Re: [Videolib] Off air record question

[Mandel, Debra]

Hi-

You cannot off-air record and retain indefinitely.  Contact the talk show and 
purchase it if they are selling it.  That way it can be added to the collection 
legitimately or retained in archives. Perhaps they would even sell you a 
digital copy.  Hopefully they will sell it cheaply. Or tell them  how much you 
love their show and they may even give you just the clip you want.

Debra Mandel
Head,
Digital Media Deign Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
Boston, MA 02115

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
On Behalf Of Stanton, Kim [kim.stan...@unt.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 5:03 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Off air record question

Hi all,

I’ve had a request from an administrator to record a short portion of a two 
hour national morning talk show. Our university participated in a study that is 
going to be reported on during a 10 minute segment of the show. The 
administrator doesn’t have a specific use in mind for it, she just thinks it 
would be beneficial to have as a record.

So, does this fall under Kastenmeier? I always had the impression this 
guideline covered more in class teaching related uses, plus the 10day/45 day 
rules don’t help me out much here.  Is there a legally acceptable way for the 
library to record a segment of this program and keep it indefinitely? Possibly 
even restricted to in-house use?

Thanks,
Kim


Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396


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Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[ghandman]

Yeah...this is true, but we're really talking mostly here about cases in
which a legit vendor is selling via amazon marketplace:  i.e., cases in
which fulfillment is by the distributor rather than amazon.  Those are the
cases in which the tiered pricing stuff usually occurs.

Gary



> Jessica makes an important point.  Since the provenance of the copy (even
> if it's new and sealed) is unknown when you sell from a Marketplace seller
> on Amazon (did they get it from the distributor or from the back of a
> truck that crashed in their neighborhood?) you can't be sure it's a
> "legally acquired" copy and that therefore first-sale or other agreement
> applies.
>
> We are very restrictive of use when we are forced to acquire an
> out-of-print title from a MP seller for an instructor and presume no
> agreement has been passed on.
>
> - -
> Roger Brown
> Manager
> UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
> 46 Powell Library
> Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
> office: 310-206-1248
> fax: 310-206-5392
> rbr...@oid.ucla.edu
>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Message: 4
>>Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:03:04 -0400
>>From: Jessica Rosner 
>>Subject: Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of
>>institutionally licensed video
>>To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>Message-ID: 
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>>OK I am totally confused. Did the original seller/owner sell home use
>>copies
>>and was this one supposedly "used". The question would be
>>if the seller had literally signed off ( as in the proverbial I agree to
>>these terms) when they bought it, in that case the original company could
>>take action against them and have some reasonable claim that it was not a
>>legal copy, though few places do that.
>>
>>The mystery is where did the copy come from and under what terms.
>>
>>On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Susan Albrecht 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I was clear in my use of the word aftermarket. It's NOT
>>>the
>>> original film distributor selling copies through amazon, and it's not
>>>Amazon
>>> selling. It's 'used' dealers selling through amazon. I didn't check in
>>>this
>>> specific case, but just like with 'used' dealers of books selling
>>>through
>>> amazon's aftermarket site, sometimes the copies are listed as brand
>>> new,
>>> factory sealed. So that's my question. Or are you saying that if anyone
>>>is
>>> selling a DVD through amazon as an aftermarket dealer, they must have
>>>gotten
>>> the original distributor's permission?
>>>
>>> Susan
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
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> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Brown, Roger]

Jessica makes an important point.  Since the provenance of the copy (even
if it's new and sealed) is unknown when you sell from a Marketplace seller
on Amazon (did they get it from the distributor or from the back of a
truck that crashed in their neighborhood?) you can't be sure it's a
"legally acquired" copy and that therefore first-sale or other agreement
applies.

We are very restrictive of use when we are forced to acquire an
out-of-print title from a MP seller for an instructor and presume no
agreement has been passed on.

- - 
Roger Brown
Manager
UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
46 Powell Library
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
office: 310-206-1248
fax: 310-206-5392
rbr...@oid.ucla.edu

>
>
>--
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:03:04 -0400
>From: Jessica Rosner 
>Subject: Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of
>institutionally licensed video
>To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>Message-ID: 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
>OK I am totally confused. Did the original seller/owner sell home use
>copies
>and was this one supposedly "used". The question would be
>if the seller had literally signed off ( as in the proverbial I agree to
>these terms) when they bought it, in that case the original company could
>take action against them and have some reasonable claim that it was not a
>legal copy, though few places do that.
>
>The mystery is where did the copy come from and under what terms.
>
>On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Susan Albrecht 
>wrote:
>
>> I don't think I was clear in my use of the word aftermarket. It's NOT
>>the
>> original film distributor selling copies through amazon, and it's not
>>Amazon
>> selling. It's 'used' dealers selling through amazon. I didn't check in
>>this
>> specific case, but just like with 'used' dealers of books selling
>>through
>> amazon's aftermarket site, sometimes the copies are listed as brand new,
>> factory sealed. So that's my question. Or are you saying that if anyone
>>is
>> selling a DVD through amazon as an aftermarket dealer, they must have
>>gotten
>> the original distributor's permission?
>>
>> Susan


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Re: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of the Fireflies

[Ray Privett]

for fantastic planet try peter marai

i don't think milos (facets) licensed it but peter did when peter and milos
were working together

or peter had something to do with it anyway

peter is probably still at pma...@aol.com, otherwise he is somehow now
connected with the 'new' new yorker


On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Joan Miller  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have an idea of who distributes Fantastic Planet (Laloux,
> 1973) and Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988)?
> Thanks for any help.
> Joan Miller
>
> Joan Miller
> Head Archivist
> Wesleyan Cinema Archives
> 301 Washington Terrace
> Middletown, CT  06457
> Phone: (860) 685-3395
> FAX: (860) 685-3905
>
>
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Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing on amazon.com

[ghandman]

In amazon marketplace, the order is fulfilled by a third-party vendor
(i.e. the distributor of the film)  not by amazon directly.  So, when the
order hits, the distributor rejects it if they're charging institutional
prices and you're trying to buy it cheap.


> I know they have been actively goind after some educational titles. I just
> don't see how you control this on Amazon or any secondary seller.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:13 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Yeah...interestingly we've had a few orders bounced back from amazon as
>> requiring institutional prices...these are generally titles that amazon
>> is
>> brokering via amazon marketplace, rather than stuff sold by amazon
>> itself.
>>
>> gary handman
>>
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Just spotted tiered pricing on these DVDs at amazon.com:
>> >
>> > What Price Clean Air
>> >
>> > Chuck Close: A Portrait in Progress
>> >
>> > David Weissman's Short Stuff
>> >
>> > Little Moth (Xue Chan)
>> >
>> > Nelson Mandela: Free at Last
>> >
>> > Taoism
>> >
>> > and a few others (search on "Institutional Use". So a vendor can put
>> > in multiple prices on Amazon; if the vendor does not, how can they
>> > argue that you should have paid more?
>> >
>> >
>> > Brigid Duffy
>> > Academic Technology
>> > San Francisco State University
>> > San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
>> > E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu
>> >
>> >
>> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> acquisition,bibliographic
>> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
>> in
>> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
>> serve
>> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
>> channel
>> of
>> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> > producers and distributors.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>> and
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
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> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing on amazon.com

[Jessica Rosner]

I know they have been actively goind after some educational titles. I just
don't see how you control this on Amazon or any secondary seller.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:13 PM,  wrote:

> Yeah...interestingly we've had a few orders bounced back from amazon as
> requiring institutional prices...these are generally titles that amazon is
> brokering via amazon marketplace, rather than stuff sold by amazon itself.
>
> gary handman
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just spotted tiered pricing on these DVDs at amazon.com:
> >
> > What Price Clean Air
> >
> > Chuck Close: A Portrait in Progress
> >
> > David Weissman's Short Stuff
> >
> > Little Moth (Xue Chan)
> >
> > Nelson Mandela: Free at Last
> >
> > Taoism
> >
> > and a few others (search on "Institutional Use". So a vendor can put
> > in multiple prices on Amazon; if the vendor does not, how can they
> > argue that you should have paid more?
> >
> >
> > Brigid Duffy
> > Academic Technology
> > San Francisco State University
> > San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
> > E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu
> >
> >
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> of
> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> > producers and distributors.
> >
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing on amazon.com

[ghandman]

Yeah...interestingly we've had a few orders bounced back from amazon as
requiring institutional prices...these are generally titles that amazon is
brokering via amazon marketplace, rather than stuff sold by amazon itself.

gary handman


> Hi all,
>
> Just spotted tiered pricing on these DVDs at amazon.com:
>
> What Price Clean Air
>
> Chuck Close: A Portrait in Progress
>
> David Weissman's Short Stuff
>
> Little Moth (Xue Chan)
>
> Nelson Mandela: Free at Last
>
> Taoism
>
> and a few others (search on "Institutional Use". So a vendor can put
> in multiple prices on Amazon; if the vendor does not, how can they
> argue that you should have paid more?
>
>
> Brigid Duffy
> Academic Technology
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
> E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Off air record question

[ghandman]

Nope

The instructor can off-air tape and use in class (Kastenmeier is stupidly
restrictive...45 days, I think, but remember, these are guidelines, not
law)...but keeping the thing around for the long-haul (in a library
collection, say) is probably skating on thin ice.

gary handman



> Hi all,
>
> I've had a request from an administrator to record a short portion of a
> two hour national morning talk show. Our university participated in a
> study that is going to be reported on during a 10 minute segment of the
> show. The administrator doesn't have a specific use in mind for it, she
> just thinks it would be beneficial to have as a record.
>
> So, does this fall under Kastenmeier? I always had the impression this
> guideline covered more in class teaching related uses, plus the 10day/45
> day rules don't help me out much here.  Is there a legally acceptable way
> for the library to record a segment of this program and keep it
> indefinitely? Possibly even restricted to in-house use?
>
> Thanks,
> Kim
>
>
> Kim Stanton
> Head, Media Library
> University of North Texas
> kim.stan...@unt.edu
> P: (940) 565-4832
> F: (940) 369-7396
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Jessica Rosner]

OK I am totally confused. Did the original seller/owner sell home use copies
and was this one supposedly "used". The question would be
if the seller had literally signed off ( as in the proverbial I agree to
these terms) when they bought it, in that case the original company could
take action against them and have some reasonable claim that it was not a
legal copy, though few places do that.

The mystery is where did the copy come from and under what terms.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Susan Albrecht  wrote:

> I don't think I was clear in my use of the word aftermarket. It's NOT the
> original film distributor selling copies through amazon, and it's not Amazon
> selling. It's 'used' dealers selling through amazon. I didn't check in this
> specific case, but just like with 'used' dealers of books selling through
> amazon's aftermarket site, sometimes the copies are listed as brand new,
> factory sealed. So that's my question. Or are you saying that if anyone is
> selling a DVD through amazon as an aftermarket dealer, they must have gotten
> the original distributor's permission?
>
> Susan
>
> 
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Jessica Rosner [
> jessicapros...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:01 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of
> institutionally licensed video
>
> Susan
> The seller can either control it completely in which case there is no
> aftermarket or they choose to allow secondary sellers in which case they not
> maintain the tiered pricing. Most of the folks I work with are currently
> only selling to institutions. The soonest they would even think of a retail
> version is 18 monthts to two years and even them no certainty. Basically
> they simply can't afford to sell the home market though there would be some
> interest in their films. Selling 200 copies and getting back $15-$20 per
> copy would never cover the expenses and they made some really good films.
> Films where the majority of audience/use is academic are best sticking to
> institutional only sales.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Susan Albrecht  > wrote:
> Jessica said:
> One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth
> there are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there
> is something called  "institutional video" and that schools and libraries
> must pay more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself
> and nothing I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince
> him otherwise, because he was told this by another sales rep and this case
> it is titles widely available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/
> retailer.
>
>
> Susan:
> I think this is sometimes true.  A few months ago, I had a similar
> experience with someone pretty new to the film distribution world.  I
> ordered a copy of a DVD the very first moment I could get my hands on it,
> and at that time, what was available was a $30 home-use DVD.  I didn’t
> really need PPR and so I didn’t worry about it, just bought it.  A few
> MONTHS later, I received an email from someone at the company, which
> contained an invoice for the “institutional” price, along with commentary
> similar to what a number of you received in this case.
>
> I ended up having a bit of an email exchange and then a very nice phone
> conversation with the woman, followed by more emails, in which I explained
> why I didn’t think she really had a leg to stand on and in which we
> discussed tiered pricing, PPR, secondary sellers such as Amazon & Midwest
> Tape, etc.  I had fallen in love with the film [Pelada, btw] and had decided
> I was willing to pay the difference between the home use and the
> institutional simply because I supported what these young folks were doing
> with their project, but I also ‘warned’ her that she had better be prepared
> for others she was contacting to NOT be as friendly NOR as willing to pay
> the cost difference.  She had really not been very informed about this stuff
> and was quite happy to discuss it.  I honestly don’t know how much trouble
> she eventually ran into with others.
>
> Now, to throw in another wrinkle.  When I bought, it was available only
> from the filmmakers (who really should’ve had home use & institutional sales
> prepared to go simultaneously).  To my knowledge, the home use was never
> available through any secondary source.  So let’s say they had done it right
> and, from the beginning, had had tiered pricing and were the exclusive
> distributor.  What happens once *aftermarket* sellers begin offering up
> copies through a site like Amazon?  It isn’t Amazon directly selling it.
>  Anyone care to take that one on in terms of institutional obligations??
>
> Susan
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issu

Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Susan Albrecht]

I don't think I was clear in my use of the word aftermarket. It's NOT the 
original film distributor selling copies through amazon, and it's not Amazon 
selling. It's 'used' dealers selling through amazon. I didn't check in this 
specific case, but just like with 'used' dealers of books selling through 
amazon's aftermarket site, sometimes the copies are listed as brand new, 
factory sealed. So that's my question. Or are you saying that if anyone is 
selling a DVD through amazon as an aftermarket dealer, they must have gotten 
the original distributor's permission?

Susan


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
on behalf of Jessica Rosner [jessicapros...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:01 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of 
institutionally licensed video

Susan
The seller can either control it completely in which case there is no 
aftermarket or they choose to allow secondary sellers in which case they not 
maintain the tiered pricing. Most of the folks I work with are currently only 
selling to institutions. The soonest they would even think of a retail version 
is 18 monthts to two years and even them no certainty. Basically they simply 
can't afford to sell the home market though there would be some interest in 
their films. Selling 200 copies and getting back $15-$20 per copy would never 
cover the expenses and they made some really good films. Films where the 
majority of audience/use is academic are best sticking to institutional only 
sales.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Susan Albrecht 
mailto:albre...@wabash.edu>> wrote:
Jessica said:
One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth there 
are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there is 
something called  "institutional video" and that schools and libraries must pay 
more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself and nothing 
I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince him otherwise, 
because he was told this by another sales rep and this case it is titles widely 
available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/ retailer.


Susan:
I think this is sometimes true.  A few months ago, I had a similar experience 
with someone pretty new to the film distribution world.  I ordered a copy of a 
DVD the very first moment I could get my hands on it, and at that time, what 
was available was a $30 home-use DVD.  I didn’t really need PPR and so I didn’t 
worry about it, just bought it.  A few MONTHS later, I received an email from 
someone at the company, which contained an invoice for the “institutional” 
price, along with commentary similar to what a number of you received in this 
case.

I ended up having a bit of an email exchange and then a very nice phone 
conversation with the woman, followed by more emails, in which I explained why 
I didn’t think she really had a leg to stand on and in which we discussed 
tiered pricing, PPR, secondary sellers such as Amazon & Midwest Tape, etc.  I 
had fallen in love with the film [Pelada, btw] and had decided I was willing to 
pay the difference between the home use and the institutional simply because I 
supported what these young folks were doing with their project, but I also 
‘warned’ her that she had better be prepared for others she was contacting to 
NOT be as friendly NOR as willing to pay the cost difference.  She had really 
not been very informed about this stuff and was quite happy to discuss it.  I 
honestly don’t know how much trouble she eventually ran into with others.

Now, to throw in another wrinkle.  When I bought, it was available only from 
the filmmakers (who really should’ve had home use & institutional sales 
prepared to go simultaneously).  To my knowledge, the home use was never 
available through any secondary source.  So let’s say they had done it right 
and, from the beginning, had had tiered pricing and were the exclusive 
distributor.  What happens once *aftermarket* sellers begin offering up copies 
through a site like Amazon?  It isn’t Amazon directly selling it.  Anyone care 
to take that one on in terms of institutional obligations??

Susan


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Re: [Videolib] Off air record question

[Brewer, Michael]

It is just a short portion, so I'd just record it and then make sure that you 
add some sort of stipulation that if it is going to be used outside of teaching 
or for limited groups (not put up on the web or available to be further 
distributed), that a librarian or copyright expert should be consulted with.  I 
can't see any way this would harm the copyright holder or impact on them in any 
way, so I would personally not have a problem doing it, but if the copy is 
going to the administrator (not staying with the library) you might want to 
just make this a teachable moment.

mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Stanton, Kim
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:04 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Off air record question

Hi all,

I've had a request from an administrator to record a short portion of a two 
hour national morning talk show. Our university participated in a study that is 
going to be reported on during a 10 minute segment of the show. The 
administrator doesn't have a specific use in mind for it, she just thinks it 
would be beneficial to have as a record.

So, does this fall under Kastenmeier? I always had the impression this 
guideline covered more in class teaching related uses, plus the 10day/45 day 
rules don't help me out much here.  Is there a legally acceptable way for the 
library to record a segment of this program and keep it indefinitely? Possibly 
even restricted to in-house use?

Thanks,
Kim


Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396

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Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[Susan Albrecht]

Per course is not the way it is being touted now. It's any number of 
profs/courses for the time period. Or so it was explained to me. 

Susan

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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
on behalf of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu [ghand...@library.berkeley.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:46 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

...and ya gotta keep firmly in mind that Swank licenses for access by
specific courses for a specified amount of time.  I may be a voice
shrek-ing in the wildness, but I simply can't support that kind of
circumscribed/limited access by the library (at least my library).

gary


> Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus.  I
> just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles.
> Thanks for the back up.  Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am
> now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable.
> regards
> jhs
>
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
 Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 12:44 PM >>>
> Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible
> though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the
> titles.
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
> I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his
> request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.
>
>
> The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a
> few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be
> accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that
> at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair
> use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film
> would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming
> rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor
> correct information?
>
>
> thanks
>
>
> jhs
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
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betwe

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Jessica Rosner]

I don't disagree, but the problem is that two types of films or distribution
of films has gotten confused  because some sellers chose to again
have their cake and eat it too. There are many companies whose product is
geared exclusively to the academic market and frankly it is going to cost a
lot more to buy that film than  a copy of Citizen Kane. If there were tons
 of individuals or stores or streaming services out there wanting to buy a
film about the effects of Rwandan genocide on one village or the issue of
gerrymandering ( to selfishly use two films I work on) than it would be
great and everyone could get one for $20. Alas there is not such an audience
so films whose exclusive audience is the institutional market will cost
more. Teachers and librarians will obviously have to decide if the material
is worth it, but if it, is paying $200 or $300 for such a film should not be
a deal breaker. If there is a film someone is likely to use in more than one
class and or is likely to be needed in the library for research than WITHIN
reason it should be bought. If only one student needs it than it would not
be a good idea. If you don't want or need the film you do not have to buy it
but filmmakers and distributors of specialized. non fiction materal will not
be pricing titles at $20 for Amazon and if they do they have no one but
themselves to blame when an institution buys it on Amazon.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Foster, Jennifer  wrote:

> **Begin Soapbox**
>
>
>
> Personally, I think some filmmakers/producers need Business 101, Marketing
> 101, and Economics 101 if they want to make a living. This is the simplest
> issue of supply and demand…they don’t even have to go to college, they can
> go to WalMart, or Target, or Sears, or any store out there, and I’m fairly
> sure they do since they need to eat. If the price is right, and ***there is
> an identified need (read demand)***, the product will sell. Otherwise it
> won’t. Tell me who needs this film - what subjects it is appropriate for,
> and WHY – and if it fits in my institutions’ areas of study, and I can
> afford it, I will buy it.  I will NOT buy something just because it won a
> bunch of awards, or because it cost so much to produce – that is the
> filmmaker’s risk, not mine.
>
>
>
> And our copyright scholar says NEVER, EVER pay extra for something that is
> covered under TEACH or copyright. When you do, you are building their case
> for them, which could come back to bite you in the future. Because I like
> them and want to support a filmmaker is no reason to give up my rights.
>
>
>
> **End Soapbox**
>
>
>
> Jennifer Foster
>
> Media Librarian
>
> Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
>
> http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gary,
>
> >
>
> > Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians.
>
> >
>
> > I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about
> not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library
> market.
>
> >
>
> > It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their
> patrons if the cost of the videos is low.  If the cost is high, our budgets
> will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better
> be a stand out.
>
> >
>
> > It's also a matter of what the market will bear.  If libraries continue
> to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the
> higher price?
>
> >
>
> > And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to
> make a living, but don't we all?  Libraries shouldn't be responsible for
> subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're
> about.
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Janice Woo
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
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212-627-1785 (land line)
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Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Jessica Rosner]

P.S I am going to email some of these posts to my guy who still thinks
institutions should pay more even if all his titles are on Amazon, Midwest
tape etc. Again he really means well but someone told him it was so.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote:

> Well that is whole other kettle of fish. Overseas owners can get sensitive
> about that.
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand.
>>  I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD.  She did not "insist" that
>> we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title
>> in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and
>> how much we paid for it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Wright
>> Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services
>> William S. Boyd School of Law
>> University of Nevada Las Vegas
>> 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080
>> Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080
>> (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax)
>>
>>
>>
>> From:Bob Norris 
>> To:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> Date:05/05/2011 01:41 PM
>> Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
>> Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Janice,
>>
>> I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good
>> education. The National Media Market is currently working on the
>> professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues
>> may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if
>> the session happens.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob Norris
>> Film Ideas
>>
>> On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, 
>> *videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu*wrote:
>>
>>  4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo)
>>
>> *From: *jwoo <*j...@cca.edu* >
>> *Date: *May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT
>> *To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* 
>> *Cc: *RG FIlms <*r...@roygermano.com* >, *
>> jcon...@berkeley.edu* 
>> *Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice*
>> *Reply-To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* 
>>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians.
>>
>> I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about
>> not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library
>> market.
>>
>> It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their
>> patrons if the cost of the videos is low.  If the cost is high, our budgets
>> will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better
>> be a stand out.
>>
>> It's also a matter of what the market will bear.  If libraries continue to
>> pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the
>> higher price?
>>
>> And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to
>> make a living, but don't we all?  Libraries shouldn't be responsible for
>> subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're
>> about.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Janice Woo
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Foster, Jennifer]

*Begin Soapbox*

 

Personally, I think some filmmakers/producers need Business 101,
Marketing 101, and Economics 101 if they want to make a living. This is
the simplest issue of supply and demand...they don't even have to go to
college, they can go to WalMart, or Target, or Sears, or any store out
there, and I'm fairly sure they do since they need to eat. If the price
is right, and ***there is an identified need (read demand)***, the
product will sell. Otherwise it won't. Tell me who needs this film -
what subjects it is appropriate for, and WHY - and if it fits in my
institutions' areas of study, and I can afford it, I will buy it.  I
will NOT buy something just because it won a bunch of awards, or because
it cost so much to produce - that is the filmmaker's risk, not mine.

 

And our copyright scholar says NEVER, EVER pay extra for something that
is covered under TEACH or copyright. When you do, you are building their
case for them, which could come back to bite you in the future. Because
I like them and want to support a filmmaker is no reason to give up my
rights.

 

*End Soapbox*

 

Jennifer Foster

Media Librarian

Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library

http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu

 

 

 

Gary,

> 

> Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians.

> 

> I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors
about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for
the library market.

> 

> It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to
their patrons if the cost of the videos is low.  If the cost is high,
our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is
expensive, it better be a stand out.

> 

> It's also a matter of what the market will bear.  If libraries
continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask
us for the higher price?

> 

> And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having
to make a living, but don't we all?  Libraries shouldn't be responsible
for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is
what we're about.

> 

> Regards,

> Janice Woo

 

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distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[Jo Ann Reynolds]

Swank has been doing some consortial stuff which brings the price down.
Waldo is one and BLC is looking it as well. Still not as cheap as one
might like but it's very helpful for supporting distance learning.

Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
Reserve Services Coordinator
University of Connecticut
Homer Babbidge Library
Storrs,  CT
860-486-1406 (p)
860-486-5636 (f)
jo_ann.reyno...@uconn.edu
http://classguides.lib.uconn.edu/mediaresources

Question Reality


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:47 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

...and ya gotta keep firmly in mind that Swank licenses for access by
specific courses for a specified amount of time.  I may be a voice
shrek-ing in the wildness, but I simply can't support that kind of
circumscribed/limited access by the library (at least my library).

gary


> Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus.
I
> just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles.
> Thanks for the back up.  Coming up on ten years doing this work and I
am
> now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable.
> regards
> jhs
>
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
 Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 12:44 PM >>>
> Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be
impossible
> though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the
> titles.
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
> I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to
his
> request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.
>
>
> The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to
stream a
> few full length feature films for the students. These films would only
be
> accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him
that
> at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by
fair
> use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature
film
> would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming
> rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this
professor
> correct information?
>
>
> thanks
>
>
> jhs
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats
in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
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of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acqu

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Jessica Rosner]

Well that is whole other kettle of fish. Overseas owners can get sensitive
about that.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM,  wrote:

> I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand.
>  I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD.  She did not "insist" that
> we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title
> in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and
> how much we paid for it.
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Wright
> Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services
> William S. Boyd School of Law
> University of Nevada Las Vegas
> 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080
> Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080
> (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax)
>
>
>
> From:Bob Norris 
> To:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Date:05/05/2011 01:41 PM
> Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
> Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
> --
>
>
>
> Janice,
>
> I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good
> education. The National Media Market is currently working on the
> professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues
> may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if
> the session happens.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Norris
> Film Ideas
>
> On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, 
> *videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu*wrote:
>
>  4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo)
>
> *From: *jwoo <*j...@cca.edu* >
> *Date: *May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT
> *To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* 
> *Cc: *RG FIlms <*r...@roygermano.com* >, *
> jcon...@berkeley.edu* 
> *Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice*
> *Reply-To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* 
>
>
> Gary,
>
> Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians.
>
> I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about
> not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library
> market.
>
> It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their
> patrons if the cost of the videos is low.  If the cost is high, our budgets
> will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better
> be a stand out.
>
> It's also a matter of what the market will bear.  If libraries continue to
> pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the
> higher price?
>
> And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to
> make a living, but don't we all?  Libraries shouldn't be responsible for
> subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're
> about.
>
> Regards,
> Janice Woo
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Tiered pricing on amazon.com

[Brigid Duffy]

Hi all,

Just spotted tiered pricing on these DVDs at amazon.com:

What Price Clean Air

Chuck Close: A Portrait in Progress

David Weissman's Short Stuff

Little Moth (Xue Chan)

Nelson Mandela: Free at Last

Taoism

and a few others (search on "Institutional Use". So a vendor can put  
in multiple prices on Amazon; if the vendor does not, how can they  
argue that you should have paid more?


Brigid Duffy
Academic Technology
San Francisco State University
San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu


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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Off air record question

[Stanton, Kim]

Hi all,

I've had a request from an administrator to record a short portion of a two 
hour national morning talk show. Our university participated in a study that is 
going to be reported on during a 10 minute segment of the show. The 
administrator doesn't have a specific use in mind for it, she just thinks it 
would be beneficial to have as a record.

So, does this fall under Kastenmeier? I always had the impression this 
guideline covered more in class teaching related uses, plus the 10day/45 day 
rules don't help me out much here.  Is there a legally acceptable way for the 
library to record a segment of this program and keep it indefinitely? Possibly 
even restricted to in-house use?

Thanks,
Kim


Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396

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Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[Jessica Rosner]

Yikes. Last i checked DANTON was not available but you could always ask
GAUMONT in France. or Criterion which released All Quiet IS Swank. I think
TO LIVE & BLACK RAIN are one where rights are overseas. Dang nothing to
simple on that list.

Too bad the guy was not teaching something someone on the listserv had. Tell
him if he changes his class to Melies I will make him a great deal
(kidding).

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:40 PM, John Streepy  wrote:

>  Danton with Gerard Depardeau; All Quiet on the Western Front (1930);
> Black Rain (Kuroi ame) ; and To Live (Hou zhe); and a part of the Genius
> that was China from WGBH.
>
> regars
>
> jhs
>
> >>> Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 1:16 PM >>>
>
> Well give us the titles. If they are not Swank they may be cheaper.
>
>   On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Streepy
>
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>>  Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus. I
>> just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles.
>> Thanks for the back up. Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now
>> starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable.
>>
>> regards
>>
>>  jhs
>>
>>
>> John H. Streepy
>> Media Services Supervisor
>> Library-Media Circulation
>> James E. Brooks Library
>> Central Washington University
>> 400 East University Way
>> Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548
>>
>> (509) 963-2861
>> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>>
>> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
>> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>>
>> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   >>> Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 12:44 PM >>>
>>
>>
>> Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible
>> though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles.
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy
>>
>> 
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his
>>> request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.
>>>
>>>
>>>  The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream
>>> a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be
>>> accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at
>>> best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use
>>> and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would
>>> violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for
>>> feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct
>>> information?
>>>
>>>
>>>  thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>  jhs
>>>
>>>
>>> John H. Streepy
>>> Media Services Supervisor
>>> Library-Media Circulation
>>> James E. Brooks Library
>>> Central Washington University
>>> 400 East University Way
>>> Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548
>>>
>>> (509) 963-2861
>>> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>>>
>>> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
>>> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>>>
>>> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>>> producers and distributors.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jessica Rosner
>> Media Consultant
>> 224-545-3897 (cell)
>> 212-627-1785 (land line)
>> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the sel

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[matthew . wright]

I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand. 
I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD.  She did not "insist" 
that we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the 
title in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we 
purchased it and how much we paid for it. 




Matthew Wright
Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services
William S. Boyd School of Law
University of Nevada Las Vegas
4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080
Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080
(702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax)



From:   Bob Norris 
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Date:   05/05/2011 01:41 PM
Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu



Janice,

I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good 
education. The National Media Market is currently working on the 
professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright 
issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the 
agenda if the session happens.

Regards,
Bob Norris 
Film Ideas

On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote:

  4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo)

From: jwoo 
Date: May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Cc: RG FIlms , jcon...@berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu


Gary,

Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians.

I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about 
not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the 
library market.

It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their 
patrons if the cost of the videos is low.  If the cost is high, our 
budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, 
it better be a stand out.

It's also a matter of what the market will bear.  If libraries continue to 
pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the 
higher price?

And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to 
make a living, but don't we all?  Libraries shouldn't be responsible for 
subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what 
we're about.

Regards,
Janice Woo

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic 
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in 
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve 
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of 
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video 
producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[ghandman]

...and ya gotta keep firmly in mind that Swank licenses for access by
specific courses for a specified amount of time.  I may be a voice
shrek-ing in the wildness, but I simply can't support that kind of
circumscribed/limited access by the library (at least my library).

gary


> Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus.  I
> just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles.
> Thanks for the back up.  Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am
> now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable.
> regards
> jhs
>
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
 Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 12:44 PM >>>
> Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible
> though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the
> titles.
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
> I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his
> request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.
>
>
> The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a
> few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be
> accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that
> at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair
> use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film
> would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming
> rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor
> correct information?
>
>
> thanks
>
>
> jhs
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[John Streepy]

Danton with Gerard Depardeau; All Quiet on the Western Front (1930); Black Rain 
(Kuroi ame) ; and To Live (Hou zhe); and a part of the Genius that was China 
from WGBH. 
regars 
jhs

>>> Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 1:16 PM >>>
Well give us the titles. If they are not Swank they may be cheaper.


On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Streepy 
 

wrote:


Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus. I just 
searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles. Thanks for 
the back up. Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now starting to 
think of myself as moderately knowledgeable. 
regards 

jhs 


John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!





>>> Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 12:44 PM >>> 



Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible 
though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles.




On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy 
 

wrote:


Hello all, 
I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request 
but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. 


The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few 
full length feature films for the students. These films would only be 
accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at 
best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and 
the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate 
copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature 
films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? 


thanks 


jhs 

John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548

(509) 963-2861 ( tel:%28509%29%20963-2861 )
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!






VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.





--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 ( tel:224-545-3897 ) (cell)
212-627-1785 ( tel:212-627-1785 ) (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.





--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Bob Norris]

Janice,

I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. 
The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development 
sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll 
recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens.

Regards,
Bob Norris 
Film Ideas

On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote:
> 
>   4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo)
> 
> From: jwoo 
> Date: May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Cc: RG FIlms , jcon...@berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
> Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> 
> 
> Gary,
> 
> Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians.
> 
> I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not 
> only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library 
> market.
> 
> It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their 
> patrons if the cost of the videos is low.  If the cost is high, our budgets 
> will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better 
> be a stand out.
> 
> It's also a matter of what the market will bear.  If libraries continue to 
> pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher 
> price?
> 
> And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to 
> make a living, but don't we all?  Libraries shouldn't be responsible for 
> subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're 
> about.
> 
> Regards,
> Janice Woo
> 

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Chris Lewis]

For the record, we got this email too and our legal counsel
recommended saying simply that we purchased our copy legally and we
abide by the copyright law. His initial reaction was to recommend
ignoring it altogether.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:
> Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my 
> internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying to 
> the original message.  (Snipped to remove some elements that are 
> institutionally specific)
>
>
> 
>
> That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion.
>
> I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com, where 
> it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50
>
> If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of first 
> sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy.
>
> Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public 
> performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes.
>
> See:  http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110
>
> When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a 
> requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price.  Were the 
> distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home video 
> copy and insist that we pay $250.  But as we (I assume) purchased through 
> Amazon, they cannot make that claim.
>
> -deg
>
> --
> deg farrelly, Full Librarian
> Mail Code 1006
> Arizona State University
> P.O. Box 871006
> Tempe, AZ 85287
> Phone:  480.965.1403
> Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM
>
>>
>> I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a
>> film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION.
>> According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that
>> you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20).
>> To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been
>> licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250).
>>
>> DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website
>> --
>> http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
>>
>> On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the
>> website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities". Please click
>> that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
>>
>> We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free
>> to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe our
>> records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with
>> our distributor by phone or email.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Roy Germano, Ph.D.
>> Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
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> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
>



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American University Library
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Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[Jessica Rosner]

Well give us the titles. If they are not Swank they may be cheaper.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Streepy  wrote:

>  Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus.  I
> just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles.
>  Thanks for the back up.  Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am
> now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable.
>
> regards
>
> jhs
>
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
> >>> Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 12:44 PM >>>
>
> Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible
> though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles.
>
>   On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy
>
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>>  Hello all,
>>
>> I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his
>> request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.
>>
>>
>>  The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream
>> a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be
>> accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at
>> best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use
>> and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would
>> violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for
>> feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct
>> information?
>>
>>
>>  thanks
>>
>>
>>  jhs
>>
>>
>> John H. Streepy
>> Media Services Supervisor
>> Library-Media Circulation
>> James E. Brooks Library
>> Central Washington University
>> 400 East University Way
>> Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548
>>
>> (509) 963-2861
>> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>>
>> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
>> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>>
>> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


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Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[John Streepy]

Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus.  I just 
searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles.  Thanks for 
the back up.  Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now starting to 
think of myself as moderately knowledgeable. 
regards 
jhs 


John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!




>>> Jessica Rosner  5/5/2011 12:44 PM >>>
Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible 
though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles.


On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy 
 

wrote:


Hello all, 
I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request 
but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. 


The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few 
full length feature films for the students. These films would only be 
accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at 
best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and 
the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate 
copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature 
films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? 


thanks 


jhs 

John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!






VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.





--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Jessica Rosner]

Susan
The seller can either control it completely in which case there is no
aftermarket or they choose to allow secondary sellers in which case they not
maintain the tiered pricing. Most of the folks I work with are currently
only selling to institutions. The soonest they would even think of a retail
version is 18 monthts to two years and even them no certainty. Basically
they simply can't afford to sell the home market though there would be some
interest in their films. Selling 200 copies and getting back $15-$20 per
copy would never cover the expenses and they made some really good films.
Films where the majority of audience/use is academic are best sticking to
institutional only sales.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Susan Albrecht  wrote:

>  Jessica said:
>
> One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth
> there are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there
> is something called  "institutional video" and that schools and libraries
> must pay more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself
> and nothing I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince
> him otherwise, because he was told this by another sales rep and this case
> it is titles widely available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/
> retailer.
>
>
>
>
>
> Susan:
> I think this is sometimes true.  A few months ago, I had a similar
> experience with someone pretty new to the film distribution world.  I
> ordered a copy of a DVD the very first moment I could get my hands on it,
> and at that time, what was available was a $30 home-use DVD.  I didn’t
> really need PPR and so I didn’t worry about it, just bought it.  A few
> MONTHS later, I received an email from someone at the company, which
> contained an invoice for the “institutional” price, along with commentary
> similar to what a number of you received in this case.
>
>
>
> I ended up having a bit of an email exchange and then a very nice phone
> conversation with the woman, followed by more emails, in which I explained
> why I didn’t think she really had a leg to stand on and in which we
> discussed tiered pricing, PPR, secondary sellers such as Amazon & Midwest
> Tape, etc.  I had fallen in love with the film [*Pelada*, btw] and had
> decided I was willing to pay the difference between the home use and the
> institutional simply because I supported what these young folks were doing
> with their project, but I also ‘warned’ her that she had better be prepared
> for others she was contacting to NOT be as friendly NOR as willing to pay
> the cost difference.  She had really *not *been very informed about this
> stuff and was quite happy to discuss it.  I honestly don’t know how much
> trouble she eventually ran into with others.
>
>
>
> Now, to throw in another wrinkle.  When I bought, it was available only
> from the filmmakers (who really should’ve had home use & institutional sales
> prepared to go simultaneously).  To my knowledge, the home use was never
> available through any secondary source.  So let’s say they had done it
> right and, from the beginning, had had tiered pricing and were the exclusive
> distributor.  What happens once **aftermarket** sellers begin offering up
> copies through a site like Amazon?  It isn’t Amazon directly selling it.  
> Anyone
> care to take that one on in terms of institutional obligations??
>
>
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[ghandman]

right on!

gary


> Hello all,
> I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his
> request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.
>
> The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a
> few full length feature films for the students.  These films would only be
> accessible though a closed password encrypted system.  I informed him that
> at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair
> use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film
> would violate copyright.  I then informed him that obtaining streaming
> rights for feature films is next to impossible.  Did I give this professor
> correct information?
>
> thanks
>
> jhs
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[Susan Albrecht]

I agree with Jessica.  Did you give the professor the correct information?  Yes 
and no, I'd say.  Swank now has a catalog of >7,000 feature films for which 
they have streaming rights (for academic use and via course management 
systems).  The cost varies depending on number you're signing on for and 
duration of access.

Susan


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:45 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible 
though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy 
mailto:john.stre...@cwu.edu>> wrote:

Hello all,

I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request 
but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.


The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few 
full length feature films for the students.  These films would only be 
accessible though a closed password encrypted system.  I informed him that at 
best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and 
the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate 
copyright.  I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature 
films is next to impossible.  Did I give this professor correct information?


thanks


jhs

John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!




VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Susan Albrecht]

Jessica said:
One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth there 
are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there is 
something called  "institutional video" and that schools and libraries must pay 
more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself and nothing 
I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince him otherwise, 
because he was told this by another sales rep and this case it is titles widely 
available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/ retailer.


Susan:
I think this is sometimes true.  A few months ago, I had a similar experience 
with someone pretty new to the film distribution world.  I ordered a copy of a 
DVD the very first moment I could get my hands on it, and at that time, what 
was available was a $30 home-use DVD.  I didn't really need PPR and so I didn't 
worry about it, just bought it.  A few MONTHS later, I received an email from 
someone at the company, which contained an invoice for the "institutional" 
price, along with commentary similar to what a number of you received in this 
case.

I ended up having a bit of an email exchange and then a very nice phone 
conversation with the woman, followed by more emails, in which I explained why 
I didn't think she really had a leg to stand on and in which we discussed 
tiered pricing, PPR, secondary sellers such as Amazon & Midwest Tape, etc.  I 
had fallen in love with the film [Pelada, btw] and had decided I was willing to 
pay the difference between the home use and the institutional simply because I 
supported what these young folks were doing with their project, but I also 
'warned' her that she had better be prepared for others she was contacting to 
NOT be as friendly NOR as willing to pay the cost difference.  She had really 
not been very informed about this stuff and was quite happy to discuss it.  I 
honestly don't know how much trouble she eventually ran into with others.

Now, to throw in another wrinkle.  When I bought, it was available only from 
the filmmakers (who really should've had home use & institutional sales 
prepared to go simultaneously).  To my knowledge, the home use was never 
available through any secondary source.  So let's say they had done it right 
and, from the beginning, had had tiered pricing and were the exclusive 
distributor.  What happens once *aftermarket* sellers begin offering up copies 
through a site like Amazon?  It isn't Amazon directly selling it.  Anyone care 
to take that one on in terms of institutional obligations??

Susan

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[jwoo]

Gary,

Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians.

I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors  
about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for  
the library market.

It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to  
their patrons if the cost of the videos is low.  If the cost is high,  
our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is  
expensive, it better be a stand out.

It's also a matter of what the market will bear.  If libraries  
continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers  
ask us for the higher price?

And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having  
to make a living, but don't we all?  Libraries shouldn't be  
responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our  
patrons is what we're about.

Regards,
Janice Woo


On May 5, 2011, at 11:57 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:

> Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and  
> others by
> sending this out, I'm afraid to say.  Wish you had done a bit of
> investigation and thinking before hitting the send key.
>
> Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure
> performance rights for screening outside of individual use and  
> classrooms
> (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the  
> copyright
> law)
>
> If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging  
> institutions
> higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home  
> video
> market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge  
> both home
> and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not  
> amazon
> and other mass marketers)
>
> gary handman
>
>
>
>> Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used  
>> for
>> public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film  
>> for
>> community events. But if only lending out for personal use or  
>> classroom
>> instruction, of course that's no problem.
>> Roy Germano
>>
>>
>> On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Film Distributor
>>>
>>> The title in question was bought from a valid home video  
>>> distribution
>>> source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law.
>>> Since we do not require public performance rights in our  
>>> institution, we
>>> make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they  
>>> are
>>> available.
>>>
>>> If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for
>>> institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the
>>> same
>>> time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no
>>> contract
>>> or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as  
>>> amazon
>>> (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other  
>>> practices
>>> restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we  
>>> made
>>> were legal and in good faith.
>>>
>>> I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the  
>>> above
>>> contentions are supported by almost universal practice among  
>>> independent
>>> film and video distributors.
>>>
>>> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.
>>>
>>> Gary Handman
>>> Director
>>> Media Resources Center
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> Dear Librarian,
>
> I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright  
> holder
> of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF
> IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER  
> SIDE
> OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for  
> home use
> only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you
> must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in
> college/university libraries* (retail price: $250).
>
> DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on  
> our
> website --
> http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
> 
>
> On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand  
> side of
> the website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities
> ". Please  
> click
> that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
>
> We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please
> feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions,
> believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to  
> make
> your purchase with our distributor by phone or email.
>
> Sincerely,
> Roy Germano, Ph.D.
> Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC
>
> *Follow the film on TWITTER
>  & FACEBOOK
> 

Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question

[Jessica Rosner]

Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible
though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the
titles.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy  wrote:

>  Hello all,
>
> I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his
> request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.
>
>  The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a
> few full length feature films for the students.  These films would only be
> accessible though a closed password encrypted system.  I informed him that
> at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use
> and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would
> violate copyright.  I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for
> feature films is next to impossible.  Did I give this professor correct
> information?
>
>  thanks
>
>  jhs
>
> John H. Streepy
> Media Services Supervisor
> Library-Media Circulation
> James E. Brooks Library
> Central Washington University
> 400 East University Way
> Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548
>
> (509) 963-2861
> http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media
>
> "Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
> All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"
>
> Transitus profusum est nocens!
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Streaming Question

[John Streepy]

Hello all, 
I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request 
but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body.   

The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few 
full length feature films for the students.  These films would only be 
accessible though a closed password encrypted system.  I informed him that at 
best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and 
the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate 
copyright.  I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature 
films is next to impossible.  Did I give this professor correct information? 

thanks 

jhs 
John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!





VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Ball, James (jmb4aw)]

I'm curious about how he knows what anyone paid for their copy if they didn't 
buy it from him.

Matt


 
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812


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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM
To: RG FIlms
Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by
sending this out, I'm afraid to say.  Wish you had done a bit of
investigation and thinking before hitting the send key.

Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure
performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms
(which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright
law)

If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions
higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video
market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home
and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon
and other mass marketers)

gary handman



> Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for
> public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for
> community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom
> instruction, of course that's no problem.
> Roy Germano
>
>
> On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>
>> Dear Film Distributor
>>
>> The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution
>> source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law.
>> Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we
>> make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are
>> available.
>>
>> If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for
>> institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the
>> same
>> time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no
>> contract
>> or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon
>> (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices
>> restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made
>> were legal and in good faith.
>>
>> I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above
>> contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent
>> film and video distributors.
>>
>> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

 Dear Librarian,

 I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder
 of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF
 IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE
 OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use
 only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you
 must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in
 college/university libraries* (retail price: $250).

 DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
 website --
 http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
 

 On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of
 the website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities
 ". Please click
 that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.

 We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please
 feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions,
 believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make
 your purchase with our distributor by phone or email.

 Sincerely,
 Roy Germano, Ph.D.
 Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC

 *Follow the film on TWITTER
  & FACEBOOK
 *
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>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Steven Black
>>> Head, Acquisitions Division
>>> The Bancroft Library
>>> University of California
>>> Berkeley, CA   94720-6000
>>> 510-642-1320 t
>>> 510-643-2548 f
>>> sbl...@library.berkeley.edu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> G

Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - FirstNotice

[Tatar, Becky]

I haven’t received this, but perhaps he is only addressing the 
college/university market.  We purchased our copy from Midwest, also.

 

Becky Tatar

Periodicals/Audiovisuals

Aurora Public Library

1 E. Benton Street

Aurora, IL   60505

Phone: 630-264-4100

FAX: 630-896-3209

blt...@aurora.lib.il.us

www.aurora.lib.il.us

 

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:42 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - FirstNotice

 

Anybody else receive this?

Apparently someone hasn’t read section 110 of the copyright code.

 

I checked our records – we purchased through Midwest Tape, so wasn’t exactly a 
shady deal…

 

 

Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

 

From: Roy Germano Films LLC [mailto:r...@roygermano.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:10 PM
To: Bergman, Barbara J
Subject: Licensing issue - First Notice

 

Dear Librarian,

I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film 
you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to 
our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on 
your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this 
film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in 
college/university libraries (retail price: $250).

DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website --
http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com 
 

On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the 
website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities 
 ". Please click that 
link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
 
We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to 
contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are 
incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor 
by phone or email.

Sincerely,
Roy Germano, Ph.D.
Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC

 

 

 

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  & FACEBOOK 
 

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VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Jessica Rosner]

One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth
there are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there
is something called  "institutional video" and that schools and libraries
must pay more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself
and nothing I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince
him otherwise, because he was told this by another sales rep and this case
it is titles widely available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/
retailer.

However the flip side of this is distributors who see their films illegally
digitized and streamed by major institutions, academics claiming they can
use copies they taped of TV 20 years ago ( and have since transferred to
video) and on campus groups ( often including academics) that do in fact
show films and claim that because it is on a campus it is "educational" and
they don't have to pay and institutions buying copies of "rare" films from
China or traderbobs web site.

I appreciate you guys so much as I know you try your best to keep things
both legal and fair, but alas not everyone does.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:

> Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my
> internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying
> to the original message.  (Snipped to remove some elements that are
> institutionally specific)
>
>
> 
>
> That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion.
>
> I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com,
> where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50
>
> If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of
> first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy.
>
> Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public
> performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes.
>
> See:  http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110
>
> When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a
> requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price.  Were the
> distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home
> video copy and insist that we pay $250.  But as we (I assume) purchased
> through Amazon, they cannot make that claim.
>
> -deg
>
> --
> deg farrelly, Full Librarian
> Mail Code 1006
> Arizona State University
> P.O. Box 871006
> Tempe, AZ 85287
> Phone:  480.965.1403
> Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu
>
>
> > -Original Message-
>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM
>
> >
> > I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of
> a
> > film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION.
> > According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION
> that
> > you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price:
> $20).
> > To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been
> > licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250).
> >
> > DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
> website
> > --
> > http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
> >
> > On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the
> > website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities". Please
> click
> > that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
> >
> > We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel
> free
> > to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe
> our
> > records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase
> with
> > our distributor by phone or email.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Roy Germano, Ph.D.
> > Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First Notice

[Maloy, Vicky]

And, at the risk of being Mrs. Obvious: "Never go against a Sicilian when death 
is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha..."
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/quotes)

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:02 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First 
Notice

Just got a response back from him regarding my reply… Gee, maybe if you're just 
concerned about PPR, you should have said that instead of trying to threaten us.

"Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for 
public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for 
community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom 
instruction, of course that's no problem." RG

Don't go against a librarian when copyright is on the line...
Barb 
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Mary Hanlin]

Sorry, I typed too soon; I'm really glad this listserv exists:)

Mary Hanlin
Media Collection Development Librarian
Tidewater Community College
120 Campus Drive,
Portsmouth, Virginia 23701
P: 757-822-2133
F: 757-822-2149
mhan...@tcc.edu


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Hanlin
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:04 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu; RG FIlms
Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

I just got that email as well.  (We purchased from a vendor that only sells to 
libraries.) I am very interested in hearing how others are handling this.

Mary Hanlin
Media Collection Development Librarian
Tidewater Community College
120 Campus Drive,
Portsmouth, Virginia 23701
P: 757-822-2133
F: 757-822-2149
mhan...@tcc.edu


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM
To: RG FIlms
Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by
sending this out, I'm afraid to say.  Wish you had done a bit of
investigation and thinking before hitting the send key.

Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure
performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms
(which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright
law)

If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions
higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video
market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home
and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon
and other mass marketers)

gary handman



> Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for
> public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for
> community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom
> instruction, of course that's no problem.
> Roy Germano
>
>
> On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>
>> Dear Film Distributor
>>
>> The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution
>> source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law.
>> Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we
>> make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are
>> available.
>>
>> If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for
>> institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the
>> same
>> time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no
>> contract
>> or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon
>> (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices
>> restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made
>> were legal and in good faith.
>>
>> I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above
>> contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent
>> film and video distributors.
>>
>> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

 Dear Librarian,

 I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder
 of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF
 IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE
 OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use
 only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you
 must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in
 college/university libraries* (retail price: $250).

 DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
 website --
 http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
 

 On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of
 the website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities
 ". Please click
 that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.

 We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please
 feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions,
 believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make
 your purchase with our distributor by phone or email.

 Sincerely,
 Roy Germano, Ph.D.
 Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC

 *Follow the film on TWITTER
  & FACEBOOK
 *
 

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[Mary Hanlin]

I just got that email as well.  (We purchased from a vendor that only sells to 
libraries.) I am very interested in hearing how others are handling this.

Mary Hanlin
Media Collection Development Librarian
Tidewater Community College
120 Campus Drive,
Portsmouth, Virginia 23701
P: 757-822-2133
F: 757-822-2149
mhan...@tcc.edu


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM
To: RG FIlms
Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by
sending this out, I'm afraid to say.  Wish you had done a bit of
investigation and thinking before hitting the send key.

Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure
performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms
(which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright
law)

If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions
higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video
market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home
and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon
and other mass marketers)

gary handman



> Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for
> public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for
> community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom
> instruction, of course that's no problem.
> Roy Germano
>
>
> On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>
>> Dear Film Distributor
>>
>> The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution
>> source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law.
>> Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we
>> make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are
>> available.
>>
>> If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for
>> institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the
>> same
>> time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no
>> contract
>> or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon
>> (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices
>> restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made
>> were legal and in good faith.
>>
>> I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above
>> contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent
>> film and video distributors.
>>
>> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

 Dear Librarian,

 I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder
 of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF
 IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE
 OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use
 only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you
 must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in
 college/university libraries* (retail price: $250).

 DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
 website --
 http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
 

 On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of
 the website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities
 ". Please click
 that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.

 We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please
 feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions,
 believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make
 your purchase with our distributor by phone or email.

 Sincerely,
 Roy Germano, Ph.D.
 Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC

 *Follow the film on TWITTER
  & FACEBOOK
 *
 *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com
 

 
 Unsubscribe / Change Profile
 
 Powered by YMLP 

>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Steven Black
>>> Head, Acquisitions Division
>>> The Bancroft Library
>>> University of California
>>> Berkeley, CA   94720-6000
>>> 510-642-1320 t
>>> 510-643-2548 

Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First Notice

[Bergman, Barbara J]

Just got a response back from him regarding my reply… Gee, maybe if you're just 
concerned about PPR, you should have said that instead of trying to threaten us.

"Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for 
public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for 
community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom 
instruction, of course that's no problem." RG

Don't go against a librarian when copyright is on the line...
Barb 
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice

[ghandman]

Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by
sending this out, I'm afraid to say.  Wish you had done a bit of
investigation and thinking before hitting the send key.

Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure
performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms
(which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright
law)

If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions
higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video
market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home
and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon
and other mass marketers)

gary handman



> Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for
> public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for
> community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom
> instruction, of course that's no problem.
> Roy Germano
>
>
> On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>
>> Dear Film Distributor
>>
>> The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution
>> source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law.
>> Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we
>> make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are
>> available.
>>
>> If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for
>> institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the
>> same
>> time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no
>> contract
>> or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon
>> (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices
>> restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made
>> were legal and in good faith.
>>
>> I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above
>> contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent
>> film and video distributors.
>>
>> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

 Dear Librarian,

 I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder
 of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF
 IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE
 OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use
 only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you
 must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in
 college/university libraries* (retail price: $250).

 DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
 website --
 http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
 

 On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of
 the website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities
 ". Please click
 that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.

 We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please
 feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions,
 believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make
 your purchase with our distributor by phone or email.

 Sincerely,
 Roy Germano, Ph.D.
 Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC

 *Follow the film on TWITTER
  & FACEBOOK
 *
 *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com
 

 
 Unsubscribe / Change Profile
 
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>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Steven Black
>>> Head, Acquisitions Division
>>> The Bancroft Library
>>> University of California
>>> Berkeley, CA   94720-6000
>>> 510-642-1320 t
>>> 510-643-2548 f
>>> sbl...@library.berkeley.edu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Jessica Rosner]

Um I am confused. Did all of you get a note from owner?

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM,  wrote:

> Hey deg
>
> Here's what I wrote back to this guy (with a copy to UC legal
> counsel)...I'm pissed off!
>
> Dear Film Distributor
>
> The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution
> source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law.
> Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we
> make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are
> available.
>
> If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for
> institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same
> time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract
> or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon
> (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices
> restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made
> were legal and in good faith.
>
> I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above
> contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent
> film and video distributors.
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.
>
>
>
> > Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my
> > internal response to the Collection Development office for use in
> replying
> > to the original message.  (Snipped to remove some elements that are
> > institutionally specific)
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion.
> >
> > I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com,
> > where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50
> >
> > If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of
> > first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy.
> >
> > Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing
> public
> > performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes.
> >
> > See:  http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110
> >
> > When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place
> a
> > requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price.  Were the
> > distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home
> > video copy and insist that we pay $250.  But as we (I assume) purchased
> > through Amazon, they cannot make that claim.
> >
> > -deg
> >
> > --
> > deg farrelly, Full Librarian
> > Mail Code 1006
> > Arizona State University
> > P.O. Box 871006
> > Tempe, AZ 85287
> > Phone:  480.965.1403
> > Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM
> >
> >>
> >> I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of
> >> a
> >> film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION.
> >> According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION
> >> that
> >> you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price:
> >> $20).
> >> To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has
> >> been
> >> licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250).
> >>
> >> DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
> >> website
> >> --
> >> http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
> >>
> >> On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of
> >> the
> >> website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities". Please
> >> click
> >> that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
> >>
> >> We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel
> >> free
> >> to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe
> >> our
> >> records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase
> >> with
> >> our distributor by phone or email.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Roy Germano, Ph.D.
> >> Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC
> >
> >
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> of
> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> > producers and distributors.
> >
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
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Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Jessica Rosner]

You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you decide to sell a film retail
on Amazon you can't insist on an institution paying a higher price for
standard face to face use.
You can do that if you are exclusive seller of the film and make it clear at
the point of purchase like the standard ( I have read and agree to these
conditions) you get so many places. That is contract law trumping copyright
but again if you sell through other vendors it is virtually impossible to do
that.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Deg Farrelly  wrote:

> Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my
> internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying
> to the original message.  (Snipped to remove some elements that are
> institutionally specific)
>
>
> 
>
> That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion.
>
> I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com,
> where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50
>
> If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of
> first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy.
>
> Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public
> performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes.
>
> See:  http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110
>
> When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a
> requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price.  Were the
> distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home
> video copy and insist that we pay $250.  But as we (I assume) purchased
> through Amazon, they cannot make that claim.
>
> -deg
>
> --
> deg farrelly, Full Librarian
> Mail Code 1006
> Arizona State University
> P.O. Box 871006
> Tempe, AZ 85287
> Phone:  480.965.1403
> Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu
>
>
> > -Original Message-
>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM
>
> >
> > I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of
> a
> > film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION.
> > According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION
> that
> > you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price:
> $20).
> > To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been
> > licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250).
> >
> > DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
> website
> > --
> > http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
> >
> > On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the
> > website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities". Please
> click
> > that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
> >
> > We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel
> free
> > to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe
> our
> > records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase
> with
> > our distributor by phone or email.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Roy Germano, Ph.D.
> > Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
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Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[ghandman]

Hey deg

Here's what I wrote back to this guy (with a copy to UC legal
counsel)...I'm pissed off!

Dear Film Distributor

The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution
source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law.
Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we
make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are
available.

If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for
institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same
time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract
or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon
(other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices
restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made
were legal and in good faith.

I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above
contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent
film and video distributors.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions.



> Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my
> internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying
> to the original message.  (Snipped to remove some elements that are
> institutionally specific)
>
>
> 
>
> That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion.
>
> I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com,
> where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50
>
> If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of
> first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy.
>
> Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public
> performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes.
>
> See:  http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110
>
> When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a
> requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price.  Were the
> distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home
> video copy and insist that we pay $250.  But as we (I assume) purchased
> through Amazon, they cannot make that claim.
>
> -deg
>
> --
> deg farrelly, Full Librarian
> Mail Code 1006
> Arizona State University
> P.O. Box 871006
> Tempe, AZ 85287
> Phone:  480.965.1403
> Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM
>
>>
>> I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of
>> a
>> film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION.
>> According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION
>> that
>> you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price:
>> $20).
>> To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has
>> been
>> licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250).
>>
>> DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our
>> website
>> --
>> http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
>>
>> On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of
>> the
>> website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities". Please
>> click
>> that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
>>
>> We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel
>> free
>> to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe
>> our
>> records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase
>> with
>> our distributor by phone or email.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Roy Germano, Ph.D.
>> Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First Notice

[Bergman, Barbara J]

Anybody else receive this?
Apparently someone hasn’t read section 110 of the copyright code.

I checked our records – we purchased through Midwest Tape, so wasn’t exactly a 
shady deal…


Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

From: Roy Germano Films LLC [mailto:r...@roygermano.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:10 PM
To: Bergman, Barbara J
Subject: Licensing issue - First Notice

Dear Librarian,

I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film 
you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to 
our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on 
your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this 
film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in 
college/university libraries (retail price: $250).

DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website --
http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com

On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the 
website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for 
Colleges/Universities". 
Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.

We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to 
contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are 
incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor 
by phone or email.

Sincerely,
Roy Germano, Ph.D.
Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC






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[Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video

[Deg Farrelly]

Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my 
internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying to 
the original message.  (Snipped to remove some elements that are 
institutionally specific)




That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion.

I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com, where it 
is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50

If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of first 
sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy.

Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public 
performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes.

See:  http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110

When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a 
requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price.  Were the 
distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home video 
copy and insist that we pay $250.  But as we (I assume) purchased through 
Amazon, they cannot make that claim.

-deg

--
deg farrelly, Full Librarian
Mail Code 1006
Arizona State University
P.O. Box 871006
Tempe, AZ 85287
Phone:  480.965.1403
Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu


> -Original Message-

> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM

>
> I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a
> film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION.
> According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that
> you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20).
> To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been
> licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250).
>
> DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website
> --
> http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com
>
> On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the
> website to purchase "DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities". Please click
> that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase.
>
> We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free
> to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe our
> records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with
> our distributor by phone or email.
>
> Sincerely,
> Roy Germano, Ph.D.
> Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC


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Re: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of the Fireflies

[Milewski, Steven]

Fantastic Planet might be at Facets

Steven Milewski
Digital Media Technologies Librarian
Hodges Library
Integrated User Services
865 - 974 - 2647
smile...@utk.edu
-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Miller
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:13 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of the Fireflies

Hello,

Does anyone have an idea of who distributes Fantastic Planet (Laloux, 
1973) and Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988)?
Thanks for any help.
Joan Miller

Joan Miller
Head Archivist
Wesleyan Cinema Archives
301 Washington Terrace
Middletown, CT  06457
Phone: (860) 685-3395
FAX: (860) 685-3905 


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distributors.



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Re: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of theFireflies

[Markus, Tim]

Our copy of Fireflies shows A.D.V. Films as the US Distributor.

Hope this helps a little.

Tim Markus
Head of Cataloging
The Evergreen State College
Olympia, WA 98505
mark...@evergreen.edu

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Miller
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:13 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of
theFireflies

Hello,

Does anyone have an idea of who distributes Fantastic Planet (Laloux, 
1973) and Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988)?
Thanks for any help.
Joan Miller

Joan Miller
Head Archivist
Wesleyan Cinema Archives
301 Washington Terrace
Middletown, CT  06457
Phone: (860) 685-3395
FAX: (860) 685-3905 


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libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
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of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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[Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of the Fireflies

[Joan Miller]

Hello,

Does anyone have an idea of who distributes Fantastic Planet (Laloux, 
1973) and Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988)?
Thanks for any help.
Joan Miller

Joan Miller
Head Archivist
Wesleyan Cinema Archives
301 Washington Terrace
Middletown, CT  06457
Phone: (860) 685-3395
FAX: (860) 685-3905 


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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distributors.