Re: IIci and SI
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 05:04:41AM -0800, Ryan Sutter wrote: I had a terrible experience with him myself where he lost a MO I sent and it took me over two months to get some RAM I purchased for my IIci. I would definitely NOT recommend that anybody purchase from Sunguk Chung. My two cents... Having said that, I'd say enough people had a bad deal with Sunguk that you should consider it risky. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] The really sad part of it is, I'm trying to get some good 16MB ramsticks to put into the Quadra 700 I modified to run at 33Mhz. The fours in it now give only 20MB. Browsing online takes a tremendous amount of it. In fact, with the About This Computer window open while I browse, the System will swell to 10MB of it leaving only 2MB reserve. (Netscape 4.08 needs 8MB to be crash-resistant.) And this being the third time I've tried to buy RAM from Sunguk, being completely ignored again, I'll have to go elsewhere to get it and suffer the nonsense until I have enough RAM to do it right. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
It will do both. It will show a modest 5-10% increase in CPU and memory speeds, but your video will be noticeably slower. The on board video in a IIci runs at 25MHz, as you mentioned, the NuBUS cards can only pipe data through a 10MHz bus. Still, a good accelerated NuBUS video card is not a bad investment. -Robyn On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Melita wrote: Thanks for all your responces. I have a nubus video card coming in the mail. I understand that the nubus ran at 10Mhz will this hinder performance or increase it on my IIci. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 07:04:18PM -0500, the pickle wrote: At 14:12 -0500 on 05/12/02, Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: My IIci has 32-bit 16MB 60ns SIMMs in it. I wouldn't use anything slower than 80ns myself. I'm about 99% certain 80ns is the spec'd minimum. That's what I thought too. I assume that a Mac of that vintage cannot automatically detect slower RAM. 70ns or faster tends to work better with accelerators according to anecdotal reports I've seen. I second that. It's just easier to get the faster RAM and not wonder which crashes were RAM speed related. There is a Sun reseller or two on eBay who dumps RAM frequently, a lot of which will work in Apple systems. If you're referring to Sunguk, he's a jerk and a PITA to deal with. There are a lot more than just him. I've actually bought from him twice, and the deal was fine. He is a jerk though. Never answers email or anything. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
--- Charles Shannon Hendrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're referring to Sunguk, he's a jerk and a PITA to deal with. There are a lot more than just him. I've actually bought from him twice, and the deal was fine. He is a jerk though. Never answers email or anything. I bought hard drives from him twice. Both times one drive was damaged, which would've been easily visible had he unwrapped them before shipping. Both times I e-mailed asking to exchange the drive and he agreed to do so, but just sent my money back. The second time he said he didn't want to deal with me anymore! He shipped defective guarranteed drives then didn't follow through on exchanges, and didn't want to deal with _me_ anymore? *pfft!* At least I got my money back. = Truth is, after all, a stronger edifice than a lie. An empire may be built on lies, but it only takes a single truth to crumble it. Jumba the Wise Lizard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard that the only customer for the IIci with the memory parity controller was the US Department Of Defense. Hmmm, I wonder if anyone ever modfied a IIci to meet the TEMPEST specifications? I've seen some compacts done up like that on a website. In the early 1990s, the UK Ministry of Defence used IIcis followed by Quadra 700s for image analysis. These did not use special cases and the Macs and monitors were operated in special TEMPEST enclosures, according to my then work colleagues. I never saw them for myself because I failed the security clearance, presumably for being a Guardian reader... Phil -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
I had a terrible experience with him myself where he lost a MO I sent and it took me over two months to get some RAM I purchased for my IIci. I would definitely NOT recommend that anybody purchase from Sunguk Chung. My two cents... Ryan --- Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Charles Shannon Hendrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're referring to Sunguk, he's a jerk and a PITA to deal with. There are a lot more than just him. I've actually bought from him twice, and the deal was fine. He is a jerk though. Never answers email or anything. I bought hard drives from him twice. Both times one drive was damaged, which would've been easily visible had he unwrapped them before shipping. Both times I e-mailed asking to exchange the drive and he agreed to do so, but just sent my money back. The second time he said he didn't want to deal with me anymore! He shipped defective guarranteed drives then didn't follow through on exchanges, and didn't want to deal with _me_ anymore? *pfft!* At least I got my money back. = Truth is, after all, a stronger edifice than a lie. An empire may be built on lies, but it only takes a single truth to crumble it. Jumba the Wise Lizard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com _ What? Still using Hotmail? Upgrade! Get a free, permanent, email address at http://freemail.nucleargopher.com! _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
At 00:32 -0600 on 06/12/02, Robyn Lyons wrote: It will do both. It will show a modest 5-10% increase in CPU and memory speeds, but your video will be noticeably slower. The on board video in As I said... This depends a LOT more on the card than on the NuBus itself. Some cards are so much faster than BIV on the IIci that they'll feel like you stuck a PPC in the machine; some are about the same speed as BIV so you'll just get the benefit of faster CPU and RAM access; some are slower and will definitely feel it. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
--- Christopher Melita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have an apple IIci and IIsi Are there any up grade kits availible for them? I am getting ready to expand the ram to the full 128 in the IIci any tips on what types of ram I should use? You'll need eight 16meg, 30 pin SIMMs, non-parity. DOes the ram in an apple differ from the ram used in a pc? Only in the IIfx, in the 68k ones. (Before the Power Macs.) Oh I have not really glanced at the hd yet but does it use a SCSI or ide? SCSI 2 is what they use. = Truth is, after all, a stronger edifice than a lie. An empire may be built on lies, but it only takes a single truth to crumble it. Jumba the Wise Lizard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
--- Daniel Kendell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I too have a IIci that i wanted to upgrade. The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the You can use faster SIMMs, no problem. = Truth is, after all, a stronger edifice than a lie. An empire may be built on lies, but it only takes a single truth to crumble it. Jumba the Wise Lizard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
on 12/5/02 12:19 AM, Christopher Melita at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have an apple IIci and IIsi Are there any up grade kits availible for them? I am getting ready to expand the ram to the full 128 in the IIci any tips on what types of ram I should use? Mike at this addy usually has a stock of 30 pin cheaper than anybody. He's a good guy to do bidness with too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
At 7:55 AM + 12/5/2002, Daniel Kendell wrote: Hi, I too have a IIci that i wanted to upgrade. The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the best of my knowledge you can't buy these new anymore, only second hand. - They appear on ebay every now and then. The HDD is SCSI. That was the only upgrade i could preform. 250mb now. For ram, the only thing i could suggest for getting ram that you know is good and hasn't been handled is to find someone selling a whole bust computer for spares then you could transfer the ram sticks across. To find out what other pre-powermac computers use that kind of ram then go to my website at: http://megamacs.tripod.com (You will only get two popups) I will have to check why the IIci link is missing. They are still available new, try: http://www.memoryx.net/maciimacse.html 4Mb for $3.40 -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:25:40AM -0800, Gregg Eshelman wrote: them? I am getting ready to expand the ram to the full 128 in the IIci any tips on what types of ram I should use? You'll need eight 16meg, 30 pin SIMMs, non-parity. ...except in those IIci which have the parity chip. I've actually never seen one that did, but evidently they are out there. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 07:55:34AM +, Daniel Kendell wrote: Hi, I too have a IIci that i wanted to upgrade. The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the best of my knowledge you can't buy these new anymore, only second hand. - They appear on ebay every now and then. Um, not quite. I don't believe a IIci can use 120ns RAM. I had trouble with mine with 100ns RAM I had in storage. My IIci has 32-bit 16MB 60ns SIMMs in it. I wouldn't use anything slower than 80ns myself. The HDD is SCSI. That was the only upgrade i could preform. 250mb now. There are a variety of other upgrades you can use. I picked out a 50MHz Daystar Powercache for mine, and you can also get 68040 upgrades, and PowerPC upgrades for a IIci. For ram, the only thing i could suggest for getting ram that you know is good and hasn't been handled is to find someone selling a whole bust computer for spares then you could transfer the ram sticks across. If you are willing to pay, you can get new RAM. It's very, very expensive. They have to keep making small quantities to support long-running systems. There is a Sun reseller or two on eBay who dumps RAM frequently, a lot of which will work in Apple systems. Make sure you check our IIci to see if it needs parity RAM. You can find out how to tell at various web sites. To find out what other pre-powermac computers use that kind of ram then go to my website at: http://megamacs.tripod.com (You will only get two popups) I will have to check why the IIci link is missing. Also, take a look at www.lowendmac.com and the links listed there for more information. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 07:55:34AM +, Daniel Kendell wrote: Hi, I too have a IIci that i wanted to upgrade. The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the best of my knowledge you can't buy these new anymore, only second hand. - They appear on ebay every now and then. I don't believe a IIci can use 120ns RAM. I had trouble with mine with 100ns RAM I had in storage. My IIci has 32-bit 16MB 60ns SIMMs in it. I wouldn't use anything slower than 80ns myself. Maybe it's just my IIci, but then they are both like that. The HDD is SCSI. That was the only upgrade i could preform. 250mb now. There are a variety of other upgrades you can use. I picked out a 50MHz Daystar Powercache for mine, and you can also get 68040 upgrades, and PowerPC upgrades for a IIci. For ram, the only thing i could suggest for getting ram that you know is good and hasn't been handled is to find someone selling a whole bust computer for spares then you could transfer the ram sticks across. If you are willing to pay, you can get new RAM. It's very, very expensive. They have to keep making small quantities to support long-running systems. There is a Sun reseller or two on eBay who dumps RAM frequently, a lot of which will work in Apple systems. Make sure you check our IIci to see if it needs parity RAM. You can find out how to tell at various web sites. To find out what other pre-powermac computers use that kind of ram then go to my website at: http://megamacs.tripod.com (You will only get two popups) I will have to check why the IIci link is missing. Also, take a look at www.lowendmac.com and the links listed there for more information. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
At 14:12 -0500 on 05/12/02, Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: My IIci has 32-bit 16MB 60ns SIMMs in it. I wouldn't use anything slower than 80ns myself. I'm about 99% certain 80ns is the spec'd minimum. 70ns or faster tends to work better with accelerators according to anecdotal reports I've seen. There is a Sun reseller or two on eBay who dumps RAM frequently, a lot of which will work in Apple systems. If you're referring to Sunguk, he's a jerk and a PITA to deal with. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the You've got the IIcx confused with the IIci. The IIcx would accept 120ns, as it is a slower machine. The IIci requires 80ns or faster IIRC. -- Alan O'Neil My Dual-Monitor Mac cost over $8,000 new! HAH! -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
At 16:12 -0800 on 05/12/02, Alan O'Neil wrote: The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the You've got the IIcx confused with the IIci. The IIcx would accept 120ns, I'm pretty sure it won't, actually. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
--- Charles Shannon Hendrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:25:40AM -0800, Gregg Eshelman wrote: them? I am getting ready to expand the ram to the full 128 in the IIci any tips on what types of ram I should use? You'll need eight 16meg, 30 pin SIMMs, non-parity. ...except in those IIci which have the parity chip. I've actually never seen one that did, but evidently they are out there. I've heard that the only customer for the IIci with the memory parity controller was the US Department Of Defense. Hmmm, I wonder if anyone ever modfied a IIci to meet the TEMPEST specifications? I've seen some compacts done up like that on a website. = Truth is, after all, a stronger edifice than a lie. An empire may be built on lies, but it only takes a single truth to crumble it. Jumba the Wise Lizard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
I can't speak for the IIcx, but I know the IIci required 80ns or faster. I think the majority of the 30pin SIMMs out there are 80ns though. Just seems wierd to think that 80ns was considered insanely fast only about 10yrs ago. Then again my Performa 400 wasn't too bad then either :) -Robyn On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 06:14 PM, the pickle wrote: You've got the IIcx confused with the IIci. The IIcx would accept 120ns, I'm pretty sure it won't, actually. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
--- Robyn Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't speak for the IIcx, but I know the IIci required 80ns or faster. I think the majority of the 30pin SIMMs out there are 80ns though. Just seems wierd to think that 80ns was considered insanely fast only about 10yrs ago. Then again my Performa 400 wasn't too bad then either :) I was always wanting 60ns SIMMs for my old 286 PC but had to settle for the 70ns ones I could actually afford. :P Back in them days, a 10ns difference in RAM speed could actually be seen in how fast overall the computer operated. ;) (Especially during the memory test count-up.) = Truth is, after all, a stronger edifice than a lie. An empire may be built on lies, but it only takes a single truth to crumble it. Jumba the Wise Lizard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
Thanks for all your responces. I have a nubus video card coming in the mail. I understand that the nubus ran at 10Mhz will this hinder performance or increase it on my IIci. Christopher Melita Micro Core Computers Built with pride, built with care. 504 B E. Broadway Gainesville, Tx 76240 940-372-0225 940-736-7274 - Original Message - From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: Re: IIci and SI --- Charles Shannon Hendrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:25:40AM -0800, Gregg Eshelman wrote: them? I am getting ready to expand the ram to the full 128 in the IIci any tips on what types of ram I should use? You'll need eight 16meg, 30 pin SIMMs, non-parity. ...except in those IIci which have the parity chip. I've actually never seen one that did, but evidently they are out there. I've heard that the only customer for the IIci with the memory parity controller was the US Department Of Defense. Hmmm, I wonder if anyone ever modfied a IIci to meet the TEMPEST specifications? I've seen some compacts done up like that on a website. = Truth is, after all, a stronger edifice than a lie. An empire may be built on lies, but it only takes a single truth to crumble it. Jumba the Wise Lizard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:25:40AM -0800, Gregg Eshelman wrote: them? I am getting ready to expand the ram to the full 128 in the IIci any tips on what types of ram I should use? You'll need eight 16meg, 30 pin SIMMs, non-parity. ...except in those IIci which have the parity chip. I've actually never seen one that did, but evidently they are out there. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 07:55:34AM +, Daniel Kendell wrote: Hi, I too have a IIci that i wanted to upgrade. The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the best of my knowledge you can't buy these new anymore, only second hand. - They appear on ebay every now and then. Um, not quite. I don't believe a IIci can use 120ns RAM. I had trouble with mine with 100ns RAM I had in storage. My IIci has 32-bit 16MB 60ns SIMMs in it. I wouldn't use anything slower than 80ns myself. The HDD is SCSI. That was the only upgrade i could preform. 250mb now. There are a variety of other upgrades you can use. I picked out a 50MHz Daystar Powercache for mine, and you can also get 68040 upgrades, and PowerPC upgrades for a IIci. For ram, the only thing i could suggest for getting ram that you know is good and hasn't been handled is to find someone selling a whole bust computer for spares then you could transfer the ram sticks across. If you are willing to pay, you can get new RAM. It's very, very expensive. They have to keep making small quantities to support long-running systems. There is a Sun reseller or two on eBay who dumps RAM frequently, a lot of which will work in Apple systems. Make sure you check our IIci to see if it needs parity RAM. You can find out how to tell at various web sites. To find out what other pre-powermac computers use that kind of ram then go to my website at: http://megamacs.tripod.com (You will only get two popups) I will have to check why the IIci link is missing. Also, take a look at www.lowendmac.com and the links listed there for more information. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIci and SI
Hi, I too have a IIci that i wanted to upgrade. The IIci only takes old 120 ns 30-pin SIMMs. To the best of my knowledge you can't buy these new anymore, only second hand. - They appear on ebay every now and then. The HDD is SCSI. That was the only upgrade i could preform. 250mb now. For ram, the only thing i could suggest for getting ram that you know is good and hasn't been handled is to find someone selling a whole bust computer for spares then you could transfer the ram sticks across. To find out what other pre-powermac computers use that kind of ram then go to my website at: http://megamacs.tripod.com (You will only get two popups) I will have to check why the IIci link is missing. Dan _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
