Re: 2.5" Hard drive adapter?

[the pickle]

At 08:04 +0200 on 08/04/02, Joost van de Griek wrote:

>Provided the external case in question is for use with IDE drives, that is.
>
>If this is a SCSI case, no go.

Weeelll...you *could* put an ACARD adapter on the 2.5-to-3.5 IDE adapter,
but that seems a bit too much trouble (and REALLY expensive) for what's
likely a smaller-than-2GB drive.

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Re: 2.5" Hard drive adapter?

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2002-04-07 19:34, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 07:10 -0700 on 07/04/02, l k m wrote:
> 
>> I have a 2.5 inch hard drive pulled from a PowerBook (3400) that I'd love to
>> install into an external hard drive case (set up for the bigger Mac hard
>> drives, 50 pin) and use on my desktop Mac. Is there an adapter that'll alow
>> me to plug in this tiny little guy?
> 
> Hey, Bob F., this is your cue :)
> 
> (Yeah, there are adapters.  Should be about $20, I think.)

Provided the external case in question is for use with IDE drives, that is.

If this is a SCSI case, no go.

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Re: CD-ROM inside. Re: Yet another IIci question

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Teri Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 04:30 PM 04/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> >Make a spacer to fit between the lid and the case.
> >Step the top edge in to mimic the top edge of the
> >case. Some sheet metal should work. Any heating
> >and air conditioning shop should be able to make
> >up the spacer and roll the top edge to make the
> >step. 
> 
> Not unless I'm gonna put fins and chrome headlights
> on it too *grin*!
> Teri Pittman

If you don't want to use metal, there's various types
of plastic sheet that's thick enough for the job. :)

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Re: Yet Another IIci question

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Nope, the IIci CPU is not socketed. 

> It doesn't use the PDS slot it's an 030 socket
> upgrade, 

Right, see what I scribbled up there.

> although that's 
> slightly academic given that the IIci has a soldered
> CPU and it won't work anyway.

I scribbled that, too.

> I presume the Rocket is a PDS upgrade right?

Nope, it's a NuBus card. The original Rocket can
either completely take over the CPU function or act
as a Mac inside your Mac. The Stage II Rocket only
works as a seperate Mac. The accelerator function
of the original Rocket was very limited by the
slower speed of the NuBus so the faster CPU and
onboard RAM were choked by the bottleneck of the
NuBus. PDS or CPU socket accelerators work much
better since they have direct access to the CPU
data and address busses. I assume that's why the
Stage II didn't have the accelerator function.

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Re: Yet Another IIci question

[the pickle]

At 01:27 +0100 on 08/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

>it's no biggy until I hae to give the RR back. I presume the Rocket is a
>PDS upgrade right?

NuBus.

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Personal LWntr printing on LC475, CCII

[Teuila & Bertie Hall]

First of all, if this is the wrong list to post a printing problem to,
please email directly where I should go. I've been to fixyourownprinter.com
with no help. No one there answers my posts.

A used Personal LaserWriter NTR that I just got will print okay from
LC475/OS8.1 and Color Classic with 550 board/OS7.5.5. Software driver is
Laserwriter 8.

The problem is that all pages are dark, not real dark, but the page is sort
of grey. I tried the LW utility to adjust it but all the options are shaded
out. The switch setting on the back is set to "0". I am using a regular
printer cable connecting directly from either of the two macs' printer ports
with no problem. Also, I removed the toner cartridge and carefully wiped off
the toner "dust" on the green roller. Didn't help. Same output: grey page
with printed file/document. I have printed about 40 pages with no
improvement. The LW utility says the page count is 8717.

Don't know when the cartridge was changed last, and I don't have a
replacement one to try.
Anyone had any experience with this model printing off of an LC475 or CC550
Mac (straining to keep this on topic)? Any comments or suggestions are
greatly appreciated.

Thanks again and God bless this list. You guys are great!

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Re: CD-ROM inside. Re: Yet another IIci question

[Teri Pittman]

At 04:30 PM 04/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Make a spacer to fit between the lid and the case.
>Step the top edge in to mimic the top edge of the
>case. Some sheet metal should work. Any heating
>and air conditioning shop should be able to make
>up the spacer and roll the top edge to make the
>step. 

Not unless I'm gonna put fins and chrome headlights on it too *grin*!
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Re: Mouse Systems Corp.'s "A+ Mouse ADB" ?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > The other one is the sensor. It most likely needs
> > a special mouse pad.

> I spoke to a guy not so long ago, or it may have been on a list, that 
> had a few Mouse Systems optical mice. They have metal mouse pads with 
> dots on IIRC.

The Mouse Systems mouse that I have connected to my Solbourne S4100/36 has
a metal mouse pad with a dark silver ink grid on it. It won't work with
anything else.

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Re: Mouse Systems Corp.'s "A+ Mouse ADB" ?

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 12:50 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> The other one is the sensor. It most likely needs
> a special mouse pad. Try drawing up some various
> grids in a graphics program then print them out in
> black and white. You want them in 1bit, pure black and
> white. Try a grid of dots too. No idea if that will
> work but it's worth a shot. Mouse Systems is (was?)
> a company that's incredibly difficult to get any
> product info out of. :P

I spoke to a guy not so long ago, or it may have been on a list, that 
had a few Mouse Systems optical mice. They have metal mouse pads with 
dots on IIRC.

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Re: Yet Another IIci question

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 12:42 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> --- Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have a Daystar PowerCache 030 upgrade in my SE/30
>> that plugs into the
>> CPU socket complete with cache and FPU. Will it work
>> in a IIci, if so is
>> it worth pulling out of my SE/30 (which hardly gets
>> used) and whacking
>> it in my soon-to-be-had IIci? I kinda thought seeing
>> as they were both
>> 1989 vintage 030 machines they might be cross
>> compatible?
>
> Nope, the IIci CPU is not socketed. Prior to the
> release of the IIci, DayStar made different
> accelerators for each Mac. After the IIci all the
> DayStar accelerators for 030 Macs were designed for
> the IIci PDS/Cache slot and used adaptors for
> Macs that didn't have the IIci type slot. The SE/30
> and IIsi PDS is the same connector as the IIci but
> they are not electrically compatable.
>
> I'd leave it in the SE/30. With that one you still
> have the PDS free for a network card, video card etc.

It doesn't use the PDS slot it's an 030 socket upgrade, although that's 
slightly academic given that the IIci has a soldered CPU and it won't 
work anyway. I am getting a Radius Rocket with it on loan, as I said, so 
it's no biggy until I hae to give the RR back. I presume the Rocket is a 
PDS upgrade right?

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Re: Mouse Systems Corp.'s "A+ Mouse ADB" ?

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Luc Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> All I got was the mouse, so no documentation,
> drivers, special mouse pad, ...
> 
> Anyone has got this thing ? Should it work just like
> that, or do I 
> need anything special ?
> 
> The mouse has two LEDs on the bottom. When plugged
> in, only one of 
> them emits any light (red). Is that normal ?

The other one is the sensor. It most likely needs
a special mouse pad. Try drawing up some various
grids in a graphics program then print them out in
black and white. You want them in 1bit, pure black and
white. Try a grid of dots too. No idea if that will
work but it's worth a shot. Mouse Systems is (was?)
a company that's incredibly difficult to get any
product info out of. :P

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Re: 2.5" Hard drive adapter?

[rlf9]

Vintage Macs wrote...

>Subject: 2.5" Hard drive adapter?
>From: l k m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I have a 2.5 inch hard drive pulled from a PowerBook (3400) that I'd love to
>install into an external hard drive case (set up for the bigger Mac hard
>drives, 50 pin) and use on my desktop Mac. Is there an adapter that'll alow
>me to plug in this tiny little guy?

There is one that'll work (as long as your desktop also uses an IDE 
drive, that is). Find 'em at Computer Geeks .

Bob F

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Re: Yet Another IIci question

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a Daystar PowerCache 030 upgrade in my SE/30
> that plugs into the 
> CPU socket complete with cache and FPU. Will it work
> in a IIci, if so is 
> it worth pulling out of my SE/30 (which hardly gets
> used) and whacking 
> it in my soon-to-be-had IIci? I kinda thought seeing
> as they were both 
> 1989 vintage 030 machines they might be cross
> compatible?

Nope, the IIci CPU is not socketed. Prior to the
release of the IIci, DayStar made different
accelerators for each Mac. After the IIci all the
DayStar accelerators for 030 Macs were designed for
the IIci PDS/Cache slot and used adaptors for
Macs that didn't have the IIci type slot. The SE/30
and IIsi PDS is the same connector as the IIci but
they are not electrically compatable.

I'd leave it in the SE/30. With that one you still
have the PDS free for a network card, video card etc.

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CD-ROM inside. Re: Yet another IIci question

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:20 -0700 on 07/04/02, Teri Pittman wrote:
> 
> >I take it that the best way to add a modem to a
> IIci is to get an external
> 
> Try "only" way.  The one NuBus modem I've ever seen
> was 2400bps.
> 
> >Also, about adding a CD, I'm guessing I would want
> an external SCSI CD.
> 
> Uh-huh.  Without doing some very severe
> re-engineering of the chassis,
> there's no way you'll ever get a CD-ROM inside it.

Make a spacer to fit between the lid and the case.
Step the top edge in to mimic the top edge of the
case. Some sheet metal should work. Any heating
and air conditioning shop should be able to make
up the spacer and roll the top edge to make the
step. Then it'd need some internal bracketry to
support the CD-ROM drive.

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Re: Another IIci question

[Mark Benson]

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 10:06 PM, the pickle wrote:

> At 19:51 +0100 on 07/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:
>
>> Yeh - RocketShare is a cool sounding app. Does it run the second 'Mac'
>> in a window?
>
> Yep, or you can run it in full-screen mode on a second monitor.  Really
> cool stuff.  Too bad it doesn't like running with anything past about 
> 7.1.
> (It'll work with 7.5 if you kill all the Open Transport stuff.)

I was going to run OS 6.0.8 (if it works) in a window in 7.1 for the 
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Re: Yet Another IIci question

[the pickle]

At 19:49 +0100 on 07/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

>I have a Daystar PowerCache 030 upgrade in my SE/30 that plugs into the
>CPU socket complete with cache and FPU. Will it work in a IIci, if so is

No.

>it worth pulling out of my SE/30 (which hardly gets used) and whacking

Definitely not.

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Re: Another IIci question

[the pickle]

At 19:51 +0100 on 07/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

>Yeh - RocketShare is a cool sounding app. Does it run the second 'Mac'
>in a window?

Yep, or you can run it in full-screen mode on a second monitor.  Really
cool stuff.  Too bad it doesn't like running with anything past about 7.1.
(It'll work with 7.5 if you kill all the Open Transport stuff.)

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Re: PRAM question

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2002-04-07 8:27, "Scott Barber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So I got to wondering hows that work, and what info is placed in the pram
> when a drive is formated.
> 
> So that got me wondering what other info could be placed there, perhaps
> forgoing some items. (Like a Gamba boot floppy image :O of course I'm
> refering to using Gamba's creative processnot that 7xxK will
> fit in the pram!)
> 
> I was wondering if something like that could be used to creatively prepare
> the mac for booting min. systems, or boot straping with Penguin
> semi-automatically

Nope... Macs are heavily reliant on their ROM, and the ROM tells them to
look for a Mac OS system folder, nothing else, on the designated boot drive
when starting up. There doesn't have to be anything on the so-called "boot
sector" of the drive, just a valid system folder.

That is the reason that (on vintage Macs), you always have to start from Mac
OS to get to an alternative OS.

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Re: What's in a PRAM...

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2002-04-06 5:54, "Gregg Eshelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- Joost van de Griek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> The time of manufacture and the hours-of-use counter aren't cleared with a
>> normal PRAM zap. They can be cleared only by a "deep zap", [...]
>
> Let a vintage Mac sit around for a month or so with a dead or missing PRAM
> battery and the manufacturing date and hours of use will go *poof*.

Ah, yes... PRAM is still RAM, so with all power removed the contents will be
erased. My point is, some things will not be cleared by going through the
usual steps for clearing the PRAM, i.e. Holding down Command and Option when
starting the Finder.

In other words, what you just described constitutes a "deep zap".

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Re: Mouse Systems Corp.'s "A+ Mouse ADB" ?

[Scott Holder]

At 10:04 PM 4/7/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>A couple of weeks ago, I bought an "A+ Mouse ADB". It's an optical
>mouse, manufactured by Mouse Systems Corp.
>
>Thanks
>
>Luc Verhelst

I would guess this is one of the mice that does need a special mouse pad to 
work. The work-anywhere optical mice are a reasonably recent invention.

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Mouse Systems Corp.'s "A+ Mouse ADB" ?

[Luc Verhelst]

Hello,

A couple of weeks ago, I bought an "A+ Mouse ADB". It's an optical 
mouse, manufactured by Mouse Systems Corp. I have been trying to find 
information on it, but all I could come up with is this page : 
http://www.zdnet.co.jp/macwire/0111/30/r_opticordless.html. It's in 
japanese, but it has two pictures of the mouse halfway down the page. 
(I ran it through Babelfish, and I can understand enough of it to 
know that the page doesn't have much info besides the photographs).

I tried to get it to work, without success. When I plug it into my 
Duo 270, I can't move the pointer, but I can use the mouse's button 
to click.  (Surprisingly, the mouse stops the foremost button on the 
Duo from working. The Duo's top button still works, though.)

All I got was the mouse, so no documentation, drivers, special mouse pad, ...

Anyone has got this thing ? Should it work just like that, or do I 
need anything special ?

The mouse has two LEDs on the bottom. When plugged in, only one of 
them emits any light (red). Is that normal ?

Thanks

Luc Verhelst

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Re: Another IIci question

[Mark Benson]

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 06:33 PM, the pickle wrote:

>> I was about to say, if you are so impressed by the 50MHz 030s why not
>> try a Radius Rocket 040. I have a friend... says it boots 6.0.8 in 5 
>> seconds :).
>
> Yeah, they're pretty damn cool too.  The Stage Twos are a lot better 
> than
> the originals, but they can't be used as standalone accelerators :(

Yeh - RocketShare is a cool sounding app. Does it run the second 'Mac' 
in a window?

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Yet Another IIci question

[Mark Benson]

I have a Daystar PowerCache 030 upgrade in my SE/30 that plugs into the 
CPU socket complete with cache and FPU. Will it work in a IIci, if so is 
it worth pulling out of my SE/30 (which hardly gets used) and whacking 
it in my soon-to-be-had IIci? I kinda thought seeing as they were both 
1989 vintage 030 machines they might be cross compatible?
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Re: 2.5" Hard drive adapter?

[the pickle]

At 07:10 -0700 on 07/04/02, l k m wrote:

>I have a 2.5 inch hard drive pulled from a PowerBook (3400) that I'd love to
>install into an external hard drive case (set up for the bigger Mac hard
>drives, 50 pin) and use on my desktop Mac. Is there an adapter that'll alow
>me to plug in this tiny little guy?

Hey, Bob F., this is your cue :)

(Yeah, there are adapters.  Should be about $20, I think.)

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Re: Yet another IIci question

[the pickle]

At 10:20 -0700 on 07/04/02, Teri Pittman wrote:

>I take it that the best way to add a modem to a IIci is to get an external

Try "only" way.  The one NuBus modem I've ever seen was 2400bps.

>Also, about adding a CD, I'm guessing I would want an external SCSI CD.

Uh-huh.  Without doing some very severe re-engineering of the chassis,
there's no way you'll ever get a CD-ROM inside it.

>Oh yeah, hard drive upgrades (it has 280MB presently).  I take it that this
>would be set up with multiple partitions, since OS 7.1 can't handle larger
>disks.

280MB will be fine; anything over 2 GB is what you'll want to watch out for.

>I'm also a bit confused about when to use Mode 32.  I am still working my

The IIci doesn't need it, ever.

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Re: Another IIci question

[the pickle]

At 10:56 +0100 on 07/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

>On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 06:54 AM, J.S. Garrison wrote:
>
>> I'm kinda spoiled. I like the Daystar 68040/33 accelerator.
>
>I was about to say, if you are so impressed by the 50MHz 030s why not
>try a Radius Rocket 040. I have a friend who is supplying my IIci that
>is lending me his Rocket (he is too busy to play with it) 33Mhz card
>with the machine (I will probably end up buying the RR off him anyway).
>He says it boots 6.0.8 in 5 seconds :).

Yeah, they're pretty damn cool too.  The Stage Twos are a lot better than
the originals, but they can't be used as standalone accelerators :(

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Re: Yet another IIci question

[Scott Holder]

At 10:20 AM 4/7/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Okay, while we're all out happily hunting accelerator cards.
>
>I take it that the best way to add a modem to a IIci is to get an external
>serial port type.  Am I right or am I missing something?  I do know that
>externals are generally more stable, but have used internals in the PCs
>I've owned.

I think I've only ever seen maybe one Nubus modem, and it was slow. If you 
want a decent speed modem, you'll want an external.


>Also, about adding a CD, I'm guessing I would want an external SCSI CD.
>I'm still waiting on this computer to arrive, but I understand space is
>pretty limited inside.

You'd have to cut the case to add a CD internally. Unless you're up for 
some dremelling you'll want to hang it on the outside.


>Oh yeah, hard drive upgrades (it has 280MB presently).  I take it that this
>would be set up with multiple partitions, since OS 7.1 can't handle larger
>disks.

I think 7.1 will do up to 2 gigs... something like that. I've run it on up 
to 1 gig anyway.


>I'm also a bit confused about when to use Mode 32.  I am still working my
>way through the LowEndMac site, so feel free to point me to documentation
>on that site.

Shouldn't need it on the IIci. It's 32 bit clean.


>Thanks again!
>Teri Pittman

Hope this helps ;)
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Yet another IIci question

[Teri Pittman]

Okay, while we're all out happily hunting accelerator cards.

I take it that the best way to add a modem to a IIci is to get an external
serial port type.  Am I right or am I missing something?  I do know that
externals are generally more stable, but have used internals in the PCs
I've owned.

Also, about adding a CD, I'm guessing I would want an external SCSI CD.
I'm still waiting on this computer to arrive, but I understand space is
pretty limited inside.

Oh yeah, hard drive upgrades (it has 280MB presently).  I take it that this
would be set up with multiple partitions, since OS 7.1 can't handle larger
disks.  

I'm also a bit confused about when to use Mode 32.  I am still working my
way through the LowEndMac site, so feel free to point me to documentation
on that site.

Thanks again!
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Re: Another IIci question

[Mark Benson]

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 06:54 AM, J.S. Garrison wrote:

> I'm kinda spoiled. I like the Daystar 68040/33 accelerator.

I was about to say, if you are so impressed by the 50MHz 030s why not 
try a Radius Rocket 040. I have a friend who is supplying my IIci that 
is lending me his Rocket (he is too busy to play with it) 33Mhz card 
with the machine (I will probably end up buying the RR off him anyway). 
He says it boots 6.0.8 in 5 seconds :).

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Re: Another IIci question

[Mark Benson]

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 02:37 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> Well, if you can dig up a 50Mhz DayStar 030 PowerCache
> with FPU for cheap, it's worth it for a IIci. Gives
> quite the boost up in speed. I think the proper
> install
> sequence for the PowerCache control panel is in the
> FAQ.

Here, here. The Daystar 50MHz card in my SE/30 makes if go like a 
rocket, although it gets a little warm in the confines of that case

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2.5" Hard drive adapter?

[l k m]

I have a 2.5 inch hard drive pulled from a PowerBook (3400) that I'd love to
install into an external hard drive case (set up for the bigger Mac hard
drives, 50 pin) and use on my desktop Mac. Is there an adapter that'll alow
me to plug in this tiny little guy?

Thanks,
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Re: Another IIci question

[Cameron Kaiser]

> > And pretty much any of them are outrageously fast
> > with System 6.  (The
> > Turbo 601s won't work with 6, but the rest of the
> > Daystars for the IIci will.)
> 
> The DayStar 030 PowerCache also works with A/UX! :)

Ooo! I'll have to try that!

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