Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
On Jul 24, 5:42 pm, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: By the way, see the message above? See how the quoted text is trimmed? See how there's no sign of the list footer quoted? See how the thread of the message flows downward in the order that people read? This is how to post a readable message. Your top posted messages in which ** YOU FAIL TO TRIM ANY QUOTED TEXT AT ALL** are rude and inconsiderate to other members of the list. Maybe you should be blaming the software vendors whose mail clients invite users to post this way by positioning the cursor *above* the quoted reply, They certainly popularized and contributed to the problem, but people have the ability with a tiny bit of effort to be considerate. I don't like top-posting either, My main point, which others seem to miss, was the excess quoted text. He quoted everything including the list footer. I only mentioned the top posting because that typically leads to the incredibly inconsiderate practice of quoting without trimming. but your response was inappropriate. You may be right. I was certain that Britt had been told about this before, but perhaps I was mistaken and this was the first time. If so, I apologize. I should have sent a private message instead. I've been reading this list for a long time and notice that every single one of his messages always contains all the text from any previous messages. Apparently, I reached some tipping point, but you're right, I should have acted more reservedly if that was indeed the first time. Flaming people for being ignorant was something you could get away with a couple decades ago On LEMlists there is no ignorance excuse. The guidelines you agree that you have read when you sign up clearly instruct folks to trim quoted text. If you really want people to stop top-posting, get Google, Apple, and whoever else to fix their email clients. As long as there are folks who consider it their right to be inconsiderate, that will be a lost battle. The clients contribute, but the apologists who try to justify not taking a moment to make their messages readable are the real problem. Jeff Walther -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
At 06:33 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- Norton Utilities are OK for working with non-Apple disks but they are terrible with the background features that are automatic. Boot the SE from a floppy to see if Norton has mucked up your disk. Your Classic sounds like an analog board with bad solder joints. Look at the larger pins that penetrate the board for cracks. A jeweler's loupe helps. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: At 06:33 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- Norton Utilities are OK for working with non-Apple disks but they are terrible with the background features that are automatic. Boot the SE from a floppy to see if Norton has mucked up your disk. Your Classic sounds like an analog board with bad solder joints. Look at the larger pins that penetrate the board for cracks. A jeweler's loupe helps. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- May not be the end all but I've cleaned a lot of the old analog boards with a toothbrush and Windex and was able to stabilize the CRT's. But if you see some bad solder joints by all means touch them up with just a hot iron and paste flux. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Booting from or replacing old Mac HDD w/SCSI zip drive?
On 7/24/11 6:49 PM, GuyWithGuitars countjim...@gmail.com wrote: I just got a pretty sweet deal on a zip drive. Has anyone had success or is it possible to use the zip drive is place of an HDD on a classic Mac? I used to boot from a zip drive all the time (up to OS 7.6). But it is best as a fall back to use when necessary. You really should have a HD too. Chuck -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Jeff Walther t...@prismnet.com wrote: On Jul 24, 5:42 pm, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: If you really want people to stop top-posting, get Google, Apple, and whoever else to fix their email clients. As long as there are folks who consider it their right to be inconsiderate, that will be a lost battle. The clients contribute, but the apologists who try to justify not taking a moment to make their messages readable are the real problem. It is conceivable that someone who uses gmail exclusively through the web client is unaware that other email clients do not auto-hide quoted text... the defaults for the web gmail will look considerate enough for other web gmail users, with gmail replacing all quoted text in a top-posted reply with Show quote text hyperlink which will auto-expand into the full quoted text but suppress it's display by default. Gmail has been around for 7 years at this point, so maybe there are people who know nothing else... ? (Disclosure: I grew up on the internet in the early '90s, spent quite some time on Usenet, and picked up 'good' nettique there... but I have a feeling there are more 'new timers' than 'old timers' now...) - Nate -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Jeff Walther t...@prismnet.com wrote: On Jul 24, 5:42 pm, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: If you really want people to stop top-posting, get Google, Apple, and whoever else to fix their email clients. As long as there are folks who consider it their right to be inconsiderate, that will be a lost battle. The clients contribute, but the apologists who try to justify not taking a moment to make their messages readable are the real problem. I was a very early gmail user, long, long before it was released, while invitations came five at a time, at most. I filed the bug for positioning for topposting. The bug was acknowledged, but, obviously, never fixed :( -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
John and Doug: Thank you for the comments. As I research a bit more about Classic, it might be a problem with power supply system. In any rate, I will plan to clean and check the joints. However, as for SE, I just could not see HD, even I boot up with floppy. Any thoughts??? On Jul 25, 1:18 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: At 06:33 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- Norton Utilities are OK for working with non-Apple disks but they are terrible with the background features that are automatic. Boot the SE from a floppy to see if Norton has mucked up your disk. Your Classic sounds like an analog board with bad solder joints. Look at the larger pins that penetrate the board for cracks. A jeweler's loupe helps. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- May not be the end all but I've cleaned a lot of the old analog boards with a toothbrush and Windex and was able to stabilize the CRT's. But if you see some bad solder joints by all means touch them up with just a hot iron and paste flux. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
Doug: I will check and clean the joint for Classic. I suspect power supply system might be a problem. As for SE, I can boot up with floppy with system 6.04 but it does not see HD at all. I used HD set up but it did not see HD at all. Any thoughts??? On Jul 25, 12:55 pm, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: At 06:33 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- Norton Utilities are OK for working with non-Apple disks but they are terrible with the background features that are automatic. Boot the SE from a floppy to see if Norton has mucked up your disk. Your Classic sounds like an analog board with bad solder joints. Look at the larger pins that penetrate the board for cracks. A jeweler's loupe helps. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
I was a very early gmail user, long, long before it was released, while invitations came five at a time, at most. I filed the bug for positioning for topposting. The bug was acknowledged, but, obviously, never fixed :( -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. I am also a long-time Gmail user too. Now that I know what the rules are and how the replies go, Its really not that difficult to make those changes. This was the first notice I got from this list about top-posting, and I've made the proper corrections. Rules are rules, and i'm able to make do with gmail. The point was made in a rather obscure way, but I've resolved my mistakes. - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
Let's be clear... There is no LEM netiquette rule requiring (or even suggesting) bottom posting. There have been numerous discussions on the subject the result of which is that it is up to the individual to decide which method to use. As one who even did a little messaging from Argonne (East) to Argonne (West) back in the early 80's... I certainly understand the pros and cons of them both and utilize the method which seems to fit the need of the moment (typically top posting if it is a single reply message, inline bottom posting if there are multiple points with discrete answers). That said... You do need to do some trimming when replying to a message (pay attention to the little footer which is added automatically to every message). Quoting LEM netiquette: * Please quote only the relevant portion of messages you respond to - and please quote some of the original message so others know what you're responding to. You shouldn't have to wade through gobs of extraneous stuff to get to the meat of the message. You should include just enough to provide a context for the message and no more. (Peter Kimble, my high school CS teacher, now gives his students the rule of thumb that at least half of the lines in an email message should be their own.) (A Beginner's Guide to Effective Email by Kaitlin Duck Sherwood) Quoting sparingly does require manual work, since most email programs automatically quote the [whole] original message in replies. But failing to edit the original wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. (Adam C. Engst, TidBITS #480.) * Derek List Nanny -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
Try plugging and unplugging the HD (yes, it's lame, but...) Try the HD on a different computer. Oh, and delete Norton. There's one virus that does any damage to pre-OSX macs, and unless you like your Hypercard, you won't get it. Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:08 PM, hitoshi uji...@philau.edu wrote: Doug: I will check and clean the joint for Classic. I suspect power supply system might be a problem. As for SE, I can boot up with floppy with system 6.04 but it does not see HD at all. I used HD set up but it did not see HD at all. Any thoughts??? On Jul 25, 12:55 pm, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: At 06:33 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- Norton Utilities are OK for working with non-Apple disks but they are terrible with the background features that are automatic. Boot the SE from a floppy to see if Norton has mucked up your disk. Your Classic sounds like an analog board with bad solder joints. Look at the larger pins that penetrate the board for cracks. A jeweler's loupe helps. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Performa 630CD system
The kids pulled out my old Mac Performa and want to use it for games, but it apparently needs the system reinstalled (blinking question mark icon on startup). Can't find the system disk, or anything else that came with it, but there are games on the hard drive, and a few old games on floppies. Would happily reiumburse for all costs if someone could copy a system 7 or 8 disk, somewhere in there, and send it to me. Can't download, as the machine won't work with our Internet (or at least I can't get it to work). Can anybody help? -Jim -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
Todd, Are you suggesting this for the Performa problem I listed? I have no idea how to do it, so it may not matter. Just want to make sure it was directed to me, since the rest of the thread seems to be about someone's SE. -jasphoward On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com wrote: Try plugging and unplugging the HD (yes, it's lame, but...) Try the HD on a different computer. Oh, and delete Norton. There's one virus that does any damage to pre-OSX macs, and unless you like your Hypercard, you won't get it. Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:08 PM, hitoshi uji...@philau.edu wrote: Doug: I will check and clean the joint for Classic. I suspect power supply system might be a problem. As for SE, I can boot up with floppy with system 6.04 but it does not see HD at all. I used HD set up but it did not see HD at all. Any thoughts??? On Jul 25, 12:55 pm, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: At 06:33 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- Norton Utilities are OK for working with non-Apple disks but they are terrible with the background features that are automatic. Boot the SE from a floppy to see if Norton has mucked up your disk. Your Classic sounds like an analog board with bad solder joints. Look at the larger pins that penetrate the board for cracks. A jeweler's loupe helps. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
At 12:08 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: Doug: I will check and clean the joint for Classic. I suspect power supply system might be a problem. As for SE, I can boot up with floppy with system 6.04 but it does not see HD at all. I used HD set up but it did not see HD at all. One more useful result. It boots from a floppy. That's a good sign that the power supply is OK. It just might be a failure of the hard disk. Is there a disk tools floppy around? If so try booting from that. Also, take the cover off and hold your hand on the disk. Is it spinning? Is it getting warm - it should. Stiction, thickness of the grease on the main bearing which is well inside can be a problem with old disks that have been idle for a while. Magic wrist motion spinning the whole box that is the disk with sudden stops often helps. It's an art. The disk needs +5 and + 12 volts on the 4 pin connector. are they there? $2.65 for a suitable voltmeter at Harbor Freight this weekend. Is the SCSI ribbon cable secure at both ends? If you have anything else plugged into the external SCSI port remove it for testing. I have never seen a disk messed up with Norton so badly that it won't mount but I guess it's conceivable. The first sector just has to work, but that's all . -- --A flashlight: is a metal tube used to store dead dry cells. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
I had an original (1984) system floppy and tried booting up with that, knowing it was a dubious prospect. No go. The research I've done to this point suggests that the Performa 630CD came with its system disk on CD. I wondered about a keyboard command on startup (like the old rebuild the desktop one), but as we haven't yet located the keyboard... -Jas P. Howard On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.comwrote: At 12:08 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: Doug: I will check and clean the joint for Classic. I suspect power supply system might be a problem. As for SE, I can boot up with floppy with system 6.04 but it does not see HD at all. I used HD set up but it did not see HD at all. One more useful result. It boots from a floppy. That's a good sign that the power supply is OK. It just might be a failure of the hard disk. Is there a disk tools floppy around? If so try booting from that. Also, take the cover off and hold your hand on the disk. Is it spinning? Is it getting warm - it should. Stiction, thickness of the grease on the main bearing which is well inside can be a problem with old disks that have been idle for a while. Magic wrist motion spinning the whole box that is the disk with sudden stops often helps. It's an art. The disk needs +5 and + 12 volts on the 4 pin connector. are they there? $2.65 for a suitable voltmeter at Harbor Freight this weekend. Is the SCSI ribbon cable secure at both ends? If you have anything else plugged into the external SCSI port remove it for testing. I have never seen a disk messed up with Norton so badly that it won't mount but I guess it's conceivable. The first sector just has to work, but that's all . -- --A flashlight: is a metal tube used to store dead dry cells. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
On 07/25/2011 05:40 PM, Jim Howard wrote: I had an original (1984) system floppy and tried booting up with that, knowing it was a dubious prospect. No go. The research I've done to this point suggests that the Performa 630CD came with its system disk on CD. I wondered about a keyboard command on startup (like the old rebuild the desktop one), but as we haven't yet located the keyboard... -Jas P. Howard I had one new back in 1994, the OS (7.1.2P) did in fact come on a 630-specific restore CD. On the bright side, the 63x used an IDE drive so you should be able to plug the drive into pretty much any machine made between 1998 and 2008 and test it out. -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: IIci vs. SSD
A... That is reasonable. I (finally) was able to get some numbers for the IIfx... Using MacBench 2: Stock IIfx set to 100% DayStar NuBus RAMDrive : 436% Quantum Rushmore (built-in SCSI) : 335% Quantum Rushmore (JackHammer 16bit) : 279% Have you tried running the ultra-wide SCSI-IDE adapter internally with an 8-bit host to 16-bit device adapter? If it works you might (should I would think) get better performance and free up a NuBus slot. My internal performance testing caused me to abandon purchasing Jackhammer drives years ago (after I had picked up 4 or 5). I use adapters all the time with a wide variety of drives and they usually do the trick! Derek On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Andy Stocker wrote: The reason for the speed difference has more to do with the 2 scsi-IDE adapters I have. The acard is ultra-wide 68 pin (hence the need for the jackhammer), while the mystery brand adapter is...SCSI 1. The iici's onboard scsi may be faster than the jackhammer, but my 50 pin scsi-IDE adapter is dog slow. All I needed to do for CFbooting was to format it with HD Toolkit Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Derek Morton thes...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Andy Stocker wrote: The same cf card also works with a mystery brand scsi to IDE adapter I bought on eBay, using the iici's onboard scsi. I just use the ultra wide acard adapter and jackhammer because they're faster Sent from my iPhone Really?!?! I have found the exact opposite. Let me see about getting together some numbers I can share. My experience is that the onboard SCSI always (at least on the IIfx and my Quadras) outperforms Jackhammer SCSI (wide) when dealing with non-spinning drives. If memory serves, the ATTO SE-IV is faster than the Jackhammer, but not significantly and there was some issue about bootability... Though the details escape me at the moment. As to the IIci working with a CF... Perhaps I have a messed up IIci. It doesn't seem to work with anything apart from a real spinning hard drive. More investigation is clearly in order. Derek -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Two problems Mac Classic and MAC SE FDHD
Actually for the guy whose SE couldn't recognize his HDD. Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jim Howard jasphow...@gmail.com wrote: Todd, Are you suggesting this for the Performa problem I listed? I have no idea how to do it, so it may not matter. Just want to make sure it was directed to me, since the rest of the thread seems to be about someone's SE. -jasphoward On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com wrote: Try plugging and unplugging the HD (yes, it's lame, but...) Try the HD on a different computer. Oh, and delete Norton. There's one virus that does any damage to pre-OSX macs, and unless you like your Hypercard, you won't get it. Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:08 PM, hitoshi uji...@philau.edu wrote: Doug: I will check and clean the joint for Classic. I suspect power supply system might be a problem. As for SE, I can boot up with floppy with system 6.04 but it does not see HD at all. I used HD set up but it did not see HD at all. Any thoughts??? On Jul 25, 12:55 pm, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: At 06:33 -0700 7/25/11, hitoshi wrote: I need helps here for 2 problems. 1. Mac Classic. When I turned on two sides of the screen wobble and keep on changing patterns. After a while, it sometime start up. What would be the problems for this? Is it display or HD? The system is 7.01. 2. Mac SE FDHD I have just gotten this and created a big mess. I run Norton 1.0 (came with the computer but I do not have a copy) and while is was running I shut down the computer. Since then I can not see the HD anymore. Any fix for this ? -- Norton Utilities are OK for working with non-Apple disks but they are terrible with the background features that are automatic. Boot the SE from a floppy to see if Norton has mucked up your disk. Your Classic sounds like an analog board with bad solder joints. Look at the larger pins that penetrate the board for cracks. A jeweler's loupe helps. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Performa 630CD system
Which mac performa? There were eleventy-billion different models of 'Performa'. Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Jasphoward jasphow...@gmail.com wrote: The kids pulled out my old Mac Performa and want to use it for games, but it apparently needs the system reinstalled (blinking question mark icon on startup). Can't find the system disk, or anything else that came with it, but there are games on the hard drive, and a few old games on floppies. Would happily reiumburse for all costs if someone could copy a system 7 or 8 disk, somewhere in there, and send it to me. Can't download, as the machine won't work with our Internet (or at least I can't get it to work). Can anybody help? -Jim -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
Incidentally, some other mac mailing lists that *do* have strict netiquette requirements are lists that me and a number of other people have stopped posting on, because it's far too much of a hassle to get harassed for every single posting (I think the iMac list even refuses to send your messages). Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Derek Morton thes...@comcast.net wrote: Let's be clear... There is no LEM netiquette rule requiring (or even suggesting) bottom posting. There have been numerous discussions on the subject the result of which is that it is up to the individual to decide which method to use. As one who even did a little messaging from Argonne (East) to Argonne (West) back in the early 80's... I certainly understand the pros and cons of them both and utilize the method which seems to fit the need of the moment (typically top posting if it is a single reply message, inline bottom posting if there are multiple points with discrete answers). That said... You do need to do some trimming when replying to a message (pay attention to the little footer which is added automatically to every message). Quoting LEM netiquette: * Please quote only the relevant portion of messages you respond to - and please quote some of the original message so others know what you're responding to. You shouldn't have to wade through gobs of extraneous stuff to get to the meat of the message. You should include just enough to provide a context for the message and no more. (Peter Kimble, my high school CS teacher, now gives his students the rule of thumb that at least half of the lines in an email message should be their own.) (A Beginner's Guide to Effective Email by Kaitlin Duck Sherwood) Quoting sparingly does require manual work, since most email programs automatically quote the [whole] original message in replies. But failing to edit the original wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. (Adam C. Engst, TidBITS #480.) * Derek List Nanny -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Booting from or replacing old Mac HDD w/SCSI zip drive?
is it possible to use the zip drive is place of an HDD on a classic Mac? Yup. I've booted my SE FDHD this way many times. After installing HFS on my Snow Leopard machine (not without its own issues, mind you), it made for a quick and easy way to get stuff from the internet to the SE without waiting 8 days for it to download over the ethernet bridge. -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Superdrive - need a bridge system from Plus to vMac
Hi, I'm trying to get some 800k disks and some data that's on my venerable Mac Plus (bought it new in 1987, 2.5M memory upgrade) into another computer, so I can run it on Mini vMac, to save wear on the Plus. To do this, I dug my PowerMac 6100 out of the basement and fired it up. But it promptly died. I'm hoping to find a system on Ebay with the old Superdrive that can handle both 800k and 1.4M disks, to do this job. Does anyone know where there's a list of all models with this drive, so I'll know what to bid on? I know it starts with the later SE, and my 6100 had one, but I don't know where it ends. Searching the net for this drive is difficult, because of course some other things were called Superdrive later on! Thanks! -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Performa 630CD system
630CD. Thanks for being interested. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com wrote: Which mac performa? There were eleventy-billion different models of 'Performa'. Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Jasphoward jasphow...@gmail.com wrote: The kids pulled out my old Mac Performa and want to use it for games, but it apparently needs the system reinstalled (blinking question mark icon on startup). Can't find the system disk, or anything else that came with it, but there are games on the hard drive, and a few old games on floppies. Would happily reiumburse for all costs if someone could copy a system 7 or 8 disk, somewhere in there, and send it to me. Can't download, as the machine won't work with our Internet (or at least I can't get it to work). Can anybody help? -Jim -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
Sorry, new to the group, joined to solve a very specific problem. No idea if any of what Todd and Derek are saying is addressed to me. If so, I don't understand it and wouldn't know bottom-posting from top-fermenting. If not, sorry again. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, some other mac mailing lists that *do* have strict netiquette requirements are lists that me and a number of other people have stopped posting on, because it's far too much of a hassle to get harassed for every single posting (I think the iMac list even refuses to send your messages). Todd Brayer toddbra...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Derek Morton thes...@comcast.net wrote: Let's be clear... There is no LEM netiquette rule requiring (or even suggesting) bottom posting. There have been numerous discussions on the subject the result of which is that it is up to the individual to decide which method to use. As one who even did a little messaging from Argonne (East) to Argonne (West) back in the early 80's... I certainly understand the pros and cons of them both and utilize the method which seems to fit the need of the moment (typically top posting if it is a single reply message, inline bottom posting if there are multiple points with discrete answers). That said... You do need to do some trimming when replying to a message (pay attention to the little footer which is added automatically to every message). Quoting LEM netiquette: * Please quote only the relevant portion of messages you respond to - and please quote some of the original message so others know what you're responding to. You shouldn't have to wade through gobs of extraneous stuff to get to the meat of the message. You should include just enough to provide a context for the message and no more. (Peter Kimble, my high school CS teacher, now gives his students the rule of thumb that at least half of the lines in an email message should be their own.) (A Beginner's Guide to Effective Email by Kaitlin Duck Sherwood) Quoting sparingly does require manual work, since most email programs automatically quote the [whole] original message in replies. But failing to edit the original wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. (Adam C. Engst, TidBITS #480.) * Derek List Nanny -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Jim Howard jasphow...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, new to the group, joined to solve a very specific problem. No idea if any of what Todd and Derek are saying is addressed to me. If so, I don't understand it and wouldn't know bottom-posting from top-fermenting. If not, sorry again. Top-posting is bad; top-fermenting is good--lager may be smoother, but loses so much flavor, so stick to ale. -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Las Vegas, NV 89109 -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Superdrive - need a bridge system from Plus to vMac
On Jul 25, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Zonebob wrote: I'm hoping to find a system on Ebay with the old Superdrive that can handle both 800k and 1.4M disks, to do this job. Does anyone know where there's a list of all models with this drive, so I'll know what to bid on? I know it starts with the later SE, and my 6100 had one, but I don't know where it ends. Searching the net for this drive is difficult, because of course some other things were called Superdrive later on! You need an SE FDHD, a Mac II with the equivalent floppy drive upgrade, or anything later that still has a built-in floppy drive. So, any 68030 or '040 Mac will work, as will any OldWorld Power Mac. I have no idea if a USB floppy drive will work or not. If you just want a small, cheap box that can do this, go for a Quadra 605 / Performa 475. If you want to a functioning Power Mac with decent performance, try a platinum[1] G3 system. Josh [1] Yes, platinum. Not beige. Does it look beige to you? No? Then stop calling it beige! -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
