Re: IIci battery issues

[Jonathan Morton]

I forget whether the IIci will run without a PRAM battery (several of the
II series won't) but you should be able to attach a hard disk to the
external SCSI port without further modification. It will need external
power in that case.

You can try to power up the machine without either battery or disk. If it's
working, you should get the flashing question mark on the screen. It's
possible that it needs the battery just to trigger the PSU though.

The PRAM battery, if you need one, will be the standard half-AA 3.6V
lithium cell for almost all desktop Mac models from the II to the G5. The
battery holder is also standard and distinctive for that type, so
exceptions to that rule are easy to identify. OWC are a reliable source for
these batteries, though not the only one. It should be possible to clear
the corrosion using emery paper - an old DIY trick for bicycle lamps.

- Jonathan Morton
 On Jan 20, 2013 10:33 PM, "Sarah Crabbleapple" 
wrote:

> I dug a IIci out of the attic and finally got it pulled apart this
> morning. The PRAM battery exploded at some point, and has corroded its
> holder and the hard drive socket on the motherboard. If I take the battery
> holder off, can the IIci run without one? If not, what battery does it
> need? And is it possible to route the hard drive through one of the
> expansion slots?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: IIci battery issues

[James Fraser]

Hello,

--- On Sun, 1/20/13, Sarah Crabbleapple  wrote:

> I dug a IIci out of the attic and
> finally got it pulled apart this morning. The PRAM battery
> exploded at some point, and has corroded its holder and the
> hard drive socket on the motherboard. If I take the battery
> holder off, can the IIci run without one? 

Based on these three remarks:

>My IIci works with no PRAM battery installed so I don't think it's that, >it 
>doesn't even seem to need the double-boot trick that some machines do >to get 
>them started with a dead battery - 

>Yeah, in the case of the IIci (i have several) there's not that much to go 
>>wrong. Even boots without a PRAM battery. As long as the harddisk is still 
>>ok - and if not it's easy to swap in this model - it nearly always works.

>I've run a IIci for years without a PRAM battery. It boots fine, of course 
>>the date and time is incorrect.


...it sounds like, yes, the IIci will run without a PRAM battery installed.


Best,

James Fraser


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Re: IIci battery issues

[Robert Hesson]

I believe it will run without a battery.

Go to an electronics or automotive supply store and buy a high grade 
electronics cleaner/contact cleaner that is plastics safe. It will neutralize 
the acid and remove it. Let it dry overnight and it should be good as new. 

I do this frequently with production computer equipment and it works great!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Jonathan Morton  wrote:

> I forget whether the IIci will run without a PRAM battery (several of the II 
> series won't) but you should be able to attach a hard disk to the external 
> SCSI port without further modification. It will need external power in that 
> case.
> 
> You can try to power up the machine without either battery or disk. If it's 
> working, you should get the flashing question mark on the screen. It's 
> possible that it needs the battery just to trigger the PSU though.
> 
> The PRAM battery, if you need one, will be the standard half-AA 3.6V lithium 
> cell for almost all desktop Mac models from the II to the G5. The battery 
> holder is also standard and distinctive for that type, so exceptions to that 
> rule are easy to identify. OWC are a reliable source for these batteries, 
> though not the only one. It should be possible to clear the corrosion using 
> emery paper - an old DIY trick for bicycle lamps.
> 
> - Jonathan Morton
> On Jan 20, 2013 10:33 PM, "Sarah Crabbleapple"  wrote:
>> I dug a IIci out of the attic and finally got it pulled apart this morning. 
>> The PRAM battery exploded at some point, and has corroded its holder and the 
>> hard drive socket on the motherboard. If I take the battery holder off, can 
>> the IIci run without one? If not, what battery does it need? And is it 
>> possible to route the hard drive through one of the expansion slots?
>> 
>> Thanks!
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Re: IIci battery issues

[Sarah]

It had shown some signs of life before I found the blown battery; the 
PSU spins up, and the hard drive hiccups. This machine has always been a 
bit tetchy with hard disks, and I thought at first that the currently 
installed one had just finished dying. It's fun to tell all the kids in 
my classes about smacking the computer to get it to boot.


A good deal of the acid came off with a toothbrush and warm water. I'll 
see if I can find some contact cleaner to clear the rest, and get the 
floppy drive defurred to find out if it can boot from floppy.


Thanks!

Sarah

On 1/20/2013 8:50 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:

I believe it will run without a battery.

Go to an electronics or automotive supply store and buy a high grade 
electronics cleaner/contact cleaner that is plastics safe. It will 
neutralize the acid and remove it. Let it dry overnight and it should 
be good as new.


I do this frequently with production computer equipment and it works 
great!


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Re: IIci battery issues

[Jonathan Morton]

I wonder, is it common for lithium cells to leak like that? I've had it
happen with alkalines quite often, but I also have my IIcx's original
battery from 1990 and that is still intact (just very very dead). The circa
2000 vintage batteries from my Quadra and 8100 have also not leaked.

Perhaps it has something to do with heat or humidity. I live in a
relatively cool part of the world.

- Jonathan Morton
 On Jan 21, 2013 4:38 AM, "Sarah"  wrote:

>  It had shown some signs of life before I found the blown battery; the
> PSU spins up, and the hard drive hiccups. This machine has always been a
> bit tetchy with hard disks, and I thought at first that the currently
> installed one had just finished dying. It's fun to tell all the kids in my
> classes about smacking the computer to get it to boot.
>
> A good deal of the acid came off with a toothbrush and warm water. I'll
> see if I can find some contact cleaner to clear the rest, and get the
> floppy drive defurred to find out if it can boot from floppy.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sarah
>
> On 1/20/2013 8:50 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:
>
> I believe it will run without a battery.
>
>  Go to an electronics or automotive supply store and buy a high grade
> electronics cleaner/contact cleaner that is plastics safe. It will
> neutralize the acid and remove it. Let it dry overnight and it should be
> good as new.
>
>  I do this frequently with production computer equipment and it works
> great!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: IIci battery issues

[Robert Hesson]

The extremes of temperatures can do that to lithium batteries.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Jonathan Morton  wrote:

> I wonder, is it common for lithium cells to leak like that? I've had it 
> happen with alkalines quite often, but I also have my IIcx's original battery 
> from 1990 and that is still intact (just very very dead). The circa 2000 
> vintage batteries from my Quadra and 8100 have also not leaked.
> 
> Perhaps it has something to do with heat or humidity. I live in a relatively 
> cool part of the world.
> 
> - Jonathan Morton
> On Jan 21, 2013 4:38 AM, "Sarah"  wrote:
>> It had shown some signs of life before I found the blown battery; the PSU 
>> spins up, and the hard drive hiccups. This machine has always been a bit 
>> tetchy with hard disks, and I thought at first that the currently installed 
>> one had just finished dying. It's fun to tell all the kids in my classes 
>> about smacking the computer to get it to boot.
>> 
>> A good deal of the acid came off with a toothbrush and warm water. I'll see 
>> if I can find some contact cleaner to clear the rest, and get the floppy 
>> drive defurred to find out if it can boot from floppy.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> On 1/20/2013 8:50 PM, Robert Hesson wrote:
>>> I believe it will run without a battery.
>>> 
>>> Go to an electronics or automotive supply store and buy a high grade 
>>> electronics cleaner/contact cleaner that is plastics safe. It will 
>>> neutralize the acid and remove it. Let it dry overnight and it should be 
>>> good as new. 
>>> 
>>> I do this frequently with production computer equipment and it works great!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: IIci battery issues

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- On Sun, 1/20/13, Sarah Crabbleapple  wrote:

I dug a IIci out of the attic and finally got it pulled apart this morning. The 
PRAM battery exploded at some point, and has corroded its holder and the hard 
drive socket on the motherboard. If I take the battery holder off, can the IIci 
run without one? If not, what battery does it need? And is it possible to route 
the hard drive through one of the expansion slots? 

Thanks!

First things first. The board needs cleaned. Easiest way is to take it out, 
take the RAM SIMMs off it then use liquid dish soap, warm water and an old 
toothbrush to scrub off the battery goo.

Rinse with a lot of water, followed by 91% rubbing alcohol. Park the board on 
edge for a day in the sun, in front of a heat vent or if lacking sun and heat 
vents, a couple of hours in a food dehydrator set to 85 degrees Fahrenheit 
followed by day of further time to dry.

No food dehydrator? Let it sit on edge for two days, preferably with a fan 
blowing at it.

DO NOT try to dry the board in an oven. DO NOT use a hair dryer or heat gun.

The battery required is a 3.6 volt lithium, 1/2 AA size.

Before you try any repairs, after cleaning and drying the board, put the IIci 
back together, without connecting the floppy and hard drive cables, and see if 
it'll boot up.

You want to see the Happy Mac icon followed by a flashing floppy disk icon with 
a question mark. That shows the board and RAM have passed bootup tests and its 
looking for a bootable disk or hard drive.

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Re: IIci battery issues

[James Fraser]

Hello,

--- On Sun, 1/20/13, Sarah  wrote:

> It had shown some signs of life before I found the blown battery; 

While I think of it: do you have the blown battery handy?

I ask because I am wondering what brand the battery is (or, rather, was).


Best,

James Fraser

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Re: IIci battery issues

[Charles Lenington]

On 1/20/13 9:06 PM, Jonathan Morton wrote:


I wonder, is it common for lithium cells to leak like that? I've had 
it happen with alkalines quite often, but I also have my IIcx's 
original battery from 1990 and that is still intact (just very very 
dead). The circa 2000 vintage batteries from my Quadra and 8100 have 
also not lea




snip---

I have seen them leak on several boards. That's why I always pull the 
batteries when I buy a lot of computers.


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Re: IIci battery issues

[Sarah Crabbleapple]

It's a Maxell. The remnants of it are really rather impressive; the
positive terminal appears to have attempted to turn into a popgun.

Sarah

On 21 January 2013 01:10, James Fraser  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> --- On Sun, 1/20/13, Sarah  wrote:
>
> > It had shown some signs of life before I found the blown battery;
>
> While I think of it: do you have the blown battery handy?
>
> I ask because I am wondering what brand the battery is (or, rather, was).
>
>
> Best,
>
> James Fraser
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Re: IIci battery issues

[James Fraser]

Hello,

--- On Mon, 1/21/13, Sarah Crabbleapple  wrote:

>It's a Maxell. The remnants of it are really rather impressive; the >positive 
>terminal appears to have attempted to turn into a popgun.

Thank you for confirming the brand.

Yes, unfortunately, Maxells don't seem to fare very well when left in vintage 
Macs long-term.  I asked about the brand because there was a very exciting 
thread concerning Maxell PRAM batteries on 68kmla:

http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18222

The Tadiran-branded batteries don't seem to be entirely immune from the 
mini-grenade effect when left alone for years on end (see page 2 above), but if 
that thread is to be believed, it's the Maxells that are particularly prone to 
leaking and damaging the motherboard.

(Not that leaving dead batteries installed in -anything- is a good idea, of 
course.)

If you have any more Macs in the attic, this might be a good time to open them 
up and yank out the PRAM batteries so you don't end up with any more, uh, 
popguns going off. :/


Best,

James Fraser

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Re: IIci battery issues

[Jeff Walther]

On Jan 20, 9:06 pm, Jonathan Morton  wrote:
> I wonder, is it common for lithium cells to leak like that? I've had it
> happen with alkalines quite often, but I also have my IIcx's original
> battery from 1990 and that is still intact (just very very dead). The circa
> 2000 vintage batteries from my Quadra and 8100 have also not leaked.

It has been suggested that some brands are more prone to exploding
than others.  I don't think anyone has collected statistically
reliable evidence though.



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Re: IIci battery issues

[Jeff Walther]

On Jan 20, 2:33 pm, Sarah Crabbleapple  wrote:
> I dug a IIci out of the attic and finally got it pulled apart this morning.
> The PRAM battery exploded at some point, and has corroded its holder and
> the hard drive socket on the motherboard. If I take the battery holder off,
> can the IIci run without one? If not, what battery does it need? And is it
> possible to route the hard drive through one of the expansion slots?

Battery holder:



Cover for battery holder:



Jeff Walther

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Re: IIci battery issues

[Sarah]

Thank you. I should have clarified that to "when I take the holder off." 
At least the layout mostly contained the damage; the floppy rack seems 
to have protected the PSU without taking significant damage, and the 
floppy drive itself only has surface corrosion from what I can tell, 
although those are some blasted soft screws and it's still in its slot.


I took the battery out of the Performa this morning, and the Old Man's 
has been gone for awhile. Do I need to worry about the iMac CRT?


Sarah

On 1/21/2013 12:10 PM, Jeff Walther wrote:

Battery holder:



Cover for battery holder:



Jeff Walther



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RE: IIci battery issues

[Jason Johnson]

Yes the iMac has a barrel half AA battery also.

> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:45:48 -0500
> From: crabbleap...@gmail.com
> To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IIci battery issues
> 
> Thank you. I should have clarified that to "when I take the holder off." 
> At least the layout mostly contained the damage; the floppy rack seems 
> to have protected the PSU without taking significant damage, and the 
> floppy drive itself only has surface corrosion from what I can tell, 
> although those are some blasted soft screws and it's still in its slot.
> 
> I took the battery out of the Performa this morning, and the Old Man's 
> has been gone for awhile. Do I need to worry about the iMac CRT?
> 
> Sarah
> 
> On 1/21/2013 12:10 PM, Jeff Walther wrote:
> > Battery holder:
> >
> > <http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/108/108KK-ND/275347>
> >
> > Cover for battery holder:
> >
> > <http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/108C/108CK-ND/275346>
> >
> > Jeff Walther
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Re: IIci battery issues

[Jon Gilbert]

Sadly I had the same thing happen. Maxell battery exploded and I did not notice 
it before it corroded the heck out of my machine while in storage. Want to join 
a class-action lawsuit against Maxell with me for making defective batteries? 
LOL. I feel Maxell owes me a Mac IIci...!

Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR

On Jan 21, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Sarah Crabbleapple  wrote:

> It's a Maxell. The remnants of it are really rather impressive; the positive 
> terminal appears to have attempted to turn into a popgun.
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> Sarah
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> On 21 January 2013 01:10, James Fraser  
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> Hello,
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/20/13, Sarah  wrote:
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> > It had shown some signs of life before I found the blown battery;
> 
> While I think of it: do you have the blown battery handy?
> 
> I ask because I am wondering what brand the battery is (or, rather, was).
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> Best,
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RE: IIci battery issues

[Wesley Furr]

I've started working towards going through my computer collection and making
sure all batteries are removed...and it's been a depressing experience so
far.  From what I've read, in the Mac world, Maxell batteries are bad news.
In the PC world, seems like everything I have with a non-button cell type
battery is leaking...at least the 4 or 5 or so I've gotten to so far.  And
all but one have been dead...and the one that is still alive won't recognize
a keyboard that is plugged in.  :-(  The worst was the old IBM AT 5170
motherboard I had in a drawer...stupid me left the 4xAA CMOS battery holder
laying on top of the board, face down, with batteries still installed.
Ugh...and to add insult to injury, another of my semi-treasured motherboards
was laying on top and leaked some battery crap down onto it...so somewhere
between those two...it's dead...plus the one that had been laying on top of
it is dead too.  Heavy sigh...  Many of the older 386/486 era PC's have a
soldered-on NiCd or NiMH battery, and they all seem to be leaking deadly
goop...which means you have to take the board out to get the snips to the
area to remove said battery.  I need to get to the Mac's as well...got a
IIci and IIcx (or something like that)...hoping they aren't damaged.  Then
there are the LC's...and I know some of those need new caps...  I didn't
know computer collecting could be time consuming as well!

So...the moral of the story...go through everything and TAKE OUT THE
BATTERIES!!!

Wesley


-Original Message-

Sadly I had the same thing happen. Maxell battery exploded and I did not
notice it before it corroded the heck out of my machine while in storage.
Want to join a class-action lawsuit against Maxell with me for making
defective batteries? LOL. I feel Maxell owes me a Mac IIci...!

Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR

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Re: IIci battery issues

[J.S. Garrison]

I just picked up a Mac Classic from an ad on Craigslist last week. It rattled 
when I carried it to my car from the seller's and I had the dread.

At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked 
and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted
part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a 
motherboard repair or swap.

Jeff





 From: Wesley Furr 
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: IIci battery issues
 

I've started working towards going through my computer collection and making
sure all batteries are removed...and it's been a depressing experience so
far.  From what I've read, in the Mac world, Maxell batteries are bad news.
In the PC world, seems like everything I have with a non-button cell type
battery is leaking...at least the 4 or 5 or so I've gotten to so far.  And
all but one have been dead...and the one that is still alive won't recognize
a keyboard that is plugged in.  :-(  The worst was the old IBM AT 5170
motherboard I had in a drawer...stupid me left the 4xAA CMOS battery holder
laying on top of the board, face down, with batteries still installed.
Ugh...and to add insult to injury, another of my semi-treasured motherboards
was laying on top and leaked some battery crap down onto it...so somewhere
between those two...it's dead...plus the one that had been laying on top of
it is dead too.  Heavy sigh...  Many of the older 386/486 era PC's have a
soldered-on NiCd or NiMH battery, and they all seem to be leaking deadly
goop...which means you have to take the board out to get the snips to the
area to remove said battery.  I need to get to the Mac's as well...got a
IIci and IIcx (or something like that)...hoping they aren't damaged.  Then
there are the LC's...and I know some of those need new caps...  I didn't
know computer collecting could be time consuming as well!

So...the moral of the story...go through everything and TAKE OUT THE
BATTERIES!!!

Wesley


-Original Message-

Sadly I had the same thing happen. Maxell battery exploded and I did not
notice it before it corroded the heck out of my machine while in storage.
Want to join a class-action lawsuit against Maxell with me for making
defective batteries? LOL. I feel Maxell owes me a Mac IIci...!

Jon Gilbert, Portland, OR

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Re: IIci battery issues

[NODEraser]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, J.S. Garrison  wrote:
>
> At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked
> and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted
> part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a
> motherboard repair or swap.
>

A battery holder is a pretty easy soldering job.

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Re: IIci battery issues

[rfreitas]

Do you have an OS and any software you might share for a IIci?  Please reply 
either way!  Thanks!

- Original Message -
From: "NODEraser" 
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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:41:30 PM
Subject: Re: IIci battery issues

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, J.S. Garrison  wrote:
>
> At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked
> and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted
> part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a
> motherboard repair or swap.
>

A battery holder is a pretty easy soldering job.

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Re: IIci battery issues

[J.S. Garrison]

I know the solder-job is an easy one, but the battery was really corroded and I 
don't know the damage it caused. I have another
solution. 

The IIci used System 6. I have install floppies for 6.0.8, the most logical 
choice, and a large cache of apps, INITs/CDEVs and 
games for 6. 


Jeff





 From: "rfrei...@q.com" 
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: IIci battery issues
 

Do you have an OS and any software you might share for a IIci?  Please reply 
either way!  Thanks!

- Original Message -
From: "NODEraser" 
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:41:30 PM
Subject: Re: IIci battery issues

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, J.S. Garrison  wrote:
>
> At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked
> and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted
> part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a
> motherboard repair or swap.
>

A battery holder is a pretty easy soldering job.

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Re: IIci battery issues

[Marek Drvota]

Try this one I'd say there's quite a lot of software

http://max1zzz.co.uk/servers.html


M
On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:43 AM, rfrei...@q.com wrote:

> Do you have an OS and any software you might share for a IIci?  Please reply 
> either way!  Thanks!
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "NODEraser" 
> To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:41:30 PM
> Subject: Re: IIci battery issues
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, J.S. Garrison  wrote:
>> 
>> At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked
>> and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted
>> part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a
>> motherboard repair or swap.
>> 
> 
> A battery holder is a pretty easy soldering job.
> 
> -- 
> [Greg Bennett]
> -Independent Carpenter, Electrician & Lighting Designer
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Re: IIci battery issues

[J.S. Garrison]

Agreed, but the System 6 comes as a single 3MB .sit file.  Does it expand to 
floppies?

Jeff





 From: Marek Drvota 
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: IIci battery issues
 

Try this one I'd say there's quite a lot of software

http://max1zzz.co.uk/servers.html


M
On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:43 AM, rfrei...@q.com wrote:

> Do you have an OS and any software you might share for a IIci?  Please reply 
> either way!  Thanks!
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "NODEraser" 
> To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:41:30 PM
> Subject: Re: IIci battery issues
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, J.S. Garrison  wrote:
>> 
>> At home, I swiftly took it open and...the battery, a half-AA, had leaked
>> and rotted the "+" connector on the motherboard and rusted
>> part of the metal frame. It cleaned up ok, but now I have to ponder a
>> motherboard repair or swap.
>> 
> 
> A battery holder is a pretty easy soldering job.
> 
> -- 
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