Re: Integration of Vim

[Francisco Lopes]

Hi, this topic has been dead for ages already but I ended up finding it by 
accident due to a related discussion happening elsewhere.

So, I'd just like to share NeoVim as a pretty good solution for this, since it 
was born with embedding in mind, and has been used with success in GUI 
implementations and for extensions in popular IDEs, breaking barriers and 
providing novel forms of vi-like modes in other environments.

No interest in reviving a debate, this message is just for your information.

Cheers

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Re: Integration of Vim

[Wynand Marais]

Yeh that is true, It was my first preference because it's an editor that I
like, but the overall complexity of integrating it suggest that it'll
probably best to start looking at alternatives. I'm still hopeful that the
client-server design will work as expected.

Cheers
-Wynand

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Re: Integration of Vim

[crimson]

It seems that vim is not designed to be an editor component and too
advanced to be a game engine script editor.
So I suggest another choice - scintilla.
Scintilla is a free source code editing component. It comes with
complete source code and a license that permits use in any free
project or commercial product.
Scintilla is writen in C++ and used as editor component in many
editors like SciTE, Nodepad++, etc.
You can find it on http://www.scintilla.org/

B.G.

On 10月11日, 下午2时38分, Wynand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wrote a game engine with embedded script engines and would like to
> integrate vim as the primary editor for the scripts and other
> functions. I googled it for several days now and cant really come up
> with anything useful, I also downloaded the source and found it quite
> overwhelming at first glance. Is there any documentation on how to
> interface with Vim, or any C/C++ libraries that I can use to do so?
> i.e libVim or similar?


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Re: Integration of Vim

[Wynand Marais]

>Try reading

>:help clientserver

Finished reading that just now cheers for the pointer. I haven't dug around
enough yet to find the --remote-send option in the source yet. I figure that
I'll need to dedicate some time for writing some test applications.
Shouldn't get to carried away, still have evil evil exams to study for :(.


This is pretty simple but still, with  --remote-send and --remote-expr you
can get some quite advanced "remote control" done.

This is starting to look better and better :)

 
 --windowid  Open Vim inside another win32 widget
 --socketid  Open Vim inside another win32 widget
 

I'm trying to maintain a high level of portability with the engine, so I'm
not sure how well a process that relies on retrieving the window handles
will integrate into to system in regards to portability and
consistency (i.ealgorithmic complexity, performance etc).

Cheers
Wynand

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Re: Integration of Vim

[krischik]

On 11 Okt., 13:54, "Wynand Marais" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow, Thanks for everyone's feedback :), there are some great ideas on how to
> get started. I particularly like the idea of running it as a server.
>
> > 2) You start the GUI version as Vim-Server. Used by gvimplugin [2].

communication using the --remote options:


   --remoteEditiere  in einem Vim-Server falls
möglich
   --remote-silent   Dasselbe ohne Warnung, wenn kein Server
vorhanden ist
   --remote-wait   Wie --remote, aber warte, bis die
 editiert wurden
   --remote-wait-silent   Dasselbe ohne Warnung, wenn kein
Server vorhanden ist
   --remote-tab   Wie --remote, aber öffne ein Tab für jede
Datei
   --remote-send  Schicke  zu einem Vim Server und beende
   --remote-expr  Führe  in einem Vim-Server
aus und drucke das Ergebnis
   --serverlist Drucke verfügbare Vim-Server-Namen und beende
   --servername   Benutze den Vim-Server 


This is pretty simple but still, with  --remote-send and --remote-expr
you can get some quite advanced "remote control" done.

The way it works is first start a server gvim with:


gvim --servername "Server Name" --remote-silent "File Name"


and then you send command to the server. Of example you can end the
server again with:


gvim --servername "Server Name" --remote-send ':xa'


or the following command will tell you if the file has been modified:


gvim --servername "Server Name" --remote-expr '&modified'


Since the gvim sending the command won't read any plugins performance
is quite ok.

> > 3) You start the GUI version as a Netbeans-Server. Used by eeedit [3].

Never used that but it seems quite powerful and with the (only one of
them)


--windowid  Open Vim inside another win32 widget
 --socketid  Open Vim inside another win32 widget


you can even embed inside in you application.

Martin


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Re: Integration of Vim

[Ben Schmidt]

> Wow, Thanks for everyone's feedback :), there are some great ideas on 
> how to get started. I particularly like the idea of running it as a server.
> 
>  > 2) You start the GUI version as Vim-Server. Used by gvimplugin [2].
>  > 3) You start the GUI version as a Netbeans-Server. Used by eeedit [3].
> 
> The next question that remains is then how you go about talking to the 
> server. I started looking at the source code for [3] and it doesn't seem 
> excessively hard, but I'd rather not count my chickens till they hatched.

Try reading

:help clientserver

for a start. Once you can get Vim itself to do what you need, you should be 
able 
to make something else. E.g. find the code that implements the --remote-send 
option and integrate it into your application.

Smiles,

Ben.




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Re: Integration of Vim

[Wynand Marais]

Wow, Thanks for everyone's feedback :), there are some great ideas on how to
get started. I particularly like the idea of running it as a server.

> 2) You start the GUI version as Vim-Server. Used by gvimplugin [2].
> 3) You start the GUI version as a Netbeans-Server. Used by eeedit [3].

The next question that remains is then how you go about talking to the
server. I started looking at the source code for [3] and it doesn't seem
excessively hard, but I'd rather not count my chickens till they hatched.

-Wynand

On 10/11/07, krischik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 11 Okt., 08:38, Wynand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I hope this is the right discussion board for the question.
> >
> > I wrote a game engine with embedded script engines and would like to
> > integrate vim as the primary editor for the scripts and other
> > functions. I googled it for several days now and cant really come up
> > with anything useful, I also downloaded the source and found it quite
> > overwhelming at first glance. Is there any documentation on how to
> > interface with Vim, or any C/C++ libraries that I can use to do so?
> > i.e libVim or similar?
> >
> > This is meant to run inside a virtual console (like the quake console)
> > which receive all IO events primarily including mouse and keyboard
> > events.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have no idea where to
> > start.
>
> Vim is usually integrated by starting a Vim and "remote control" it.
> The following options are open:
>
> 1) You start the console version inside a terminal emulator. Used by
> vimplugin [1].
> 2) You start the GUI version as Vim-Server. Used by gvimplugin [2].
> 3) You start the GUI version as a Netbeans-Server. Used by eeedit [3].
>
> Note that the 3 projects mentioned currently merge - with eeedit /
> Netbeans as base. It can just do the coolest stuff - just look at the
> screen shot:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/eeedit/wiki/ScreenShots
>
> Martin
>
> [vimplugin]: http://vimplugin.sourceforge.net/wiki/pmwiki.php
> [gvimplugin]:
> http://vimplugin.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/vimplugin/branches/gvimplugin/
> [eeedit]: http://code.google.com/p/eeedit/
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Integration of Vim

[krischik]

On 11 Okt., 08:38, Wynand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I hope this is the right discussion board for the question.
>
> I wrote a game engine with embedded script engines and would like to
> integrate vim as the primary editor for the scripts and other
> functions. I googled it for several days now and cant really come up
> with anything useful, I also downloaded the source and found it quite
> overwhelming at first glance. Is there any documentation on how to
> interface with Vim, or any C/C++ libraries that I can use to do so?
> i.e libVim or similar?
>
> This is meant to run inside a virtual console (like the quake console)
> which receive all IO events primarily including mouse and keyboard
> events.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have no idea where to
> start.

Vim is usually integrated by starting a Vim and "remote control" it.
The following options are open:

1) You start the console version inside a terminal emulator. Used by
vimplugin [1].
2) You start the GUI version as Vim-Server. Used by gvimplugin [2].
3) You start the GUI version as a Netbeans-Server. Used by eeedit [3].

Note that the 3 projects mentioned currently merge - with eeedit /
Netbeans as base. It can just do the coolest stuff - just look at the
screen shot:

http://code.google.com/p/eeedit/wiki/ScreenShots

Martin

[vimplugin]: http://vimplugin.sourceforge.net/wiki/pmwiki.php
[gvimplugin]: 
http://vimplugin.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/vimplugin/branches/gvimplugin/
[eeedit]: http://code.google.com/p/eeedit/



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Re: Integration of Vim

[SM Smithfield]

I have a similar interest. I want to integrate vim with a smalltalk  
environment. I have also looked into vim's codebase. Where to start?

It seems like that it would be very useful to have:

A way to have a buffer that is async linked to a source that is not a  
file, but behaves like one.

And

A way to send async messages. There are so many ways to do that, e.g.  
via a tmp file, via pipes. I favor tcp.

It seems like this vimshell and slim-vim (recently somewhat deceased)  
would benefit from the addition of something like this to vim as well.

If I had any idea where to start, I would have already. Is there a  
"heartbeat" like cursor flashing, off of which this could piggy-back?

I would really love to be able to extend this async treatment to all  
of the scripting interpreters that vim already supports.

If there were a clean way to do this, vim could have a slime-like env  
for 6 different languages rather quickly. And that would be cool.


On Oct 11, 2007, at 2:38 AM, Wynand wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I hope this is the right discussion board for the question.
>
> I wrote a game engine with embedded script engines and would like to
> integrate vim as the primary editor for the scripts and other
> functions. I googled it for several days now and cant really come up
> with anything useful, I also downloaded the source and found it quite
> overwhelming at first glance. Is there any documentation on how to
> interface with Vim, or any C/C++ libraries that I can use to do so?
> i.e libVim or similar?
>
> This is meant to run inside a virtual console (like the quake console)
> which receive all IO events primarily including mouse and keyboard
> events.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have no idea where to
> start.
>
> Thanks
> Wynand
>
>
> >


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Re: Integration of Vim

[Nico Weber]

Hi Wynand,

> This is meant to run inside a virtual console (like the quake console)
> which receive all IO events primarily including mouse and keyboard
> events.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have no idea where to
> start.

this is not easily possible, there's no libVim. And even if you're  
willing to modify vim's source, it will be a lot of work because vim  
insists on "owning" the main loop (ie, code execution sits in vim and  
it just calls its gui parts every now and then). This is not what you  
want when you're writing a game.

One thing you could try would be running vim in a separate process  
and talk to it via IPC. To do this, you could add a new GUI to vim  
which does nothing but forward drawing commands etc to your app and  
receives key input commands from your app. MacVim takes this  
approach, you can take a look at it's modifications to vim's source  
for some ideas ( http://code.google.com/p/macvim/ ). Short overview:  
MacVim/gui_macvim.m implements the gui functions vim is going to call  
and forwards them to a MMBackend, which uses OS X' IPC mechanism to  
send them to another process. Apart from that, you only need to look  
at the required modifications to vim's core (macvim-*-patch.tar.gz in  
the downloads section). But it's still a lot of work.

Sorry for the bad news :-|

Nico


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Integration of Vim

[Wynand]

Hi

I hope this is the right discussion board for the question.

I wrote a game engine with embedded script engines and would like to
integrate vim as the primary editor for the scripts and other
functions. I googled it for several days now and cant really come up
with anything useful, I also downloaded the source and found it quite
overwhelming at first glance. Is there any documentation on how to
interface with Vim, or any C/C++ libraries that I can use to do so?
i.e libVim or similar?

This is meant to run inside a virtual console (like the quake console)
which receive all IO events primarily including mouse and keyboard
events.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have no idea where to
start.

Thanks
Wynand


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