Re: Is there any market for an old Performa that works well?

[Skip Press]

Correction - UPS GROUND SAVER is about $85

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-7 Skip Press wrote:

> I'm one hour north of Los Angeles. I just found out that UPS Ground 
> Advantage shipping gto Grand Rapids, MI (Darrell Taylor) would be only 
> about $85.
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 8:15:12 PM UTC-7 Ryan C. Underwood wrote:
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>> What's your location? 
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>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 07:54:15PM -0700, Skip Press wrote: 
>> > It has a 10G hard drive and I have a lot of software. I've kept it for 
>> > nostalgic purposes but would let it go to someone who appreciates it. 
>> Have 
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Re: Is there any market for an old Performa that works well?

[Skip Press]

I'm one hour north of Los Angeles. I just found out that UPS Ground 
Advantage shipping gto Grand Rapids, MI (Darrell Taylor) would be only 
about $85.

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 8:15:12 PM UTC-7 Ryan C. Underwood wrote:

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Re: Does anyone want a Performa 6400/200?

[Skip Press]

Hi Darrell. Replying to all since didn't see any email for you. Looks like 
Fedex cheapest would be about $150. It's about 45 pounds. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:15:34 AM UTC-7 Darrell Taylor wrote:

> How mouth to ship just computer? I have monitor. 
>
> Grand Rapids Michigan area 49401
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> I have been looking for a Mac like that
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> Darrell
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 15, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Skip Press  wrote:
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> I have one with a monitor that I believe still works and would give them 
> to anyone who wants to pay shipping. I'm in the Los Angeles, CA area and 
> would be glad to bring it to you if you're here also. 
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Re: Does anyone want a Performa 6400/200?

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How mouth to ship just computer? I have monitor. Grand Rapids Michigan area 49401I have been looking for a Mac like thatDarrellSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 15, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Skip Press  wrote:I have one with a monitor that I believe still works and would give them to anyone who wants to pay shipping. I'm in the Los Angeles, CA area and would be glad to bring it to you if you're here also. 



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Does anyone want a Performa 6400/200?

[Skip Press]

I have one with a monitor that I believe still works and would give them to 
anyone who wants to pay shipping. I'm in the Los Angeles, CA area and would 
be glad to bring it to you if you're here also. 

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Re: Is there any market for an old Performa that works well?

[Ryan C. Underwood]

What's your location?

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 07:54:15PM -0700, Skip Press wrote:
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Is there any market for an old Performa that works well?

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It has a 10G hard drive and I have a lot of software. I've kept it for 
nostalgic purposes but would let it go to someone who appreciates it. Have 
montior also. 

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Re: Performa

[Art]

Sorry; a local guy took it.

Art
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> On Sep 1, 2021, at 5:49 PM, Grayson Williams  wrote:
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> I'll be back in AZ in October and I'd be interested, if you still have it. 
> Where are you located?
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>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 1:34 PM Art  wrote:
>> Not sure how, but to where?
>> 
>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 8:01:31 AM UTC-7 superstar64 wrote:
>>> If you're willing to ship it, name a price.
>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 10:51:46 AM UTC-4 Art wrote:
>>>> Anyone interest in a working Performa 575 in very good condition? 
>>>> 
>>>> Art (in AZ) 
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Re: Performa

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I'll be back in AZ in October and I'd be interested, if you still have it.
Where are you located?

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 1:34 PM Art  wrote:

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> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 8:01:31 AM UTC-7 superstar64 wrote:
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Performa

[Art]

Follow-up: Sean N., Please contact me. (I have sent four emails directly with 
no response.) 

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Re: Performa

[William Stillwell]

I lost two performa(s) due to shipping , ship tube face down with LOTS of
foam and double boxes with extra padding.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 2:49 AM Dylan McDermond  wrote:

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> too. I almost had a nice Macintosh TV
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> > All those plastics are brittle you’ll have to make sure to go to Home
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Re: Performa

[Dylan McDermond]

Ask him how he knows, stick around in th hobby long enough and you’ll know too. 
I almost had a nice Macintosh TV

> On Jul 4, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Hardware Mack  wrote:
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> All those plastics are brittle you’ll have to make sure to go to Home Depot 
> buy a $20 roll hundred feet, and wrap it at least 6to 7 layers. Or else it’ll 
> show up a box full of broken plastic.
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Re: Performa

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All those plastics are brittle you’ll have to make sure to go to Home Depot
buy a $20 roll hundred feet, and wrap it at least 6to 7 layers. Or else
it’ll show up a box full of broken plastic.

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 10:15 AM super star  wrote:

> It has to make it to northeast Ohio.
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 4:34 PM Art  wrote:
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>> Not sure how, but to where?
>>
>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 8:01:31 AM UTC-7 superstar64 wrote:
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>>> If you're willing to ship it, name a price.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 10:51:46 AM UTC-4 Art wrote:
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>>>> Anyone interest in a working Performa 575 in very good condition?
>>>>
>>>> Art (in AZ)
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Re: Performa

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It has to make it to northeast Ohio.

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 4:34 PM Art  wrote:

> Not sure how, but to where?
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> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 8:01:31 AM UTC-7 superstar64 wrote:
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>> If you're willing to ship it, name a price.
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>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 10:51:46 AM UTC-4 Art wrote:
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>>>
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Re: Performa

[Hardware Mack]

How much? Does it work?

Thank you.

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 10:51 AM Art  wrote:

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Re: Performa

[Art]

Not sure how, but to where?

On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 8:01:31 AM UTC-7 superstar64 wrote:

> If you're willing to ship it, name a price.
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Re: Performa

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If you're willing to ship it, name a price.

On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 10:51:46 AM UTC-4 Art wrote:

> Anyone interest in a working Performa 575 in very good condition?
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Performa

[Art]

Anyone interest in a working Performa 575 in very good condition?

Art (in AZ)
Sent from my iPad mini 4.

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Re: Looking for Performa 631cd, monitor w/speakers, and more

[James Kelly]

Welcome to Google!

Hi

thanks for join us!

Reg Google

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Re: Anyone have a Performa motherboard harness?

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Will do ASAP, thank you.

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Re: Anyone have a Performa motherboard harness?

[Jeff Walther]

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:43:21 AM UTC-5, John-Robert La Porta wrote:
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> I know this is a bit of a strange item to be asking for, but I am looking 
> for a Performa 5xx/6xx series internal motherboard connector harness. I 
> have reason to suspect that something may have happened to mine, and I want 
> to try and test that theory with another one. If anyone has Performa/Quadra 
> parts possibly lying around, I'd love to be able to test this!
>

I don't have one, but any chance of you posting a couple of photos of the 
motherboard connector?connectorpeople.com might sell the raw connector 
and that would be handy info to have, but the connector would need to be 
identified first, which involves me starting with number of pins and 
location of notches and hunting through their list of connnectors...

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Anyone have a Performa motherboard harness?

[John-Robert La Porta]

I know this is a bit of a strange item to be asking for, but I am looking 
for a Performa 5xx/6xx series internal motherboard connector harness. I 
have reason to suspect that something may have happened to mine, and I want 
to try and test that theory with another one. If anyone has Performa/Quadra 
parts possibly lying around, I'd love to be able to test this!

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Looking for Performa 631cd, monitor w/speakers, and more

[Jeff Roach]

Hello,
  I'm interested in buying a Performa 631cd with the monitor that came with 
it that had speakers, keyboard and mouse and an ethernet card for the comm 
slot or wireless (if that is possible with this) and a 608040 cpu with fpu 
to replace the lc one.  Preferably one that hasn't discolored.  I've looked 
at ebay and there is one there but it is discolored, unknown if to work, no 
keyboard, mouse or monitor.  Thank you in advance.

Jeff

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Re: Mac LC 550 (Performa 550) can only boot to CD?

[Jason Johnson]

Well at the heart of this if you have read any of the posts on these threads 
you may have heard some mention of capacitors.  The little tin can looking 
things on the motherboard.  Your 550 almost positivly needs new ones installed. 
 All the LC type motherboards from the LC to Quadra 605, performa 5xx series 
and color classics all have this problem now.  Before you can do any real 
troubleshooting (I am guessing the scsi hard drive is dead also, as that is 
normal at 25 years of age also) those need replaced and a good motherboard wash 
to get the goo off of it and check for bad traces that may have been eaten 
through by the capacitor goo.


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Subject: Mac LC 550 (Performa 550) can only boot to CD?

hi, I have a Mac LC 550 (Performa 550) that I used to be able to start up 
without any problems, but, the mouse died. I recently found a replacement 
mouse, but now the computer doesn't seem to notice both the internal HD or the 
Floppy drive... without the SCSI cable, I can't use my zip 100 drive to boot 
from, and, when I purchased it in 2003, it didn't come with this 'Macintosh 
Performa CD' that the manual refers me to... how do I get it running again? 
thanks

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Mac LC 550 (Performa 550) can only boot to CD?

[pat diddy]

hi, I have a Mac LC 550 (Performa 550) that I used to be able to start up 
without any problems, but, the mouse died. I recently found a replacement 
mouse, but now the computer doesn't seem to notice both the internal HD or 
the Floppy drive... without the SCSI cable, I can't use my zip 100 drive to 
boot from, and, when I purchased it in 2003, it didn't come with this 
'Macintosh Performa CD' that the manual refers me to... how do I get it 
running again? thanks

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Re: Looking for LC/performa 575 logic board

[William Stillwell]

I have one but never heard back myself, so I think they may have found one

On Jul 21, 2016 12:03 PM, "NODEraser" <nodera...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did you find one? I think I've got one in a box somewhere, but I'm
> currently in the process of moving and tracking it down will probably
> not be a fast process.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:35 PM, William Stillwell <ki4...@gmail.com>
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> > I may have one as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:
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> > On Behalf Of Edward
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 1:35 PM
> > To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Looking for LC/performa 575 logic board
> >
> >
> >
> > I might have one let me check ok...
> >
> > Edward Williams
> >
> > edward1...@mac.com
> >
> > (469) 344 8800
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Jun 6, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Justin S <justinms...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anyone who might have a scrappable Performa 575 or LC 575 and
> would
> > be willing to sell a logic board for a reasonable price? I need it to
> put in
> > my color classic as an upgrade.
> >
> > Thanks!
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Re: Looking for LC/performa 575 logic board

[NODEraser]

Did you find one? I think I've got one in a box somewhere, but I'm
currently in the process of moving and tracking it down will probably
not be a fast process.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:35 PM, William Stillwell <ki4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I may have one as well.
>
>
>
> From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Edward
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> To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looking for LC/performa 575 logic board
>
>
>
> I might have one let me check ok...
>
> Edward Williams
>
> edward1...@mac.com
>
> (469) 344 8800
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Justin S <justinms...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there anyone who might have a scrappable Performa 575 or LC 575 and would
> be willing to sell a logic board for a reasonable price? I need it to put in
> my color classic as an upgrade.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Getting software on a Performa (Or similar)

[John A]

Thanks for your replies everyone. I have a Floppy Emu, and Im going to try 
that.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 7:57:20 AM UTC-4, John A wrote:
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> Hi everyone, 
> I am planning on getting an LC, Performa, etc. How would I get software 
> onto the HD? I have a Floppy Emu (BMoW!), but I am not sure if it works 
> with these later models. Would I have to buy an external floppy drive for 
> my modern computer, transfer disk images onto 1.4mb floppies, and then 
> download? Or if I get one with a CD Rom, use that?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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Re: Getting software on a Performa (Or similar)

[Kevin Dady]

yet another option is getting a serial adapter dongle and use terminal 
software to download from one machine to another, although its slow, maybe 
19200bps on a LC

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Getting software on a Performa (Or similar)

[Albert Llorens]

Hi there,

I also have a Floppy Emu from BMoW and I can confirm it works with both my LC 
II and LC 475. 

Kind regards

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Re: Getting software on a Performa (Or similar)

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> On 12 Jun, 2016, at 14:57, John A <typewriterguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am planning on getting an LC, Performa, etc. How would I get software onto 
> the HD? I have a Floppy Emu (BMoW!), but I am not sure if it works with these 
> later models. Would I have to buy an external floppy drive for my modern 
> computer, transfer disk images onto 1.4mb floppies, and then download? Or if 
> I get one with a CD Rom, use that?

The easiest way to interface an old Mac with new computers is to give the old 
Mac an Ethernet interface and have it talk TCP/IP.  This is easiest to achieve 
when there’s a NuBus slot available and with System 7.  Some of the later 68K 
Macs and most of the PowerMacs came wth Ethernet built-in.

Getting a floppy drive for your PC is also a good idea, and will simplify 
getting the network stack and decompression software onto the Mac (if it isn’t 
there already), but you might also need to do some mechanical maintenance on an 
old Mac’s floppy drive - hopefully just lubrication.  Use only the 1.4 MB 
format, not the 800K, with a PC-type floppy drive.

A third option is to get a SCSI controller for the PC, and use that to 
interface with the Mac’s HDD; the old Adaptec 2904 is ideal, but you can often 
find higher-performance cards for cheap on eBay.  You want one with a 50-pin 
internal connector to attach an old drive directly, and/or a cable to go 
between between the 50-pin or 68-pin external port on the PC card and the 
25-pin external port on the Mac.  (Crashing a Mac during the early boot 
sequence disables the internal SCSI controller and lets you access drives from 
an attached PC instead.)

Some Macs (even 68K) came with IDE HDDs instead; many PC m/boards no longer 
have a PATA controller built in, but you can still buy PCI adapters for that 
too.

The fourth option is, as you suggested, to burn CD-Rs to be read by a CD-ROM 
drive.  Note that original drives of the time will often only read CD-Rs, not 
CD-RWs (they are not “multiread capable”) and certainly won’t handle DVDs of 
any sort.  More capable, newer drives are available but might not be bootable; 
this requires “blessed” firmware.

For all of the above options *except* Ethernet, you have the additional problem 
of getting a PC to understand the Mac filesystem and preserving the “resource 
fork” and metadata of Mac files during transfer.  There is software to do this. 
 Obviously it’s all a lot easier if your newer computer is also a Mac.

And also be aware that Macs of this age often suffer from dying capacitors.  If 
they haven’t been replaced already, plan to have it done in the near future.

 - Jonathan Morton

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Getting software on a Performa (Or similar)

[John A]

Hi everyone, 
I am planning on getting an LC, Performa, etc. How would I get software 
onto the HD? I have a Floppy Emu (BMoW!), but I am not sure if it works 
with these later models. Would I have to buy an external floppy drive for 
my modern computer, transfer disk images onto 1.4mb floppies, and then 
download? Or if I get one with a CD Rom, use that?


Thanks!



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Re: Looking for LC/performa 575 logic board

[Edward]

I might have one let me check ok...
Edward Williams 
edward1...@mac.com
(469) 344 8800


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> On Jun 6, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Justin S <justinms...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Is there anyone who might have a scrappable Performa 575 or LC 575 and would 
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> my color classic as an upgrade.
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Looking for LC/performa 575 logic board

[Justin S]

Is there anyone who might have a scrappable Performa 575 or LC 575 and 
would be willing to sell a logic board for a reasonable price? I need it to 
put in my color classic as an upgrade.

Thanks!

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Re: Boot hard disc for Performa 631CD

[Fernando Korstanje]

Thank you very much. I think that what I need is the "image disk". For one
reason or another my disk is not booting anymore. But this ocurrs because i
was installing software in order to try to install a network card
. Thanks again !!

fernando

2016-03-31 20:49 GMT-03:00 'Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs <
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> Hi Fernando,
>
> If I remember correctly, the 631 uses an IDE drive.
>
> I don't know the exact steps, however, you should be able to buy a SD to
> IDE adaptor from eBay as well as a small SD card, such as 1GB or 2GB.
>
> You can format the SD card using a USB to SD adaptor in your own computer
> and install OS7.5.1 using the floppy disk images that can be downloaded
> from file servers.
>
> The SD card must be formatted to 'Macintosh HFS' - NOT 'HFS+'.
>
> Also, I think the maximum size of disk partition is limited to 1GB so a
> 2GB SD card would need to be split into two separate partitions. The
> Performa 630 range came with 500MB drives.
>
> Use an emulator program like Sheep Shaver or Basilisk to run an old OS7.x
> system.
>
> I use an SD card to IDE adaptor in my Performa 630CD with a 1GB card and
> it is so quick to start up.
>
> This means it is easy to add more software as you shut down the 631 and
> remove the SD card - use your emulator to copy disk images (dsk or img
> files) to the SD card and then put it into the 631 again.
>
> Hope this gives you some things to think about.
>
> You might also try to find a 631CD recovery CD on eBay.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Keith
>
>
> On Thursday, 31 March 2016, 21:26, Fernando Korstanje <
> ferkor1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would like to put mi old performa to work.
> Any help about where I can find an operating hard disk formated and with
> everithing on it just to plug and play?
>
> yours
>
> Fernando, from Tucuman, Argentina
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Re: Boot hard disc for Performa 631CD

[Robert Hesson]

I have a performa 631 and it will see most older IDE hard drives. I have a 30gb 
drive with multiple partitions in mine. I also still have the working 500mb 
unit too.

I still have the working restore cd I could make an image of too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2016, at 6:49 PM, 'Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs 
> <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Fernando,
> 
> If I remember correctly, the 631 uses an IDE drive.
> 
> I don't know the exact steps, however, you should be able to buy a SD to IDE 
> adaptor from eBay as well as a small SD card, such as 1GB or 2GB.
> 
> You can format the SD card using a USB to SD adaptor in your own computer and 
> install OS7.5.1 using the floppy disk images that can be downloaded from file 
> servers.
> 
> The SD card must be formatted to 'Macintosh HFS' - NOT 'HFS+'.
> 
> Also, I think the maximum size of disk partition is limited to 1GB so a 2GB 
> SD card would need to be split into two separate partitions. The Performa 630 
> range came with 500MB drives.
> 
> Use an emulator program like Sheep Shaver or Basilisk to run an old OS7.x 
> system.
> 
> I use an SD card to IDE adaptor in my Performa 630CD with a 1GB card and it 
> is so quick to start up.
> 
> This means it is easy to add more software as you shut down the 631 and 
> remove the SD card - use your emulator to copy disk images (dsk or img files) 
> to the SD card and then put it into the 631 again.
> 
> Hope this gives you some things to think about.
> 
> You might also try to find a 631CD recovery CD on eBay.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 31 March 2016, 21:26, Fernando Korstanje <ferkor1...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I would like to put mi old performa to work.
> Any help about where I can find an operating hard disk formated and with 
> everithing on it just to plug and play?
> 
> yours
> 
> Fernando, from Tucuman, Argentina
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Boot hard disc for Performa 631CD

[Fernando Korstanje]

I would like to put mi old performa to work.
Any help about where I can find an operating hard disk formated and with
everithing on it just to plug and play?

yours

Fernando, from Tucuman, Argentina

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RE: Need Plastic foot for Performa 6115CD

[Wesley Furr]

Is the foot solid on top?  Assuming there is enough clearance, could you
remove the motherboard (if it's in the way) and drill a hole through the
case and foot and use a small screw and nut and maybe washer on the foot to
hold it in place?

Wesley


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 On Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:47:24 AM UTC-8, iainnitro wrote:

 I have a 6115CD Power Mac (6100 series case) that one of the plastic 
 feet has broken and will not re-attach to the metal chassis.  This is 
 the right front foot.  I have thought about trying to Gorilla Glue it 
 back on (there are metal tabs that hold the plastic foot on and the 
 plastic broke at that point)... but upon reading the back of the 
 Gorilla Glue bottle, it recommends against using it on polyethylene 
 or polypropylene plastics.  The question is:  What kind of plastic is 
 on our Vintage beige Macs... IIRC, it is one of those types?


I'm pretty sure it's ABS, that's what the majority of computer cases and
case parts are made out of. Fairly rigid but brittle, especially after being
exposed to lots of UV. I didn't know that Gorilla glue would bond plastic
and metal, I would assume that you'd have to use something like JB-Weld or
an automotive adhesive.


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Re: Need Plastic foot for Performa 6115CD

['vmacgal' via Vintage Macs]

I'm in the process of dismantling my 6115CD and have the 4 feet. They came 
off first, still trying to open the case so I can remove the harddrive. Let 
me know if you still need the feet. I'll be glad to send them for the cost 
of shipping.

On Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:47:24 AM UTC-8, iainnitro wrote:

 Greetings: 

 I have a 6115CD Power Mac (6100 series case) that one of the plastic 
 feet has broken and will not re-attach to the metal chassis.  This is 
 the right front foot.  I have thought about trying to Gorilla Glue it 
 back on (there are metal tabs that hold the plastic foot on and the 
 plastic broke at that point)... but upon reading the back of the 
 Gorilla Glue bottle, it recommends against using it on polyethylene or 
 polypropylene plastics.  The question is:  What kind of plastic is on 
 our Vintage beige Macs... IIRC, it is one of those types? 

 It would be great if someone has a good complete foot they'd be 
 willing to send my way as inexpensively as possible or I am open to 
 repair suggestions or if someone has had a similar issue and how you 
 fixed it. 

 Thanks, 

 Mike 


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Re: Re: Need Plastic foot for Performa 6115CD

[Bruce Ryan]

Thank you for emailing. I am away, with little access to email, until 4 
January, and will respond on my return.

Wishing you a relaxing and enjoyable break

Bruce

On 27 Dec 2014, at 23:33, 'Glen' via Vintage Macs 
vintage-macs@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Surprised you got the feet off without breaking the plastic that holds them 
 in place. I have a few 6100's and had feet brake off from moving the computer 
 from one desk to another. Their 20 year old plastic is extremely brittle, at 
 least on the ones I have.
 
 If you haven't taken the cover off yet, I found using a flat blade screw 
 driver and very gently prying up the plastic tab that holds it in place will 
 prevent breaking the tab off. I had a couple of tabs break off before using 
 the screw driver method. If intact the cover it may be worth a couple of 
 dollars to someone who has a  broken one.
 
 If the original poster is not interested in the feet you offer, then I am --  
 if shipped within the USA.
 You can contact me off list: glenstrek at yahoo dot com.
 
 6100's are a great little pizza box Mac. Used one until a year ago for my 
 business (now retired) with a FileMaker database, a 300 MHz G3 processor, 264 
 MB RAM, HPV card with 4 MB RAM and networked to my newer G4's at that time. 
 --glen
 
 
 
 From: 'vmacgal' via Vintage Macs vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
 To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com 
 Cc: jmikeneed...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 2:02 AM
 Subject: Re: Need Plastic foot for Performa 6115CD
 
 I'm in the process of dismantling my 6115CD and have the 4 feet. They came 
 off first, still trying to open the case so I can remove the harddrive. Let 
 me know if you still need the feet. I'll be glad to send them for the cost of 
 shipping.
 
 On Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:47:24 AM UTC-8, iainnitro wrote:
 Greetings: 
 
 I have a 6115CD Power Mac (6100 series case) that one of the plastic 
 feet has broken and will not re-attach to the metal chassis.  This is 
 the right front foot.  I have thought about trying to Gorilla Glue it 
 back on (there are metal tabs that hold the plastic foot on and the 
 plastic broke at that point)... but upon reading the back of the 
 Gorilla Glue bottle, it recommends against using it on polyethylene or 
 polypropylene plastics.  The question is:  What kind of plastic is on 
 our Vintage beige Macs... IIRC, it is one of those types? 
 
 It would be great if someone has a good complete foot they'd be 
 willing to send my way as inexpensively as possible or I am open to 
 repair suggestions or if someone has had a similar issue and how you 
 fixed it. 
 
 Thanks, 
 
 Mike 
 
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Re: Need Plastic foot for Performa 6115CD

['Glen' via Vintage Macs]

Surprised you got the feet off without breaking the plastic that holds them in 
place. I have a few 6100's and had feet brake off from moving the computer from 
one desk to another. Their 20 year old plastic is extremely brittle, at least 
on the ones I have.
If you haven't taken the cover off yet, I found using a flat blade screw driver 
and very gently prying up the plastic tab that holds it in place will prevent 
breaking the tab off. I had a couple of tabs break off before using the screw 
driver method. If intact the cover it may be worth a couple of dollars to 
someone who has a  broken one.
If the original poster is not interested in the feet you offer, then I am --  
if shipped within the USA.You can contact me off list: glenstrek at yahoo dot 
com.
6100's are a great little pizza box Mac. Used one until a year ago for my 
business (now retired) with a FileMaker database, a 300 MHz G3 processor, 264 
MB RAM, HPV card with 4 MB RAM and networked to my newer G4's at that time. 
--glen

  From: 'vmacgal' via Vintage Macs vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
 To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com 
Cc: jmikeneed...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 2:02 AM
 Subject: Re: Need Plastic foot for Performa 6115CD
   
I'm in the process of dismantling my 6115CD and have the 4 feet. They came off 
first, still trying to open the case so I can remove the harddrive. Let me know 
if you still need the feet. I'll be glad to send them for the cost of shipping.

On Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:47:24 AM UTC-8, iainnitro wrote:
Greetings:

I have a 6115CD Power Mac (6100 series case) that one of the plastic
feet has broken and will not re-attach to the metal chassis.  This is
the right front foot.  I have thought about trying to Gorilla Glue it
back on (there are metal tabs that hold the plastic foot on and the
plastic broke at that point)... but upon reading the back of the
Gorilla Glue bottle, it recommends against using it on polyethylene or
polypropylene plastics.  The question is:  What kind of plastic is on
our Vintage beige Macs... IIRC, it is one of those types?

It would be great if someone has a good complete foot they'd be
willing to send my way as inexpensively as possible or I am open to
repair suggestions or if someone has had a similar issue and how you
fixed it.

Thanks,

Mike

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Re: Need Plastic foot for Performa 6115CD

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 On Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:47:24 AM UTC-8, iainnitro wrote:

 I have a 6115CD Power Mac (6100 series case) that one of the plastic
 feet has broken and will not re-attach to the metal chassis.  This is
 the right front foot.  I have thought about trying to Gorilla Glue it
 back on (there are metal tabs that hold the plastic foot on and the
 plastic broke at that point)... but upon reading the back of the
 Gorilla Glue bottle, it recommends against using it on polyethylene or
 polypropylene plastics.  The question is:  What kind of plastic is on
 our Vintage beige Macs... IIRC, it is one of those types?


I'm pretty sure it's ABS, that's what the majority of computer cases
and case parts are made out of. Fairly rigid but brittle, especially
after being exposed to lots of UV. I didn't know that Gorilla glue
would bond plastic and metal, I would assume that you'd have to use
something like JB-Weld or an automotive adhesive.


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Re: Looking for info on Performa 630 CD-Format

['Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs]

Hi again, Ph.
 Some CD-Dataformats could not be loaded. The remaining CD data formats have 
 been activated:

 ISO 9660
 High Sierra
 Audio CD Acess
 Apple Photo Access  [CONTINUE]
It sounds to me that the list of files you mentioned HAVE been activated. I 
notice that Foreign File Access was not listed and it's a translator 
necessary for ISO 9660, PhotoCD and High Sierra to work. 

Have you tried checking that Foreign File Access and Apple CD-ROM are 
switched on in Extension Manager? You could switch off all the extensions and 
then only switch on the system set and the CD access extensions. There may be a 
conflict with a different non-CD extension.
Hope this helps to narrow it down a bit more.
Cheers,
Keith 

 On Saturday, 22 November 2014, 16:36, mrandmrs sync 
mrandmrss...@googlemail.com wrote:
   

 Thanks a lot for all the replys!

I'm confident to make it work now, using either zip drives or the ethernet card 
you pointed me to...

But before i'm giving up on the CD based solution entirely, let me give 
additional info on the Performa. The SSW is D1-7.5.1 , also, upon startup it 
gives me this error message: (my own translation into english, since the system 
is set to german)


Some CD-Dataformats could not be loaded. The remaining CD data formats have 
been activated:

ISO 9660
High Sierra
Audio CD Acess
Apple Photo Access  [btn: continue]


Does this mean that ISO 9660 isn't activated (and thus means it could be, 
theoretically)?

A quick Wiki research shows that this would be the format used through today 
for all CD formatting, if i'm not mistaken!

Any suggestions on how to get the ISO 9660 activated on the Performa?

Thanks again, folks for the quick responses - i'm confident to get this done, 
thanks to your help!

Cheers,
Ph


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Re: Performa 631 trouble

[Paul A. Shah]

I read your LEM VintageMacs post for a Performa630 PSU part. I did'nt know 
if you still want one, but -
Could you use a whole working PSU for a Performa 6300 that this 6300 had as 
an original PSU ? I removed it, I then installed one that supplied a small 
amount more power for supporting 6300 upgrades.I later sold that 6300. You 
can see pictures of it if you want to see them,I will send you googlephoto 
links to see my GooglePhotos of it. Maybe you could use it for USPS 
shipping cost only.

On Friday, September 12, 2014 3:54:31 AM UTC-7, Robert Hesson wrote:

 I went to use my trusty old friend last night and when I pressed the power 
 key on the keyboard I got nothing. I pushed the power button on the back of 
 the mac and I get a 1/4 second flash from the status light. It looks to me 
 the power supply has tanked. Anyone ever successfully rebuild one? I didn't 
 see any on eBay 

 Thanks. 

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Looking for info on Performa 630 CD-Format

['Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs]

On 11/22/2014 9:36 AM, mrandmrs sync wrote:

Thanks a lot for all the replys!

I'm confident to make it work now, using either zip drives or the
ethernet card you pointed me to...

But before i'm giving up on the CD based solution entirely, let me give
additional info on the Performa. *The SSW is D1-7.5.1* , also, upon
startup it gives me this *error message*: (my own translation into
english, since the system is set to german)


Some CD-Dataformats could not be loaded. The remaining CD data formats
have been activated:

ISO 9660
High Sierra
Audio CD Acess
Apple Photo Access  [btn: continue]


Does this mean that ISO 9660 isn't activated (and thus means it could
be, theoretically)?

A quick Wiki research shows that this would be the format used through
today for all CD formatting, if i'm not mistaken!

Any suggestions on how to get the ISO 9660 activated on the Performa?


You need the disc format extensions from the install floppies or CD for 
your OS version. Use Tome Viewer to extract them.


Also get this Joliet extension. http://www.tempel.org/joliet/ Note the 
info that the formerly shareware version is now freeware.


You can also do a custom install and just select those CD files, but 
Apple being Apple, custom isn't quite what it should be. You'll likely 
get a bunch of other things installed anyway, just because you *might* 
need them. For example all the files for printers when you only need the 
ones for the printers you actually have. That how it just works works, 
using up a bunch of storage for drivers for everything you don't have 
but could at some point buy and connect to your Mac.


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Re: Looking for info on Performa 630 CD-Format

['Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs]

On 11/22/2014 11:17 AM, andy.heinz...@gmail.com wrote:


** Lastly, you have mentioned that you received an error concerning data
formats on your Performa. According to specifications found on everymac,
the Performa 630 utilized IDE as a connection interface. I do not
remember how Apple interfaced non-SCSI devices with the OS. If you run
into problems with accessing CDs I would try installing FWB CD-ROM
toolkit software as it did provide reasonable support for many different
CD drives and interfaces.


Somewhere on lowendmac.com is an archive of software for Mac clones and 
some upgrades. Among those downloads (IIRC for a 603 CPU upgrade) is an 
OEM version of FWB CD-ROM toolkit. It happens to be a full version of 
the software that works with at least 7.5 through 9.2.2, with both 68K 
and PPC support. It also has CD changer/jukebox support.


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Re: Looking for info on Performa 630 CD-Format

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Chris Morrison wrote:


I have a Performa 6216 running 8.5 and I transfer via cd from my MacBook Pro
regularly.
The files are usually image or zip files so they maintain integrity in the
transfer. 
I think the 630 has a max os of 8.1. Maybe it'll work.


An ethernet card for your Performa solves the problem and has other 
benefits besides. Looks like they're available here for $20:


http://www.welovemacs.com/net-cs-10t-u.html

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On Nov 21, 2014, at 3:14 PM, mrandmrs sync mrandmrss...@googlemail.com
wrote:

  Hello beautiful people of this forum,

  I have an old Performa 630, and i need to copy about 30 mb of
  data from that time onto it - obviously a tedious thing to du
  using floppys (also i don't know how to split up multiple files
  into 1.4 mb packages... is there a way to do that?)

  I have two other machines from which i can prepare the files for
  my 630:

  - a modern day macbook pro running mavericks for which i have a
  working usb floppydisc-drive and a optical drive to burn CDs
  - a 2002 iMac running mac os 9.2 from which i can also burn a CD
  but don't have access to the floppy drive...

  Here's the actual question:

  Where can i find info on the CD-format that the old Performa
  used, and on how to burn a such formatted CD from a newer mac in
  order to transfer the files to the Performa?

  If there's any other clever ways to acheive the file transfer,
  i'd be happy to hear from those, too.

  Thx in advance for any help!!!
  Keep up the good work!

  all the best,

  Ph

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Re: Performa 631 trouble

[Robert Hesson]

I'll tear it open this weekend and give it a look. I did swap to a full '040 
back in the late 90's and have loved this machine since then. This begs the 
question.. What is your Hangup with the performa 63x series? They are a hell of 
a lot better in my opinion than the 62xx/63xx series that replaced them, in my 
opinion at least.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 12, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Veneficus venefi...@bredband.net wrote:
 
 On 2014-09-12 12:54 , Robert Hesson wrote:
 
 I went to use my trusty old friend last night and when I pressed the
 power key on the keyboard I got nothing. I pushed the power button on
 the back of the mac and I get a 1/4 second flash from the status
 light. It looks to me the power supply has tanked. Anyone ever
 successfully rebuild one? I didn't see any on eBay
 
 Usually it is one particular resistor, I think R44 if I recall
 correctly, typically of green colour and easy to spot, that burns out in
 the 63x power supplies. I've seen lots of those, and they always go in
 the same way, although there are some variants of the power supply that
 are not affected (different layout).
 
 Usually the board is already badly charred around that spot when the
 power supply gives in, and I've never found it worthwhile to repair one
 since I've had spares (and I never liked the 63x that much anyway). But
 I assume that it should not be very complicated to do a bit of re-wiring
 around that spot. Give it a try.
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 Mikael
 
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RE: Looking For Performa 410

[NODEraser]

Would you two mind taking this discussion off-list?
On Aug 12, 2014 11:34 AM, Jason Johnson havokal...@hotmail.com wrote:

 We'll I would not mind selling it to you.  I hate to ship it.  The plastic
 is brittle due to age.  That's why I had talked about meeting you part
 way.  If I send it the thing will end up in pieces.

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 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 19:49:18 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 or are you not really interested in selling it any more?

 On Monday, August 4, 2014 1:37:08 PM UTC-7, Kris Olson wrote:

 ok. so what would you want for the machine as-is shipped?

 On Monday, August 4, 2014 1:00:06 PM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Only the front sticker say 410 the bottom case says LC.  They all do.

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 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:55:45 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 I honestly dont care about the software package. All i want is for the
 case to say performa 410 on the front and on the underside. i dont have
 much given that im a student. what would you want for it by itself
 including shipping? i have a performa 475 that i could trade but it may be
 a hassle with shipping.

 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:36:48 PM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Yes I do and again the software package and the sticker made it a 410.  I
 don't have the software package but probably could look it up and get it
 all installed for you.  Just figure out again what you need and what your
 looking to spend and I'll get it all set up.

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 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:31:05 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 Yes! i believe you have! are you in west oregon? and the 410 you have has
 an lciii board in it?

 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have
 one.

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 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:10:31 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Looking For Performa 410

 Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even
 just the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa
 410 labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to
 find another just for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. please let me know
 what you have. :)

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Re: Looking For Performa 410

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or are you not really interested in selling it any more?

On Monday, August 4, 2014 1:37:08 PM UTC-7, Kris Olson wrote:

 ok. so what would you want for the machine as-is shipped?

 On Monday, August 4, 2014 1:00:06 PM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Only the front sticker say 410 the bottom case says LC.  They all do.

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 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:55:45 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 I honestly dont care about the software package. All i want is for the 
 case to say performa 410 on the front and on the underside. i dont have 
 much given that im a student. what would you want for it by itself 
 including shipping? i have a performa 475 that i could trade but it may be 
 a hassle with shipping.

 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:36:48 PM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Yes I do and again the software package and the sticker made it a 410.  I 
 don't have the software package but probably could look it up and get it 
 all installed for you.  Just figure out again what you need and what your 
 looking to spend and I'll get it all set up.

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 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:31:05 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 Yes! i believe you have! are you in west oregon? and the 410 you have has 
 an lciii board in it?

 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have 
 one.

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 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:10:31 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Looking For Performa 410

 Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even 
 just the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 
 410 labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to 
 find another just for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. please let me know 
 what you have. :)

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RE: Looking For Performa 410

[Jason Johnson]

Only the front sticker say 410 the bottom case says LC.  They all do.

Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:55:45 -0700
From: 327...@gmail.com
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

I honestly dont care about the software package. All i want is for the case to 
say performa 410 on the front and on the underside. i dont have much given 
that im a student. what would you want for it by itself including shipping? i 
have a performa 475 that i could trade but it may be a hassle with shipping.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:36:48 PM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:


Yes I do and again the software package and the sticker made it a 410.  I don't 
have the software package but probably could look it up and get it all 
installed for you.  Just figure out again what you need and what your looking 
to spend and I'll get it all set up.

Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:31:05 -0700
From: 327...@gmail.com
To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

Yes! i believe you have! are you in west oregon? and the 410 you have has an 
lciii board in it?

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:


Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have one.

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:10:31 -0700
From: 327...@gmail.com
To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Looking For Performa 410

Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even just 
the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 410 
labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to find 
another just for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. please let me know what you 
have. :)




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Re: Looking For Performa 410

[Kris Olson]

ok. so what would you want for the machine as-is shipped?

On Monday, August 4, 2014 1:00:06 PM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Only the front sticker say 410 the bottom case says LC.  They all do.

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 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:55:45 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com javascript:
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 I honestly dont care about the software package. All i want is for the 
 case to say performa 410 on the front and on the underside. i dont have 
 much given that im a student. what would you want for it by itself 
 including shipping? i have a performa 475 that i could trade but it may be 
 a hassle with shipping.

 On Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:36:48 PM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Yes I do and again the software package and the sticker made it a 410.  I 
 don't have the software package but probably could look it up and get it 
 all installed for you.  Just figure out again what you need and what your 
 looking to spend and I'll get it all set up.

 --
 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:31:05 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 Yes! i believe you have! are you in west oregon? and the 410 you have has 
 an lciii board in it?

 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have 
 one.

 --
 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:10:31 -0700
 From: 327...@gmail.com
 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Looking For Performa 410

 Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even 
 just the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 
 410 labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to 
 find another just for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. please let me know 
 what you have. :)

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Re: Looking For Performa 410

[Kris Olson]

Yes! i believe you have! are you in west oregon? and the 410 you have has 
an lciii board in it?

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 Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have 
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 Subject: Looking For Performa 410

 Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even 
 just the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 
 410 labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to 
 find another just for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. please let me know 
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RE: Looking For Performa 410

[Jason Johnson]

Yes I do and again the software package and the sticker made it a 410.  I don't 
have the software package but probably could look it up and get it all 
installed for you.  Just figure out again what you need and what your looking 
to spend and I'll get it all set up.

Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:31:05 -0700
From: 327...@gmail.com
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

Yes! i believe you have! are you in west oregon? and the 410 you have has an 
lciii board in it?

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Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have one.

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:10:31 -0700
From: 327...@gmail.com
To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Looking For Performa 410

Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even just 
the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 410 
labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to find 
another just for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. please let me know what you 
have. :)




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Re: Looking For Performa 410

[Kris Olson]

I honestly dont care about the software package. All i want is for the case 
to say performa 410 on the front and on the underside. i dont have much 
given that im a student. what would you want for it by itself including 
shipping? i have a performa 475 that i could trade but it may be a hassle 
with shipping.

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 Yes I do and again the software package and the sticker made it a 410.  I 
 don't have the software package but probably could look it up and get it 
 all installed for you.  Just figure out again what you need and what your 
 looking to spend and I'll get it all set up.

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 Subject: Re: Looking For Performa 410

 Yes! i believe you have! are you in west oregon? and the 410 you have has 
 an lciii board in it?

 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 9:48:43 AM UTC-7, havok...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have 
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 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:10:31 -0700
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 To: vintag...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Looking For Performa 410

 Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even 
 just the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 
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RE: Looking For Performa 410

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Are you in Washington state?  If so I contacted you before.  I still have one.

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:10:31 -0700
From: 327...@gmail.com
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Subject: Looking For Performa 410

Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even just 
the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 410 
labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to find 
another just for sentimental and nostalgic reasons. please let me know what you 
have. :)




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Looking For Performa 410

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Hey guys im trying to find an old performa 410. I dont care if its even 
just the case itself just as long as it has all of the original performa 
410 labeling. It was the first mac i had ever owned, and i would like to 
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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Christian Brodermann]

Hey guys, I'm trying to install some stuff on this machine, and I'm a 
little lost as to what I have to do because I'm used to Windows simply 
because of all the computers I normally use/d for work and school and such 
over the years.

I have a ClarisWorks folder that looks like this

Claris
-put this in System Folder
-Sample Files
-Tutorial Folder
-Claris Fonts
-ClarisWorks

I only have my Windows PC to work on as my venerable Power Mac G3 is 
dead... 

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Re[2]: Performa 630CD Info

[Scott Holder]

68k Macs can't boot from an HFS+ partition, so that's expected. Mac OS 
8.1 can handle HFS+ fine anyway, so you could have a small HFS boot 
partition and big data drive on HFS+.


As for ethernet, this model has both LC PDS and Comm Slots, so you have 
a pretty good list of options. Unless you need a modem in the Comm Slot, 
you'll probably be better off using it for ethernet and keeping the LC 
PDS for other options.


If you hunt around eBay or the Swap List, you can probably find it 
cheaper, but http://www.welovemacs.com/comslotimac.html has some Comm 
Slot I cards in stock. Make sure you watch out and don't end up with a 
Comm Slot II card.


Scott

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Sent: 7/18/2014 10:48:24 AM
Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info

Everything is ok now. I switched to my other adapter I had for my 
grandpa's old Power Mac (which we sold for some reason), and it worked, 
so it's good.


My only thing is that this machine is on a HFS partition, not a HFS+ 
partition, does that affect the ability to read HFS+ formatted discs in 
Mac OS 8.1?


I am trying to write software over to the machine on CDs because it 
doesn't have an Ethernet card to simply connect it to a (more) modern 
Mac with Wi-Fi


If anyone could provide me a link to an Ethernet card compatible with 
the Performa 637CD, I'd be much obliged.


Thank you!!






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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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Everything is ok now. I switched to my other adapter I had for my grandpa's 
old Power Mac (which we sold for some reason), and it worked, so it's good. 

My only thing is that this machine is on a HFS partition, not a HFS+ 
partition, does that affect the ability to read HFS+ formatted discs in Mac 
OS 8.1? 

I am trying to write software over to the machine on CDs because it doesn't 
have an Ethernet card to simply connect it to a (more) modern Mac with Wi-Fi

If anyone could provide me a link to an Ethernet card compatible with the 
Performa 637CD, I'd be much obliged.

Thank you!! 

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Re[2]: Performa 630CD Info

[Scott Holder]

How long did you wait after powering on? Remember these Macs test their 
RAM on startup, and stuffing these huge amounts of RAM into them can 
make them take upwards of minutes to come up. My IIci can take literally 
2-3 minutes from bong to screen on when I have the full 128MB in it.


Scott

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Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info

Welp. Got my Mac working well, then I get my 64MB stick of RAM, install 
it, and it immediately stops displaying anything on the monitor while 
using the same exact settings on my adapter I had used when it had the 
32MB stick.


I went back to the original RAM, and it still doesn't work, and I've 
tried pretty much every combination for every display and still 
nothing.


I'm wondering what's going on.


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Re: Re[2]: Performa 630CD Info

[NODEraser]

I would also do a PRAM reset since you've made a hardware change.

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 Welp. Got my Mac working well, then I get my 64MB stick of RAM, install it,
 and it immediately stops displaying anything on the monitor while using the
 same exact settings on my adapter I had used when it had the 32MB stick.

 I went back to the original RAM, and it still doesn't work, and I've tried
 pretty much every combination for every display and still nothing.

 I'm wondering what's going on.


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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Christian Brodermann]

Welp. Got my Mac working well, then I get my 64MB stick of RAM, install it, 
and it immediately stops displaying anything on the monitor while using the 
same exact settings on my adapter I had used when it had the 32MB stick. 

I went back to the original RAM, and it still doesn't work, and I've tried 
pretty much every combination for every display and still nothing.

I'm wondering what's going on.

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RE: Performa 630CD Info

[Jason Johnson]

Yes the drive will work as long as you make partition less than 2 gb.

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:55:39 -0700
From: cmbroderman...@gmail.com
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info

My last question is I have an old Quantum drive out of an iMac G3. 

Can this be used in my 637CD for Mac OS 8.1 cause a 500 MB drive, although 
nice, a drive 9 times larger is even better haha! 

Just wanted to know if it would work, it being IDE, just like the drive in the 
637CD. 





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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Jeff Walther]

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:03:38 PM UTC-5, Christian Brodermann wrote:

 Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!

 Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on 
 EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.

 How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a specific 
 type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work? 


The Q/P/LC 63n family uses 72 pin SIMMs.   While rare-ish, 72 pin SIMMs are 
available in 64MB and 128MB capacities.   Not all Macs, which use 72 pin 
SIMMs, are capable of addressing the SIMMs larger than 32MB, but the 
machine in question can.

The HP part numbers, D4893 and D4290 identify 128 MB and 64 MB 72 pin SIMMs 
respectively, which will work in Macs that accept those capacities.

The D4893 is actually a rebadged Samsung KMM53632000, so that's a 
worthwhile search term as well.  

IBM also sold these SIMMs but I don't which part numbers they used, and 
they also used a different manufacturer (than Samsung) sometimes.

There's doesn't appear to be anything affordable under these part numbers 
on Ebay at the moment.   At least, not what I consider affordable.  It may 
be that the ship has sailed, but the 64 MB SIMMs used to be about $10 and 
the 128 MB SIMMs were about $20.  That was the bottom of the price curve, 
but you could find those prices pretty regularly.

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Jonathan Morton]

Another important point is FPM vs EDO. I believe all 68k Macs need FPM.
That might help you find alternatives.

- Jonathan Morton
 On 14 Jul 2014 19:08, Jeff Walther t...@prismnet.com wrote:



 On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:03:38 PM UTC-5, Christian Brodermann wrote:

 Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!

 Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on
 EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.

 How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a
 specific type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work?


 The Q/P/LC 63n family uses 72 pin SIMMs.   While rare-ish, 72 pin SIMMs
 are available in 64MB and 128MB capacities.   Not all Macs, which use 72
 pin SIMMs, are capable of addressing the SIMMs larger than 32MB, but the
 machine in question can.

 The HP part numbers, D4893 and D4290 identify 128 MB and 64 MB 72 pin
 SIMMs respectively, which will work in Macs that accept those capacities.

 The D4893 is actually a rebadged Samsung KMM53632000, so that's a
 worthwhile search term as well.

 IBM also sold these SIMMs but I don't which part numbers they used, and
 they also used a different manufacturer (than Samsung) sometimes.

 There's doesn't appear to be anything affordable under these part numbers
 on Ebay at the moment.   At least, not what I consider affordable.  It may
 be that the ship has sailed, but the 64 MB SIMMs used to be about $10 and
 the 128 MB SIMMs were about $20.  That was the bottom of the price curve,
 but you could find those prices pretty regularly.

 Jeff Walther



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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:03:38 PM UTC-5, Christian Brodermann wrote:

 Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!

 Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on 
 EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.

 How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a specific 
 type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work?


Okay, a little searching turns up this:  http://r.ebay.com/gyMNxv, which 
is 64 MB SIMM for $12.   However, unless I miss my guess, that SIMM is 
actually built out of 3.3V parts and has a voltage control chip on board to 
adjust the supply voltage for the chips.   In general, 3.3V memory chips 
will work with 5V I/O, but it may not be reliable in some machines.   
Still, that seller is a good one to watch.   Back when, he had piles of the 
D4290 for about $10 each.

Ah, the viewed similar items link to the rescue.   This one is the stuff.  
Real 5V chips.   However, I've never actually used one of this make so I'm 
not guaranteeing it works, but it has as good a chance as any untested item 
from Ebay.   It seems to meet the specs.  http://r.ebay.com/XMFq4d

Also this http://r.ebay.com/w4651q but call or email them and make sure 
it has just 8 chips on board.  The photo is representational only.   
There are some composite SIMMs built out of 4M X 4 parts with 32 chips on 
board and you want to avoid those.

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On Monday, July 14, 2014 11:19:36 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Morton wrote:

 Another important point is FPM vs EDO. I believe all 68k Macs need FPM. 
 That might help you find alternatives.

 - Jonathan Morton


Actually, not an important point at all.   There is an AppleTech Note which 
spells out the fact that Macs which work with FPM memory all work fine with 
EDO memory.   The only exception is the PowerMac 7200 and its Power 
Computing clones, PowerCurve, PowerCenter, PowerTower (but not Pro), and 
PowerCenter Pro.

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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Hey guys! I found a 64 MB non-parity FPM RAM with 8 chips (four on each 
side of the stick) and it seems to be working in my friend's Quadra 630, so 
I think we're good now! 

Thank you all SO much for your help, and this is why LEM is the BEST 
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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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My last question is I have an old Quantum drive out of an iMac G3. 

Can this be used in my 637CD for Mac OS 8.1 cause a 500 MB drive, although 
nice, a drive 9 times larger is even better haha! 

Just wanted to know if it would work, it being IDE, just like the drive in 
the 637CD. 

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RE: Performa 630CD Info

[Jason Johnson]

That's a 7500, 8500, 9600 powermac card.

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 Subject: Re: Performa 630CD Info
 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 06:51:02 +0200
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 Interesting - can't find for which Mac this card was meant ...
 
 cheers
 
 m
 
  On 11. 7. 2014, at 3:30, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs 
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  On 7/10/2014 7:27 PM, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs wrote:
  
  Well lookie here! $9.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926
  
  Arrgh. Stupid idiotic search engines that substitute whatever the bleep 
  they want instead of what one is actually looking for.
  
  Still an excellent buy on a CPU upgrade for whatever Mac it fits.
  
  
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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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Hello,

 You can get an 040 just as cheap, or less, than a bare CPU by buying a 
 complete Quadra 630 mainboard to slide into your
 Performa 630.

If that's the case (or rather, the motherboard [sorry...]), a WTB (Want To Buy) 
post here:

http://lowendmac.com/2014/lem-swap/


...might net you one (assuming you're not familiar with that list already, that 
is).

While I can't say for sure what a post there will yield, I don't think it's too 
much of a stretch to say that the LEM Swap List, generally speaking, tends to 
be a hobbyist friendly-sort of place, with prices to match.

The downside is that LEM Swap requires one to include one's name, city, state, 
and zip when either buying or selling. The point being: if anonymity is 
important to you, eBay is probably your best bet in terms of not broadcasting 
who you are, where you are, and what you're up to to the world at large.

Anyway, it's just something for you to consider in your search for a hobby Mac. 
[shrugs]


Best,

James Fraser 

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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The side notes on the 040 are cool, but I really do need that info on the 
RAM because I need to order it.

Does the Performa 637CD support 64 MB of extra RAM or not?? 

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On 7/11/2014 10:47 AM, Christian Brodermann wrote:

The side notes on the 040 are cool, but I really do need that info on
the RAM because I need to order it.

Does the Performa 637CD support 64 MB of extra RAM or not??


It'll go up to 128+4 meg with the right SIMM. MicroMac has them, maybe, 
dunno if they still sell anything but the website is still there.


http://www.micromac.com/products/bigsimms.html

http://www.applefritter.com/node/24415

IIRC what the SIMMs must have is a lot of small capacity chips due to 
the memory controller being unable to work with high capacity chips.


In other words 2 or 4 chip SIMMs of any size won't work, has to have at 
least 8 chips for up to 32 meg. 64 meg would likely have 16 chips and 
128 meg 32.


Google MicroMac BigSIMM and you'll find more info not on the micromac site.


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Re: Performa 630CD Info

['Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs]

Hi Christian,

Welcome to the Vintage Macs Group.

I can tell you that the video adapters that plug into your Performa and a 
standard VGA monitor work fine. I used them years ago and I still have them. I 
currently run a Performa 475 through a DB15 to HD15 adapter to a 14 LCD screen 
with a HD15 plug. It's odd seeing the display so sharp but it's a real delight!

It also works with the 12 Apple Colour monitor I have but I need that for the 
LC!

You might be able to pick up a low cost, second hand 14 or 15 LCD monitor 
with SVGA/VGA resolution. That will be fine for your use.

I have the 14 LCD mounted on the wall so that I don't lose real estate on the 
desk.

Good luck!

Regards,

Keith


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Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!

I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than anything, 
and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the 68k Mac world 
because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's just leave it at 
that. 

I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've 
found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a 33 MHz 
stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I don't think 
it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's a lot more 
yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to know some info 
on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with those DB15 to VGA 
things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not own a Mac monitor and 
probably won't for quite some time simply because I don't have the desk space 
for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could find a VGA card of some type for 
it. 

My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for a 
Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and lastly, 
what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some other expansion 
card in here?

Thank you guys!!



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Re: Performa 630CD Info

['Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs]

Hi Christian,

You're right about that mouse. Sounds like you have an Apple ADB mouse 
(G5431/A9M)331). When we bought our Performa 630CD's back in the '90s, they 
were all supplied with the ADB Mouse II (M2706) - the teardrop shape.

IIRC, there were two versions (maybe more)of the ADB II. One version had a 
simple twist panel in the base of the mouse to hold the mouse ball secure. The 
second version had a lockable twist panel which could be 'unlocked' with a 
straightened paperclip. This saved us a bunch of money because the pupils could 
not open the bottom of the mouse and remove the mouse ball.

Check Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_mouse) and scroll down to 
see the variations.

As for cool games, I remember only a few. Oxyd was quite addictive for me. 
There was another Heath Robinson/Rube Goldberg style game where you had to 
arrange bizarre objects to achieve a goal. I think 'contraption' was in the 
title and it involved a Professor. I also remember a mandrill (primate). I 
cannot for the life of me think of its name! It's a TIM (The Incredible 
Machine) type game.

You should be able to rummage through the 'abandonware' pages at Macintosh 
Garden (macintoshgarden.org). They keep quite a collection.

Regards,

Keith



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Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!

I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than anything, 
and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the 68k Mac world 
because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's just leave it at 
that. 

I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've 
found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a 33 MHz 
stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I don't think 
it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's a lot more 
yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to know some info 
on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with those DB15 to VGA 
things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not own a Mac monitor and 
probably won't for quite some time simply because I don't have the desk space 
for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could find a VGA card of some type for 
it. 

My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for a 
Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and lastly, 
what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some other expansion 
card in here?

Thank you guys!!



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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:36 AM, 'Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs
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 You're right about that mouse. Sounds like you have an Apple ADB mouse
 (G5431/A9M)331). When we bought our Performa 630CD's back in the '90s, they
 were all supplied with the ADB Mouse II (M2706) - the teardrop shape.

 IIRC, there were two versions (maybe more)of the ADB II. One version had a
 simple twist panel in the base of the mouse to hold the mouse ball secure.
 The second version had a lockable twist panel which could be 'unlocked' with
 a straightened paperclip. This saved us a bunch of money because the pupils
 could not open the bottom of the mouse and remove the mouse ball.


Even though it may have shipped with the oval mouse, any ADB mouse
should work just fine; any Apple ADB mouse will absolutely work fine.

I would bet that the variations between mice of the same model was due
to different manufacturers, not a revision.

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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Hi Christian,

As others have mentioned, any old ADB mouse (or keyboard) will work, even
if it's not be completely authentic if that's what you're going for. I also
have used the Mac-VGA video adapters on the beige powermacs and Mac II
series machines without issues.

If you haven't found it already, this link will give you some idea of
machine specs and what you can put in it for expansion:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_quadra/specs/mac_quadra_630.html

I don't have much of any experience with the Quadras but it looks like that
machine can run up to OS 8.1. I'd be inclined to run 7.5 on it for speed
and lower RAM requirements. Since it's a 68040 this machine is among the
faster of the 68k line and it should handle pretty well.

Have fun! It's always nice to have more join us down the rabbit hole... ;)

Nate




On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Christian Brodermann 
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 Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!

 I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than
 anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the
 68k Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's
 just leave it at that.

 I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and
 I've found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a
 33 MHz stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I
 don't think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's
 a lot more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to
 know some info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with
 those DB15 to VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not
 own a Mac monitor and probably won't for quite some time simply because I
 don't have the desk space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could
 find a VGA card of some type for it.

 My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for
 a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and
 lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some
 other expansion card in here?

 Thank you guys!!


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Re: Performa 630CD Info

['James Fraser' via Vintage Macs]

Hello,

 I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've 
 found a nice cheap Performa 
 630CD on eBay,

When you say, cheap, does factoring in the cost of shipping still keep the 
machine in the Bargain Basement range?

I ask because, with a lot of older machines, it's not the initial price tag 
that's noteworthy: it's the cost of shipping the thing across a few states that 
can suddenly turn what seems initially to be a perfectly affordable proposition 
into a clippy one. 


Best,

James Fraser




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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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Best of luck with your new mac.

The mac-vga adapters do work quite well. I've used mine with my LC II, and 
powermac 6100. Any old CRT/LCD with a vga port should work fine. That said, 
my 19 samsung monitor (~2004) doesn't like it. So, try to find a monitor 
that's (at least for LCDs) around 14/15 or less and that supports at 
least a minimum resolution of 800x600. If it's a widescreen or has a dvi 
port it may not work at all since it simply may not support a low enough 
resolution. VGA/DVI adapters don't have any fancy circuitry (as I 
understand), so if you have a dvi only monitor that fits the other criteria 
you could try it (although you'd need a vga-dvi adapter). Also, some 
adapters have a bunch of dip switches, and unless it's comes with a 
reference sheet like mine did (and maybe even still) you may have to fiddle 
with a number of different configurations of the switches before you find 
one that produces a sharp-ish display without any horizontal or vertical 
wobble. The refresh rate that the monitor supports may also be an issue. I 
assume that anything that supports 60hz+ should be fine.

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:15:31 AM UTC-4, James Fraser wrote:


 Hello, 

  I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and 
 I've found a nice cheap Performa 
  630CD on eBay, 

 When you say, cheap, does factoring in the cost of shipping still keep 
 the machine in the Bargain Basement range? 

 I ask because, with a lot of older machines, it's not the initial price 
 tag that's noteworthy: it's the cost of shipping the thing across a few 
 states that can suddenly turn what seems initially to be a perfectly 
 affordable proposition into a clippy one. 


 Best, 

 James Fraser 






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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On 7/10/2014 10:31 AM, J Harton wrote:

Best of luck with your new mac.

The mac-vga adapters do work quite well. I've used mine with my LC II,
and powermac 6100. Any old CRT/LCD with a vga port should work fine.
That said, my 19 samsung monitor (~2004) doesn't like it. So, try to
find a monitor that's (at least for LCDs) around 14/15 or less and
that supports at least a minimum resolution of 800x600. If it's a
widescreen or has a dvi port it may not work at all since it simply may
not support a low enough resolution. VGA/DVI adapters don't have any
fancy circuitry (as I understand), so if you have a dvi only monitor
that fits the other criteria you could try it (although you'd need a
vga-dvi adapter). Also, some adapters have a bunch of dip switches, and
unless it's comes with a reference sheet like mine did (and maybe even
still) you may have to fiddle with a number of different configurations
of the switches before you find one that produces a sharp-ish display
without any horizontal or vertical wobble. The refresh rate that the
monitor supports may also be an issue. I assume that anything that
supports 60hz+ should be fine.


There are two main types of DVI port. One has both analog and digital, 
the other is only digital. Both can also have one or two digital monitor 
output in the one port. A DVI port with analog is easy to identify by 
the + shape slots at one end. The digital only ones don't have that.


I don't know of any monitor that combines the analog VGA *input* into a 
DVI connection.


Older Macintosh computers expect to have various pins connected together 
in the cable to detect which resolution to set the video to. Back when 
printing for newspapers and other graphic arts was 72DPI, Apple printers 
were 72DPI too, so they wanted what was on the monitors to be exactly 
the same size as print. (I suspect that instances of people holding up 
printouts to their screen to compare the size were very rare.)


Thus Apple made each size of monitor only support a single resolution, 
which is why the 12 color monitor and the Color Classic are 512x384 
instead of 640x480, which would be higher than 72DPI at that screen size.


On Macs without built in support for multi-resolution monitors, you need 
to buy or build an adapter. Some adapters have switch settings to make 
just about any multi-resolution monitor work with any Mac that has the 
large 15 pin connector. Some adapters only have settings for the older 
fixed resolution monitors.


Search the web and you can find diagrams of how the sense pin 
connections work, and from that you can easily solder together a single 
resolution adapter.


Somewhere out there, there should be information on what old Macs have 
built in video with multi-resolution monitor support.


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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[m black]

Contact me off thread, I have 20 to 30 older Macs (so many that I have not used 
for 5 to 10 years)

I am sure I have something and I bought a ton of software back in the day. Wife 
wants her shelf space back and her craft room back and I want these old 
machines saved from the land fill. 

I have sold 6 - 8 recently for 10 to 25 dollars plus shipping

Let's talk and see if I can help you. 

Mike

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 On Jul 9, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Christian Brodermann 
 cmbroderman...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!
 
 I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than 
 anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the 68k 
 Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's just 
 leave it at that. 
 
 I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and I've 
 found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a 33 MHz 
 stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I don't 
 think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's a lot 
 more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to know some 
 info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with those DB15 to 
 VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not own a Mac monitor 
 and probably won't for quite some time simply because I don't have the desk 
 space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could find a VGA card of some 
 type for it. 
 
 My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for a 
 Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and 
 lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some other 
 expansion card in here?
 
 Thank you guys!!
 
 
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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Christian Brodermann]

Alright!

So I can see the DB15-VGA converters work, and I have one with the DIP 
switches, so we're good.

Anyway, my next thing is, how can I put a full-on 68040 in this machine, 
and is it worth it to update to Mac OS 8.1, or should I stick with the 
7.6.1 it has installed.
I know this is a big point of contention between a lot of late-model 68k 
Mac owners, but on this specific machine, as is, with a 33MHz 68LC040, 
should I go to 8.1
or should I stick to System 7? 

I have researched the hell out of it, but I want other opinions. If anyone 
here has any advice, I'd be much obliged. 

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Re: Performa 630CD

['J.S. Garrison' via Vintage Macs]

This is from the Department-of-Totally-Unrelated-Asides:

I recall that my name for the Performa 630 was Puzzle Box for the way it 
disassembles. I've owned and rescued a number of them in my
time of playing with them. Not so anymore. I've downsized too far to keep any 
desktop Macs. I do still have a number of Classic Macs, most of which are 
becoming silent or checkerboarding from aged caps.

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Matthew Wheeler]

Info can be found at everymac.com or mactracker.ca.

MW

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On 7/10/2014 2:27 PM, Christian Brodermann wrote:

Alright!

So I can see the DB15-VGA converters work, and I have one with the DIP
switches, so we're good.

Anyway, my next thing is, how can I put a full-on 68040 in this machine,


Carefully pry the current CPU out of its socket and carefully press in 
the replacement. ;-) Unless it happens to be soldered to the board.


Your first problem is finding a 33Mhz 68040 CPU. The 25Mhz ones aren't 
too awful bad for price but the 33Mhz, people expect you gotta be 
kidding prices for them. On 40Mhz they just get insane.


You could try a 25Mhz one and overclock it, use some Arctic Silver and 
put on a 486 CPU cooler and fan.


Or dig up a Macintosh Processor Upgrade Card, part number M3397LL/A and 
you can run PPC software.


Well lookie here! $9.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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Well lookie here! $9.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926


Arrgh. Stupid idiotic search engines that substitute whatever the bleep 
they want instead of what one is actually looking for.


Still an excellent buy on a CPU upgrade for whatever Mac it fits.


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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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Err, that still isn't for a Performa 630CD

Jeff G


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  Well lookie here! $9.95
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926
 
 Arrgh. Stupid idiotic search
 engines that substitute whatever the bleep 
 they want instead of what one is actually
 looking for.
 
 Still an
 excellent buy on a CPU upgrade for whatever Mac it fits.
 
 
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Re: Performa 630CD Info

['J.S. Garrison' via Vintage Macs]

I have always preferred to use the latest OS the machine will tolerate, except 
in Classic Macs. I'm a little odd about that for the rareness of a System 6.0.3 
or 6.0.4 over the better running, more de-bugged 6.0.8. 8.1's a great choice 
for that Performa if it has enough RAM (64MB).

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 Alright!
 
 So I can see the DB15-VGA converters work, and I have one
 with the DIP switches, so we're good.
 
 Anyway, my next thing is, how can I put a full-on 68040 in
 this machine, and is it worth it to update to Mac OS 8.1, or
 should I stick with the 7.6.1 it has installed.
 I know this is a big point of contention between a lot of
 late-model 68k Mac owners, but on this specific machine, as
 is, with a 33MHz 68LC040, should I go to 8.1
 or should I stick to System 7? 
 
 I have researched the hell out of it, but I want other
 opinions. If anyone here has any advice, I'd be much
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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Christian Brodermann]

I think I'll stick with my LC040 for now, the 33MHz '040s are ridiculous! 
Who the hell but us or an Amiga or Atari ST collector would need one? 

Unless someone is willing to give me a '040, I'm sticking with my stock 
processor, I don't think I'll be needing much in the way of FPU support 
anyway, at least for now. 

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On 7/10/2014 8:26 PM, Christian Brodermann wrote:

I think I'll stick with my LC040 for now, the 33MHz '040s are
ridiculous! Who the hell but us or an Amiga or Atari ST collector would
need one?

Unless someone is willing to give me a '040, I'm sticking with my stock
processor, I don't think I'll be needing much in the way of FPU support
anyway, at least for now.


You can get an 040 just as cheap, or less, than a bare CPU by buying a 
complete Quadra 630 mainboard to slide into your Performa 630.



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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Christian Brodermann]

Alright thanks for that info about the Quadra board!

Now I noticed someone said to put 64 MB of RAM into the 637CD, but on 
EveryMac, it says it only supports up to a 32 MB RAM stick.

How can I put a 64 MB RAM stick into this machine, and is there a specific 
type of RAM, or will any old 72-pin SIMM work?

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

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On 7/10/2014 10:26 PM, Christian Brodermann wrote:
I think I'll stick with my LC040 for now, the 33MHz '040s are 
ridiculous! Who the hell but us or an Amiga or Atari ST collector 
would need one?


Unless someone is willing to give me a '040, I'm sticking with my 
stock processor, I don't think I'll be needing much in the way of FPU 
support anyway, at least for now.


What a difference a decade makes! I bought a couple 33mhz 68040s in the 
early 2000s, primarily for running Linux on my Macs. I still have one in 
an overclocked LC 475 on my desk; it runs Linux sort of decently but Mac 
OS X really slowly. Back then they were often not selling at all, or 
maybe a bid or two. I'm sure I paid less than $20 for mine, possibly 
less than $10. Shoulda cornered the market on the things! I can't 
imagine they're especially rare even at this point; it's probably a 
combination of esoteric demand and specialist market willing to pay that.


I still regret missing out on a couple Radius Rockets cheap on eBay in 
the late 90s. Those things are rare as hens' teeth now and often sell 
for .


Scott

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Re: Performa 630CD Info

[Marek Drvota]

Interesting - can't find for which Mac this card was meant ...

cheers

m

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 On 7/10/2014 7:27 PM, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs wrote:
 
 Well lookie here! $9.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/300591971926
 
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Performa 630CD Info

[Christian Brodermann]

Hey Vintage Mac lovers!!

I'm new to the 68k Mac world, being a Apple ][ and PPC guy more than 
anything, and I really have no idea half the time what anything is in the 
68k Mac world because Macs were kind of, well, weird at the time, let's 
just leave it at that. 

I am in the market for a 68k Mac, preferably one of the later ones, and 
I've found a nice cheap Performa 630CD on eBay, with fully upgraded RAM, a 
33 MHz stock processor, a power cord, and a keyboard and mouse (although I 
don't think it's the right mouse, cause it is the trapezoid mouse and it's 
a lot more yellowed than the keyboard). Anyways, the point is I'd like to 
know some info on the machine and if anyone here has had any luck with 
those DB15 to VGA things on one of these because unfortunately, I do not 
own a Mac monitor and probably won't for quite some time simply because I 
don't have the desk space for a CRT right now, and if not, where I could 
find a VGA card of some type for it. 

My only other questions are what good games or cool programs are there for 
a Mac of this age, what OS should I run on it (Mac OS 7.5? 8.1? 9?), and 
lastly, what are my upgrade options if I want to put a DOS card or some 
other expansion card in here?

Thank you guys!!


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Re: Performa 5200cd info needed!

[Brian Harding]

 If anyone could actually let me know the worth of these ...

I t's a lowendmac Road Apple 
http://lowendmac.com/2014/power-mac-and-performa-x200-road-apples/, not so 
desirable??

Tho' I used one in my workplace and was pleased with it at the time:P

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Re: Performa 5200cd info needed!

[Jeremy]

Google is your friend.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_performa/specs/mac_performa_5200cd.html
http://lowendmac.com/1995/performa-5200/

Having an integrated screen would both makes it easier to use (don't need 
to obtain a monitor too) and harder to sell (can't get it without a 
monitor, which is desirable these days since you can get a vga adapter and 
use it with any old vga display that supports the resolution). It's 
probably not too upgradeable, or it's a hassle to do so, given the 
all-in-one ness of it. Everymac .com suggests that at a resolution of 
832x624 with 1mb vram the 5200cd can only do 8-bit color, whereas an LCIII 
with max vram of 768k can do 832x624 with 16-bit color. Not too good 
there...

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:20:27 AM UTC-4, gtrmacs wrote:

  If anyone could actually let me know the worth of these ... 

 I t's a lowendmac Road Apple 
 http://lowendmac.com/2014/power-mac-and-performa-x200-road-apples/, not 
 so desirable?? 

 Tho' I used one in my workplace and was pleased with it at the time:P 

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Performa 5200cd info needed!

[Thomas Read]

Was wondering if anyone could give me some information on an old macintosh 
5200cd. I was told that it may be worth some money as it was only in production 
for a year in North America, I have a microtek scan maker 2 with it and the 
colorstylewriter 2400 and all original paperwork with games and floppy disks 
etc. with the actual macintosh it does not turn on but I'm sure there should be 
easily fixable as it is in perfect condition and has been very well looked 
after and not a spot of dust inside. 

If anyone could actually let me know the worth of these or just provide some 
information about them it would be brilliant, thank you very much for reading!

- thomascharlesr...@gmail.com

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Re: Performa 5200cd info needed!

['J.S. Garrison' via Vintage Macs]

My perspective: 

First, it's a Performa. A dead PRAM battery could prevent it from booting. Easy 
fix. It weighs nearly 50 pounds. Shipping to a collector would be costly. I 
don't think this model is a desirable one for Mac collectors. The scanner's 
usable limitedly. The Color Stylewriter 2400 was made by Canon for Apple. The 
cartridges are still available and they're not that expensive.

I refurbished, in my heyday, every Mac that came across my desk. If I owned it, 
I would make it work and clean it up. Just because.


Jeff
 


 From: Thomas Read thomascharlesr...@gmail.com
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:50 AM
Subject: Performa 5200cd info needed!
 

Was wondering if anyone could give me some information on an old macintosh 
5200cd. I was told that it may be worth some money as it was only in production 
for a year in North America, I have a microtek scan maker 2 with it and the 
colorstylewriter 2400 and all original paperwork with games and floppy disks 
etc. with the actual macintosh it does not turn on but I'm sure there should be 
easily fixable as it is in perfect condition and has been very well looked 
after and not a spot of dust inside. 

If anyone could actually let me know the worth of these or just provide some 
information about them it would be brilliant, thank you very much for reading!

- thomascharlesr...@gmail.com

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Re: Performa 637 CD-ROM replacement

[J.S. Garrison]

Well, I used to rely on FWB, the hard disk utility people, because their 
program, CD Tool Kit has an extension that contains a large bundle of drivers 
for non-Apple opticals. It's out there. I just don't know where to tell you to 
look. Google, maybe?



Jeff




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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Performa 637 CD-ROM replacement
 


Thank you for all of your help. I'll give it a try in the morning. It appears 
that a suitable driver still might be a problem. What is the FB tool kit that 
I might have to find?



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