[VIHUELA] Re: Sanseverino
Brilliant, as ever. I did not intend to send you a note asking for your interest in the site. I sent a note out saying that to prevent spammers joing us from now on all new members must be approved by me, and therefore I ask THEM to provide me with some info. Sorry if there was confusion! Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: A new-to-me vihuela
Very good, Eugene. I buy a mandolin, and you buy a vihuela. The world keeps turning... Enjoy it - an amazing repertoire. Rob 2009/10/1 Eugene C. Braig IV [1]brai...@osu.edu Greetings fellow punteadophiliacs: Nothing to tickle your scholarly mental muscles, but I'm a bit excited so thought I'd share. After years of inaudible unplayability, my quirky speculative vihuela has returned to me, artfully brought to functionality by Ohio luthier and Dartmouth list lurker Mr. Chadwick Neal. Nothing is left of the original but the maple of the shell and ebony of the fingerboard. The new soundboard is a North American hybrid, Lutz spruce, and I am really quite pleased with the sound and look. Chad has a bit of a write up here: [1][2]http://www.neallutes.com/ I'm happy to receive commentary: good, bad, and indifferent. Cheers, Eugene -- References 1. [3]http://www.neallutes.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 2. http://www.neallutes.com/ 3. http://www.neallutes.com/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini
Your page seems to be working now. 'Jane' got removed some time ago. She comes back in various guises but I have managed to remove her each time. She also visits other ning groups. All seems OK for the present. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Baroque Guitar
For Sale Baroque Guitar by Alexander Batov. Flat back, 67cms string length. Aquila gut strings, nylgut set in Kingham professional case. Used on recordings and videos by Rob MacKillop. MP3 files on [1]www.SongOfTheRose.co.uk and YouTube videos at [2]http://www.youtube.com/user/BalcarresGuy The instrument is of the highest quality, in perfect condition, and is set up beautifully for playing. One of the finest baroque guitars a true players instrument. -L-2,900 including case. Shipping extra. Contact: Rob MacKillop, 0131 343 2195 [International +44 131 343 2195] or [3]luteplay...@googlemail.com -- References 1. http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/ 2. http://www.youtube.com/user/BalcarresGuy 3. mailto:luteplay...@googlemail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: dedilo
Clearly it came down to personal preference, with some players liking it, some not - and the same is true today. Ralph makes a good case for it. I, on the other hand, would make a bad case for it - I just can't get it to sound appropriate. Thankfully it is not essential, and players today are free to use it or reject it. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: study vihuela page
Very useful, David, and sensible. I like the way you show the voice movement in the tab part - bar 30, for instance, now makes much more sense. Any chance of a sound file? I'll provide a link from my vihuela site. Rob 2009/6/1 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com Rob, and others I've recycled and uploaded a lesson in polyphony, using a duo by Fuenllana. Have a look at [2]http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/polyphony_f.html Or go to [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl and browse the page with writings. enjoy David -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/polyphony_f.html 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] RE: [VIHUELA] Péñola, early references
Spitting image: ...at eleven o'clock in the night, Don Quixote found a vihuela in his room, he tuned it, opened the grill and heard some people moving about in the garden, and having run through the frets of the vihuela and tuned it as best he knew, he spat, cleared his throat, and then, with a slightly coarse but well tuned voice, he sang the following Romance that he himself had written that day Cervantes, 1615. Rob 2009/5/24 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Nelson, Jocelyn [2]nels...@ecu.edu wrote: I'm working up to Don Quixote. I read it a few years ago, in English, and it was so much fun! Just many, many pages. A few references to music, not much. David - reading Proust now. Even more pages ... -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Valderrabano sonetos
And now I've added an mp3 of the Francesco da Milano original (Ness 15) which Valderabbano used as the basis for his Soneto primero grado 92a [1]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm Makes for an interesting comparison. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Péñola, early referenc es
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[VIHUELA] Valderrabano sonetos
I've uploaded four of Valderrabano's 'primero grado' sonetos: [1]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm really excellent fantasias and nowhere near as difficult as those by Fuenllana, Narvaez, Mudarra, etc. Rob -- References 1. http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Valderrabano sonetos
You have the score upside down, Stuart... ;-) Rob 2009/5/23 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Rob MacKillop wrote: I've uploaded four of Valderrabano's 'primero grado' sonetos: [1][2]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm really excellent fantasias and nowhere near as difficult as those by Fuenllana, Narvaez, Mudarra, etc. Rob -- I've been trying to play them on a lute. Trickier than they look, I think. Stuart References 1. [3]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [5]www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2130 - Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm 3. http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.avg.com/
[VIHUELA] Re: Valderrabano sonetos
Now, where did I read that before? As soon as you mentioned it, John, I remembered it from somewhere deep in the windswept vaults. Does anyone know which ones? I was beginning to get turned on to Valderrabano - his songs are wonderful - but now find out he is a plagiarist! Rob 2009/5/23 John Griffiths [1]jag...@unimelb.edu.au Hi Rob: some of these sonetos are actually fantasias by Francesco da Milano! John -- References 1. mailto:jag...@unimelb.edu.au To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Valderrabano sonetos
2009/5/23 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com I think it should be several notches faster...and so, quite a tricky piece. Just my opinion, of course, and open to debate on the matter! You are playing it at quite a lick already, Stuart. I'm not sure if the ability to play several notches faster would make you any happier about the piece. You are quite an interesting character, if you don't mind me saying so publicly, Stuart, and I mean that in the nicest way. No matter what you are playing, either instrument or repertoire, you never seem happy! Always grumbling about something - strings, composers, instruments, pieces - you make me smile ;-) The Eeyore of the vihuela world...Please realise I'm only gently pulling your leg. There are many here who would gladly play that piece as well as you do, and I only posted it a few hours ago. Relax, and smell the roses...then the piece will flow, whether it was written by Valderrabano or Milano. It is true that a few of the vihule composers tied grade levels in with positions along the fretboard, and that means that 'primero grado' does not mean easy to play, which is why I put the word 'easy' in quotation marks. I like the pieces, and stand by my statement that they are much easier than Fuenllana and many of the other solo pieces in the repertoire. Yes, I use gut strings in unison on the 5th and 6th courses - Aquila 'Venice' - very nice. Rob -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] vihuela de péndola
OK, we know quite a bit about the vihuelas de arco and de mano, but what about the vihuela de pendola - plectrum? There is not much in English online, but I did find one reference to a poem by lArchipretre de Hita (1330): la vyuela de pendola con aquestos y sota Now, 1330 seems early, but possible. The technique seems to have faded out by the late 1400's, and, of course, there is no surviving dedicated repertoire. I am assuming no structural difference over the vihuela de mano or viola da mano, just a different technique - but I might be completely wrong. Maybe it had fewer courses? Maybe not? I imagine it was used in ensemble with harps, lutes, other vihuelas (mano and arco), etc, etc, and with voices. Was it confined to Spain, certain parts of Spain, or was it also used in Spanish dominions in Italy, or elsewhere? Any relation to the medieval citole? Are there any images which clearly show the pendola in use? Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] [VIHUELA] vihuela de péndola
I found the quotation on Google Books: [1]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Hah-dlM2sn0Cpg=PA108lpg=PA108d q=vihuela+de+pendolasource=blots=JcAkxkFIeUsig=wEj8-fm5bSLF1lokbQK0y Cnpauchl=enei=4OwWSuyFF5DQjAep0qiBDQsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultre snum=6 or [2]http://tinyurl.com/o95873 - hopefully one of those links will work. It is from a book called Instruments a cordes du Moyen Age by Fondation Royaumont. I've not seen any more of the poem. I vaguely remember Bermudo mentioning the vihuela de pendola - has anyone got a quotation for us? Someone else mentioned that pendola means feather - so that gives us a good idea of what was used. Rob -- References 1. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Hah-dlM2sn0Cpg=PA108lpg=PA108dq=vihuela+de+pendolasource=blots=JcAkxkFIeUsig=wEj8-fm5bSLF1lokbQK0yCnpauchl=enei=4OwWSuyFF5DQjAep0qiBDQsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=6 2. http://tinyurl.com/o95873 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] [VIHUELA] vihuela de pé ndola
Thanks, Monica. A free translation indeed. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] vihuela de péndola
Thanks, Stuart. I've heard quite a bit of music like that, and enjoy improvising it as well. I'm sure you are right in that similar things were done on the vihuela. I imagine all those examples from Ortiz could be adapted too. I've played vihuela with a viol consort, and although I could be heard, it was a struggle. A plectrum is one of the simplest amplification systems on the market, and worth exploring. There doesn't seem much point doubling what all the viols are doing. Improvising variations to vocal lines would be more enjoyable, although initially daunting, maybe. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] study vihuela page
I don't think we do enough, generally speaking, for the maybe not-so advanced (if I may say that) players among us. I have had quite a few questions over the years from beginners, post-beginners, and those who have hit the brick wall and can't move forward, and maybe we should do more to help. Well, with this in mind I've started a page on the [1]www.vihuela.eu site which sets out to do just that. I've started with a 'duo' (for one instrument) by Fuenllana/Josquin, as, like Bermudo, I believe the articulation of vocal lines is one of the most crucial yet difficult things to achieve well on the vihuela or lute. The page is very much just beginning, so please let me know what you would like to see there. I can't promise I'll be able to do all you ask...Unfortunately, the vihuela I used for the recording needs some attention, and does tend to buzz occasionally...but it's not a CD. Anyway, hot foot it to [2]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm I have the score in French tab, an mp3 performance, plus an mp3 of commentary as I explore the piece, discussing how I approach my interpretation. Doubtless, someone else would play it very differently, and you must find your own way eventually, but hopefully this will help. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.vihuela.eu/ 2. http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Fuenllana-Josquin video
Just in case you are not on the Ning site, here is a link to a fun 'duo' by Fuenllana, or Josquin really. It is intersting how someone could just take two voices from a four-voice texture and make a solo out of them - not something many arrangers do today. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHF6-FLlPw Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHF6-FLlPw To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Narvaez songs
Is there a modern edition of Narvaez's songs? I started to do my own, but I'm finding it difficult reading the words. I am using the CDRom edition which reproduces the red ink for the voice parts, but the words are very difficult to read. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: More Kremberg
Alas, poor me. Could you email me a copy, Rocky? Rob 2009/5/10 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Mjos Larson wrote: Oh, dear! Thanks for the report. It did work when I downloaded it just now. Anyone else having a problem? -- R No problems at all. Lots of new stuff. Thanks. Stuart On May 10, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I couldn't open the file, Rocky. I downloaded it twice. Same problem - a window saying the file was corrupted. Anyone else have this problem? Normally I have no such problems with your pdfs. Rob 2009/5/10 Mjos Larson [1][2]rockype...@earthlink.net I have uploaded an updated edition of Kremberg. It includes some new pieces for guitar, another baroque lute setting, a song, and some viol versions (which could serve as the starting point for lute or archlute arrangements). There are also a few small corrections to previously offered pieces. I apologize for the large file size. The edition can be found at: [2][3]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos -- R To get on or off this list see list information at [3][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[5]rockype...@earthlink.net 2. [6]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos 3. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [8]www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 06:54:00 -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. mailto:rockype...@earthlink.net 3. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:rockype...@earthlink.net 6. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.avg.com/
[VIHUELA] Re: More Kremberg
I couldn't open the file, Rocky. I downloaded it twice. Same problem - a window saying the file was corrupted. Anyone else have this problem? Normally I have no such problems with your pdfs. Rob 2009/5/10 Mjos Larson [1]rockype...@earthlink.net I have uploaded an updated edition of Kremberg. It includes some new pieces for guitar, another baroque lute setting, a song, and some viol versions (which could serve as the starting point for lute or archlute arrangements). There are also a few small corrections to previously offered pieces. I apologize for the large file size. The edition can be found at: [2]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos -- R To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rockype...@earthlink.net 2. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini
French tab as well??!! What is happening to you, Monica? Pandering to the unwashed? Rob 2009/4/25 Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk I am pleased to announce that I have revised my pieces by Foscarini on my [1][2]www.earlyguitar.ning.com site. I have added an introduction and five more pieces. Rocky has very kindly combined the separate PDFs for me so special thanks to Rocky. I may also put them on in French tab a bit later so we can all get playing Foscarini. Cheers Monica -- References 1. [3]http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ 3. http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Playford on Ning
Well done, Monica. Good work, as usual. Maybe Rocky could give you some formatting tips? Rob 2009/3/26 Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk I have just uploaded my edition of 13 pieces by Playford arranged for 5-course guitar in the Princess Anne book to my [1][2]www.earlyguitar.ning.com page. I had a bit of a problem combining the tablature with the introduction in one document without the music being reduced in size. If anyone wants it in larger print I could put the music on separate from the introduction. Hope everyone likes the picture of the young lady too. Monica -- References 1. [3]http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ 3. http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Kremberg pieces as suite
2009/2/18 Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Rob might like to know that in 1702 Kremberg was lute teacher to the children of Lady Griseli Baillie of Mellerstain House in Berwickshire. As was Sainte Colombe the younger... Rob -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: CD recording today
I'm wondering what repertoire you are playing with guitar and viol. Some Matteis? Viol divisions with continuo? No. There are three Scottish viol manuscripts - Blaikie, Guthrie and Leyden - which contain much the same repertoire as their lute counterparts. They are not as professionally laid out as the Balcarres ms, with few variations (if any) and time singals mostly absent. So I transcribed variations and supplied time signals where needed, but mostly what was written is enough. So, imagine the Scottish lute repertoire played in viol - very beautiful. There are a few 'Scots Tunes' in various baroque guitar mss (thanks to Monica and Rocky for bringing them to my attention). Very interesting pieces - but not enough for our programme, so I have supplemented them with my own arrangements for baroque guitar of some of my favourite lute pieces. So much for our solos. The duets are arrangements of songs from Orpheus Caledonius, pub 1725. These are the sort of pieces found in Balcarres, but in song form with a bass line. The baroque guitar was certainly known and played in Scotland, but precious little survives in manuscript form, so this recording is in part an attempt to show the type of repertoire that would have been played on it. I'm really excited about how the recording is developing - certainly the best recording I've done so far. The bad news is that it might not be released for a whole year! I was told today that Alpha generally take as long. Not quite the same as recording an mp3 and having it online within five minutes - but the quality will obviously be much higher. And although I will continue to make mp3s, I must admit that having a beautifully recorded CD is worth the effort. For those who asked: two microphones: DPA 4041 - on one T-shaped stand, about 18 inches apart, and about six feet away. The mic preamp/converter is the Grace Lunatec V3. The best bit of equipment, though, seems to be the sound engineer's ears. All hail the unsung heroes. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: CD recording today
Thanks to everyone who wrote encouraging words, both privately and to this list. The first day went very well indeed. The house is perfect - a beautiful acoustic, so NO REVERB will added. As anyone who has done a recording will know, it takes an inordinate amount of time to set up microphones, and getting the balance between viol and guitar also took some time, but we still managed to get in the can (as we recording types say!) about one third of the programme. The acoustic was so good, I can't wait for tomorrow... Thanks again. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Kremberg pieces uploaded
My Hero! Rob 2009/2/9 Mjos Larson [1]rockype...@earthlink.net I have uploaded a collection of about 20 Kremberg pieces to my Ning group page: [2]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/ This edition is mostly guitar settings of songs, but a few pieces have voice and BC parts and one piece gives an impression of a typical page layout. As a rare German source for baroque guitar music, it deserves to be better known. -- Rocky To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rockype...@earthlink.net 2. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] iGoogle and uke videos experiment
Any iGoogle users here? First, for those who are unaware of iGoogle - go to [1]www.google.com/ig and create your own Google page. It has all the search facilities of the usual Google, plus you can have lots of little windows of things you want to see - news feeds, weather, even virtual pets - there are hundreds to choose from. Anyway... My wife wanted a window on her iGoogle page which showed my videos (yes, she is crazy), and I have figured out a way to do it. If you have an iGoogle page, I send you an email with a link. You click on it, and, hey presto, my videos appear on your iGoogle page. That's it. You can easily get rid of video box by clicking delete. It is all free, no money or passwords or anything. But I do need your email address - I will not give it to anyone else or send you anything other than this one link. I make no assumption that any of you would want my videos on your iGoogle page, but you never know. My wife is not the only crazy person in the world...but this is an experiment. So far it worked easily for me and her. I would be interested to know if there are any problems. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.google.com/ig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] website
I've moved my vihuela pages - and reformatted some of them - to a dedicated site: [1]http://www.vihuela.eu Please let me know if there are any problems or ommissions. Cheers, Rob -- References 1. http://www.vihuela.eu/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Cerretto
Has Cerretto's guitar music been published? Or does anyone have a facsimile? Are there any other sources that use his tuning (from 4th to 1st): g'g' d'd' f#'f#' b' - (or the same down a tone) a re-entrant tuning. Both Bermudo and Mudarra use the same intervals, but with the fourth string down an octave. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: El Canto del Caballero
Beautiful website and wonderful performances. The two-vihuela lineup will allow you to make new arrangements. Very exciting. Good luck with the new ensemble. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] There is a traitor in our midst!
Please forgive me! [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be drawing full circle...and coming to an end!!! Hopefully not for a while... Rob -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: There is a traitor in our midst!
Oops. I didn't intend to open a run on favourite ukulele videos! Sorry! Rob 2009/1/17 Waling Tiersma [1]waling.tier...@inter.nl.net Way out of our 'genre' but if you like the uke you shouldn't miss this one: [2]http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=puSkP3uym5k (I assume most people would call this 'Early music' in another sense) Rob MacKillop wrote: Please forgive me! [1][3]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be drawing full circle...and coming to an end!!! Hopefully not for a while... Rob -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:waling.tier...@inter.nl.net 2. http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=puSkP3uym5k 3. http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke 4. http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: a couple of pieces by Logy
Removed already? Rob 2009/1/10 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com I've put a couple of little pieces in A minor by Graf Logy ...or Losy ..or whatever his name is: [2]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFRlm97MTIfeature=channel_page Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFRlm97MTIfeature=channel_page 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Aria 19th-century guitar
The Aria company have a new model of 19th-century guitar [1]http://tinyurl.com/7u9x4e or [2]http://www.ivormairants.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=733cat=0; page=1featured From Aria's website: [3]http://www.ariaguitars.com/int/03_products/pro_ag_a19c_200n.html Great price and colour but available in nylon or steel strings (!). Rob MacKillop -- References Visible links 1. http://tinyurl.com/7u9x4e 2. http://www.ivormairants.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=733cat=0page=1featured 3. http://www.ariaguitars.com/int/03_products/pro_ag_a19c_200n.html Hidden links: 4. http://n.html/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Aria 19th-century guitar
I see it as a student guitar. I've known a few students who have had an interest in playing the repertoire on an appropriate instrument, but the cost has been prohibitive. The 63cms string length is appropriate. I don't know what the braceing is. Aria make good instruments for the price range, so I don't think it would be so bad. What interests me is that they think there might be profit in such a specialist area. Is early 19thC guitar becoming trendy? Time to move on! Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: On the subject (accidently deleted last email)
You can get some on my vihuela page: [1]http://www.rmguitar.info/vihuela.htm Technique: mainly thumb and two fingers. Scale runs are often index and middle. Some passages use just the index finger down and up. See Ralph Maier's excellent website: [2]http://www.ralphmaier.com/ Rob MacKillop 2008/12/12 Joshua Horn [3]hornjoshu...@gmail.com If I do use a capo on 3rd, should my G be tuned to F#? before I put it on, or not? - I'm pretty much completly new to Lutes and Vihuela's and pretty much all early music. I started out as a rock musician when I was 12. My cousin who's about 16 years older than me was my teacher. He plays all kinds of music, he was and is versed in Classical Guitar and a little bit of Spanish Flamenco, as well as modern rock. I started on a Fender Stratocaster and then a Dreadnought Steel String that I got as my first Guitar (the Strat was my cousin's). I'm wondering (hoping) someone can direct me to some kind of chord or playing techniques for Vihuela and Vihuela music. Also, where would be a repository of free Vihuela manuscripts that I can print? Thanks, Josh -- Joshua E. Horn -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.rmguitar.info/vihuela.htm 2. http://www.ralphmaier.com/ 3. mailto:hornjoshu...@gmail.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Hi All
I would say keep the capo. One advantage for modern classical guitar programmes is to make your repertoire from different periods sound a little different. There is less resonance but more transparency with a capo, and, yes, it does make some passages easier for the left hand. But there were vihuelas in E, but I think pitch is less important than a clear sound. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar
So it is! Where did you find the tune? Rob 2008/12/7 Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob, did you notice that the final piece in the GGregory Ms is very closely related to [2]http://www.torban.org/sounds/poljubyla.mp3 [3]http://www.torban.org/images/poljubyla.pdf ? RT - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar I've just uploaded a new essay, Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar in 19th-Century Teaching Practice to [1][6]http://www.sorstudies.co.uk/preludes.htm. It includes a sound file and links to free scores. Comments welcome. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. [7]http://www.sorstudies.co.uk/preludes.htm To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.torban.org/sounds/poljubyla.mp3 3. http://www.torban.org/images/poljubyla.pdf 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.sorstudies.co.uk/preludes.htm 7. http://www.sorstudies.co.uk/preludes.htm 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar
Nice performance, Stuart. I'll get around to recording the GG version soonish... Rob 2008/12/7 Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roman Turovsky wrote: It is a late 18th century Ukrainian popular song-tune, much (ab)used in vaudeville from 1800 on, with cheesy texts. It occasionally appears in 7-string collections. RT Here's the same tune (I think) in a simple arrangement by A.O. Sychra: [2]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/march.mp3 It's described as a March. (No24 Journal de Petersbourg) Stuart -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/march.mp3 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar
All fascinating stuff, guys. Any comments on improvising preludes? Rob 2008/12/8 Trond Bengtson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The title of the pop song is: Yes, my darling daughter. There is a nice version on Youtube. [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVDl689v6iE Trond - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar Roman Turovsky wrote: I've read through that PDF, and it contains quite a few Ukrainian items, some of them in really peculiar versions. For example- #22 is really based on [6]http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.pdf [7]http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.mid [8]http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts2.pdf [9]http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.mid a rather famous (locally) poisoning ballad. It is also found in one of Ignaz von Held guitar books. Funny, I remember this piece as a pop song (schlager) years ago, sung in Finnish. I cannot remember the lyrics. Perhaps Timo P, another Finn here, has better memory? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [11]http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 06.12.2008 16:55 -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVDl689v6iE 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.pdf 7. http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.mid 8. http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts2.pdf 9. http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.mid 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. http://www.avg.com/
[VIHUELA] new Sor website
I've created a new website devoted to Fernando Sor and 19thC guitar performance practice. Just a few sound files, one video and a few essays there at the moment, but much more planned: [1]www.sorstudies.co.uk The video can also be seen on the vimeo site: [2]http://www.vimeo.com/2377510 Playing mostly baroque guitar and 19th-century guitar these days... Rob -- References 1. http://www.sorstudies.co.uk/ 2. http://www.vimeo.com/2377510 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] New guitar construction history book
Looks good, but very expensive: Without making any claims in historical or musicological terms, we dedicate the first book in the series to guitar artisans, the luthiers who invented the instrument. From 1650 to 1950, from Voboam to Bouchet, by way of Pons, Lacote and Laprevotte, who graced the wonderful 19th century. In all aboput 50 magnificent instruments are proposed, almost all previously unpublished. Projects, innovations, transformations and acoustic theories are examined as they contribute to the evolution of the guitar. The instruments published have been carefully selected, and we invite you to discover them one by one, to trace their evolution, to reconstruct the work of a great maestro, of his school, of his pupils and followers, to look at what these artists have succeeded in passing down to us, their influence on other schools, on other luthiers, on the very development of the guitar itself. Sinier de Ridder [1]https://www.fretsonly.com/xcart/product.php?productid=7479 Anyone seen this? Rob -- References 1. https://www.fretsonly.com/xcart/product.php?productid=7479 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: New guitar construction history book
Both books are very expensive. I'll just buy new strings instead... Rob 2008/11/28 Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are some nice pictures but don't expect much of the text ;) And you are right, it's certainly hugely overpriced for what it gives ... If I were you I'd better persuaded your library to get a really gorgeous guitar catalogue of the recent guitar exhibition The guitar: Four Centuries of Masterpieces in Alessandria instead (some rarely seen guitars, reasonably well-thought-of text, references etc, all in good balance): [2]http://ilsalabue.com/lang1/la_chitarra.html .. Or, indeed, both. Alexander EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote: I've not seen this text in person, but am trying to persuade the music library at the university where I work that they NEED this on their shelves. Sinier de Ridder's shop tends to be expensive in all things, instruments included. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://ilsalabue.com/lang1/la_chitarra.html 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Sor's harpolyre
Does this link work? [1]http://tinyurl.com/62zsar or this: [2]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Music-of-Fernando-Sor/dp/B0018Y DPJA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=musicqid=1227290706sr=8-1 (cut and paste into browser) Or serch [3]www.amazon.co.uk or com for Lost Music Fernando Sor Rob 2008/11/22 Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob, Interesting but I can't seem to open this link regards Martyn --- On Fri, 21/11/08, Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VIHUELA] Sor's harpolyre To: Vihuela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 21 November, 2008, 7:48 PM Anyone seen one of these: [1][8]http://tinyurl.com/62zsar He has a couple of youtube videos. I've ordered the disc just to hear the repertoire. Brian Jeffrey's biography of Sor contains a description of the instrument. The central neck is just a normal guitar. The other necks have the same bass notes, but one neck has gut strings, the other wire-covered silk - a strange and subtle thing to devise. Apparently the repertoire by Sor is among his best...we shall see... Anyone have more info? Rob MacKillop -- References 1. [9]http://tinyurl.com/62zsar To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://tinyurl.com/62zsar 2. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Music-of-Fernando-Sor/dp/B0018Y 3. http://www.amazon.co.uk/ 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://tinyurl.com/62zsar 9. http://tinyurl.com/62zsar 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia
Thanks, Monica. Rob 2008/11/14 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those of you who are interested in Murcia, Alejandro Vera has another article about him in the November issue of Early Music. He has uncovered a lot of biographical information about Murcia - which is quite different from the accepted one. In a nutshell - he was born in Madrid on 25th July 1673 and baptised on the 25th August in the parish church of St. Sebastian. His parents were Juan de Murcia and Magdalena Hernandez. He married a lady called Josefa Garcia in May 1695. He made a Declaration of poverty on 2nd July 1729 - a sort of will indicating that he had nothing much to bequeath, but he didn't die until 25th April 1739 in Madrid where he was buried free of charge in the cemetery adjoining the church of San Martin. There is a lot more fascinating detail than that so anyone interested in him should definitely read the article. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: History of the guitar on BBC1 (one!)
I made the mistake of actually staying up to watch the programme. It was definitely the worst programme I've seen in a long time. We had John Williams, for instance, saying that the 4c guitar never had any polyphonic music, it was only strummed, and that the modern classical guitar was superior. Thanks, John! What an ignoramous. There were quite a few gems along those lines. I forgot the name of the lute/cittern/vihuela player they found. He was dressed in period costume (the presenter called it a 1970's medieval costume, and he was quite accurate) and gave the impression he dressed and lived like that all the time. The message was clear: early music people are nuts. I should say that I have a personal story here. The researcher for the programme phoned me about two months ago to ask if I could give him information about the so-called English Guitar. He knew only one story, apparently, about the harpsichord maker, Kirkman, buying guittars to give to prostitutes in order to put the middle-classes off of buying them, buying his harpsichords instead. He kept giggling uncontrollably about this story and refused to listen to anything I said. He sounded like a 14-year old. I refused to take part in the programme. My fears were justified. Looking forward to Part 2! Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Bartolotti
Bravo, Monica. Excellent stuff, as usual. Makes me want to play Bartolotti. Thanksalotti... Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: The Learned Guitarist...
What's not 'serious' about folk music? Rob 2008/9/26 Michael Gillespie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering... when (with who) did study of the early guitar become more serious. Sanz used spanish folk melodies where as de Visse was the royal guitarist, thats a big gap. I imagine that the great vihuelists and lutenists of the day went through conservatory training rather than just picking one up and beating it to death, what about the guitarists? -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Video
Truly awful, Josh. Learn to respect tradition a little - you might learn WHY lute players tuned the way they did for their music. As 100 per cent of 6c lute repertoire was written in tablature form, your new tuning leaves you with a huge problem. You will have to transcribe everything and then arrange (or derrange) it. It has nothing to do with the music or instruments discussed here. Try the acoustic guitar forums. Nothing wrong with ingenuity, of course, that's how things change, so keep experimenting. Rob 2008/9/24 Joshua Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guys, I made this video to demo a tuning I've been using on my Guitar. Give it a look please. :-) [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR921yLOm6w -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR921yLOm6w 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: To all
I wasn't upset, Josh. It will take more than that to upset me. Good luck with it all. You asked for feedback, and I gave you some. Rob 2008/9/24 Josh Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To all, For those whom I might of offended with my demonstration tuning video, I apologize. That was not my intention. I have been and always will be an improvisor and an inventor always trying new things. Sorry for the confusion or anything that might of been said that was upsetting. I apologize Sincerly, --- Joshua Edward Horn Sales Associate ; Radio Shack -- ___ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at [2]http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.opera.com/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: More of the delectable Gordon Ferries
2008/9/24 Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] What Gordon is doing is a bit puzzling and I thought it was worth talking about. What's your problem with that? Nothing. What do you want to discuss? Rob -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Left or right knee?
Anything goes. Whatever feels comfortable and allows you to shift from plucking between the bridge and rose, and strumming at the neck/body joint. The problem is if you have wings - apparently many vihuelists were angels - sitting down becomes difficult, but I suppose you could float... Many players use a strap. Rob MacKillop 2008/9/22 Josh Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I am curious as to wether your Vihuela or Guitar should be resting on your left or right knee when playing traditional music. Is this the proper position for holding? Thanks, Josh -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
I would call that a theorboed guitar... Rob 2008/9/17 Michael Gillespie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archguitar... [1][2]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1270/1387376248_33e9ce89f4.jpg? v=0 -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1270/1387376248_33e9ce89f4.jpg?v=0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
The instrument and its maker are now flying back to Germany. Wolfgang tells me the instrument is on sale but will not appear on his website for a couple of moths - the guy who does his website for him is too busy. So if you are interested, you can still get in touch with him via email from his website. My final thoughts - an interesting instrument with some very nice repertoire, assuming the theorboed guitar and this archlutetypeguitarsortofthing shared the same repertoire. I would also be a useful continuo instrument for someone who thinks in guitar tuning. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
OK, here is the video: [1]http://tinyurl.com/5cgkdv The instrument will be back in Germany on Sunday, and on sale. Wolfgang's website: [2]http://tinyurl.com/5dhbor I enjoyed playing it, but could have done with more time - the performances are FAR from perfect. Granata's music is not easy, but there is a project there for someone. Gallot's music looks interesting too, but in quite a different tuning. Questions over the stringing of the basses will doubtless continue until new evidence is found. Thanks to Wolfgang for bringing it to Scotland and leaving it with me whilst he has gone off on holiday to the west coast. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://tinyurl.com/5cgkdv 2. http://tinyurl.com/5dhbor To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
I've just noticed that immediately below the video on its right-hand side is a link - 'watch in high quality' - it really does make a difference. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
Some people have reported problems with that link. If that's the case, go to [1]www.youtube.com and search for archguitar or Rob MacKillop. Rob 2008/9/11 Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, here is the video: [3]http://tinyurl.com/5cgkdv The instrument will be back in Germany on Sunday, and on sale. Wolfgang's website: [4]http://tinyurl.com/5dhbor I enjoyed playing it, but could have done with more time - the performances are FAR from perfect. Granata's music is not easy, but there is a project there for someone. Gallot's music looks interesting too, but in quite a different tuning. Questions over the stringing of the basses will doubtless continue until new evidence is found. Thanks to Wolfgang for bringing it to Scotland and leaving it with me whilst he has gone off on holiday to the west coast. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/ 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. http://tinyurl.com/5cgkdv 4. http://tinyurl.com/5dhbor To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
I've placed a pdf of the scores here: [1]http://www.rmguitar.info/temp.htm Rob 2008/9/11 Michael Gillespie [EMAIL PROTECTED] What kind of notation are you reading? Are the basses marked /a //a ///a 1,2,3 so on? -- References 1. http://www.rmguitar.info/temp.htm 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
We've been over the gut/string-length issue rather too many times here, for me at least, but feel free to hack it out again if you so wish, gentlemen. I'm more interested in WHY anyone would go to the trouble of adding all those extra strings at the upper octave? There is only one bar in the two Granata pieces I have (one needs, obviously, to look at the entire publication) where a ninth course D is followed by an E on the fourth course, second fret. Such leaps are not unfamilar in other scores of the period. I say 'leap' assuming the ninth course at the lower pitch. If it is at the higher octave, why not play the E also as an open course - if you did a rest-stroke thumb stroke from the 9th course onto the 8th, you are already there, so why leap up to the fourth course? The following bass note is the 6th course. I think the shape of the Grammatica instrument tells us something about its role - it looks like an archlute (might even be one) whose prime function is probably accompaniment. That would imply lower octave basses. Strad The Lad might have had the figure-of-eight guitar shape in mind, which might have been a completely different instrument to the one in the painting. And who knows what Granata had in mind? Or Gallot? I'm enjoying playing it. Wolfgang is a good luthier. The thing works (albeit with nylgut strings). Trying not to get emotionally attached to it. On Sunday it will be back in Germany, and on sale from [1]http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm Rob -- References 1. http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: arch-guitar
The string length of the basses is c.116cms. I say 'circa' because I couldn't find a tape measure, so ended up using a six-inch ruler... The Granata Sarbande and Corrente do not have passages that would suggest anything other than GFEDCBA. In the tuning you mention, Martyn, (gfedcBA) does not the g double the open third course, and likewise the d with the fourth course? I can't see any allowances for that in the scores. The Sarabande is difficult to play without laughing - the first seven bass notes (tasto) chime out Prokofiev's Hall of the Mountain King (if that's the correct title) from Pictures at an Exhibition... This music is difficult to play! I wish I hadn't promised a video!! Rob 2008/9/8 Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob, Thanks - interesting: there's a thought that the 'basses' could have been at the upper octave rather than the lower as you indicate. In short, descending from the 5th course string plucked first by the thumb (ie from the a downwards g f e d c B A and not G F E D C B, A, as you say it's now strung. What's the string length of the basses? I would have thought it needed to be around 160cm to get a reasonable sound from a plain gut low A, string but I'm not sure that any theorboed guitar had basses so very long. Martyn --- On Mon, 8/9/08, Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] arch-guitar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vihuela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 8 September, 2008, 10:25 AM It has diapasons on the fourth and fifth, on the finger side, high octave on the thumb side. Then it has single bass strings descending from G to low A, then it leaps up for a g# and an f#. I don't know if it 'works for me' - not sure what that means. Seems to fit the music by Granata OK. Wolfgang has made the lower nut wide enough to fit a sixth course for archlute tuning in E or F. I won't have time to explore that, however. Rob 2008/9/8 Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob, Are the basses at the upper octave and does this work for you? Martyn --- On Sun, 7/9/08, Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VIHUELA] arch-guitar To: Vihuela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 7 September, 2008, 11:23 PM Just received the arch-guitar from Wolfgand Emmerich. I have one week to master it (!) before he takes it back to Germany. It is a well-made instrument, but everytime I try to play something, I can't help thinking I am in archlute tuning. I have some Gallot - but that is in a weird tuning requiring a change of strings, so will give it a miss. I also have some Granata, so I hope to record that before Saturday, maybe a video, we'll see. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: More on the Dias vihuela
Worth waiting for, Alexander. Not being a luthier, I don't pretend to understand all the details after one read-through, but the detail you have uncovered is most interesting. And it is so nice to have a level-headed discussion of facts instead of the mindless ranting previously associated with this instrument by others. I hope they will take on board your note that we are all in this together, collaboratively attempting to understand this instrument and others of the period. I look forward to a healthy discussion. Great photographs! I once played your reconstruction of this vihuela - a memorable experience. Rob macKillop 2008/8/26 Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED] My long promised update for one of the pages dedicated to the Dias vihuela: [1][2]http://www.vihuelademano.com/vgcrossroads.htm It's not a sort of 'must read' for everyone (i.e. rather technical) but might be interesting for makers and those who are curious what linen strips are doing inside musical instrument's body ;) Roger Blumberg certainly did but I'm not sure if he's still on the list. Alexander -- References 1. [3]http://www.vihuelademano.com/vgcrossroads.htm To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.vihuelademano.com/vgcrossroads.htm 3. http://www.vihuelademano.com/vgcrossroads.htm 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: baroque guitar for the novice
Hi Chris, This a good question. Method books are fewer in number than lute tutors. As you probably know, there are three ways of playing the guitar - strumming, plucking and mixed-style. I've entertained thoughts about writing an online tutor with videos of techniques, etc. It would be a lot of work (and for no financial reward - but that's not really important). In the meantime, there are two books for you to hunt down, both by James Tyler. The first was published by Chorus in Finland and was worked on by our resident Finnish guitarist, Timo Peedu. I have it somewhere, but can't find it to give you the title. Anyway, I think it is long out of print. I think it was called A Brief Tutor for the Baroque Guitar. The second is Appendix 1 from a book co-authored by James Tyler and Paul Sparks, The Guitar And Its Music - from the Renaissance to the Classical Era (Oxford Early Music Series). The appendix is 'A Brief Guide to Reading and Interpreting Baroque Guitar Tablatures'. It discusses the Alfabeto System of chord symbols and strumming patterns, ornaments, etc. There are no pieces to learn. For that you need to get some editions. Gaspar Sanz is always a good place to start. He has simple grounds with chords and strumming patterns. Timo Peedu has some excellent editions available for free from this page: [1]http://rmguitar.info/scores.htm and on his Ning network page: [2]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu - if you don't know about the Ning Baroque Guitar network, you should join. Do you have an instrument? That is usually the main barrier to progress! Student baroque guitars are hard to come by. There are some Mexican guitars which have 5 double courses and could be adapted into a reasonable-quality student baroque guitar. Maybe someone else could chime in here. Good luck finding a teacher. If you have any more questions, just ask. Rob MacKillop [3]www.songoftherose.co.uk (has some baroque guitar videos) 2008/8/25 Chris D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, I'm wondering if someone can recommend a good way to approach baroque guitar for the complete novice. I'm an intermediate level lute player and read staff notation (viola da gamba and recorder) but no guitar experience. I've built a serviceable orpharion, and thought, why not tackle a baroque guitar. Any recommendations as far as good introductory method books, teachers in the Pacific Northwest, etc? Thanks, not sure if this is the right site to address this question as most of the current discussion of tunings etc is completely over my head. Christopher -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://rmguitar.info/scores.htm 2. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu 3. http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/ 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarrone Francese
Thanks, Monica. I only have time for maybe one piece by each composer, so if you could post me copies or jpgs that would be great. Regarding the question of body shape - guitar or lute - I have no fixed or learned opinion, but I imagine different luthiers tried different things. The guitar shape is an obvious one to start with, as what we are considering is a guitar with diapasons added. However, the baroque guitar shape is not conducive to a longer bridge on the bass side. The lute shape is better in this regard. So it might be possible that some luthiers preferred a lute shape for their arch-guitars. We might never know. The Grammatica painting shows only five courses on the fretboard, and this would be an odd thing to do for an archlute - and the painting is otherwise very detailed, so I think the artist was being accurate. I can see the desire of some baroque guitar players to want to play the role that their lute-playing colleagues were doing in the continuo section, playing bass lines and chords. Having an archlute in guitar tuning would be an obvious step for some, I guess. Anyway, I'm looking forward to experimenting with it for a week. Rob 2008/8/23 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well - I have the Granata book and Gallot and so could send you some of the pieces if you haven't got these. The Gallot has the strings on the fingerboard tuned to a major major common chord rather than the usual guitar intervals. I am bit curious about this though because according to Gary Boye there is a copy of Granata's 1651 book which has an additional engraved portrait of Granata with in the background what appears to be a guitar with extended bass strings. I did query with him whether the instrument was guitar shaped rather than lute shaped. He said it was guitar shaped but couldn't find his copy of the illustration. In his dissertation he gives the RISM sigla of the book as F:C. I'm not sure whether by this he means the Conservatorio Library in Florence or an obscure library in France. Has anyone else seen this copy? It also seems that Granata applied to be a super numerary lutenist to the Concerto Palatino of San Petronio in Bologna. Monica - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Chitarrone Francese The German luthier, Wolfgang Emmerich has made a copy of the instrument from the Grammatica painting, which some believe to be a Chitarrone Francese - a sort of archlute for guitar players. The painting has only five courses on the fretboard. Robert Spencer thought the music by Fontanelli, the Sonate per il Chitarrone Francese, was for this instrument. Richard Pinnell has identified the music of Granata and Gallot also for this instrument. Now, Wolfgang is visiting Edinburgh in September and is leaving the instrument with me for a week before he takes it home. I hope to make an mp3 or two and maybe a video of it before I hand it back. So, could someone please send me a jpg or two of some pieces I might be able to play on it? I'm not in the market for such an instrument, but having it for a week is very interesting. You can see pictures of the original painting on Wolfgang's website: [1][4]http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm - click on archlute and scroll down. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. [5]http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm 5. http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarrone Francese
I know of three original guitars that look like Faria's. The first one is even for sale: [1]http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?148 Wow, 8,000 euros is a good price for something so old and so unique. People pay a lot more for crap Gibsons from the 1940s. If I had the money, I would buy it. With a little bit of lutherie, I'm sure it could be playing concerts again. But what was played on it? Was it a 19th-century attempt to turn an old baroque guitar into a Decacord? Six single strings on the fretboard might indicate that. Any luthiers reading this who would like to comment? Rob -- References 1. http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?148 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarrone Francese
Well, it is certainly a baroque guitar with a lute bowl, but a 'chitarrone francese' would have diapasons, hence 'chitarrone'. Very interesting, though! Again, a good price. Rob 2008/8/24 Peedu Timo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would this then be a Chitarra Francese? [2]http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?1000171 [3]https://okm.kuvalehdet.fi/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.r enard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?1000171 Timo To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?1000171 3. https://okm.kuvalehdet.fi/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?1000171 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Chitarrone Francese
The German luthier, Wolfgang Emmerich has made a copy of the instrument from the Grammatica painting, which some believe to be a Chitarrone Francese - a sort of archlute for guitar players. The painting has only five courses on the fretboard. Robert Spencer thought the music by Fontanelli, the Sonate per il Chitarrone Francese, was for this instrument. Richard Pinnell has identified the music of Granata and Gallot also for this instrument. Now, Wolfgang is visiting Edinburgh in September and is leaving the instrument with me for a week before he takes it home. I hope to make an mp3 or two and maybe a video of it before I hand it back. So, could someone please send me a jpg or two of some pieces I might be able to play on it? I'm not in the market for such an instrument, but having it for a week is very interesting. You can see pictures of the original painting on Wolfgang's website: [1]http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm - click on archlute and scroll down. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Video - Suite in Dm by De Visee
I've made a video in 2 parts of the Suite in Dm for guitar by Robert de Visee. The first part on the Vimeo site is here: [1]http://www.vimeo.com/1579964 - with the 2nd part next to it. However, on some computers it might stick and jump a little - if so just let it play through as you go and make a cup of tea...it will work fine when you return and ask it to play again. Otherwise, here are two links for YouTube. The sound and visuals are not as good, but it should play OK. [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQK2clXfUpc [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbitKSZ_Gh0 Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.vimeo.com/1579964 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQK2clXfUpc 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbitKSZ_Gh0 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] New Videos
The constant rain here in Edinburgh put me in a melancholic mood. Here are three new videos of baroque guitar music from Portugal and Mexico (Greensleeves!): [1]http://www.vimeo.com/robmackillop/videos Also on the Ning Baroque Guitar site and YouTube. Apologies for cross-posting... Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://www.vimeo.com/robmackillop/videos To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Search for Scottish pieces
I'm looking for baroque guitar pieces with a Scottish connection. I have the two pieces in the Princess Anne Lute Book and the Schiller manuscript. Speaking of which, can someone give me the full name for the Schiller ms? Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Search for Scottish pieces
2008/8/18 Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob, Other than these two, the only others which come to mind are in a sense all pieces in Corebetta's 1671 book dedicated to the Stuart monarch. In particular there's a nice sarabande: La Stuart (f. 71) and the preceding Allemande: La Royalle Martyn Hmm, not particularly Scottish, but a sort of Scottish connection, I suppose. Thanks, Martyn. Rob -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Search for Scottish pieces
They might be Irish, considering the Gallot d'Irlande connection, but I would like a look at them if you have them... Rob 2008/8/18 Mjos Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are any of the miscellaneous pieces in the De Gallot manuscript Scottish? I'm thinking of Lachimagry (sp? f. 106v ?) and Machinaery (sp? 49r ?) which are a bit Irishy/Scottish sounding. (Ooh, I hope that doesn't offend.) Might there be others in that manuscript? -- R On Aug 18, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I'm looking for baroque guitar pieces with a Scottish connection. I have the two pieces in the Princess Anne Lute Book and the Schiller manuscript. Speaking of which, can someone give me the full name for the Schiller ms? Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: alternative tunings for Baroque guitar
I have been too scared to retune for the de Visee suite, and have never heard it performed. I wonder if retuning was involved or re-stringing? French lute players (much earlier than de Visee) searched for different resonances, and that lead to unmeasured preludes as they explored what was unique about each tuning. Modern acoustic guitar players also have many different tunings - different resonance and different campanellas, different keys also. See [1]http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/WarrenAllen/tunings/tunings .htm It seems that most plucked instrument players, and bowed (come to think of it), get bored (possibly - boredom is a very creative force) with standard tuning. We often discuss baroque guitar matters as if the player only had one instrument. Professionals and those who could afford it would have had quite a few instruments, some with different bourdon settings, and possibly some with different tunings. Monica states that 'they completely alter the sound quality of the instrument' - well, that was the whole point, I imagine. Rob 2008/8/17 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes. Recently Gerard Rebours sent me an article which he has written which mentions this. He makes an interesting point which is that if you follow the instructions literally i.e. starting with the 3rd course, the 1st course will have to be tuned up a minor 3rd to G. He finds himself that this isn't very practical. The instructions shouldn't be taken too literally. He suggests tuning the 3rd course up a semitone or a tone to keep the 1st course at a reasonable pitch. The thing I have noticed about using these scordaturae (if that is th correct plural) is that they completely alter the sound quality of the instrument. Also it takes a while for the instrument to settle in the new tuning although that may be my ears or my guitar. And you can't play anything else for the time being. Constantly re-tuning is tiresome to say the least. I do wonder why they used them. Santiago de Murcia has re-arranged the pieces by Campion he has included in Passacalles y obras for the standard tuning. The other thing which is curious is that I don't know of any example where the 5th course is tuned down to G to increase the overall compass of the instrument which would be the logical thing to do especially when accompanying a bass line. Of course if you do this it makes the fingering of the standard chords more complex. And would be pointless with re-entrant tunings. Monica - Original Message - From: [3]Rob MacKillop To: [4]Monica Hall Cc: [5]Stuart Walsh ; [6]Vihuelalist Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: alternative tunings for Baroque guitar And the suite by de Visee in his first guitar book, page 50. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/WarrenAllen/tunings/tunings.htm 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Gordon Ferries on YouTube
Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/user/bananamunga Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Bartolotti query
I would play them middle finger up, index finger up, but not two separate movements, just one flick of the hand. It might be akin to the tied quavers often seen in gamba or violin music where the bow doesn't change direction but digs in again, all in one movement. If that is the case, then two finger strokes in one direction, either mi or pi would suffice. Rob MacKillop 2008/6/16 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this query came up before but I can't remember whether anyone knew the answer to it. In Bartolotti's Secondo Libro, the Allemandes usually start with a pick up beat which is notated as two semi-quavers apparently to be played as up-strokes but tied together. You can see this in the first allemande in E minor on p. 2 both at the beginning and at the mid point. Has anyone any ideas about how these should be played? As 2 separate strokes - or 1? Why are they be tied together? Any thoughts on the subject gratefully received! Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[VIHUELA] FoMRHI revived
Dear FoMRHI member You will be pleased to hear that after 6 years of silence, the Fellowship of Makers and Researchers of Historical Instruments, and its Quarterly publication, are being revived. We already have enough material for at least one, maybe two issues of the Quarterly. The first should appear in July. We are sure you will have had many interesting ideas, discoveries and thoughts about historical instruments in the interim, so please put them down on paper, and send them in for inclusion in forthcoming issues of FoMRHI Quarterly! You will remember that you must send in contributions - Communications or 'Comms' as they are called -EXACTLY as you wish them to appear - in 12 point type, on A4 paper with a 25mm / 1 inch border all round, or to put it another way, if you are using non-European paper sizes, then the text area must be 160 x 246 mm (or at least no wider or longer than this). You can send contributions EITHER on paper, OR as a Word-compatible or PDF attachment. NOTE OUR NEW ADDRESS: FoMRHI c/o Chris Goodwin Southside Cottage Brook Hill Albury Guildford GU5 9DJ United Kingdom and the email address for contributions sent as attachments is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note the following: 1. Please tell everyone you know who might be interested that FoMRHI is being revived, and encourage them to send in contributions to the quarterly. 2. As we have unspent subscription monies in the bank, existing members will be credited with a year's subscription, for 2008. 3. Non-members will be given a year's free subscription if they send in a Communication for the Quarterly. 4. If you have changed address since 2000, please let us know; if you do not receive a paper version of this call for papers in the next two weeks that means we probably don't have your correct current postal address. 5. If you ever sent in a paper [in the last 6 years] for the Quarterly, and it never appeared, please re-send it now, to the new address. 6. There are plans to scan back issues of the Quarterly and make them downloadable from a website, to be set up; in the meantime you can obtain back issues for the princely sum of Pounds 3 per issue, including postage; send a cheque payable to FoMRHI, at the above address, or write with your credit card details. 7. If your interests have changed, and you don't now want to be a member of FoMRHI, please let us know, to save our postage costs. I look forward to hearing from you. best wishes Chris Goodwin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Fuenllana 5c vihuela
Fuenllana composed and intabulated pieces for the 5c vihuela. How this instrument differed from the 5c guitar with bourdons on the 4th and 5th is a little bit of a mystery. His 6c vihuela seems to have been quite small, judging by the stretches required of the left hand. The 5c tablature seems to be no different. There is frequesnt use of letter f on the first course simultaneoulsy with letter b on the second course. That being the case, how did his 5c differ from his 6c other than having a course missing in the bass? And what modern performer would commission a 5c vihuela when a 6c would cover everything? Perhaps the 5c was re-entrant? Not so, judging by the tablature. Going on the musical style and tablature layout, I see no difference between his 6c and 5c repertoire. Jusge for yourself. Here is the tablature for all his 5c pieces - -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Fuenllana 5c vihuela
That message got sent before I had finished writing it...Here is the full version: Fuenllana composed and intabulated pieces for the 5c vihuela. How this instrument differed from the 5c guitar with bourdons on the 4th and 5th is a little bit of a mystery. His 6c vihuela seems to have been quite small, judging by the stretches required of the left hand. The 5c tablature seems to be no different. There is frequesnt use of letter f on the first course simultaneoulsy with letter b on the second course. That being the case, how did his 5c differ from his 6c other than having a course missing in the bass? And what modern performer would commission a 5c vihuela when a 6c would cover everything? Perhaps the 5c was re-entrant? Not so, judging by the tablature. Going on the musical style and tablature layout, I see no difference between his 6c and 5c repertoire. Judge for yourself. Here is the tablature for all his 5c pieces - PLAYABLE ON THE 5c BAROQUE GUITAR (at a stretch) - in Italian, French and Milan's 'Guitar-type' tablature: http://www.rmguitar.info/scores.htm Enjoy. Rob MacKillop www.songoftherose.co.uk -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Fuenllana 5c vihuela
Buy a ruler... ;-) Rob 2008/6/6 Azalais [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That works!... (but it takes even more intense concentration than avoiding the 6th course when playing 5-line BG pieces on a vihuela!!! ) Rob, someday when you have some extra time on your hands, would it be too much trouble to add an extra blank line to the guitar .pdf file??) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Novelties
The CDRom Martyn mentions, you can find it here, Jerry: http://www.lacg.net/facsimiles_page.htm A bit more expensive than Martyn remembers (more like 50 quid, Martyn) but well worth it. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Francesco and the viola da mano
Allow me to simplify things, at least for my own benefit, and forgive me if I over simplify. I'm just thinking out loud... The vihuela de mano was created in Valencia and found its way to Naples where it became popular, more popular than the lute. Some Italian makers started making their own version which they called the viola da mano. Eventually there emerged two apparently distinct types, Spanish and Italian. The Italian version seems to have kept the classic viol shape with deep indents on the sides, while the Spanish version smoothed out the sides, as with the Raimondi drawing, or the figure of eight, almost classical guitar shape of Milan's book. Both types were used in Italy, either imported or copied, and the Spanish types were referred to as Spanish lutes or lyras. Isabella d'Este asks for a Spanish type, and, importantly, insists on it being made from ebony. Although there seems to have been a distinction in the physical aspects of the Italian and Spanish viola/vihuela, the repertoire could be played on either instrument. The Borgias, being originally Spanish, were important in spreading the popularity of the vihuela/viola to Rome and the northern states. Francesco, therefore, did not need to live in the South to come across the viola. His 1536 book mentions the viola before the lute: *Intavolatura de Viola o vero Lauto*. It was printed in Naples where the viola was most popular. This raises the possibility that Francesco did NOT play the viola, but its name was given chief prominence in order to boost sales in its area of publication...? However, it is certainly possible that he DID play the viola alongside the lute early in his career, but dropped the viola when it declined in popularity in favour of the lute. Two Neapolitan viola da mano players, Dentice and Severino, were active in both Italy and Spain, and their works could be added to the canon of vihuela literature. OK? Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Francesco and the viola da mano
Thanks Azalais. My first response is that there is enough fiction in the viola/vihuela debate already...but a good read is a good read ;-) Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Francesco and the viola da mano
I understand the introduction of the vihuela into Spanish Neapolitan provinces helped the spread of the Italian viola da mano, but where does Francesco da Milano come in? Did he have a connection with the south? Or did the instrument spread to the north as well? How popular was the viola da mano? Any other publications for it? And can anyone flesh out the story of one of the d'Este family ordering a 'Spanish viola da mano' but having to settle for an Italian one instead? I can't remember the facts. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Portuguese Baroque Guitar - mp3 files
2008/5/31 Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe this is of interest??? Are you going to Jack's later? Jack who? What are you talking about, Ed? Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] six-course guitar
My reading of Fernandiere has got me interested in the 6c guitar. I was lucky enough to play an original Pages, owned by Jim Westbrook, and thought 'Hmm...I fancy one of these!' - but put it on the back burner. The question is - what repertoire exists specifically for it? We know that Sor and Aguado used them when they were young men. Moretti, of course - but not repertoire pieces. And of course the string quartets plus guitar of Boccherini. Has anyone here got a 6c? Rob MacKillop www.songoftherose.co.uk -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: six-course guitar
I mentioned the Boccherini in my initial email, but I called them string quartets plus guitar - quintets, of course. Jacob Lindberg recorded them as well. 2008/5/31 Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What about Boccherini's quintets? I think Jose Miguel Moreno has recorded them on a six-couse guitar. I have also heard Rolf Lislevand perform the Fandango quintet on a five-course baroque guitar, and it worked. Maybe its even HIP. Are My reading of Fernandiere has got me interested in the 6c guitar. I was lucky enough to play an original Pages, owned by Jim Westbrook, and thought 'Hmm...I fancy one of these!' - but put it on the back burner. The question is - what repertoire exists specifically for it? We know that Sor and Aguado used them when they were young men. Moretti, of course - but not repertoire pieces. And of course the string quartets plus guitar of Boccherini. Has anyone here got a 6c? Rob MacKillop www.songoftherose.co.uk -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[VIHUELA] Re: six-course guitar
12 sontas - sounds interesting. Are they good pieces? Rob 2008/5/31 Eloy Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, Monica is right, there are 2 mss of Vargas y Guzman, one from 1773, that has some minuets and other dances, and one from 1776, with 12 sonatas, all for 6 c. guitar and continuo Best eloy To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[VIHUELA] Re: six-course guitar
Hi Jelma, Interesting...I don't know Mariano de Ledesma. I look forward to your recording! Yes, I'm sure both instruments co-existed for some time. In fact, according to the Tecla edition I have of the Fernandiere book, the same year, 1799, saw the publication of the *Escuela para tocar con perfeccion la guitarra de cinco y seis ordenes* by Abreay and Prieto - both instruments in one book. The seven-course Sanguino replica looks amazing. You couldn't play that with a beer belly! Ah, too many instruments and not enough money...tis ever thus. Rob 2008/5/31 Jelma van Amersfoort [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Rob and Monica I am VERY interested in 6 course guitars too. I am in the early stages of commissioning a Pages replica from a Dutch guitar maker. I suppose you could play all the Spanish guitar songs on them from between 1760 and 1820: Sor, Moretti, but there are more interesting composers like Salvador Castro and Mariano de Ledesma. My theory is that the 6 course and 6 string guitar co-existed for quite some time, and a lot of the repertoire can be played on either instrument. And you could play basso continuo repertoire too. I think that the pieces that were played on a 6 course had no special indication '6 course', as opposed to 6 string, but are among the pieces we play already. Just like in the transitional music by Porro, Merchi and others, it is not indicated if the music is to be played on a 5 course or on a 5 string guitar. And slightly off topic: guitar maker Martin de Witte from Den Haag made a 7 course Sanguino 1759 replica a few years ago (http://www.martindewitte.nl/guitars.php). I played that guitar and it was fabulous, though very bulky. We used it in an ensemble of several guitar and singers in one of my early guitar workshops, and the low B 7th course really enhanced the accompaniment. Jelma van Amersfoort On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a 6-course - but one of the Vargas y Guzman mss. includes some pieces which are presumably for such. Monica - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuela vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] six-course guitar My reading of Fernandiere has got me interested in the 6c guitar. I was lucky enough to play an original Pages, owned by Jim Westbrook, and thought 'Hmm...I fancy one of these!' - but put it on the back burner. The question is - what repertoire exists specifically for it? We know that Sor and Aguado used them when they were young men. Moretti, of course - but not repertoire pieces. And of course the string quartets plus guitar of Boccherini. Has anyone here got a 6c? Rob MacKillop www.songoftherose.co.uk -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[VIHUELA] Re: strumming near the bridge
Well, of course, Monica, the playing between rose and neck is well established and very much in practise today. I was bringing to light the practice of strumming near the bridge. I think playing near the neck is fine for all those thousands of alfabeto songs - and as Arto ably demonstrates in his video. But my gut (-string) instinct is that players of a rougher sort strummed near the bridge, and Fernandiere indicates, reluctantly, that I am right. Moanica (!) seems to be keeping the spirit of disdain alive in her choice of words: ''I suspect the operative words here are in barber style. Me, I can rough it with the worst of them before heading off to Versailles to play with Marie Antoinette, if you get my drift... Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: strumming near the bridge
Barber surgeon? What an interesting combination! Rob 2008/5/31 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well - Granata was a barber surgeon - so you are in excellent company! Monica - Original Message - *From:* Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu *Sent:* Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [VIHUELA] strumming near the bridge Well, of course, Monica, the playing between rose and neck is well established and very much in practise today. I was bringing to light the practice of strumming near the bridge. I think playing near the neck is fine for all those thousands of alfabeto songs - and as Arto ably demonstrates in his video. But my gut (-string) instinct is that players of a rougher sort strummed near the bridge, and Fernandiere indicates, reluctantly, that I am right. Moanica (!) seems to be keeping the spirit of disdain alive in her choice of words: ''I suspect the operative words here are in barber style. Me, I can rough it with the worst of them before heading off to Versailles to play with Marie Antoinette, if you get my drift... Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: two vihuelas
Maestro, they are beautiful and should be snapped up! Rob MacKillop 2008/5/31 Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My latest vihuela projects: http://www.vihuelademano.com/vihuelas/pages/flutedback-vihuela-inAG.htm http://www.vihuelademano.com/vihuelas/pages/flutedback-vihuela-inE.htm --- Alexander To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[VIHUELA] Vimeo Lutes and Early Guitars Video Channel
With more people appreciating the audio and visual quality of the Vimeo site over YouTube, I've created a Vimeo Channel - one page bringing together all the Vimeo videos with lutes and early guitars. I urge all those of us who have videos to upload them to Vimeo, then inform me and I'll link them to the Lutes and Early Guitars Channel, which is: http://www.vimeo.com/Francesco Visitors welcome. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] strumming near the bridge
A couple of people have emailed me questioning my strumming near the bridge. My first response would be to say, 'just because it isn't mentioned in the didactic literature doesn't mean it wasn't done', but today I found some supporting evidence. Fernando Fernadiere's iArte De Tocar La Guitarra Espanola/i might be considered a late source, 1799, and for a six-course instrument. However, the 6c guitar was a new-fangled instrument, and the five-course guitar was still very much alive. Discussing right-hand technique, he says: ''The right hand is placed fairly firmly very close to the sound-hole, because that is where a sweet and agreeable tone is obtained; and not next to the bridge, which is where it is commonly strummed and played in barber-style''. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Strumming Tips video
Somone asked me about my strumming techniques so I've added a video on strumming the baroque guitar here: http://www.vimeo.com/robmackillop/videos It's more MacKillop than Corbetta, but you might get something out of it. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Portuguese Baroque Guitar - mp3 files
Dear all, I've recorded five pieces from the Coimbra manuscript - they can be found on my www.songoftherose.co.uk site, or just click on the following links for each one. I think these are WONDERFUL pieces and should be more popular. Rogerio Budasz did the main work transcribing these pieces from the original manuscript as part of his doctoral dissertation: *The Five-Course Guitar (Viola) In Portugal and Brazil in the Late Seventeenth and Early Eighteenth Centuries,* 2001. The pieces are notated without time signals and are often a little odd in places, clearly stemming from a tradition of improvisation. I've arranged them as best I could. Canario - http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/mp3/bg/portugal/Canario.mp3 - good enough to rival Sanz's? Almost! Chacara de Abreau - http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/mp3/bg/portugal/Chacara%20de%20Abreau.mp3 - a jacaras Tricotte de Alemanda - http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/mp3/bg/portugal/Tricotte.mp3 - NOT an allemande Meya Danca - http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/mp3/bg/portugal/Meya%20Danca.mp3 Terantela - http://www.songoftherose.co.uk/mp3/bg/portugal/Terantela.mp3 * Terantela* has only four bars of chords and one variation, to which I have added four more. I've enjoyed playing them, and hope you enjoy hearing them. Please don't ask me for scores as I am not sure of the legal implications. They are my arrangements, but Rogerio Budasz did the transcribing. Rob MacKillop PS I will put them on the vihuela/guitar network site soon. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] videos
I've added four videos - one lute, three baroque guitar - to the vimeo site. This is my first attempt at making a video - not something I enjoyed too much! My first take - the sound was terrible, so I set the computer up and recorded with a mic in to the laptop at the same time as recording the video. Then in Windows Movie Maker I had to take out the audio from the video and install and line up the mp3 track which I had boosted the volume of and added a tiny bit of reverb. It sounded ok. Then I uploaded the lot to vimeo and also to the lute and baroque guitar networks. The uploads did not go so well. One of the videos would not upload. The others did, but not the little picture for the video icon for clicking on...The sound is a little weird too...not what I heard on my computer before upload...And I should mention there was 20 minutes of my performance which did not get recorded - I never noticed the video tape had run out...Geez, I need to go for a long walk! Still, I hope you get something from these efforts. Was it worth it? Probably not! Go to www.vimeo.com and search for MacKillop. Rob MacKillop PS Excuse the cross posting... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini made simple
Thank you La Monica - you are a star... Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] These new network sites
So what do we think of the new 'social network' sites? There is one for lute, one for cittern and one for early guitars/vihuelas. Some have written to me saying they are worried that this list might stop running, but I don't agree. The questions on the Forum of the network sites are generally different in kind, less 'academic', one might say, more social, and some people have contributed there who have not done so here. So I have no fear that the lists will disappear. What the network sites are good at is sharing soundfiles, pictures and scores, and people seem to contact each other more readily when they can see a photograph of the person they are writing to. The Music Player is interesting. Each member has his/her own. You can upload your own soundfiles and have it playing when people visit your My Page. But you can also import soundfiles from other people's pages. I even managed to put my Music Player on my own website. I've been wondering how to do this for some time. Instead of playing one file at a time, you can hear (should you want to, of course!) the whole lot with just one click - then minimise the page while you work on other things. I imagine more players will use this feature in time. See www.songoftherose.co.uk - scroll down the main page. Lots of interesting videos beginning to appear, imported from You Tube - nice to have them all in one place. I've really enjoyed looking at all the images of lutes that have appeared on the photos page - many I haven't seen before, and comments are welcome, leading to discussion. So, I think these networks have their place and are most welcome. But I am happy to still read and enquire on this list. Hopefully both can live in harmony together. I'm sure they can. Discuss... Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] new network site
Ever one to jump on a bandwagon... The Lute and Baroque Lute lists now have a useful network site, as does the cittern crowd. Now we have the vihuela-baroque guitar social network website: http://earlyguitar.ning.com/ What is there? Well, you can discuss things in a forum, upload photos, pdf files, videos, mp3 files, have your own blog. You have to log in for your first visit. The lute and cittern sites seem to have become popular very quickly. Will it replace this forum? I doubt it, but some might find it more enjoyable. I've also extended the timeline to pre-Torres guitars. It will be useful to have all our sound files, scores, illustrations on one site. If it doesn't work, I'll take it offline in a month's time. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
