Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Dearest Dave, Piss off. Sincerely, Terry This discussion is off topic. Remember we are talking about the Macintosh here, OK? Get a clue losers! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
That doesn't explain why a half dozen Mac hackers never came up with a trivial software solution. If it were doable, it would have been They don't work for Apple? Computer hobbyist...geeks...you know the kids that were hacking all kinds of stuff back then. They would have solved this if it could have been done in software. It would have been to their advantage and rep. You'd think someone could write a browser for System 6, too Wouldn't call that trivial. :-) Give a competent programmer with proper equipment a ROM dump and financial incentive and if this problem is solvable, we'll have it fixed Thought we were talking trivial software solution here not a small project. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 21:23 -0500 on 02/04/03, Robert Gray wrote: Give a competent programmer with proper equipment a ROM dump and financial incentive and if this problem is solvable, we'll have it fixed Thought we were talking trivial software solution here not a small project. We are. You don't expect someone to be able to patch the ROM without knowing what to patch, do you? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 08:23 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: Buy me a Holset HX35 with the 9 cm^2 exhaust housing, and get me the unobtainium data sheet for the OKI 6260 used circa 1990, and we'll talk. You mean like one of these? http://msvorinich.itgo.com/Jan0703.html eBay says rebuilt HX-35s are about $200 or thereabouts. I'm officially taking up a collection. Heck, $10 from 20 people and we've got it, which leaves Jeff to dig up data sheets ;) BTW, what are you bolting this monster onto? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Hi, Could somebody please explain what this thread is about, and how it relates to Vintage Macs? Thanks! Rob At 08:23 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: Buy me a Holset HX35 with the 9 cm^2 exhaust housing, and get me the unobtainium data sheet for the OKI 6260 used circa 1990, and we'll talk. You mean like one of these? http://msvorinich.itgo.com/Jan0703.html eBay says rebuilt HX-35s are about $200 or thereabouts. I'm officially taking up a collection. Heck, $10 from 20 people and we've got it, which leaves Jeff to dig up data sheets ;) BTW, what are you bolting this monster onto? -- the pickle -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Hey Pickle, I can't remember what model of the compact mac the HX-35 is. Clue me in will you? Or get a clue yourself, maybe the HX-35 is not a compact mac?! H. --- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:23 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: Buy me a Holset HX35 with the 9 cm^2 exhaust housing, and get me the unobtainium data sheet for the OKI 6260 used circa 1990, and we'll talk. You mean like one of these? http://msvorinich.itgo.com/Jan0703.html eBay says rebuilt HX-35s are about $200 or thereabouts. I'm officially taking up a collection. Heck, $10 from 20 people and we've got it, which leaves Jeff to dig up data sheets ;) BTW, what are you bolting this monster onto? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com = Happiness often sneaks through a door you didn't know you left open. - John Barrymore __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
I agree. Guys, get it off the list. I'm tired of wading through all your crap. --- Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Could somebody please explain what this thread is about, and how it relates to Vintage Macs? Thanks! Rob At 08:23 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: Buy me a Holset HX35 with the 9 cm^2 exhaust housing, and get me the unobtainium data sheet for the OKI 6260 used circa 1990, and we'll talk. You mean like one of these? http://msvorinich.itgo.com/Jan0703.html eBay says rebuilt HX-35s are about $200 or thereabouts. I'm officially taking up a collection. Heck, $10 from 20 people and we've got it, which leaves Jeff to dig up data sheets ;) BTW, what are you bolting this monster onto? -- the pickle -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com = Happiness often sneaks through a door you didn't know you left open. - John Barrymore __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
This discussion is off topic. Remember we are talking about the Macintosh here, OK? Get a clue losers! --- Joseph Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:47:57 -0500, you wrote: At 08:23 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: Buy me a Holset HX35 with the 9 cm^2 exhaust housing, and get me the unobtainium data sheet for the OKI 6260 used circa 1990, and we'll talk. You mean like one of these? http://msvorinich.itgo.com/Jan0703.html Of all the pages to happen across, you would find that one. My car is built along very similar lines, and that was my first confirmation that a HX35 would even spool on a small engine. eBay says rebuilt HX-35s are about $200 or thereabouts. I'm officially taking up a collection. Heck, $10 from 20 people and we've got it, which leaves Jeff to dig up data sheets ;) The 9cm^2 exhaust housing was the difficult part. Not attainable in North America from what I can tell, or at least on anything OEM. I was trying to be difficult, because my success in re a few 8 bit processors with 16K code dumps doesn't patch my huge gaps in knowledge about Mac hardware/software. Converting a single LCIII to 450/LCIII+ spec (oh, wow, a jumper) and firing it up a dozen times to plunk on it does not an expert make me. Loudmouthed? Yeah. Capable of the task we're discussing? Maybe yes, maybe no - as someone else pointed out it's not lack of talent but lack of interest. BTW, what are you bolting this monster onto? 89 CRX HF (1800 lbs) with turbo 94 Integra LS engine. The current turbo is good for ~220 whp @ 10 psi. With the new tubular turbo manifold I've built and the increased efficiencey of the modern Holsets over the venerable Garrett T-series plaguing the aftermarket I hope to hit ~220 off of 6-7 psi. based on results friends have had with some of the $$$ custom turbos out there, my guesstimation of power output shouldn't be too far off. Joseph -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com = Happiness often sneaks through a door you didn't know you left open. - John Barrymore __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Attn: Dave Lee-- Hear, Hear! You tell 'em, Dave! On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:09:19 -0800 (PST) Dave Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree. Guys, get it off the list. I'm tired of wading through all your crap. --- Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Could somebody please explain what this thread is about, and how it relates to Vintage Macs? Thanks! Rob At 08:23 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: Buy me a Holset HX35 with the 9 cm^2 exhaust housing, and get me the unobtainium data sheet for the OKI 6260 used circa 1990, and we'll talk. You mean like one of these? http://msvorinich.itgo.com/Jan0703.html eBay says rebuilt HX-35s are about $200 or thereabouts. I'm officially taking up a collection. Heck, $10 from 20 people and we've got it, which leaves Jeff to dig up data sheets ;) BTW, what are you bolting this monster onto? -- the pickle -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com = Happiness often sneaks through a door you didn't know you left open. - John Barrymore Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 01:51 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:28:53 -0800 (PST), you wrote: --- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give a competent programmer with proper equipment a ROM dump and financial incentive and if this problem is solvable, we'll have it fixed inside of a week. Finding the competent programmer is going to be the difficult (read: impossible) part. Naw, it's finding a competent programmer who gives a $hit about the problem. :P ( I know I could care less about any problem not related to the OKI 8xC154D derivative of the 8051 and the OKI 66K series of processors. I probably fit the bill on the other qualifications. Just 'cause I'm curious... Name your price ;) -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:53:26 -0500, you wrote: At 01:51 -0800 on 02/04/03, Joseph Davis wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:28:53 -0800 (PST), you wrote: --- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give a competent programmer with proper equipment a ROM dump and financial incentive and if this problem is solvable, we'll have it fixed inside of a week. Finding the competent programmer is going to be the difficult (read: impossible) part. Naw, it's finding a competent programmer who gives a $hit about the problem. :P ( I know I could care less about any problem not related to the OKI 8xC154D derivative of the 8051 and the OKI 66K series of processors. I probably fit the bill on the other qualifications. Just 'cause I'm curious... Name your price ;) Buy me a Holset HX35 with the 9 cm^2 exhaust housing, and get me the unobtainium data sheet for the OKI 6260 used circa 1990, and we'll talk. Joseph -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 00:09:08 -0500 on 4/1/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 00:06 -0500 on 01/04/03, Robert Gray wrote: At 07:43:41 -0500 on 3/31/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:42 -0500 on 31/03/03, Robert Gray wrote: I was thinking about something along the lines of...MODE32... a little file that you stick in your extensions folder. If the solution were that trivial, the question never would have come up. :-) What's the bet Connectix might have had something, but Apple didn't want them to release it and bought it off them? Conspiracy theory. I like it. :-) Another 200 mpg carburetor. Any company willing to write the ROMs to ignore RAM over 10 MB in the first place is clearly willing to do *way* too much to keep products stuck in the niche they're intended for. That doesn't explain why a half dozen Mac hackers never came up with a trivial software solution. If it were doable, it would have been done. Hey, who would ever need more than 128k of RAM anyway? ;-) -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 21:28 -0500 on 01/04/03, Robert Gray wrote: That doesn't explain why a half dozen Mac hackers never came up with a trivial software solution. If it were doable, it would have been They don't work for Apple? You'd think someone could write a browser for System 6, too, but nobody's done that either ;) Give a competent programmer with proper equipment a ROM dump and financial incentive and if this problem is solvable, we'll have it fixed inside of a week. Finding the competent programmer is going to be the difficult (read: impossible) part. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give a competent programmer with proper equipment a ROM dump and financial incentive and if this problem is solvable, we'll have it fixed inside of a week. Finding the competent programmer is going to be the difficult (read: impossible) part. Naw, it's finding a competent programmer who gives a $hit about the problem. :P (Which is why some other shortcomings of the classic Mac System/OS have never been fixed and likely never will be. See my other post in this thread where I listed three big ones.) = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 19:28 -0800 on 01/04/03, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give a competent programmer with proper equipment a ROM dump and financial incentive and if this problem is solvable, we'll have it fixed inside of a week. Finding the competent programmer is going to be the difficult (read: impossible) part. Naw, it's finding a competent programmer who gives a $hit about the problem. :P (Which is why some other Thus the financial incentive comment. Give me enough money and I'll teach *myself* how to do it. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
I was thinking about something along the lines of...MODE32... a little file that you stick in your extensions folder. If the solution were that trivial, the question never would have come up. :-) -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 22:53 -0600 on 30/03/03, Jeff Walther wrote: Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:42:13 -0500 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:27 -0500 on 30/03/03, Dan Knight wrote: Sonnet has come out with a patch. It's part of a PDS card that includes a 33 MHz '040 CPU, ethernet, and 32 MB additional memory. Ja, but that means it's doable in software. Not necessarily. Sonnet's card may be doing the trick the old 68000 Compact upgrades did where extra memory on their hardware is a RAM disk which becomes virtual memory. I *know* it doesn't do that. ;) -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 07:42 -0500 on 31/03/03, Robert Gray wrote: I was thinking about something along the lines of...MODE32... a little file that you stick in your extensions folder. If the solution were that trivial, the question never would have come up. :-) What's the bet Connectix might have had something, but Apple didn't want them to release it and bought it off them? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 07:43:41 -0500 on 3/31/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:42 -0500 on 31/03/03, Robert Gray wrote: I was thinking about something along the lines of...MODE32... a little file that you stick in your extensions folder. If the solution were that trivial, the question never would have come up. :-) What's the bet Connectix might have had something, but Apple didn't want them to release it and bought it off them? Conspiracy theory. I like it. :-) Another 200 mpg carburetor. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 00:06 -0500 on 01/04/03, Robert Gray wrote: At 07:43:41 -0500 on 3/31/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:42 -0500 on 31/03/03, Robert Gray wrote: I was thinking about something along the lines of...MODE32... a little file that you stick in your extensions folder. If the solution were that trivial, the question never would have come up. :-) What's the bet Connectix might have had something, but Apple didn't want them to release it and bought it off them? Conspiracy theory. I like it. :-) Another 200 mpg carburetor. Any company willing to write the ROMs to ignore RAM over 10 MB in the first place is clearly willing to do *way* too much to keep products stuck in the niche they're intended for. So unlike the 200 mpg carb, this one has some good logic behind it ;) -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: various people wrote What's the bet Connectix might have had something, but Apple didn't want them to release it and bought it off them? Conspiracy theory. I like it. :-) Another 200 mpg carburetor. Any company willing to write the ROMs to ignore RAM over 10 MB in the first place is clearly willing to do *way* too much to keep products stuck in the niche they're intended for. So unlike the 200 mpg carb, this one has some good logic behind it ;) Yah. Just hunt up the sorry, sad tale of how Apple set themselves back years in Brazil because they couldn't see their way to working with the Mac cloner Unitron instead of crushing them under a ton of lawyers. = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
For instance, if a computer has 2 MB on the motherboard and accepts two 4 MB SIMMs (but nothing larger), there's no reason in the world to create ROMs that can support more than 10 MB. There's a huge reason *not* to make a ROM that only supports 10 MB when it's clear that larger SIMMs are going to come into play within a few months... If this limitation is the the ROM thanks to our friends at Apple, and if it is patchable by someone with the necessary skills, why wouldn't Connectix or someone come out with such a patch. I'm sure they would have sold by the truckload. Unless of course they feared the wrath of Steve (or whoever...) Cheers, Adam. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 18:36 +1000 on 30/03/03, dana sibera wrote: From the (basic) knowledge I have of memory, the number of address lines (column and row) that are either physically connected to the simm socket, or even physically available on the memory controller, comes into play. If the motherboard doesn't have the lines available to address more than 4mb per socket (and the onboard ram can be effectively seen as a hardwired simm, logically) then seeing any more will need hardware fiddling. Right, but that's a banking issue more than anything else. There are X number of banks the controller can address, but the capacity of each bank is *much* higher than 4 MB. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
On 3/28/03 2:17 PM, Adam posted: If this limitation is the the ROM thanks to our friends at Apple, and if it is patchable by someone with the necessary skills, why wouldn't Connectix or someone come out with such a patch. I'm sure they would have sold by the truckload. Sonnet has come out with a patch. It's part of a PDS card that includes a 33 MHz '040 CPU, ethernet, and 32 MB additional memory. I can't access Sonnet's regular website http://sonnettech.com/ this morning to verify pricing, but I think the upgrade is $149 with the 68LC040 and $199 with the full 68040 processor. (Could be $50 less -- been a while since I checked.) Now think about it. That's a whole lot more than you'd pay for a used Quadra 605, a PDS ethernet card, and a 32 MB SIMM. For the price, you could invest in a very nice Power Mac -- maybe a 7100 or 5400. Sell a truckload? Despite perhaps millions of LC, LC II, and Color Classic machines out there, I doubt Sonnet has come close. There are too many economical ways to replace the motherboard or the entire computer for less money. -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living, it's a way of looking at life through the wrong end of a telescope and that enables you to laugh at life's realities. -- Dr. Seuss -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 10:27 -0500 on 30/03/03, Dan Knight wrote: Sonnet has come out with a patch. It's part of a PDS card that includes a 33 MHz '040 CPU, ethernet, and 32 MB additional memory. Ja, but that means it's doable in software. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 08:21 +1000 on 31/03/03, Adam wrote: Sonnet has come out with a patch. It's part of a PDS card that includes a 33 MHz '040 CPU, ethernet, and 32 MB additional memory. Ja, but that means it's doable in software. -- Does it? I'm not completely convinced that being able to do this with an upgrade card (which is, essentially a whole new computer on a PDS card) It's not a whole new computer on a PDS card. It still uses the LC ROMs for *most* - though not all - of its function. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:42:13 -0500 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:27 -0500 on 30/03/03, Dan Knight wrote: Sonnet has come out with a patch. It's part of a PDS card that includes a 33 MHz '040 CPU, ethernet, and 32 MB additional memory. Ja, but that means it's doable in software. Not necessarily. Sonnet's card may be doing the trick the old 68000 Compact upgrades did where extra memory on their hardware is a RAM disk which becomes virtual memory. I don't know how they did. I'm just playing devil's advocate here in order to note that it doesn't *necessarily* mean that they did it in software. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:27 -0500 on 30/03/03, Dan Knight wrote: Sonnet has come out with a patch. It's part of a PDS card that includes a 33 MHz '040 CPU, ethernet, and 32 MB additional memory. Ja, but that means it's doable in software. Depends on how the Sonnet card adds it's 32megs RAM. Sounds like that Sonnet card is practically a complete single board computer. I wonder if it enables full access to the memory on the LC board or if it can still only access 8 megs there? = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... There's always NCSA Telnet. It's not a very robust or buff FTP server, but it works and it doesn't cost anything. There were improvements over NCSA Telnet made and released, those being ANSI Telnet and, the one I use, Better Telnet. Steve Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
On 3/26/03 3:30 PM, Jeff Walther posted: From: Fletch Brendan Good [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you need a third choice, I would actually suggest an LC (not an LC II or III), even though LowEndMac declared it a Road Apple. Though it is essentially a repackaging of the Mac II (it has a 68020), If the LC were actually a repackaged Mac II, say with the NuBus slots removed and the SIMM slots reduced in number it would not be so bad. However, that is not the case. The LC has a 16 bit path between the CPU and memory, where the Mac II has a 32 bit path.This causes a very significant reduction in performance in the LC vs. the II. Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Maximum memory on a computer need not be a power of two. For instance, if a computer has 2 MB on the motherboard and accepts two 4 MB SIMMs (but nothing larger), there's no reason in the world to create ROMs that can support more than 10 MB. Yes, it was a stupid move that came back to bite Apple when they started putting 4 MB on the motherboard of later models but retained the 10 MB ceiling even though 12 MB could be installed, but a key marketing concept was that the LC would not steal sales from the IIci. By leaving out NuBus slots and limiting RAM expansion, Apple did that. On the other hand, this was the era of System 6.0.7, and the LC was the only Mac at the time capable of using more than 8 MB of memory under System 6 without a third-party hack. For those using System 6 and wanting maximum use of MultiFinder, that extra 2 MB could be helpful. Wooo. I wouldn't go on about this so much, but this is a pet peeve of mine about Apple. They release models that are handicapped beyond the requirements of any cost savings.By that, I mean that for the same money, and using pretty much the same parts, there have been several machines that could have been much better were it not for the marketing weenies. They still do it. Look at the Yikes! Power Mac G4 as a most recent example. It came out at the same time as the Sawtooth models, but it didn't support AGP video or the faster memory bus that the G4 processor could support. But it let Apple get more use out of the motherboard designed for the blue white G3 Always a shame when marketing trumps engineering. -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net As for Unix being 'inflexible,' 'expensive,' and 'complex,' we feel those are terms much better suited to the closed and proprietary world of Windows. Sun -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 20:30 -0600 on 29/03/03, Steve Conrad wrote: I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... There's always NCSA Telnet. It's not a very robust or buff FTP server, but it works and it doesn't cost anything. There were improvements over NCSA Telnet made and released, those being ANSI Telnet and, the one I use, Better Telnet. Do either of those support anything more than a single anonymous user on FTP? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 21:24 -0500 on 29/03/03, Dan Knight wrote: On 3/26/03 3:30 PM, Jeff Walther posted: From: Fletch Brendan Good [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you need a third choice, I would actually suggest an LC (not an LC II or III), even though LowEndMac declared it a Road Apple. Though it is essentially a repackaging of the Mac II (it has a 68020), If the LC were actually a repackaged Mac II, say with the NuBus slots removed and the SIMM slots reduced in number it would not be so bad. However, that is not the case. The LC has a 16 bit path between the CPU and memory, where the Mac II has a 32 bit path.This causes a very significant reduction in performance in the LC vs. the II. Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Maximum memory on a computer need not be a power of two. For instance, if a computer has 2 MB on the motherboard and accepts two 4 MB SIMMs (but nothing larger), there's no reason in the world to create ROMs that can support more than 10 MB. There's a huge reason *not* to make a ROM that only supports 10 MB when it's clear that larger SIMMs are going to come into play within a few months... On the other hand, this was the era of System 6.0.7, and the LC was the only Mac at the time capable of using more than 8 MB of memory under System 6 without a third-party hack. For those using System 6 and wanting maximum use of MultiFinder, that extra 2 MB could be helpful. No, not really. System 6 is the limiter, not the LC. An LC under System 6 will only see 8 MB RAM for apps, not 10 MB. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Speaking of all this- who can point me to some free software I can use to run such an FTP server using a IIci running System 7? Heck, forget free-- can someone point me to ANY software that'll let me run an FTP server on a IIci? I spent a good while at Version Tracker last night, and couldn't find a single program that would serve FTP on a 68K Mac. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Speaking of all this- who can point me to some free software I can use to run such an FTP server using a IIci running System 7? Heck, forget free-- can someone point me to ANY software that'll let me run an FTP server on a IIci? I spent a good while at Version Tracker last night, and couldn't find a single program that would serve FTP on a 68K Mac. If you switch to the free OS NetBSD you'll have a ftpserver for nothing. Installing it is fairly complicated but an interesting experience. It works fine on a MacIIci. Http://www.netbsd.org has all the software and lots of documentation as well. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
If you switch to the free OS NetBSD you'll have a ftpserver for nothing. Installing it is fairly complicated but an interesting experience. It works fine on a MacIIci. I appreciate the suggestion, but I'm already installing MkLinux onto a 7200... I was really hoping for something simpler on the IIci. I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... ...or am I all wrong about this? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 18:15 -0500 on 28/03/03, Fletch Brendan Good wrote: If you switch to the free OS NetBSD you'll have a ftpserver for nothing. Installing it is fairly complicated but an interesting experience. It works fine on a MacIIci. I appreciate the suggestion, but I'm already installing MkLinux onto a 7200... I was really hoping for something simpler on the IIci. I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... See if you can find an old version of NetPresenz. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... There's always NCSA Telnet. It's not a very robust or buff FTP server, but it works and it doesn't cost anything. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. -- Tacitus - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 16:59 -0800 on 28/03/03, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... There's always NCSA Telnet. It's not a very robust or buff FTP server, but it works and it doesn't cost anything. Does that actually support anything more than a single anonymous user? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... There's always NCSA Telnet. It's not a very robust or buff FTP server, but it works and it doesn't cost anything. Does that actually support anything more than a single anonymous user? Nope. But he does seem desperate. :-) -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The world only beats a path to your door when you're in the bathroom. -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Might find something on http://mac.tucows.com = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, as many people as I hear make the suggestion to turn that antique Mac into an FTP server, you'd think there would be plenty of solutions that don't require a non-standard OS- or at least ONE... There's always NCSA Telnet. It's not a very robust or buff FTP server, but it works and it doesn't cost anything. If you can dig up a 68k version of the Hotline server, that'll work, but anyone logging in will need the Hotline client. = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip So, someone sneak on over to Apple and appropriate those files, okay? And while you're there get the Bandit and Hammerhead designs too, would you? Don't forget the Mr. Clean 32bit clean ROMs for the SE/30, Mac II etc. that Apple used for development work on the IIci and System 7! = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
[Slamming Apple for the way they developed their line of computers and for not providing expandability.] I think Apple knew what they were doing. For every geek there are probably 30 users who just want to do a little word processing, send some email, surf the web, and maybe make a bithday card for grandma. They buy a computer, use for several machine-generation, and aren't the least bit interested in adding whistles, bells, and gizmos. I allow that the marketing people in any large, successful corporation do their homework. After all, this is a techie's list so it's to be expected that any missing, advanced feature will be identified and lamented. That doesn't mean that Apple missed the mark; it means that we have a different target. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
I have an LCIII I am trying to decide what to use for... Dave Make yourself a nice Email or FTP server (if an FTP server is the way you go you can make us mac fans yet another site to find software). Steve Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Don't I need some kind of static-IP address for that? I don't think Concast Cable Internet offers that. --- Steve Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an LCIII I am trying to decide what to use for... Dave Make yourself a nice Email or FTP server (if an FTP server is the way you go you can make us mac fans yet another site to find software). Steve Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com = Happiness often sneaks through a door you didn't know you left open. - John Barrymore __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Don't I need some kind of static-IP address for that? I don't think Concast Cable Internet offers that. You can use a service like dyndns.org or no-ip.com to redirect people to your FTP or web server when you have a dynamic IP address. I think it might involve using a browser to log into their system from your FTP or web server whenever you boot the machine. I also think there's a way to use IPNetRouter (if anyone's using that) as a client to automagically keep dyndns.org apprised of the IP address for your server. Speaking of all this- who can point me to some free software I can use to run such an FTP server using a IIci running System 7? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 10:17 -0800 on 27/03/03, Dave Lee wrote: Don't I need some kind of static-IP address for that? I don't think Concast Cable Internet offers that. You definitely don't need static IPs for it, but you might want a Dynamic DNS client. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wooo. I wouldn't go on about this so much, but this is a pet peeve of mine about Apple. They release models that are handicapped beyond the requirements of any cost savings.By that, I mean that for the same money, and using pretty much the same parts, there have been several machines that could have been much better were it not for the marketing weenies. Yep, during the Jobs-less years (and some during the first Jobs era) Apple was a master at shooting themselves in both feet at the same time. ;) All those deliberately hobbled bad designs made to be affordable but which were just cheap were sold in stores like Wal*Mart next to faster PCs like Packard Bells with more Mhz, more RAM and bigger hard drives. Thus the general public got an impression of Macs being slow and limited in their hardware. IMHO, the LC and the Mac TV were the lowest point in Macintosh hardware history. Makes me ask WHY!? Apple clearly did not get it that computer users (in those years) shopped mostly on capability, performance and upgradeability, not price, as the major buying decision points. If they wanted X amount of computer they were going to buy it, not something offering only x amount even if it cost a lot less. Had the IIsi been shipped at the originally planned 25Mhz instead of 20Mhz it would not have cut into sales of the IIci because people buying the IIci wanted it for features like the three Nubus slots. Anyone shopping on price would go for the IIsi. Nobody looking for the expandability of the IIci would give the IIsi a first look because it could never be the computer they wanted. Expandability has alwyas been a varying thing with the Macintosh. First there was none, then the Plus had the ability to go up to 4 megabytes RAM. Then the SE/30 had the capacity for 128megs RAM and the PDS connector. The Mac II had six NuBus slots, so did the IIx and the IIfx. Then Apple released the IIcx with only three slots and the IIci with three. Here's where Apple made a big miss, no three slot 40Mhz 030! Could've made some cash off people looking for the speed of the IIfx but not the size so they settled for the IIci. Then Apple made yet another goof by only putting two NuBus slots in the Quadra 700. It gained built in Ethernet over the IIci, but what was the IIci owner with three NuBus cards (none of them ethernet) going to do? One card had to be dumped to make the upgrade. Could be Apple figured such customers would simply have to upgrade to the Quadra 840? Then along came the massive Quadra 900/950 with more NuBus slots. A brilliant move there. Then Apple got dumb again by only putting three slots in the 7100 and 8100 PowerMacs. Back to smart with the 9500/9600 PowerMac with 6 slots, which hasn't been seen since. I wish I knew why Apple has so many times done the two steps forward and one step back routine when going to a faster/better CPU. So they may build more standard features into the box, but cutting expandability at the same time only cut a significant number of Mac owners right out of a desire to upgrade because they'd have to give up some of their stuff. I know many people who would run right out and slap the money down for a G4/Dual G4 with AGP Pro and six or more PCI slots, no matter what it cost, because that is what they want. Apple just refuses to build it. Another $10,000 Mac wouldn't ruffle their feathers at all, they'd gloat about spending so much just like they did when they bought a IIfx so long ago. ;) IMHO, the Power Express, prototypes of which have stuff that has never been on any production Mac, would've been a big success. It woulda been the Monster Mac that many have desired for so long! = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which says to me patch it! There *has* to be a way to patch that ROM in software to get around the limitation. Even if it only allowed the use of low-profile 16 MB SIMMs, that would more than triple the current RAM cap and make the LC and LC II a *lot* more tolerable. Same goes for the MacTV if anyone out there has the skillz to write the patch. Can't do it with a software patch, unless maybe you want to write a whole OS from scratch that does not depend on the hardware for access to the RAM. (If it's even possible to bypass that ASIC!) Older Macs and PCs of that era depended heavily on direct interaction with the hardware and the built in software in the ROM or BIOS. The New World Macs and any PC capable of running Windows 95+ use very little direct hardware access and the built in software serves little but to get the thing up and running and to kick off starting the Operating System. (Modern Macs' ROM is actually a part of the OS, a file loaded into RAM.) ASIC = Application Specific Integrated Circuit. That's a chip custom designed for one and only one application. In many devices the ASIC has been supplanted by the PGA or Programmable Gate Array or FPGA (stick a Field in front of PGA) which means it can be programmed after it's encapsulated in the packaging. The benefit of F/PGA is that if some problem is discovered during production, a whole new chip doesn't have to be fabbed from a corrected design, they just alter how the chips are programmed _after_ they are made. So a question is, is there any FPGA capable of being programmed to replace the LC/LCII memory controller but without the RAM size limitation? Next question is, is there anyone capable of figuring out how to program it? Finally, if both the first two are YES, is it really worth it? ;) = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 02:05 -0800 on 26/03/03, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which says to me patch it! There *has* to be a way to patch that ROM in software to get around the limitation. Even if it only allowed the use of low-profile 16 MB SIMMs, that would more than triple the current RAM cap and make the LC and LC II a *lot* more tolerable. Same goes for the MacTV if anyone out there has the skillz to write the patch. Can't do it with a software patch, unless maybe you want to write a whole OS from scratch that does not depend on the hardware for access to the RAM. (If it's even possible to bypass that ASIC!) If the ROM was simply coded to ignore the extra RAM, the patching is trivial. If the RAM controller itself won't recognise more than that, you're right - it's basically impossible. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
I know many people who would run right out and slap the money down for a G4/Dual G4 with AGP Pro and six or more PCI slots, no matter what it cost, because that is what they want. I'd buy one in a New York minute. I'm already nearly out of slots on my dual 1.25GHz G4. To bring this back on topic, dropping a NuBus slot from the IIci for built-in Ethernet on the Q700 wasn't *such* a bad idea since a lot of people were using one of the slots for Ethernet, but it would have been nice to have your cake and eat it too. And of course then there's the LC-type boxes which other than PDS have no expansion options at all. At least you could put *a* NuBus card in a IIsi with an adaptor. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ACTUAL CLASSIFIED AD: Parachute, used once, never opened, small stain. $100 -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Speaking of the topic of expandability, I also find it downright maddening how Apple continues bottlenecking the expandability options. The first Mac I ever even saw in person was the Grape iMac(I'm serious, we used TRS80s and DOS PCs when I was in school), and I hated it because, where was I supposed to put more hard drives and cards? Lo and behold, several years later, I' m typing this message on an Indigo iMac in my office which I picked out. Funny how we change. Anyway, in the past year, I've had a lot of old Macs come in as donations and I have been testing them and doing the Frankenstein thing to make machines that will be fully stacked. What has amazed me all the way is how limited these things are in the expansion options. I had an LC given to me with a MathCoprocessor, but I had to ditch the MathCo to get the network card in. What a shame. Also, I was trying to set up a server for our FileMaker databases. After trying a number of configurations to get a zip drive in a 6500 and a G3 DT, I finally got tired of the way things were set up and pulled the G3 motherboard to do a conversion into an ATX case, so that I could have more fans and more drive bays. It's a shame, really, but at least I have a tower( not a squat, fat desktop model) that has plenty of fans and lots of room for drives. In all this, I was lamenting that Apple doesn't offer some type of build it yourself kit. If they would make an ATX compatible mobo, with processor installed, and sell those, they'd make a mint. I'd buy one! I know plenty of other people who would too. I guess the only reason this type of thing doesn't happen is because Uncle Steve's pet-peeves keep getting in the way of options. Like his pet-peeve against Palm type devices. Does he have any clue how much I'd be willing to pay for a handheld device that runs a variant of OSX instead of having to shop around in the Palm/Pocket PC market? Oh well, enough complaining... Peace, Todd -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Anyway, don't dishonor the Mac II, which was a fine machine for its
day, by saying that the LC is a close relative. :-)
OK, OK, I see that I deserved that, at least to some extent, for
having made the mistake of closely comparing the LC and the II. I was
paraphrasing Everymac.com and some other website (Apple Museum, Apple
History?) when I said that, but the exact quote was that they were
distant cousins. And now I realize that just because they were the
only two 68020-based Macs doesn't mean they were really related.
Also, I did understand that both the LC and LC II were hamstrung by
their 16-bit data paths, but for some reason I was under the mistaken
impression that it was a much more severe hindrance for the LC II,
with its 68030, than it was for the LC with its 68020. I stand
corrected.
But hey, Trag, c'mon dude! It wasn't like I was trying to recommend
the LC to someone who needs to run major apps on System 7 with a lot
of RAM, etc! {-D
The marketing weenies were probably pressuring the engineering folks
to build a machine that wouldn't compete with the IIsi and the
abominable LC is what we got.
Yeah, that's exactly what it was. They had the IIsi and the Mac
Classic out at the same time and they wanted to position this sucker
right in between. I do agree with you that Apple applied overkill to
the process of dumbing down the LC so it wouldn't compete with the
IIsi, but at least they admitted the reason for its existence in its
very name. It was never the kind of machine that would please us
power users, but they weren't aiming for us when they made it. God
knows how many schools had those things. Even colleges- one of the
ones I picked up came from UNC-Greensboro's Physics and Astronomy
Department.
Basically, the LC could be a better machine with exactly the same
hardware, if the ROM was better written. It could be a pretty good
machine, albeit a little more expensive with a wider data bus. [...]
It didn't become what it should have been until the LC III.
I agree, but unfortunately the LC III doesn't run System 6. If it
did, I'd never have mentioned the LC, and neither would I be using
one for my own System 6 project.
I know I tend to make a habit out of defending the real low-level
machines, usually the ones in pizza boxes (Mark Benson, little help
here!) I use two 6100s that I'm very loyal to- they're kinda like the
workhorse mules in a barnyard of racehorses. So I won't go on about
the LC too much here, other than to say that when LowEndMac made it a
Road Apple, it was with two bullets (compromised; nice computers as
long as you are aware of their limitations) not three (fairly
compromised, like the Mac TV or IIvx) or even four (avoid at all
costs, the Performas 52xx-62xx). And you know, I just noticed that
the IIfx itself is a one-bullet Road Apple- at the same time they
rated it a Best Buy! Go figure.
All I was saying was, for what Oob's dad wants to do, I think a 20MHz
LC with 10MB of RAM running System 6 should be sufficient, and save
him the trouble of paying shipping for a larger machine, or trying to
track one down locally.
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Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:26:56 -0500
From: Fletch Brendan Good [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Anyway, don't dishonor the Mac II, which was a fine machine for its
day, by saying that the LC is a close relative. :-)
OK, OK, I see that I deserved that, at least to some extent, for
having made the mistake of closely comparing the LC and the II.
That wasn't meant to be so harsh towards you, that you had to
deserve that in order for me to write it. Any harshness in that
was meant for Apple. My apologies if you feel like you got splashed
by my vitriol balloon.
I was
paraphrasing Everymac.com and some other website (Apple Museum, Apple
History?) when I said that,
for some reason I was under the mistaken impression
It's hard to keep all that stuff straight if you weren't reading the
Mac magazines back in the early 90s.
But hey, Trag, c'mon dude! It wasn't like I was trying to recommend
the LC to someone who needs to run major apps on System 7 with a lot
of RAM, etc! {-D
Your recommendation was a fine one. I'm sorry if I seemed to dis
your recommendation. I was only aiming at the comparison of the two
machines.
It was never the kind of machine that would please us
power users, but they weren't aiming for us when they made it. God
knows how many schools had those things. Even colleges- one of the
ones I picked up came from UNC-Greensboro's Physics and Astronomy
Department.
My objection isn't that Apple made machines that won't please power
users. That is certainly okay as far as it goes. My objection is
that Apple built machines that sucked a lot more than they had to for
the same cost in parts. A simple change to the LC would be to get
rid of the memory limitation. That would not increase the cost.
Adding a 32 bit data path might have cost a bit more, especially if
it required more board real estate, but it might not have as well.
The increment would probably have been small, unless it pushed the
ASIC complexity over some edge that took it to a larger die size.
I know I tend to make a habit out of defending the real low-level
machines, usually the ones in pizza boxes (Mark Benson, little help
here!) I use two 6100s that I'm very loyal to-
No need to be defensive. I think the 6100 is a great machine. But
the 6100 is based on a philosophy which would have served the LC
well. The 6100 is a 7100 is an 8100.They all use exactly the
same chip set and ROM (with some revision changes along the way and
the 8100 may have used a slightly different ROM). Apple just hacked
a few things off to make the 7100 and the 6100. If they had built
the LC from a IIci in the same way, and maybe updated the on-board
video and added sound-in along the way, it would have been a fine
machine.
Of the pizza boxes, I like the 6100, Q605 (and all its relatives) and
the LCIII. I have a Q605 and all the parts for a 6100...except all
my 6100 MBs have cracked CPUs. That's my ultimate soldering
project. :-) I have a IIci so there's not much point in getting an
LCIII.
All I was saying was, for what Oob's dad wants to do, I think a 20MHz
LC with 10MB of RAM running System 6 should be sufficient, and save
him the trouble of paying shipping for a larger machine, or trying to
track one down locally.
I agree completely. As I mentioned above, I was merely objecting to
a technicality.
Jeff Walther
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Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 15:30 -0500 03/26/2003, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:18:07 -0500 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the ROM was simply coded to ignore the extra RAM, the patching is trivial. Hmmm. I wonder if there's any way to squeeze the IIsi ROM in there and see what happens... If the RAM controller itself won't recognise more than that, you're right - it's basically impossible. If we had the documentation on the original ASICwhich, I guess, is another way of saying basically impossible. The FPGAs another poster mentioned give a convenient way to modify these old machines. If we had the original Verilog or VHDL which Apple used to design those ASICs (assuming they used an HDL) it would be fairly trivial to modify the design appropriatley. Then the trick would be to find an FPGA with a compatible pinout. The latter might not be as hard as it sounds, as engineers tend to reuse pinouts all over the place. But the impossible part is probably learning enough about what the original chip does to be able to design a replacement. So, someone sneak on over to Apple and appropriate those files, okay? And while you're there get the Bandit and Hammerhead designs too, would you? It's too bad the patent office stopped requiring full disclosure on patented devices. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My objection is that Apple built machines that sucked a lot more than they had to for the same cost in parts. A simple change to the LC would be to get rid of the memory limitation. That would not increase the cost. Adding a 32 bit data path might have cost a bit more, especially if it required more board real estate, but it might not have as well. The increment would probably have been small, unless it pushed the ASIC complexity over some edge that took it to a larger die size. Yes but the LC was strategically positioned *below* the IIsi (with no RAM limit and 32bit data bus). If they had removed the RAM limit and put in a 32bit data bus, the only thing separating them would be the CPU (68020 vs. 68030). When the LC came out everyone was pretty excited because it was an economically viable step up to Color Mac computing. My dad bought the IIsi in 1990. I'll never forget that, he got the 5/80 model with the extended keyboard and the Laserwriter LS! That was a HUGE jump from the Mac Plus with an Imagewriter II!! Dave = Happiness often sneaks through a door you didn't know you left open. - John Barrymore __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I wonder if there's any way to squeeze the IIsi ROM in there and see what happens... IIsi ROMs can be placed inside SE/30s to make them 32 bit clean. I don't know if the LC has socketed ROM. I have an LCIII I am trying to decide what to use for... Dave = Happiness often sneaks through a door you didn't know you left open. - John Barrymore __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 19:42 -0600 on 26/03/03, Jeff Walther wrote: At 15:30 -0500 03/26/2003, Vintage Macs wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:18:07 -0500 From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the ROM was simply coded to ignore the extra RAM, the patching is trivial. Hmmm. I wonder if there's any way to squeeze the IIsi ROM in there and see what happens... Wrong form factor, and lots of the hardware is different, too, so I don't think it would work :( -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Fletch Brendan Good [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip And you know, I just noticed that the IIfx itself is a one-bullet Road Apple- at the same time they rated it a Best Buy! Go figure. That's because of the funky 64pin SIMMs and the fact that the PDS is useless unless you stumble onto a rare Toka-Mac or one of the other, even rarer, CPU upgrades. = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
--- Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On some platforms you'd run a degrader of some sort. Doesn't one exist for the mac? There is one I'm pretty sure, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called. VMac for Mac. :) Emulates a Mac Plus. http://www.vmac.org May still run too fast on really fast Macs. = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On some platforms you'd run a degrader of some sort. Doesn't one exist for the mac? There is one I'm pretty sure, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called. VMac for Mac. :) Emulates a Mac Plus. http://www.vmac.org May still run too fast on really fast Macs. Thats cheating. :) A very true emulation for those who haven't tried it bumps and all. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
While we're cheating, here's another emulator that you could try. Never tried it myself, but remembered seeing it come across the daily updates. Granted, this won't bring true nostalgia, but it's worth a shot if you run into dead ends doing the real way. Peace, Todd -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:46:52 -0500 From: Fletch Brendan Good [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new 68k for Dad If you need a third choice, I would actually suggest an LC (not an LC II or III), even though LowEndMac declared it a Road Apple. Though it is essentially a repackaging of the Mac II (it has a 68020), If the LC were actually a repackaged Mac II, say with the NuBus slots removed and the SIMM slots reduced in number it would not be so bad. However, that is not the case. The LC has a 16 bit path between the CPU and memory, where the Mac II has a 32 bit path.This causes a very significant reduction in performance in the LC vs. the II. Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Apple must have done something seriously stupid in the ROM and/or the memory map, because that's not the kind of number you're likely to get from a hardware limitation. Basically, the LC could be a better machine with exactly the same hardware, if the ROM was better written. It could be a pretty good machine, albeit a little more expensive with a wider data bus. The marketing weenies were probably pressuring the engineering folks to build a machine that wouldn't compete with the IIsi and the abominable LC is what we got. It didn't become what it should have been until the LC III. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the design for the LC III was basically laying around during the entire lifetime of the LC and the LCII. Wooo. I wouldn't go on about this so much, but this is a pet peeve of mine about Apple. They release models that are handicapped beyond the requirements of any cost savings.By that, I mean that for the same money, and using pretty much the same parts, there have been several machines that could have been much better were it not for the marketing weenies. It's darned inefficient, it is. Anyway, don't dishonor the Mac II, which was a fine machine for its day, by saying that the LC is a close relative. :-) Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
. Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Apple must have done something seriously stupid in the ROM and/or the memory map, because that's not the kind of number you're likely to get from a hardware limitation. The 10Mb RAM limit was deliberately programmed into the LC's ASICs. Cheers, Adam. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 03:50 +1000 on 25/03/03, Adam wrote: . Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB.What's up with that? It's not even a power of 2. Apple must have done something seriously stupid in the ROM and/or the memory map, because that's not the kind of number you're likely to get from a hardware limitation. The 10Mb RAM limit was deliberately programmed into the LC's ASICs. Which says to me patch it! There *has* to be a way to patch that ROM in software to get around the limitation. Even if it only allowed the use of low-profile 16 MB SIMMs, that would more than triple the current RAM cap and make the LC and LC II a *lot* more tolerable. Same goes for the MacTV if anyone out there has the skillz to write the patch. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
Additionally, the Mac II had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. The LC goes up to 10 MB. snip The 10Mb RAM limit was deliberately programmed into the LC's ASICs. Which says to me patch it! There *has* to be a way to patch that ROM in software to get around the limitation. That would rock, but, is the limitation actually programmed into the ROM? Or is it built into the memory controller or some other inaccessable location? Cheers, Adam. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LC Road Apple; Was: Re: new 68k for Dad
At 04:05 +1000 on 25/03/03, Adam wrote: That would rock, but, is the limitation actually programmed into the ROM? Or is it built into the memory controller or some other inaccessable location? No one really knows for sure, but I suspect the ROM. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
new 68k for Dad
Hey all, My dad has some old games that he wistfully speaks of at times. He used to play them on his old SE. I think his favorites were Playmaker Football and V for Victory. I was thinking of getting him another better, faster, color Mac so he could play them again. I believe most of his stuff required System 6, so that is the main requirement for the new proposed machine. I have looked at the Apple site for machines compatible with system 6, and I guess the IIsi, IIci is catching my attention. I love my old IIsi, I use it every day! Anyway, 1) Are the specs accurate on the Apple site as to which machines can run System 6? It seems like very few of them can. 2) Since it is possible to easily get many different types of machines from eBay or the Swaplist, what are the suggestions you folks have for a good gaming machine? Thanks in advance! oob -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
With some of the older games, it's tough to tell what systems will work. A lot of programmers back then wrote directly to areas of the hardware that was subsequently changed later on by Apple. For example, I have a King's Quest II game that will not run on anything newer than a Mac II. Not my IIci or IIcx, not my LC - just the Mac II, and the 68000 based Compact Macs. Chipwits 1.0 won't run on anything but my 128K or 512K - not even my 512Ke! So it may not *just* be a System 6 issue. I guess what I'm saying is that a IIci running System 6 *may* be incompatible with some of these games. Then again, it could be just fine. You're just going to have to try it and see. With prices of these kinds of Macs being so ungodly low, you may want to pick up an SE to assure compatibility with some real old games, and then also get a IIci, IIfx, etc...for some more System 6 horsepower. System 6 on a IIfx is unbelievable! =) Have fun! -dustin On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 04:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, My dad has some old games that he wistfully speaks of at times. He used to play them on his old SE. I think his favorites were Playmaker Football and V for Victory. I was thinking of getting him another better, faster, color Mac so he could play them again. I believe most of his stuff required System 6, so that is the main requirement for the new proposed machine. I have looked at the Apple site for machines compatible with system 6, and I guess the IIsi, IIci is catching my attention. I love my old IIsi, I use it every day! Anyway, 1) Are the specs accurate on the Apple site as to which machines can run System 6? It seems like very few of them can. 2) Since it is possible to easily get many different types of machines from eBay or the Swaplist, what are the suggestions you folks have for a good gaming machine? Thanks in advance! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dad has some old games that he wistfully speaks of at times. He used to play them on his old SE. I think his favorites were Playmaker Football and V for Victory. I was thinking of getting him another better, faster, color Mac so he could play them again. I believe most of his stuff required System 6, so that is the main requirement for the new proposed machine. I have looked at the Apple site for machines compatible with system 6, and I guess the IIsi, IIci is catching my attention. I love my old IIsi, I use it every day! Anyway, Something you have to watch out for is that some games written for the older Macs had no speed control code, they'd just run as fast as possible. Thus they become unplayable on newer Macs because they run super fast. (Same problem as with early games written for the PC and PC/XT boxes.) = Why do Zik-Zak Burgers come in plastic packs? Some of the plastic rubs off on them and increases their nutritional value! Max Headroom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
Gregg Eshelman wrote: Something you have to watch out for is that some games written for the older Macs had no speed control code, they'd just run as fast as possible. Thus they become unplayable on newer Macs because they run super fast. (Same problem as with early games written for the PC and PC/XT boxes.) On some platforms you'd run a degrader of some sort. Doesn't one exist for the mac? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
Gregg Eshelman wrote: Something you have to watch out for is that some games written for the older Macs had no speed control code, they'd just run as fast as possible. Thus they become unplayable on newer Macs because they run super fast. (Same problem as with early games written for the PC and PC/XT boxes.) On some platforms you'd run a degrader of some sort. Doesn't one exist for the mac? The past couple messages have come in duplicate from this list. Anyone know why? Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
Steve Conrad wrote: The past couple messages have come in duplicate from this list. Anyone know why? In my case, human error at my end. Sorry -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: new 68k for Dad
On some platforms you'd run a degrader of some sort. Doesn't one exist for the mac? There is one I'm pretty sure, but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called. Cheers, Adam. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
