Re: 5s cases

2014-06-03 Thread Brian Fischler
I would suggest the Juice box as it comes with a battery charge and the case 
seems to make VoiceOver a little louder from the compression of the case. 
There's not a weird echo, it just seems to come across a little louder. The 
only drawback and I don't really see this as a draw back it your lighting cable 
can't charge the phone with the case on, but the bottom of the case is simple 
enough to slip off and the phone is still sturdy in the case. They also provide 
you with a charging cable that charges the case and phone so it's like have an 
additional charge, love it, and the newer cases now come with extra storage if 
you need it, a quality product.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 The Otterbox Defender case offers the same protection as it does on the 4S, 
 except for the home button. That is left uncovered, so that you can use Touch 
 ID. The rest of the case is solid though, and feels more solid - the outer 
 case is harder and sturdier to my touch, compared to the softer and flimsier 
 silicone of the 4S case.
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Larry Lumpkin llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
 
 I had an otterbox for the 5s and loved it.  It has a plastic piece over the
 screen and rubber housing
 
 
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 Hello all. I received an iPhone 5s. Can anyone recommend any good cases? I
 had an OtterBox case for my 4S but want  good protection as well as the
 ability to use the fingerprint ID.
 
 Hope Paulos
 
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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing
really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of
words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words at
one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to
review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement
this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many
Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the day
when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards. 

 

This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of
one app now can access information from other apps which previously was not
possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use voices
you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not sure if
this is actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that way.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 

Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more

On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
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Hi all,

I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features
we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I
can't break an NDA.

 

* Better Zoom

* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch

* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids

* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for
sure)

* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)

* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes,
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears,
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!


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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread RobH.
It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.* 
straight up to 8.*.

Rh.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features 
we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I 
can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

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Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.com




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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy
Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.* 
straight up to 8.*.

Rh.
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From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features 
we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I 
can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

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Have a great day,
Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.com




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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:

Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.

Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features
we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I
can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes,
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears,
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

--
Have a great day,
Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.com






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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread M. Taylor
Hello,

I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.  

I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
...

Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.* 
 straight up to 8.*.

 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have 
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know 
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as 
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of 
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a 
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard 
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com





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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I probably would 
turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just me, though.

Teresa

The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham

On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing 
 really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of 
 words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words at 
 one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to 
 review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement this 
 with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many Fleksy is 
 a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the day when Apple 
 would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards.
  
 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of one 
 app now can access information from other apps which previously was not 
 possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use voices you 
 bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not sure if this is 
 actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that way.
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 .
  
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 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
  
 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features 
 we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I 
 can't break an NDA.
  
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
 Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
 Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
 from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
  
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
  
  
 
  
  
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread RobH.
Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of it, 
especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used in commerce 
or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to make or correct my 
own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.

But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the simplest 
grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave access to the 
common-obscure characters - / and a few others we never used in ordinary 
writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and links all the time now.
If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!  - for 
it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as many 
non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head round.
Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the whole 
extended character set.

But we'll see!

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I probably 
would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just me, though.

Teresa

The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham

On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing 
 really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of 
 words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words at 
 one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to 
 review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement 
 this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many 
 Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the 
 day when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards.

 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of 
 one app now can access information from other apps which previously was 
 not possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use 
 voices you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not 
 sure if this is actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that 
 way.

 Regards,
 Sieghard
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 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the 
 beta, so I can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
 Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
 Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
 from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

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How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Kimber Gardner
Hi,

I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
I received several pictures as attachments to texts and I would like
to save them.

Can someone refresh my memory about how to do this?

Thanks,
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Re: assembling the scan stand pro

2014-06-03 Thread Mrs Villa
hello 
what is this device your talking about and what does it do? sorry i've never 
heard of it.
best si 

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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Mrs Villa
sounds like a drag. it sounds like predictive ttext. best si

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Re: assembling the scan stand pro

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher J Chaltain
It's a stand you can use to hold your phone while you're scanning a 
document. It keeps the phone steady and the right distance from the 
document. You can read more at 
http://standscan.com/index.php/product/standscan-pro.html which I found 
with Google.


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hello
what is this device your talking about and what does it do? sorry i've never 
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Re: How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Feliciano G
Double tap, share, save 

  Regards, Feliciano

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 I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
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Re: How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Kimber Gardner
I don't see options to share or save when I double tap.

On 6/3/14, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Double tap, share, save

   Regards, Feliciano

 Sent from the Super-iPhone

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 Hi,

 I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
 I received several pictures as attachments to texts and I would like
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 Can someone refresh my memory about how to do this?

 Thanks,
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Re: How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Feliciano G

 Drag your finger to the bottom left corner of the phone.

  Regards, Feliciano

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 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:59 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't see options to share or save when I double tap.
 
 On 6/3/14, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Double tap, share, save
 
  Regards, Feliciano
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:04 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
 I received several pictures as attachments to texts and I would like
 to save them.
 
 Can someone refresh my memory about how to do this?
 
 Thanks,
 Kimber
 
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Re: How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Andrew J. LaPointe
Hi, when you get to the pic or video, view or listen to it.  There will be a 
spot at that point that says, Share.  Tap on Share and you now have the 
options of e-mail, message or save.  If you tap save, it will take it to 
your photo app and you can sort it.  It labels it with a date.  I do this 
all the time when my daughter sends me videos of my grand daughter 
Mackenzie.  Hope this helps, Andy and Shubert


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I don't see options to share or save when I double tap.

On 6/3/14, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:

Double tap, share, save

  Regards, Feliciano

Sent from the Super-iPhone


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Hi,

I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
I received several pictures as attachments to texts and I would like
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Can someone refresh my memory about how to do this?

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Re: How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Carrie Snodgrass
Hello,
I have had a similar issue when trying to save photos from text messages. When 
you click on the image, find the back button and flick right from there. So 
once you find the back button, flicking wants will take you to the image, and 
then flicking again will take you to the share button. Double tap share. Then 
it will bring up various options, such as message, mail, Facebook, twitter, 
etc. There is a button further down in that list that says save image. Double 
tap save image. It will save the picture, but you are not notified that it was 
saved, but it is, in fact, saved in your camera roll.
HTH,
Carrie

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 On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't see options to share or save when I double tap.
 
 On 6/3/14, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Double tap, share, save
 
  Regards, Feliciano
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:04 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
 I received several pictures as attachments to texts and I would like
 to save them.
 
 Can someone refresh my memory about how to do this?
 
 Thanks,
 Kimber
 
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Re: How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Kimber Gardner
Thanks Carrie. Very good instructions. I finally got them saved.

Kimber

On 6/3/14, Carrie Snodgrass csnodgra...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
 Hello,
 I have had a similar issue when trying to save photos from text messages.
 When you click on the image, find the back button and flick right from
 there. So once you find the back button, flicking wants will take you to the
 image, and then flicking again will take you to the share button. Double tap
 share. Then it will bring up various options, such as message, mail,
 Facebook, twitter, etc. There is a button further down in that list that
 says save image. Double tap save image. It will save the picture, but you
 are not notified that it was saved, but it is, in fact, saved in your camera
 roll.
 HTH,
 Carrie

 Sent from my iPhone

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 wrote:

 I don't see options to share or save when I double tap.

 On 6/3/14, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Double tap, share, save

  Regards, Feliciano

 Sent from the Super-iPhone

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 Hi,

 I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
 I received several pictures as attachments to texts and I would like
 to save them.

 Can someone refresh my memory about how to do this?

 Thanks,
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Re: How to save a picture from a text message

2014-06-03 Thread Carrie Snodgrass
Glad it worked out. I wanted to also mention the item list. If you have the 
image open and you flick past the share button, the next button is the item 
list. It lists all of the photos in a text thread. I find this helpful, 
particularly since my rather large family has adopted the practice of group 
texting several times a day. Since there are 12 of us in the group text, 
multiple texts will come in at the same time. I very easily could miss photos 
that were texted because I can't keep up with all of them as they come in. The 
item list shows me how many pictures came in, and I can make sure that I have 
saved them all individually without trying to read through the entire thread. 
Carrie 

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 Thanks Carrie. Very good instructions. I finally got them saved.
 
 Kimber
 
 On 6/3/14, Carrie Snodgrass csnodgra...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
 Hello,
 I have had a similar issue when trying to save photos from text messages.
 When you click on the image, find the back button and flick right from
 there. So once you find the back button, flicking wants will take you to the
 image, and then flicking again will take you to the share button. Double tap
 share. Then it will bring up various options, such as message, mail,
 Facebook, twitter, etc. There is a button further down in that list that
 says save image. Double tap save image. It will save the picture, but you
 are not notified that it was saved, but it is, in fact, saved in your camera
 roll.
 HTH,
 Carrie
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I don't see options to share or save when I double tap.
 
 On 6/3/14, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Double tap, share, save
 
 Regards, Feliciano
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:04 AM, Kimber Gardner
 kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Thanks Carrie. Very good instructions. I finally got them saved.
 
 Kimber
 
 On 6/3/14, Carrie Snodgrass csnodgra...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
 Hello,
 I have had a similar issue when trying to save photos from text messages.
 When you click on the image, find the back button and flick right from
 there. So once you find the back button, flicking wants will take you to the
 image, and then flicking again will take you to the share button. Double tap
 share. Then it will bring up various options, such as message, mail,
 Facebook, twitter, etc. There is a button further down in that list that
 says save image. Double tap save image. It will save the picture, but you
 are not notified that it was saved, but it is, in fact, saved in your camera
 roll.
 HTH,
 Carrie
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I don't see options to share or save when I double tap.
 
 On 6/3/14, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Double tap, share, save
 
 Regards, Feliciano
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:04 AM, Kimber Gardner
 kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I know this has been covered before, so apologies for the repeat. But
 I received several pictures as attachments to texts and I would like
 to save them.
 
 Can someone refresh my memory about how to do this?
 
 Thanks,
 Kimber
 
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Re: 5s cases

2014-06-03 Thread Mike Arrigo
The mophie juice pack is my favorite case, it also includes a battery 
that will just about double your battery life between charges.

Original message:
Hello all. I received an iPhone 5s. Can anyone recommend any good 
cases? I had an OtterBox case for my 4S but want  good protection as 
well as the ability to use the fingerprint ID.



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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Mike Arrigo
Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great 
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we 
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use 
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at 
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one 
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file 
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying 
and moving files is very difficult.

Original message:

Hello,



I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.



I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
...



Mark



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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.



Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu



On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:

Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?



Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:



It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.



Rh.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8




Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.



* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!



That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!



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iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I 
can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?

For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing, 
whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally 
destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to audio 
as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is 
that at times I forget where I have placed it.

Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've 
forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened so 
far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once 
carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in my 
back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as someone 
engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I went 
to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket 
and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.

I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case 
one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and 
iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame 
and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a 
search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS 
devices on car windshields.

Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.

Sorry for the long post, Smile.

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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread peter
hmm, maybe we see some improvements with other voices with the extensions 
maganisme.
was just thinking

On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 10:18:36AM -0400, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a
 great improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it
 appears we will not be getting. First, the ability to install other
 voices and use them system wide. Each person has their own voice
 preferences, but at this point, any new voices that are installed
 can only be used with one application. The other feature I wish we
 would have gotten is file management. As far as I know, I O S is the
 only platform where copying and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 
 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
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 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Not very many since not many people are on iOS 6 any more. They said during
the presentation that 90% of all iPhone users are on iOS 7.


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It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.

Rh.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features

we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I 
can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

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mehg...@icloud.com




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Re: iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread Michael McKay
Hello Joseph, and also others on the list who are wondering about this question 
concerning a carrying case for eye devices.

I've been using the iPhone five for almost a year and a half to two years. I 
find the OtterBox defender carrying case which clips to a holster or belt clip 
holster that I could wear around my waist. It is the strongest case that I have 
had in a while, and there is a lifetime warranty on the cases.

I think you might be able to acquire one from a store or you could probably 
send to OtterBox manufacturers themselves, and they might be able to have one 
or send you one for your device. A friend of mine has an OtterBox defender case 
for his iPad mini. That is why I was mentioning it they might have one for the 
device that you have. Hope this helps.

All the best!

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Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:25, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I 
 can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?
 
 For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing, 
 whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally 
 destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to audio 
 as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is 
 that at times I forget where I have placed it.
 
 Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've 
 forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened so 
 far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once 
 carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in my 
 back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as someone 
 engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I went 
 to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket 
 and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.
 
 I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case 
 one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and 
 iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame 
 and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a 
 search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS 
 devices on car windshields.
 
 Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.
 
 Sorry for the long post, Smile.
 
 Joseph the free tech guy!
 
 
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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hello Haya,

As Christopher pointed out, mid to late September is usually the time frame.
Basically, iOS 8 is typically released a few days before new iPhones will
ship and within a week or so after the September keynote when the new phones
are announced. If Apple follows the pattern they established over the last 3
or so  years the announcement will be during the second week of September
with the new phones shipping 10 or so days later.

I never did believe the rumours which briefly circulated on the list about
an iPhone 6 getting announced yesterday. For the main part there is no way
they could have kept an imminent announcement of a new phone so quiet. Apart
from some pictures which are supposed of the new iPhone nothing much is out
yet.

If I hear anything as to whether Hebrew will be included in iOS 8 I'll let
you know.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.* 
straight up to 8.*.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features

we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I 
can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

--
Have a great day,
Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.com




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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Sandratomkins
Well, my iPhone for is still running version 6X. I seem to remember noting that 
version eight will not be available for the four. So, I will leave before 
running that version. Why? Because it holds the battery power much more 
efficiently than version 7X. Also, because I like to do the online cryptic 
crossword with the guardian and this is simply not possible with more recent 
updates to I OS.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

 On 3 Jun 2014, at 16:06, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Not very many since not many people are on iOS 6 any more. They said during
 the presentation that 90% of all iPhone users are on iOS 7.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of RobH.
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:56 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility features
 
 we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so I 
 can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
 Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
 Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
 from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Thank you Michael for your contribution, but like I described in my original 
post, I'm looking for a type of Velcro or stick on holder for my iDevice 
which can be placed somewhere permanently and away from me.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Michael McKay mgmckay1...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: iDevice holder


Hello Joseph, and also others on the list who are wondering about this 
question concerning a carrying case for eye devices.

I've been using the iPhone five for almost a year and a half to two years. I 
find the OtterBox defender carrying case which clips to a holster or belt 
clip holster that I could wear around my waist. It is the strongest case 
that I have had in a while, and there is a lifetime warranty on the cases.

I think you might be able to acquire one from a store or you could probably 
send to OtterBox manufacturers themselves, and they might be able to have 
one or send you one for your device. A friend of mine has an OtterBox 
defender case for his iPad mini. That is why I was mentioning it they might 
have one for the device that you have. Hope this helps.

All the best!

Michael G. McKay BA, '05.
EMAIL: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:25, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I
 can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?

 For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing,
 whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally
 destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to 
 audio
 as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is
 that at times I forget where I have placed it.

 Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've
 forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened 
 so
 far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once
 carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in 
 my
 back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as 
 someone
 engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I 
 went
 to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket
 and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.

 I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case
 one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and
 iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame
 and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a
 search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS
 devices on car windshields.

 Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.

 Sorry for the long post, Smile.

 Joseph the free tech guy!


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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be fabulous. I 
can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.

Teresa

We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of it, 
 especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used in commerce 
 or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to make or correct my 
 own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.
 
 But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the simplest 
 grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave access to the 
 common-obscure characters - / and a few others we never used in ordinary 
 writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and links all the time now.
 If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!  - for 
 it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as many 
 non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head round.
 Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
 E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
 You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the whole 
 extended character set.
 
 But we'll see!
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I probably 
 would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just me, though.
 
 Teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing 
 really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of 
 words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words at 
 one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to 
 review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement 
 this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many 
 Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the 
 day when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards.
 
 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of 
 one app now can access information from other apps which previously was 
 not possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use 
 voices you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not 
 sure if this is actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that 
 way.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 .
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Kliphton ---
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the 
 beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
 Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
 Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
 from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread BBS
I know I've said this a million times, but did they in their keynote talk
about any plans to bring iTunes Radio here to Canada? I still haven't gotten
it.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be fabulous. I
can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.

Teresa

We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of 
 it, especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used 
 in commerce or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to 
 make or correct my own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.
 
 But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the 
 simplest grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave 
 access to the common-obscure characters - / and a few others we 
 never used in ordinary writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and
links all the time now.
 If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!  
 - for it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as 
 many non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head
round.
 Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
 E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
 You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the 
 whole extended character set.
 
 But we'll see!
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I 
 probably would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just
me, though.
 
 Teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type 
 thing really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the 
 selection of words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to 
 see 4 or 5 words at one glance and to quickly tap one and it's 
 another thing if you have to review the words with Voiceover. I have 
 no idea how Apple will implement this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't 
 jump with joy quite yet and for many Fleksy is a favourite and all of 
 those who use have been longing for the day when Apple would allow system
wide access to third-party keyboards.
 
 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as 
 developers of one app now can access information from other apps 
 which previously was not possible. I assume this means potentially 
 different apps could use voices you bought, for example, in Voice 
 Dreamreader. Of course I'm not sure if this is actually the case, but 
 it sounds like it could work that way.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 .
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Kliphton ---
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more On 
 Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have 
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know 
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as 
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of 
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a 
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard 
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
For that matter, you could get a leather holder and velcro it somewhere. I've 
never heard of a holder with a stand or any such thing. Or you could get a 
charging dock.

Teresa

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
dark to read.--Groucho Marx

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Michael for your contribution, but like I described in my original 
 post, I'm looking for a type of Velcro or stick on holder for my iDevice 
 which can be placed somewhere permanently and away from me.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Michael McKay mgmckay1...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:09 AM
 Subject: Re: iDevice holder
 
 
 Hello Joseph, and also others on the list who are wondering about this 
 question concerning a carrying case for eye devices.
 
 I've been using the iPhone five for almost a year and a half to two years. I 
 find the OtterBox defender carrying case which clips to a holster or belt 
 clip holster that I could wear around my waist. It is the strongest case 
 that I have had in a while, and there is a lifetime warranty on the cases.
 
 I think you might be able to acquire one from a store or you could probably 
 send to OtterBox manufacturers themselves, and they might be able to have 
 one or send you one for your device. A friend of mine has an OtterBox 
 defender case for his iPad mini. That is why I was mentioning it they might 
 have one for the device that you have. Hope this helps.
 
 All the best!
 
 Michael G. McKay BA, '05.
 EMAIL: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:25, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I
 can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?
 
 For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing,
 whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally
 destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to 
 audio
 as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is
 that at times I forget where I have placed it.
 
 Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've
 forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened 
 so
 far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once
 carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in 
 my
 back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as 
 someone
 engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I 
 went
 to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket
 and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.
 
 I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case
 one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and
 iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame
 and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a
 search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS
 devices on car windshields.
 
 Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.
 
 Sorry for the long post, Smile.
 
 Joseph the free tech guy!
 
 
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iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
Is there such a thing?

Thanks,
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Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread peter
nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx


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re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread todd patkus

Ask Apple.


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Date sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:45:47 -0700
Subject: iOS 8 Public Beta?



Is there such a thing?



Thanks,
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Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread isaac
No there is not a public beta for iOS.
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On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:51 AM, todd patkus tpat...@shellworld.net wrote:

 Ask Apple.
 
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:45:47 -0700
 Subject: iOS 8 Public Beta?
 
 Is there such a thing?
 
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi Teresa,

If I have my braile display turned on before I unlock the screen, I can enter 
my passcode in braille now. That's with a Focus 40 Blue. I assume you've tried, 
but thought I'd mention it in case you haven't tried.

Best,
Anna



On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be fabulous. I 
 can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.
 
 Teresa
   
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of it, 
 especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used in commerce 
 or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to make or correct my 
 own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.
 
 But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the simplest 
 grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave access to the 
 common-obscure characters - / and a few others we never used in ordinary 
 writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and links all the time now.
 If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!  - for 
 it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as many 
 non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head round.
 Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
 E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
 You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the whole 
 extended character set.
 
 But we'll see!
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I probably 
 would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just me, though.
 
 Teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing 
 really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of 
 words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words at 
 one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to 
 review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement 
 this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many 
 Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the 
 day when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards.
 
 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of 
 one app now can access information from other apps which previously was 
 not possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use 
 voices you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not 
 sure if this is actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that 
 way.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 .
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Kliphton ---
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the 
 beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for 
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on 
 Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes, 
 Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears, 
 from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8 
 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Cheryl Homiak
You can put the password in with your braille display but you have to have 
contractions off and I think it matters whether eight-dot is on or off too but 
I can't remember which way it has to be. You should hear a sound shortly after 
you hit the power button to unlock and braille from the unlock screen should be 
visible on your display; then you just go to the password field if necessary 
and type in your passcode. If it doesn't work, I immediately do a chord-g 
because it usually means I have contractions on. But I remember also that at 
one time I had problems with this and all passwords because of the way 
eight-dot was toggled.




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 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears! 
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)


 On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa,
 
 If I have my braile display turned on before I unlock the screen, I can enter 
 my passcode in braille now. That's with a Focus 40 Blue. I assume you've 
 tried, but thought I'd mention it in case you haven't tried.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be fabulous. I 
 can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.
 
 Teresa

 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of it, 
 especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used in 
 commerce 
 or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to make or correct 
 my 
 own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.
 
 But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the simplest 
 grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave access to the 
 common-obscure characters - / and a few others we never used in ordinary 
 writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and links all the time now.
 If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!  - for 
 it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as many 
 non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head round.
 Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
 E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
 You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the whole 
 extended character set.
 
 But we'll see!
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I probably 
 would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just me, though.
 
 Teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing 
 really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of 
 words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words at 
 one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to 
 review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement 
 this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many 
 Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the 
 day when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards.
 
 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of 
 one app now can access information from other apps which previously was 
 not possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use 
 voices you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not 
 sure if this is actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that 
 way.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 .
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Kliphton ---
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the 
 beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread RobH.
File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't 
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:
 Hello,

 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.

 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.

 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com





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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread RobH.
Coo, a 4 had better be left with that, 8 would probably terminally cripple 
it.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Well, my iPhone for is still running version 6X. I seem to remember noting 
that version eight will not be available for the four. So, I will leave 
before running that version. Why? Because it holds the battery power much 
more efficiently than version 7X. Also, because I like to do the online 
cryptic crossword with the guardian and this is simply not possible with 
more recent updates to I OS.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

 On 3 Jun 2014, at 16:06, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Not very many since not many people are on iOS 6 any more. They said 
 during
 the presentation that 90% of all iPhone users are on iOS 7.


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 Of RobH.
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:56 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.

 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features

 we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so 
 I
 can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on
 Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes,
 Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears,
 from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8
 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com




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Re: iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread RobH.
Otterbox and a few others provide a belt clip or holster type thing which 
might do what you want.
- Original Message - 
From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: iDevice holder


Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I
can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?

For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing,
whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally
destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to audio
as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is
that at times I forget where I have placed it.

Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've
forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened so
far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once
carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in my
back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as someone
engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I went
to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket
and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.

I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case
one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and
iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame
and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a
search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS
devices on car windshields.

Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.

Sorry for the long post, Smile.

Joseph the free tech guy!


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Re: iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread RobH.
Ok, I also know that lanyards have been mentioned, so you could just hang it 
up!

I usually keep special places for them - particular place on a window cill, 
and just put it there.
- Original Message - 
From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: iDevice holder


Thank you Michael for your contribution, but like I described in my original
post, I'm looking for a type of Velcro or stick on holder for my iDevice
which can be placed somewhere permanently and away from me.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Michael McKay mgmckay1...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: iDevice holder


Hello Joseph, and also others on the list who are wondering about this
question concerning a carrying case for eye devices.

I've been using the iPhone five for almost a year and a half to two years. I
find the OtterBox defender carrying case which clips to a holster or belt
clip holster that I could wear around my waist. It is the strongest case
that I have had in a while, and there is a lifetime warranty on the cases.

I think you might be able to acquire one from a store or you could probably
send to OtterBox manufacturers themselves, and they might be able to have
one or send you one for your device. A friend of mine has an OtterBox
defender case for his iPad mini. That is why I was mentioning it they might
have one for the device that you have. Hope this helps.

All the best!

Michael G. McKay BA, '05.
EMAIL: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:25, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I
 can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?

 For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing,
 whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally
 destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to
 audio
 as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is
 that at times I forget where I have placed it.

 Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've
 forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened
 so
 far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once
 carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in
 my
 back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as
 someone
 engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I
 went
 to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket
 and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.

 I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case
 one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and
 iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame
 and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a
 search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS
 devices on car windshields.

 Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.

 Sorry for the long post, Smile.

 Joseph the free tech guy!


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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

My passcode is letters, so I can have Grade 2 on. If your passcode is numbers, 
you would need to type them in Grade 2 if contracted braille is on, computer 
braille if Contracted braille is off and 8-dot mode is on, or Grade 1 if 
Contracted braille is off and 8-dot mode is off.

Best,
Anna



On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 You can put the password in with your braille display but you have to have 
 contractions off and I think it matters whether eight-dot is on or off too 
 but I can't remember which way it has to be. You should hear a sound shortly 
 after you hit the power button to unlock and braille from the unlock screen 
 should be visible on your display; then you just go to the password field if 
 necessary and type in your passcode. If it doesn't work, I immediately do a 
 chord-g because it usually means I have contractions on. But I remember also 
 that at one time I had problems with this and all passwords because of the 
 way eight-dot was toggled.
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears! 
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa,
 
 If I have my braile display turned on before I unlock the screen, I can 
 enter my passcode in braille now. That's with a Focus 40 Blue. I assume 
 you've tried, but thought I'd mention it in case you haven't tried.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be fabulous. I 
 can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.
 
 Teresa

 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of it, 
 especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used in 
 commerce 
 or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to make or correct 
 my 
 own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.
 
 But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the simplest 
 grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave access to the 
 common-obscure characters - / and a few others we never used in ordinary 
 writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and links all the time now.
 If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!  - 
 for 
 it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as many 
 non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head round.
 Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
 E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
 You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the whole 
 extended character set.
 
 But we'll see!
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I probably 
 would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just me, 
 though.
 
 Teresa
 
 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing 
 really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of 
 words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words 
 at 
 one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to 
 review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement 
 this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many 
 Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the 
 day when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards.
 
 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of 
 one app now can access information from other apps which previously was 
 not possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use 
 voices you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not 
 sure if this is actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that 
 way.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 .
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf 
 Of Kliphton ---
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
 On Jun 2, 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
We need to remember that a lot can change between now and the fall. I
am excited to see some of what they talked about yesterday. This looks
like it will be a much more worthwhile update than 7 was even though I
liked the 7 update.

On 6/3/14, todd patkus tpat...@shellworld.net wrote:
 If you feel strong that Apple does not provide such, go contact
 them directly and complain to them.  That is all I can tell you.

 - Original Message -
From: RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:08:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why
 Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have
 used the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a
 monumental
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a
 great
improvement.  There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears
 we
will not be getting.  First, the ability to install other voices
 and use
them system wide.  Each person has their own voice preferences,
 but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used
 with one
application.  The other feature I wish we would have gotten is
 file
management.  As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where
 copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:
 Hello,

 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for,
 does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear
 not.

 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the
 Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important
 messages.  All
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group
 messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to
 iOS 8 but
 ...

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf
 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 No just the Fall.  If it's like previous years mid September.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from
 iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.

 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8
 accessibility
 features we know so far.  This is from the Keynote - I don't
 even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't
 know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look
 like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy
 as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take
 advantage of
 this.  Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS
 when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the
 standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting
 release!

 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com





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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Joseph FreeTech
When using handwriting to enter a PIN, I find it very useful to exaggerate 
the distinctive features of a number. For example, I type the 7 as a 
90Degree angle beginning from left to right then down. I type the number 4 
backwards--beginning from the bottom up then down to draw the angle and 
sharp corners.

I generally draw letters as squarely or blockish as possible. For 
example, the letter U looks like a square with the top missing. The letter H 
is equally as blockish.

If you can get into the habit of drawing the following letters as blockish 
as possible, you will find your writing speed will increase:
c, f, h, j, n, t, u.

In some cases, I find I get better results when typing capital letters such 
as an upper case T rather than lower case t. I should also Note that if the 
rotor is set to lower case, when one types a letter as a capital, it will 
still be entered as a lower case letter. It is for this reason I suggest 
experimenting to determine what form of the letter is easiest and fastest to 
draw. I've now found I rarely use the on-screen keyboard as handwriting is 
much faster. Smile.

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be fabulous. I 
can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.

Teresa

We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of it,
 especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used in 
 commerce
 or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to make or correct 
 my
 own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.

 But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the simplest
 grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave access to the
 common-obscure characters - / and a few others we never used in ordinary
 writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and links all the time now.
 If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!  - 
 for
 it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as many
 non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head round.
 Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
 E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
 You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the whole
 extended character set.

 But we'll see!

 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I probably
 would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just me, 
 though.

 Teresa

 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham

 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type thing
 really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the selection of
 words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 5 words 
 at
 one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you have to
 review the words with Voiceover. I have no idea how Apple will implement
 this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and for many
 Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing for the
 day when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party keyboards.

 This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as developers of
 one app now can access information from other apps which previously was
 not possible. I assume this means potentially different apps could use
 voices you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader. Of course I'm not
 sure if this is actually the case, but it sounds like it could work that
 way.

 Regards,
 Sieghard
 .

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of Kliphton ---
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the
 beta, so I can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said 
 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread todd patkus
If you feel strong that Apple does not provide such, go contact 
them directly and complain to them.  That is all I can tell you.



- Original Message -
From: RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:08:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why 

Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have 

used the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a 

monumental

and long-overdue benefit.



JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a 

great
improvement.  There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears 

we
will not be getting.  First, the ability to install other voices 

and use
them system wide.  Each person has their own voice preferences, 

but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used 

with one
application.  The other feature I wish we would have gotten is 

file
management.  As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where 

copying

and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:

Hello,


I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, 

does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear 

not.

I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the 

Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important 

messages.  All

I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group 

messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to 

iOS 8 but

...



Mark



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 

On Behalf

Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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No just the Fall.  If it's like previous years mid September.



Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu



On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:

Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?



Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from 

iOs 6.*

straight up to 8.*.



Rh.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8




Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 

accessibility
features we know so far.  This is from the Keynote - I don't 

even have

the beta, so I can't break an NDA.



* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't 

know

for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look 

like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy 

as
said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take 

advantage of
this.  Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS 

when a

keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!


That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the 

standard
iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting 

release!


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Re: 5s cases

2014-06-03 Thread Steve
The Otterbox for the 5S is good and allows you to use the finger print ID. 
The home button is exposed.



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Hello all. I received an iPhone 5s. Can anyone recommend any good cases? I 
had an OtterBox case for my 4S but want  good protection as well as the 
ability to use the fingerprint ID.


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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread todd patkus

Hello, Anna,

I never bother any such but always use computer Braille in 8 dot 
mode, since it works best in many applications.  I have no reason 
to bother using grade II.  That is it.


Todd


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Date sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 11:19:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



Hi,


My passcode is letters, so I can have Grade 2 on.  If your 
passcode is numbers, you would need to type them in Grade 2 if 
contracted braille is on, computer braille if Contracted braille 
is off and 8-dot mode is on, or Grade 1 if Contracted braille is 
off and 8-dot mode is off.



Best,
Anna




On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 

wrote:

You can put the password in with your braille display but you 
have to have contractions off and I think it matters whether 
eight-dot is on or off too but I can't remember which way it has 
to be.  You should hear a sound shortly after you hit the power 
button to unlock and braille from the unlock screen should be 
visible on your display; then you just go to the password field 
if necessary and type in your passcode.  If it doesn't work, I 
immediately do a chord-g because it usually means I have 
contractions on.  But I remember also that at one time I had 
problems with this and all passwords because of the way eight-dot 
was toggled.






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On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Woody Anna Dresner 

wadres...@att.net wrote:


Hi Teresa,


If I have my braile display turned on before I unlock the 
screen, I can enter my passcode in braille now.  That's with a 
Focus 40 Blue.  I assume you've tried, but thought I'd mention it 
in case you haven't tried.



Best,
Anna




On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com 

wrote:

Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be 

fabulous.  I can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.


Teresa



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On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH.  bobs...@googlemail.com 

wrote:

Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption 

of it,
especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used 

in commerce
or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to make 

or correct my

own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.


But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just 

the simplest
grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave access 

to the
common-obscure characters - / and a few others we never used 

in ordinary
writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and links all the 

time now.
If escape sequences get used - press this before you press 

that!  - for
it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as 

many
non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head 

round..
Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a 

basis.
E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and 

interpret it..
You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of 

the whole

extended character set.



But we'll see!



RobH.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
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I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I 

probably
would turn it off if that turns out to be an option.  That's 

just me, though.


Teresa



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On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca 

wrote:

I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick 

Type thing
really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the 

selection of
words presented.  It' one thing for a sighted person to see 4 or 

5 words at
one glance and to quickly tap one and it's another thing if you 

have to
review the words with Voiceover.  I have no idea how Apple will 

implement
this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't jump with joy quite yet and 

for many
Fleksy is a favourite and all of those who use have been longing 

for the
day when Apple would allow system wide access to third-party 

keyboards.

This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as 

developers of
one app now can access information from other apps which 

previously was
not possible.  I assume this means potentially different apps 

could use
voices you bought, for example, in Voice Dreamreader.  Of course 

I'm not
sure if this is actually the case, but it sounds 

Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
Done that. :)

Thanks,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, peter peter.durieux1...@gmail.com wrote:

 nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 08:45:47AM -0700, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Is there such a thing?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
This reminds me that I have a bookshelf in the living room that I keep my iPod 
on when I'm not using it. This way, it's always handy in case I need it, but 
it's out of the way, as well.

HtH,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:19 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Ok, I also know that lanyards have been mentioned, so you could just hang it 
 up!
 
 I usually keep special places for them - particular place on a window cill, 
 and just put it there.
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 4:34 PM
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 Thank you Michael for your contribution, but like I described in my original
 post, I'm looking for a type of Velcro or stick on holder for my iDevice
 which can be placed somewhere permanently and away from me.
 
 Joseph
 
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 From: Michael McKay mgmckay1...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:09 AM
 Subject: Re: iDevice holder
 
 
 Hello Joseph, and also others on the list who are wondering about this
 question concerning a carrying case for eye devices.
 
 I've been using the iPhone five for almost a year and a half to two years. I
 find the OtterBox defender carrying case which clips to a holster or belt
 clip holster that I could wear around my waist. It is the strongest case
 that I have had in a while, and there is a lifetime warranty on the cases.
 
 I think you might be able to acquire one from a store or you could probably
 send to OtterBox manufacturers themselves, and they might be able to have
 one or send you one for your device. A friend of mine has an OtterBox
 defender case for his iPad mini. That is why I was mentioning it they might
 have one for the device that you have. Hope this helps.
 
 All the best!
 
 Michael G. McKay BA, '05.
 EMAIL: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I
 can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?
 
 For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing,
 whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally
 destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to
 audio
 as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is
 that at times I forget where I have placed it.
 
 Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've
 forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened
 so
 far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once
 carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in
 my
 back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as
 someone
 engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I
 went
 to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket
 and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.
 
 I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case
 one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and
 iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame
 and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a
 search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS
 devices on car windshields.
 
 Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.
 
 Sorry for the long post, Smile.
 
 Joseph the free tech guy!
 
 
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Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread Dennis Long
how do you participate in the public beta if you want to?  I don't have a 
ios device yet but strongly thinking about getting one.
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Done that. :)

Thanks,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, peter peter.durieux1...@gmail.com wrote:


nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx


On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 08:45:47AM -0700, Teresa Cochran wrote:

Is there such a thing?

Thanks,
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Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
As was already discussed you can't. They don't have one.

On 6/3/14, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 how do you participate in the public beta if you want to?  I don't have a
 ios device yet but strongly thinking about getting one.
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 Done that. :)

 Thanks,
 Teresa

 Slow down; you'll get there faster.

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, peter peter.durieux1...@gmail.com wrote:

 nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx


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Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread Dennis Long

when it becomes available how would you access it?
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Done that. :)

Thanks,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

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nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx


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Is there such a thing?

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Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread Isaac Hebert
Go to settings general and software update.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 when it becomes available how would you access it?
 - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?
 
 
 Done that. :)
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, peter peter.durieux1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 08:45:47AM -0700, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Is there such a thing?
 
 Thanks,
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RE: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread Tristan
The only OS that's getting public beta's is OS X. iOS is still going by the
traditional seed to developers first thing. Public betas have never shown in
software update.

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Go to settings general and software update.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 when it becomes available how would you access it?
 - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?
 
 
 Done that. :)
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, peter peter.durieux1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 08:45:47AM -0700, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Is there such a thing?
 
 Thanks,
 teresa
 
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RE: iDevice holder

2014-06-03 Thread SSEric
Joseph, I would suggest a simple plastic case and some magnetic tape.

Or, I just got a fun product off Amazon from IPlush. It is a stuffed Teddy
bear. In one of the legs is a speaker that feels much like a spool of
thread. It has a 3.5 jack on a short cord to plug into the earphone port of
your phone/touch. It also charges via USB and is supposed to have a battery
life of 6 hours. There doesn't appear to be an on/off switch, so I am
guessing when it is plugged into the phone/touch it is running off battery
for amplification. It really sounds quite good. In the back of the stuffed
animal is a square formed with a wire sewn into the fur you slip the
phone/touch into.

I don't have a direct link, but check for IPlush on Amazon. It was about
$10. I think there were two models of bears and different ones for Iphone
4/4S and 5/5S.

If I can give anyone anymore information, give me a shout:

sseri...@gmail.com



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Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows of a type of small discreet holder where I 
can place my iPod Touch when I'm not carrying it?

For example, when I'm in the kitchen busy cooking, cleaning, washing, 
whatever, I like placing my iDevice away from me so I don't accidentally 
destroy it. Placing it away from me also makes it easier to listen to audio 
as the speaker isn't muffled the times it is in my pocket. The problem is 
that at times I forget where I have placed it.

Like I've said, I can simply place the iDevice on a counter, but I've 
forgotten it was on the counter and luckily nothing serious has happened so 
far when knocking it off of the counter. I do have to admit that I once 
carried lots of stuff from one room to another so placed my iPod touch in my

back pocket thinking I could not possibly forget it, but as soon as someone 
engaged me in conversation, I forgot I had the thing in my pocket and I went

to sit down. luckily I quickly remembered the device was in my back pocket 
and quickly got up to check for a cracked screen and alike. Smile.

I guess I'm asking if anyone here has purchased or knows of a type of case 
one can stick to the side of a refrigerator or cabinet which can hold and 
iPhone or iPod touch. I'd also like to stick one of these to my bed frame 
and alike for equally quick access to my iDevice. I've tried running a 
search on Amazon.com, but all I've found was those cases used to place GPS 
devices on car windshields.

Would appreciate any ideas the list can provide.

Sorry for the long post, Smile.

Joseph the free tech guy!


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Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?

2014-06-03 Thread isaac
I wasn't referring to public betas. I was saying when the full release comes 
out then it will appear in software update.  
isaac
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 Skype gold_wildcat 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:

 The only OS that's getting public beta's is OS X. iOS is still going by the
 traditional seed to developers first thing. Public betas have never shown in
 software update.
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:30 PM
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 Go to settings general and software update.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 when it becomes available how would you access it?
 - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS 8 Public Beta?
 
 
 Done that. :)
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, peter peter.durieux1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 nope, there will be a public beta program in the summer for osx
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 08:45:47AM -0700, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Is there such a thing?
 
 Thanks,
 teresa
 
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Alex Hall
With iCloud Drive, you will (sort of) have what you are looking for. As I 
understand it, you can browse your iCloud Drive from any compatible app, 
including all the folders therein. Once an app supports iCloud in iOS8, that 
functionality is there. Plus, all apps will be browsing the same drive, so 
there is no worrying about having a separate copy of a file in each app.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:08 PM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't 
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...
 
 Mark
 
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 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 
 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.
 
 Rh.
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

iTunes Radio wasn't even mentioned in the Keynote. So my guess is no.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 03/06/2014 16:41, BBS wrote:

I know I've said this a million times, but did they in their keynote talk
about any plans to bring iTunes Radio here to Canada? I still haven't gotten
it.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

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Braille for entering the passcode to unlock the screen would be fabulous. I
can't seem to be accurate enough with handwriting.

Teresa

We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:20 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


Word prediction: That is me too, can never stand the presumption of
it, especially if you're trying to do contrived words like some used
in commerce or advertising and the like, plays on words.  I prefer to
make or correct my own mistakes, the only way to learn to do it right.

But easy braille input would be a serious boon,  even if just the
simplest grade1, so long as it was sufficiently standard and gave
access to the common-obscure characters - / and a few others we
never used in ordinary writing at shcool, but turn up in Net text and

links all the time now.

If escape sequences get used - press this before you press that!
- for it to be at least consistent; 101 different escape codes for as
many non-alphaNumerics is an awful overhead to try and get one's head

round.

Struth, even programming code like C and Pascal had that as a basis.
E.g: \ meant use the next symbol literally, not try and interpret it.
You can see,  state it once, and right away you have a grasp of the
whole extended character set.

But we'll see!

RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


I don't like autocorrect or any sort of predictive typing, so I
probably would turn it off if that turns out to be an option. That's just

me, though.


Teresa

The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham

On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:


I think we all have to wait and see how efficient this Quick Type
thing really is and how quickly a Voiceover user can pick from the
selection of words presented. It' one thing for a sighted person to
see 4 or 5 words at one glance and to quickly tap one and it's
another thing if you have to review the words with Voiceover. I have
no idea how Apple will implement this with Voiceover, but I wouldn't
jump with joy quite yet and for many Fleksy is a favourite and all of
those who use have been longing for the day when Apple would allow system

wide access to third-party keyboards.


This and Apple's extensibility is quite a game changer as
developers of one app now can access information from other apps
which previously was not possible. I assume this means potentially
different apps could use voices you bought, for example, in Voice
Dreamreader. Of course I'm not sure if this is actually the case, but
it sounds like it could work that way.

Regards,
Sieghard
.

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Behalf Of Kliphton ---
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more On
Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

--
Have a great day,
Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.com





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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Was there a space limit for free storage with this? Any indication of pricing 
for greater storage, if necessary?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

With iCloud Drive, you will (sort of) have what you are looking for. As I 
understand it, you can browse your iCloud Drive from any compatible app, 
including all the folders therein. Once an app supports iCloud in iOS8, that 
functionality is there. Plus, all apps will be browsing the same drive, so 
there is no worrying about having a separate copy of a file in each app.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:08 PM, RobH. 
bobs...@googlemail.commailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.netmailto:n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:

Hello,


I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.


I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All
I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
...


Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.eduhttp://www.hadley.edu


On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:

Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?


Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. 
bobs...@googlemail.commailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.


Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.commailto:mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8



Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.


* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!


That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!


--
Have a great day,
Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.commailto:mehg...@icloud.com






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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

Something like 5 GB free, 20 GB for $1/month and so on up to 1 TB.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 03/06/2014 19:24, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:

Was there a space limit for free storage with this? Any indication of pricing 
for greater storage, if necessary?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

With iCloud Drive, you will (sort of) have what you are looking for. As I 
understand it, you can browse your iCloud Drive from any compatible app, 
including all the folders therein. Once an app supports iCloud in iOS8, that 
functionality is there. Plus, all apps will be browsing the same drive, so 
there is no worrying about having a separate copy of a file in each app.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:08 PM, RobH. 
bobs...@googlemail.commailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.netmailto:n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:

Hello,


I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.


I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All
I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
...


Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.eduhttp://www.hadley.edu


On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:

Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?


Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. 
bobs...@googlemail.commailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.


Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.commailto:mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8



Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.


* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!


That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!


--
Have a great day,
Alex Hall
mehg...@icloud.commailto:mehg...@icloud.com






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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Alex Hall
Chris is right. We know that 200gb is $4 per month, but pricing fir tiers 
beyond that was not announced. Also, the new pricing is not yet available as 
far as I know; I expect it to come out alongside the iOS/OS x releases, but 
that is only my guess.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Something like 5 GB free, 20 GB for $1/month and so on up to 1 TB.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu
 
 On 03/06/2014 19:24, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
 Was there a space limit for free storage with this? Any indication of 
 pricing for greater storage, if necessary?
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 With iCloud Drive, you will (sort of) have what you are looking for. As I 
 understand it, you can browse your iCloud Drive from any compatible app, 
 including all the folders therein. Once an app supports iCloud in iOS8, that 
 functionality is there. Plus, all apps will be browsing the same drive, so 
 there is no worrying about having a separate copy of a file in each app.
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:08 PM, RobH. 
 bobs...@googlemail.commailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.netmailto:n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 
 Hello,
 
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...
 
 
 Mark
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind 
 www.hadley.eduhttp://www.hadley.edu
 
 
 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?
 
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. 
 bobs...@googlemail.commailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.
 
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.commailto:mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.commailto:mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --
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Re: Voice over and languages

2014-06-03 Thread Cornelius
I am sure british english can handle the mail I am trying to read, since it is 
in english. However, maybe due to the language tag, it switches to some other 
language voice. Any way to avoid auto language detection? 

From: David Chittenden 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voice over and languages

When the languages is set on default language, a different language tag causes 
VO to switch to the different language. Place at least one additional language 
in the rotor. Turn the rotor to language. Flick from default language to the 
same language in the rotor. Now, everything will be spoken in the language 
chosen, if said language can handle the material. If not, the material will be 
skipped. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Jun 2014, at 6:39, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:


  Hi all, Have been using iPhone for a couple of weeks now. 
  I notice that sometimes when reading certain text, voice over will switch to 
other languages although the text is in english. I am using British english and 
it is set as the default dialect in the VO settings. I have also deleted other 
languages in the roter, but this does not solve the problem. 
  Can anyone guide me to set the voices so it won’t jump when reading? 

  Thanks.
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Re: Voice over and languages

2014-06-03 Thread David Chittenden
Um, did you read the message you replied to, or was my explanation unclear?

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 4 Jun 2014, at 7:01, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am sure british english can handle the mail I am trying to read, since it 
 is in english. However, maybe due to the language tag, it switches to some 
 other language voice. Any way to avoid auto language detection?
  
 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Voice over and languages
  
 When the languages is set on default language, a different language tag 
 causes VO to switch to the different language. Place at least one additional 
 language in the rotor. Turn the rotor to language. Flick from default 
 language to the same language in the rotor. Now, everything will be spoken in 
 the language chosen, if said language can handle the material. If not, the 
 material will be skipped. 
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 3 Jun 2014, at 6:39, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all, Have been using iPhone for a couple of weeks now.
 I notice that sometimes when reading certain text, voice over will switch to 
 other languages although the text is in english. I am using British english 
 and it is set as the default dialect in the VO settings. I have also deleted 
 other languages in the roter, but this does not solve the problem.
 Can anyone guide me to set the voices so it won’t jump when reading?
  
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Re: Voice over and languages

2014-06-03 Thread todd patkus

All:

If this problem continues, you should contact Apple directly and 
tell them how you feel.  I do not think it is appropriate for 
Apple to leave like this.  Apple needs to listen to folks with 
this particular problem!





- Original Message -
From: Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 03:01:10 +0800
Subject: Re: Voice over and languages


I am sure british english can handle the mail I am trying to 
read, since it is in english.  However, maybe due to the language 
tag, it switches to some other language voice.  Any way to avoid 
auto language detection?



From: David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice over and languages


When the languages is set on default language, a different 
language tag causes VO to switch to the different language.  
Place at least one additional language in the rotor.  Turn the 
rotor to language.  Flick from default language to the same 
language in the rotor.  Now, everything will be spoken in the 
language chosen, if said language can handle the material.  If 
not, the material will be skipped.



David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone



On 3 Jun 2014, at 6:39, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:




 Hi all, Have been using iPhone for a couple of weeks now.
 I notice that sometimes when reading certain text, voice over 
will switch to other languages although the text is in english.  
I am using British english and it is set as the default dialect 
in the VO settings.  I have also deleted other languages in the 
roter, but this does not solve the problem.
 Can anyone guide me to set the voices so it wonâ EURO (tm)t jump when 

reading?


 Thanks.
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Airdrop between iPad ini and iPhone 5 unreliable anyone else see this?

2014-06-03 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
Hi all,

Subject says it all.
I have airdrop turned on on both devices set to anyone to make sure there's no 
confusion. Both bluetooth and wifi are on on both devices and often the 
recipient for air-drop does not show up.
It sometimes work but hit and miss.
Is this normal bug?
Latest ios version on both devices.

Thanks,

Ioana 



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IClean

2014-06-03 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
It looks like IClean is back in the store. I say that because I just
received an update for it.

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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Mike Arrigo
As far as I know, every other operating system, both mobile and desktop 
provides this, and there is no support for mass storage or media 
transfer protocol that allows you to just transfer files between a 
computer and an I O S device.

Original message:

File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental
and long-overdue benefit.



JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8




Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:

Hello,



I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.



I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All
I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
...



Mark



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.



Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu



On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:

Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?



Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:



It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.



Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8




Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.



* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!



That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!



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RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Connie Mohney
Hello,
In this thread, Alex mentioned Flexie.  What is flexie? Thank you.
Connie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

As far as I know, every other operating system, both mobile and desktop
provides this, and there is no support for mass storage or media transfer
protocol that allows you to just transfer files between a computer and an I
O S device.
Original message:
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple 
 don't provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have 
 used the apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would 
 be a monumental and long-overdue benefit.

 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great 
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we 
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and 
 use them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but 
 at this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with 
 one application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file 
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying 
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,

 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does 
 not appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.

 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages 
 app; you know, be able to create folders so I can save important 
 messages.  All I saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads 
 in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 
 but ...

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 
 6.* straight up to 8.*.

 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even 
 have the beta, so I can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know 
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as 
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of 
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a 
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the 
 standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com





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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread RobH.
An alternative text input app.
- Original Message - 
From: Connie Mohney conniemoh...@sbcglobal.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hello,
In this thread, Alex mentioned Flexie.  What is flexie? Thank you.
Connie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

As far as I know, every other operating system, both mobile and desktop
provides this, and there is no support for mass storage or media transfer
protocol that allows you to just transfer files between a computer and an I
O S device.
Original message:
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple
 don't provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have
 used the apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would
 be a monumental and long-overdue benefit.

 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and
 use them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but
 at this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with
 one application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,

 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does
 not appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.

 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages
 app; you know, be able to create folders so I can save important
 messages.  All I saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads
 in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8
 but ...

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?

 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs
 6.* straight up to 8.*.

 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even
 have the beta, so I can't break an NDA.

 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the
 standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com





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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Alex Hall
Fleksy is a keyboard app that lets you type very quickly. It takes the 
locations you touched to enter a word and, when you swipe right, it guesses the 
word. You can therefore touch roughly where you think the proper letters would 
be, swipe right, and have the word you meant inserted. Many people really like 
it, and it has begun to be integrated into iOS apps like Blindsquare and 
Tweetings. Soon, though, it can be made into a default keyboard across the 
entire OS.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Connie Mohney conniemoh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hello,
 In this thread, Alex mentioned Flexie.  What is flexie? Thank you.
 Connie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:59 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 As far as I know, every other operating system, both mobile and desktop
 provides this, and there is no support for mass storage or media transfer
 protocol that allows you to just transfer files between a computer and an I
 O S device.
 Original message:
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple 
 don't provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have 
 used the apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would 
 be a monumental and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great 
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we 
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and 
 use them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but 
 at this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with 
 one application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file 
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying 
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does 
 not appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages 
 app; you know, be able to create folders so I can save important 
 messages.  All I saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads 
 in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 
 but ...
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 
 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 
 6.* straight up to 8.*.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even 
 have the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know 
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as 
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of 
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a 
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the 
 standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: IClean

2014-06-03 Thread janet wright

can yu tell me what this ap does please?



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message- 
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Subject: IClean

It looks like IClean is back in the store. I say that because I just
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Does the iPad mini come with a weather app, if so, mine seems to have vanished

2014-06-03 Thread Jen Colley
Hi,  
I am wondering if the native iPhone weather app comes with the iPad mini?  If 
so, mine seems to have vanished and I have no idea why as I haven’t deleted 
anything.  
How would I get it back?  
Jen  

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Re: IClean

2014-06-03 Thread Sharonda Greenlaw
I don't think it's back in the App Store. I get notifications all the
time to clean up my phone. Also, I just searched for it in the store
and could not see it.

Sharonda

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Contacts list export?r

2014-06-03 Thread Bill Holton


Sent from my iPhone hi.
Is there a way to export my iPhone or Mac contacts and put them in a format 
where I can use them to import into Outlook? Thanks.

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Re: Contacts list export?r

2014-06-03 Thread Paul Hunt
Hello Bill. Just download and install the ICloud Control Panel. It will create 
an ICloud mail box with a folder that contains your Contacts folder. When you 
make changes they are updated on all of your devices. ICloud Control Panel will 
also synch your callendars and bookmarks.

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone hi.
 Is there a way to export my iPhone or Mac contacts and put them in a format 
 where I can use them to import into Outlook? Thanks.
 
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Re: Does the iPad mini come with a weather app, if so, mine seems to have vanished

2014-06-03 Thread Joseph Hudson
No.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Jen Colley jen.col...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 I am wondering if the native iPhone weather app comes with the iPad mini?  If 
 so, mine seems to have vanished and I have no idea why as I haven’t deleted 
 anything. 
 How would I get it back? 
 Jen 
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Re: Voice over and languages

2014-06-03 Thread David Chittenden
Read the message previous to the message you reply to. The solution to that 
issue is explained there.

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Sent from my iPhone

 On 4 Jun 2014, at 7:25, todd patkus tpat...@shellworld.net wrote:
 
 All:
 
 If this problem continues, you should contact Apple directly and tell them 
 how you feel.  I do not think it is appropriate for Apple to leave like this. 
  Apple needs to listen to folks with this particular problem!
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 03:01:10 +0800
 Subject: Re: Voice over and languages
 
 I am sure british english can handle the mail I am trying to 
 read, since it is in english.  However, maybe due to the language tag, it 
 switches to some other language voice.  Any way to avoid auto language 
 detection?
 
 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Voice over and languages
 
 When the languages is set on default language, a different 
 language tag causes VO to switch to the different language.  Place at least 
 one additional language in the rotor.  Turn the rotor to language.  Flick 
 from default language to the same language in the rotor.  Now, everything 
 will be spoken in the language chosen, if said language can handle the 
 material.  If not, the material will be skipped.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 3 Jun 2014, at 6:39, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi all, Have been using iPhone for a couple of weeks now.
 I notice that sometimes when reading certain text, voice over 
 will switch to other languages although the text is in english.  I am using 
 British english and it is set as the default dialect in the VO settings.  I 
 have also deleted other languages in the roter, but this does not solve the 
 problem.
 Can anyone guide me to set the voices so it wonâ EURO (tm)t jump when 
 reading?
 
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Re: Contacts list export?r

2014-06-03 Thread David Chittenden
If you use iTunes, this can be done automatically for you.

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Sent from my iPhone

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 Is there a way to export my iPhone or Mac contacts and put them in a format 
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fitbit flex

2014-06-03 Thread denise avant
Hi all,
I am sorry if this is a  little off topic. Is there only one  type of band for 
the fitbit flex? It seems that the two I have keep breaking in the same spot, 
basically at the joint as the band is not entirely smooth. thanks.

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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher J Chaltain
In the announcements this week, it said that IOS 8 would be supported on 
the iPhone 4S and later.


Performance improvements can always be made in an OS to keep it running 
on older hardware, take IOS 7.1.1 on the 4S for example. I suspect 
you're right though. There's not much incentive to keep improving 
performance on older hardware and there's a lot of reason to take 
advantage of the faster speeds and newer features on the newer hardware.


On 6/3/2014 11:12 AM, RobH. wrote:

Coo, a 4 had better be left with that, 8 would probably terminally cripple
it.

RobH.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Well, my iPhone for is still running version 6X. I seem to remember noting
that version eight will not be available for the four. So, I will leave
before running that version. Why? Because it holds the battery power much
more efficiently than version 7X. Also, because I like to do the online
cryptic crossword with the guardian and this is simply not possible with
more recent updates to I OS.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Jun 2014, at 16:06, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Not very many since not many people are on iOS 6 any more. They said
during
the presentation that 90% of all iPhone users are on iOS 7.


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Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.

Rh.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features

we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so
I
can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes,
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears,
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

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Re: IClean

2014-06-03 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
It deletes unnecessary files from the IPhone. I think they may have
changed the name to iDisk+ Their are a few more features but it does
the same as before as well and better.

On 6/3/14, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't think it's back in the App Store. I get notifications all the
 time to clean up my phone. Also, I just searched for it in the store
 and could not see it.

 Sharonda

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iCloud syncing and iCloud and native app

2014-06-03 Thread Regina Alvarado
I have 2 questions.

1. I don't think this is possible, but if it is I will pass on the instructions 
on how. There are 2 people I know. One wants to get a ringtone from the other. 
Can the second person put it on iCloud and can the first person sync it from 
the cloud? 

2. If I have an iCloud address, can I use it from mail just by adding it to my 
mail in settings, mail, accounts and delete a Yahoo account and use native mail 
app? Thank you for any help you can give me. I think the first is impossible 
and the second might be possible or do I need to go to iCloud on the net to set 
up?



reggie and Allegra

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Re: iCloud syncing and iCloud and native app

2014-06-03 Thread Alex Hall
1. No, iOS needs iTunes to sync ringtones. You can buy one right from a phone, 
but that is the only other way I know of.

2. Yes. Simply enable Mail, create your email address if you don't already have 
one @icloud.com, and you're done. Note that you cannot use that iCloud address 
for your Apple ID, as technically it is a new ID in its own right. I don't 
really understand how it all works, but the bottom line is you need a non-Apple 
address as your ID. Hopefully this changes in the near future.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have 2 questions.
 
 1. I don't think this is possible, but if it is I will pass on the 
 instructions on how. There are 2 people I know. One wants to get a ringtone 
 from the other. Can the second person put it on iCloud and can the first 
 person sync it from the cloud? 
 
 2. If I have an iCloud address, can I use it from mail just by adding it to 
 my mail in settings, mail, accounts and delete a Yahoo account and use native 
 mail app? Thank you for any help you can give me. I think the first is 
 impossible and the second might be possible or do I need to go to iCloud on 
 the net to set up?
 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Lange
I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be able 
to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if it were 
an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any file/folder 
management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take iTunes and shove it 
way up where the sun don't shine.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't 
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 
 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Alex Hall
Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to 
use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app 
integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what you 
are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac 
app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS to 
browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, 
imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. I 
hope I'm making sense.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be 
 able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if 
 it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any 
 file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take 
 iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't 
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 
 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hello All,

Here's a work around solution. 
On my Mac Air, I have installed Win 8 into bootcamp. I use One Drive, which is 
installed on the Win 8 side as well as the Mac side on my Mac Air and i have 
also installed the One Drive app on my iPhone 4. I have no problem accessing 
any of my files on the different platforms or on the phone. One Drive is very 
similar to Dropbox in the manner on how it works. Just a suggestion to access 
files/folders from both platforms. HTH.

Eileen


Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to 
 use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app 
 integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what you 
 are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac 
 app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS 
 to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, 
 imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. 
 I hope I'm making sense.
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be 
 able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if 
 it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any 
 file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take 
 iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple 
 don't 
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 Hello,
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Hallsworth
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 
 On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
 Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
 straight up to 8.*.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
 Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
 features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
 the beta, so I can't break an NDA.
 
 * Better Zoom
 * Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
 * multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
 * the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
 for
 sure)
 * six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
 * third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as
 said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of
 this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a
 keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!
 
 That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard
 iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher J Chaltain
I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able 
to access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only 
work on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the 
folder structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive 
and then 5G won't go very far.


I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying 
folder and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on 
Apple's part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if 
Apple were to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just 
became part of the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to 
use, more accessible and more secure device at the cost of being able to 
access the underlying file structure of the iPhone.


On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be 
able to use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That 
said, if an app integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will 
have basically what you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For 
example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in 
your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS to browse to and open that 
file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, imagine dumping 
zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. I hope 
I'm making sense.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com 
mailto:lang...@gmail.com wrote:


I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and 
to be able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my 
iPhone as if it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use 
iTunes for any file/folder management task and would dearly love to 
tell Apple to take iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com 
mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why 
Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used 
the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a 
monumental

and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net mailto:n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:

Hello,



I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.


I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the 
Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important 
messages.  All

I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 
8 but

...



Mark



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.



Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu 
http://www.hadley.edu



On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?



Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com 
mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:



It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.



Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8




Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.



* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no 

RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Neal Ewers
I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many people
would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their
device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this
intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary
personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them
a lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer
their own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad
thing. It's just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company
like Apple with all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include a
file system.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher J Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 

I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to
access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work
on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder
structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G
won't go very far.

I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder
and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's
part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were
to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of
the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible
and more secure device at the cost of being able to access the underlying
file structure of the iPhone.

On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to
use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app
integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what
you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in
a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app
on iOS to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support
iCloud Drive, imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then
opening them in VDR. I hope I'm making sense.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:





I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be
able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if
it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any
file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take
iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.  

Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't

provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:



Hello,





I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.





I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
...





Mark





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8





No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.





Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu





On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?





Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:56, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:





It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Teresa Cochran
Neal, you might be right, but also, the structure of file access has to do with 
the apps on an iPhone having limited interaction with other apps. I'm not a 
developer or engineer, but basically, this makes for a lot of security, so 
there are few holes that can be hacked into. This makes browsing a transparent 
file structure difficult. Whatever the under-the-hood capabilities that have 
been implemented, it will be more feasible in iOs8 for apps to share 
information with each other while hopefully maintaining a high security level.

HtH,
Teresa

Teresa Cochran
batsfly...@me.com
Facebook

On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

 I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many people 
 would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their 
 device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this 
 intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary 
 personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them a 
 lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer their 
 own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's 
 just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company like Apple 
 with all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include a file system.
  
 Neal
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Christopher J Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
  
 I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to 
 access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work on 
 an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder 
 structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G 
 won't go very far.
 
 I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder 
 and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's 
 part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were 
 to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of the 
 decision making process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible and 
 more secure device at the cost of being able to access the underlying file 
 structure of the iPhone.
 
 On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to 
 use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app 
 integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what you 
 are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac 
 app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS 
 to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, 
 imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. 
 I hope I'm making sense.
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be 
 able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if 
 it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any 
 file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take 
 iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't 
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 
 Hello,
 
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Robert Stigile
Hello All,
You should try Dropbox.
I love it..
I share files between my pc, i phone and my notetaker.
I create folders on dropbox, then I just drop my files in there, even my music, 
and it is available for any device that I choose to use.
I can not remember when I last used I-tunes for transferring files.
Good luck,


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:43 pm
Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8



 I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many people 
 would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their 
 device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this 
 intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary 
 personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them a 
 lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer their 
 own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's 
 just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company like Apple 
 with all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include a file system.
  
 Neal
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Christopher J Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
  
 I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to 
 access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work on 
 an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder 
 structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G 
 won't go very far.
 
 I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder 
 and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's 
 part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were 
 to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of the 
 decision making process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible and 
 more secure device at the cost of being able to access the underlying file 
 structure of the iPhone.
 On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to 
 use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app 
 integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what you 
 are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac 
 app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS 
 to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, 
 imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. 
 I hope I'm making sense.
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be 
 able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if 
 it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any 
 file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take 
 iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't 
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
 appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
 
 
 
 I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the Messages app;
 you know, be able to create folders so I can save important messages.  All 
 I
 saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
 Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 8 but
 ...
 
 
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Good point Neal. I'm also thinking not exposing the iOS file system probably 
serves to prevent viruses or file corruption as well as preventing problems 
with accidental or deliberate deletion of important system files. Yes, I too 
would like an easier way to move files back and forth, but I also like that 
iOS devices simply work and are extremely reliable. The reason there are so 
many listers here and overall iDevice users both young and older is because 
of iOS' ease of use, stability, and reliability. In other words, apple seems 
to have the mindset of you drive the car, and let us worry about the 
performance and maintenance. For anyone who has ever worked with hotrod 
cars and motorcycles, you will know it's time consuming and a headache as 
well as endless tinkering--much like Windows. At some point one matures and 
ends up simply buying a reliable car that just works. Smile.

To be honest, once I changed my mindset to my iDevice being more of a 
consumption device rather than a production device, I've been much happier 
as I'm using it accordingly and not trying to force it to be something it is 
not.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8


I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many people
would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their
device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this
intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary
personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them
a lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer
their own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad
thing. It's just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company
like Apple with all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include a
file system.



Neal



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher J Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to
access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work
on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder
structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G
won't go very far.

I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder
and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's
part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were
to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of
the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible
and more secure device at the cost of being able to access the underlying
file structure of the iPhone.

On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to
use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app
integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what
you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in
a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app
on iOS to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support
iCloud Drive, imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then
opening them in VDR. I hope I'm making sense.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:





I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be
able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if
it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any
file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take
iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.

Sent from my iPhone




On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't

provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file

RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Tristan
Just as a side note, Apple's iOS devices uses a linux-based file structure.
If any of you have ever used a Linux computer, or taken a close look at the
structure of files on OS X, that's exactly how it works. It has a /etc,
/sys, and /home directory, just like Linux, and has an additional
/applications/ directory where applications are curated into their own
folders.

The sandboxing aspect is completely OS software-based.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 

Neal, you might be right, but also, the structure of file access has to do
with the apps on an iPhone having limited interaction with other apps. I'm
not a developer or engineer, but basically, this makes for a lot of
security, so there are few holes that can be hacked into. This makes
browsing a transparent file structure difficult. Whatever the under-the-hood
capabilities that have been implemented, it will be more feasible in iOs8
for apps to share information with each other while hopefully maintaining a
high security level.

 

HtH,

Teresa


Teresa Cochran

batsfly...@me.com mailto:batsfly...@me.com 

Facebook http://www.facebook.com/vegaspipistrelle 

 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org  wrote:





I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many people
would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their
device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this
intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary
personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them
a lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer
their own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad
thing. It's just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company
like Apple with all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include a
file system.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher J Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

 

I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to
access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work
on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder
structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G
won't go very far.

I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder
and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's
part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were
to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of
the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible
and more secure device at the cost of being able to access the underlying
file structure of the iPhone.

On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to
use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app
integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what
you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in
a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app
on iOS to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support
iCloud Drive, imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then
opening them in VDR. I hope I'm making sense.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com
mailto:lang...@gmail.com  wrote:






I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be
able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if
it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any
file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take
iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.  

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com
mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com  wrote:

File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't

provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net mailto:n0...@charter.net 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I would prefer the lack of access to the file structure over being
able to add viruses and hack phones more easily. Also, as much as I
hate it, ITunes is great when you have more than one phone.

On 6/3/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good point Neal. I'm also thinking not exposing the iOS file system probably

 serves to prevent viruses or file corruption as well as preventing problems

 with accidental or deliberate deletion of important system files. Yes, I too

 would like an easier way to move files back and forth, but I also like that

 iOS devices simply work and are extremely reliable. The reason there are so

 many listers here and overall iDevice users both young and older is because

 of iOS' ease of use, stability, and reliability. In other words, apple seems

 to have the mindset of you drive the car, and let us worry about the
 performance and maintenance. For anyone who has ever worked with hotrod
 cars and motorcycles, you will know it's time consuming and a headache as
 well as endless tinkering--much like Windows. At some point one matures and

 ends up simply buying a reliable car that just works. Smile.

 To be honest, once I changed my mindset to my iDevice being more of a
 consumption device rather than a production device, I've been much happier
 as I'm using it accordingly and not trying to force it to be something it is

 not.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 6:43 PM
 Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many
 people
 would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their
 device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this
 intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary
 personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them
 a lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer
 their own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad
 thing. It's just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company
 like Apple with all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include
 a
 file system.



 Neal



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher J Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



 I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to
 access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work
 on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder
 structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G
 won't go very far.

 I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder
 and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's
 part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were
 to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of
 the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible
 and more secure device at the cost of being able to access the underlying
 file structure of the iPhone.

 On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able
 to
 use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an
 app
 integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what
 you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in
 a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app
 on iOS to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support
 iCloud Drive, imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then
 opening them in VDR. I hope I'm making sense.

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:





 I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be
 able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if
 it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any
 file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take
 iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.

 Sent from my iPhone




 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple
 don't

 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental
 and long-overdue benefit.

 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There 

RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Neal Ewers
That's a good point, I too am glad of the security. However, how does one
explain the fact that the Mac does have a file system and there is still
very good security there. Meanwhile, there has to be an update to Windows
security more often than I can keep up with.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

I would prefer the lack of access to the file structure over being able to
add viruses and hack phones more easily. Also, as much as I hate it, ITunes
is great when you have more than one phone.

On 6/3/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good point Neal. I'm also thinking not exposing the iOS file system 
 probably

 serves to prevent viruses or file corruption as well as preventing 
 problems

 with accidental or deliberate deletion of important system files. Yes, 
 I too

 would like an easier way to move files back and forth, but I also like 
 that

 iOS devices simply work and are extremely reliable. The reason there 
 are so

 many listers here and overall iDevice users both young and older is 
 because

 of iOS' ease of use, stability, and reliability. In other words, apple 
 seems

 to have the mindset of you drive the car, and let us worry about the 
 performance and maintenance. For anyone who has ever worked with 
 hotrod cars and motorcycles, you will know it's time consuming and a 
 headache as well as endless tinkering--much like Windows. At some 
 point one matures and

 ends up simply buying a reliable car that just works. Smile.

 To be honest, once I changed my mindset to my iDevice being more of a 
 consumption device rather than a production device, I've been much 
 happier as I'm using it accordingly and not trying to force it to be 
 something it is

 not.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 6:43 PM
 Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many 
 people would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth 
 from their device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking 
 Apple did this intentionally for this and other reasons to protect 
 their proprietary personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which 
 would have gotten them a lot closer to making file transfers easier, 
 they are now about to offer their own version of a DropBox like 
 system. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just an Apple way of 
 doing things. But I don't think a company like Apple with all its 
 brain power would have simply forgotten to include a file system.



 Neal



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Christopher J Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



 I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be 
 able to access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would 
 still only work on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music 
 over in the folder structure you want, unless the Music app supported 
 iCloud Drive and then 5G won't go very far.

 I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying 
 folder and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight 
 on Apple's part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be 
 surprised if Apple were to change this any time soon, and for me at 
 least, it just became part of the decision making process. I'm getting 
 an easier to use, more accessible and more secure device at the cost 
 of being able to access the underlying file structure of the iPhone.

 On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be 
 able to use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That 
 said, if an app integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will 
 have basically what you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For 
 example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in 
 your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS to browse to and open that 
 file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, imagine dumping 
 zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. I hope 
 I'm making sense.

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:





 I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and 
 to be able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my 
 iPhone as if it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use 
 iTunes for any file/folder management task and would dearly love to 
 tell Apple to take iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.

 Sent from my iPhone




 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Reasons are probably endless, but... There isn't a large population of 
hackers and such targeting Macs. Nevertheless, as you well know, there have 
been viruses targeting Macs. Besides, why chase after the dolphins when a 
ride on the Microsoft whale can be much more exciting for the hacker.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8


That's a good point, I too am glad of the security. However, how does one
explain the fact that the Mac does have a file system and there is still
very good security there. Meanwhile, there has to be an update to Windows
security more often than I can keep up with.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

I would prefer the lack of access to the file structure over being able to
add viruses and hack phones more easily. Also, as much as I hate it, ITunes
is great when you have more than one phone.

On 6/3/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good point Neal. I'm also thinking not exposing the iOS file system
 probably

 serves to prevent viruses or file corruption as well as preventing
 problems

 with accidental or deliberate deletion of important system files. Yes,
 I too

 would like an easier way to move files back and forth, but I also like
 that

 iOS devices simply work and are extremely reliable. The reason there
 are so

 many listers here and overall iDevice users both young and older is
 because

 of iOS' ease of use, stability, and reliability. In other words, apple
 seems

 to have the mindset of you drive the car, and let us worry about the
 performance and maintenance. For anyone who has ever worked with
 hotrod cars and motorcycles, you will know it's time consuming and a
 headache as well as endless tinkering--much like Windows. At some
 point one matures and

 ends up simply buying a reliable car that just works. Smile.

 To be honest, once I changed my mindset to my iDevice being more of a
 consumption device rather than a production device, I've been much
 happier as I'm using it accordingly and not trying to force it to be
 something it is

 not.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 6:43 PM
 Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8


 I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many
 people would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth
 from their device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking
 Apple did this intentionally for this and other reasons to protect
 their proprietary personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which
 would have gotten them a lot closer to making file transfers easier,
 they are now about to offer their own version of a DropBox like
 system. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just an Apple way of
 doing things. But I don't think a company like Apple with all its
 brain power would have simply forgotten to include a file system.



 Neal



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Christopher J Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8



 I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be
 able to access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would
 still only work on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music
 over in the folder structure you want, unless the Music app supported
 iCloud Drive and then 5G won't go very far.

 I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying
 folder and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight
 on Apple's part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be
 surprised if Apple were to change this any time soon, and for me at
 least, it just became part of the decision making process. I'm getting
 an easier to use, more accessible and more secure device at the cost
 of being able to access the underlying file structure of the iPhone.

 On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be
 able to use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That
 said, if an app integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will
 have basically what you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For
 example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in
 your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS to browse to and open that
 file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, imagine dumping
 zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. I hope
 I'm making sense.

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange 

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Robert,

I ditto what you had to say. The only reason I mentioned One Drive is that I am 
nearly out of space in Dropbox and I wanted to have another solution instead of 
paying for more space. I'm with you in that I haven't used iTunes to move files 
in and out of each platform in years. To me, I find it too clunky and either 
Dropbox or One Drive is much easier to use and more accessible. JMO.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:02 PM, Robert Stigile rstig...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 You should try Dropbox.
 I love it..
 I share files between my pc, i phone and my notetaker.
 I create folders on dropbox, then I just drop my files in there, even my 
 music, and it is available for any device that I choose to use.
 I can not remember when I last used I-tunes for transferring files.
 Good luck,
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:43 pm
 Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 
 I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many people 
 would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their 
 device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this 
 intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary 
 personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them 
 a lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer 
 their own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad 
 thing. It's just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company 
 like Apple with all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include a 
 file system.
 
 Neal
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Christopher J Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to 
 access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work 
 on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder 
 structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G 
 won't go very far.
 
 I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder 
 and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's 
 part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were 
 to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of 
 the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible 
 and more secure device at the cost of being able to access the underlying 
 file structure of the iPhone.
 On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to 
 use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app 
 integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what 
 you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in 
 a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app 
 on iOS to browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support 
 iCloud Drive, imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then 
 opening them in VDR. I hope I'm making sense.
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be 
 able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if 
 it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any 
 file/folder management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take 
 iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't 
 provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the 
 apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental 
 and long-overdue benefit.
 
 JMO, RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
 
 
 Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
 improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
 will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
 them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
 this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
 application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
 management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
 and moving files is very difficult.
 Original message:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 
 
 I just watched the keynote and the one thing I 

Re: Voice over and languages

2014-06-03 Thread Cornelius
ok david. took me quite a while to do that. now I understand what you say. 
sorry for the trouble.

From: David Chittenden 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voice over and languages

Um, did you read the message you replied to, or was my explanation unclear?

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Jun 2014, at 7:01, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:


  I am sure british english can handle the mail I am trying to read, since it 
is in english. However, maybe due to the language tag, it switches to some 
other language voice. Any way to avoid auto language detection? 

  From: David Chittenden 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:14 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Voice over and languages

  When the languages is set on default language, a different language tag 
causes VO to switch to the different language. Place at least one additional 
language in the rotor. Turn the rotor to language. Flick from default language 
to the same language in the rotor. Now, everything will be spoken in the 
language chosen, if said language can handle the material. If not, the material 
will be skipped. 

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 3 Jun 2014, at 6:39, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all, Have been using iPhone for a couple of weeks now. 
I notice that sometimes when reading certain text, voice over will switch 
to other languages although the text is in english. I am using British english 
and it is set as the default dialect in the VO settings. I have also deleted 
other languages in the roter, but this does not solve the problem. 
Can anyone guide me to set the voices so it won’t jump when reading? 

Thanks.
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Help with mail

2014-06-03 Thread Margaret


I was just reading my emails in mail on my iPhone 5 and all my emails  
disappeared   Just after a couple of new emails came through. I checked 
settings to see if anything had changed and I couldn't see any changes plus I 
restarted my phone. Can any one suggest what I can do to get my read emails 
back. 

Margaret 
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