Cam-Camera-PC-Laptop-Mic
-/170544645704?pt=PCA_Video_Conferencing_Webcams&hash=item27b540c648>
&hash=item27b540c648

 

Any idea if it's any good?  Would it be usefull for tying instruction?

 

Wayne

 

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RE: [VFB] Gudebrod

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Nick:

I beg to differ. They ran into serious financial difficulties and layed off
the entire staff. Production was ended for a period of time while the owners
sought financial help. I believe that they sold off the medical and dental
floss side of the business and the electronics division assets only.

 

They are now back concentrating on what they do best - Fishing threads etc.

 

See:

 

http://carwild.net/gudebrod/

 

 

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling 

 

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Gudebrod was never "out" from business. They only terminated their fly-tying
program, but they never quit supplying their rod wrapping thread.

 

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RE: [VFB] glossy heads

[Neville Gosling]

Do you mean "archive" or "Achieve"?

Nev gosling
Canada

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If you want to archive a glossy head on the fly on a photo, how do you
archive it?
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RE: [VFB] glossy heads

[Neville Gosling]

Rene:

I use Veniards "Cellire in black

I also have some very old Pharmacist Formula "Competition Glossy" head
cement and Angler's Corner "Wet Cement" which is also very old.

Nev. Gosling
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[VFB] FW: MyFlies.com - Great Holiday Gift Ideas!

[Neville Gosling]

Hey DonO or should I say "Mr Fantasy er Flies"   (VBG)

 

I came across this today!  Tell me, what's it like to be famous?

 

Cheers

Neville (Nev) Discerning Gosling

Canada

 

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[VFB] Red Frances Tube fly

[Neville Gosling]

 

 

 



 

 

This is my first Red Frances tube fly which is an Icelandic pattern that I
have always wanted to try for steelhead.

 

tied by Jens
  Lund Adamsen
Current Tags for This Pattern
  / Brown
  / Red
  / Saddle
  / tube
  / 
Fly Type: Salmon Flies
Target Species: Atlantic Salmon
Recommended Region: General Europe
Imitation: Shrimp/Prawns
Material List: Red Frances
Tube: Eumer crayfish tube
Mouth: Fiery brown Artic fox
Feelers: Wild boar body hair
Eyes: Large Fly Eyes
Body: Red wool
Palmer hackle: Brown cock saddle

Tying Instructions: Straight forward
Presentation Tips: Red Frances is a favourite fly in Iceland.

 

 

I couldn't get any fiery brown artic fox for the mouth or  any wild boar
body hair for the feelers

& so I used some brown bear hair and small porcupine quills.

 

This is teid on a Eumer tube.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

Greater Vancouver, BC

Canada

 

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[VFB] tube flies

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Rene:

I've seen this idea before but it does not appeal to me. I prefer to have a
selection of tube flies ready built that work for me. I don't like the idea
of multiple tubes. I would consider placing a cone in front of a tube if I
wanted to fish deeper and did not have a heavier tube, however, that would
mean that I would have to ensure that the cone stays in place by jamming a
wooden toothpick between the line and the cone. 

 
Neville (Nev) Gosling



Hi
in a recent mag I found an interesting article about a 'tube fly
construction kit' for streamside use.
The concept is, that you tie the components of a tube fly (Wing, body,
front hackle,..) on seperate, short tubes and later on the water, you
select a body, a wing etc., fiddle them on your leader, attach the hook,
and voila..
I' just started to build some of these components.
Anybody else has done this so far?
Rene



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RE: [VFB] Whiting Eurohackles?

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NoBuggs! It's a chicken that flies. Rather like a Euro airbus chicken! But I
want one that swims.

Veronica

 

What's an Euro-Chicken?  A chicken with only a left wing?

Buggs

 

 

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RE: [VFB] Whiting Eurohackles?

[Neville Gosling]

Wait a mo Buggs, I'll go and look. No it's not my handwriting - must be
Veronica's

 

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Subject: Re: [VFB] Whiting Eurohackles?

 

Now wait a minuteWho is writing here?

Neville...is that you?

 

Buggs

- Original Message - 

From: Neville Gosling <mailto:nev.gosl...@shaw.ca>  

 

NoBuggs! It's a chicken that flies. Rather like a Euro airbus chicken! But I
want one that swims.

Veronica

 

What's an Euro-Chicken?  A chicken with only a left wing?

Buggs

 

 

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[VFB] Whiting Eurohackles?

[Neville Gosling]

HI Joyce:

 

Thanks for the info and link. I thought the marketing was interesting - the
name "Euro-hackles."  If I walked into a fly shop that sells whiting
products and asked to see their Euro-hackles, they wouldn't have the
foggiest idea of what I was talking about. In fact, I might get some strange
looks!

 

Some of these Whiting saddles and capes look so appealing to a fly tier.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

Greater Vancouver,

Canada

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Subject: Re: [VFB] Whiting Eurohackles?

 

If you want to buy your Whiting in colors in the USA, I'd suggest


http://www.jimsflyco.com/.  He has a great selection and good prices as
well. If you tell him the size hackle you want, he'll get you a saddle that
is predominantly that size. I am just a satisfied customer, and love what he
sells. Joyce\

 

 

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[VFB] whiting co-op swaps

[Neville Gosling]

Yes, those whiting co-op swaps were great. Too bad they are no longer
available.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Subject: Re: [VFB] Whiting Eurohackles?

 

I recently bought an 1/2 Euro-Saddle in grizzly.
The feathers are on the other side of a midge saddle, size 12 and larger, a
bit web on them.
I like them for parachutes, and larger dries for sure.
Look a bit like the flatwing saddles, we shared years ago
Rene




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RE: [VFB] whiting co-op swaps

[Neville Gosling]

I think that it would have to be someone who is resident in the USA that
meisters the swap or there could be customs or tax problems.

Generally I don't have to pay when bringing across the border for personal
use, but large quantities may be a different matter.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling 

 

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Subject: Re: [VFB] whiting co-op swaps

 

Byard used to meister them and do the plucking & repackaging.

 

If someone had the time and inclination, and was a long-standing member of
the VFB in good standing and accessible by other VFB-ers, I could get them
set up with Dr. Tom to get wholesale pricing on 'co-op' saddles.

 

This time he will send the re-packaging bags and header cards, so there's no
problem with his re-packaging rules.

 

DonO

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RE: [VFB] whiting co-op swaps

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Yes, I can believe that!

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

 

Sitting at the kitchen table plucking and sorting two saddles into 12 piles
each is not something you easily forget.

 

 

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[VFB] "buggy cruncher nymph"

[Neville Gosling]

Joyce:

 

"buggy cruncher nymph"

 

I think that you have been reading too many British fly fishing/tying
magazines!

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

I love the buggy color of Jims own dyed golden olive saddle..it makes the
greatest buggy cruncher nymph.  Joyce

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RE: [VFB] OT 60 years

[Neville Gosling]

Hearty congratulations to both of you and especially to Dot for being so
understanding of someone so badly afflicted!

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

Greater Vancouver, BC

Canada

 

 


A number of you have met my wife Dot
Today Dot and I are celebrating 60 years of wedded bliss.? She has put
up with my fly tying, canoe building, airplane building, photography, fly
fishing and now bamboo rod making along with other hobbies like wood and
leather carving and furniture building.
I guess I can't complain.
Arkansas Tony

 

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[VFB] Merry Christmas & Happy New Year

[Neville Gosling]

To everyone on the Virtual Fly Box, Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

Greater Vancouver, BC

Canada

 

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RE: [VFB] RE: Joe Fusco

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Joe was on VFB but unfortunately I think that he had some health problems
and was going to be off-list for a while.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Subject: [VFB] RE: Joe Fusco

 


Hi All;

 

Is Joe Fusco on the VFB?

 

I know he was on some group I belonged to and haven't seen him post for a
long time.

 

You okay Joe???

 

Wayneb

 

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[VFB] To unsubscribe

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How does one unsubscribe from this group, I have tried everything and
nothing works

Someone please help me

 

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[VFB] Wrapping single foot guides.

[Neville Gosling]

The key to wrapping single foot guides is to start the wrap on the blank,
then wrap the thread over the guide foot and then place a small number of
wraps (3-4) immediately behind the foot and the guide. This helps to lock it
in place.  Then coat the wrap with whatever finish you are using and one has
to look real hard to see the wraps behind the foot. I've never had a single
foot guide that I have personally wrapped come loose ...yet!

 

Neville Gosling

 

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Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: What's everybody tying??

 


Not to be a smart butt, they were not wrapped right. 
I dislike wrapping them. There are several types, I have used two types. If
I was going to use them, I would use the "Arrow head" type.
Tony

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Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: What's everybody tying??
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 5:02 PM

> It is a personal thing, I just don't like them. I guess I was weened on
Snake Guides.
> Another thing. if not wrapped right, they will slip out from the wrap.

I made one rod with single foot guides quite a few years back (okay,
probably 30!). Never again.  Even though they were tightly wrapped and had
several coats of epoxy on them, I had a guide slip out.  I lost the guide,
but since it was the only fly rod I had, I went out fishing with it and
derned if another guide didn't come out of the wraps.

I"ll stick with Snake guides, thank you.

But of course, I'm old and crotchety.  

a.
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[VFB] Fly rod guides

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Tony:

 

I agree. Single foot guides on a bamboo rod would be sacrilege and
esthetically unpleasant!  While I have used single foot guides, I prefer
good quality snakes for all my fly rods.  I have modern fly rod with single
foots and I don't like the sound as the line passes through the single foots
- they are noisier than snakes.  Rod manufacturers like single foots because
less wraps reduces the cost.  I used to think snake guides were old
fashioned but in fact, they are quite efficient.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Wayne, As I said, to each his own. If you make a bamboo rod with me and plan
on single foot guides, you will have to take it home to wrap it. LOL  Now I
stand to be stomped on by single footers.
Tony

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From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: What's everybody tying??
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 9:11 PM


Hi Tony;

 

I see, for me I started assembling spinning rods prior to fly rods.  Most of
the spinning rods I built used single foot guides so I guess single foot
guides look more "normal"  to me.  I'm working on a 7'6" fiberglass 3wt and
actually using single foot ceramic ring lock guides just to see how it works
compared to more conventional fly guides.  I have another 7'6" glass blank
that I plan on using single foot titanium fly guides to see how much the two
differ.

 

I think if I built a bamboo rod, I have to use snakes just for the nostalga
aspect. I do envision single foot guides on it though.

 

Wayneb

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From: Anthony Spezio 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: What's everybody tying??
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 5:55 PM


It is a personal thing, I just don't like them. I guess I was weened on
Snake Guides.
Another thing. if not wrapped right, they will slip out from the wrap. Again
we do what we want to do and what pleases us.
Tony

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From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: What's everybody tying??
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Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 7:37 PM


Hi Tony;

 "BLACK SINGLE FOOT GUIDES!! the bain of rod making "

 

Why???

 

 

Wayneb


 

 

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RE: [VFB] Fly rod guides

[Neville Gosling]

Wayne et al:

 

Apart from the ceramic lined stripper, the single foot guides are unlined. I
am using a standard Rio or Cortland line not the SA textured sharkskin
lines.  I could be blindfolded and still recognize this commercially made
rod by the sound that the line makes passing through the single foot guides.
Having said that, I have not noticed any change to the distance of the cast.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Fly rod guides

 


Hi Neville;

 

I have an 8ft 6wt fly rod with gold single foot guides and don't notice any
sound at all.  The builder did use pretty large guides though to keep the
line away from the rod, I think theyr'e sizes 4's and 3's.  I also have
another custom built rod, a 7ft 11wt rod built for kayak fishing for
redfish. It has ELEVEN guides, first two double foot rest, single foot and
all are recoil guides.  I know it sounds like a weird design but it's a real
cannon, even with a 9wt bas bug taper.  I can't recall it making much noise
either.  I don't fish it very often because it's a fast graphite rod and I
only use it if I'm fishing on really windy days, then it excells even with
an underweight line.

 

Wayneb

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From: Neville Gosling 
Subject: [VFB] Fly rod guides
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:56 AM

Hi Tony:

 

I agree. Single foot guides on a bamboo rod would be sacrilege and
esthetically unpleasant!  While I have used single foot guides, I prefer
good quality snakes for all my fly rods.  I have modern fly rod with single
foots and I don't like the sound as the line passes through the single foots
- they are noisier than snakes.  Rod manufacturers like single foots because
less wraps reduces the cost.  I used to think snake guides were old
fashioned but in fact, they are quite efficient.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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RE: [VFB] Fly rod guides

[Neville Gosling]

Not at all. It is 10' 3" in length, 12 guides inc stripper and tiptop, is
rated AFTM 4/5 and is my go to rod for nymphing and Czech nymphing in
particular.

Not much casting with Czech nymphing.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:37 AM
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Subject: RE: [VFB] Fly rod guides

 


Hi Neville;

 

If it's that noisy, I imagine it stays home.  

 

Just curious, how many guides does it have, how big are they and how long is
the rod?

 

Wayneb

 

 

 

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RE: [VFB] placing guides

[Neville Gosling]

Hi Rene:

 

Here's what I do. 

 

* Go to the blank maker's website and download their recommended
spacing for your particular rod.

http://www.fishpacbay.com/product-info/guide-spacing.html

 

* Using narrow masking tape, affix the guides per the recommended
spacings;

 

* Put a line (and reel if you have a handle installed) on the rod
and with mild tension on the line check the line spacing and adjust a small
amount as required. 

 

I use typewriter "white out" liquid to mark the guide spacings. These can be
easily removed.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Of Rene Zillmann
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:24 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] placing guides

 

Hi Gang,

as you might know, I'm building / assembling my next rod.

5 wt, 9 feet, pacbay blank. single food guides in black

 

Now I'm determining the position of the guides. On my last rod I used

some tables I got from the web.

But for this rod I want to do it more precise. Base rule is that the

angle between blank and line should be equal on the left and right side

of the guide (When the blank is bend, for sure).

Therefore I assume that the position of the guides not only depends on

length and weight of the  rod, but also of the action. Has anybody a

link, where I can find information about this dependency, maybe a table

which shows length, weight and action of the rod?

Right now I have the idea to bend the blank using some lead, measure the

curve of the rod, do a drawing and than search the positions of the

guides on the paper using the rule mentioned above.

What are you doing to determine the position of the guides?

 

Rene

 

 

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RE: [VFB] placing guides

[Neville Gosling]

Tony:

 

No, I have not used dental elastics. I don't know if my dentist would give
me some. My next appointment is not until April. I do have some 1/8 inch
wide masking tape which has become too old and I don't know where to obtain
a fresh supply. I got mine from a rod building supply that is no longer in
business. It was perfect for the purpose.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:40 PM
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Subject: RE: [VFB] placing guides

 


Nev,
Have you ever used Dental Elastics to hold the guides in place. I also cut 
"0" rings from surgical tube. Makes it easy to move the guides.
Tony

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From: Neville Gosling 
Subject: RE: [VFB] placing guides
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 4:41 PM

Hi Rene:

 

Here's what I do. 

 

* Go to the blank maker's website and download their recommended
spacing for your particular rod.

http://www.fishpacbay.com/product-info/guide-spacing.html

 

* Using narrow masking tape, affix the guides per the recommended
spacings;

 

* Put a line (and reel if you have a handle installed) on the rod
and with mild tension on the line check the line spacing and adjust a small
amount as required. 

 

I use typewriter "white out" liquid to mark the guide spacings. These can be
easily removed.

 

Neville ( Nev ) Gosling

 

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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com ] On
Behalf Of Rene Zillmann
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:24 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] placing guides

 

Hi Gang,

as you might know, I'm building / assembling my next rod.

5 wt, 9 feet, pacbay blank. single food guides in black

 

Now I'm determining the position of the guides. On my last rod I used

some tables I got from the web.

But for this rod I want to do it more precise. Base rule is that the

angle between blank and line should be equal on the left and right side

of the guide (When the blank is bend, for sure).

Therefore I assume that the position of the guides not only depends on

length and weight of the  rod, but also of the action. Has anybody a

link, where I can find information about this dependency, maybe a table

which shows length, weight and action of the rod?

Right now I have the idea to bend the blank using some lead, measure the

curve of the rod, do a drawing and than search the positions of the

guides on the paper using the rule mentioned above.

What are you doing to determine the position of the guides?

 

Rene

 

 

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RE: [VFB] placing guides

[Neville Gosling]

Wayne et al:

 

See my comments below:

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 7:00 AM
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Subject: RE: [VFB] placing guides

 


Hi All;

 I took a look and it appears that these would work except where the
diameter of the rod is ¼” or less. 

found small rubber bands on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Small-Rubber-Bands-Hair-Ponytail-Braids-1-4-/2003791
43182?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
 &hash=item2ea787140e

I still use the narrow masking tape, most likely do to the fact that one
roll will last a long time.  I bought mine at an art/drafting supply store.


 This stuff is made out of crepe paper with something added to provide a
straight edge. It may work but I wonder about the strength and stickiness
when

 compared with regular masking tape.  I have no experience of using it. I
still have lots left on my roll of 1/8th masking tape, but since it is 20+
years old, it has lost its   stickiness and breaks easily when removing from
the spool. 

Again, easily found on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-16-PINSTRIPING-FINE-LINE-TAPE-55-yds-KUSTOM
-PAINT-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem483a1f56c8QQitemZ310212777672QQptZAutomot
iveQ5fServices

 

Wayneb

 

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RE: [VFB] placing guides

[Neville Gosling]

Reuven:

 

Thank you for your kind offer. I assume that the mini rubber bands that you
are referring to are similar to those shown here: -

 

 
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Small-Rubber-Bands-Hair-Ponytail-Braids-1-4-/2003791
43182?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
 &hash=item2ea787140e

 

If so, I can obtain from eBay without putting you to the trouble.

 

Neville (Nev) Gosling

 

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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] placing guides

 

you could also get the cheap equivalent which  are mini rubber bands girls
use for tying back hair. They are all colours and you get a couple hundred
for a dollar. I will send you a couple packs if you want to give them a go.

Regards,

R



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RE: [VFB] placing guides

[Neville Gosling]

Ok Garry. Thanks for the suggestion

Neville (Nev) Gosling

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From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 5:37 AM
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Subject: RE: [VFB] placing guides

Neville,

  If you really like the 1/8" masking tape, check the autobody supply
sources.
Or a local repair/custom paint shop.
My father worked  in autobody repair most of his life.  He had masking tape
in a lot of sizes.

Gary

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[VFB] Re: Miniature fly rod and reel

[Neville Gosling]

The reels on the J.Austin Forbes website including the miniatures were made
by J.W.Young of England before the company was taken over by Cortland in
about 2000-2001. I have a small collection of them from 2" upwards to 4".
The 3" bronze Arial is beautiful to look at and even more beautiful to fish
with. 

Neville (Nev) Gosling


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: Miniature fly rod and reel

One of these days I am going to make a miniature bamboo rod like that
one just for the novelty of it. I doubt there is much of a market for
it. I wish I could buy those reels separately, but it doesn't appear
that way.


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