Re: iPad split screen with VoiceOver

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

On the ipad, because the screen is larger, the list of your messages in the 
chosen mailbox is always visible on the screen on the left handside.  The 
larger portion of the screen displays the content of the message.  Then in a 
small strip at the top and bottom of the screen, you have some buttons which do 
various things.  It took me a while to get used to this.  What I do normally, 
is double-tap the message which I want to read, and then touch the screen in 
the larger portion on th right.  I hear Voiceover say “message” and I can read 
the content using normal gestures.  If I’m done with the message, I either 
delete it using the delete button above the body of the message, or move my 
finger to the left edge of the screen to choose another message.  With practice 
you are sure to get used to finding the body of the message quickly.  
The use of the container rotor item works well as well but I find it faster to 
touch the body of the message which takes voiceover focus into that part of the 
screen and away from the message list.

Hope this will help somewhat.

Andrew
> On 4 Dec 2014, at 01:34, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> How do people deal with the iPad split screen using VoiceOver?  For example, 
> when I try to use an iPad and double-tap on an email message, my list of 
> messages is still there.  It takes me a while to find the actual message. On 
> my iPhone, I can just double-tap on a message from the Inbox and it’s there 
> instead of the list of messages.
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RE: bluetooth speakers for O-and-M training

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

 

I have a small bluetooth speaker called the “Buckshot” from Outdoor Technology. 
It is about 3.5 inches long and 1.5 inches in diameter and it weighs in at a 
bit over 5 ounces. It has a rubbery, grippy outer layer, the speaker is on one 
end and on the other you have volume up/down and a play/pause button which 
doubles as accept/hangup for a phone call since that speaker also has a 
microphone. This is by far the best small speaker I have found and I went to a 
fabric shop which also does sewing and asked them to make me a Velcro strap 
which wraps around the shoulder strap of my backpack and attached to it is a 2 
inch wide sleeve made from an elastic material in which I can stick the 
speaker. This way the speaker is vertical against my shoulder strap with the 
top at about shoulder height. I can easily reach the buttons underneath and 
it’s only about 6 or 8 inches from my ear. I use it all the time when I walk 
home to listen to audio books as I usually don’t meet too many people where I 
live. Even if somebody passes me, the speaker is close enough to my ear so I 
can set the volume to a level where you wouldn’t hear much from more than 5 or 
6 feet away. Of course it works great for GPS announcements and if it’s noisy 
with lots of traffic the volume on that speaker does go pretty loud. You can 
find it on Amazon or go to www.OutdoorTech.com  . 
Oh, another advantage of that speaker is that it is water proof at least as far 
as rain and such is concerned. You can’t submerge it, but rain or a splash here 
and there is no problem.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: bluetooth speakers for O-and-M training

 

I just had a question from one of our Orientation and Mobility instructors 
about a bluetooth speaker that is more portable than the BeatBox, but has good 
volume so he can use it to help teach folks how to use Blind Square and other 
GPS related apps when out on a lesson.
One client carried the BeatBox in her purse and that worked fine, but unless we 
ask our male clients to start carrying purses, the BeatBox might be a little 
challenging to carry around.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Richard

 

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RE: New iPad Mini 2

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just FYI, if the songs are in iTunes Plus quality which is AAC format at 256 
kbps, 16 Gb will not be so much space. I believe on a 16 Gb model between 12 
and 13 Gb are available. I just checked under Settings, General About and saw 
there that I have 2,906 songs on my iPhone. I then went to Settings, General, 
Usage, manage Storage and here I can see that my music takes up 19.5 Gb. 
Had my Dad asked me if he should buy a 16 Gb or a 64 Gb I would have definitely 
recommended to get a 64 Gb, for $100 more you get 4 times the amount of 
storage.what to buy 


Regards,
Sieghard

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Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: New iPad Mini 2

Hi all,

Only posting this here as it relates to iOS devices. I don't normally post 
general iOS chatter but I think an exception to the rule can apply here.
Just spoken to my father on the cellular. He asked if he can have something 
from his Amazon deliver to my address. An iPad Mini 2 for stepmother will be 
arriving. Yes she will be welcomed into the world of Apple for sure with her 
new iPad Mini 2 Christmas Day. How exciting! She has an iPod Nano but of course 
this isn't a fully fledged device and is certainly not running iOS. The iPad 
Mini 2 will come with 16 GB of Storage so she should be able to store about 
8,000 songs and lots of photos.

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keychain in ios 8.11

[Lori Dent]

HiChris and all,

How do I use keychain and enter my credentials into keychain? Thanks.

Lori and the Gipper

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Help with native Calendar app please

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I seem to be totally flummoxed by the native Calendar app.

I've put in Events and have the USA Holidays app that automatically loads US 
Holiday dates.

Sometimes I go into Calendar and click List, and get Holidays and Events 
starting June 2013, even though it's now December 2014. If I one finger flick 
to delete, then double tap to delete, delete announces but delete doesn't 
happen.

Other times, I go to a date with an event. It states there is an event and 
announces to double tap the button to get details about the event.  When I 
Double tap on the button, I only get a page with Calendar Headings but no info.

Is there a recommended resource I can go to to figure out the native Calendar 
app using Voiceover? Any guidance will be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance. Keith.

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Re: 2 Notifications Received for One Text Message

[Alex Hall]

Sure, just go to Settings > Notifications, choose Messages, and select what 
kind of alert you want and where you want it. Specifically, disable "show in 
notification center". However, I wonder if you're just getting the alert twice? 
While you're in those settings, go to the "repeat alerts" button and see what 
it is set to. If it's two times, as I suspect it might be, set it to "Never" 
and that should take care of it.
> On Dec 3, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Sherry Wells  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I hope I can explain this so it makes sense.  When I get one text message, VO 
> says 2 unread messages.  The only thing I can figure out is that the message 
> appears both in messages & in the notification area.  This is confusing as 
> I’m never sure if I really did get 2 texts & just can’t find the 2nd one.  Is 
> there some way to not have texts sent to the notification center? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
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Re: accessable to do list app?

[Yolanda]

Things by cultured code

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> On Dec 3, 2014, at 5:30 PM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
> hey all please can any one recommend an accessable to do list app?
> your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards trahern.
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Re: Apple TV

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree a lot of questions can be answered with a quick Google search 
and a lot of list traffic would be eliminated if people would look 
through all of their email messages to see if a question has already 
been answered before they answer it themselves, but we can't dictate to 
others how to process their email or when to use Google versus when to 
ask a question on a list. We can make sure people are aware of their 
different options, but I'm not sure ranting to people about it is the 
most affective method.


Two other things to consider are ignoring those questions or threads you 
find trivial or useless, which would be especially easy if you're using 
a threaded email client.  Or secondly looking for another list where the 
traffic isn't so astoundingly useless to you.


Finally, I think Raul and Cara do a good job with this list gently 
reminding people what good list habits are and letting them know how 
their posts can impact the other 1500 members of the list. IMHO, a 
gentle reminder like that from the moderator is more affective than a 
rant from a list member.


On 12/03/2014 08:39 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

Bit of a rant followed by an answer here, but sometimes the amount of
replies to questions on this list that are next to useless astounds
me. Additionally, the amount of questions that could be answered by a
very simple Google search is also astounding. Whenever I consider if I
should ask a question of the list, I first ponder if instead of
waiting for potentially hours for someone to answer it I can spend a
couple of minutes trying to Google for the solution. For example,
performing a Google search for "apple TV voiceover" produces many
useful results, the top three of which contain instructions as to how
it can be enabled.

However, to answer your question:

1. Plug Apple TV into your TV using a HDMI cable. If purchased from
Apple a HDMI cable will not be supplied.
2. Change the input on your TV to the HDMI port that you have plugged
the Apple TV into.
3. Plug the Apple TV into an electrical outlet.
4. If all is well after a minute you should hear instructions
pertaining to the enabling of VoiceOver.
5. Press the play button (bottom right on the remote with the circle
of buttons facing away from you) 3 times at the same sort of speed
that you would triple click home. VoiceOver should now be enabled.

NB: if you have AV receivers that you will be connecting through the
steps may be slightly different, but the triple click part will remain
the same.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/3/14, Isaac Hebert  wrote:

I think you can enable accessibility from the remote but I am not for sure
but in case if I am wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks about
using the apple tv
  with voiceover.
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv
Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:

Hello list,

Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my
friendly UPS driver...

The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to
setup, or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on there
for the device?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.


Peter

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Re: bluetooth speakers for O-and-M training

[David Chittenden]

I use either the Motorola H19TXT or the Motorola Sliver bluetooth earpieces. 
Neither of these earpieces bluck my hearing. Both are quite small and 
unobtrusive. The Sliver is more comfortable. Note: My fiance only has hearing 
in one ear. She keeps the Sliver in that ear and is still able to hear 
conversations around her even when we are on the phone with each other. Note: 
she is sighted.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 4 Dec 2014, at 05:43, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I just had a question from one of our Orientation and Mobility instructors 
> about a bluetooth speaker that is more portable than the BeatBox, but has 
> good volume so he can use it to help teach folks how to use Blind Square and 
> other GPS related apps when out on a lesson.
> One client carried the BeatBox in her purse and that worked fine, but unless 
> we ask our male clients to start carrying purses, the BeatBox might be a 
> little challenging to carry around.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: iPad split screen with VoiceOver

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't have an iPad, but maybe navigating by containers would help. You 
can add containers to your roter if it isn't already there and then you 
can use the roter to select containers and flick up or down to navigate 
between containers. I'm not sure it'll help, but maybe it's worth 
looking into while you're waiting for someone with an iPad to respond.


On 12/03/2014 07:34 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

How do people deal with the iPad split screen using VoiceOver?  For example, 
when I try to use an iPad and double-tap on an email message, my list of 
messages is still there.  It takes me a while to find the actual message. On my 
iPhone, I can just double-tap on a message from the Inbox and it’s there 
instead of the list of messages.



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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Edgar Lozano]

Hi Everyone,

Glad to know that multilingualism bugs are important to others as
well. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with Greek to establish a
syntactical foundation. So, the languages I use are French France,
Mexican Spanish, Mandarin Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Arabic,
and have all the variants of English on my roter. Interestingly, when
I upgraded to IOS 8 (initial release), some of these languages
wouldn't upgrade to their higher quality variants. After upgrading to
the latest version of IOS, Arabic was still facing the same
inconvenience. I'm in the process of composing an e-mail to Apple,
hoping that they will fix this. As I mentioned, minor bugs. However,
they are somewhat anoying.

On 12/3/14, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> Hey andrew nice to see a fellow Greek.
> Anyhow since both of us reported it back in ios 6 and I'm sure others have
> reported it and we are 2 versions later, I think it's time we all report it
> again to apple in hopes that it gets fixed eventually.
> Regards
> Zoe
>
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> To: VIPhone
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] feedback from a multi-lingual user
>
> Hi Zoe,
>
> This is precisely my experience too.  I too use the Greek language, and I
> also have to switch to Greek proper via the rotor rather than rely on
> automatic language switching.  I also reported it very strongly back in iOS
> 6 time when things went wrong with Greek.
>
> Andrew
>> On 3 Dec 2014, at 18:53, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
>>
>> Hi I can also confirm these bugs.  I use English and Greek.  Speech rate
>> changes on it's own, however in my case autodetect languages in mail, text
>> messages, notifications etc. works but doesn't work properly.  Meaning
>> when Greek text is detected voiceover starts speaking Greek, but it does
>> it improperly.  What do I mean you ask?  It reads letters instead of words
>> and sentences, and it reads some of the Greek letters in Greek and some in
>> English, so I hear 2 voices.  Of course as soon as the language is
>> detected since I know of this problem, I use the roter and switch
>> languages and problem solved and I'm able to hear the proper text by the
>> proper voice.  I have told apple about this way back in ios 6 but they
>> haven't fixed it.  The issue of the speech rate changing came with the
>> latest update.
>> I'm still happy that my iPhone can read my native tongue so no complaints,
>> and I am greatful that with the new and latest update Greek has been
>> included in the dictate feature that comes with voiceover accessability.
>> Before the latest update I had to use dragon dictate for anything I wanted
>> to write in Greek but now I have the dictate, now only if they would add a
>> Greek spell check that would be great.
>> Regards
>> Zoe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Brian Moore
>> Sent: December-03-14 12:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user
>>
>> Hi.  Can confirm.  same issue with English Canada and French.  same
>> issues with web language not changing and rate changing when I switch.
>> thought maybe it was because I had the australian english voice as my
>> voice but guess not.
>> Brian.
>>
>> Contact me on skype: brian.moore
>> follow me on twitter:
>> http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
>>
>> On 03/12/2014 10:37 AM, Kate Andrekson wrote:
>>> My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is Spanish
>>> Spain
>>> I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or if anyone else
>>> has seen this bug
>>> Thanks
>>> Kate
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ 
 wrote:

 Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with
 IOS8.11 when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen.,
 when I change language on the roter from English to French, the speech
 rate becomes a lot faster and when I go back to English UK, my default
 language, the rate is even faster and sets itself to American English.
 The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however,
 cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles
 matters until I change the language again.
 The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it
 used to either.
 Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as
 this, but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that
 something that used to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly
 improved version of the IOS.
 Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
 All the best,
 Marie

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2 Notifications Received for One Text Message

[Sherry Wells]

Hi all,

I hope I can explain this so it makes sense.  When I get one text message, VO 
says 2 unread messages.  The only thing I can figure out is that the message 
appears both in messages & in the notification area.  This is confusing as I’m 
never sure if I really did get 2 texts & just can’t find the 2nd one.  Is there 
some way to not have texts sent to the notification center?  

Thanks,
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iPad split screen with VoiceOver

[Ryan Mann]

How do people deal with the iPad split screen using VoiceOver?  For example, 
when I try to use an iPad and double-tap on an email message, my list of 
messages is still there.  It takes me a while to find the actual message. On my 
iPhone, I can just double-tap on a message from the Inbox and it’s there 
instead of the list of messages.

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RE: accessible to do list app?

[Jennie Facer]

I have one called things. I haven’t used it too much, but I do know it is 
accessible.

 

Jenn

 

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hey all please can any one recommend an accessable to do list app?

your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards trahern.

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Re: accessable to do list app?

[jldai...@gmail.com]

Pocket lists is accessible.I have been using it for a few weeks now. It 
integrates your reminders and calendars into a list. To mark something as 
completed, you simply delete it.

Sent from my iPhone

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> hey all please can any one recommend an accessable to do list app?
> your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards trahern.
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accessable to do list app?

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hey all please can any one recommend an accessable to do list app?
your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards trahern.

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Re: Brailliant BI and iOS 8.1.1

[Alex Hall]

I'd be inclined to blame Humanware. They told me in the past that it's Apple's 
fault you can't use the backspace or enter keys to, well, backspace or enter. 
However, other displays do this, and Apple's own braille commands list 
indicatest dot 7 for backspace and dot 8 for enter. That, and the fact that 
this is the first I've heard of the problem (i.e. I've not heard of other 
displays doing this) seems to point to Humanware as the culprit.
> On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> I have contacted both parties on this matter, and they both blame the other 
> one.
> 
> Jenn
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brailliant BI and iOS 8.1.1
> 
> I have tried various things like turning off the auto translation and it 
> doesn't seem to make a difference. At first it was only seeming to happen in 
> text messages but it also happens in emails. I am not sure if it is a problem 
> specific with their humanware device or if it is iOS related. I have used a 
> focus 40 and haven't seemed to notice any of these kinds of lock up issues.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the same problem. I do not know how to fix it either. I have tried 
>> and tried.
>> Jenn
>> 
>> Sent from smarty pants!
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all. Wondering if anyone has issues with the Humanware 
>>> Brailliant BI Braille display locking up when using it with an iPhone 
>>> on iOS 8.1.1. I have a display and after a while of moving around and 
>>> editing the display freezes. The phone continues to speak without 
>>> issues, but I have to turn off the display, lock the phone, and then 
>>> turn on the display again and start over in order for things to work 
>>> right again. I don't have a way to compare if this was the issue with 
>>> iOS 7.x or if it might be an on-going issue with the Brailliant display. 
>>> Ideas and/or suggestions welcome.
>>> 
>>> I've already removed and paired the display again and I have no 
>>> connection issues. Just the freezing issues, and yet there seems to 
>>> be no pattern in when it happens.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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RE: Brailliant BI and iOS 8.1.1

[Jennie Facer]

I have contacted both parties on this matter, and they both blame the other one.

Jenn

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Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Brailliant BI and iOS 8.1.1

I have tried various things like turning off the auto translation and it 
doesn't seem to make a difference. At first it was only seeming to happen in 
text messages but it also happens in emails. I am not sure if it is a problem 
specific with their humanware device or if it is iOS related. I have used a 
focus 40 and haven't seemed to notice any of these kinds of lock up issues.



> On Dec 3, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> I have the same problem. I do not know how to fix it either. I have tried and 
> tried.
> Jenn
> 
> Sent from smarty pants!
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all. Wondering if anyone has issues with the Humanware 
>> Brailliant BI Braille display locking up when using it with an iPhone 
>> on iOS 8.1.1. I have a display and after a while of moving around and 
>> editing the display freezes. The phone continues to speak without 
>> issues, but I have to turn off the display, lock the phone, and then 
>> turn on the display again and start over in order for things to work 
>> right again. I don't have a way to compare if this was the issue with 
>> iOS 7.x or if it might be an on-going issue with the Brailliant display. 
>> Ideas and/or suggestions welcome.
>> 
>> I've already removed and paired the display again and I have no 
>> connection issues. Just the freezing issues, and yet there seems to 
>> be no pattern in when it happens.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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RE: Apple TV

[Merv Keck]

Hi,

You do need to be careful with switch boxes and the Apple TV. They don't
like to wake up on many of those types of things. I tried several of them
including a pretty good HDMI 5 out 1 in box and the Apple TV did not want to
wake up with it on any of the five ports. Also my cable box kept losing the
signal on each of the ports.

 

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Re: Brailliant BI and iOS 8.1.1

[Raul A. Gallegos]

I have tried various things like turning off the auto translation and it 
doesn't seem to make a difference. At first it was only seeming to happen in 
text messages but it also happens in emails. I am not sure if it is a problem 
specific with their humanware device or if it is iOS related. I have used a 
focus 40 and haven't seemed to notice any of these kinds of lock up issues.



> On Dec 3, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> I have the same problem. I do not know how to fix it either. I have tried and 
> tried.
> Jenn
> 
> Sent from smarty pants!
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all. Wondering if anyone has issues with the Humanware Brailliant BI
>> Braille display locking up when using it with an iPhone on iOS 8.1.1. I have
>> a display and after a while of moving around and editing the display
>> freezes. The phone continues to speak without issues, but I have to turn off
>> the display, lock the phone, and then turn on the display again and start
>> over in order for things to work right again. I don't have a way to compare
>> if this was the issue with iOS 7.x or if it might be an on-going issue with
>> the Brailliant display. Ideas and/or suggestions welcome.
>> 
>> I've already removed and paired the display again and I have no connection
>> issues. Just the freezing issues, and yet there seems to be no pattern in
>> when it happens.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Apple TV

[Fred Olver]

If you have more than one device connected to your TV you can always get a box 
to switch between devices rather than changing via the remote.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shane Clark 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple TV


  Hi Brian,
  When using my Apple TV, I'm able to switch to HDMI. Its going to vary TV to 
TV how and which buttons to press, but it can be done. Just sit down with a 
sighted friend or family member, and have them walk you through it a few times. 
You'll get it.
  Shane.


  On December 3, 2014 4:58:14 PM EST, brian albriton  
wrote:
These are excellent instructions. I assume, that changing the input on the TV 
to that HDMI cable, might require some assistance from somebody else. And less 
one of course, is totally familiar with how to make those kinds of adjustments 
on their TV flying blind as it were.   On Dec 3, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Ben 
Mustill-Rose  wrote:  Hi,  Bit of a rant followed by an answer 
here, but sometimes the amount of replies to questions on this list that are 
next to useless astounds me. Additionally, the amount of questions that could 
be answered by a very simple Google search is also astounding. Whenever I 
consider if I should ask a question of the list, I first ponder if instead of 
waiting for potentially hours for someone to answer it I can spend a couple
of minutes trying to Google for the solution. For example, performing a Google 
search for "apple TV voiceover" produces many useful results, the top three of 
which contain instructions as to how it can be enabled.  However, to answer 
your question:  1. Plug Apple TV into your TV using a HDMI cable. If purchased 
from Apple a HDMI cable will not be supplied. 2. Change the input on your TV to 
the HDMI port that you have plugged the Apple TV into. 3. Plug the Apple TV 
into an electrical outlet. 4. If all is well after a minute you should hear 
instructions pertaining to the enabling of VoiceOver. 5. Press the play button 
(bottom right on the remote with the circle of buttons facing away from you) 3 
times at the same sort of speed that you would triple click home. VoiceOver 
should now be enabled.  NB: if you have AV receivers that you will be 
connecting through the steps may
be slightly different, but the triple click part will remain the same.  Cheers, 
Ben.  On 12/3/14, Isaac Hebert  wrote: I think you can 
enable accessibility from the remote but I am not for sure but in case if I am 
wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks about using the apple tv with 
voiceover. 
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv Sent 
from my iPhone  On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan  
wrote:  Hello list,  Will be getting the latest version of the
Apple TV later today via my friendly UPS driver...  The question is, can Voice 
Over be turned on from the remote prior to setup, or will I need to connect to 
ITunes and turn accessibility on there for the device?  Thanks in advance for 
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RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hey andrew nice to see a fellow Greek.
Anyhow since both of us reported it back in ios 6 and I'm sure others have 
reported it and we are 2 versions later, I think it's time we all report it 
again to apple in hopes that it gets fixed eventually.
Regards
Zoe

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew Lamanche
Sent: December-03-14 2:14 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] feedback from a multi-lingual user

Hi Zoe,

This is precisely my experience too.  I too use the Greek language, and I also 
have to switch to Greek proper via the rotor rather than rely on automatic 
language switching.  I also reported it very strongly back in iOS 6 time when 
things went wrong with Greek.

Andrew
> On 3 Dec 2014, at 18:53, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi I can also confirm these bugs.  I use English and Greek.  Speech rate 
> changes on it's own, however in my case autodetect languages in mail, text 
> messages, notifications etc. works but doesn't work properly.  Meaning when 
> Greek text is detected voiceover starts speaking Greek, but it does it 
> improperly.  What do I mean you ask?  It reads letters instead of words and 
> sentences, and it reads some of the Greek letters in Greek and some in 
> English, so I hear 2 voices.  Of course as soon as the language is detected 
> since I know of this problem, I use the roter and switch languages and 
> problem solved and I'm able to hear the proper text by the proper voice.  I 
> have told apple about this way back in ios 6 but they haven't fixed it.  The 
> issue of the speech rate changing came with the latest update.
> I'm still happy that my iPhone can read my native tongue so no complaints, 
> and I am greatful that with the new and latest update Greek has been included 
> in the dictate feature that comes with voiceover accessability.  Before the 
> latest update I had to use dragon dictate for anything I wanted to write in 
> Greek but now I have the dictate, now only if they would add a Greek spell 
> check that would be great.
> Regards
> Zoe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Moore
> Sent: December-03-14 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user
> 
> Hi.  Can confirm.  same issue with English Canada and French.  same 
> issues with web language not changing and rate changing when I switch.
> thought maybe it was because I had the australian english voice as my 
> voice but guess not.
> Brian.
> 
> Contact me on skype: brian.moore
> follow me on twitter:
> http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
> 
> On 03/12/2014 10:37 AM, Kate Andrekson wrote:
>> My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is Spanish Spain
>> I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or if anyone else has 
>> seen this bug
>> Thanks
>> Kate
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 
>>> when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I 
>>> change language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate 
>>> becomes a lot faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, 
>>> the rate is even faster and sets itself to American English.
>>> The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
>>> cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
>>> until I change the language again.
>>> The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used 
>>> to either.
>>> Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, 
>>> but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that 
>>> used to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version 
>>> of the IOS.
>>> Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
>>> All the best,
>>> Marie
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Re: New iPad Mini 2

[Richard Turner]

Well, if she is going to use music files of 128 mbps she won't get nearly eight 
thousand songs on a 16 GB device.
I have a little under nine thousand songs and it is over 32 GB of storage on my 
64 GB iPhone.
Remember, she will only have a little under thirteen GB actually available.
Still, a wonderful gift and she will have many hours of music in any case.
Richard


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Sent from my iPhone 5S



> On Dec 3, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Only posting this here as it relates to iOS devices. I don't normally post 
> general iOS chatter but I think an exception to the rule can apply here.
> Just spoken to my father on the cellular. He asked if he can have something 
> from his Amazon deliver to my address. An iPad Mini 2 for stepmother will be 
> arriving. Yes she will be welcomed into the world of Apple for sure with her 
> new iPad Mini 2 Christmas Day. How exciting! She has an iPod Nano but of 
> course this isn't a fully fledged device and is certainly not running iOS. 
> The iPad Mini 2 will come with 16 GB of Storage so she should be able to 
> store about 8,000 songs and lots of photos.
> 
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Re: Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

As you say, selecting the correct input source can be problematic,
both in terms of the key sequence required for your TV & then knowing
if you've selected the input that you've plugged the Apple TV into.
I know the key sequence for my TV, so what I've done in the past is to
plug my laptop in via HDMI, leave speech reading a document then
experiment with changing the input on the TV until I hear speech
through the speakers. The reason why I suggest this is because the
prompt that tells you how to turn VO on is only spoken once a minute
from memory, so there will be a large amount of time when the Apple TV
won't be generating any sound which obviously makes it a bit harder to
tell if you've selected the correct input.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/3/14, brian albriton  wrote:
> These are excellent instructions. I assume, that changing the input on the
> TV to that HDMI cable, might require some assistance from somebody else. And
> less one of course, is totally familiar with how to make those kinds of
> adjustments on their TV flying blind as it were.
>
>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Bit of a rant followed by an answer here, but sometimes the amount of
>> replies to questions on this list that are next to useless astounds
>> me. Additionally, the amount of questions that could be answered by a
>> very simple Google search is also astounding. Whenever I consider if I
>> should ask a question of the list, I first ponder if instead of
>> waiting for potentially hours for someone to answer it I can spend a
>> couple of minutes trying to Google for the solution. For example,
>> performing a Google search for "apple TV voiceover" produces many
>> useful results, the top three of which contain instructions as to how
>> it can be enabled.
>>
>> However, to answer your question:
>>
>> 1. Plug Apple TV into your TV using a HDMI cable. If purchased from
>> Apple a HDMI cable will not be supplied.
>> 2. Change the input on your TV to the HDMI port that you have plugged
>> the Apple TV into.
>> 3. Plug the Apple TV into an electrical outlet.
>> 4. If all is well after a minute you should hear instructions
>> pertaining to the enabling of VoiceOver.
>> 5. Press the play button (bottom right on the remote with the circle
>> of buttons facing away from you) 3 times at the same sort of speed
>> that you would triple click home. VoiceOver should now be enabled.
>>
>> NB: if you have AV receivers that you will be connecting through the
>> steps may be slightly different, but the triple click part will remain
>> the same.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>>
>>> On 12/3/14, Isaac Hebert  wrote:
>>> I think you can enable accessibility from the remote but I am not for
>>> sure
>>> but in case if I am wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks
>>> about
>>> using the apple tv
>>> with voiceover.
>>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:

 Hello list,

 Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my
 friendly UPS driver...

 The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to
 setup, or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on
 there
 for the device?

 Thanks in advance for the assistance.


 Peter

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Re: Apple TV

[Shane Clark]

Hi Brian,
When using my Apple TV, I'm able to switch to HDMI. Its going to vary TV to TV 
how and which buttons to press, but it can be done. Just sit down with a 
sighted friend or family member, and have them walk you through it a few times. 
You'll get it.
Shane.

On December 3, 2014 4:58:14 PM EST, brian albriton  
wrote:
>These are excellent instructions. I assume, that changing the input on
>the TV to that HDMI cable, might require some assistance from somebody
>else. And less one of course, is totally familiar with how to make
>those kinds of adjustments on their TV flying blind as it were.  
>
>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Bit of a rant followed by an answer here, but sometimes the amount of
>> replies to questions on this list that are next to useless astounds
>> me. Additionally, the amount of questions that could be answered by a
>> very simple Google search is also astounding. Whenever I consider if
>I
>> should ask a question of the list, I first ponder if instead of
>> waiting for potentially hours for someone to answer it I can spend a
>> couple of minutes trying to Google for the solution. For example,
>> performing a Google search for "apple TV voiceover" produces many
>> useful results, the top three of which contain instructions as to how
>> it can be enabled.
>> 
>> However, to answer your question:
>> 
>> 1. Plug Apple TV into your TV using a HDMI cable. If purchased from
>> Apple a HDMI cable will not be supplied.
>> 2. Change the input on your TV to the HDMI port that you have plugged
>> the Apple TV into.
>> 3. Plug the Apple TV into an electrical outlet.
>> 4. If all is well after a minute you should hear instructions
>> pertaining to the enabling of VoiceOver.
>> 5. Press the play button (bottom right on the remote with the circle
>> of buttons facing away from you) 3 times at the same sort of speed
>> that you would triple click home. VoiceOver should now be enabled.
>> 
>> NB: if you have AV receivers that you will be connecting through the
>> steps may be slightly different, but the triple click part will
>remain
>> the same.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>> 
>>> On 12/3/14, Isaac Hebert  wrote:
>>> I think you can enable accessibility from the remote but I am not
>for sure
>>> but in case if I am wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks
>about
>>> using the apple tv
>>> with voiceover.
>>>
>http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan 
>wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 
 Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via
>my
 friendly UPS driver...
 
 The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior
>to
 setup, or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility
>on there
 for the device?
 
 Thanks in advance for the assistance.
 
 
 Peter
 
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Re: Apple TV

[brian albriton]

These are excellent instructions. I assume, that changing the input on the TV 
to that HDMI cable, might require some assistance from somebody else. And less 
one of course, is totally familiar with how to make those kinds of adjustments 
on their TV flying blind as it were.  



> On Dec 3, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Bit of a rant followed by an answer here, but sometimes the amount of
> replies to questions on this list that are next to useless astounds
> me. Additionally, the amount of questions that could be answered by a
> very simple Google search is also astounding. Whenever I consider if I
> should ask a question of the list, I first ponder if instead of
> waiting for potentially hours for someone to answer it I can spend a
> couple of minutes trying to Google for the solution. For example,
> performing a Google search for "apple TV voiceover" produces many
> useful results, the top three of which contain instructions as to how
> it can be enabled.
> 
> However, to answer your question:
> 
> 1. Plug Apple TV into your TV using a HDMI cable. If purchased from
> Apple a HDMI cable will not be supplied.
> 2. Change the input on your TV to the HDMI port that you have plugged
> the Apple TV into.
> 3. Plug the Apple TV into an electrical outlet.
> 4. If all is well after a minute you should hear instructions
> pertaining to the enabling of VoiceOver.
> 5. Press the play button (bottom right on the remote with the circle
> of buttons facing away from you) 3 times at the same sort of speed
> that you would triple click home. VoiceOver should now be enabled.
> 
> NB: if you have AV receivers that you will be connecting through the
> steps may be slightly different, but the triple click part will remain
> the same.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
> 
>> On 12/3/14, Isaac Hebert  wrote:
>> I think you can enable accessibility from the remote but I am not for sure
>> but in case if I am wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks about
>> using the apple tv
>> with voiceover.
>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> 
>>> Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my
>>> friendly UPS driver...
>>> 
>>> The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to
>>> setup, or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on there
>>> for the device?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for the assistance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: mBraille or what?

[RobH.]

Don't blame yourself, my oversight for not updating when I loaded it on to 
new phone.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Hallsworth" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: mBraille or what?


Hi all,
I'm sorry. i thought the person in question was usin the paid version. I
will try not to assume this in the future.

On 03/12/2014 14:03, RobH. wrote:
> Ok, that fixed it good;  thanks.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: mBraille or what?
>
>
> Are you using the paid version or the free version of mBraille?
> The fre version doesn't let you do the copy and paste, though you can use
> the dot commands to send sms or tweat.
> I'm using mBraille to write this in the paid version. When I am done
> writing, I will hit the home button, go to your message, hit reply, turn 
> the
> rotor to  edit and flick to paste and double tap, and hit send.
> Richard
>
>
> Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.
>
> Jane Wagner, from In Search of Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
>
>
>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:31 PM, RobH.  wrote:
>>
>> Just got to try this,  wrote text in the normal input screen, then 
>> exited,
>> went to messages, open a text field, cranked round the rotor to find
>> edit,...   no edit, got braille input like you do on the rotor,  but no
>> edit
>> so I couldn't do all the cut/copy...  paste; I do like to paste.
>>
>> This is iPhone 5S, with iOs 8.1.1.
>>
>> Edit functions on an open text field is a bit fundamental and guess I'm
>> going to be pointed at a different list.
>>
>> RobH.
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Re: Brailliant BI and iOS 8.1.1

[Jennie Facer]

I have the same problem. I do not know how to fix it either. I have tried and 
tried.
Jenn

Sent from smarty pants!

> On Dec 2, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. Wondering if anyone has issues with the Humanware Brailliant BI
> Braille display locking up when using it with an iPhone on iOS 8.1.1. I have
> a display and after a while of moving around and editing the display
> freezes. The phone continues to speak without issues, but I have to turn off
> the display, lock the phone, and then turn on the display again and start
> over in order for things to work right again. I don't have a way to compare
> if this was the issue with iOS 7.x or if it might be an on-going issue with
> the Brailliant display. Ideas and/or suggestions welcome.
> 
> I've already removed and paired the display again and I have no connection
> issues. Just the freezing issues, and yet there seems to be no pattern in
> when it happens.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

[carol.pearso...@googlemail.com]

Don't worry!  I havge sent them so many reports recently ...  Will do!

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Chittenden 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:24 PM
  Subject: Re: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!


  I hope you are reporting this to Apple. 

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 4 Dec 2014, at 07:13, carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:


Anyone any idea what's causing some of this strange, erratic behaviour!

The first I remember was when Siri responded to the football results, but I 
switched off that setting;  then we started to see all these funny keyboard 
things happening ... various items that seemed to be getting worse rather than 
better.

I sure hope Apple get a handle on some of these things soon, and I've said 
so to them in as nice a way as I could!

Carol P

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  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:47 PM
  Subject: RE: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!


  That’s a problem.  I’ve experienced it with radio stations I’ve 
previously listened to as well as with the hourly news app playing.







  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:24 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!



  Today my phone did another strange thing.  It suddenly started to play my 
music, where I'd left off a few days ago.  I wasn't anywhere near my phone so 
didn't tap, flick or anything but was able to hear the music and identify it.  
I haven't had any incoming calls since yesterday ...Hmm! Will always have to 
remember to turn my phone off before any meetings, just in case ...



  Carol P









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Re: How do I use Siri, and where can I find a user's guide for iOs8.1.1?

[Kerri G]

Hello.

Yes, Kevin, you depress and hold the home button until a double beep is heard. 
You can ask siri to name that tune if you have IOS8 installed, you can ask to 
compose texts, open web sites etc. I used to use an iPhone 4 so I know how neat 
the  upgrade to our 5S was because of siri. the thing is I don’t use her much 
though.
> On Dec 3, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
>  
> Tomorrow I get my iPhone 5C, and I have two questions about it.
>  
> First, how does Siri work?  If I understand things correctly I hold the HOME 
> button until the phone gives feedback, then I tell Siri what I want.  This is 
> how you tell the iPhone 4 to do basic commands such as call a number or play 
> a song.  What all can you do with Siri?  I’ve been a happy user of the iPhone 
> 4, but I got a great deal on the iPhone 5C, so I’m an eager user waiting for 
> it to come so I can use Siri.
>  
> My second question may give me all the information I need regarding Siri.  
> Where can I find a user’s guide that can be read with a screen reader on a 
> PC?  It needs to be for the iPhone 5c, iOs 8.1.1 or both.  If this can’t be 
> accessed with the PC, where do I find it on my phone?  How do I get to it 
> with Safari?  I’ve very rarely used Safari, so if I need toaccess this 
> browser what do I do to get to the user’s guide?
>  
> That’s all I can think of for now.  I’m looking forward to my new phone, and 
> I can’t wait to use Siri to find out some information about a former 
> Cincinnati Bengals football player.  We’ll see how good Siri is.
>  
> Thanks in advance for help on this.
>  
> Don’t work too hard.
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: Apple TV

[matthew dyer]

Hi. Triple clicking the play button before setup should unable co.
HTH.

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> On Dec 3, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Isaac Hebert  wrote:
> 
> I think you can enable accessibility from the remote but I am not for sure  
> but in case if I am wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks about 
> using the apple tv
>  with voiceover. 
> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list,
>> 
>> Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my 
>> friendly UPS driver...
>> 
>> The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to setup, 
>> or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on there for the 
>> device?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for the assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> Peter 
>> 
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Re: Roku accessibility?

[John Diakogeorgiou]

The two products being compared do totally different things so can't
really be compared.

On 12/3/14, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona  wrote:
> what about viewing it off of wifi?
> and can you watch live tv as well off of wifi
>
> On 12/3/2014 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Had to chime in if you have the money I would highly suggest Tivo as
>> the app is mostly accessible and if you are a cable subscriber it is
>> well worth the money. The box itself is not accessible at all so you
>> will need sighted assistance setting it up but once you are setup and
>> install the app you will be able to control your tv recordings and
>> play anything on your tiro box on any wifi network on your phone.
>> Check it out.
>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:38 PM, MamaPeach > > wrote:
>>
>>> *Roku is awesome, but it is not accessible, unless it offered
>>> something that I never found on the device.*
>>> *From:* Patti Johnson 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 2:33 PM
>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: Roku accessibility?
>>> Oh, sorry!!!
>>> I however just did go up on their website and looked at what they
>>> offered and it is just amazing!!  I am half tempted to go to Best Buy
>>> and check out that tv.
>>> But I don't know why I want to torture myself, lol!
>>> Patti
>>> On 12/2/2014 2:32 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
 *Oh I was asking Merv, sorry about that, lol.*
 *From:* Patti Johnson 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 2:27 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
 *Subject:* Re: Roku accessibility?
 Oh I didn't, I just looked on their website.  But I did find out
 they actually have a tv with Roku built in it, it is a smart tv.
 Man, if wishes were horses!!
 Patti
 On 12/2/2014 2:26 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
> *My Roku does not have any kind of speech and I have the newest
> model. Where did you find speech on the Roku?*
> **
> *From:* Patti Johnson 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 1:37 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: Roku accessibility?
> **
> Me too. I would love to be a ble to use the Roku.  There is tons of
> stuff on that thing.
> Patti
> On 12/2/2014 1:31 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I had no idea the Roku had become the least bit accessible. I once
>> had a Roku and moved to the Apple TV to take advantage of voice
>> Over because I could no longer see to find my way around the apps
>> on the Roku interface on the television. As far as the phone app
>> goes, I had no trouble using the app for putting apps on the Roku
>> and taking apps off of the Roku. I had no difficulty changing
>> settings on the Roku. However, unless they changed things since I
>> went to the Apple TV a year ago I could not use the part of the
>> remote control on the app that let me go left and right and up and
>> down and select with the Roku remote app. That part never worked
>> with Voice Over turned on unless they fixed it in the last year
>> which is highly possible. Good luck with that and I would be
>> highly interested in your results.
>>
>> Merv
>>
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Re: Roku accessibility?

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

what about viewing it off of wifi?
and can you watch live tv as well off of wifi

On 12/3/2014 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
Had to chime in if you have the money I would highly suggest Tivo as 
the app is mostly accessible and if you are a cable subscriber it is 
well worth the money. The box itself is not accessible at all so you 
will need sighted assistance setting it up but once you are setup and 
install the app you will be able to control your tv recordings and 
play anything on your tiro box on any wifi network on your phone. 
Check it out.
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:38 PM, MamaPeach > wrote:


*Roku is awesome, but it is not accessible, unless it offered 
something that I never found on the device.*

*From:* Patti Johnson 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 2:33 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Roku accessibility?
Oh, sorry!!!
I however just did go up on their website and looked at what they 
offered and it is just amazing!!  I am half tempted to go to Best Buy 
and check out that tv.

But I don't know why I want to torture myself, lol!
Patti
On 12/2/2014 2:32 PM, MamaPeach wrote:

*Oh I was asking Merv, sorry about that, lol.*
*From:* Patti Johnson 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 2:27 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Roku accessibility?
Oh I didn't, I just looked on their website.  But I did find out 
they actually have a tv with Roku built in it, it is a smart tv.

Man, if wishes were horses!!
Patti
On 12/2/2014 2:26 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
*My Roku does not have any kind of speech and I have the newest 
model. Where did you find speech on the Roku?*

**
*From:* Patti Johnson 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 1:37 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Roku accessibility?
**
Me too. I would love to be a ble to use the Roku.  There is tons of 
stuff on that thing.

Patti
On 12/2/2014 1:31 PM, Merv Keck wrote:


Hi,

I had no idea the Roku had become the least bit accessible. I once 
had a Roku and moved to the Apple TV to take advantage of voice 
Over because I could no longer see to find my way around the apps 
on the Roku interface on the television. As far as the phone app 
goes, I had no trouble using the app for putting apps on the Roku 
and taking apps off of the Roku. I had no difficulty changing 
settings on the Roku. However, unless they changed things since I 
went to the Apple TV a year ago I could not use the part of the 
remote control on the app that let me go left and right and up and 
down and select with the Roku remote app. That part never worked 
with Voice Over turned on unless they fixed it in the last year 
which is highly possible. Good luck with that and I would be 
highly interested in your results.


Merv


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Re: Roku accessibility?

[Brian Fischler]

Had to chime in if you have the money I would highly suggest Tivo as the app is 
mostly accessible and if you are a cable subscriber it is well worth the money. 
The box itself is not accessible at all so you will need sighted assistance 
setting it up but once you are setup and install the app you will be able to 
control your tv recordings and play anything on your tiro box on any wifi 
network on your phone. Check it out.
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:38 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:

> Roku is awesome, but it is not accessible, unless it offered something that I 
> never found on the device.
>  
> From: Patti Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 2:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roku accessibility?
>  
> Oh, sorry!!!
> I however just did go up on their website and looked at what they offered and 
> it is just amazing!!  I am half tempted to go to Best Buy and check out that 
> tv.
> But I don't know why I want to torture myself, lol!
> Patti
> On 12/2/2014 2:32 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
>> Oh I was asking Merv, sorry about that, lol.
>>  
>> From: Patti Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 2:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roku accessibility?
>>  
>> Oh I didn't, I just looked on their website.  But I did find out they 
>> actually have a tv with Roku built in it, it is a smart tv.
>> Man, if wishes were horses!!
>> Patti
>> On 12/2/2014 2:26 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
>>> My Roku does not have any kind of speech and I have the newest model. Where 
>>> did you find speech on the Roku?
>>>  
>>> From: Patti Johnson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 1:37 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Roku accessibility?
>>>  
>>> Me too.  I would love to be a ble to use the Roku.  There is tons of stuff 
>>> on that thing.
>>> Patti
>>> On 12/2/2014 1:31 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I had no idea the Roku had become the least bit accessible. I once had a 
 Roku and moved to the Apple TV to take advantage of voice Over because I 
 could no longer see to find my way around the apps on the Roku interface 
 on the television. As far as the phone app goes, I had no trouble using 
 the app for putting apps on the Roku and taking apps off of the Roku. I 
 had no difficulty changing settings on the Roku. However, unless they 
 changed things since I went to the Apple TV a year ago I could not use the 
 part of the remote control on the app that let me go left and right and up 
 and down and select with the Roku remote app. That part never worked with 
 Voice Over turned on unless they fixed it in the last year which is highly 
 possible. Good luck with that and I would be highly interested in your 
 results.
 
 Merv
 
  
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Re: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

[David Chittenden]

I hope you are reporting this to Apple. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Dec 2014, at 07:13, carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone any idea what's causing some of this strange, erratic behaviour!
>  
> The first I remember was when Siri responded to the football results, but I 
> switched off that setting;  then we started to see all these funny keyboard 
> things happening ... various items that seemed to be getting worse rather 
> than better.
>  
> I sure hope Apple get a handle on some of these things soon, and I've said so 
> to them in as nice a way as I could!
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Donald Moore
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:47 PM
> Subject: RE: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!
> 
> That’s a problem.  I’ve experienced it with radio stations I’ve previously 
> listened to as well as with the hourly news app playing.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!
>  
> Today my phone did another strange thing.  It suddenly started to play my 
> music, where I'd left off a few days ago.  I wasn't anywhere near my phone so 
> didn't tap, flick or anything but was able to hear the music and identify it. 
>  I haven't had any incoming calls since yesterday ...Hmm! Will always have to 
> remember to turn my phone off before any meetings, just in case ...
>  
> Carol P
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Carol P
>  
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New iPad Mini 2

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all,

Only posting this here as it relates to iOS devices. I don't normally 
post general iOS chatter but I think an exception to the rule can apply 
here.
Just spoken to my father on the cellular. He asked if he can have 
something from his Amazon deliver to my address. An iPad Mini 2 for 
stepmother will be arriving. Yes she will be welcomed into the world of 
Apple for sure with her new iPad Mini 2 Christmas Day. How exciting! She 
has an iPod Nano but of course this isn't a fully fledged device and is 
certainly not running iOS. The iPad Mini 2 will come with 16 GB of 
Storage so she should be able to store about 8,000 songs and lots of photos.


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New iPad Mini 2

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all,

Only posting this here as it relates to iOS devices. I don't normally 
post general iOS chatter but I think an exception to the rule can apply 
here.
Just spoken to my father on the cellular. He asked if he can have 
something from his Amazon deliver to my address. An iPad Mini 2 for 
stepmother will be arriving. Yes she will be welcomed into the world of 
Apple for sure with her new iPad Mini 2 Christmas Day. How exciting! She 
has an iPod Nano but of course this isn't a fully fledged device and is 
certainly not running iOS. The iPad Mini 2 will come with 16 GB of 
Storage so she should be able to store about 8,000 songs and lots of photos.


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Re: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

[Kerri G]

Hi I  hav had this too lots lately

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:24 AM, carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> Today my phone did another strange thing.  It suddenly started to play my 
> music, where I'd left off a few days ago.  I  wasn't anywhere near my phone 
> so didn't tap, flick or anything but was able to hear the music and identify 
> it.  I haven't had any incoming calls since yesterday ...Hmm! Will always 
> have to remember to turn my phone off before any meetings, just in case ...
>  
> Carol P
>  
>  
>  
>  
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How do I use Siri, and where can I find a user's guide for iOs8.1.1?

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

 

Tomorrow I get my iPhone 5C, and I have two questions about it.

 

First, how does Siri work?  If I understand things correctly I hold the HOME
button until the phone gives feedback, then I tell Siri what I want.  This
is how you tell the iPhone 4 to do basic commands such as call a number or
play a song.  What all can you do with Siri?  I've been a happy user of the
iPhone 4, but I got a great deal on the iPhone 5C, so I'm an eager user
waiting for it to come so I can use Siri.

 

My second question may give me all the information I need regarding Siri.
Where can I find a user's guide that can be read with a screen reader on a
PC?  It needs to be for the iPhone 5c, iOs 8.1.1 or both.  If this can't be
accessed with the PC, where do I find it on my phone?  How do I get to it
with Safari?  I've very rarely used Safari, so if I need toaccess this
browser what do I do to get to the user's guide?

 

That's all I can think of for now.  I'm looking forward to my new phone, and
I can't wait to use Siri to find out some information about a former
Cincinnati Bengals football player.  We'll see how good Siri is.

 

Thanks in advance for help on this.

 

Don't work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: mBraille or what?

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all,
I'm sorry. i thought the person in question was usin the paid version. I 
will try not to assume this in the future.


On 03/12/2014 14:03, RobH. wrote:

Ok, that fixed it good;  thanks.

- Original Message -
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: mBraille or what?


Are you using the paid version or the free version of mBraille?
The fre version doesn't let you do the copy and paste, though you can use
the dot commands to send sms or tweat.
I'm using mBraille to write this in the paid version. When I am done
writing, I will hit the home button, go to your message, hit reply, turn the
rotor to  edit and flick to paste and double tap, and hit send.
Richard


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Sent from my iPhone 5S




On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:31 PM, RobH.  wrote:

Just got to try this,  wrote text in the normal input screen, then exited,
went to messages, open a text field, cranked round the rotor to find
edit,...   no edit, got braille input like you do on the rotor,  but no
edit
so I couldn't do all the cut/copy...  paste; I do like to paste.

This is iPhone 5S, with iOs 8.1.1.

Edit functions on an open text field is a bit fundamental and guess I'm
going to be pointed at a different list.

RobH.

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Re: [Bulk] feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Zoe,

This is precisely my experience too.  I too use the Greek language, and I also 
have to switch to Greek proper via the rotor rather than rely on automatic 
language switching.  I also reported it very strongly back in iOS 6 time when 
things went wrong with Greek.

Andrew
> On 3 Dec 2014, at 18:53, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi I can also confirm these bugs.  I use English and Greek.  Speech rate 
> changes on it's own, however in my case autodetect languages in mail, text 
> messages, notifications etc. works but doesn't work properly.  Meaning when 
> Greek text is detected voiceover starts speaking Greek, but it does it 
> improperly.  What do I mean you ask?  It reads letters instead of words and 
> sentences, and it reads some of the Greek letters in Greek and some in 
> English, so I hear 2 voices.  Of course as soon as the language is detected 
> since I know of this problem, I use the roter and switch languages and 
> problem solved and I'm able to hear the proper text by the proper voice.  I 
> have told apple about this way back in ios 6 but they haven't fixed it.  The 
> issue of the speech rate changing came with the latest update.
> I'm still happy that my iPhone can read my native tongue so no complaints, 
> and I am greatful that with the new and latest update Greek has been included 
> in the dictate feature that comes with voiceover accessability.  Before the 
> latest update I had to use dragon dictate for anything I wanted to write in 
> Greek but now I have the dictate, now only if they would add a Greek spell 
> check that would be great.
> Regards
> Zoe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Moore
> Sent: December-03-14 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user
> 
> Hi.  Can confirm.  same issue with English Canada and French.  same 
> issues with web language not changing and rate changing when I switch.
> thought maybe it was because I had the australian english voice as my 
> voice but guess not.
> Brian.
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> On 03/12/2014 10:37 AM, Kate Andrekson wrote:
>> My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is Spanish Spain
>> I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or if anyone else has 
>> seen this bug
>> Thanks
>> Kate
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 
>>> when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I 
>>> change language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate 
>>> becomes a lot faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, 
>>> the rate is even faster and sets itself to American English.
>>> The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
>>> cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
>>> until I change the language again.
>>> The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used 
>>> to either.
>>> Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, 
>>> but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that 
>>> used to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version 
>>> of the IOS.
>>> Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
>>> All the best,
>>> Marie
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Re: A few questions about my new iPhone 6

[Alex Hall]

Punctuation is already an option, but I don't know if it does symbols like math 
signs.
> On Dec 3, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> With handwriting: you swipe up/down with 3 fingers to switch between
> lowercase, uppercase, numbers and punctuation. Swipe left with two
> fingers to delete. There is currently a bug when you rodar to
> handwriting, where you have to write a letter in lowercase and erase
> it before you can switch to uppercase. I prefer writing in uppercase
> if possible though I can do lowercase letters too. Not sure if there
> is a handwriting option for symbols. Perhaps you can contact Apple
> Accessibility and suggest that it be added:
> accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> Good luck and welcome to the iPhone 6,
> Wayne
> 
> On 12/2/14, Brent Harding  wrote:
>> I think there's a little bit of a bug left with switching voices. Sometimes
>> you have to restart VO to make the switch happen.
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Sarah Clark
>>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 6:29 PM
>>  Subject: A few questions about my new iPhone 6
>> 
>> 
>>  Here are my questions...
>> 
>>  Voices: I downloaded both the VO enhanced voice and the Alex voice, and
>> then I swiped down and tapped activate, but neither one is starting. Is
>> there something else I need to do?
>> 
>>  Handwriting: I know this isn't a new feature, but I never used it in iOS 7
>> so its new to me.
>>  I added it to the rotor, but it says lower case when I start it...Is there
>> a way to be able to write with caps too?
>>  Is there a way to delete a character (other than leaving handwriting mode
>> and hitting the delete key on the keyboard)?
>>  Is there a way to write numbers, punctuation or math symbols like + and
>> -?
>> 
>>  Also, a question about folders... rather basic I know, but I haven't
>> really created any since I got my first iPhone 3 years ago so I don't
>> remember.
>>  In moving some apps around on the home screen, I have inadvertently
>> created some folders I didn't intend to create, and I would like to undo
>> their creation. How do you delete a folder? I don't want to delete the apps
>> inside the folder, just eliminate the folder itself so that the apps are not
>> inside one.
>> 
>>  Thanks,
>>  Sarah
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Cristóbal]

Along the same line... Even though I don't have Spanish Spain selected as one 
of my languages (I have Spanish Mexico instead), when switching to the Spanish 
language keyboard for dictation or typing, VO speaks the keyboard buttons with 
the Spanish Spain accent and not at the rate I have the alternate language set 
to. The actual text is indeed spoken with the proper accented Spanish language 
voice when I switch it via the rotor, but for this issue with the 
multi-language keyboards.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Zoe Fiogkos
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

Hi I can also confirm these bugs.  I use English and Greek.  Speech rate 
changes on it's own, however in my case autodetect languages in mail, text 
messages, notifications etc. works but doesn't work properly.  Meaning when 
Greek text is detected voiceover starts speaking Greek, but it does it 
improperly.  What do I mean you ask?  It reads letters instead of words and 
sentences, and it reads some of the Greek letters in Greek and some in English, 
so I hear 2 voices.  Of course as soon as the language is detected since I know 
of this problem, I use the roter and switch languages and problem solved and 
I'm able to hear the proper text by the proper voice.  I have told apple about 
this way back in ios 6 but they haven't fixed it.  The issue of the speech rate 
changing came with the latest update.
I'm still happy that my iPhone can read my native tongue so no complaints, and 
I am greatful that with the new and latest update Greek has been included in 
the dictate feature that comes with voiceover accessability.  Before the latest 
update I had to use dragon dictate for anything I wanted to write in Greek but 
now I have the dictate, now only if they would add a Greek spell check that 
would be great.
Regards
Zoe

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brian Moore
Sent: December-03-14 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

Hi.  Can confirm.  same issue with English Canada and French.  same issues with 
web language not changing and rate changing when I switch.
thought maybe it was because I had the australian english voice as my voice but 
guess not.
Brian.

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On 03/12/2014 10:37 AM, Kate Andrekson wrote:
> My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is 
> Spanish Spain I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or 
> if anyone else has seen this bug Thanks Kate
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 
>> when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I change 
>> language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate becomes a lot 
>> faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, the rate is 
>> even faster and sets itself to American English.
>> The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
>> cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
>> until I change the language again.
>> The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used to 
>> either.
>> Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, 
>> but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that 
>> used to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version of 
>> the IOS.
>> Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
>> All the best,
>> Marie
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RE: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi I can also confirm these bugs.  I use English and Greek.  Speech rate 
changes on it's own, however in my case autodetect languages in mail, text 
messages, notifications etc. works but doesn't work properly.  Meaning when 
Greek text is detected voiceover starts speaking Greek, but it does it 
improperly.  What do I mean you ask?  It reads letters instead of words and 
sentences, and it reads some of the Greek letters in Greek and some in English, 
so I hear 2 voices.  Of course as soon as the language is detected since I know 
of this problem, I use the roter and switch languages and problem solved and 
I'm able to hear the proper text by the proper voice.  I have told apple about 
this way back in ios 6 but they haven't fixed it.  The issue of the speech rate 
changing came with the latest update.
I'm still happy that my iPhone can read my native tongue so no complaints, and 
I am greatful that with the new and latest update Greek has been included in 
the dictate feature that comes with voiceover accessability.  Before the latest 
update I had to use dragon dictate for anything I wanted to write in Greek but 
now I have the dictate, now only if they would add a Greek spell check that 
would be great.
Regards
Zoe

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brian Moore
Sent: December-03-14 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

Hi.  Can confirm.  same issue with English Canada and French.  same 
issues with web language not changing and rate changing when I switch.
thought maybe it was because I had the australian english voice as my 
voice but guess not.
Brian.

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On 03/12/2014 10:37 AM, Kate Andrekson wrote:
> My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is Spanish Spain
> I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or if anyone else has 
> seen this bug
> Thanks
> Kate
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 
>> when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I change 
>> language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate becomes a lot 
>> faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, the rate is 
>> even faster and sets itself to American English.
>> The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
>> cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
>> until I change the language again.
>> The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used to 
>> either.
>> Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, 
>> but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that 
>> used to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version of 
>> the IOS.
>> Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
>> All the best,
>> Marie
>>
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Re: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

[carol.pearso...@googlemail.com]

Anyone any idea what's causing some of this strange, erratic behaviour!

The first I remember was when Siri responded to the football results, but I 
switched off that setting;  then we started to see all these funny keyboard 
things happening ... various items that seemed to be getting worse rather than 
better.

I sure hope Apple get a handle on some of these things soon, and I've said so 
to them in as nice a way as I could!

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Donald Moore 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:47 PM
  Subject: RE: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!


  That’s a problem.  I’ve experienced it with radio stations I’ve previously 
listened to as well as with the hourly news app playing.

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:24 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

   

  Today my phone did another strange thing.  It suddenly started to play my 
music, where I'd left off a few days ago.  I wasn't anywhere near my phone so 
didn't tap, flick or anything but was able to hear the music and identify it.  
I haven't had any incoming calls since yesterday ...Hmm! Will always have to 
remember to turn my phone off before any meetings, just in case ...

   

  Carol P

   

   

   

   

  Carol P

   

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Re: the roter, and the learning curve

[carol.pearso...@googlemail.com]

I usually leave mine to characters or words.  There are times when you 
inadvertently move the rotor and/or flick down/up with your finger and, if 
set to Headers, as yours was when you wrote, that's what you'll hear, the 
fact that there were no headers found on the screen.


You'll have to experiment with the best way of twisting that rotor for 
yourself.  We all do it our own way.  I hold the phone still with one hand 
as I turn two fingers clockwise, or anticlockwise.  It was a bit difficult 
at first but, once I'd got it, there was no real problem.


Carol P

- Original Message - 
From: "Deidre Muccio" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: the roter, and the learning curve


Funny thing is that I haven't seen any similar devices in years that had
push button controls rather than sliding ones, and I'm really not that daft.
Someone was just here and told me to push them!
What do I want the roter set on for basic navigating on home screen
or in apps? Words? Characters? Top of page? I suppose on web pages I'd want
something different. I'll reread that section of the book I am using.

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Re: A few questions about my new iPhone 6

[Wayne Merritt]

With handwriting: you swipe up/down with 3 fingers to switch between
lowercase, uppercase, numbers and punctuation. Swipe left with two
fingers to delete. There is currently a bug when you rodar to
handwriting, where you have to write a letter in lowercase and erase
it before you can switch to uppercase. I prefer writing in uppercase
if possible though I can do lowercase letters too. Not sure if there
is a handwriting option for symbols. Perhaps you can contact Apple
Accessibility and suggest that it be added:
accessibil...@apple.com

Good luck and welcome to the iPhone 6,
Wayne

On 12/2/14, Brent Harding  wrote:
> I think there's a little bit of a bug left with switching voices. Sometimes
> you have to restart VO to make the switch happen.
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Sarah Clark
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 6:29 PM
>   Subject: A few questions about my new iPhone 6
>
>
>   Here are my questions...
>
>   Voices: I downloaded both the VO enhanced voice and the Alex voice, and
> then I swiped down and tapped activate, but neither one is starting. Is
> there something else I need to do?
>
>   Handwriting: I know this isn't a new feature, but I never used it in iOS 7
> so its new to me.
>   I added it to the rotor, but it says lower case when I start it...Is there
> a way to be able to write with caps too?
>   Is there a way to delete a character (other than leaving handwriting mode
> and hitting the delete key on the keyboard)?
>   Is there a way to write numbers, punctuation or math symbols like + and
> -?
>
>   Also, a question about folders... rather basic I know, but I haven't
> really created any since I got my first iPhone 3 years ago so I don't
> remember.
>   In moving some apps around on the home screen, I have inadvertently
> created some folders I didn't intend to create, and I would like to undo
> their creation. How do you delete a folder? I don't want to delete the apps
> inside the folder, just eliminate the folder itself so that the apps are not
> inside one.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Sarah
>
>
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Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Brian Moore]

Hi.  Can confirm.  same issue with English Canada and French.  same 
issues with web language not changing and rate changing when I switch.
thought maybe it was because I had the australian english voice as my 
voice but guess not.

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On 03/12/2014 10:37 AM, Kate Andrekson wrote:

My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is Spanish Spain
I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or if anyone else has 
seen this bug
Thanks
Kate

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:

Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 when 
handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I change 
language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate becomes a lot 
faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, the rate is even 
faster and sets itself to American English.
The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
until I change the language again.
The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used to 
either.
Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, but 
bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that used to 
work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version of the IOS.
Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
All the best,
Marie

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bluetooth speakers for O-and-M training

[Richard Turner]

I just had a question from one of our Orientation and Mobility instructors 
about a bluetooth speaker that is more portable than the BeatBox, but has good 
volume so he can use it to help teach folks how to use Blind Square and other 
GPS related apps when out on a lesson.
One client carried the BeatBox in her purse and that worked fine, but unless we 
ask our male clients to start carrying purses, the BeatBox might be a little 
challenging to carry around.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Richard


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Re: Brailliant BI and iOS 8.1.1

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hebblo, I will try this the next time it happens. Right now I'm using the 
display to write this message. I'm using contracted Braille for both input and 
output. I'm also using the auto-translation for the contracted Braille. So far 
it's behaved fine. I removed the pairing information and paired it again in 
case things didn't connect properly. Also, since I've seen this with 2 
different Brailliant displays I am comforted that it's not a problem with the 
hardware of just 1 unit. I'll write more if something else comes up or changes.



> On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Anisio Correia  
> wrote:
> 
> When this happens to me, pressing the spacebar on the braille display usually 
> does the trick.
> 
> Anisio Correia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Hope Paulos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there. I had this in iOS 7, as well, but forgetting then re-pairing  the 
>> device works… Now my display does not do this… I have  a BI 32.
>> 
>> Hope Paulos
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all. Wondering if anyone has issues with the Humanware Brailliant BI
>>> Braille display locking up when using it with an iPhone on iOS 8.1.1. I have
>>> a display and after a while of moving around and editing the display
>>> freezes. The phone continues to speak without issues, but I have to turn off
>>> the display, lock the phone, and then turn on the display again and start
>>> over in order for things to work right again. I don't have a way to compare
>>> if this was the issue with iOS 7.x or if it might be an on-going issue with
>>> the Brailliant display. Ideas and/or suggestions welcome.
>>> 
>>> I've already removed and paired the display again and I have no connection
>>> issues. Just the freezing issues, and yet there seems to be no pattern in
>>> when it happens.
>>> 
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Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Dillon Collier]

dillon collier


> On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Kate Andrekson  wrote:
> 
> My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is Spanish Spain
> I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or if anyone else has 
> seen this bug
> Thanks
> Kate
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 
>> when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I change 
>> language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate becomes a lot 
>> faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, the rate is 
>> even faster and sets itself to American English.
>> The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
>> cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
>> until I change the language again.
>> The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used to 
>> either.
>> Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, 
>> but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that 
>> used to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version of 
>> the IOS.
>> Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
>> All the best,
>> Marie
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> that show me affection the next update is being worked on by developers i'm 
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RE: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

[Donald Moore]

That’s a problem.  I’ve experienced it with radio stations I’ve previously 
listened to as well as with the hourly news app playing.

 

 

 

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carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

 

Today my phone did another strange thing.  It suddenly started to play my 
music, where I'd left off a few days ago.  I wasn't anywhere near my phone so 
didn't tap, flick or anything but was able to hear the music and identify it.  
I haven't had any incoming calls since yesterday ...Hmm! Will always have to 
remember to turn my phone off before any meetings, just in case ...

 

Carol P

 

 

 

 

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Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Kate Andrekson]

My default language is also UK and the other one in my rotor is Spanish Spain
I am wondering if this might be a bug with your phone or if anyone else has 
seen this bug
Thanks
Kate

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 
> when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I change 
> language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate becomes a lot 
> faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, the rate is 
> even faster and sets itself to American English.
> The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
> cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
> until I change the language again.
> The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used to 
> either.
> Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, 
> but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that used 
> to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version of the 
> IOS.
> Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
> All the best,
> Marie
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ANOTHER STRANGE THING!

[carol.pearso...@googlemail.com]

Today my phone did another strange thing.  It suddenly started to play my 
music, where I'd left off a few days ago.  I wasn't anywhere near my phone so 
didn't tap, flick or anything but was able to hear the music and identify it.  
I haven't had any incoming calls since yesterday ...Hmm! Will always have to 
remember to turn my phone off before any meetings, just in case ...

Carol P




Carol P

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Re: Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Bit of a rant followed by an answer here, but sometimes the amount of
replies to questions on this list that are next to useless astounds
me. Additionally, the amount of questions that could be answered by a
very simple Google search is also astounding. Whenever I consider if I
should ask a question of the list, I first ponder if instead of
waiting for potentially hours for someone to answer it I can spend a
couple of minutes trying to Google for the solution. For example,
performing a Google search for "apple TV voiceover" produces many
useful results, the top three of which contain instructions as to how
it can be enabled.

However, to answer your question:

1. Plug Apple TV into your TV using a HDMI cable. If purchased from
Apple a HDMI cable will not be supplied.
2. Change the input on your TV to the HDMI port that you have plugged
the Apple TV into.
3. Plug the Apple TV into an electrical outlet.
4. If all is well after a minute you should hear instructions
pertaining to the enabling of VoiceOver.
5. Press the play button (bottom right on the remote with the circle
of buttons facing away from you) 3 times at the same sort of speed
that you would triple click home. VoiceOver should now be enabled.

NB: if you have AV receivers that you will be connecting through the
steps may be slightly different, but the triple click part will remain
the same.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/3/14, Isaac Hebert  wrote:
> I think you can enable accessibility from the remote but I am not for sure
> but in case if I am wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks about
> using the apple tv
>  with voiceover.
> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my
>> friendly UPS driver...
>>
>> The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to
>> setup, or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on there
>> for the device?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the assistance.
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: mBraille or what?

[RobH.]

Ok, that fixed it good;  thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: mBraille or what?


Are you using the paid version or the free version of mBraille?
The fre version doesn't let you do the copy and paste, though you can use 
the dot commands to send sms or tweat.
I'm using mBraille to write this in the paid version. When I am done 
writing, I will hit the home button, go to your message, hit reply, turn the 
rotor to  edit and flick to paste and double tap, and hit send.
Richard


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Sent from my iPhone 5S



> On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:31 PM, RobH.  wrote:
>
> Just got to try this,  wrote text in the normal input screen, then exited,
> went to messages, open a text field, cranked round the rotor to find
> edit,...   no edit, got braille input like you do on the rotor,  but no 
> edit
> so I couldn't do all the cut/copy...  paste; I do like to paste.
>
> This is iPhone 5S, with iOs 8.1.1.
>
> Edit functions on an open text field is a bit fundamental and guess I'm
> going to be pointed at a different list.
>
> RobH.
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Re: Apple TV

[Isaac Hebert]

I think you can enable accessibility from the remote but I am not for sure  but 
in case if I am wrong here is a podcast that I found that talks about using the 
apple tv
 with voiceover. 
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-accessibility-apple-tv
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my 
> friendly UPS driver...
> 
> The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to setup, 
> or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on there for the 
> device?
> 
> Thanks in advance for the assistance.
> 
> 
> Peter 
> 
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Re: mBraille or what?

[RobH.]

oBugga!I did pay, not sure I went through that update when I 
reinstalled on to the new 5S.  I had been in its settings, so it did keep my 
last effort; and yes, I did get to use the .sms command.  How do I check if 
it needs that thing whose name escapes me,  but don't have to go through the 
whole paying mechanism again?

I'll look and check, though prefer to know what I'm doing.

Daa!...   R.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: mBraille or what?


Are you using the paid version or the free version of mBraille?
The fre version doesn't let you do the copy and paste, though you can use 
the dot commands to send sms or tweat.
I'm using mBraille to write this in the paid version. When I am done 
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Richard


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Sent from my iPhone 5S



> On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:31 PM, RobH.  wrote:
>
> Just got to try this,  wrote text in the normal input screen, then exited,
> went to messages, open a text field, cranked round the rotor to find
> edit,...   no edit, got braille input like you do on the rotor,  but no 
> edit
> so I couldn't do all the cut/copy...  paste; I do like to paste.
>
> This is iPhone 5S, with iOs 8.1.1.
>
> Edit functions on an open text field is a bit fundamental and guess I'm
> going to be pointed at a different list.
>
> RobH.
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Re: the roter, and the learning curve

[Michelle Bernstein]

Deidre,  If you use the router to navigate newspaper sections, you may want
to have it set to headings.
I sometimes have difficulties navigating the newspaper by heading, but that
is just me- everyone
else seems to do well with having it on headings for that purpose.  Michelle
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:

> Funny thing is that I haven't seen any similar devices in years that had
> push button controls rather than sliding ones, and I'm really not that
> daft.
> Someone was just here and told me to push them!
> What do I want the roter set on for basic navigating on home screen
> or in apps? Words? Characters? Top of page? I suppose on web pages I'd want
> something different. I'll reread that section of the book I am using.
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RE: the roter, and the learning curve

[Deidre Muccio]

Don't spend the 99 cents, that's funny. I did the practice gestures' that I
found in settings on the phone. I don't have any trouble with the different
movements like the roter turning movement, or a three finger swipe with
fingers slightly separated. I just need to learn what is on different pages
and where buttons are and how different apps present their layout. For
example when Siri is telling me something irrelevant to what I asked, what
gesture do I use to stop her then get out of that screen? Do I Hit the home
button, swipe to go back a screen, etc. Those are the basics I need to get
firmly entrenched in my mind. Same goes for getting in and out of apps. I'll
read on or look for some tutorials.
I guess As everyone is saying, I'll get there. I just don't enjoy trial and
error, I'd rather learn step by step, though that doesn't seem to be working
as I would have hoped. Now the phone is making noises at me and I have no
clue what it is telling me. I went into sound settings the other day but
didn't know what would be useful nor if I could change settings wherever I
am, such as you can do with a screen reader.  On the other hand, I could
have answered some questions that came up on list when I was reading the
section on configuring your new phone and what was happening screen by
screen or dialogue box by dialogue box. I'll try to keep my questions as a
beginner to a minimum.  

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RE: Apple TV

[Tom Rash]

During the set up, it should come on. 

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Subject: Apple TV

Hello list,

Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my
friendly UPS driver...

The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to setup,
or will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on there for the
device?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.


Peter 

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Apple TV

[Peter Logan]

Hello list,

Will be getting the latest version of the Apple TV later today via my friendly 
UPS driver...

The question is, can Voice Over be turned on from the remote prior to setup, or 
will I need to connect to ITunes and turn accessibility on there for the device?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.


Peter 

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RE: the roter, and the learning curve

[Deidre Muccio]

Funny thing is that I haven't seen any similar devices in years that had
push button controls rather than sliding ones, and I'm really not that daft.
Someone was just here and told me to push them! 
What do I want the roter set on for basic navigating on home screen
or in apps? Words? Characters? Top of page? I suppose on web pages I'd want
something different. I'll reread that section of the book I am using. 

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Re: the roter, and the learning curve

[Michelle Bernstein]

Vo looktel tutorial is a useful beginner app to practice the very basic 
gestures of using voiceover.  I found it helpful although limited.  I do not 
recommend spending the vast sum of 99 cents to purchase the vo starter app 
which I did not find helpful at all.  If you are a true beginner, as I am with 
assistive technology and using voiceover, learning the rotor is a frustrating 
process.  It does get better, slowly, over time I promise.

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Re: the roter, and the learning curve

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd suggest just practicing with the roter gesture. The trick is that 
you have to move your two fingers in opposite directions. This could be 
like turning a rotary dial, or you could just slide one finger up while 
sliding the other down or one to the right while sliding the other to 
the left.


If you're holding your phone so the touch screen is facing you and the 
home button is on the bottom front then your volume buttons are on the 
left side near the top. There will be a switch that you can move towards 
the face of the phone or towards the back of the phone. This is the mute 
button. Just below that are two round buttons for volume up and volume down.


The back button will always be in the uppter left hand corner. You can 
get to this by just exploring that part of the screen with your finger, 
or you can do a two finger swipe up to start reading the screen from the 
top. If there's a back button, it'll be the first object read by 
VoiceOver. If you miss it, you can just do a single finger flick to the 
left to get back there. There's also the scrub gesture, which you can do 
by placing two fingers on the screen and then swiping them back and 
forth in a z shape. This will perform a double tap on the back button if 
it exists.


On 12/03/2014 06:48 AM, Deidre Muccio wrote:

Help! I was playing around to see how the roter worked. It seemed
complicated because in settings there is a lot to do with the roter. I went
to some screen, maybe the home page and simply tried to make the gesture. I
stopped or tapped on heading. Now every screen I'm on says "no heading
found." How do I get rid of that?
Also how do you get to the volume control wherever you are? There is
supposed to be a physical place on the phone to turn it up or down on the
left edge at the top - I'm using an old 4S - but though I feel a few tiny
little switches, they don't seem to move. I find a volume button a lot but
often I'm on a page without one, or maybe I'm just missing it, like the back
button which is sometimes hard for me to find and other times I can keep
moving back and back.
As for the learning curve even with a book, it's 3 steps forward, 2
steps back.

Deidre



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Re: the roter, and the learning curve

[Feliciano G]

I recommend you to download a application by the name of VO tutorial by 
looktel. It is a game where you can learn how to use voice over gestures.  
Maybe you turn down the voiceover volume on the road or, maybe that is why 
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> On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:48 AM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> 
> Help! I was playing around to see how the roter worked. It seemed
> complicated because in settings there is a lot to do with the roter. I went
> to some screen, maybe the home page and simply tried to make the gesture. I
> stopped or tapped on heading. Now every screen I'm on says "no heading
> found." How do I get rid of that?
> Also how do you get to the volume control wherever you are? There is
> supposed to be a physical place on the phone to turn it up or down on the
> left edge at the top - I'm using an old 4S - but though I feel a few tiny
> little switches, they don't seem to move. I find a volume button a lot but
> often I'm on a page without one, or maybe I'm just missing it, like the back
> button which is sometimes hard for me to find and other times I can keep
> moving back and back. 
>As for the learning curve even with a book, it's 3 steps forward, 2
> steps back.
> 
>Deidre
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Re: the roter, and the learning curve

[Ari Moisio]

Hi


Basically you select the rotor what function up/down swipe will do and you 
have probably selected move by headings. Try to select some other 
movement with the rotor.


To use the rotor image a big,round coin at the center of the screen. now 
move  two fingers around the edge of this imaginary coin  like tryin to 
rotate it.
(Dont put a real, physical coin on the screen, it will not work) Maybe a 
round cookie will do:-).


Volume buttons  are  push buttons and they usuaaly affect the sound that 
is currently playing so is you want to adjust volume level of certain 
pplication make sure VO is not talking at the same time.


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Subject: the roter, and the learning curve
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:48:30 -0500
From: Deidre Muccio 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Help! I was playing around to see how the roter worked. It seemed
complicated because in settings there is a lot to do with the roter. I went
to some screen, maybe the home page and simply tried to make the gesture. I
stopped or tapped on heading. Now every screen I'm on says "no heading
found." How do I get rid of that?
Also how do you get to the volume control wherever you are? There is
supposed to be a physical place on the phone to turn it up or down on the
left edge at the top - I'm using an old 4S - but though I feel a few tiny
little switches, they don't seem to move. I find a volume button a lot but
often I'm on a page without one, or maybe I'm just missing it, like the back
button which is sometimes hard for me to find and other times I can keep
moving back and back.
As for the learning curve even with a book, it's 3 steps forward, 2
steps back.

Deidre

the roter, and the learning curve

[Deidre Muccio]

Help! I was playing around to see how the roter worked. It seemed
complicated because in settings there is a lot to do with the roter. I went
to some screen, maybe the home page and simply tried to make the gesture. I
stopped or tapped on heading. Now every screen I'm on says "no heading
found." How do I get rid of that?
Also how do you get to the volume control wherever you are? There is
supposed to be a physical place on the phone to turn it up or down on the
left edge at the top - I'm using an old 4S - but though I feel a few tiny
little switches, they don't seem to move. I find a volume button a lot but
often I'm on a page without one, or maybe I'm just missing it, like the back
button which is sometimes hard for me to find and other times I can keep
moving back and back. 
As for the learning curve even with a book, it's 3 steps forward, 2
steps back.

Deidre

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Re: feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Marie,

Have you reported it to accessibil...@apple.com?  This would be helpful.

Andrew
> On 3 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Marie BAISEZ  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with IOS8.11 
> when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., when I change 
> language on the roter from English to French, the speech rate becomes a lot 
> faster and when I go back to English UK, my default language, the rate is 
> even faster and sets itself to American English.
> The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
> cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles matters 
> until I change the language again.
> The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it used to 
> either.
> Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as this, 
> but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that something that used 
> to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly improved version of the 
> IOS.
> Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
> All the best,
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feedback from a multi-lingual user

[Marie BAISEZ]

Hi all, I can confirm that Voice Over doesn't perform as well with 
IOS8.11 when handling more than one language, on my IPod Touch 5 gen., 
when I change language on the roter from English to French, the speech 
rate becomes a lot faster and when I go back to English UK, my default 
language, the rate is even faster and sets itself to American English.
The speech rate hasn't been changed in the Voice Over settings however, 
cranking it up a bit and resetting it to my preferred speed settles 
matters until I change the language again.
The automatic language doesn't change automatically on the web as it 
used to either.
Minor bugs really, especially when you can go round them as easily as 
this, but bugs all the same, and disappointing to find out that 
something that used to work flawlessly doesn't  anymore in a supposedly 
improved version of the IOS.

Just my 2 Euro-scents on this matter.
All the best,
Marie

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Re: mBraille or what?

[Richard Turner]

Are you using the paid version or the free version of mBraille?
The fre version doesn't let you do the copy and paste, though you can use the 
dot commands to send sms or tweat.
I'm using mBraille to write this in the paid version. When I am done writing, I 
will hit the home button, go to your message, hit reply, turn the rotor to  
edit and flick to paste and double tap, and hit send.
Richard


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> On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:31 PM, RobH.  wrote:
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> Just got to try this,  wrote text in the normal input screen, then exited, 
> went to messages, open a text field, cranked round the rotor to find 
> edit,...   no edit, got braille input like you do on the rotor,  but no edit 
> so I couldn't do all the cut/copy...  paste; I do like to paste.
> 
> This is iPhone 5S, with iOs 8.1.1.
> 
> Edit functions on an open text field is a bit fundamental and guess I'm 
> going to be pointed at a different list.
> 
> RobH. 
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