RE: daisy books and voice dream reader

[Cristóbal]

I honestly haven’t transferred a book via iTunes in I don’t know how long. I 
generally do this either via VoiceDreamReader itself and my Google Drive 
account or through FileBrowser which is a file management app that handles all 
sorts of cloud services, NAS drives and computers on your network.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Morales
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: daisy books and voice dream reader

 

Hi all,

I have the following situation,

1.  I am fighting with iTunes.
2.  iTunes is winning.
3.  I have some daisy books that I created with a program in my computer, I 
am trying to upload those books to be read through voice dream reader in my 
iPhone
4.  I can’t find the way how this process was done before. iTunes has 
change so much.

 

Anybody  can help me to transfer some daisy books from my Pc, to my iPhone to 
be read through voice dream reader?

 

5.   
6.   

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WhatsApp Call-Record?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, list.

Is there a way that I can retrieve my WhatApps call-record to a particular
individual? Let's sey if police wants to see the frequency of my calling
tendency to a certain individual and asks me to furnish the record, would I
be able doing that? If yes, how can this be done, please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: used i phone x

[Kelly Pierce]

also, the vast majority of people on this list are heterosexual not gay.

Kelly

On 12/4/17, lenron brown  wrote:
> Yeah I would just bring it back with in the 14 days. You not going to
> find them at a used price. Anyone that's selling one is going to
> probably make a bundle off of it right now.
>
> On 12/4/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> You might have to wait a bit longer for those to show up, right now Apple
>> can’t even supply enough new ones for those who want them and I doubt a
>> lot
>> of people who get one will sell it a few days later. If somebody really
>> hated it they would probably bring it back to Apple within the allowable
>> return period and exchange it fore an 8 or 8 Plus.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of mobenga coco
>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:42 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: used i phone x
>>
>> hi gays
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Re: iPhone X and first impressions...

[Apple Nerd]

So I got to play around with one on Friday and I've noticed it's really 
sensitive. But I really like how it feels in the hand but the phone is kind of 
slippery. anyways, The main issue I was having was swiping up to the home 
screen. I was able to unlock the phone but in apps like messages I couldn't 
find the home indicator. but other than that I really love the phone even 
though I only had it for about 15 minutes. 

Sent from my iPod

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> While getting no benefit from the snazzy screen, I now understand why
> some blind people would spend the extra money on the iPhone X. It is
> futuristic. This will be the design and interface that will eventually
> be incorporated into all iPhones. Some want to live the future now
> rather than later.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 12/4/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> It's interesting how the lack of the home button and having to learn the new
>> gestures seems to bother some people a lot. I think it's not so different
>> from learning how to use a touch screen device in the first place, I know
>> several people who fought it hand and foot, but when they finally had to
>> choice and got an iPhone and learned how to use it they were for the most
>> part completely happy with the way it works and how accessible it is. I
>> think looking back a few years from now not having a home button and Touch
>> Id any more will be the same thing, we may look back on it with some font
>> memories but we'll have moved on and will be using the new devices with
>> equal ease. I'm sure Apple won't stop making things better and easier even
>> though I am equally sure we'll continue to deal with nasty bugs along the
>> way and all that.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Michael Maslo
>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone X and first impressions...
>> 
>> Hi Scott, I loved the iPhone X. I had a working perfectly with Apple Pay and
>> we're buying stuff from the App Store. It is fun and easy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ed,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I couldn’t agree with you more about the iPhone X. I have been using mine
>>> for 2 weeks now and every time I pick it up I am just amazed at hoe much I
>>> love using it. There is a little bit of a learning curve with this phone
>>> but after you have it for an hour or so that learning curve will be no
>>> more. Even my wife who is also blind was very nervous about using an
>>> iPhone without a Home button but she took right to it very quickly.
>>> 
>>> I am having one issue with it however. I cannot seem to use the
>>> AppStore with FaceID or for that matter when I set up ApplePay Cash
>>> earlier on my iPhone X I couldn’t use FaceID for that either . When I try
>>> and use it with FaceID on VoiceOver will say Double Click to Install or
>>> Double Click to pay but when I do that nothing happens. Are you able to
>>> use these with FaceID on your phone?
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> 
 On Dec 4, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I have recently received my beautiful new iPhone X. I love the design of
 this phone. The glass front and metal sides are what I loved about my
 first iPhone, the iPhone 4. I have been waiting for years for Apple to go
 back to this design.
 
 I have heard a ton of chatter about why the iPhone is not the phone for
 everyone, and why the iPhone 8 is better, but I am extremely glad that I
 went with the iPhone X. This phone has made me fall in love with the
 iPhone interface and the sheer quality of Apple’s craftsmanship all over
 again. I am completely blind and I have to use VoiceOver. The new home
 buttonless interface was a trick for about the first 20 to 30 mins I had
 the device. After that the gestures to unlock the phone and even get to
 the Notification Center or the control center  has become second nature.
 
 
 Closing apps….
 
 To close apps you will need to find the lower most part of the touch
 screen (The Home Indicator), you will hear VoiceOver make a little
 popping sound, and you will also feel the haptic feedback pop once as
 well. You then start to drag your finger up the screen and you will hear
 and feel  another pop. This second pop will indicate that you have
 performed the exit gesture properly, and you now should be back on your
 home screen.
 
 Opening the App Switcher….
 To open the App Switcher, you will have to find the lower most part of
 the touch screen (Home Indicator). You will drag your finger up the
 screen just like exiting out of an app, you will hear and feel the same
 indicators as exiting 

Re: iPhone X and first impressions...

[Kelly Pierce]

While getting no benefit from the snazzy screen, I now understand why
some blind people would spend the extra money on the iPhone X. It is
futuristic. This will be the design and interface that will eventually
be incorporated into all iPhones. Some want to live the future now
rather than later.

Kelly

On 12/4/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> It's interesting how the lack of the home button and having to learn the new
> gestures seems to bother some people a lot. I think it's not so different
> from learning how to use a touch screen device in the first place, I know
> several people who fought it hand and foot, but when they finally had to
> choice and got an iPhone and learned how to use it they were for the most
> part completely happy with the way it works and how accessible it is. I
> think looking back a few years from now not having a home button and Touch
> Id any more will be the same thing, we may look back on it with some font
> memories but we'll have moved on and will be using the new devices with
> equal ease. I'm sure Apple won't stop making things better and easier even
> though I am equally sure we'll continue to deal with nasty bugs along the
> way and all that.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Michael Maslo
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone X and first impressions...
>
> Hi Scott, I loved the iPhone X. I had a working perfectly with Apple Pay and
> we're buying stuff from the App Store. It is fun and easy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>>
>> I couldn’t agree with you more about the iPhone X. I have been using mine
>> for 2 weeks now and every time I pick it up I am just amazed at hoe much I
>> love using it. There is a little bit of a learning curve with this phone
>> but after you have it for an hour or so that learning curve will be no
>> more. Even my wife who is also blind was very nervous about using an
>> iPhone without a Home button but she took right to it very quickly.
>>
>> I am having one issue with it however. I cannot seem to use the
>> AppStore with FaceID or for that matter when I set up ApplePay Cash
>> earlier on my iPhone X I couldn’t use FaceID for that either . When I try
>> and use it with FaceID on VoiceOver will say Double Click to Install or
>> Double Click to pay but when I do that nothing happens. Are you able to
>> use these with FaceID on your phone?
>> Scott Rumery
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I have recently received my beautiful new iPhone X. I love the design of
>>> this phone. The glass front and metal sides are what I loved about my
>>> first iPhone, the iPhone 4. I have been waiting for years for Apple to go
>>> back to this design.
>>>
>>> I have heard a ton of chatter about why the iPhone is not the phone for
>>> everyone, and why the iPhone 8 is better, but I am extremely glad that I
>>> went with the iPhone X. This phone has made me fall in love with the
>>> iPhone interface and the sheer quality of Apple’s craftsmanship all over
>>> again. I am completely blind and I have to use VoiceOver. The new home
>>> buttonless interface was a trick for about the first 20 to 30 mins I had
>>> the device. After that the gestures to unlock the phone and even get to
>>> the Notification Center or the control center  has become second nature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Closing apps….
>>>
>>> To close apps you will need to find the lower most part of the touch
>>> screen (The Home Indicator), you will hear VoiceOver make a little
>>> popping sound, and you will also feel the haptic feedback pop once as
>>> well. You then start to drag your finger up the screen and you will hear
>>> and feel  another pop. This second pop will indicate that you have
>>> performed the exit gesture properly, and you now should be back on your
>>> home screen.
>>>
>>> Opening the App Switcher….
>>> To open the App Switcher, you will have to find the lower most part of
>>> the touch screen (Home Indicator). You will drag your finger up the
>>> screen just like exiting out of an app, you will hear and feel the same
>>> indicators as exiting an application, this time though you will keep
>>> draggingg past the exit app sound and haptic feedback. You will then keep
>>> dragging up to about the middle of the touch screen and you will hear and
>>> feel another indication letting you know that you are now opening the app
>>> switcher. Now you can use the typical gestures you normally use to close
>>> apps completely.
>>>
>>> Control Center and Notification Center…
>>>
>>> Getting in to the Control Center and Notification Center is much like
>>> exiting apps and getting into the App Switcher. Find the status bar at
>>> the top of the screen and  You will do a one finger 

Re: used i phone x

[lenron brown]

Yeah I would just bring it back with in the 14 days. You not going to
find them at a used price. Anyone that's selling one is going to
probably make a bundle off of it right now.

On 12/4/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> You might have to wait a bit longer for those to show up, right now Apple
> can’t even supply enough new ones for those who want them and I doubt a lot
> of people who get one will sell it a few days later. If somebody really
> hated it they would probably bring it back to Apple within the allowable
> return period and exchange it fore an 8 or 8 Plus.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of mobenga coco
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:42 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: used i phone x
>
> hi gays
> i want to get  a used i phone x
> thnx
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RE: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Amazon had it for $799 with extra filters, extra brushes, and extra wall 
bariers.
The 690 and other wireless ones are cheaper.
It's nice coming home to a clean house. You can schedule to clean while your 
gone.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

A lot of money for a vacuum cleaner.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Logan" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?


Yes, it works with Alexa ...  It was around $900 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
>
> Does it work with alexa?  Do you remember about how much it cost?
>
> Thanks,
> Lois
>
> -Original Message- From: Peter Logan
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?
>
> Scott,
>
> I have the Roomba 980.  Have had it now for about 1.5 years.  My apartment 
> is 500 sq. Ft.  For the most part Mr. Roboto (what I called him) does a 
> pretty good job.  I do sweep out corners every once in a while.  Does both 
> carpet and vinyl pretty good.  I also have a guide dog, so keeps the hair 
> down good.  I usually have him run 3 times a week.  Takes it about an hour 
> to complete .. I have it set to do 2 passes.
>
> The app is pretty accessible...however things like the battery gauge and 
> map aren’t.
>
> My only issue is that he seems to be stopping mid cycle quite regularly 
> with an error 17...and there is no reason it should be doing that.  Might 
> just need a good cleaning.  If I can’t find it, it has a locate 
> feature...so as long as it still has battery I can find it.
>
> If you have any other questions...just ask...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>>
>> Good Morning,
>>
>> I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
>> Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would 
>> be best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible 
>> with VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of 
>> the box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help 
>> in the house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help 
>> with this would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Rumery
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Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Andy Baracco]

A lot of money for a vacuum cleaner.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Logan" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?


Yes, it works with Alexa ...  It was around $900 


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:


Does it work with alexa?  Do you remember about how much it cost?

Thanks,
Lois

-Original Message- From: Peter Logan
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

Scott,

I have the Roomba 980.  Have had it now for about 1.5 years.  My apartment 
is 500 sq. Ft.  For the most part Mr. Roboto (what I called him) does a 
pretty good job.  I do sweep out corners every once in a while.  Does both 
carpet and vinyl pretty good.  I also have a guide dog, so keeps the hair 
down good.  I usually have him run 3 times a week.  Takes it about an hour 
to complete .. I have it set to do 2 passes.


The app is pretty accessible...however things like the battery gauge and 
map aren’t.


My only issue is that he seems to be stopping mid cycle quite regularly 
with an error 17...and there is no reason it should be doing that.  Might 
just need a good cleaning.  If I can’t find it, it has a locate 
feature...so as long as it still has battery I can find it.


If you have any other questions...just ask...

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would 
be best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible 
with VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of 
the box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help 
in the house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help 
with this would be greatly appreciated.


Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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RE: daisy books and voice dream reader

[Pablo Morales]

Thank you so much for your advice. I did, and it worked great.

I have an additional question about voice dream. Is there a way to extend the 
pause time after a period or after a coma in the syntetizer voice for this 
program?

Thanks in advance,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 7:56 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: daisy books and voice dream reader

 

Hello Pablo,

 

The easiest thing would be to zip each book, put them in Dropbox, and then use 
the Dropbox option in Voice Dream Reader to open them.

 

HTH,

Anna

 

 





On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Pablo Morales  > wrote:

 

Hi all,

I have the following situation,

1.  I am fighting with iTunes.
2.  iTunes is winning.
3.  I have some daisy books that I created with a program in my computer, I 
am trying to upload those books to be read through voice dream reader in my 
iPhone
4.  I can’t find the way how this process was done before iTunes has change 
so much.

 

Anybody  can help me to transfer some daisy books from my Pc, to my iPhone to 
be read through voice dream reader?

 

5.   
6.   

 

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RE: iPhone X and first impressions...

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It's interesting how the lack of the home button and having to learn the new 
gestures seems to bother some people a lot. I think it's not so different from 
learning how to use a touch screen device in the first place, I know several 
people who fought it hand and foot, but when they finally had to choice and got 
an iPhone and learned how to use it they were for the most part completely 
happy with the way it works and how accessible it is. I think looking back a 
few years from now not having a home button and Touch Id any more will be the 
same thing, we may look back on it with some font memories but we'll have moved 
on and will be using the new devices with equal ease. I'm sure Apple won't stop 
making things better and easier even though I am equally sure we'll continue to 
deal with nasty bugs along the way and all that.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone X and first impressions...

Hi Scott, I loved the iPhone X. I had a working perfectly with Apple Pay and 
we're buying stuff from the App Store. It is fun and easy

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> 
> I couldn’t agree with you more about the iPhone X. I have been using mine for 
> 2 weeks now and every time I pick it up I am just amazed at hoe much I love 
> using it. There is a little bit of a learning curve with this phone but after 
> you have it for an hour or so that learning curve will be no more. Even my 
> wife who is also blind was very nervous about using an iPhone without a Home 
> button but she took right to it very quickly.
> 
> I am having one issue with it however. I cannot seem to use the 
> AppStore with FaceID or for that matter when I set up ApplePay Cash earlier 
> on my iPhone X I couldn’t use FaceID for that either . When I try and use it 
> with FaceID on VoiceOver will say Double Click to Install or Double Click to 
> pay but when I do that nothing happens. Are you able to use these with FaceID 
> on your phone?
> Scott Rumery
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have recently received my beautiful new iPhone X. I love the design of 
>> this phone. The glass front and metal sides are what I loved about my first 
>> iPhone, the iPhone 4. I have been waiting for years for Apple to go back to 
>> this design.
>> 
>> I have heard a ton of chatter about why the iPhone is not the phone for 
>> everyone, and why the iPhone 8 is better, but I am extremely glad that I 
>> went with the iPhone X. This phone has made me fall in love with the iPhone 
>> interface and the sheer quality of Apple’s craftsmanship all over again. I 
>> am completely blind and I have to use VoiceOver. The new home buttonless 
>> interface was a trick for about the first 20 to 30 mins I had the device. 
>> After that the gestures to unlock the phone and even get to the Notification 
>> Center or the control center  has become second nature. 
>> 
>> Closing apps….
>> 
>> To close apps you will need to find the lower most part of the touch screen 
>> (The Home Indicator), you will hear VoiceOver make a little popping sound, 
>> and you will also feel the haptic feedback pop once as well. You then start 
>> to drag your finger up the screen and you will hear and feel  another pop. 
>> This second pop will indicate that you have performed the exit gesture 
>> properly, and you now should be back on your home screen.
>> 
>> Opening the App Switcher….
>> To open the App Switcher, you will have to find the lower most part of the 
>> touch screen (Home Indicator). You will drag your finger up the screen just 
>> like exiting out of an app, you will hear and feel the same indicators as 
>> exiting an application, this time though you will keep draggingg past the 
>> exit app sound and haptic feedback. You will then keep dragging up to about 
>> the middle of the touch screen and you will hear and feel another indication 
>> letting you know that you are now opening the app switcher. Now you can use 
>> the typical gestures you normally use to close apps completely.
>> 
>> Control Center and Notification Center…
>> 
>> Getting in to the Control Center and Notification Center is much like 
>> exiting apps and getting into the App Switcher. Find the status bar at the 
>> top of the screen and  You will do a one finger drag down the screen you 
>> will hear and feel the pop once your finger is on the status bar. Drag down 
>> and you will hear and feel the first pop to let you know you are passing the 
>> control center, stop dragging if you want to activate the control center, 
>> keep dragging until you hear and feel a pop to get to the Notification 
>> Center. Once you are in either the Control center or the Notification Center 
>> 

RE: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Check out QVC, they have them on easy pay.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

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Scott Rumery
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be best 
for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with VoiceOver 
and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the box? Both my 
wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the house so I 
would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this would be 
greatly appreciated.

Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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Re: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

That's the way VoiceOver works; you can adjust its volume when it's speaking. 
In general, when you adjust the volume, it changes the volume of whatever is 
active at the time.

Best,
Anna




> On Dec 4, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> You are correct, I never noticed that because when I tried it this morning 
> Voiceover started reading when I pressed the home button to wake up the phone 
> and then it worked.
> If nothing is reading it doesn't work, I guess you could probably submit this 
> as a bug, I personally consider this such a small issue that it doesn't 
> bother me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen
> 
> Sieghard, have you tried it when Voiceover was not reading anything? I have 
> also experienced this issue. Not a huge deal but annoying when I want to 
> change the volume and need to also have voiceOver speak.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 12/4/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Just tried it while Voiceover was reading some notifications on the 
>> lock screen and the volume buttons do work for me on my iPhone 6S Plus 
>> on the lock screen.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of K. Scott Carlson
>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen
>> 
>> Does anyone know why on the lock screen pressing the volume buttons 
>> does not actually change the actual volume?
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RE: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

The Nito didn't get good review from pet owners.
If you have a lot of pets, don't get below the 800 series. If you do not have a 
lot of carpet then get 960 or anything in the 800 series. If your like me and 
have a lot of carpet as well as other floor types, then get the 980.
QVC has them for easy pay.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

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Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

I like the Roomba but am not up to date on the current models.  I have an 
older one and my partner was a sighted guy and he was very impressed as to 
how well it cleaned.  We have always had animals around from a couple of 
dogs and a few cats and birds and it kept up with the hair nicely.  The 
newer models have fans that pull the hair and dirt in to the cleaning pan. 
I still would go through the house where there is carpet every once in a 
while with an upright vacuum and do a deep cleaning but as far as keeping 
the hair and feathers down you can't beat it.  The app is super and very 
accessible.  Other people could tell you currently what are the best models 
to get for pets.  Yes, in my opinion they work.  Back in the day, I trained 
my guide dog to  find Henry, which was what I called the downstairs Roomba, 
when he got lost and couldn't find the charger.  She loved finding that 
little beast for me.  Now,any more that isn't as much of a problem and you 
can program what rooms it will do and in what order.  It will go back to the 
doc and charge itself if it needs to before it is done and then resume its 
task.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Is Roomba Accessible?


Hi Scott,

I was also interested in these robotic vacuums, but my Mom bought a Neato 
connected vacuum last year after she had hip replacement surgery and was 
less able to do stuff for a while. I know Sandy from Ireland is a huge fan, 
but after seeing it work at my Mom's house I wouldn't buy one. She has a 
medium sized border collie and probably after every second cleaning she has 
to completely take the thing apart, clean out all the little brushes, make 
sure the sensors are clean and so on. They do have a good-size house (maybe 
1,300 or 1,400 square feet on the main fllor, but the kitchen and living 
room are very open, then there is the entry way with stairs going into the 
basement and a hallway going towards the master bedroom, it is the only 
other room upstairs except for a small bathroom (just toilet and sink) for 
everybody to use and the bathroom that is connected to the master bedroom. 
The bedroom is quite large.
The Neato can't clean the entire upstairs on one charge and I have seen it 
go round and round visiting the same places all over and not going to other 
places. Maybe the house is too complicated, quite a bit of furniture, rugs 
and a few odd corners and angles but while it will clean OK where it goes it 
is definitely not super-impressive and at least in my Mom's house it gets 
stuck at least once or twice during each cleaning.
I know you asked about the Roomba, maybe  your place is smaller, but with 
two dogs I'd not set my expectations too high and just in case I'd ask what 
their satisfaction policy is. I had a central vacuum installed a few years 
ago and my wife and I decided that spending 15 or 20 minutes a couple of 
times a week to vacuum is not reall that big of a deal so no robotic vacuum 
for us at least not until they are even much better than they are.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the 
house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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RE: used i phone x

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You might have to wait a bit longer for those to show up, right now Apple can’t 
even supply enough new ones for those who want them and I doubt a lot of people 
who get one will sell it a few days later. If somebody really hated it they 
would probably bring it back to Apple within the allowable return period and 
exchange it fore an 8 or 8 Plus.



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mobenga coco
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:42 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: used i phone x

hi gays
i want to get  a used i phone x
thnx
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Re: Total downloader help.

[Candy Lowe]

Jen, youcan contact me off list and I'lglad to help.

Candy 

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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> Thanks
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RE: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Just bought the 980. Yes, it works with Alexa. Yes the app is accessible. I 
have a house with carpet, hardwood, tile, and area rugs. Have 1 guide dog, two 
cats. For the most part, George, my Roomba does very well. I run him on the 
downstairs level of my home. He gets under fernaturr, and does well. I still 
use the Dyson cordless in the bathrooms where the litter boxes. My baseboards 
are now clean. I set it for 2 passes.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

Does it work with alexa?  Do you remember about how much it cost?

Thanks,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Logan
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

Scott,

I have the Roomba 980.  Have had it now for about 1.5 years.  My apartment 
is 500 sq. Ft.  For the most part Mr. Roboto (what I called him) does a 
pretty good job.  I do sweep out corners every once in a while.  Does both 
carpet and vinyl pretty good.  I also have a guide dog, so keeps the hair 
down good.  I usually have him run 3 times a week.  Takes it about an hour 
to complete .. I have it set to do 2 passes.

The app is pretty accessible...however things like the battery gauge and map 
aren’t.

My only issue is that he seems to be stopping mid cycle quite regularly with 
an error 17...and there is no reason it should be doing that.  Might just 
need a good cleaning.  If I can’t find it, it has a locate feature...so as 
long as it still has battery I can find it.

If you have any other questions...just ask...

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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
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>
> I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
> Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
> best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
> VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
> box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in 
> the house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with 
> this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank You,
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>
>
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RE: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Wayne,

You are correct, I never noticed that because when I tried it this morning 
Voiceover started reading when I pressed the home button to wake up the phone 
and then it worked.
If nothing is reading it doesn't work, I guess you could probably submit this 
as a bug, I personally consider this such a small issue that it doesn't bother 
me.

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Wayne Merritt
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Subject: Re: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen

Sieghard, have you tried it when Voiceover was not reading anything? I have 
also experienced this issue. Not a huge deal but annoying when I want to change 
the volume and need to also have voiceOver speak.

Wayne

On 12/4/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Just tried it while Voiceover was reading some notifications on the 
> lock screen and the volume buttons do work for me on my iPhone 6S Plus 
> on the lock screen.
>
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> Does anyone know why on the lock screen pressing the volume buttons 
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RE: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Nice!
Yep totally accessible. I have the 980. It picks up the more you use it. It 
will learn your house.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

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Esther Levegnale
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

i,

I just bought a Rhumba 805 today which was on sale at Costco with a coupon with 
$50 off.  It was originally $379 but with the coupon it was $329.  I have to 
download the app.  It was partially charged and when I pressed the button on 
top of the unit, it started doing its thing.  It’s pretty neat.  I’m anxious to 
download the app and see what the thing really does.  A sighted friend who was 
with me said that it looked like it picked up pretty well.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> 
> I like the Roomba but am not up to date on the current models.  I have an 
> older one and my partner was a sighted guy and he was very impressed as to 
> how well it cleaned.  We have always had animals around from a couple of 
> dogs and a few cats and birds and it kept up with the hair nicely.  The 
> newer models have fans that pull the hair and dirt in to the cleaning pan. 
> I still would go through the house where there is carpet every once in a 
> while with an upright vacuum and do a deep cleaning but as far as keeping 
> the hair and feathers down you can't beat it.  The app is super and very 
> accessible.  Other people could tell you currently what are the best models 
> to get for pets.  Yes, in my opinion they work.  Back in the day, I trained 
> my guide dog to  find Henry, which was what I called the downstairs Roomba, 
> when he got lost and couldn't find the charger.  She loved finding that 
> little beast for me.  Now,any more that isn't as much of a problem and you 
> can program what rooms it will do and in what order.  It will go back to the 
> doc and charge itself if it needs to before it is done and then resume its 
> task.
> 
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> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:35 AM
> Subject: RE: Is Roomba Accessible?
> 
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I was also interested in these robotic vacuums, but my Mom bought a Neato 
> connected vacuum last year after she had hip replacement surgery and was 
> less able to do stuff for a while. I know Sandy from Ireland is a huge fan, 
> but after seeing it work at my Mom's house I wouldn't buy one. She has a 
> medium sized border collie and probably after every second cleaning she has 
> to completely take the thing apart, clean out all the little brushes, make 
> sure the sensors are clean and so on. They do have a good-size house (maybe 
> 1,300 or 1,400 square feet on the main fllor, but the kitchen and living 
> room are very open, then there is the entry way with stairs going into the 
> basement and a hallway going towards the master bedroom, it is the only 
> other room upstairs except for a small bathroom (just toilet and sink) for 
> everybody to use and the bathroom that is connected to the master bedroom. 
> The bedroom is quite large.
> The Neato can't clean the entire upstairs on one charge and I have seen it 
> go round and round visiting the same places all over and not going to other 
> places. Maybe the house is too complicated, quite a bit of furniture, rugs 
> and a few odd corners and angles but while it will clean OK where it goes it 
> is definitely not super-impressive and at least in my Mom's house it gets 
> stuck at least once or twice during each cleaning.
> I know you asked about the Roomba, maybe  your place is smaller, but with 
> two dogs I'd not set my expectations too high and just in case I'd ask what 
> their satisfaction policy is. I had a central vacuum installed a few years 
> ago and my wife and I decided that spending 15 or 20 minutes a couple of 
> times a week to vacuum is not reall that big of a deal so no robotic vacuum 
> for us at least not until they are even much better than they are.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
> Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
> best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
> VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
> box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the 
> house so I would have to get the unit set up 

Re: daisy books and voice dream reader

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Pablo,

The easiest thing would be to zip each book, put them in Dropbox, and then use 
the Dropbox option in Voice Dream Reader to open them.

HTH,
Anna



> On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Pablo Morales  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I have the following situation,
> I am fighting with iTunes.
> iTunes is winning.
> I have some daisy books that I created with a program in my computer, I am 
> trying to upload those books to be read through voice dream reader in my 
> iPhone
> I can’t find the way how this process was done before iTunes has change so 
> much.
>  
> Anybody  can help me to transfer some daisy books from my Pc, to my iPhone to 
> be read through voice dream reader?
>  
>  
>  
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daisy books and voice dream reader

[Pablo Morales]

Hi all,

I have the following situation,

1.  I am fighting with iTunes.
2.  iTunes is winning.
3.  I have some daisy books that I created with a program in my
computer, I am trying to upload those books to be read through voice dream
reader in my iPhone
4.  I can't find the way how this process was done before. iTunes has
change so much.

 

Anybody  can help me to transfer some daisy books from my Pc, to my iPhone
to be read through voice dream reader?

 

5.   
6.   

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Re: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

[Christopher Chaltain]

I can't think of a better analogy, but messaging is near real time, 
which makes it quite a bit different from dropping a letter in snail mail.



On 12/04/2017 09:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Of course comparing a phone call to text messaging is like comparing a 
face-to-face meeting with writing letters and sending them in the mail. You can 
discuss in a 1 or 2 minute phone call what it would take 10 text messages to 
accomplish.

Also, the same 25-year anniversary of texting was discussed in a CBC article. 
Since this first text message was sent in England, they also gave some facts 
about the usage of text messages in England. Here they say that the number of 
text messages sent peaked in 2012 and has been steadily declining since then. 
Of course that may be due to other services such as Facebook or Whats App where 
many messages sent are also text.

It is, however, astonishing how far we have come in those 25 years, in 1992 
almost nobody even had a cell phone let alone a digital camera, the internet as 
such barely existed although email was well on its way. But who talked about 
companies having websites, about a huge portion of shopping getting done 
online, about connected devices or even self-driving cars.

Regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

OMG! Texting is 25 years old
The first SMS was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, but it would be a couple of years 
before phones could do it.
December 3, 2017 4:20 PM PST

Texting turned 25 on Sunday, ICYMI.
The first text message was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, by British engineer Neil 
Papworth to Richard Jarvis, an executive at British telecom Vodafone, who was 
attending his company's holiday party in Newbury, England.
Typed out on a PC, it was sent to Jarvis's Orbitel 901, a mobile phone that 
would take up most of your laptop backpack, and read: Merry Christmas. But 
Jarvis didn't send a reply because there was no way to send a text from a phone 
in those days.
Although Papworth is credited with sending the first text message, he's not the 
so-called father of SMS. That honor (or blame) falls on Matti Makkonen, who 
initially suggested the idea back in 1984 at a telecommunications conference.
But texting didn't take off over night. First it had to be incorporated into 
the then-budding GSM standard. Makkonen feels the technology actually was 
launched in 1994 when Nokia unveiled its 2010 mobile phone, the first device 
that let people easily write messages.
Today, about 97 percent of smartphone owners use text messaging, according to 
Pew Research, and along the way, a new set of sub-languages based on 
abbreviations and keyboard-based imagery has evolved. More than 561 billion 
text messages were sent worldwide in June 2014, about 18.7 billion texts sent 
every day, according researcher TextRequest.
Texting has become so popular that most Americans would rather type it than say 
it. US smartphone users are sending and receiving five times as many texts 
compared with the number of phone calls each day, according to the 
International Smartphone Mobility Report by mobile data tracking firm Infomate.
Isn't that GR8?

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Re: iPhone X and first impressions...

[Michael Maslo]

Hi Scott, I loved the iPhone X. I had a working perfectly with Apple Pay and 
we're buying stuff from the App Store. It is fun and easy

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> 
> I couldn’t agree with you more about the iPhone X. I have been using mine for 
> 2 weeks now and every time I pick it up I am just amazed at hoe much I love 
> using it. There is a little bit of a learning curve with this phone but after 
> you have it for an hour or so that learning curve will be no more. Even my 
> wife who is also blind was very nervous about using an iPhone without a Home 
> button but she took right to it very quickly.
> 
> I am having one issue with it however. I cannot seem to use the AppStore with 
> FaceID or for that matter when I set up ApplePay Cash earlier on my iPhone X 
> I couldn’t use FaceID for that either
> . When I try and use it with FaceID on VoiceOver will say Double Click to 
> Install or Double Click to pay but when I do that nothing happens. Are you 
> able to use these with FaceID on your phone?
> Scott Rumery
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have recently received my beautiful new iPhone X. I love the design of 
>> this phone. The glass front and metal sides are what I loved about my first 
>> iPhone, the iPhone 4. I have been waiting for years for Apple to go back to 
>> this design.
>> 
>> I have heard a ton of chatter about why the iPhone is not the phone for 
>> everyone, and why the iPhone 8 is better, but I am extremely glad that I 
>> went with the iPhone X. This phone has made me fall in love with the iPhone 
>> interface and the sheer quality of Apple’s craftsmanship all over again. I 
>> am completely blind and I have to use VoiceOver. The new home buttonless 
>> interface was a trick for about the first 20 to 30 mins I had the device. 
>> After that the gestures to unlock the phone and even get to the Notification 
>> Center or the control center  has become second nature. 
>> 
>> Closing apps….
>> 
>> To close apps you will need to find the lower most part of the touch screen 
>> (The Home Indicator), you will hear VoiceOver make a little popping sound, 
>> and you will also feel the haptic feedback pop once as well. You then start 
>> to drag your finger up the screen and you will hear and feel  another pop. 
>> This second pop will indicate that you have performed the exit gesture 
>> properly, and you now should be back on your home screen.
>> 
>> Opening the App Switcher….
>> To open the App Switcher, you will have to find the lower most part of the 
>> touch screen (Home Indicator). You will drag your finger up the screen just 
>> like exiting out of an app, you will hear and feel the same indicators as 
>> exiting an application, this time though you will keep draggingg past the 
>> exit app sound and haptic feedback. You will then keep dragging up to about 
>> the middle of the touch screen and you will hear and feel another indication 
>> letting you know that you are now opening the app switcher. Now you can use 
>> the typical gestures you normally use to close apps completely.
>> 
>> Control Center and Notification Center…
>> 
>> Getting in to the Control Center and Notification Center is much like 
>> exiting apps and getting into the App Switcher. Find the status bar at the 
>> top of the screen and  You will do a one finger drag down the screen you 
>> will hear and feel the pop once your finger is on the status bar. Drag down 
>> and you will hear and feel the first pop to let you know you are passing the 
>> control center, stop dragging if you want to activate the control center, 
>> keep dragging until you hear and feel a pop to get to the Notification 
>> Center. Once you are in either the Control center or the Notification Center 
>> you can use your standard group of VoiceOver gestures.
>> 
>> 
>> Over All I really love this phone and it has made me love using iOS again. 
>> The buttonless world is upon us and it isn’t all that scary. Come in the 
>> water is fine.
>> 
>> Ed Worrell
>> 
>> Co-Founder/CEO
>> OverHere Consulting LLP
>> “Bringing Technology into Sight”
>> Https://overhereconsulting.net
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Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Esther Levegnale]

i,

I just bought a Rhumba 805 today which was on sale at Costco with a coupon with 
$50 off.  It was originally $379 but with the coupon it was $329.  I have to 
download the app.  It was partially charged and when I pressed the button on 
top of the unit, it started doing its thing.  It’s pretty neat.  I’m anxious to 
download the app and see what the thing really does.  A sighted friend who was 
with me said that it looked like it picked up pretty well.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> 
> I like the Roomba but am not up to date on the current models.  I have an 
> older one and my partner was a sighted guy and he was very impressed as to 
> how well it cleaned.  We have always had animals around from a couple of 
> dogs and a few cats and birds and it kept up with the hair nicely.  The 
> newer models have fans that pull the hair and dirt in to the cleaning pan. 
> I still would go through the house where there is carpet every once in a 
> while with an upright vacuum and do a deep cleaning but as far as keeping 
> the hair and feathers down you can't beat it.  The app is super and very 
> accessible.  Other people could tell you currently what are the best models 
> to get for pets.  Yes, in my opinion they work.  Back in the day, I trained 
> my guide dog to  find Henry, which was what I called the downstairs Roomba, 
> when he got lost and couldn't find the charger.  She loved finding that 
> little beast for me.  Now,any more that isn't as much of a problem and you 
> can program what rooms it will do and in what order.  It will go back to the 
> doc and charge itself if it needs to before it is done and then resume its 
> task.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:35 AM
> Subject: RE: Is Roomba Accessible?
> 
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I was also interested in these robotic vacuums, but my Mom bought a Neato 
> connected vacuum last year after she had hip replacement surgery and was 
> less able to do stuff for a while. I know Sandy from Ireland is a huge fan, 
> but after seeing it work at my Mom's house I wouldn't buy one. She has a 
> medium sized border collie and probably after every second cleaning she has 
> to completely take the thing apart, clean out all the little brushes, make 
> sure the sensors are clean and so on. They do have a good-size house (maybe 
> 1,300 or 1,400 square feet on the main fllor, but the kitchen and living 
> room are very open, then there is the entry way with stairs going into the 
> basement and a hallway going towards the master bedroom, it is the only 
> other room upstairs except for a small bathroom (just toilet and sink) for 
> everybody to use and the bathroom that is connected to the master bedroom. 
> The bedroom is quite large.
> The Neato can't clean the entire upstairs on one charge and I have seen it 
> go round and round visiting the same places all over and not going to other 
> places. Maybe the house is too complicated, quite a bit of furniture, rugs 
> and a few odd corners and angles but while it will clean OK where it goes it 
> is definitely not super-impressive and at least in my Mom's house it gets 
> stuck at least once or twice during each cleaning.
> I know you asked about the Roomba, maybe  your place is smaller, but with 
> two dogs I'd not set my expectations too high and just in case I'd ask what 
> their satisfaction policy is. I had a central vacuum installed a few years 
> ago and my wife and I decided that spending 15 or 20 minutes a couple of 
> times a week to vacuum is not reall that big of a deal so no robotic vacuum 
> for us at least not until they are even much better than they are.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Scott Rumery
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
> Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
> best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
> VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
> box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the 
> house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this 
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Rumery
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Re: iPhone X and first impressions...

[Scott Rumery]

Hi Ed,


I couldn’t agree with you more about the iPhone X. I have been using mine for 2 
weeks now and every time I pick it up I am just amazed at hoe much I love using 
it. There is a little bit of a learning curve with this phone but after you 
have it for an hour or so that learning curve will be no more. Even my wife who 
is also blind was very nervous about using an iPhone without a Home button but 
she took right to it very quickly.

I am having one issue with it however. I cannot seem to use the AppStore with 
FaceID or for that matter when I set up ApplePay Cash earlier on my iPhone X I 
couldn’t use FaceID for that either
 . When I try and use it with FaceID on VoiceOver will say Double Click to 
Install or Double Click to pay but when I do that nothing happens. Are you able 
to use these with FaceID on your phone?
Scott Rumery

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have recently received my beautiful new iPhone X. I love the design of this 
> phone. The glass front and metal sides are what I loved about my first 
> iPhone, the iPhone 4. I have been waiting for years for Apple to go back to 
> this design.
> 
> I have heard a ton of chatter about why the iPhone is not the phone for 
> everyone, and why the iPhone 8 is better, but I am extremely glad that I went 
> with the iPhone X. This phone has made me fall in love with the iPhone 
> interface and the sheer quality of Apple’s craftsmanship all over again. I am 
> completely blind and I have to use VoiceOver. The new home buttonless 
> interface was a trick for about the first 20 to 30 mins I had the device. 
> After that the gestures to unlock the phone and even get to the Notification 
> Center or the control center  has become second nature. 
> 
> Closing apps….
> 
> To close apps you will need to find the lower most part of the touch screen 
> (The Home Indicator), you will hear VoiceOver make a little popping sound, 
> and you will also feel the haptic feedback pop once as well. You then start 
> to drag your finger up the screen and you will hear and feel  another pop. 
> This second pop will indicate that you have performed the exit gesture 
> properly, and you now should be back on your home screen.
> 
> Opening the App Switcher….
> To open the App Switcher, you will have to find the lower most part of the 
> touch screen (Home Indicator). You will drag your finger up the screen just 
> like exiting out of an app, you will hear and feel the same indicators as 
> exiting an application, this time though you will keep draggingg past the 
> exit app sound and haptic feedback. You will then keep dragging up to about 
> the middle of the touch screen and you will hear and feel another indication 
> letting you know that you are now opening the app switcher. Now you can use 
> the typical gestures you normally use to close apps completely.
> 
> Control Center and Notification Center…
> 
> Getting in to the Control Center and Notification Center is much like exiting 
> apps and getting into the App Switcher. Find the status bar at the top of the 
> screen and  You will do a one finger drag down the screen you will hear and 
> feel the pop once your finger is on the status bar. Drag down and you will 
> hear and feel the first pop to let you know you are passing the control 
> center, stop dragging if you want to activate the control center, keep 
> dragging until you hear and feel a pop to get to the Notification Center. 
> Once you are in either the Control center or the Notification Center you can 
> use your standard group of VoiceOver gestures.
> 
> 
> Over All I really love this phone and it has made me love using iOS again. 
> The buttonless world is upon us and it isn’t all that scary. Come in the 
> water is fine.
> 
> Ed Worrell
> 
> Co-Founder/CEO
> OverHere Consulting LLP
> “Bringing Technology into Sight”
> Https://overhereconsulting.net
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RE: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Vivian]

I wonder if you can set a pass code and then turn it off in Settings and then 
hopefully it will work the way you want it to.

 

Vivian & Barbee

blazie.g...@gmail.com  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Lange
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

 

Hi,

No post-update nag on my iPhone 7. 


On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal  > wrote:

The 5S I use as a second line doesn’t’ prompt me for this and I’m upgraded to 
11.2.

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Apple Denies You the Choice

 

After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before you 
tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i accept the 
responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to have that 
choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me to set up 
finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring this, but then I 
get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a way to defeat the 
nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I feel that what 
security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.

 

Andy

 

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Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Peter Logan]

Yes, it works with Alexa ...  It was around $900 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> Does it work with alexa?  Do you remember about how much it cost?
> 
> Thanks,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- From: Peter Logan
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I have the Roomba 980.  Have had it now for about 1.5 years.  My apartment is 
> 500 sq. Ft.  For the most part Mr. Roboto (what I called him) does a pretty 
> good job.  I do sweep out corners every once in a while.  Does both carpet 
> and vinyl pretty good.  I also have a guide dog, so keeps the hair down good. 
>  I usually have him run 3 times a week.  Takes it about an hour to complete 
> .. I have it set to do 2 passes.
> 
> The app is pretty accessible...however things like the battery gauge and map 
> aren’t.
> 
> My only issue is that he seems to be stopping mid cycle quite regularly with 
> an error 17...and there is no reason it should be doing that.  Might just 
> need a good cleaning.  If I can’t find it, it has a locate feature...so as 
> long as it still has battery I can find it.
> 
> If you have any other questions...just ask...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning,
>> 
>> I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
>> Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
>> best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
>> VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
>> box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the 
>> house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this 
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Scott Rumery
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RE: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I do not currently have the passcode enabled.  After I upgraded, I was getting 
the reminder to set up my passcode and finish setup quite often also.

After ignoring the message for several days, I chose the "Finish Setup" button 
that was part of this message, and chose not to set up the passcode.  Since 
then, I have not been prompted again to set it up.  So, I would suggest seeing 
if one of the options you see the next time you get this message is to finish 
setup.


Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Richard 
Turner [richardturne...@outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this sounds like the perfect time 
to call Apple Accessibility.
Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Lelia Struve 
> wrote:

Hi there, I have an iPhone 7 with the latest update and I don’t get that. I 
also choose not to have that and I haven’t had to do that. That is weird.

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Tom Lange 
> wrote:

Hi,
No post-update nag on my iPhone 7.

On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal 
> wrote:

The 5S I use as a second line doesn’t’ prompt me for this and I’m upgraded to 
11.2.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Denies You the Choice

After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before you 
tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i accept the 
responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to have that 
choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me to set up 
finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring this, but then I 
get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a way to defeat the 
nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I feel that what 
security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.

Andy

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iPhone X and first impressions...

[Ed Worrell]

Hello All,

I have recently received my beautiful new iPhone X. I love the design of this 
phone. The glass front and metal sides are what I loved about my first iPhone, 
the iPhone 4. I have been waiting for years for Apple to go back to this design.

I have heard a ton of chatter about why the iPhone is not the phone for 
everyone, and why the iPhone 8 is better, but I am extremely glad that I went 
with the iPhone X. This phone has made me fall in love with the iPhone 
interface and the sheer quality of Apple’s craftsmanship all over again. I am 
completely blind and I have to use VoiceOver. The new home buttonless interface 
was a trick for about the first 20 to 30 mins I had the device. After that the 
gestures to unlock the phone and even get to the Notification Center or the 
control center  has become second nature. 

Closing apps….

To close apps you will need to find the lower most part of the touch screen 
(The Home Indicator), you will hear VoiceOver make a little popping sound, and 
you will also feel the haptic feedback pop once as well. You then start to drag 
your finger up the screen and you will hear and feel  another pop. This second 
pop will indicate that you have performed the exit gesture properly, and you 
now should be back on your home screen.

Opening the App Switcher….
To open the App Switcher, you will have to find the lower most part of the 
touch screen (Home Indicator). You will drag your finger up the screen just 
like exiting out of an app, you will hear and feel the same indicators as 
exiting an application, this time though you will keep draggingg past the exit 
app sound and haptic feedback. You will then keep dragging up to about the 
middle of the touch screen and you will hear and feel another indication 
letting you know that you are now opening the app switcher. Now you can use the 
typical gestures you normally use to close apps completely.

Control Center and Notification Center…

Getting in to the Control Center and Notification Center is much like exiting 
apps and getting into the App Switcher. Find the status bar at the top of the 
screen and  You will do a one finger drag down the screen you will hear and 
feel the pop once your finger is on the status bar. Drag down and you will hear 
and feel the first pop to let you know you are passing the control center, stop 
dragging if you want to activate the control center, keep dragging until you 
hear and feel a pop to get to the Notification Center. Once you are in either 
the Control center or the Notification Center you can use your standard group 
of VoiceOver gestures.
 

Over All I really love this phone and it has made me love using iOS again. The 
buttonless world is upon us and it isn’t all that scary. Come in the water is 
fine.

Ed Worrell

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RE: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors authentication without problems?

[Cris Ali]

But what if I do not use my laptop to access iTunes or any counterpart lap top 
app.  I keep my laptop and apple devices separate.
I just want to know what to expect during the process of activating the two 
factor authentication.
Cheers,
Cris

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors 
authentication without problems?

If 2-factor authentication is enabled you need to use a so-called app specific 
password for certain apps and programs on the computer. I never had problems 
using these, it’s not just Apple which uses them, also Microsoft and Google.
I have 2-factor authentication enabled for my @outlook.com email as well as for 
my Office 365 business email and I had to generate 4 or 5 app specific 
passwords to use on each of my computers with Outlook and for the Mail app on 
my iPhone. You can only use a particular app specific password on one device, 
if you have an iPhone and a laptop you need two separate app specific passwords.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors 
authentication without problems?

Hi Chris,
I don’t recall any particular issues activating two factor authentication. I 
did it quite some time ago. The only issues I have ever had with that have been 
on android devices, where I wanted to activate Apple Music, and it required 
some kind of special thing that never worked right. I don’t think that has 
anything to do with 2FA per se.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Cris Ali 
> wrote:
Hi folks,
I looked at the steps to activate the person to person pay, but it requires the 
activation of the two factors authentication.  I understand that it is very 
difficult to do that with voice over.  I also heard that the code you receive 
via text to authenticate your device is time sensitive and it expires within 30 
seconds or so.
For those who succeeded in activating the two factors authentication, how did 
you do that?  Are there any tips you may want to share?

Cheers,
Cris

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Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Richard Turner]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this sounds like the perfect time 
to call Apple Accessibility.
Richard


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On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Lelia Struve 
> wrote:

Hi there, I have an iPhone 7 with the latest update and I don’t get that. I 
also choose not to have that and I haven’t had to do that. That is weird.

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Tom Lange 
> wrote:

Hi,
No post-update nag on my iPhone 7.

On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal 
> wrote:

The 5S I use as a second line doesn’t’ prompt me for this and I’m upgraded to 
11.2.


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Denies You the Choice

After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before you 
tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i accept the 
responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to have that 
choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me to set up 
finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring this, but then I 
get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a way to defeat the 
nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I feel that what 
security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.

Andy

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Re: Playing Documents Back to Back

[Richard Turner]

In Voice Dream Reader.
Open a document.
Double tap on the button to the left of Audio settings labeled Controls.
Double tap on the button, Reading Mode.
You will find options to stop after the document, stop at each sentence, or 
continue to next document.
HTH,
Richard


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On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:08 AM, K. Scott Carlson 
> wrote:

According to the manual, you can adjust this in "advanced settings". The only 
settings I have seen that look like this are "advanced audio settings' and 
there is no setting to adjust as to whether the next document will play after 
the previous documents ends. It looks like the manual is really out of date 
here.

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Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Lelia Struve]

Hi there, I have an iPhone 7 with the latest update and I don’t get that. I 
also choose not to have that and I haven’t had to do that. That is weird.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> No post-update nag on my iPhone 7. 
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
>> 
>> The 5S I use as a second line doesn’t’ prompt me for this and I’m upgraded 
>> to 11.2.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple Denies You the Choice
>>  
>> After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me 
>> to set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. 
>> Before you tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and 
>> i accept the responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me 
>> to have that choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting 
>> me to set up finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring 
>> this, but then I get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there 
>> a way to defeat the nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I 
>> feel that what security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.
>>  
>> Andy
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Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
No post-update nag on my iPhone 7. 

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> The 5S I use as a second line doesn’t’ prompt me for this and I’m upgraded to 
> 11.2.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Denies You the Choice
>  
> After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
> set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before 
> you tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i 
> accept the responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to 
> have that choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me 
> to set up finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring 
> this, but then I get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a 
> way to defeat the nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I 
> feel that what security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.
>  
> Andy
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Re: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen

[Wayne Merritt]

Sieghard, have you tried it when Voiceover was not reading anything? I
have also experienced this issue. Not a huge deal but annoying when I
want to change the volume and need to also have voiceOver speak.

Wayne

On 12/4/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Just tried it while Voiceover was reading some notifications on the lock
> screen and the volume buttons do work for me on my iPhone 6S Plus on the
> lock screen.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of K. Scott Carlson
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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RE: Bluetooth keyboards on iPhone X and IOs 11.2

[pablocmd2014]

I found on a web page some tips to fix the Bluetooth problems in IOs 11.x. 
However after I fixed my problem, I am finding that the problem reappear  if I 
try to use the Bluetooth keyboard in a different app. Then I had to turn off 
the keyboard, and turn it on again. I have found a lot of pages talking about 
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Total downloader help.

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all.
Can anyone who uses this app contact me?  Candy sent me the link but I lost the 
email to be able to contact privately.
Thanks
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RE: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Cristóbal]

The 5S I use as a second line doesn’t’ prompt me for this and I’m upgraded to 
11.2.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Denies You the Choice

 

After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before you 
tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i accept the 
responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to have that 
choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me to set up 
finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring this, but then I 
get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a way to defeat the 
nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I feel that what 
security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.

 

Andy

 

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Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

[John Panarese]

  I thought it only asks you a few times, but then goes away. I have a few 
clients who prefer not having touch ID or even a Passcode in use. That is their 
choice. 


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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
> set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before 
> you tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i 
> accept the responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to 
> have that choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me 
> to set up finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring 
> this, but then I get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a 
> way to defeat the nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I 
> feel that what security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.
>  
> Andy
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Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Mary Otten]

I don’t know if this is different for phones and iPads, and I do have a 
passcode and touch ID both for my phone. For my iPad mini, I don’t. And I never 
get snagged ever. And I have upgraded to 11.2.
Mary


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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
> set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before 
> you tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i 
> accept the responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to 
> have that choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me 
> to set up finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring 
> this, but then I get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a 
> way to defeat the nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I 
> feel that what security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.
>  
> Andy
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Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, you need to at least set up a passcode for the alert to go away. 
There’s no way to get around it.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
> set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before 
> you tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i 
> accept the responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to 
> have that choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me 
> to set up finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring 
> this, but then I get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a 
> way to defeat the nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I 
> feel that what security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.
>  
> Andy
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Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Andy Baracco]

The current model does, but if he had it for a few years, his model might 
not.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Lois Butterfield" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?


Does it work with alexa?  Do you remember about how much it cost?

Thanks,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Logan

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

Scott,

I have the Roomba 980.  Have had it now for about 1.5 years.  My apartment
is 500 sq. Ft.  For the most part Mr. Roboto (what I called him) does a
pretty good job.  I do sweep out corners every once in a while.  Does both
carpet and vinyl pretty good.  I also have a guide dog, so keeps the hair
down good.  I usually have him run 3 times a week.  Takes it about an hour
to complete .. I have it set to do 2 passes.

The app is pretty accessible...however things like the battery gauge and map
aren’t.

My only issue is that he seems to be stopping mid cycle quite regularly with
an error 17...and there is no reason it should be doing that.  Might just
need a good cleaning.  If I can’t find it, it has a locate feature...so as
long as it still has battery I can find it.

If you have any other questions...just ask...

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in 
the house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with 
this would be greatly appreciated.


Thank You,



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Apple Denies You the Choice

[Andy Baracco]

After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before you 
tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i accept the 
responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to have that 
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security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.

Andy

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Re: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors authentication without problems?

[Mary Otten]

App specific password, that’s what I couldn’t remember the name of. I know 
about that, and I tried it with Apple Music on two different android devices, 
and I got absolutely nowhere.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If 2-factor authentication is enabled you need to use a so-called app 
> specific password for certain apps and programs on the computer. I never had 
> problems using these, it’s not just Apple which uses them, also Microsoft and 
> Google.
> I have 2-factor authentication enabled for my @outlook.com email as well as 
> for my Office 365 business email and I had to generate 4 or 5 app specific 
> passwords to use on each of my computers with Outlook and for the Mail app on 
> my iPhone. You can only use a particular app specific password on one device, 
> if you have an iPhone and a laptop you need two separate app specific 
> passwords.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors 
> authentication without problems?
>  
> Hi Chris,
> I don’t recall any particular issues activating two factor authentication. I 
> did it quite some time ago. The only issues I have ever had with that have 
> been on android devices, where I wanted to activate Apple Music, and it 
> required some kind of special thing that never worked right. I don’t think 
> that has anything to do with 2FA per se.
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I looked at the steps to activate the person to person pay, but it requires 
> the activation of the two factors authentication.  I understand that it is 
> very difficult to do that with voice over.  I also heard that the code you 
> receive via text to authenticate your device is time sensitive and it expires 
> within 30 seconds or so.
> For those who succeeded in activating the two factors authentication, how did 
> you do that?  Are there any tips you may want to share?
>  
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Lois Butterfield]

Does it work with alexa?  Do you remember about how much it cost?

Thanks,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Logan

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

Scott,

I have the Roomba 980.  Have had it now for about 1.5 years.  My apartment 
is 500 sq. Ft.  For the most part Mr. Roboto (what I called him) does a 
pretty good job.  I do sweep out corners every once in a while.  Does both 
carpet and vinyl pretty good.  I also have a guide dog, so keeps the hair 
down good.  I usually have him run 3 times a week.  Takes it about an hour 
to complete .. I have it set to do 2 passes.


The app is pretty accessible...however things like the battery gauge and map 
aren’t.


My only issue is that he seems to be stopping mid cycle quite regularly with 
an error 17...and there is no reason it should be doing that.  Might just 
need a good cleaning.  If I can’t find it, it has a locate feature...so as 
long as it still has battery I can find it.


If you have any other questions...just ask...

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in 
the house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with 
this would be greatly appreciated.


Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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Re: App to download files?

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi Candy.  I'm sorry I am just now seeing this.  Thank you so much for the app 
link.
Jen

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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> 
> Jennifer,
> I use the total downloader app.  I download files from the blind mice movie 
> vault with great success.  That is the only thing I have done with the app, 
> but, I use it quite often.  It costs a couple of dollars, but, worth it.
> I am sending you the link.  If I can be of any more help, let me know.
> Candy
> 
> Total: browser with file manager and cloud storage support by App Ideas 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/total-browser-with-file-manager-and-cloud-storage-support/id522661666?mt=8
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning. 
>> First, happy Thanksgiving to all of those in the US! I hope you have a 
>> wonderful day!
>> MY question? Can anyone recommend a good app to download files? Safari trys 
>> to open them... what can I use to download that's accessible? 
>> Thanks.
>> Jen
>> 
>> 
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RE: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just tried it while Voiceover was reading some notifications on the lock screen 
and the volume buttons do work for me on my iPhone 6S Plus on the lock screen.


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K. Scott Carlson
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Subject: Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen

Does anyone know why on the lock screen pressing the volume buttons does not 
actually change the actual volume?

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RE: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors authentication without problems?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If 2-factor authentication is enabled you need to use a so-called app specific 
password for certain apps and programs on the computer. I never had problems 
using these, it’s not just Apple which uses them, also Microsoft and Google.
I have 2-factor authentication enabled for my @outlook.com email as well as for 
my Office 365 business email and I had to generate 4 or 5 app specific 
passwords to use on each of my computers with Outlook and for the Mail app on 
my iPhone. You can only use a particular app specific password on one device, 
if you have an iPhone and a laptop you need two separate app specific passwords.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors 
authentication without problems?

Hi Chris,
I don’t recall any particular issues activating two factor authentication. I 
did it quite some time ago. The only issues I have ever had with that have been 
on android devices, where I wanted to activate Apple Music, and it required 
some kind of special thing that never worked right. I don’t think that has 
anything to do with 2FA per se.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Cris Ali 
> wrote:
Hi folks,
I looked at the steps to activate the person to person pay, but it requires the 
activation of the two factors authentication.  I understand that it is very 
difficult to do that with voice over.  I also heard that the code you receive 
via text to authenticate your device is time sensitive and it expires within 30 
seconds or so.
For those who succeeded in activating the two factors authentication, how did 
you do that?  Are there any tips you may want to share?

Cheers,
Cris

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Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Peter Logan]

Scott,

I have the Roomba 980.  Have had it now for about 1.5 years.  My apartment is 
500 sq. Ft.  For the most part Mr. Roboto (what I called him) does a pretty 
good job.  I do sweep out corners every once in a while.  Does both carpet and 
vinyl pretty good.  I also have a guide dog, so keeps the hair down good.  I 
usually have him run 3 times a week.  Takes it about an hour to complete .. I 
have it set to do 2 passes.

The app is pretty accessible...however things like the battery gauge and map 
aren’t.

My only issue is that he seems to be stopping mid cycle quite regularly with an 
error 17...and there is no reason it should be doing that.  Might just need a 
good cleaning.  If I can’t find it, it has a locate feature...so as long as it 
still has battery I can find it.

If you have any other questions...just ask...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery  wrote:
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
> Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
> best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
> VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the box? 
> Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the house 
> so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Rumery
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Re: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[lenron brown]

I loved my s3 best phone I ever owned! I am happy with my Iphone but
that thing was so much fun.

On 12/4/17, Robin  wrote:
> True That!
> I recall RetailSales at My MobileCarrier,VZW
> showing me Accessibility on Apple's iPhone &
> Noting Most Blind Gravitate towards it,
> but Samsung's GalaxyS3 (at the time) are just as
> Accessible to the Blind
> &
> Another RetailSales told me that Accessibility on
> Samsung's Android is Easier than Apple's on an iPhone
> At 11:54 PM 12/3/2017, you wrote:
>>And they are so responsive and courteous to us
>>blind users. One day my daughter was showing
>>them how to turn speech on and they were so
>>interested that all of the store employees
>>gathered around and watched and asked questions.
>>so they were well prepared if another blind user
>>ever came in that store. We actually had a
>>T-mobile employee reach out to us on another
>>list that I'm on because they were working with
>>a blind user and wanted to educate themselves so they could better help
>> her.
>>
>>
>>On 12/4/2017 1:42 AM, lenron brown wrote:
>>>I must say I love T-Mobile. When I had problems with my 6s plus a
>>>couple months ago. They didn't try to force me to upgrade or anything.
>>>They said oh we will do what we can to save you money, and they ended
>>>up replacing my 6s plus with a 7plus 128 gb version. That I will be
>>>done paying off next month because I didn't have to start over.
>>>
>>>On 12/4/17, Gordon  wrote:
I've been with T-mobile since 2008 and they've always been like this no
matter if it's a store or a rep over the phone. When I was with At
years ago they would always try to sell me something to make more money.
However T-mobile has always found ways to save me money. the reps over
the phone would always look at my account and tell me what I could do to
save money. I had called in one time and ended up saving $22 on my bill
by the time the call ended. And they even gave me the savings back to
when my current cycle started instead of prorating my bill.

On 12/4/2017 12:36 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
>Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular
>feelings about Apple's new phone.
>December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST
>
>Not worth it?
>César Salza / CNET
>I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and
> when
>I
>see someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
>Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as
>the
>carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push
> toward
>unlimited data.
>Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the
>right
>phone?
>Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to
>see
>how they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
>I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel
> 2.
>In
>both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
>I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a
>better phone than the iPhone X.
>What would T-Mobile tell me?
>I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the
>iPhone 8 last week.
>Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was
>desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone?
>Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now
>slightly
>rusty-looking iPhone 6?
>I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out.
>It all started well enough
>A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
>I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not
>everyone looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
>He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade.
>"You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the
> glass
>back. But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he
>said.
>"But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right
>now?"
>"That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the
>8's."
>Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not
> yet,
>it
>seemed.
>"Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a
> lot
>of
>8's?" I asked.
>"No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a promotion."
>I then asked him about the iPhone X. He couldn't show me how Face ID
>works,
>because each phone can only work with one person's face.
>He insisted, though, that it was secure. "I think there's a
>million-to-one
>chance that someone else's face will open your phone," he said.
>iPhone X? It's not worth the extra 200 

Re: Lift and Uber questions

[Andy Baracco]

It only asks about one or two seats when requesting a shared ride. Actually, 
the shared rides aren't that bad. Usually I haven't had a shared ride, and 
when I have, it was only one other passenger, and they were on the way. 
Nothing like paratransit.


The savings make it worthwhile to consider, even though you don't save as 
much when there are two of you.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Chip Orange" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Lift and Uber questions


Thanks ... but I'm not sure what a pool trip is?  Is this sharing with 
other riders, we probably won't do that, so if booking a normal Uber will 
it still ask one or two seats?


Thanks,

Chip



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Wayne Merritt

Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions

Chip,
When booking your Uber Pool trip, and I'm assuming the same will be
true for Lyft Line, you will be asked how many seats you will need.
The choices are 1 or 2. Once you have made the selection, the rest of
the booking process is the same.

Hth,
Wayne

On 12/3/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
Could you explain  about what pool is?  If both my wife and I want to 
ride

in the Uber do I need to schedule a pool ride or do something differently
for two of us?

Thanks,

Chip



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 4:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions

I have used both, but now use lyft pretty much exclusively. Prices do 
vary,


even on the same trip. Prices are generally higher during the evening, 
but
last evening I took a trip on Lyft during a time when the price is 
usually

higher, and it wasn't, so go figure. Also, when using lyft Line or Uber
Pool, the price for the 2nd passenger can very from 39 cents to $1.50.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Wayne Merritt" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions



I use Uber several times per week. Both Uber and Lyft are extremely
easy to use. As far as pricing goes, when there is extremely high
demand like Sieghard mentioned, Uber goes into Surge Pricing. You will
be told of the higher prices when booking your trip and given an
opportunity to cancel or continue. I have heard from others that Lyft
does has Surge Pricing every so often, but my friends say that Lyft
may not have as much Surge Pricing and Uber does. I don't know for
sure since I've taken Uber quite heavily the last few months. Also, if
you frequent one or both services often enough, you will get emails
and notifications about discounts for the week, such as half off the
first 10 rides. You can schedule a ride in advance with both services.
I have done this on both, but I like the notifications you get in
advance of a scheduled trip on Uber better than Lyft. Uber gives you a
notification at 30 and then 5 minutes before your scheduled trip,
where Lyft only gives a text or notification 10 minutes before.
Regarding getting the driver to help you, Uber and Lyft are like
paratransit services, where they are technically just door to door, or
curb to curb service. I have asked some drivers to help me inside a
building or to find a specific place, but not all will be willing. If
they do, then I am sure to give them a better rating and even a tip at
the end. And you can tip with Uber and Lyft. This is one other thing
that Lyft does better. You will get an emailed receipt after each trip
on both services, but Lyft is good about telling you how much your
trip was before you tip. Uber does not do this. I have to look in the
menu, then Your Trips, then I can find out how much my ride was. Both
services are great over all and worth the trouble since they can help
to increase your independence and flexibility when traveling around
town. By the way,

Happy riding,
Wyne

On 12/2/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
One thing I found at least here in Canada when I used Uber in Calgary 
is

that with their high-demand upcharge it is often cheaper to take a taxi
during such times of the day. It's amazing how a Uber quote can vary
even
from now to 5 minutes later and while I guess this is part of the 
supply


and
demand principal of economy I don't like it too much. If I see the
message
about pricing being higher due to high demand I simply close the Uber
app
and call a cab.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Lift and Uber questions

Hello everyone,


I have the Lift App on my phone. But I've never used it. From the 

Voiceover Volume on Lock Screen

[K. Scott Carlson]

Does anyone know why on the lock screen pressing the volume buttons does 
not actually change the actual volume?


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Re: Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors authentication without problems?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Chris,
I don’t recall any particular issues activating two factor authentication. I 
did it quite some time ago. The only issues I have ever had with that have been 
on android devices, where I wanted to activate Apple Music, and it required 
some kind of special thing that never worked right. I don’t think that has 
anything to do with 2FA per se.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I looked at the steps to activate the person to person pay, but it requires 
> the activation of the two factors authentication.  I understand that it is 
> very difficult to do that with voice over.  I also heard that the code you 
> receive via text to authenticate your device is time sensitive and it expires 
> within 30 seconds or so.
> For those who succeeded in activating the two factors authentication, how did 
> you do that?  Are there any tips you may want to share?
>  
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: Lift and Uber questions

[Wayne Merritt]

If you go with Uber Pool, then you are sharing with other riders.
However, once I was on a trip with my wife and one other separate
rider, so it is possible to get other people if you are making a Pool
ride for you and another person. For Uber X trips, they assume that
you will need up to 4 seats, so you would not specify this in the
booking.

Hth,
Wayne

On 12/4/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
> Thanks ... but I'm not sure what a pool trip is?  Is this sharing with other
> riders, we probably won't do that, so if booking a normal Uber will it still
> ask one or two seats?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions
>
> Chip,
> When booking your Uber Pool trip, and I'm assuming the same will be
> true for Lyft Line, you will be asked how many seats you will need.
> The choices are 1 or 2. Once you have made the selection, the rest of
> the booking process is the same.
>
> Hth,
> Wayne
>
> On 12/3/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> Could you explain  about what pool is?  If both my wife and I want to
>> ride
>> in the Uber do I need to schedule a pool ride or do something differently
>> for two of us?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions
>>
>> I have used both, but now use lyft pretty much exclusively. Prices do
>> vary,
>>
>> even on the same trip. Prices are generally higher during the evening,
>> but
>> last evening I took a trip on Lyft during a time when the price is
>> usually
>> higher, and it wasn't, so go figure. Also, when using lyft Line or Uber
>> Pool, the price for the 2nd passenger can very from 39 cents to $1.50.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Wayne Merritt" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions
>>
>>
>>>I use Uber several times per week. Both Uber and Lyft are extremely
>>> easy to use. As far as pricing goes, when there is extremely high
>>> demand like Sieghard mentioned, Uber goes into Surge Pricing. You will
>>> be told of the higher prices when booking your trip and given an
>>> opportunity to cancel or continue. I have heard from others that Lyft
>>> does has Surge Pricing every so often, but my friends say that Lyft
>>> may not have as much Surge Pricing and Uber does. I don't know for
>>> sure since I've taken Uber quite heavily the last few months. Also, if
>>> you frequent one or both services often enough, you will get emails
>>> and notifications about discounts for the week, such as half off the
>>> first 10 rides. You can schedule a ride in advance with both services.
>>> I have done this on both, but I like the notifications you get in
>>> advance of a scheduled trip on Uber better than Lyft. Uber gives you a
>>> notification at 30 and then 5 minutes before your scheduled trip,
>>> where Lyft only gives a text or notification 10 minutes before.
>>> Regarding getting the driver to help you, Uber and Lyft are like
>>> paratransit services, where they are technically just door to door, or
>>> curb to curb service. I have asked some drivers to help me inside a
>>> building or to find a specific place, but not all will be willing. If
>>> they do, then I am sure to give them a better rating and even a tip at
>>> the end. And you can tip with Uber and Lyft. This is one other thing
>>> that Lyft does better. You will get an emailed receipt after each trip
>>> on both services, but Lyft is good about telling you how much your
>>> trip was before you tip. Uber does not do this. I have to look in the
>>> menu, then Your Trips, then I can find out how much my ride was. Both
>>> services are great over all and worth the trouble since they can help
>>> to increase your independence and flexibility when traveling around
>>> town. By the way,
>>>
>>> Happy riding,
>>> Wyne
>>>
>>> On 12/2/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 One thing I found at least here in Canada when I used Uber in Calgary
 is
 that with their high-demand upcharge it is often cheaper to take a taxi
 during such times of the day. It's amazing how a Uber quote can vary
 even
 from now to 5 minutes later and while I guess this is part of the
 supply

 and
 demand principal of economy I don't like it too much. If I see the
 message
 about pricing being higher due to high demand I simply close the Uber
 app
 and call a cab.


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 Behalf

Re: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[Robin]

True That!
I recall RetailSales at My MobileCarrier,VZW 
showing me Accessibility on Apple's iPhone & 
Noting Most Blind Gravitate towards it, 
but Samsung's GalaxyS3 (at the time) are just as 
Accessible to the Blind

&
Another RetailSales told me that Accessibility on 
Samsung's Android is Easier than Apple's on an iPhone

At 11:54 PM 12/3/2017, you wrote:
And they are so responsive and courteous to us 
blind users. One day my daughter was showing 
them how to turn speech on and they were so 
interested that all of the store employees 
gathered around and watched and asked questions. 
so they were well prepared if another blind user 
ever came in that store. We actually had a 
T-mobile employee reach out to us on another 
list that I'm on because they were working with 
a blind user and wanted to educate themselves so they could better help her.



On 12/4/2017 1:42 AM, lenron brown wrote:

I must say I love T-Mobile. When I had problems with my 6s plus a
couple months ago. They didn't try to force me to upgrade or anything.
They said oh we will do what we can to save you money, and they ended
up replacing my 6s plus with a 7plus 128 gb version. That I will be
done paying off next month because I didn't have to start over.

On 12/4/17, Gordon  wrote:

I've been with T-mobile since 2008 and they've always been like this no
matter if it's a store or a rep over the phone. When I was with At
years ago they would always try to sell me something to make more money.
However T-mobile has always found ways to save me money. the reps over
the phone would always look at my account and tell me what I could do to
save money. I had called in one time and ended up saving $22 on my bill
by the time the call ended. And they even gave me the savings back to
when my current cycle started instead of prorating my bill.

On 12/4/2017 12:36 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular
feelings about Apple's new phone.
December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST

Not worth it?
César Salza / CNET
I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and when
I
see someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as
the
carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push toward
unlimited data.
Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the
right
phone?
Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to
see
how they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel 2.
In
both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a
better phone than the iPhone X.
What would T-Mobile tell me?
I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the
iPhone 8 last week.
Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was
desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone?
Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now
slightly
rusty-looking iPhone 6?
I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out.
It all started well enough
A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not
everyone looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade.
"You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the glass
back. But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he
said.
"But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right
now?"
"That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the
8's."
Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not yet,
it
seemed.
"Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a lot
of
8's?" I asked.
"No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a promotion."
I then asked him about the iPhone X. He couldn't show me how Face ID
works,
because each phone can only work with one person's face.
He insisted, though, that it was secure. "I think there's a
million-to-one
chance that someone else's face will open your phone," he said.
iPhone X? It's not worth the extra 200 bucks
Then things took a strange turn.
He suddenly volunteered that it took more time to get to all your apps on
the X than it did with the iPhone 8 Plus.
"With the 8 Plus, you just double-click on the home button and, look,
there
they all are," he said. "With iPhone X, it's messier." He showed me how
much
messier, as he made several gestures to achieve the same effect.
So the future of the smartphone takes you back in time, not forward?
"A lot of people aren't buying the X because they miss the home button,"
he
said. "Look, there's not much difference between the X and 

replacement MacBook Air Charger

[Vicki W.]

I am looking for a replacement charger for a MacBook Air and wondering what the 
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Thank you.

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Re: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[lenron brown]

Everyone knows that T-Mobile doesn't work so well in country areas.
They have done quite a bit to improve this, doesn't make them a bad
company. The X might be a good phone is it the best IPhone for
everyone, no it isn't. I am much happier with my 7plus than I feel I
would be with the X.

On 12/4/17, Paul Richard McGann  wrote:
> mark,
>
> I did check iphone x and investigated. no hme button, but only wants face to
>
> look at you to unlock.
>
> it is silly of apple of doing this. that is because in past, after what
> happened in shootings in santa monica, fbi had iphones that belonged to
> shooters. fbi needed to opento investigate something, but apple came up to
> block as they refused to cooperate. it is because of perosnal issues as they
>
> can't break. I applauded apple for protecting privacy. as if someone would
> steal iphones like this. but for fbi and police reasons, it would be more
> helpful. like wallets. fbi and police don't care for  perosnal thigns, but
> they want to find ids and make sure of this. now, mark, apple has health
> app. one of my close friends got stabbed and he dialed 911 fro iphone and he
>
> was lying on sdewalk. olice came over and took care of his iphone. they
> checked for his health for blood type, for medicine, and others that would
> save his life. fbi didn't care for anything for his perosnal things.
>
> I have health app as I use for my name, my medicine, my sister's name to
> contact for emergency as police can check and find out plus they can see
> what kind of communication methods I need. they can see who is my
> interpreter service. this would help police contacting interpreter service
> to arrange for itnerpreters to pop up for tactile communciaton.
>
> mark, apple is missing a lot as they lack reality. they have forgotten about
>
> edward snowden sharing about nsa as why there are many issues. apple
> realizes this.
>
> mark, my question is why do you care for iphone without home button?only
> press power button andf press home button to unlock. that is all.
>
> mark, each time when we upgrade ios version, at the egining, it keeps
> repeating asking quesitons if we need touch, passcode, and face photo. I
> roll up eyes why wasting times ignoring as I click but they stay stubborn
> and it takes several minutes to get out of touch, passcode and photo and go
>
> on normal. I am tired. of all jokes.it is ridiculous for apple to do for
> blind and deafblind like this.
>
> sincerely,
> rich
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Taylor
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it -
> CNET
>
> I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
> Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular
> feelings about Apple's new phone.
> December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST
>
> Not worth it?
> César Salza / CNET
> I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and when I
> see someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
> Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as the
> carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push toward
> unlimited data.
> Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the right
> phone?
> Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to see
> how they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
> I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel 2. In
> both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
> I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a
> better phone than the iPhone X.
> What would T-Mobile tell me?
> I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the
> iPhone 8 last week.
> Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was
> desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone?
> Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now slightly
> rusty-looking iPhone 6?
> I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out.
> It all started well enough
> A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
> I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not
> everyone looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
> He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade.
> "You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the glass
> back. But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he said.
> "But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right
> now?"
> "That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the
> 8's."
> Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not yet,
> it
> seemed.
> "Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a lot
> of
> 8's?" I asked.
> "No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a 

Did any of you succeed in activating the two factors authentication without problems?

[Cris Ali]

Hi folks,
I looked at the steps to activate the person to person pay, but it requires the 
activation of the two factors authentication.  I understand that it is very 
difficult to do that with voice over.  I also heard that the code you receive 
via text to authenticate your device is time sensitive and it expires within 30 
seconds or so.
For those who succeeded in activating the two factors authentication, how did 
you do that?  Are there any tips you may want to share?

Cheers,
Cris

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RE: Lift and Uber questions

[Chip Orange]

Thanks ... but I'm not sure what a pool trip is?  Is this sharing with other 
riders, we probably won't do that, so if booking a normal Uber will it still 
ask one or two seats?

Thanks,

Chip



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions

Chip,
When booking your Uber Pool trip, and I'm assuming the same will be
true for Lyft Line, you will be asked how many seats you will need.
The choices are 1 or 2. Once you have made the selection, the rest of
the booking process is the same.

Hth,
Wayne

On 12/3/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
> Could you explain  about what pool is?  If both my wife and I want to ride
> in the Uber do I need to schedule a pool ride or do something differently
> for two of us?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions
>
> I have used both, but now use lyft pretty much exclusively. Prices do vary,
>
> even on the same trip. Prices are generally higher during the evening, but
> last evening I took a trip on Lyft during a time when the price is usually
> higher, and it wasn't, so go figure. Also, when using lyft Line or Uber
> Pool, the price for the 2nd passenger can very from 39 cents to $1.50.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Wayne Merritt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Lift and Uber questions
>
>
>>I use Uber several times per week. Both Uber and Lyft are extremely
>> easy to use. As far as pricing goes, when there is extremely high
>> demand like Sieghard mentioned, Uber goes into Surge Pricing. You will
>> be told of the higher prices when booking your trip and given an
>> opportunity to cancel or continue. I have heard from others that Lyft
>> does has Surge Pricing every so often, but my friends say that Lyft
>> may not have as much Surge Pricing and Uber does. I don't know for
>> sure since I've taken Uber quite heavily the last few months. Also, if
>> you frequent one or both services often enough, you will get emails
>> and notifications about discounts for the week, such as half off the
>> first 10 rides. You can schedule a ride in advance with both services.
>> I have done this on both, but I like the notifications you get in
>> advance of a scheduled trip on Uber better than Lyft. Uber gives you a
>> notification at 30 and then 5 minutes before your scheduled trip,
>> where Lyft only gives a text or notification 10 minutes before.
>> Regarding getting the driver to help you, Uber and Lyft are like
>> paratransit services, where they are technically just door to door, or
>> curb to curb service. I have asked some drivers to help me inside a
>> building or to find a specific place, but not all will be willing. If
>> they do, then I am sure to give them a better rating and even a tip at
>> the end. And you can tip with Uber and Lyft. This is one other thing
>> that Lyft does better. You will get an emailed receipt after each trip
>> on both services, but Lyft is good about telling you how much your
>> trip was before you tip. Uber does not do this. I have to look in the
>> menu, then Your Trips, then I can find out how much my ride was. Both
>> services are great over all and worth the trouble since they can help
>> to increase your independence and flexibility when traveling around
>> town. By the way,
>>
>> Happy riding,
>> Wyne
>>
>> On 12/2/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> One thing I found at least here in Canada when I used Uber in Calgary is
>>> that with their high-demand upcharge it is often cheaper to take a taxi
>>> during such times of the day. It's amazing how a Uber quote can vary
>>> even
>>> from now to 5 minutes later and while I guess this is part of the supply
>>>
>>> and
>>> demand principal of economy I don't like it too much. If I see the
>>> message
>>> about pricing being higher due to high demand I simply close the Uber
>>> app
>>> and call a cab.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Terri Stimmel
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:10 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Lift and Uber questions
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the Lift App on my phone. But I've never used it. From the looks
>>> of
>>> it, the App seems pretty accessible.
>>>
>>> I have a friend who uses Uber, and he says it's accessible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is 1 App more accessible than the other?
>>>
>>> Also, are there much differences in the prices of trips?
>>>
>>> And how do you put in information when you make a trip with either App?
>>>

Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Kay Malmquist]

Yes, with all the critters and people roaming around in our house I have 
found that it does a really good job and with all the pollen around here in 
the summer it even keeps up with that.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Rash" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Is Roomba Accessible?


Is it good for wood floors as well?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

I like the Roomba but am not up to date on the current models.  I have an 
older one and my partner was a sighted guy and he was very impressed as to 
how well it cleaned.  We have always had animals around from a couple of 
dogs and a few cats and birds and it kept up with the hair nicely.  The 
newer models have fans that pull the hair and dirt in to the cleaning pan.
I still would go through the house where there is carpet every once in a 
while with an upright vacuum and do a deep cleaning but as far as keeping 
the hair and feathers down you can't beat it.  The app is super and very 
accessible.  Other people could tell you currently what are the best models 
to get for pets.  Yes, in my opinion they work.  Back in the day, I trained 
my guide dog to  find Henry, which was what I called the downstairs Roomba, 
when he got lost and couldn't find the charger.  She loved finding that 
little beast for me.  Now,any more that isn't as much of a problem and you 
can program what rooms it will do and in what order.  It will go back to the 
doc and charge itself if it needs to before it is done and then resume its 
task.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Is Roomba Accessible?


Hi Scott,

I was also interested in these robotic vacuums, but my Mom bought a Neato
connected vacuum last year after she had hip replacement surgery and was
less able to do stuff for a while. I know Sandy from Ireland is a huge fan,
but after seeing it work at my Mom's house I wouldn't buy one. She has a
medium sized border collie and probably after every second cleaning she has
to completely take the thing apart, clean out all the little brushes, make
sure the sensors are clean and so on. They do have a good-size house (maybe
1,300 or 1,400 square feet on the main fllor, but the kitchen and living
room are very open, then there is the entry way with stairs going into the
basement and a hallway going towards the master bedroom, it is the only
other room upstairs except for a small bathroom (just toilet and sink) for
everybody to use and the bathroom that is connected to the master bedroom.
The bedroom is quite large.
The Neato can't clean the entire upstairs on one charge and I have seen it
go round and round visiting the same places all over and not going to other
places. Maybe the house is too complicated, quite a bit of furniture, rugs
and a few odd corners and angles but while it will clean OK where it goes it
is definitely not super-impressive and at least in my Mom's house it gets
stuck at least once or twice during each cleaning.
I know you asked about the Roomba, maybe  your place is smaller, but with
two dogs I'd not set my expectations too high and just in case I'd ask what
their satisfaction policy is. I had a central vacuum installed a few years
ago and my wife and I decided that spending 15 or 20 minutes a couple of
times a week to vacuum is not reall that big of a deal so no robotic vacuum
for us at least not until they are even much better than they are.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be
best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with
VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the
box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the
house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this
would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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RE: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Tom Rash]

Is it good for wood floors as well?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

I like the Roomba but am not up to date on the current models.  I have an older 
one and my partner was a sighted guy and he was very impressed as to how well 
it cleaned.  We have always had animals around from a couple of dogs and a few 
cats and birds and it kept up with the hair nicely.  The newer models have fans 
that pull the hair and dirt in to the cleaning pan. 
I still would go through the house where there is carpet every once in a while 
with an upright vacuum and do a deep cleaning but as far as keeping the hair 
and feathers down you can't beat it.  The app is super and very accessible.  
Other people could tell you currently what are the best models to get for pets. 
 Yes, in my opinion they work.  Back in the day, I trained my guide dog to  
find Henry, which was what I called the downstairs Roomba, when he got lost and 
couldn't find the charger.  She loved finding that little beast for me.  
Now,any more that isn't as much of a problem and you can program what rooms it 
will do and in what order.  It will go back to the doc and charge itself if it 
needs to before it is done and then resume its task.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Is Roomba Accessible?


Hi Scott,

I was also interested in these robotic vacuums, but my Mom bought a Neato 
connected vacuum last year after she had hip replacement surgery and was 
less able to do stuff for a while. I know Sandy from Ireland is a huge fan, 
but after seeing it work at my Mom's house I wouldn't buy one. She has a 
medium sized border collie and probably after every second cleaning she has 
to completely take the thing apart, clean out all the little brushes, make 
sure the sensors are clean and so on. They do have a good-size house (maybe 
1,300 or 1,400 square feet on the main fllor, but the kitchen and living 
room are very open, then there is the entry way with stairs going into the 
basement and a hallway going towards the master bedroom, it is the only 
other room upstairs except for a small bathroom (just toilet and sink) for 
everybody to use and the bathroom that is connected to the master bedroom. 
The bedroom is quite large.
The Neato can't clean the entire upstairs on one charge and I have seen it 
go round and round visiting the same places all over and not going to other 
places. Maybe the house is too complicated, quite a bit of furniture, rugs 
and a few odd corners and angles but while it will clean OK where it goes it 
is definitely not super-impressive and at least in my Mom's house it gets 
stuck at least once or twice during each cleaning.
I know you asked about the Roomba, maybe  your place is smaller, but with 
two dogs I'd not set my expectations too high and just in case I'd ask what 
their satisfaction policy is. I had a central vacuum installed a few years 
ago and my wife and I decided that spending 15 or 20 minutes a couple of 
times a week to vacuum is not reall that big of a deal so no robotic vacuum 
for us at least not until they are even much better than they are.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the 
house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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Playing Documents Back to Back

[K. Scott Carlson]

According to the manual, you can adjust this in "advanced settings". The 
only settings I have seen that look like this are "advanced audio 
settings' and there is no setting to adjust as to whether the next 
document will play after the previous documents ends. It looks like the 
manual is really out of date here.


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Re: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Kay Malmquist]

I like the Roomba but am not up to date on the current models.  I have an 
older one and my partner was a sighted guy and he was very impressed as to 
how well it cleaned.  We have always had animals around from a couple of 
dogs and a few cats and birds and it kept up with the hair nicely.  The 
newer models have fans that pull the hair and dirt in to the cleaning pan. 
I still would go through the house where there is carpet every once in a 
while with an upright vacuum and do a deep cleaning but as far as keeping 
the hair and feathers down you can't beat it.  The app is super and very 
accessible.  Other people could tell you currently what are the best models 
to get for pets.  Yes, in my opinion they work.  Back in the day, I trained 
my guide dog to  find Henry, which was what I called the downstairs Roomba, 
when he got lost and couldn't find the charger.  She loved finding that 
little beast for me.  Now,any more that isn't as much of a problem and you 
can program what rooms it will do and in what order.  It will go back to the 
doc and charge itself if it needs to before it is done and then resume its 
task.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Is Roomba Accessible?


Hi Scott,

I was also interested in these robotic vacuums, but my Mom bought a Neato 
connected vacuum last year after she had hip replacement surgery and was 
less able to do stuff for a while. I know Sandy from Ireland is a huge fan, 
but after seeing it work at my Mom's house I wouldn't buy one. She has a 
medium sized border collie and probably after every second cleaning she has 
to completely take the thing apart, clean out all the little brushes, make 
sure the sensors are clean and so on. They do have a good-size house (maybe 
1,300 or 1,400 square feet on the main fllor, but the kitchen and living 
room are very open, then there is the entry way with stairs going into the 
basement and a hallway going towards the master bedroom, it is the only 
other room upstairs except for a small bathroom (just toilet and sink) for 
everybody to use and the bathroom that is connected to the master bedroom. 
The bedroom is quite large.
The Neato can't clean the entire upstairs on one charge and I have seen it 
go round and round visiting the same places all over and not going to other 
places. Maybe the house is too complicated, quite a bit of furniture, rugs 
and a few odd corners and angles but while it will clean OK where it goes it 
is definitely not super-impressive and at least in my Mom's house it gets 
stuck at least once or twice during each cleaning.
I know you asked about the Roomba, maybe  your place is smaller, but with 
two dogs I'd not set my expectations too high and just in case I'd ask what 
their satisfaction policy is. I had a central vacuum installed a few years 
ago and my wife and I decided that spending 15 or 20 minutes a couple of 
times a week to vacuum is not reall that big of a deal so no robotic vacuum 
for us at least not until they are even much better than they are.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be 
best for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with 
VoiceOver and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the 
box? Both my wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the 
house so I would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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RE: Is Roomba Accessible?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Scott,

I was also interested in these robotic vacuums, but my Mom bought a Neato 
connected vacuum last year after she had hip replacement surgery and was less 
able to do stuff for a while. I know Sandy from Ireland is a huge fan, but 
after seeing it work at my Mom's house I wouldn't buy one. She has a medium 
sized border collie and probably after every second cleaning she has to 
completely take the thing apart, clean out all the little brushes, make sure 
the sensors are clean and so on. They do have a good-size house (maybe 1,300 or 
1,400 square feet on the main fllor, but the kitchen and living room are very 
open, then there is the entry way with stairs going into the basement and a 
hallway going towards the master bedroom, it is the only other room upstairs 
except for a small bathroom (just toilet and sink) for everybody to use and the 
bathroom that is connected to the master bedroom. The bedroom is quite large.
The Neato can't clean the entire upstairs on one charge and I have seen it go 
round and round visiting the same places all over and not going to other 
places. Maybe the house is too complicated, quite a bit of furniture, rugs and 
a few odd corners and angles but while it will clean OK where it goes it is 
definitely not super-impressive and at least in my Mom's house it gets stuck at 
least once or twice during each cleaning. 
I know you asked about the Roomba, maybe  your place is smaller, but with two 
dogs I'd not set my expectations too high and just in case I'd ask what their 
satisfaction policy is. I had a central vacuum installed a few years ago and my 
wife and I decided that spending 15 or 20 minutes a couple of times a week to 
vacuum is not reall that big of a deal so no robotic vacuum for us at least not 
until they are even much better than they are.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Scott Rumery
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is Roomba Accessible?

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be best 
for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with VoiceOver 
and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the box? Both my 
wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the house so I 
would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this would be 
greatly appreciated.

Thank You,



Scott Rumery

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RE: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Of course comparing a phone call to text messaging is like comparing a 
face-to-face meeting with writing letters and sending them in the mail. You can 
discuss in a 1 or 2 minute phone call what it would take 10 text messages to 
accomplish.

Also, the same 25-year anniversary of texting was discussed in a CBC article. 
Since this first text message was sent in England, they also gave some facts 
about the usage of text messages in England. Here they say that the number of 
text messages sent peaked in 2012 and has been steadily declining since then. 
Of course that may be due to other services such as Facebook or Whats App where 
many messages sent are also text.

It is, however, astonishing how far we have come in those 25 years, in 1992 
almost nobody even had a cell phone let alone a digital camera, the internet as 
such barely existed although email was well on its way. But who talked about 
companies having websites, about a huge portion of shopping getting done 
online, about connected devices or even self-driving cars.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

OMG! Texting is 25 years old
The first SMS was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, but it would be a couple of years 
before phones could do it.
December 3, 2017 4:20 PM PST

Texting turned 25 on Sunday, ICYMI.
The first text message was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, by British engineer Neil 
Papworth to Richard Jarvis, an executive at British telecom Vodafone, who was 
attending his company's holiday party in Newbury, England. 
Typed out on a PC, it was sent to Jarvis's Orbitel 901, a mobile phone that 
would take up most of your laptop backpack, and read: Merry Christmas. But 
Jarvis didn't send a reply because there was no way to send a text from a phone 
in those days.
Although Papworth is credited with sending the first text message, he's not the 
so-called father of SMS. That honor (or blame) falls on Matti Makkonen, who 
initially suggested the idea back in 1984 at a telecommunications conference. 
But texting didn't take off over night. First it had to be incorporated into 
the then-budding GSM standard. Makkonen feels the technology actually was 
launched in 1994 when Nokia unveiled its 2010 mobile phone, the first device 
that let people easily write messages.
Today, about 97 percent of smartphone owners use text messaging, according to 
Pew Research, and along the way, a new set of sub-languages based on 
abbreviations and keyboard-based imagery has evolved. More than 561 billion 
text messages were sent worldwide in June 2014, about 18.7 billion texts sent 
every day, according researcher TextRequest.
Texting has become so popular that most Americans would rather type it than say 
it. US smartphone users are sending and receiving five times as many texts 
compared with the number of phone calls each day, according to the 
International Smartphone Mobility Report by mobile data tracking firm Infomate.
Isn't that GR8?

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Re: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[Paul Richard McGann]

mark,

I did check iphone x and investigated. no hme button, but only wants face to 
look at you to unlock.


it is silly of apple of doing this. that is because in past, after what 
happened in shootings in santa monica, fbi had iphones that belonged to 
shooters. fbi needed to opento investigate something, but apple came up to 
block as they refused to cooperate. it is because of perosnal issues as they 
can't break. I applauded apple for protecting privacy. as if someone would 
steal iphones like this. but for fbi and police reasons, it would be more 
helpful. like wallets. fbi and police don't care for  perosnal thigns, but 
they want to find ids and make sure of this. now, mark, apple has health 
app. one of my close friends got stabbed and he dialed 911 fro iphone and he 
was lying on sdewalk. olice came over and took care of his iphone. they 
checked for his health for blood type, for medicine, and others that would 
save his life. fbi didn't care for anything for his perosnal things.


I have health app as I use for my name, my medicine, my sister's name to 
contact for emergency as police can check and find out plus they can see 
what kind of communication methods I need. they can see who is my 
interpreter service. this would help police contacting interpreter service 
to arrange for itnerpreters to pop up for tactile communciaton.


mark, apple is missing a lot as they lack reality. they have forgotten about 
edward snowden sharing about nsa as why there are many issues. apple 
realizes this.


mark, my question is why do you care for iphone without home button?only 
press power button andf press home button to unlock. that is all.


mark, each time when we upgrade ios version, at the egining, it keeps 
repeating asking quesitons if we need touch, passcode, and face photo. I 
roll up eyes why wasting times ignoring as I click but they stay stubborn 
and it takes several minutes to get out of touch, passcode and photo and go 
on normal. I am tired. of all jokes.it is ridiculous for apple to do for 
blind and deafblind like this.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
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Subject: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - 
CNET


I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular
feelings about Apple's new phone.
December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST

Not worth it?
César Salza / CNET
I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and when I
see someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as the
carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push toward
unlimited data.
Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the right
phone?
Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to see
how they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel 2. In
both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a
better phone than the iPhone X.
What would T-Mobile tell me?
I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the
iPhone 8 last week.
Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was
desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone?
Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now slightly
rusty-looking iPhone 6?
I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out.
It all started well enough
A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not
everyone looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade.
"You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the glass
back. But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he said.
"But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right now?"
"That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the
8's."
Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not yet, it
seemed.
"Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a lot of
8's?" I asked.
"No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a promotion."
I then asked him about the iPhone X. He couldn't show me how Face ID works,
because each phone can only work with one person's face.
He insisted, though, that it was secure. "I think there's a million-to-one
chance that someone else's face will open your phone," he said.
iPhone X? It's not worth the extra 200 bucks
Then things took a strange turn.
He suddenly volunteered that it took more time to get to all your apps on
the X than it did with the iPhone 8 Plus.
"With the 8 Plus, you just 

Is Roomba Accessible?

[Scott Rumery]

Good Morning,

I am interested in getting an Roomba vacuum cleaner for our house for 
Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one and if so which model would be best 
for a house with 2 German Sheppards. Also, is the app accessible with VoiceOver 
and what about setting it up when it is first taken out of the box? Both my 
wife and I are blind and we do not have any sighted help in the house so I 
would have to get the unit set up on my own. Any help with this would be 
greatly appreciated.

Thank You,



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RE: Belkin keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
Most keyboards have a key that will act as the home button.
On my Logitech K480, the F1 key acts as a home button when pressed by itself.
I think there is at least one more that does that, but I usually use VO-h, 
though some of my clients, f1 is easier.

Richard


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Sometime ago I saw a Belkin blue tooth keyboard with a dedicated home 
button, and I think some other dedicated buttons, ideal for a person 
not really comfortable with technology who wants to use an iPhone. 
.  If someone has one to sell, I would be interested. Or if you could 
tell me what it's name is, I could find it on Amazon.  I will be 
working with a student who needs as little expertise as 
possible--his, not mine--and a keyboard with dedicated buttons would 
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Re: Apple Releases iOS 11.2; Bringing Many Fixes for Braille and VoiceOver Users

[christopher hallsworth]

Apple Pay Cash is the name of the new person to person payment system coming to 
all US iOS 11.2 and watchOS 4.2 users.

> On 4 Dec 2017, at 04:43, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> What is Apple PPay Cash? If that is the same as person-to-person payments 
> than I thought it said in the article from Applevis that it was now available 
> in the US?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 4:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Releases iOS 11.2; Bringing Many Fixes for Braille and 
> VoiceOver Users
> 
> Apple Pay Cash has not yet been activated on this release.  I will continue 
> to wait to upgrade to iOS 11 until Apple delivers upon what it promised at 
> WWDC.
> 
> 
> Kelly
> 
> On 12/2/17, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> Apple released ios 11.2 overnight, and below is an article from 
>> AppleVis about all of the new features and voice over bug fixes.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple Releases iOS 11.2; Bringing Many Fixes for Braille and 
>>> VoiceOver Users AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of 
>>> Apple products ...  / AppleVis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple has today released iOS 11.2, which brings a number of fixes; 
>>> enhancements; and changes for blind and low vision users.
>>> 
>>> This release appears to have been rushed out by Apple to address a 
>>> rather nasty bug related to some notifications generated after 12:15 
>>> a.m. local time on December 2 causing devices to enter a soft reset loop.
>>> AppleInsider has more on this bug.
>>> 
>>> Fixes
>>> 
>>> When using a braille display or braille keyboard for text input, the 
>>> translator now recognizes all characters if you type quickly.
>>> Braille focus and jumping issues appear to be resolved.
>>> The Braille Screen Input cursor is now placed in the correct location 
>>> in text views.
>>> Braille focus will now follow finger when touching in iBooks.
>>> Siri voices will no longer be deleted when downloaded for VoiceOver 
>>> usage.
>>> There is once again a sound effect played when using the volume 
>>> up/down buttons to change the volume level.
>>> Prices preceded by the British Pound symbol are now Spoken Correctly 
>>> by VoiceOver.
>>> On the Mini Player in the native Music app, VoiceOver once again 
>>> reads the name of the currently selected device on the “Audio Destination” 
>>> button.
>>> After performing a search in the App Store, VoiceOver will no longer 
>>> behave as if the list of trending searches is present and accessible 
>>> at the end of the list of search results.
>>> Smart Invert now works in the Control Center.
>>> The incoming call screen has improved support of Invert Colors.
>>> The app review interface is now accessible with VoiceOver for rating 
>>> apps inline.
>>> The Apple TV remote in Control Center has VoiceOver improvements.
>>> Stand hours in the Activity app are now announced correctly by VoiceOver.
>>> Heart rate data in the native Health app is now spoken correctly by 
>>> VoiceOver.
>>> The iOS Item Chooser appears to be working correctly again.
>>> In the Phone app, you can once again use the VoiceOver Actions rotor 
>>> to paste telephone numbers in to the text field.
>>> Movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through a story in the 
>>> native News app is more consistent and reliable.
>>> In the native Files app, there no longer appear to be occasions when 
>>> the “Delete” option would be listed twice in the VoiceOver Actions Rotor.
>>> In the App Store, locating the “My Account” button is more reliable 
>>> when swiping, making the movement of VoiceOver focus behave as expected.
>>> In the native Contacts app, locating your own contact card in the 
>>> list view is more reliable when swiping, making the movement of 
>>> VoiceOver focus behave as expected.
>>> If a bluetooth keyboard supports a "Home button" key, it should now 
>>> work with VoiceOver again.
>>> The graphic on the settings page for Emergency SOS now has a 
>>> VoiceOver label.
>>> There appear to be improvements to how VoiceOver handles math 
>>> formulas on web pages.
>>> There no longer appear to be occasions when playback of audio will 
>>> break-up and crackle; and require VoiceOver to be turned off and back 
>>> on again to restore normal audio output.
>>> The Siri voices appear to be much more responsive when used with 
>>> VoiceOver.
>>> The completeness of VoiceOver recognition of text in images appears 
>>> to have been improved.
>>> Text recognition in images now works regardless of Screen Curtain or 
>>> brightness settings.
>>> VoiceOver now attempts to recognize the text of unlabeled buttons in 
>>> apps—presenting this information as "possible text."
>>> Audio destination will now only appear in the VoiceOver Rotor for 
>>> AirPlay routes. This Rotor item can be 

Reading Pocket Articles in Voicedream

[K. Scott Carlson]

Once I've connected Voicedream to Pocket and added a bunch of articles 
from Pocket into my RSS reader, how do I get the articles from Pocket to 
Voicedream and have them read back to back?


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Belkin keyboard

[Ann Byrne]

Sometime ago I saw a Belkin blue tooth keyboard with a dedicated home 
button, and I think some other dedicated buttons, ideal for a person 
not really comfortable with technology who wants to use an iPhone. 
.  If someone has one to sell, I would be interested. Or if you could 
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Re: IOS 11.2 update. question help.

[Mário Navarro]

Hi Sharonda.
Yes, this is one of the issues of BT in IOS 11.
that's why I asked here in the group if some of these issues have been 
fixed.



long life to IOS 10.

thanks.


cheers.


Às 11:32 de 04/12/2017, Sharonda Greenlaw escreveu:
I've had the situation where the keyboard would not write without 
turning it off and back on again a few times. I will be glad when this 
is fixed.


Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes

On Dec 3, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:


I’ve been using the Logitech K480 on iOS 11 through the current 
11.1.2, and for the most part, no double letters.


I try to remember to lock the phone before turning off the keyboard 
and turning the keyboard on while the phone is locked.


That is no guarantee that double letters won’t happen, but it is very 
seldom.


Now, just the other day, I had a situation where I could navigate 
with the VO plus arrow keys, etc., but it wasn’t writing in a note, 
even though I toggled quick Nav on and off a couple of times.


I had to turn off the keyboard and back on before it worked.

That was new to me.

For the most part however, it works quite well.

Richard

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mário Navarro

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*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: IOS 11.2 update. question help.


hi Kevin.
Thanks for the help.

I'm talking about the issues in edit fields and double characters 
being entered with BT.

and all the issues related to editing text.
all these problems discussed in the topics on the applevis in IOS 11.
in IOS 10 on most of these issues have been fixed, but there are 
still some.

now on IOS 11, things got worse again.
This is what I read on various topics at applevis.
can you tell me if you still use the BT keyboard on IOS 11 with the 
same satisfaction of IOS 10?

thanks.
cheers.

Às 19:03 de 03/12/2017, Kevin Chao escreveu:

Hi Mário,

I use a Bluetooth keyboard with iOS 11.2 and do a fair amount of
text editing.
If you can link to a list or share some core issues that you’re
aware of, I can verify them.

Thanks!

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 10:57 PM Mário Navarro
> wrote:




Hi all.


someone can help?


I want to buy the iPhone 8 plus, but I'm afraid the issues
with the
bluetooth keyboard in ios 11 have not been fixed in this
update 11.2.
someone can confirm me if all the issues were fixed?
especially in text
editing?
I use a lot the bluetooth keyboard, and I would be extremely
disappointed with the purchase if all these issues are still
present in
this update of ios 11.2.
I can't not confirm this because I'm still with IOS 10.3.3.
and I'm still not completely convinced with the IOS 11 to
update my iPhone.
I think I'll stick with IOS 10.3.3 forever on my iPhone.
and it will be obvious if I buy the iPhone 8 plus, it will
come with IOS 11.

I always had the desire to get a Plus.

thank you all.
cheers.


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Re: IOS 11.2 update. question help.

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

I've had the situation where the keyboard would not write without turning it 
off and back on again a few times. I will be glad when this is fixed. 

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes 

> On Dec 3, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve been using the Logitech K480 on iOS 11 through the current 11.1.2, and 
> for the most part, no double letters.
> I try to remember to lock the phone before turning off the keyboard and 
> turning the keyboard on while the phone is locked.
>  
> That is no guarantee that double letters won’t happen, but it is very seldom.
>  
> Now, just the other day, I had a situation where I could navigate with the VO 
> plus arrow keys, etc., but it wasn’t writing in a note, even though I toggled 
>  quick Nav on and off a couple of times.
> I had to turn off the keyboard and back on before it worked.
>  
> That was new to me.
>  
> For the most part however, it works quite well.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mário Navarro
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 11.2 update. question help.
>  
>
> 
>  
> 
> 
> hi Kevin.
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> I'm talking about the issues in edit fields and double characters being 
> entered with BT.
> and all the issues related to editing text.
> all these problems discussed in the topics on the applevis in IOS 11.
> in IOS 10 on most of these issues have been fixed, but there are still some.
> now on IOS 11, things got worse again.
> This is what I read on various topics at applevis.
> can you tell me if you still use the BT keyboard on IOS 11 with the same 
> satisfaction of IOS 10?
> thanks.
> cheers.
> 
>  
> Às 19:03 de 03/12/2017, Kevin Chao escreveu:
> Hi Mário,
> 
> I use a Bluetooth keyboard with iOS 11.2 and do a fair amount of text editing.
> If you can link to a list or share some core issues that you’re aware of, I 
> can verify them.
> 
> Thanks!
>  
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 10:57 PM Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> 
> someone can help?
> 
> 
> I want to buy the iPhone 8 plus, but I'm afraid the issues with the
> bluetooth keyboard in ios 11 have not been fixed in this update 11.2.
> someone can confirm me if all the issues were fixed? especially in text
> editing?
> I use a lot the bluetooth keyboard, and I would be extremely
> disappointed with the purchase if all these issues are still present in
> this update of ios 11.2.
> I can't not confirm this because I'm still with IOS 10.3.3.
> and I'm still not completely convinced with the IOS 11 to update my iPhone.
> I think I'll stick with IOS 10.3.3 forever on my iPhone.
> and it will be obvious if I buy the iPhone 8 plus, it will come with IOS 11.
> 
> I always had the desire to get a Plus.
> 
> thank you all.
> cheers.
> 
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Re: Apple Releases iOS 11.2; Bringing Many Fixes for Braille and VoiceOver Users

[Peter Logan]

The payments feature will be enabled on Monday…

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> What is Apple PPay Cash? If that is the same as person-to-person payments 
> than I thought it said in the article from Applevis that it was now available 
> in the US?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 4:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Releases iOS 11.2; Bringing Many Fixes for Braille and 
> VoiceOver Users
> 
> Apple Pay Cash has not yet been activated on this release.  I will continue 
> to wait to upgrade to iOS 11 until Apple delivers upon what it promised at 
> WWDC.
> 
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 12/2/17, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> Apple released ios 11.2 overnight, and below is an article from 
>> AppleVis about all of the new features and voice over bug fixes.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple Releases iOS 11.2; Bringing Many Fixes for Braille and 
>>> VoiceOver Users AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of 
>>> Apple products ...  / AppleVis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple has today released iOS 11.2, which brings a number of fixes; 
>>> enhancements; and changes for blind and low vision users.
>>> 
>>> This release appears to have been rushed out by Apple to address a 
>>> rather nasty bug related to some notifications generated after 12:15 
>>> a.m. local time on December 2 causing devices to enter a soft reset loop.
>>> AppleInsider has more on this bug.
>>> 
>>> Fixes
>>> 
>>> When using a braille display or braille keyboard for text input, the 
>>> translator now recognizes all characters if you type quickly.
>>> Braille focus and jumping issues appear to be resolved.
>>> The Braille Screen Input cursor is now placed in the correct location 
>>> in text views.
>>> Braille focus will now follow finger when touching in iBooks.
>>> Siri voices will no longer be deleted when downloaded for VoiceOver 
>>> usage.
>>> There is once again a sound effect played when using the volume 
>>> up/down buttons to change the volume level.
>>> Prices preceded by the British Pound symbol are now Spoken Correctly 
>>> by VoiceOver.
>>> On the Mini Player in the native Music app, VoiceOver once again 
>>> reads the name of the currently selected device on the “Audio Destination” 
>>> button.
>>> After performing a search in the App Store, VoiceOver will no longer 
>>> behave as if the list of trending searches is present and accessible 
>>> at the end of the list of search results.
>>> Smart Invert now works in the Control Center.
>>> The incoming call screen has improved support of Invert Colors.
>>> The app review interface is now accessible with VoiceOver for rating 
>>> apps inline.
>>> The Apple TV remote in Control Center has VoiceOver improvements.
>>> Stand hours in the Activity app are now announced correctly by VoiceOver.
>>> Heart rate data in the native Health app is now spoken correctly by 
>>> VoiceOver.
>>> The iOS Item Chooser appears to be working correctly again.
>>> In the Phone app, you can once again use the VoiceOver Actions rotor 
>>> to paste telephone numbers in to the text field.
>>> Movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through a story in the 
>>> native News app is more consistent and reliable.
>>> In the native Files app, there no longer appear to be occasions when 
>>> the “Delete” option would be listed twice in the VoiceOver Actions Rotor.
>>> In the App Store, locating the “My Account” button is more reliable 
>>> when swiping, making the movement of VoiceOver focus behave as expected.
>>> In the native Contacts app, locating your own contact card in the 
>>> list view is more reliable when swiping, making the movement of 
>>> VoiceOver focus behave as expected.
>>> If a bluetooth keyboard supports a "Home button" key, it should now 
>>> work with VoiceOver again.
>>> The graphic on the settings page for Emergency SOS now has a 
>>> VoiceOver label.
>>> There appear to be improvements to how VoiceOver handles math 
>>> formulas on web pages.
>>> There no longer appear to be occasions when playback of audio will 
>>> break-up and crackle; and require VoiceOver to be turned off and back 
>>> on again to restore normal audio output.
>>> The Siri voices appear to be much more responsive when used with 
>>> VoiceOver.
>>> The completeness of VoiceOver recognition of text in images appears 
>>> to have been improved.
>>> Text recognition in images now works regardless of Screen Curtain or 
>>> brightness settings.
>>> VoiceOver now attempts to recognize the text of unlabeled buttons in 
>>> apps—presenting this information as "possible text."
>>> Audio destination will now only appear in the VoiceOver Rotor for 
>>> AirPlay routes. This Rotor item can be enabled/disabled in Settings.
>>> New Bugs
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