[Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
Hello all, For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) I'm interested in some current information on: if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be placed under a password for course reserves. even a 'yes' or 'no' will be much appreciated, thank you, Jane -- Jane Sloan Media Librarian 732-932-9783 x37 Rutgers University Libraries */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
Um when you own the streaming rights to the material. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan wrote: > Hello all, > > For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) > I'm interested in some current information on: > > if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be > placed under a password for course reserves. > > even a 'yes' or 'no' > will be much appreciated, > > thank you, > Jane > -- > > Jane Sloan > > Media Librarian > > 732-932-9783 x37 > > Rutgers University Libraries > > */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
Hi Jane Do you mean doing this without a license. Hope you've been following the recent UCLA controversy. We stream lots of media for course reserves here, but all of the stuff we deliver has been licensed. I would sincerely recommend holding off streaming unlicensed materials under copyright until the UCLA issues are resolved. Gary Handman > Hello all, > > For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) > I'm interested in some current information on: > > if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be > placed under a password for course reserves. > > even a 'yes' or 'no' > will be much appreciated, > > thank you, > Jane > -- > > Jane Sloan > > Media Librarian > > 732-932-9783 x37 > > Rutgers University Libraries > > */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
Also take a look at TEACH requirements. Depending on the use, TEACH may apply. Here is a tool that's been developed to help determine if your use meets TEACH requirements. Be sure to also read all the notes associated with the various questions, as they are pertinent. TEACH is pretty complicated, so the tool also must be to a degree. However, I think it makes it easier to determine if your use fits this section of copyright law. http://www.librarycopyright.net/etool/ mb Michael Brewer Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Library brew...@u.library.arizona.edu<mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:50 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves Um when you own the streaming rights to the material. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan mailto:jsl...@rci.rutgers.edu>> wrote: Hello all, For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) I'm interested in some current information on: if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be placed under a password for course reserves. even a 'yes' or 'no' will be much appreciated, thank you, Jane -- Jane Sloan Media Librarian 732-932-9783 x37 Rutgers University Libraries */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
We are doing streams for classes at UConn. Access is via our courseware system and password protected. We are purchasing the streaming rights for material that is used for multiple classes and/or in multiple semesters, or that is used for distance learning, or by classes at our regional campuses where the students are not resident. We are not purchasing packages, only stuff we know is going to be used. It's too expensive to buy streams unless we know they will be used. Jo Ann Jo Ann Reynolds Reserve Services Coordinator University of Connecticut Homer Babbidge Library Storrs, CT 860-486-1406 jo_ann.reyno...@uconn.edu Question Reality -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jane Sloan Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:37 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves Hello all, For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) I'm interested in some current information on: if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be placed under a password for course reserves. even a 'yes' or 'no' will be much appreciated, thank you, Jane -- Jane Sloan Media Librarian 732-932-9783 x37 Rutgers University Libraries */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, it's not going to happen here. Val On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan wrote: > Hello all, > > For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) > I'm interested in some current information on: > > if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be > placed under a password for course reserves. > > even a 'yes' or 'no' > will be much appreciated, > > thank you, > Jane > -- > > Jane Sloan > > Media Librarian > > 732-932-9783 x37 > > Rutgers University Libraries > > */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > -- Valerie Gangwer Media Services Director Mary Baldwin College a...@graftonlibrary #7267 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably secure". In addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a class that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this is a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them involved. You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this to the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top of the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't let people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to a much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, and remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived prohibitions, if your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what they are for. Best, Chuck On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: > Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, > it's not going to happen here. > Val > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) >> I'm interested in some current information on: >> >> if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be >> placed under a password for course reserves. >> >> even a 'yes' or 'no' >> will be much appreciated, >> >> thank you, >> Jane >> -- >> >> Jane Sloan >> >> Media Librarian >> >> 732-932-9783 x37 >> >> Rutgers University Libraries >> >> */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> > > > > -- > Valerie Gangwer > Media Services Director > Mary Baldwin College > > a...@graftonlibrary > #7267 > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > -- Chuck McCann Strozier Library Scholars Common 850-644-5924 http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/multimedia http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/profile.php?uid=12569 http://www.youtube.com/user/fsulibraries VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
Chuck, Do you think UCLA lawyers are idiots and just pulled their streaming for fun? You want to encourage another school to have to pay legal fees while this is still ongoing? Remember Federal Law trumps professors who think they have a right to digitize and stream copyrighted material. Between Georgia State and UCLA backing off , not from threats by big studio or corpoorations, but from independent booksellers and distributors whose work was being stolen, you would think that you might not encourage another institution to try this. Is it your position that you can digitize entire books and films for streaming for classes? Inquiring minds want to know. If you do believe this than I assume you that all schools that do this will be upfront and announce their policy openly instead of trying to hide it. Jessica On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCann wrote: > The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course > management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this > endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably secure". In > addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a class > that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus > partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty > members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this is > a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. > Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them involved. > You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this to > the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top of > the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't let > people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to a > much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, and > remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived prohibitions, if > your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what they > are for. > > Best, > Chuck > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: > >> Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, >> it's not going to happen here. >> Val >> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) >>> I'm interested in some current information on: >>> >>> if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be >>> placed under a password for course reserves. >>> >>> even a 'yes' or 'no' >>> will be much appreciated, >>> >>> thank you, >>> Jane >>> -- >>> >>> Jane Sloan >>> >>> Media Librarian >>> >>> 732-932-9783 x37 >>> >>> Rutgers University Libraries >>> >>> */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* >>> >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Valerie Gangwer >> Media Services Director >> Mary Baldwin College >> >> a...@graftonlibrary >> #7267 >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> > > > -- > Chuck McCann > Strozier Library Scholars Common > 850-644-5924 > http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/multimedia > http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/profile.php?uid=12569 > http://www.youtube.com/user/fsulibraries > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librari
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video for reserves
Jessica, thank you but no thank you. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: > Chuck, > Do you think UCLA lawyers are idiots and just pulled their streaming for > fun? You want to encourage another school to have to pay legal fees while > this is still ongoing? Remember Federal Law trumps professors who think > they have a right to digitize and stream copyrighted material. Between > Georgia State and UCLA backing off , not from threats by big studio or > corpoorations, but from independent booksellers and distributors whose work > was being stolen, you would think that you might not encourage > another institution to try this. > > Is it your position that you can digitize entire books and films for > streaming for classes? Inquiring minds want to know. If you do believe this > than I assume you that all schools that do this will be upfront and announce > their policy openly instead of trying to hide it. > > Jessica > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCann wrote: > >> The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course >> management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this >> endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably secure". In >> addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a class >> that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus >> partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty >> members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this is >> a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. >> Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them involved. >> You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this to >> the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top of >> the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't let >> people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to a >> much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, and >> remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived prohibitions, if >> your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what they >> are for. >> >> Best, >> Chuck >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: >> >>> Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, >>> it's not going to happen here. >>> Val >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan wrote: >>> Hello all, For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) I'm interested in some current information on: if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be placed under a password for course reserves. even a 'yes' or 'no' will be much appreciated, thank you, Jane -- Jane Sloan Media Librarian 732-932-9783 x37 Rutgers University Libraries */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Valerie Gangwer >>> Media Services Director >>> Mary Baldwin College >>> >>> a...@graftonlibrary >>> #7267 >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chuck McCann >> Strozier Library Scholars Common >> 850-644-5924 >> http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/multimedia >> http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/profile.php?uid=12569 >> http://www.youtube.com/user/fsulibraries >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selec
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Letting the "higher ups" make the decisions alone is never a good idea, Chuck. Media folk need to take the lead and manifest strong leadership in these issues because, frankly, administrators and faculty generally know squat about the issues, community common practice, legislation, and almost everything else required to make informed decisions. It's very clear that the issue of digitizing and/or streaming materials under copyright without license (even for delivery withing the confines of a "reasonably secure" platform) is being hotly contested, even as we speak... I would strongly advise Jane and others to wait and watch how the UCLA case shakes down. UC legal counsel has advised UCLA to desist from its practices until the matter is further considered. I don't see any universities or any national organizations "pushing back" at this point... And here's my opinion (and its ONLY ONLY ONLY)quasi-informed opinion: I cannot see any way that it can be argued that digitizing and streaming a whole copyrighted work (even within the confines of an authenticated platform) could possibly fall under the umbrella of either fair use or TEACH, particularly in cases where the title(s) in question are currently being licensed for digital delivery by a distributor or vendor. Pat Aufderheide (one of my heroes)has argued that there's a radical difference between business models and copyright issues (see http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/02/04/copyrightredux). I'm not sure I agree (but then again, I'm certainly no lawyer...than god) It seems to me that if one of the principle tests of fair use is impact on the market, the practices of UCLA and other institutions would simply not stand up in court. We'll see what shakes down the road... gary > The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course > management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this > endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably secure". > In > addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a > class > that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus > partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty > members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this > is > a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. > Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them involved. > You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this to > the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top of > the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't let > people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to a > much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, > and > remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived prohibitions, > if > your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what they > are for. > > Best, > Chuck > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: > >> Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, >> it's not going to happen here. >> Val >> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan >> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) >>> I'm interested in some current information on: >>> >>> if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be >>> placed under a password for course reserves. >>> >>> even a 'yes' or 'no' >>> will be much appreciated, >>> >>> thank you, >>> Jane >>> -- >>> >>> Jane Sloan >>> >>> Media Librarian >>> >>> 732-932-9783 x37 >>> >>> Rutgers University Libraries >>> >>> */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* >>> >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >>> serve as >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Valerie Gangwer >> Media Services Director >> Mary Baldwin College >> >> a...@graftonlibrary >> #7267 >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries >> and >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an >> effective >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. >> >> > > > -- > Chuck McCann > Strozier Library Scholars Common > 850-644-5924 > http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/mul
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Does that mean you advice people to do something that is illegal so they should do it in such a way as not to get caught? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Chuck McCann wrote: > Jessica, thank you but no thank you. > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: > >> Chuck, >> Do you think UCLA lawyers are idiots and just pulled their streaming for >> fun? You want to encourage another school to have to pay legal fees while >> this is still ongoing? Remember Federal Law trumps professors who think >> they have a right to digitize and stream copyrighted material. Between >> Georgia State and UCLA backing off , not from threats by big studio or >> corpoorations, but from independent booksellers and distributors whose work >> was being stolen, you would think that you might not encourage >> another institution to try this. >> >> Is it your position that you can digitize entire books and films for >> streaming for classes? Inquiring minds want to know. If you do believe this >> than I assume you that all schools that do this will be upfront and announce >> their policy openly instead of trying to hide it. >> >> Jessica >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCann wrote: >> >>> The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course >>> management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this >>> endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably secure". In >>> addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a class >>> that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus >>> partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty >>> members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this is >>> a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. >>> Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them involved. >>> You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this to >>> the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top of >>> the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't let >>> people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to a >>> much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, and >>> remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived prohibitions, if >>> your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what they >>> are for. >>> >>> Best, >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: >>> Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, it's not going to happen here. Val On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan wrote: > Hello all, > > For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) > I'm interested in some current information on: > > if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be > placed under a password for course reserves. > > even a 'yes' or 'no' > will be much appreciated, > > thank you, > Jane > -- > > Jane Sloan > > Media Librarian > > 732-932-9783 x37 > > Rutgers University Libraries > > */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > -- Valerie Gangwer Media Services Director Mary Baldwin College a...@graftonlibrary #7267 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck McCann >>> Strozier Library Scholars Common >>> 850-644-5924 >>> http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/multimedia >>> http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/profile.php?uid=12569 >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/fsulibraries >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped th
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I'm pretty much in agreement with Gary on the unlicensed streaming of complete works. I think it's rash to scare off people from using the TEACH Act under any circumstances. If the guidelines are followed and only portions are used, I think it's a usable tool for works with no option for licensing. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:34 AM, wrote: > Letting the "higher ups" make the decisions alone is never a good idea, > Chuck. Media folk need to take the lead and manifest strong leadership in > these issues because, frankly, administrators and faculty generally know > squat about the issues, community common practice, legislation, and almost > everything else required to make informed decisions. > > It's very clear that the issue of digitizing and/or streaming materials > under copyright without license (even for delivery withing the confines of > a "reasonably secure" platform) is being hotly contested, even as we > speak... I would strongly advise Jane and others to wait and watch how > the UCLA case shakes down. UC legal counsel has advised UCLA to desist > from its practices until the matter is further considered. I don't see any > universities or any national organizations "pushing back" at this point... > > And here's my opinion (and its ONLY ONLY ONLY)quasi-informed opinion: I > cannot see any way that it can be argued that digitizing and streaming a > whole copyrighted work (even within the confines of an authenticated > platform) could possibly fall under the umbrella of either fair use or > TEACH, particularly in cases where the title(s) in question are currently > being licensed for digital delivery by a distributor or vendor. Pat > Aufderheide (one of my heroes)has argued that there's a radical difference > between business models and copyright issues (see > http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/02/04/copyrightredux). I'm not > sure I agree (but then again, I'm certainly no lawyer...than god) It seems > to me that if one of the principle tests of fair use is impact on the > market, the practices of UCLA and other institutions would simply not > stand up in court. > > We'll see what shakes down the road... > > > gary > > >> The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course >> management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this >> endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably secure". >> In >> addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a >> class >> that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus >> partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty >> members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this >> is >> a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. >> Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them involved. >> You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this to >> the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top of >> the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't let >> people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to a >> much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, >> and >> remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived prohibitions, >> if >> your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what they >> are for. >> >> Best, >> Chuck >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: >> >>> Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, >>> it's not going to happen here. >>> Val >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan >>> wrote: >>> Hello all, For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) I'm interested in some current information on: if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be placed under a password for course reserves. even a 'yes' or 'no' will be much appreciated, thank you, Jane -- Jane Sloan Media Librarian 732-932-9783 x37 Rutgers University Libraries */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Valerie Gangwer >>> Media Services Director >>> Mary Baldwin College >>> >>> a...@graftonlibrary >>> #7267 >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues >>> relating to the sele
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Sorry Chris I did not mean I do not want to appear to be trashing the TEACH act, and I have no problem with clips/ portions being used. I just did not think that was what Chuck was referring to. Jessica On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Chris Lewis wrote: > I'm pretty much in agreement with Gary on the unlicensed streaming of > complete works. I think it's rash to scare off people from using the > TEACH Act under any circumstances. If the guidelines are followed and > only portions are used, I think it's a usable tool for works with no > option for licensing. > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:34 AM, wrote: > > Letting the "higher ups" make the decisions alone is never a good idea, > > Chuck. Media folk need to take the lead and manifest strong leadership > in > > these issues because, frankly, administrators and faculty generally know > > squat about the issues, community common practice, legislation, and > almost > > everything else required to make informed decisions. > > > > It's very clear that the issue of digitizing and/or streaming materials > > under copyright without license (even for delivery withing the confines > of > > a "reasonably secure" platform) is being hotly contested, even as we > > speak... I would strongly advise Jane and others to wait and watch how > > the UCLA case shakes down. UC legal counsel has advised UCLA to desist > > from its practices until the matter is further considered. I don't see > any > > universities or any national organizations "pushing back" at this > point... > > > > And here's my opinion (and its ONLY ONLY ONLY)quasi-informed opinion: I > > cannot see any way that it can be argued that digitizing and streaming a > > whole copyrighted work (even within the confines of an authenticated > > platform) could possibly fall under the umbrella of either fair use or > > TEACH, particularly in cases where the title(s) in question are currently > > being licensed for digital delivery by a distributor or vendor. Pat > > Aufderheide (one of my heroes)has argued that there's a radical > difference > > between business models and copyright issues (see > > http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/02/04/copyrightredux). I'm not > > sure I agree (but then again, I'm certainly no lawyer...than god) It > seems > > to me that if one of the principle tests of fair use is impact on the > > market, the practices of UCLA and other institutions would simply not > > stand up in court. > > > > We'll see what shakes down the road... > > > > > > gary > > > > > >> The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course > >> management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this > >> endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably > secure". > >> In > >> addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a > >> class > >> that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus > >> partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty > >> members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this > >> is > >> a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. > >> Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them > involved. > >> You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this > to > >> the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top > of > >> the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't > let > >> people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to > a > >> much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, > >> and > >> remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived > prohibitions, > >> if > >> your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what > they > >> are for. > >> > >> Best, > >> Chuck > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: > >> > >>> Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, > >>> it's not going to happen here. > >>> Val > >>> > >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan > >>> wrote: > >>> > Hello all, > > For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) > I'm interested in some current information on: > > if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be > placed under a password for course reserves. > > even a 'yes' or 'no' > will be much appreciated, > > thank you, > Jane > -- > > Jane Sloan > > Media Librarian > > 732-932-9783 x37 > > Rutgers University Libraries > > */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats > in > libraries and
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At the risk of extending this firestorm further, I did not read anything at all in Chuck's response that suggested advising anyone to do anything illegal. It is indeed up to the organization's management to decide for the organization what risks they are willing to take. It is our responsibility to inform and educate, and to make our position known. But in a democratic society isn't it also our responsibility to stand up and be counted when we think something is wrong? That's what our kids did (if even inadvertently and perhaps misguidedly, if that's a word...) to get the music industry to change. And blame the professors? OK, sometimes, but come on - how is it their job to keep up with this mess, when even we who focus on it are often confused!? They are trying to reach their students in relevant ways. Professors with whom I discuss this issue - universally - don't like it, but they hear it and understand what I say whether they agree or not. Put it in the context of that book they published and they are even more understanding. Allowing films to be shown in their entirety in a face-to-face classroom, but not to students in the same class via a closed password-protected network when registered is just not right. Economically motivated, business oriented, protective of revenue streams, but not right. Those students - some of whom paid MORE for online access - are entitled to the exact same education that those who sit in the classroom are entitled to. Two more cents...jen Jennifer Foster Media Librarian The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195 fost...@uhv.edu http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Thank you, I've learned a thing or two from this dialogue. :) Best, Chuck On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:34 AM, wrote: > Letting the "higher ups" make the decisions alone is never a good idea, > Chuck. Media folk need to take the lead and manifest strong leadership in > these issues because, frankly, administrators and faculty generally know > squat about the issues, community common practice, legislation, and almost > everything else required to make informed decisions. > > It's very clear that the issue of digitizing and/or streaming materials > under copyright without license (even for delivery withing the confines of > a "reasonably secure" platform) is being hotly contested, even as we > speak... I would strongly advise Jane and others to wait and watch how > the UCLA case shakes down. UC legal counsel has advised UCLA to desist > from its practices until the matter is further considered. I don't see any > universities or any national organizations "pushing back" at this point... > > And here's my opinion (and its ONLY ONLY ONLY)quasi-informed opinion: I > cannot see any way that it can be argued that digitizing and streaming a > whole copyrighted work (even within the confines of an authenticated > platform) could possibly fall under the umbrella of either fair use or > TEACH, particularly in cases where the title(s) in question are currently > being licensed for digital delivery by a distributor or vendor. Pat > Aufderheide (one of my heroes)has argued that there's a radical difference > between business models and copyright issues (see > http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/02/04/copyrightredux). I'm not > sure I agree (but then again, I'm certainly no lawyer...than god) It seems > to me that if one of the principle tests of fair use is impact on the > market, the practices of UCLA and other institutions would simply not > stand up in court. > > We'll see what shakes down the road... > > > gary > > > > The answer is, "possibly". Jane, explore the option of using course > > management software like BlackBoard, for example, to facilitate this > > endeavor. This will provide a closed network that is "reasonably secure". > > In > > addition it is by default only accessible to students on record for a > > class > > that has materials on video course reserves. Next, start building campus > > partnerships, convince teaching departments, particularly the faculty > > members that actually have materials on video course reserves, that this > > is > > a great and matter of fact essential service for scholarship. > > Simultaneously, talk to your library administration and get them > involved. > > You'll need their support because only they have the voice to push this > to > > the University President's Office. Let the decision be made at the top of > > the ladder, but prepare and build your case from the bottom up. Don't let > > people scare you away from this, all you are doing is bring attention to > a > > much needed service, again let those higher up make the final decision, > > and > > remember federal law trumps a distributors/artist contrived prohibitions, > > if > > your University has the legal muscle to push back, then this is what they > > are for. > > > > Best, > > Chuck > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Val Gangwer wrote: > > > >> Umm...no. Until the legal field is cleared, and we have more bandwidth, > >> it's not going to happen here. > >> Val > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jane Sloan > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello all, > >>> > >>> For those of you who have a couple spare minutes (!) > >>> I'm interested in some current information on: > >>> > >>> if/under what conditions you are creating streaming video files to be > >>> placed under a password for course reserves. > >>> > >>> even a 'yes' or 'no' > >>> will be much appreciated, > >>> > >>> thank you, > >>> Jane > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Jane Sloan > >>> > >>> Media Librarian > >>> > >>> 732-932-9783 x37 > >>> > >>> Rutgers University Libraries > >>> > >>> */Please consider the environment before printing this email/* > >>> > >>> > >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will > >>> serve as > >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > >>> producers and distributors. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Valerie Gangwer > >> Media Services Director > >> Mary Baldwin College > >> > >> a...@graftonlibrary > >> #7267 > >> > >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >> issues > >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > >> control, > >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries > >>
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There is a BIG difference between a film being shown IN a class with the professor ( Face to Face), and being put up on line for students to watch whenever and how often they want. UCLA and Georgia State were not doing this to help OFF campus students who could not go to class, they were doing it because either the professor did not want to use the class time for the film, wanted the students to watch it again or wanted to add extra films to the class. No one was being deprived. The law allows a film to be used in class or put on reserve but it does not allow them to be available at anytime , any place, even for a student enrolled in a class. If you are talking about OFF campus students who don't have access to the class screenings. are being charged for online access? Why does University get all that money for that but owners of the material used in class get nothing? Only the University gets to charge for putting material online? It is both legal and logical for rights holder to want more for vastly expanding the use of their film. I point out again that it was not big studios or entertainment companies that sued UCLA & Georgia State and got them to STOP doing this, it was small independent companies whose existence was a stake. Do you hold the same position that you can scan a entire book for students in a class to watch so they don't have to buy a copy? Legally it is identical, but I don't see a big push to save students the cost of buying a copy of Franny & Zoe by just posting it online? As for blaming the professors. It is true they can't do much on their own, but I have found them to be most eager bunch to violate copyright to get what they want. Too many think nothing of using a dub copy, or something they downloaded off the internet. Jessica ( who definitely needs to go out to lunch) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Foster, Jennifer wrote: > At the risk of extending this firestorm further, I did not read anything > at all in Chuck’s response that suggested advising anyone to do anything > illegal. It is indeed up to the organization’s management to decide for the > organization what risks they are willing to take. It is our responsibility > to inform and educate, and to make our position known. But in a democratic > society isn’t it also our responsibility to stand up and be counted when we > think something is wrong? That’s what our kids did (if even inadvertently > and perhaps misguidedly, if that’s a word…) to get the music industry to > change. > > > > And blame the professors? OK, sometimes, but come on – how is it their job > to keep up with this mess, when even we who focus on it are often confused!? > They are trying to reach their students in relevant ways. Professors with > whom I discuss this issue – universally – don’t like it, but they hear it > and understand what I say whether they agree or not. Put it in the context > of that book they published and they are even more understanding. > > > > Allowing films to be shown in their entirety in a face-to-face classroom, > but not to students in the same class via a closed password-protected > network when registered is just not right. Economically motivated, business > oriented, protective of revenue streams, but not right. Those students – > some of whom paid MORE for online access - are entitled to the exact same > education that those who sit in the classroom are entitled to. > > > > Two more cents…jen > > > > Jennifer Foster > > Media Librarian > > The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library > > 361.570.4195 > > fost...@uhv.edu > > http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu > > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
