Re: [videoblogging] Re: Introduction: newbie -- being intimate
I always wanted to see podcasters record stories with people. Shorter snippets. Maybe audio diaries. Maybe just a bunch of natural sounds? Give me a good 10 minutes of something I cant hear on the radio. Fuck the radio format. There was a little bit of this, but the podcasting swell didnt seem to go in that direction. And don't forget the fragmented nature of many people's time. I simply don't have the time to dedicate to even a half-hour podcast show, let alone a feed-catcher full of long-format stuff, but grabbing a minute or two of videoblog here and there is much more easily achievable. Back in 2004 or so I subscribed to a whole bunch of interesting short-format audio stuff: people reading short stories; sound effects; jokes; quizzes; soundscapes; short language lessons and so on. Most of them have long since faded away, but some of that sort still exist. My daughter is enjoying Coffee Break Spanish http://coffeebreakspanish.libsyn.com/, and I notice that PodQuiz http://www.podquiz.com/ is still going strong. Anyone else got any recommendations?
[videoblogging] Re: Introduction: newbie -- being intimate
I think the problem ultimately with me doing long videos, long podcasts, is that I lose the point of what I'm talking about. It's already discouraging from non-internet users when you explain to them what you are doing, be it podcasting or blogging. They think your just some loser who wants the world to know they exist when they simply don't in the real world. That has caused me to close my blogs amoung other things because what is right with the world is supposed to be what's write for me. The problem is that I live a life indoors. Part of that has to do with what I do in real life and part of it is that I'm not a social creature. I turn to blogging because I can express without the need to look a certain way, think a certain way, or have an expectation. The thing about blogging, podcasting and all that is that now that people have gotten some fame out of these platforms everyone is expected to do that or better. Anything less gets no attention. I say funk all that. I represent the real -- the economy as is. I don't have the money for fancy presentations, well edited blogs or podcasts, or anything else of the high-end nature. I'm a simple man with no money who does everything on the barebones. Wow -- I better stop there. Hope I made sense.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Introduction: newbie -- being intimate
editing well doesnt take money, just skill telling a good story doesnt take money, just a good story :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:57 AM, bmilam52 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem ultimately with me doing long videos, long podcasts, is that I lose the point of what I'm talking about. It's already discouraging from non-internet users when you explain to them what you are doing, be it podcasting or blogging. They think your just some loser who wants the world to know they exist when they simply don't in the real world. That has caused me to close my blogs amoung other things because what is right with the world is supposed to be what's write for me. The problem is that I live a life indoors. Part of that has to do with what I do in real life and part of it is that I'm not a social creature. I turn to blogging because I can express without the need to look a certain way, think a certain way, or have an expectation. The thing about blogging, podcasting and all that is that now that people have gotten some fame out of these platforms everyone is expected to do that or better. Anything less gets no attention. I say funk all that. I represent the real -- the economy as is. I don't have the money for fancy presentations, well edited blogs or podcasts, or anything else of the high-end nature. I'm a simple man with no money who does everything on the barebones. Wow -- I better stop there. Hope I made sense. -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] new post: A night at the hibachi
http://www.quintanomedia.com/?p=406 Using my sanyo xacti E1 in low light situation
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging@yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
Nothing I ever hear about TV executives' approach to the internet ever gives me any hope. Apparently, none of them ever use the internet. And if they do, they're so busy being threatened that they adopt a confused and contemptuous attitude before they've even clicked on the first video. I read two great posts by Steve Bowbrick yesterday about trying to change this mindset at the BBC. He's blogger in residence for six months at the BBC. Which is a great idea - someone from outside to blog about life inside. First, his thoughts about how and why they need to move on from the broadcast mindset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/ moving_on_from_the_broadcast_e.html But more importantly for you to read out there in hell, Jeffrey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bowbrick/2958508580/ A whiteboard image of the obstacles to sharing with typical reactions in quotes just like those you just repeated from Silverman. The obstacles are grouped under Rights; Culture; Expectations; Competitive Instincts; Regulation. The quotes associated with the obstacles are: Rights: Impossible to untangle Expectations: It'll just be a bunch of pornographers Culture: We don't do that sort of thing Competitive Instincts: We compete in primetime - why should we cooperate here Regulation: They'll never let us do that Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging@yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Shorter snippets. -- Re: Introduction: newbie -- being intimate
AS JAY pointed out:I always wanted to see podcasters record stories with people. Shorter snippets. Maybe audio diaries. Maybe just a bunch of natural sounds? Give me a good 10 minutes of something I cant hear on the radio. In my very newbie status I have been overwhelmed -- I think that's the right verb -- by the language of the short video on the web. The Lumiere archive for instance http://videoblogging.info/lumiere/ is vibrantly beautiful, as well as engaging and addictive..all within the space of 60 seconds of recorded time. It has caused me to rethink so many of my assumptions, and , I guess schemata. I've been much interested in Marshall McLuhan's ideas on media http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal_mcluhan but when I watch videoblogging (as it is practiced in a conscious sort of way) a lot of these concepts about cold/hot media valuations go out the (Microsoft) window. While there is such a thing as New Media -- there is, I think, NewEST media within that too because it seems to me that so much of what people do on the web is formatted by Old Media templates. Being novel isn't really that useful -- but if you can deploy a new language to say, in some significant degree, something new...well, then the world's your oyster. Going back to where we stared on this thread I have to agree -- that (audio) podcasting is about replicating radio in another sharing format. I think that's fantastic and I thing that's something to support and relate to. But it is/was, nonetheless, about re-inventing the wheel. I've got no special audio skills (and no video ones whatsoever)but I do appreciate differently a lot of audio I hear occasionally on the web for the special moments it offers you. I think This American Life http://www.thisamericanlife.org/ can capture many of such moments -- in the same way that an interview with the recently diseased Studs Terkel so often did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studs_terkel So podcasting enriches our radio experience especially for those who may not have been exposed to it before or who have fallen out of the habit of listening to it. There's so much more to it than talk back and Top 40. But videoblogging -- in the sense of what may be discussed here -- isn't about replicating Prime Time at all. When FM first came to Australia in 1975 you could listen to soundscapes on the national broadcaster -- like as Jay suggested. They were terribly arty and self conscious experiences in sound and they went for far too long -- but the FM band was supposed to do them justice in way of quality of sound. Of course that's now all been lost and is now thought simply to be the an avaunt garde indulgence -- even if it so much was! But I was reading Jays' book on videoblogging the other night and I watched Cut per the recommendation therein... http://e11.video.blip.tv/183406371/FastMovingAnimals-cut790.mov and I thought it was amazing. I called in my family folk in to watch it. So while I may now be getting on in years and can remember a life without television in every home -- I can still be impressed with the novel potential of videoblogging because, in a very tantalizing sort of way, a format limitation in regard to file size imposes a sort of creative possibility and a level of communication we haven't been offered before. dave riley
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing I ever hear about TV executives' approach to the internet ever gives me any hope. Apparently, none of them ever use the internet. And if they do, they're so busy being threatened that they adopt a confused and contemptuous attitude before they've even clicked on the first video. I read two great posts by Steve Bowbrick yesterday about trying to change this mindset at the BBC. He's blogger in residence for six months at the BBC. Which is a great idea - someone from outside to blog about life inside. First, his thoughts about how and why they need to move on from the broadcast mindset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/ moving_on_from_the_broadcast_e.html But more importantly for you to read out there in hell, Jeffrey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bowbrick/2958508580/ A whiteboard image of the obstacles to sharing with typical reactions in quotes just like those you just repeated from Silverman. The obstacles are grouped under Rights; Culture; Expectations; Competitive Instincts; Regulation. The quotes associated with the obstacles are: Rights: Impossible to untangle Expectations: It'll just be a bunch of pornographers Culture: We don't do that sort of thing Competitive Instincts: We compete in primetime - why should we cooperate here Regulation: They'll never let us do that Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comwrote: They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
They come from a different culture, and are almost certainly entirely surrounded by yes men and people who are similarly uninformed. The good thing about physical conferences is that you're sharing the same room. You've got nothing to lose by fighting to get to the front and telling them. On 13-Nov-08, at 6:49 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing I ever hear about TV executives' approach to the internet ever gives me any hope. Apparently, none of them ever use the internet. And if they do, they're so busy being threatened that they adopt a confused and contemptuous attitude before they've even clicked on the first video. I read two great posts by Steve Bowbrick yesterday about trying to change this mindset at the BBC. He's blogger in residence for six months at the BBC. Which is a great idea - someone from outside to blog about life inside. First, his thoughts about how and why they need to move on from the broadcast mindset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/ moving_on_from_the_broadcast_e.html But more importantly for you to read out there in hell, Jeffrey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bowbrick/2958508580/ A whiteboard image of the obstacles to sharing with typical reactions in quotes just like those you just repeated from Silverman. The obstacles are grouped under Rights; Culture; Expectations; Competitive Instincts; Regulation. The quotes associated with the obstacles are: Rights: Impossible to untangle Expectations: It'll just be a bunch of pornographers Culture: We don't do that sort of thing Competitive Instincts: We compete in primetime - why should we cooperate here Regulation: They'll never let us do that Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comwrote: They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
We tried. But Silverman was surrounded by staff the moment he walked off stage. Strong bubble. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] They come from a different culture, and are almost certainly entirely surrounded by yes men and people who are similarly uninformed. The good thing about physical conferences is that you're sharing the same room. You've got nothing to lose by fighting to get to the front and telling them. On 13-Nov-08, at 6:49 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] rupert%40fatgirlinohio.org Nothing I ever hear about TV executives' approach to the internet ever gives me any hope. Apparently, none of them ever use the internet. And if they do, they're so busy being threatened that they adopt a confused and contemptuous attitude before they've even clicked on the first video. I read two great posts by Steve Bowbrick yesterday about trying to change this mindset at the BBC. He's blogger in residence for six months at the BBC. Which is a great idea - someone from outside to blog about life inside. First, his thoughts about how and why they need to move on from the broadcast mindset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/ moving_on_from_the_broadcast_e.html But more importantly for you to read out there in hell, Jeffrey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bowbrick/2958508580/ A whiteboard image of the obstacles to sharing with typical reactions in quotes just like those you just repeated from Silverman. The obstacles are grouped under Rights; Culture; Expectations; Competitive Instincts; Regulation. The quotes associated with the obstacles are: Rights: Impossible to untangle Expectations: It'll just be a bunch of pornographers Culture: We don't do that sort of thing Competitive Instincts: We compete in primetime - why should we cooperate here Regulation: They'll never let us do that Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comwrote: They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.comjay.dedman% 40gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
As Bowbrick says, The broadcast era is coming to an end. The network era is well under way. Only openness can keep the BBC relevant through the transition. Their loss. On 13-Nov-08, at 7:06 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: We tried. But Silverman was surrounded by staff the moment he walked off stage. Strong bubble. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] They come from a different culture, and are almost certainly entirely surrounded by yes men and people who are similarly uninformed. The good thing about physical conferences is that you're sharing the same room. You've got nothing to lose by fighting to get to the front and telling them. On 13-Nov-08, at 6:49 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] rupert% 40fatgirlinohio.org Nothing I ever hear about TV executives' approach to the internet ever gives me any hope. Apparently, none of them ever use the internet. And if they do, they're so busy being threatened that they adopt a confused and contemptuous attitude before they've even clicked on the first video. I read two great posts by Steve Bowbrick yesterday about trying to change this mindset at the BBC. He's blogger in residence for six months at the BBC. Which is a great idea - someone from outside to blog about life inside. First, his thoughts about how and why they need to move on from the broadcast mindset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/ moving_on_from_the_broadcast_e.html But more importantly for you to read out there in hell, Jeffrey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bowbrick/2958508580/ A whiteboard image of the obstacles to sharing with typical reactions in quotes just like those you just repeated from Silverman. The obstacles are grouped under Rights; Culture; Expectations; Competitive Instincts; Regulation. The quotes associated with the obstacles are: Rights: Impossible to untangle Expectations: It'll just be a bunch of pornographers Culture: We don't do that sort of thing Competitive Instincts: We compete in primetime - why should we cooperate here Regulation: They'll never let us do that Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comwrote: They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman% 40gmail.comjay.dedman% 40gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
Sidenote on the Beeb: French Saunders had their last performance a few nights ago. Among the many reasons they cited for ending their partnership was increasing frustration with the BBC's lack of courage and freedom, going for safe populist comedy programming in answer to competition from satellite channels. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] As Bowbrick says, The broadcast era is coming to an end. The network era is well under way. Only openness can keep the BBC relevant through the transition. Their loss. On 13-Nov-08, at 7:06 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: We tried. But Silverman was surrounded by staff the moment he walked off stage. Strong bubble. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] rupert%40fatgirlinohio.org They come from a different culture, and are almost certainly entirely surrounded by yes men and people who are similarly uninformed. The good thing about physical conferences is that you're sharing the same room. You've got nothing to lose by fighting to get to the front and telling them. On 13-Nov-08, at 6:49 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote: It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] rupert%40fatgirlinohio.orgrupert% 40fatgirlinohio.org Nothing I ever hear about TV executives' approach to the internet ever gives me any hope. Apparently, none of them ever use the internet. And if they do, they're so busy being threatened that they adopt a confused and contemptuous attitude before they've even clicked on the first video. I read two great posts by Steve Bowbrick yesterday about trying to change this mindset at the BBC. He's blogger in residence for six months at the BBC. Which is a great idea - someone from outside to blog about life inside. First, his thoughts about how and why they need to move on from the broadcast mindset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/ moving_on_from_the_broadcast_e.html But more importantly for you to read out there in hell, Jeffrey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bowbrick/2958508580/ A whiteboard image of the obstacles to sharing with typical reactions in quotes just like those you just repeated from Silverman. The obstacles are grouped under Rights; Culture; Expectations; Competitive Instincts; Regulation. The quotes associated with the obstacles are: Rights: Impossible to untangle Expectations: It'll just be a bunch of pornographers Culture: We don't do that sort of thing Competitive Instincts: We compete in primetime - why should we cooperate here Regulation: They'll never let us do that Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comwrote: They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.comjay.dedman% 40gmail.comjay.dedman% 40gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.comthejeffreytaylor%
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
true that may be. but youtube stands alone. the same can be said of TV, and like it or not, youtube has become TV of the Internet in the context of audience. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No no no no no. No. Nobody makes money on this shit except google. Vloggers will make peanuts, and traditional clients aren't up to spending money on such a risky spend. This is the devaluation of content that I fear may be the ass end of the democratization of media. I guess freedom ain't free. Serial and artistic content does NOT belong on YouTube. They have put the creator last from the beginning. 2008/11/13 liza jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] daredoll%40gmail.com we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
Maybe it's because I only watch or subsribe to a certain number of people, but I always get the feeling that for every Epic Fu or Ask a Ninja, there are a thousand shows like minewhich isn't a show at all, just a personal vlog...so for them to not be aware or to state that only we can do Hero'smaybe he is sorta rightagain maybe it's because I don't watch a lot of internet shows so I am missing out...but when I search YT, or Yahoo video, etcall I see are just a bunch of viral videos I don't know, I am sure there is talent out there but it still seems a bit fragmented at times. I don't know, I agree that it is frustratingI am just not smart enough to figure out how to change it. Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. 2008/11/13 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing I ever hear about TV executives' approach to the internet ever gives me any hope. Apparently, none of them ever use the internet. And if they do, they're so busy being threatened that they adopt a confused and contemptuous attitude before they've even clicked on the first video. I read two great posts by Steve Bowbrick yesterday about trying to change this mindset at the BBC. He's blogger in residence for six months at the BBC. Which is a great idea - someone from outside to blog about life inside. First, his thoughts about how and why they need to move on from the broadcast mindset. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/11/ moving_on_from_the_broadcast_e.html But more importantly for you to read out there in hell, Jeffrey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bowbrick/2958508580/ A whiteboard image of the obstacles to sharing with typical reactions in quotes just like those you just repeated from Silverman. The obstacles are grouped under Rights; Culture; Expectations; Competitive Instincts; Regulation. The quotes associated with the obstacles are: Rights: Impossible to untangle Expectations: It'll just be a bunch of pornographers Culture: We don't do that sort of thing Competitive Instincts: We compete in primetime - why should we cooperate here Regulation: They'll never let us do that Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 5:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.comwrote: They're totally ignoring all the great content that's out there by independent producers. Direct quote from Silverman: we don't want cat pissing in toilet videos associated with our brand. and only we can do something like heroes. -Original Message- From: Jay Dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:52:58 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Can you be more specific about their approach or lack of understanding? Jay On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com wrote: I'm currently at the Monaco Media Forum, watching Michael Wolff interview Ben Silverman of NBC/Universal and the Director-General of the BBC. These guys don't get it. At all. It's all top down. They have know idea what's out there, and they really can't be arsed to look. I am so pissed off right now. Discuss. -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor% 40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
Why do they NEED TO GET IT? Why do we feel like we NEED THEM TO GET IT? Co-Existing not feasible? Is this about getting picked up by the old suits or is this about Independents being able to leverage technology to publish their works and fins a market? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
I feel it's important for two reasons - wasted opportunities and wasted time: 1) it's just a terrible wasted opportunity for a company like the BBC to not Get It. they could do so much good. even for a big US network - they have the resources to create fantastic content, networks and opportunities if they Got It. 2) all the time they're banging on down the other path, they're driving the creation of closed interfaces and hardware - solutions which will impede the progress of independents in reaching a wider audience. eventually this will break down, but it might take many years - all wasted time. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 11:28 AM, @sull wrote: Why do they NEED TO GET IT? Why do we feel like we NEED THEM TO GET IT? Co-Existing not feasible? Is this about getting picked up by the old suits or is this about Independents being able to leverage technology to publish their works and fins a market? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
I'd venture to say that NBC could start a digital studio AND cut a deal with the well-established net shows, if they wanted to. And maybe they do. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
Because people who deserve to be paid well for their excellent work are not getting their due. That is all. -Original Message- From: @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:28:02 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type Why do they NEED TO GET IT? Why do we feel like we NEED THEM TO GET IT? Co-Existing not feasible? Is this about getting picked up by the old suits or is this about Independents being able to leverage technology to publish their works and fins a market? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
I agree with your two reasons, Ru. Essentially all the time wasted trying to close things off from indie creators is also the big guys getting in their own way. It so bugs me that the BBC can do a wonderful project like Capture Wales, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/audiovideo/sites/galleries/pages/capturewales.shtml) - where they went out an helped ordinary people to produce absolutely incredible (beautiful, fascinating, personal, wonderful) digital stories in one 8 hour work session, and then completely ignore the wider potential of that project. Not to mention they completely stuffed up how they present the project online - only Windows Media or Real Player formats, no feeds, no real podcast-able format offered. True, back in 2001, we didn't really have podcasting, but the project ran into Feb. 2008, with no effort I could discern by the BBC to take advantage of the emerging distribution models that would have been so perfect for this project, not to mention of enormous benefit to the public to have their own archive preserved in such an accessible way. I was lucky to meet one of the producers of Capture Wales at a Digital Storytelling conference in Sedona, AZ, where they provided me with a few QuickTime copies of some of the stories and permission to use them as in-class examples for my students, and also permission to reproduce the shoebox story process they came up with when the BBC cut their workshop time down from one week to one day. Ok, I've rambled off the original topic with my example. But damn. The Capture Wales UGC is so much better than the UGC these big guys react against and dismiss. They know this gold is out there and they don't care/produce drivel instead. That's why we need to be able to self-publish find our own way plus our own audience. I don't want to see that taken away. Cheryl --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel it's important for two reasons - wasted opportunities and wasted time: 1) it's just a terrible wasted opportunity for a company like the BBC to not Get It. they could do so much good. even for a big US network - they have the resources to create fantastic content, networks and opportunities if they Got It. 2) all the time they're banging on down the other path, they're driving the creation of closed interfaces and hardware - solutions which will impede the progress of independents in reaching a wider audience. eventually this will break down, but it might take many years - all wasted time. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 11:28 AM, @sull wrote: Why do they NEED TO GET IT? Why do we feel like we NEED THEM TO GET IT? Co-Existing not feasible? Is this about getting picked up by the old suits or is this about Independents being able to leverage technology to publish their works and fins a market? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
well, there was nothing on after top chef last night (which i watched on dvr, so i didnt watch any of the commercials) so i watched 11 4-minute episodes http://captainblasto.com -- i am constantly running out of time to watch the cute, new shows online -- heath there are so many! not all of them are perfect or good, but i watch them to see whats up the MSM reminds me marie antoinette -- the whole, let them eat cake thing. it would be NICE if they got it, but if they dont get it, then we are going to keep doing our thing independent of them. there's room for all of us. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with your two reasons, Ru. Essentially all the time wasted trying to close things off from indie creators is also the big guys getting in their own way. It so bugs me that the BBC can do a wonderful project like Capture Wales, ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/audiovideo/sites/galleries/pages/capturewales.shtml ) - where they went out an helped ordinary people to produce absolutely incredible (beautiful, fascinating, personal, wonderful) digital stories in one 8 hour work session, and then completely ignore the wider potential of that project. Not to mention they completely stuffed up how they present the project online - only Windows Media or Real Player formats, no feeds, no real podcast-able format offered. True, back in 2001, we didn't really have podcasting, but the project ran into Feb. 2008, with no effort I could discern by the BBC to take advantage of the emerging distribution models that would have been so perfect for this project, not to mention of enormous benefit to the public to have their own archive preserved in such an accessible way. I was lucky to meet one of the producers of Capture Wales at a Digital Storytelling conference in Sedona, AZ, where they provided me with a few QuickTime copies of some of the stories and permission to use them as in-class examples for my students, and also permission to reproduce the shoebox story process they came up with when the BBC cut their workshop time down from one week to one day. Ok, I've rambled off the original topic with my example. But damn. The Capture Wales UGC is so much better than the UGC these big guys react against and dismiss. They know this gold is out there and they don't care/produce drivel instead. That's why we need to be able to self-publish find our own way plus our own audience. I don't want to see that taken away. Cheryl --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel it's important for two reasons - wasted opportunities and wasted time: 1) it's just a terrible wasted opportunity for a company like the BBC to not Get It. they could do so much good. even for a big US network - they have the resources to create fantastic content, networks and opportunities if they Got It. 2) all the time they're banging on down the other path, they're driving the creation of closed interfaces and hardware - solutions which will impede the progress of independents in reaching a wider audience. eventually this will break down, but it might take many years - all wasted time. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 11:28 AM, @sull wrote: Why do they NEED TO GET IT? Why do we feel like we NEED THEM TO GET IT? Co-Existing not feasible? Is this about getting picked up by the old suits or is this about Independents being able to leverage technology to publish their works and fins a market? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
well said. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any more of a problem with this than I do the Sponsored Ads on Google. Like Brook, I filter them out, but a lot of people don't - so Google make billions of dollars of profit from them and from Adsense ads on other sites. As I noted here before, Google's revenue and profit were up a third and a quarter respectively in Q3 2008 largely off the back of these things. You're wrong if you think YouTube popular and featured videos aren't already gamed and bought. It's a stinking den of corruption in there. You should see the kind of bullshit tricks that 'viral' production and advertising companies pull to get their videos featured. This is just making an honest and open auction of it. If I had a client or a video that I think should get top billing for a niche subject, instead of trying to orchestrate some kind of incredibly spammy and unethical view-ramping campaign (and risk getting caught and deleted), I could just buy a sponsored slot. On a site where something like 10 hours of video are being uploaded every minute, that's about as organic and fair a way of buying attention as I can imagine. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
No, they don't. Silverman explicitly stated he wouldn't. I hope he saw me *facepalm*, because it was the only communication I could get in. 2008/11/13 @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd venture to say that NBC could start a digital studio AND cut a deal with the well-established net shows, if they wanted to. And maybe they do. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.comwrote: It's just infuriating. Just plain infuriating. Both these top executives have massive, multi-purpose staff and they''re STILL in a bubble. NBC is starting a digital studio instead of cutting a deal with the well-established Epic-Fu franchise. It just steams me up. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
of interest... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/13/online-video-wheres-the-money/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
Thanks for posting, but it and the comments that followed were just annoying. Totally misses the point. One day soon someone will come up with a video interface that truly brings internet TV to the couch for more than just geeks, which shows more than just badly encoded 5 minute YouTube funnies and stolen archive clips. Then some money will come. And not the kind of money that they extort for TV. On top of that, the video content will be densely interwoven with a mass of other videos and media and text pages and social networks. All of which provide their own monetisation opportunities. Adverts will be related to the content in some way. It won't just be advertisers having a single one-way chance to interrupt your favourite shows for five minutes every quarter of an hour to fire shouty messages at you that are totally unrelated to what you're watching, hoping that some of their shit sticks next time you're out shopping. Thank god. I don't even really care about this that passionately - I don't intend to make my living from internet TV or a web 2.0 startup. But all this seems so obvious to me that I'm just amazed when other people rail against it as if online video is just some kind of passing fad. Whatever. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 10:01 PM, @sull wrote: of interest... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/13/online-video-wheres-the-money/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
wow, just noticed this new post on rrw. synchronicity. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/netflix_ceo_thinks_the_time_is.php On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:34 AM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm watching netflix on TV with http://www.roku.com And soon you can use your TiVo to access the netflix VOD catalog. Personally, i'd like to see netflix become more involved with distributing independent net video. I always admired Red Envelope, which was shut down recently ( http://www.indiewire.com/biz/2008/07/netflix_exits_a.html). But since they want to focus on digital media distribution technology, then tapping into the content found on the web seems obvious and the time is ripe. It could bolster their catalog in a positive way by simply having current content. So more than NBC, CBS, BBC etc... I want to see netflix dig in. besides, their name jives :) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:01 AM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of interest... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/13/online-video-wheres-the-money/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
I agree, Rupert. I had written an additional 2 paragraphs about TV as it is and tonights experience trying to sit down with no interruptions, no puter... just sit down and watch some show i never heard of (Life on Mars - weird!). And it was intolerable with all the commercial breaks. I felt like i was getting way off-topic with a rant. and there ya go talking some on that point. Now i'm reading this rrw netflix article after i was mentioning netflix. even used the word ripe! maybe it was me who invented YouTube! ;) @sull On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting, but it and the comments that followed were just annoying. Totally misses the point. One day soon someone will come up with a video interface that truly brings internet TV to the couch for more than just geeks, which shows more than just badly encoded 5 minute YouTube funnies and stolen archive clips. Then some money will come. And not the kind of money that they extort for TV. On top of that, the video content will be densely interwoven with a mass of other videos and media and text pages and social networks. All of which provide their own monetisation opportunities. Adverts will be related to the content in some way. It won't just be advertisers having a single one-way chance to interrupt your favourite shows for five minutes every quarter of an hour to fire shouty messages at you that are totally unrelated to what you're watching, hoping that some of their shit sticks next time you're out shopping. Thank god. I don't even really care about this that passionately - I don't intend to make my living from internet TV or a web 2.0 startup. But all this seems so obvious to me that I'm just amazed when other people rail against it as if online video is just some kind of passing fad. Whatever. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 10:01 PM, @sull wrote: of interest... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/13/online-video-wheres-the-money/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
I'm watching netflix on TV with http://www.roku.com And soon you can use your TiVo to access the netflix VOD catalog. Personally, i'd like to see netflix become more involved with distributing independent net video. I always admired Red Envelope, which was shut down recently ( http://www.indiewire.com/biz/2008/07/netflix_exits_a.html). But since they want to focus on digital media distribution technology, then tapping into the content found on the web seems obvious and the time is ripe. It could bolster their catalog in a positive way by simply having current content. So more than NBC, CBS, BBC etc... I want to see netflix dig in. besides, their name jives :) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:01 AM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of interest... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/13/online-video-wheres-the-money/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
I totally totally totally agree with this. As much as I totally totally totally disagree with the loser on Techcrunch. This is what I've been banging on about for the last year and a half to anybody who would listen. Couch/internet convergence and a pointer remote. Bring it on. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 10:49 PM, @sull wrote: wow, just noticed this new post on rrw. synchronicity. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/netflix_ceo_thinks_the_time_is.php On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:34 AM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm watching netflix on TV with http://www.roku.com And soon you can use your TiVo to access the netflix VOD catalog. Personally, i'd like to see netflix become more involved with distributing independent net video. I always admired Red Envelope, which was shut down recently ( http://www.indiewire.com/biz/2008/07/netflix_exits_a.html). But since they want to focus on digital media distribution technology, then tapping into the content found on the web seems obvious and the time is ripe. It could bolster their catalog in a positive way by simply having current content. So more than NBC, CBS, BBC etc... I want to see netflix dig in. besides, their name jives :) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:01 AM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of interest... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/13/online-video-wheres-the-money/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Traditional Media Scares the Shi* out of me As I Type
We are clearly geniuses. Somebody should be paying us massive amounts of money for our ideas. ;) On 13-Nov-08, at 10:57 PM, @sull wrote: I agree, Rupert. I had written an additional 2 paragraphs about TV as it is and tonights experience trying to sit down with no interruptions, no puter... just sit down and watch some show i never heard of (Life on Mars - weird!). And it was intolerable with all the commercial breaks. I felt like i was getting way off-topic with a rant. and there ya go talking some on that point. Now i'm reading this rrw netflix article after i was mentioning netflix. even used the word ripe! maybe it was me who invented YouTube! ;) @sull On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting, but it and the comments that followed were just annoying. Totally misses the point. One day soon someone will come up with a video interface that truly brings internet TV to the couch for more than just geeks, which shows more than just badly encoded 5 minute YouTube funnies and stolen archive clips. Then some money will come. And not the kind of money that they extort for TV. On top of that, the video content will be densely interwoven with a mass of other videos and media and text pages and social networks. All of which provide their own monetisation opportunities. Adverts will be related to the content in some way. It won't just be advertisers having a single one-way chance to interrupt your favourite shows for five minutes every quarter of an hour to fire shouty messages at you that are totally unrelated to what you're watching, hoping that some of their shit sticks next time you're out shopping. Thank god. I don't even really care about this that passionately - I don't intend to make my living from internet TV or a web 2.0 startup. But all this seems so obvious to me that I'm just amazed when other people rail against it as if online video is just some kind of passing fad. Whatever. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 13-Nov-08, at 10:01 PM, @sull wrote: of interest... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/13/online-video-wheres-the-money/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
