Re: Swedish keyboard with US system?

2002-04-10 Thread Marten van de Kraats


On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 08:02 , Robert Lundqvist wrote:

 Thanks for the suggestions, and yes, I've found these old system at the
 suggested website. However, the files I receive after download are not
 possible to open. They are listed as *.hqx files on the website, but 
 nothing
 happens when StuffIt is started. I get no disk images as I suppose they
 should become in the end. Have I missed anything here?

You probably did, because I  remember downloading them in the past with 
success.
What version of Stuffit Expander do you use?

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IIci VS Q700. Re: Ripping Video

2002-04-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You have a Q700 yourself or a IIci?
 
 I've got both. The Q700 is rather limited with RAM
 expansion because 
 it only has 4 simm slots to fill. Considering the
 fact that it is 
 very hard to get 8 mb or higher 30 pin simms for
 this model and I'm 
 not planning to spend any money on memory, I'm stuck
 with 20 mb 
 maximum (that's including the 4 mb on board. The
 IIci has 8 simm 
 slots, allowing 32 mb (8x4 mb).

So it's 3 NuBus slots and 8 SIMM slots VS 2 NuBus
and 4 SIMM. Now why in Job's name would anyone
want a Q700? All it has going for it is the 040 CPU
and built in Ethernet. If you're looking to upgrade
from a fully packed IIci you have to leave off
half your SIMMs and one NuBus card. Not too big a
hurt if one's an Ethernet card. But what if you
have a video card, a video capture card and a SCSI
card like a Jackhammer? That puts the Q700 right
out of contention!

I wish I knew what Apple was thinking when they
hobbled the Q700's expandability like that. :P

Now an 040 in the II/IIx/IIfx case with six NuBus
slots, 16 SIMM slots, built in 24bit video with
dedicated VRAM, built in Ethernet, fast SCSI II,
16bit 44Khz stereo audio in and out, THAT woulda
been a real killer Mac. ;) And it probably would've
cost $10K just like the IIfx did to start with.

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Odd LaserWriter File

2002-04-10 Thread Anders Anna-Lee Fager

Guys  Gals,

I'm serarching for a thing known as PLW SC/NT/NTR/LS Flowcharts that sorts out how 
the paper feed works in a LaserWriter NT works. Anyone who knows where to find it or 
knows the movement of all those little wheels and cogs by heart, please contact me.

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread rlf9



Vintage Macs wrote...

From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: my internet problem

At 01:59 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since VM before 8.1 was awful.

How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later, then?

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Re: Ripping Video

2002-04-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman

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 I wonder if the inability of 68Ks to turn off the
 startup RAM tests is a
 lack-of-software thing, or a
 lack-of-hardware-support-for-it thing.  With a
 PPC-upgraded 68K, you can turn off the startup RAM
 test with 8.5 or higher,
 but the 8.5 Memory control panel doesn't work with
 an older OS IIRC.

The DayStar control panel (at least for the Turbo 601)
has the feature to disable the RAM test. That works
back to system 7.5, which is the minimum System for
the Turbo 601. :)

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Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread Marten van de Kraats

Considering the fact that one can savely disable the fan in a LC as long 
as one doesn't use the hard disk (often), I wondered about the Mac II, 
which also has a 16 Mhz 68020 but in a much larger box.
What if I limit the machine to maximum 2 nubus cards and limit the use 
of the hard disk to a minimum? Or is that gigantic power supply (psu) 
that produces all the heat in this model?

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Re: Yet Another IIci question

2002-04-10 Thread Goetz Hoffart

 I have a Daystar PowerCache 030 upgrade in my SE/30 that plugs into the
 CPU socket complete with cache and FPU. Will it work in a IIci

It will not work without an adapter card.

The SE/30 PDS and the IIci PDS are *not* compatible.

Most accelerator cards were produced for the IIci PDS and delivered with
an adapter for the SE/30. So if you have such a card: lucky boy.

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Re: Swedish keyboard with US system?

2002-04-10 Thread Robert Lundqvist

 
 You probably did, because I  remember downloading them in the 
 past with 
 success.
 What version of Stuffit Expander do you use?
 

I tried both 4.01 and 5.5. 

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Re: looking for email/network help

2002-04-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman


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 Why are Asante network cards so cheep. Is it one to
 stay away from?
 jes

Because they're as common as dinosaur fossils in that
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palentologists could work year round. :)

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- rlf9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Vintage Macs wrote...
 
 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: my internet problem
 
 At 01:59 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:
 
 Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since
 VM before 8.1 was awful.
 
 How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later,
 then?

Still poor because of the way it works. It's lowest
amount is the amount of RAM you have plus one meg.
RAM Doubler with compression turned off is faster
at virtual memory than Apple's VM. RAM Charger works
through 8.1 to to replace Apple's memory
mismanagement.
(The essential functions of RAM Charger will work
with 8.5 and 8.6 but some of the extra goodies
don't due to changes in some dialog boxes.)

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Re: Yet Another IIci question

2002-04-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- Goetz Hoffart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have a Daystar PowerCache 030 upgrade in my
 SE/30 that plugs into the
  CPU socket complete with cache and FPU. Will it
 work in a IIci
 
 It will not work without an adapter card.
 
 The SE/30 PDS and the IIci PDS are *not* compatible.
 
 Most accelerator cards were produced for the IIci
 PDS and delivered with
 an adapter for the SE/30. So if you have such a
 card: lucky boy.

His upgrade is already installed. :) Prior to the
IIci, all the DayStar upgrades were custom designed
for each model of Mac, usually plugging into the
CPU socket. After the IIci came along, DayStar
standardized all their upgrades for 030 Macs on
the IIci cache slot and made adaptors for the older
Macs to provide them with a IIci compatable slot.

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Re: Mac Playmate

2002-04-10 Thread Randy Beaudreault

Anyone know where I can find Mac Playmate?

Jesse

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 02:12 AM, the pickle wrote:

 You shouldn't be running VM if at all possible anyway.  Yet another 
 reason
 not to use 7.5 or higher, since VM before 8.1 was awful.

I don't, I was just making the point :).

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Re: Internet jiggery pokery

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 11:42 PM, Eagle wrote:

 On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 04:24 , Mark Benson wrote:
 On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 08:01 PM, the pickle wrote:
 You can't, without something that speaks MacIP running on the server
 end.

 Well I solved that - IPNR talks MacIP :). I found a bit in the docs for
 IPNR (which I have read but to no avail) on sharing to LocalTalk
 Machines, pretty cool :).

 Remember I suggested that you read Amber's site about networking?
 That's why - she covered this in her pages. :)

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 02:11 AM, the pickle wrote:

 At 02:55 +0200 on 10/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

 System 6 makes a whole lot of difference. You won't believe how much
 better it is than system 7 at I/O stuff. It is a totally superior 
 server
 OS. I can't help it. It is just the truth. System 7 is very 
 inefficient.

 Marten: open your freaking eyes already.  System 6 doesn't run on any 
 Macs
 made after about 1991.

You open your eyes - we were talking about a IIci, that machine CAME 
with System 6.

 M...  I take it you are not the one paying the electricity bill in
 your household. Otherwise you might think a bit different about it...

 Mark, he has a point here.  The IIci sucks electricity like nobody's 
 business.

Damn, not my problem - I'm setting this up for my dad remember :).

 What I still don't get is where the heck the need for IP addressing on 
 an
 internal, not-connected-to-the-Internet, LAN is coming from.  If you 
 need
 to do file sharing in the absence of the iBook, you can - just not over
 TCP/IP.  But file sharing over TCP/IP is outrageously slow (especially
 compared to just AppleTalk over Ethernet) anyway, so there's *no 
 advantage*
 to it.
 Any other use that's been mentioned so far in this thread would require 
 an
 Internet connection, thus necessitating the placement of the iBook 
 *back*
 into the network.

Read this :

I am trying to provide a solution I can easily hook another OS X machine
or a PC too should I have to. I am trying to create a flexible network
infrastructure not just a bit of wet string to talk to a few Macs. I
apologise again for swearing at you guys but it stands that I need and
want DNS on the internal network, why are you trying to tell me I don't?

I posted that before you know, did you read it? The fact is I use 
AppleTalk for file sharing but also use other *internal* TCP/IP 
services, such as my Intranet server on MY LCIII. If you can make iCab 
work via AppleTalk without TCP/IP so I can read the saved web-pages in 
my LCIII I'd be glad to try it. Until then I keep my IP addresses. Also 
this network is both on and off the internet and, when I eventually find 
a modem (which I decided was a prudent course of action) I will need 
TCP/IP to use it. Thirdly it is always my policy as a network admin that 
a machine that may be capable of TCP/IP on a network is assigned an IP 
address, whether is currently uses it or not, to prevent later problems. 
Having machines floating around on a network with no IP addresses is bad 
mojo.

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 03:45 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

 Sys 6 is all well and good if you have a 1990 or earlier machine. It


 Aren't those the machines this list is all about?

I quote from the FAQ...:

Vintage Macs is a forum for users of 68020 and 68030-based Macintosh 
computers. This includes some compact Macs,* the Mac II series, and LCs.

Apple did not stop making 030 based Macs until the LCIII+ and equivalent 
all-in-one in 1993.

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Re: looking for email/network help

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 04:20 AM, Rob Jennings wrote:

 Why are Asante network cards so cheep. Is it one to stay away from?

 The only difficulty I have encountered is that some models are unable
 to auto-negotiate with auto-switching 10BT/100BT hubs or interfaces.
 For instance, I have three Asante MC3NB interfaces in my IIci and
 they are all unable to communicate with the auto-switching 10BT/100BT
 interface in my iMac.  This has been confirmed by Asante.

 You should have no problem in your router is strictly 10BT.

I have never had any problem with mine. Non of them are NuBus but I have 
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Re: IIci VS Q700. Re: Ripping Video

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 23:37 -0700 on 09/04/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

Now an 040 in the II/IIx/IIfx case with six NuBus
slots, 16 SIMM slots, built in 24bit video with
dedicated VRAM, built in Ethernet, fast SCSI II,
16bit 44Khz stereo audio in and out, THAT woulda
been a real killer Mac. ;) And it probably would've

You just described the Q9x0 minus the 44KHz audio and one NuBus slot.

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 02:37 -0400 on 10/04/02, rlf9 wrote:

How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later, then?

Not quite as bad.  :)

It didn't really get *useful* until about 8.5-ish, but 8.1 is where I quit
using RAM Doubler and switched to Apple's VM for most stuff.

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Re: Ripping Video

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 23:47 -0700 on 09/04/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

The DayStar control panel (at least for the Turbo 601)
has the feature to disable the RAM test. That works
back to system 7.5, which is the minimum System for

Yeah, but does it work without a card installed?  ISTR the Daystar control
panels don't work so well without an accelerator in place.

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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 08:49 +0200 on 10/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

Considering the fact that one can savely disable the fan in a LC as long
as one doesn't use the hard disk (often), I wondered about the Mac II,
which also has a 16 Mhz 68020 but in a much larger box.

Well, it also has a monster PSU, which isn't going to help your cause much.
Ask Adam Guha about what happens when the vent on a Mac II gets blocked by
leaving it on the carpet :)

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 10:52 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

I am trying to provide a solution I can easily hook another OS X machine
or a PC too should I have to. I am trying to create a flexible network
infrastructure not just a bit of wet string to talk to a few Macs. I
apologise again for swearing at you guys but it stands that I need and
want DNS on the internal network, why are you trying to tell me I don't?

I posted that before you know, did you read it? The fact is I use

Yes.  You didn't say anything like the following before.

AppleTalk for file sharing but also use other *internal* TCP/IP
services, such as my Intranet server on MY LCIII. If you can make iCab
work via AppleTalk without TCP/IP so I can read the saved web-pages in
my LCIII I'd be glad to try it. Until then I keep my IP addresses. Also

You didn't say you needed to browse local WWW pages before.  You just said
I need this without specifying why.

Having machines floating around on a network with no IP addresses is bad
mojo.

Hardly.  Especially if they're LocalTalk-only.

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 12:49 PM, the pickle wrote:

 Yes.  You didn't say anything like the following before.

 AppleTalk for file sharing but also use other *internal* TCP/IP
 services, such as my Intranet server on MY LCIII. If you can make iCab
 work via AppleTalk without TCP/IP so I can read the saved web-pages in
 my LCIII I'd be glad to try it. Until then I keep my IP addresses. Also

 You didn't say you needed to browse local WWW pages before.  You just 
 said
 I need this without specifying why.

I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere.

 Having machines floating around on a network with no IP addresses is 
 bad
 mojo.

 Hardly.  Especially if they're LocalTalk-only.

Well this is ethernet. So I give them IP addresses. Why does it matter 
why I need IPs anyway. The fact is I want, need and have them. I am also 
trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of 
this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires TCP/IP 
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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere.

I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you did :-p

trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of
this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires TCP/IP
does it not?

Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't connected to
the Internet...

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Re: basic networking question

2002-04-10 Thread Scott Holder

At 06:01 AM 4/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I am curious about what networking topology Apple used for Apple Talk.  Is
this star, bus, ring, or something completely different.

Although I'm hardly a networking guru, I'd say it's more of a ring than 
anything else as far as the original Localtalk goes. Originally, there were 
little Localtalk boxes that plugged into a serial port and then you used 
either DIN-3 or Phone cables (depending on the connector) to connect the 
Macs in a ring.

With Ethertalk, it's fairly standard Ethernet star topology.

That's what I think anyway ;)

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 01:18 PM, the pickle wrote:

 At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

 I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere.

 I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you 
 did :-p

I quote (again) from a previous message:

I have an HTTP server on the LCIII and use SSH to my iBook in 
emergencies. This is why I have DNS and DHCP and indeed TCP/IP at all.

 trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of
 this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires 
 TCP/IP
 does it not?

 Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't 
 connected to
 the Internet...

But it will or should by now be, which was why I asked for your help in 
the first place - blimey - do I have to use those big play-school 
magnetic letters to spell it out on you fridge door?

I am not going to pursue this any further for the sake of the list - you 
are allowed one response and then that's the end of this and any related 
threads on my network. Thanks to those who helped, some of the stuff was 
at least useful if not to solve the original problem.

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Eagle

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 08:18 , the pickle wrote:
 At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:
 I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere.

 I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you 
 did :-p

 trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of
 this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires 
 TCP/IP
 does it not?

 Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't 
 connected to
 the Internet...


The presence or absence of IP addresses in the absence of Internet 
connectivity is indeed inconsequential.  It's as easy to leave them 
configured as it is to remove it, I suppose.

However, we were originally saying that *DNS* is not necessary when 
Internet connectivity is nonexistent.  That is indeed true: you can use 
hosts files on each machine, but it does get tedius.  You can set up any 
machine in your network capable of running MacDNS, and allow it to serve 
as your internal DNS server.  You can configure your own machine names 
in that, and let it proxy to the world when necessary (and connected).  
You don't need a separate DNS server just to talk to the world.

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Marten van de Kraats

The thread started by the list nanny began with this text:

I'm looking for a 56k modem for my LCIII or IIci. I don't have the IIci
yet but it eventually takes over as my server when I get it because 7.1
has less crap in it, which while being a bit limp as a desktop OS makes
it ideal for a server.

Personally I have a very hard time extracting from this text that we are 
talking about
a router or a intranet webserver.

BTW I've you need a modem, just visit a shop and by one. Any 56k modem 
will do.

Marten

On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 02:18 , the pickle wrote:

 At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

 I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere.

 I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you 
 did :-p

 trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of
 this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires 
 TCP/IP
 does it not?

 Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't 
 connected to
 the Internet...

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Re: Personal LWntr printing on LC475, CCII

2002-04-10 Thread mart

Bertie et. al. wrote:
I guess I have to keep a lookout for a new toner cartridge, like the
fixyourownprinter.com guy (Moe) suggested. Funny that they don't sell them.

It might help to know that a whole range of HP laser printers used the very
same cartridge. Like the HP Laserthing IIIp and 2100, which are *years*
apart.This may extend your search area to PC suppliers as well.

FWIW, the fuser tested okay with an ohm meter when it cooled down. I still
suspect the spongy black roller below the fuser assembly because is keeps
getting filled with toner dust. Someone pointed out (JEff G.?, Greg E.?)
that they might need replacing.

I doubt that. The spongy black roller is there for paper transport. The
brick-red rollers (one hard, one soft) on the fuser assembly are used to
press the freshly baked ink onto the paper. Both have wipers, that are held
against these roller with springs and screws. You might want to check them.

But then again, a new cartridge might help. I can't say.

good luck,

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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread mart

Marten wrote:
Considering the fact that one can savely disable the fan in a LC as long 
as one doesn't use the hard disk (often), I wondered about the Mac II, 
which also has a 16 Mhz 68020 but in a much larger box.
What if I limit the machine to maximum 2 nubus cards and limit the use 
of the hard disk to a minimum? Or is that gigantic power supply (psu) 
that produces all the heat in this model?

Not all. All parts that have electronics in/on them use energy and thus
produce heat. PSU's are never 100% efficient in theri energy conversion.
I'd say 75% Mac heat, 25% psu heat.

The mobo with the CPU and the RAM comes first, is my guess, followed by the
psu and the HD.  Chips on Nubus cards can also get pretty warm. I'd snoop
around in there and try to determine what gets hot and what not.

Taking out cards frees you from their heat and theoretically also form a
bit of psu heat, but that will only be marginal. 

Also, with electronics: mostly, they don't die instantly form overheating.
But the warmer they get, the shorter they live.


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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread rlf9



Vintage Macs wrote...

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: my internet problem
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--- rlf9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Vintage Macs wrote...
 
 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: my internet problem
 
 At 01:59 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:
 
 Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since
 VM before 8.1 was awful.
 
 How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later,
 then?

Still poor because of the way it works.

Yes, that's what I think, too (though many say that in 9.x RamDoubler is 
not a better substitute for VM).  Generally I avoid VM whenever possible, 
everywhere. What about you, Mark? I thought the above VM statement 
originated with you.

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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 03:12 PM, Eagle wrote:

 However, we were originally saying that *DNS* is not necessary when
 Internet connectivity is nonexistent.  That is indeed true: you can use
 hosts files on each machine, but it does get tedius.  You can set up any
 machine in your network capable of running MacDNS, and allow it to serve
 as your internal DNS server.  You can configure your own machine names
 in that, and let it proxy to the world when necessary (and connected).
 You don't need a separate DNS server just to talk to the world.

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Re: basic networking question

2002-04-10 Thread Scott Barber

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Teri Pittman wrote:

 into networking topics.  The discussion does make me a bit curious.  If
 there are more good sites on basic Apple networking, please let me know.
 Teri Pittman

Terry, check out threemacs.com http://www.atpm.com/network/
Great site with answers for you. Even a site download to have as
reference.
Its also linked from p's faq

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Re: Swedish keyboard with US system?

2002-04-10 Thread Gamba

On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 08:02 , Robert Lundqvist wrote:
 Thanks for the suggestions, and yes, I've found these old system at the
 suggested website. However, the files I receive after download are not
 possible to open. They are listed as *.hqx files on the website, but
 nothing
 happens when StuffIt is started. I get no disk images as I suppose they
 should become in the end. Have I missed anything here?

The .hqx files from archaic-apples will decode OK with Stuffit Expander 4.
That yields DART disk image files, which can be handled by Disk Copy 6.3.3
or ShrinkWrap 2.1, but not Disk Copy 4.2.

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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 17:25 +0100 on 10/04/02, mart wrote:

The mobo with the CPU and the RAM comes first, is my guess, followed by the
psu and the HD.  Chips on Nubus cards can also get pretty warm. I'd snoop
around in there and try to determine what gets hot and what not.

Speaking from (rather unfortunate) experience, I can say that a Mac II will
get extremely crashy if you don't keep the vents clear, and that's with
nothing more than an Apple Macintosh II video card installed and 8MB RAM.
Probably not the best idea to try and disconnect the fan.

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Re: Claris Works jpg files

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 13:40 -0400 on 10/04/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a question for you folks. I use Claris Works 3.0 on most of my Macs as
my Word Processor of choice. My wife is addicted to scrapbooking and I set
out to see if she could make a page via Claris Works drawing or Painting
program. Now why can't Claris Works open any of my jpg files from my kodak
picture cd?

Perhaps it doesn't have JPG support.  My first choice would probably be to
use something like JPEGView or GraphicConverter to save as a different
format, like PICT, which you should then have no problem importing.

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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread George Mogiljansky

The fan is noisy and keeping the lid on will reduce
the noise. I would try to hide the case inside an
enclosure but make it sure it's not too small (to
allow for air circulation).
Cheers
George

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 At 17:25 +0100 on 10/04/02, mart wrote:
 
 The mobo with the CPU and the RAM comes first, is
 my guess, followed by the
 psu and the HD.  Chips on Nubus cards can also get
 pretty warm. I'd snoop
 around in there and try to determine what gets hot
 and what not.
 
 Speaking from (rather unfortunate) experience, I can
 say that a Mac II will
 get extremely crashy if you don't keep the vents
 clear, and that's with
 nothing more than an Apple Macintosh II video card
 installed and 8MB RAM.
 Probably not the best idea to try and disconnect the
 fan.
 
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Re: Ripping Video

2002-04-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 23:47 -0700 on 09/04/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 
 The DayStar control panel (at least for the Turbo
 601)
 has the feature to disable the RAM test. That works
 back to system 7.5, which is the minimum System for
 
 Yeah, but does it work without a card installed? 
 ISTR the Daystar control
 panels don't work so well without an accelerator in
 place.

Would be easy enough for someone to try. :)
Drop it in the control panels folder then see if it
will run. If it will, check the box to disable the
RAM test.

Something else to test. Use the Power Central CP
for the 030 PowerCache and see if using just the
PowerMath switch does anything for integer and
floating point benchmarks. Supposedly that setting
redirects all SANE math calls from the CPU to the
FPU, using the Mac's onboard FPU if it has one and
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Re: basic networking question

2002-04-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman

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 I am curious about what networking topology Apple
 used for Apple Talk.  Is
 this star, bus, ring, or something completely
 different. 

AppleTalk is a protocol, not a cable or network
topology. The PhoneNet system using the serial
ports to daisy chain Macs is a similar topology
to the Thin or 10 Base 2 ethernet using coax cables.

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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread kapnkid



George Mogiljansky wrote:

 The fan is noisy and keeping the lid on will reduce
 the noise. I would try to hide the case inside an
 enclosure but make it sure it's not too small (to

Another possibility is to replace the noisy fan with a new fan of the same
voltage and  displacement (cubic feet/minute) (liters/second). I have
replaced fans on hard drives and it is no problem. I have found some
inexpensive fans are quite noisy and some of the more expensive ones are
almost silent; both having the same specifications. I've thought about doing
it with my old MacIIx, which sounds like a helicopter readying for lift off.
IMO leaving the case top off may cause problems, as the air is not forced
to flow over certain components and convection is the only means of moving
the air.  The movement may not be enough to keep the parts at their thermal
limits. The engineers who designed the case MAY have taken that into
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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 14:25 -0700 on 10/04/02, kapnkid wrote:

replaced fans on hard drives and it is no problem. I have found some
inexpensive fans are quite noisy and some of the more expensive ones are

Another issue is older fans start to lose their bearings after thousands of
working hours.  I've seen identical fans from identical Macs that sound
totally different just based on how much use one has compared to the other.

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Re: Personal LWntr printing on LC475, CCII

2002-04-10 Thread Bertie Teuila Hall


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mart)

 It might help to know that a whole range of HP laser printers used the very
 same cartridge. Like the HP Laserthing IIIp and 2100, which are *years*
 apart.This may extend your search area to PC suppliers as well.


This is great to know, mart! Thanks.

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Ersatz icons

2002-04-10 Thread Mikael Jolkkonen

Hello.

Like many others on this list, I do what I can to save old software from
extinction. For this and other reasons I frequently make software
archives on CD, and of course I want them to be well organised and
aesthetically pleasing. There is, for instance, a set of standard icons
that I use for folders containing specific categories of software.
Since I had a period of frantic icon collecting in the mid-90's, I have
quite a lot of old icons to choose from. They are, of course, in the
traditional icl / ics / ICN format.

The latest CD:s look very nice on the OS 8.6 system I use for mastering
and burning them, but when browsed on a vintage system, be it using a
local CD drive or over the network, then the CD:s are suddenly full of
generic icons.

I have now come to realise that when I cut and paste icons in Finder
under OS 8.6, then it copies the classic icon resources but pastes
them as a single new-fangled icns resource which isn't understood by
vintage systems. This is probably just fine if the CD is intended for
newer systems, but it is totally unacceptable when one is making CD:s,
diskettes or whatever to use on vintage machines.

Does anyone know a good way of preventing the modern Finder from
converting icons during copy and paste? I'd really like a control panel
that lets me tell the Finder how it should handle the icons. 

If not, do you have any suggestions for an application that elegantly
(more elegantly than ResEdit) copies custom icons from one file, folder
or volume to another _without_ converting them_? I can create new,
empty folders with classic custom icons using the excellent program
Icon Collector 1.1.1, but surely there must be other utilities? Or am I
the only one who thinks that this is a problem?

/Mikael

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Re: Upgrade cards

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

 Something else to test. Use the Power Central CP
 for the 030 PowerCache and see if using just the
 PowerMath switch does anything for integer and
 floating point benchmarks. Supposedly that setting
 redirects all SANE math calls from the CPU to the
 FPU, using the Mac's onboard FPU if it has one and
 the PowerCache card doesn't.

Errrm I have a PowerCache card in my SE/30 but it has an FPU on it. Does 
this count? I have the CP for it, does it enable the upgrade cache like 
PCI PPC upgrades because it seems to be a smidge faster with the CP 
installed, might just be me.

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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 10:47 PM, the pickle wrote:

 Another issue is older fans start to lose their bearings after 
 thousands of
 working hours.  I've seen identical fans from identical Macs that sound
 totally different just based on how much use one has compared to the 
 other.

I concur. The one in my LC is shot, it rattles when running which is 
really annoying in a quiet room. It doesn't make much odds to me though 
as I barely use it and it is a nightmare to replace the fan in those 
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So, the modem....

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson

I have found a 56k USR FaxModem at a price I consider to be approaching 
reasonable that is supported in the Mac. It uses a standard CCL for dial 
up that, from what I can tell, was last modified in 1996. Big question 
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Re: my internet problem

2002-04-10 Thread Randy Beaudreault

So got any tips for configuring NAMED?

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Re: So, the modem....

2002-04-10 Thread Marten van de Kraats


On donderdag, april 11, 2002, at 12:56 , Mark Benson wrote:

 I have found a 56k USR FaxModem at a price I consider to be approaching
 reasonable that is supported in the Mac. It uses a standard CCL for dial
 up that, from what I can tell, was last modified in 1996. Big question
 is will it work wit OT/PPP in Sys 7.1?


Of course it will. Any modem will do. Modems are pretty generic.

Modems that are supposed to be not supported in the Mac can be made so 
by generating a modem script. There is a program on Apple's ftp-site for 
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Re: So, the modem....

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 12:31 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

 Of course it will. Any modem will do. Modems are pretty generic.

 Modems that are supposed to be not supported in the Mac can be made so
 by generating a modem script. There is a program on Apple's ftp-site for
 that.

I actually tried that on my 7500 a while back (when I first stepped into 
the world of Macs) with an ELSA MicroLink 56k Serial modem and never got 
it to work. I am pretty sure this on e will though. CCLs work on any 
version of OT/PPP or ARA don't they? I'm just wanting to make really 
sure because It's £65 inc pp and I don't want to have to make up an 
excuse to send it back to MacWarehouse when it doesn't work.

Getting it to work with IPNR will not be too hard I hope crosses all 
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Re: Ersatz icons

2002-04-10 Thread Scott Barber

(my reply follows quote)

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Mikael Jolkkonen wrote:
 
 Does anyone know a good way of preventing the modern Finder from
 converting icons during copy and paste? I'd really like a control panel
 that lets me tell the Finder how it should handle the icons. 
 
 If not, do you have any suggestions for an application that elegantly
 (more elegantly than ResEdit) copies custom icons from one file, folder
 or volume to another _without_ converting them_? I can create new,
 empty folders with classic custom icons using the excellent program
 Icon Collector 1.1.1, but surely there must be other utilities? Or am I
 the only one who thinks that this is a problem?

No, not the only one... but I don't now the answer- but I'm trying out
Graphic Converter 4.1 (68k) (current 68k shareware :) !) and it seems to
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Re: So, the modem....

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 00:38 +0100 on 11/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 12:31 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

 Of course it will. Any modem will do. Modems are pretty generic.

 Modems that are supposed to be not supported in the Mac can be made so
 by generating a modem script. There is a program on Apple's ftp-site for
 that.

I actually tried that on my 7500 a while back (when I first stepped into
the world of Macs) with an ELSA MicroLink 56k Serial modem and never got

A few PC-specific modems simply cannot be made to work on Macs.  USR is a
good manufacturer, however, and should work fine.  One note: £65 is a bit
pricey for a 56K serial modem.

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CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread jsoderlund

I was wondering if there was any way to use a PC CD Rom on a IIci?
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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread Marten van de Kraats

Yeah... Any system above 7.5.3 should see it alright.

Marten

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 I was wondering if there was any way to use a PC CD Rom on a IIci?
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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread jsoderlund

What if it is IDE ?



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Re: Claris Works jpg files

2002-04-10 Thread rlf9

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Subject: Claris Works jpg files

I have a question for you folks. I use Claris Works 3.0 on most of my Macs 
as 
my Word Processor of choice. My wife is addicted to scrapbooking and I set 
out to see if she could make a page via Claris Works drawing or Painting 
program. Now why can't Claris Works open any of my jpg files from my kodak 
picture cd?

How have you folks gotten around this?

In the Claris Translators folder in the Claris folder in your System 
folder there should be a JPEG translator. If it's missing, reinstall CW. 
If it's there, check you prefs settings. Other than that, there are 
zillions of programs which read JPEGs, starting with the always-free 
JPEGView 3.3.1.

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Re: So, the modem....

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 01:04 AM, the pickle wrote:

 A few PC-specific modems simply cannot be made to work on Macs.  USR 
 is a
 good manufacturer, however, and should work fine.  One note: £65 is a 
 bit
 pricey for a 56K serial modem.

Find me a cheaper on in the UK that is guaranteed to work on a Mac from 
a reputable reseller and I'll buy it. It may be expensive to you guys 
oer there but we have to pay a little thing called VAT, at 17.5%, on 
computer stuff here. That was including shipping, at £4 (24hr) as well. 
I am planning to buy a bit stuff at once (mac to VGA adapter and a new 
Mac DB-25 to Din-8 Modem cable as it's a PC modem package) which will 
take the lot up to around £76 in total. Looks like the IIci might go on 
the back burner :(.

Anyone have a USR 56k Serial Faxmodem? I'd like any reports if 
possible :).

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 01:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What if it is IDE ?

If it is an IDE CD-ROM drive you can buy a SCSI adapter or housing from 
ACARD (I don't know who your local supplier would be) which will allow 
you to use and IDE CD-ROM on hard disk on a Mac. They are not cheap 
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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread Marten van de Kraats

I thought you meant the discs, now you are talking about the actual 
device IDE should be possible using a converter. Those scsi-to-ide 
converters are pretty common.  Modern external scsi device often have 
ide stuff on the inside.

On donderdag, april 11, 2002, at 02:20 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What if it is IDE ?

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread jsoderlund

Thanks!
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 On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 01:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What if it is IDE ?
 
 If it is an IDE CD-ROM drive you can buy a SCSI adapter or housing from 
 ACARD (I don't know who your local supplier would be) which will allow 
 you to use and IDE CD-ROM on hard disk on a Mac. They are not cheap 
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Re: Mac II fan

2002-04-10 Thread Sam Macomber


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 04:46 AM, the pickle wrote:

 At 08:49 +0200 on 10/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

 Considering the fact that one can savely disable the fan in a LC as 
 long
 as one doesn't use the hard disk (often), I wondered about the Mac II,
 which also has a 16 Mhz 68020 but in a much larger box.

 Well, it also has a monster PSU, which isn't going to help your cause 
 much.
 Ask Adam Guha about what happens when the vent on a Mac II gets blocked 
 by
 leaving it on the carpet :)

I did that to my mac II back when I was using it as a web server...  
kinda got a little sluggish, coulden't figure it out for weeks...   Till 
I finally realized I was blocking the vents oopsy.  worked great after I 
made a lil spacer for it to allow air flow. heh


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Re: So, the modem....

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 01:32 +0100 on 11/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

oer there but we have to pay a little thing called VAT, at 17.5%, on
computer stuff here. That was including shipping, at £4 (24hr) as well.

Ah, right, forgot you guys have that nasty VAT.  With that figured in, it's
not such a bad price after all.

Anyone have a USR 56k Serial Faxmodem? I'd like any reports if
possible :).

Have used several other USR modems (not a 56K, though) without incident.

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 20:20 -0400 on 10/04/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What if it is IDE ?

You could get an $89 card to make it into SCSI, or you could buy a SCSI
CD-ROM for $10 on eBay...

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 02:40 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

converters are pretty common.  Modern external scsi device often have
ide stuff on the inside.

Marten, are you OK?  You've been making a lot of posts that haven't made
any sense or had any grounding in reality lately...

Modern external SCSI devices are nearly *universally* SCSI-based.

Modern *FireWire* devices are universally IDE.  But that's WAY OT for this
list.

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Re: So, the modem....

2002-04-10 Thread Mark Benson


On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 01:42 AM, the pickle wrote:

 At 01:32 +0100 on 11/04/02, Mark Benson wrote:

 oer there but we have to pay a little thing called VAT, at 17.5%, on
 computer stuff here. That was including shipping, at £4 (24hr) as 
 well.

 Ah, right, forgot you guys have that nasty VAT.  With that figured in, 
 it's
 not such a bad price after all.

It's about the cheapest I can find it. VAT is nasty, you are quite 
right :(.

 Anyone have a USR 56k Serial Faxmodem? I'd like any reports if
 possible :).

 Have used several other USR modems (not a 56K, though) without incident.

Damn. That £65 down the pan ;).

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread Marten van de Kraats


On donderdag, april 11, 2002, at 02:47 , the pickle wrote:

 At 02:40 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

 converters are pretty common.  Modern external scsi device often have
 ide stuff on the inside.

 Marten, are you OK?  You've been making a lot of posts that haven't made
 any sense or had any grounding in reality lately...

 Modern external SCSI devices are nearly *universally* SCSI-based.

My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed 
he was right.

I  think I am OK.

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread the pickle

At 02:58 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed
he was right.

I  think I am OK.

Mebbe it's your dealer who's been hitting the pipe again ... tell him to
stay away from that part of Amsterdam ;)

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread Darren



the pickle wrote:

My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed
he was right.

Mebbe it's your dealer who's been hitting the pipe again ... tell him to
stay away from that part of Amsterdam ;)

I'd suggest you'd require another substance before you'd believe it. :)

To keep on topic-

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Re: CD Rom ????

2002-04-10 Thread Scott Holder

At 09:02 PM 4/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:
At 02:58 +0200 on 11/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

 My dealer told me that story about the external scsi devices. I supposed
 he was right.
 
 I  think I am OK.

Mebbe it's your dealer who's been hitting the pipe again ... tell him to
stay away from that part of Amsterdam ;)

the pickle

 From what I've read the ATAPI addition to the IDE bus is very similar to 
SCSI. It's why the SCSI emulation under Linux works as well as the ease 
with which IDE devices can be used as SCSI devices on the various PC Mac 
emulators.

I haven't read anything on what that means on the hardware side of things.

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Re: Ripping Video

2002-04-10 Thread Cameron Kaiser

  Yeah, but does it work without a card installed? 
  ISTR the Daystar control
  panels don't work so well without an accelerator in
  place.
 
 Would be easy enough for someone to try. :)
 Drop it in the control panels folder then see if it
 will run. If it will, check the box to disable the
 RAM test.

Bleah, is this only in the Turbo 601 CP?

 Something else to test. Use the Power Central CP
 for the 030 PowerCache and see if using just the
 PowerMath switch does anything for integer and
 floating point benchmarks. Supposedly that setting
 redirects all SANE math calls from the CPU to the
 FPU, using the Mac's onboard FPU if it has one and
 the PowerCache card doesn't.

I've tried this before and ISTM that it does make a difference (though
not as much as cache!) in Snooper benchmarks.

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Re: basic networking question

2002-04-10 Thread E McCann

At 06:01 AM 4/10/02 -0700, you wrote:
I am curious about what networking topology Apple used for Apple Talk.  Is
this star, bus, ring, or something completely different.

Eh? Asking about physical or logical topology? Physically, it can be bus 
(using Localtalk or Phonenet, or 10base5/2) or star (using 10baseT.)

Logically... well, that I don't recall

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Re: mac II fan-sidebar

2002-04-10 Thread flawed jai

since this came up, I'll jump right in with my question, which is
related:

last night I took my IIsi apart to some extent, in order to replace the
PRAM battery.
 while i was in there, i took a good hard look around.
yug.
I don't know how long ago the last owner had this thing running, but
were oily black dust bunnies clogging the floppy drive , both inside
where the disc  is suposed to sit, and on top of the casing. same story
in the air vents. same story in the cooling fan grilles.

so i set to work with my trusty antistatic wipes, grounded myself,
drained off the static by clasping the power suppy for a minute, and
then unsnapped the drive casing, wrapped a wipe around a flat butter
knife blade, and gently slipped the wipe aroudn in the drive slot,
bringing out junk until it was clean inside. 

then got the metal case off, then the plastic sleeve around it, and
still grounded, wiped the gunk  up off the works with a fresh towelette.
reassembled the skin, the case, the ribbon cable,  clicked it back down
on the frame.

couldn't slip anything thru the vents to clear out the junk caught in
them, so i made a judgement call and decided that my standard technique
for modifying plastics was in order: i heated up a long thin bread knife
and cut down thru the air vents  like a hot knife thru butter, widening
them so i could see straight thru, and then pared away the bubbling with
a sharp penknife to restore the plane of the lid.
did the same on the side where the side vents are.

I think I left enough integrity of the top to not break if i put a 12
monitor on top of it.

now for the fan:
it struck me that i have never heard this fan rev up when I turn this
on.. I must need a new one.
studied the mounting. it seems to look like the housing is a snap-in
affair that plugs straight down onto the logic board for its power, when
it reaches flush with the bottom.  so I jiggled and  leaned and squeezed
and pressed--but couldn't get it to unsnap and come up and out.

by the appearance, I think the black fan fin wheel must be held inside
the housing by two 5 pointed screws on opposite corners. apparently you
unsnap the housing, clear the anchor tabs, and lift out the whole thing,
and then unscrew the wheel at those two screws and remove it to replace
it with a new one.

WHAT'S THE SECRET TO GETTING THAT HOUSING CAGE OUT OF ITS SPOT AT THE
BACK OF THE IIsi? how is it supposed to work?

and am I right about the removal steps and concept?

what kind of a screwdriver takes out those 5 pointed screws?

and when I go to the computer show on april 27th, what do i tell them
I'm looking for? do i just take the whole little box to the show with me
and show it to them?

FWIW, I now know the inside of my IIsi, and now understand why the nubus
cards have to be right angled in order to reach the expansion slot on
the back.

what is the white long strip that runs parallel to the nubus mount?  (my
inside case top says i have a revision B IIsi, assembled in Ireland,
BTW)

the breadboard says SIMM RAM printed beside it, but that ain't no 30 pin
slot. it is as long as the nubus mount or longer.

what is it for?

i closed winkii twosie back up and turned her on, and everything's
lovely. she has her little yellow duckies on a turquiose sea, i found
that spiro gyra screen saver in after dark and set it, and whoever it
was who told me to watch the difference after refreshing the PRAM
batteries and turning on 32 bit addressing was so right...
before, with a dead PRAM, her system software was taking up , like, 90%
of her memory after bootup.

now, the reverse is true: it takes up maybe 1700k of her space, and
leaves me  90% of the space open for more stuff.  huzzah!  and the new
battery ought to last me, what--5 years?? or more??


so I gotta understand about this fan, guys. school me.

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