Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
i tryed to pay mike from blip to put my show in the blip player on the front page, and like he said madd mann you'll never be on the front page i could of been a trend setter On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:30 PM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well said. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]rupert%40fatgirlinohio.org wrote: I don't have any more of a problem with this than I do the Sponsored Ads on Google. Like Brook, I filter them out, but a lot of people don't - so Google make billions of dollars of profit from them and from Adsense ads on other sites. As I noted here before, Google's revenue and profit were up a third and a quarter respectively in Q3 2008 largely off the back of these things. You're wrong if you think YouTube popular and featured videos aren't already gamed and bought. It's a stinking den of corruption in there. You should see the kind of bullshit tricks that 'viral' production and advertising companies pull to get their videos featured. This is just making an honest and open auction of it. If I had a client or a video that I think should get top billing for a niche subject, instead of trying to orchestrate some kind of incredibly spammy and unethical view-ramping campaign (and risk getting caught and deleted), I could just buy a sponsored slot. On a site where something like 10 hours of video are being uploaded every minute, that's about as organic and fair a way of buying attention as I can imagine. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
well said. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any more of a problem with this than I do the Sponsored Ads on Google. Like Brook, I filter them out, but a lot of people don't - so Google make billions of dollars of profit from them and from Adsense ads on other sites. As I noted here before, Google's revenue and profit were up a third and a quarter respectively in Q3 2008 largely off the back of these things. You're wrong if you think YouTube popular and featured videos aren't already gamed and bought. It's a stinking den of corruption in there. You should see the kind of bullshit tricks that 'viral' production and advertising companies pull to get their videos featured. This is just making an honest and open auction of it. If I had a client or a video that I think should get top billing for a niche subject, instead of trying to orchestrate some kind of incredibly spammy and unethical view-ramping campaign (and risk getting caught and deleted), I could just buy a sponsored slot. On a site where something like 10 hours of video are being uploaded every minute, that's about as organic and fair a way of buying attention as I can imagine. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
Ok, I promise to stop emailing the list for the rest of the day. I know I've been kinda talky today. BUT! I thought you may want to read about how you can pay for placement on the Youtubes. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/youtube_puts_placement_of_user.php Personally, this makes my stomach queasy, but you may be into paying for placement. Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
this is gross On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:07 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ok, I promise to stop emailing the list for the rest of the day. I know I've been kinda talky today. BUT! I thought you may want to read about how you can pay for placement on the Youtubes. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/youtube_puts_placement_of_user.php Personally, this makes my stomach queasy, but you may be into paying for placement. Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
interesting. imagine this together with crowdfunding efforts. you can tap your network/community to raise money to get your video noticed. maybe it's an important video message, or for promoting independent artists or for local political campaigns etc etc. i see nothing wrong with this. it is, afterall, almost 2009. we should be ready to accept such net video concepts. @sull On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ok, I promise to stop emailing the list for the rest of the day. I know I've been kinda talky today. BUT! I thought you may want to read about how you can pay for placement on the Youtubes. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/youtube_puts_placement_of_user.php Personally, this makes my stomach queasy, but you may be into paying for placement. Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
My eyes automatically block out google's sponsored links in searches, in the same way they do ads, and I suspect any sponsored you tube video will also be brain-filtered. It seems like a natural response and I would think most people end up doing this - so I'm not sure spending any effort on winning a sponsored video auction will prove worthwhile unless its an overtly selling-something (like a pasta maker/espresso machine hybrid or something) video. But maybe it's just me. I know if I search for something in google, a few minutes later I can tell you the first few hits that came up, but I can't tell you any of the stuff that was in that sponsored section. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes automatically block out google's sponsored links in searches, in the same way they do ads, and I suspect any sponsored you tube video will also be brain-filtered. It seems like a natural response and I would think most people end up doing this - so I'm not sure spending any effort on winning a sponsored video auction will prove worthwhile unless its an overtly selling-something (like a pasta maker/espresso machine hybrid or something) video. But maybe it's just me. I know if I search for something in google, a few minutes later I can tell you the first few hits that came up, but I can't tell you any of the stuff that was in that sponsored section. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Bid for Placement on YouTube
I don't have any more of a problem with this than I do the Sponsored Ads on Google. Like Brook, I filter them out, but a lot of people don't - so Google make billions of dollars of profit from them and from Adsense ads on other sites. As I noted here before, Google's revenue and profit were up a third and a quarter respectively in Q3 2008 largely off the back of these things. You're wrong if you think YouTube popular and featured videos aren't already gamed and bought. It's a stinking den of corruption in there. You should see the kind of bullshit tricks that 'viral' production and advertising companies pull to get their videos featured. This is just making an honest and open auction of it. If I had a client or a video that I think should get top billing for a niche subject, instead of trying to orchestrate some kind of incredibly spammy and unethical view-ramping campaign (and risk getting caught and deleted), I could just buy a sponsored slot. On a site where something like 10 hours of video are being uploaded every minute, that's about as organic and fair a way of buying attention as I can imagine. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 12-Nov-08, at 3:38 PM, sull wrote: interesting. imagine this together with crowdfunding efforts. you can tap your network/community to raise money to get your video noticed. maybe it's an important video message, or for promoting independent artists or for local political campaigns etc etc. i see nothing wrong with this. it is, afterall, almost 2009. we should be ready to accept such net video concepts. @sull On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ok, I promise to stop emailing the list for the rest of the day. I know I've been kinda talky today. BUT! I thought you may want to read about how you can pay for placement on the Youtubes. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/ youtube_puts_placement_of_user.php Personally, this makes my stomach queasy, but you may be into paying for placement. Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
