Re: Supersense, initial impressions

[Ryan Mann]

I downloaded Super Sense yesterday and I am pretty impressed with it.  One 
thing I noticed is that it tells me the wrong amount on dollar bills some 
times.  I had a one dollar bill and I was told it was a two dollar bill.  I 
have enough vision to be able to tell that I is a one dollar bill if I put it 
close enough to my eyes.  Also, I emailed you privately about speaking on Tech 
Time.  Did you get the emails?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Shane 
Lowe 
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 10:19:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Supersense, initial impressions

I'm very happy to hear that, Chris. Please let me know if there is
anything else I can do to improve the Supersense experience for you.
I'm making notes of everyone's suggestions, and hope to have a new
setting and implementation of column handling in the next month or
two.
The reason for the delay is that we are working on a simultaneous
project which I will reach out to the list about next week. ;)

On 12/8/20, Cris Ali  wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> Apparently it can detect handwriting automatically. You will not find a
> setting or an option designated as handwriting.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
>  That is fantastic that it can handle Arabic! something I will never need,
> grin.I will test the handwriting in English, I did not realize that is a
> feature.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
>  Hi Richard,
> Thanks for sharing your impressions of SuperSense with us. I got my promo
> code from Shane and did similar tests on Arabic text. I am happy with the
> results. Performing OCR on Arabic text is challenging.superSense passed the
> test. As expected, there were some recognition mistakes, but the text was
> easy to understand. What impressed me the most was the quality of the
> english handwriting recognition. I did not test the app on Arabic
> handwriting but may do that once I meet a friend who knows how to write
> Arabic. It is definitely superior to that of Seeing AI and Envision. I will
> do more testing in the next few days, but I am happy with what I found so
> far.
> I also agree with your suggestion. The future update should put the instant
> read in the off position, or give the users the choice in the settings.
> Cheers
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
>  I wrote him directly, rather than to the list.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
>  You got lucky Man. I received no promo codes. I am interested in apps that
> recognize Arabic text, and that was the reason for starting the discussion.
> I was able to try the instant read on an Arabic text and the result was
> disappointing. I tried to import a photo with Arabic text on it, the ocr
> quality was okay, but not any better than what i got when I imported the
> same photo to voice ocr which I got for free before the app became
> subscription only. I am interested in the document scan, if I get a promo
> code for that. I am also testing envision to see how it scores in
> comparison.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:30 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I’ve spent the last hour or so running SuperSense through its various modes,
> thanks to Shane’s promo code.
>
> in the document mode, Pros: I like the way it prompts you with specific
> messages, like move farther from the document; move an inch to the left,
> etc.
> I like the music while processing, very nice.
> The accuracy is very good.
>
> Cons: like most OCR apps, it cannot handle columns.  If it did, I would
> possibly buy it.
>
> Bar codes, Pros: Very fast.
> Cons: it did not recognize a hardback book ISBN while Seeing AI’s product
> channel did.  Otherwise, I think pretty even.
>
> Currency, Pros: very fast.
> Cons: I was scanning a $10 bill and when I moved the camera sideways, a
> couple times after saying $10, it said $50.
> That would be too confusing to someone who did not know or have another
> money identification app to double check with.
> Explore Mode, Pros: pretty quick and generally accurate.  I could see this
> helping someone in a hotel room find things like light switches,
> thermostats, etc.
> Cons: none at this time.
>
> Smart Scan, Pros: very fast and pretty accurate.
> Cons: it does not seem any better than Seeing AI’s Short Text mode.
>
> Quick Read, Pros: seems very fast.  Also quite accurate.
>
> No cons at this time.
>
> Overall:  I most certainly would never pay $100 for this app.
> I’m doubtful I would even spend $50.
>
> If I did not have other apps to get my scanning needs met, I would seriously
> consider spending the $50, but I’m not in need of it right now with the
> other apps I have.
>
> I 

RE: Silencing VO during calls

[Simon A Fogarty]

Try jut touching one finger to the screen in the top right hand corner,
It's away from anything important and should just stop things 

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Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2020 3:45 pm
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Subject: RE: Silencing VO during calls

These are two different commands, and depending on what you want, you may wish 
to use one command or the other. The three finger double tap turns off 
VoiceOver speech. VoiceOver won't speak anything at all again until you toggle 
speech back on with another three finger double tap. The two finger single tap 
just stops VoiceOver from what it's speaking at the moment. It'll start 
speaking again as soon as any event on your phone sends more text to the text 
to speech engine.

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> 
> Well, the three finger double tap will stop speech, but VO will 
> announce 'speech off', where as, the two finger single tap will stop 
> speech immediately, and is much more efficient in my view, but, as you say, 
> each to his, or her own.
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RE: Silencing VO during calls

[Christopher Chaltain]

These are two different commands, and depending on what you want, you may wish 
to use one command or the other. The three finger double tap turns off 
VoiceOver speech. VoiceOver won't speak anything at all again until you toggle 
speech back on with another three finger double tap. The two finger single tap 
just stops VoiceOver from what it's speaking at the moment. It'll start 
speaking again as soon as any event on your phone sends more text to the text 
to speech engine.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Holly
> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 5:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Well, the three finger double tap will stop speech, but VO will announce 
> 'speech
> off', where as, the two finger single tap will stop speech immediately, and is
> much more efficient in my view, but, as you say, each to his, or her own.
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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Holly]

Carolyn:

Good to know flicking will stop the minutes countdown.  Good tip!

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RE: Silencing VO during calls

[Carolyn]

When mine does the minutes, I just flick with one finger; that stops that. 

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Richard:

Sometimes I will hear VO start announcing the minutes of a phone call.  When I 
do a two finger single tap, it will stop speaking for the duration of my call.

I don't know about changing screens.

When I am reading an article and want VO to stop for some reason, I can do the 
tap and it will stop, then I can start it again with the same double finger 
single tap. 

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Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Michael Irons]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:32 PM, sreeb...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> You may want to check on this. 
> Verify if the settings under accessibility then spoken content then 
> pronunciation. In there check to see if there’s any word that is a 
> substitution for  The word paragraph 
> for example, if I created in pronunciation a  word  Let’s say “hello”  and 
> substitute that word to dodo , voiceover is going to read the word paragraph 
> any time it sees the word “hello” Just a thought.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sree B. roy
> 
> 703-973-7733 Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea then. the dictation feature clearly thinks it hears 
>> paragraph  then. Perhaps a call to Apple Accessibility?
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
>> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation 
>> in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me 
>> when I was young."
>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The word paragraph is in the text but he never spoke the word.  We don’t 
>>> know where or why dictation is getting the word paragraph from when it is 
>>> not said.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
 On 9 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 What is the punctuation setting on the phone that is reporting paragraph 
 when there isn't the word?
 
 If they are using line breaks, as in "new line" if punctuation is on all, 
 maybe it is determining that is a paragraph?
 That is a pure guess on my part.
 Otherwise, I'd say stop feeding the gremlins, grin.
 
 
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 Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?
 
 Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I 
 sent with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I 
 don't have that problem.
 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
> 
> When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used 
> dictation often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the 
> message without his having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this 
> and if so have you managed to resolve it?
> 
> I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: Picker List Item

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Esther,

Laughing is good for you so keep doing it,



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2020 10:29 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Picker List Item

I can't stop laughing. I love your statement! Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I didn’t know confusion was a state in the USA,

Isn’t that a suburb of DC,
Somewhere around 1600 pensilvainia ave?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 3:16 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Picker List Item

I did a double tap and tried flicking up and down but, I don't recall hearing, 
adjustable.  There was definitely not  acombobox below that I could find.

My wife was able to click on California to get it selected but, I don't believe 
my state of confusion was in the list!  LOL  Thanks much.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Picker List Item

Depending on the page, if you double tap it, you may hear adjustable.
If that works, flick up at that spot.
If not, you may find it lower down on the page where there is a combo box of 
sorts, where it may say, 1 of 53, or whatever.
Touch there and start flicking up.
If you are in a state early in the alphabet it ain’t too bad; now if you are in 
Washington, have fun!



Richard
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:17 PM
To: viPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Picker List Item

Howdy All,

Running iOS14.2 on an SE 2020 phone.  I was trying to fill out a medical form 
today and ran into a couple of Picker List...

I don't recall the full name of the thing but it was, Picker List... and how 
does one open this list?  I needed to open it to choose the state I live in, 
not my usual state of confusion!  LOL

All help is appreciated.  Thanks much.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Holly]

Well, the three finger double tap will stop speech, but VO will announce 
'speech off', where as, the two finger single tap will stop speech 
immediately, and is much more efficient in my view, but, as you say, each to 
his, or her own. 


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RE: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Jim Fettgather]

Here is a thought.

If you wish to create a new paragraph, you should say New Line.

I promise.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sreeb...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

 

You may want to check on this. 

Verify if the settings under accessibility then spoken content then 
pronunciation. In there check to see if there’s any word that is a substitution 
for  The word paragraph 

for example, if I created in pronunciation a  word  Let’s say “hello”  and 
substitute that word to dodo , voiceover is going to read the word paragraph 
any time it sees the word “hello” Just a thought.

Best regards,
Sree B. roy


703-973-7733 Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

I have no idea then. the dictation feature clearly thinks it hears paragraph  
then. Perhaps a call to Apple Accessibility?


Richard

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airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
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On Dec 9, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Malcolm Parfitt mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> > wrote:

 

The word paragraph is in the text but he never spoke the word.  We don’t know 
where or why dictation is getting the word paragraph from when it is not said.

 

Malcolm Parfitt

 

On 9 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

What is the punctuation setting on the phone that is reporting paragraph when 
there isn't the word?

 

If they are using line breaks, as in "new line" if punctuation is on all, maybe 
it is determining that is a paragraph?

That is a pure guess on my part.

Otherwise, I'd say stop feeding the gremlins, grin.

 

 

Richard

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Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

 

Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I sent 
with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I don't 
have that problem.

 

On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> > wrote:

 

When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used dictation 
often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the message without his 
having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this and if so have you managed 
to resolve it?

 

I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.

 

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RE: Silencing VO during calls

[Richard Turner]

Right, Holly, the two finger tap does silence VO, especially if you had done 
the two finger flick down then it acts like a pause button and if you don't do 
anything else with the screen, once you touch again with two fingers it 
continues reading where you stopped it.
I just would not count on it working all the time to mute VO during a call, 
that is what the 3 finger double tap does so nothing will speak and interrupt 
your call.
But, each function has its place and everyone uses VoiceOver differently based 
on preference, etc.
Neither one is wrong or right.




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Richard:

Sometimes I will hear VO start announcing the minutes of a phone call.  When I 
do a two finger single tap, it will stop speaking for the duration of my call.

I don't know about changing screens.

When I am reading an article and want VO to stop for some reason, I can do the 
tap and it will stop, then I can start it again with the same double finger 
single tap. 

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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Holly]

Richard:

Sometimes I will hear VO start announcing the minutes of a phone call.  When 
I do a two finger single tap, it will stop speaking for the duration of my 
call.


I don't know about changing screens.

When I am reading an article and want VO to stop for some reason, I can do 
the tap and it will stop, then I can start it again with the same double 
finger single tap. 


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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Richard Turner]

Sorry Holly, my mistake. But the two finger touch I think will only silence VO 
for a short time. As soon as the screen changes, it will be back to speaking. I 
hope I'm wrong.'

Richard

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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> OK, yeah, I know I've done that one, just forgot, been a while since I've 
> had interference. 
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> I said a two finger single tap, not a double tap.
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RE: Silencing VO during calls

[Carolyn]

OK, yeah, I know I've done that one, just forgot, been a while since I've had 
interference. 

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Richard:
 
I said a two finger single tap, not a double tap.

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RE: Silencing VO during calls

[Carolyn]

I guess that's right, because I think I've lost calls doing that before. 

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Richard Turner
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Holly, no, a two finger double tap starts or stops an action like answering the 
phone, playing audio ... a three finger double tap mutes or unmutes speech. 


Richard

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space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
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On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Holly  wrote:



 
I think a two finger single tap will silence VO, and the same gesture 
will toggle it on again.



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RE: Silencing VO during calls

[Carolyn]

I do two-finger, and if you turn on Do Not Disturb, you won't get any 
notifications of any calls yiu might want to take. I guess it could be a matter 
of priority. 

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I think a two finger single tap will silence VO, and the same gesture will 
toggle it on again.

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Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[sreebroy]

You may want to check on this. 
Verify if the settings under accessibility then spoken content then 
pronunciation. In there check to see if there’s any word that is a substitution 
for  The word paragraph 
for example, if I created in pronunciation a  word  Let’s say “hello”  and 
substitute that word to dodo , voiceover is going to read the word paragraph 
any time it sees the word “hello” Just a thought.

Best regards,
Sree B. roy

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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I have no idea then. the dictation feature clearly thinks it hears paragraph 
>  then. Perhaps a call to Apple Accessibility?
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> The word paragraph is in the text but he never spoke the word.  We don’t 
>> know where or why dictation is getting the word paragraph from when it is 
>> not said.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 9 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is the punctuation setting on the phone that is reporting paragraph 
>>> when there isn't the word?
>>> 
>>> If they are using line breaks, as in "new line" if punctuation is on all, 
>>> maybe it is determining that is a paragraph?
>>> That is a pure guess on my part.
>>> Otherwise, I'd say stop feeding the gremlins, grin.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>> flying.
>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>> --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: 
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>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?
>>> 
>>> Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I 
>>> sent with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I 
>>> don't have that problem.
>>> 
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
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 When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used 
 dictation often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the 
 message without his having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this and 
 if so have you managed to resolve it?
 
 I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.
 
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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Holly]

Richard:

I said a two finger single tap, not a double tap.

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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Richard Turner]

Holly, no, a two finger double tap starts or stops an action like answering the 
phone, playing audio ... a three finger double tap mutes or unmutes speech.


Richard

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On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Holly  wrote:


I think a two finger single tap will silence VO, and the same gesture will 
toggle it on again.

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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Holly]

I think a two finger single tap will silence VO, and the same gesture will 
toggle it on again.

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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[sreebroy]

How about turning on do not disturb for muting notification during a phone call?

Best regards,
Sree B. roy
7733 Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  I'm not sure about the screen dimming issue, but there are a couple ways to 
> keep VO quiet during a call.The easiest is to do a three finger double tap to 
> mute speech.You may want to turn off the always read notifications but that 
> would mean it won't automatically read them at other times.
> 
> Richard
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Marty Hutchings  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Many times lately when I answer a call, VO will then start reading my recent 
>> notifications.  Is there a way to get VO to stay quiet during a call?  Also, 
>> how do I get my screen from going dim during a call?  I am running IOS 14.2 
>> on an iPhone 8.  Thanks.
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Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Richard Turner]

I have no idea then. the dictation feature clearly thinks it hears paragraph  
then. Perhaps a call to Apple Accessibility?


Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
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"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> The word paragraph is in the text but he never spoke the word.  We don’t 
> know where or why dictation is getting the word paragraph from when it is not 
> said.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the punctuation setting on the phone that is reporting paragraph 
>> when there isn't the word?
>> 
>> If they are using line breaks, as in "new line" if punctuation is on all, 
>> maybe it is determining that is a paragraph?
>> That is a pure guess on my part.
>> Otherwise, I'd say stop feeding the gremlins, grin.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
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>> flying.
>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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>> 
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?
>> 
>> Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I 
>> sent with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I 
>> don't have that problem.
>> 
 On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used 
>>> dictation often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the message 
>>> without his having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this and if so 
>>> have you managed to resolve it?
>>> 
>>> I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Silencing VO during calls

[Richard Turner]

I'm not sure about the screen dimming issue, but there are a couple ways to 
keep VO quiet during a call.The easiest is to do a three finger double tap to 
mute speech.You may want to turn off the always read notifications but that 
would mean it won't automatically read them at other times.

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 9, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Marty Hutchings  wrote:


Many times lately when I answer a call, VO will then start reading my recent 
notifications.  Is there a way to get VO to stay quiet during a call?  Also, 
how do I get my screen from going dim during a call?  I am running IOS 14.2 on 
an iPhone 8.  Thanks.

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Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Malcolm Parfitt]

The word paragraph is in the text but he never spoke the word.  We don’t know 
where or why dictation is getting the word paragraph from when it is not said.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 9 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> What is the punctuation setting on the phone that is reporting paragraph 
> when there isn't the word?
> 
> If they are using line breaks, as in "new line" if punctuation is on all, 
> maybe it is determining that is a paragraph?
> That is a pure guess on my part.
> Otherwise, I'd say stop feeding the gremlins, grin.
> 
> 
> Richard
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
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> 
> *I’m not the card shark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joseph 
> Hudson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?
> 
> Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I sent 
> with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I don't 
> have that problem.
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used 
>> dictation often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the message 
>> without his having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this and if so 
>> have you managed to resolve it?
>> 
>> I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
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Silencing VO during calls

[Marty Hutchings]

Many times lately when I answer a call, VO will then start reading my 
recent notifications.  Is there a way to get VO to stay quiet during a 
call?  Also, how do I get my screen from going dim during a call?  I am 
running IOS 14.2 on an iPhone 8.  Thanks.

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Re: Picker List Item

[Esther]

I can't stop laughing. I love your statement! Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> I didn’t know confusion was a state in the USA,
>  
> Isn’t that a suburb of DC,
> Somewhere around 1600 pensilvainia ave?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 3:16 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Picker List Item
>  
> I did a double tap and tried flicking up and down but, I don't recall 
> hearing, adjustable.  There was definitely not  acombobox below that I could 
> find.
>  
> My wife was able to click on California to get it selected but, I don't 
> believe my state of confusion was in the list!  LOL  Thanks much.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 5:22 PM
> Subject: RE: Picker List Item
>  
> Depending on the page, if you double tap it, you may hear adjustable.
> If that works, flick up at that spot.
> If not, you may find it lower down on the page where there is a combo box of 
> sorts, where it may say, 1 of 53, or whatever.
> Touch there and start flicking up.
> If you are in a state early in the alphabet it ain’t too bad; now if you are 
> in Washington, have fun!
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:17 PM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Picker List Item
>  
> Howdy All,
>  
> Running iOS14.2 on an SE 2020 phone.  I was trying to fill out a medical form 
> today and ran into a couple of Picker List...
>  
> I don't recall the full name of the thing but it was, Picker List... and how 
> does one open this list?  I needed to open it to choose the state I live in, 
> not my usual state of confusion!  LOL
>  
> All help is appreciated.  Thanks much.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
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RE: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Richard Turner]

What is the punctuation setting on the phone that is reporting paragraph when 
there isn't the word?

If they are using line breaks, as in "new line" if punctuation is on all, maybe 
it is determining that is a paragraph?
That is a pure guess on my part.
Otherwise, I'd say stop feeding the gremlins, grin.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joseph 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I sent 
with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I don't 
have that problem.

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
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> When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used 
> dictation often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the message 
> without his having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this and if so have 
> you managed to resolve it?
> 
> I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Malcolm, no I have not experienced this. However, most of my emails I sent 
with my Mac. I do do a lot of texting with my iPhone now. But still I don't 
have that problem.

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used 
> dictation often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the message 
> without his having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this and if so have 
> you managed to resolve it?
> 
> I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: Iphone mini

[Simon A Fogarty]

I have to agree,
And comments I’ve heard on the mini is that it has a crap battery life,

I can’t confirm that but have heard it more than once.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 7:42 pm
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Subject: RE: Iphone mini

The iPhone 12 Mini has Face Id as all iPhones have since the iphone X, XR, 11, 
11Pro/Pro Max and all the 12/12 Pro phones.
Having said this, it really depends on what phone you have now, I really thing 
anybody who has an iPhone XR and later is wasting their money upgrading, the 
12-series phones will be remembered similarly to the iPhone 5C, 7 and iPhone X, 
definitely updates, but not updates worthwhile unless you pay big bucks to be 
on one of these programs where you can get the latest each year.
Yes, the 12 Mini is relatively small and it packs the latest chip, 5G and so 
on, but considering that most likely next year's phones will have betrter 5G 
modems, possible feature both Touch Id and Face Id and so on makes me want to 
wait for sure.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Paul 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone mini

Hi all. I’m interested to hear from anyone who has purchased an Iphone mini. I 
love the idea of a smaller phone. I’m interested to know about battery life and 
generally want to learn more about the pros and cons. Someone mentioned that 
you can’t lock or unlock the mini if you don’t have a passcode or face ID. Is 
that true? In general, just putting out feelers. Not quite ready to take the 
plunge but giving it serious consideration. Thanks in advance.
God bless!
Paula and the pups
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RE: Which echo Dot is the best

[Richard Turner]

I just received an ad from Amazon for the following.
I have no opinion since I do not own one.



Echo Dot (3rd Gen) - Smart speaker with Alexa - Charcoal $24.99
 
Echo Studio - High-fidelity smart speaker with 3D audio and Alexa $199.99
 
 All-new Echo Dot (4th Gen) + Amazon Smart Plug | Charcoal $39.99
 
Echo Show 5 Charcoal with Amazon Smart Plug 59.99

Echo Glow - Multicolor smart lamp for kids, a Certified for Humans... 
$29.99
 
 







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-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:57 AM
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Subject: Which echo Dot is the best

Hi was just looking at Amazon echo dot on Amazon and wondering which speaker is 
the best one which ones do people have and what do you like about them.
Thanks.
Jen

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Re: Which echo Dot is the best

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Jen, I would love to have this conversation with you. But you've posted to a 
non-Echo related list not unless they allow these conversations over here. I 
think it would be great if you wanted to reach out off list.

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Jen .  wrote:
> 
> Hi was just looking at Amazon echo dot on Amazon and wondering which speaker 
> is the best one which ones do people have and what do you like about them.
> Thanks.
> Jen
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Re: Which echo Dot is the best

[Dave Clement]

Hello, 

I think that "best" depends on what you want from an Echo Dot. Music quality? 
Speech quality? Price? Size? 

There are 4 Echo Dots now I believe, the 1st gen, 2nd gen, and 3rd gen Dots and 
the newest one just released this fall. They all can do the same functions but 
with different levels of sound quality. The newest one, shaped like a baseball 
instead of a hockey puck and selling for near $100, produces the best quality 
sound. The 3rd gen is next best. However, if you are wanting a high end sound 
system sound, the Dot Echos are not the way to go. Some of the other Echo 
speakers are better for that. I find my Dot 3rd gen gives good enough quality 
for my listening preferences. 

Of the 4 models, Amazon is likely only selling the 3rd gen and the new one. 
They often go on sale or are included with other purchase bundles from Amazon. 

As for my uses, there are many. Here are a few:
- asking the date, time, weather, or news
- asking for spelling and definitions of words
- setting timers and alarms
- setting reminders for events
- playing music on request
- asking for facts and details on almost anything
- asking "how to do" type questions
- playing games like "20 questions" and many more
- running some of the over 100,000 skills that are available

These are just a sample of the things you can do with Alexa and the Echo line 
of speakers. I like the Dot because they are small and can fit almost anywhere. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Jen .  wrote:

Hi was just looking at Amazon echo dot on Amazon and wondering which speaker 
is the best one which ones do people have and what do you like about them.
Thanks.
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Using dictation with iMessages and e-mail?

[Malcolm Parfitt]

When I receive e-mails or iMessages from my friend where he has used dictation 
often the word paragraph is inserted into the body of the message without his 
having said the word.  Has anyone experienced this and if so have you managed 
to resolve it?

I’m talking about dictation and not items sent with Siri.

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Which echo Dot is the best

[Jen .]

Hi was just looking at Amazon echo dot on Amazon and wondering which speaker is 
the best one which ones do people have and what do you like about them.
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RE: Picker List Item

[Carolyn]

I was on one a while back, and somehow, the arrangement didn't seem quite 
alphabetical, but eventually, I did find NC. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Picker List Item

I didn’t know confusion was a state in the USA,

 

Isn’t that a suburb of DC,

Somewhere around 1600 pensilvainia ave?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 3:16 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Picker List Item

 

I did a double tap and tried flicking up and down but, I don't recall hearing, 
adjustable.  There was definitely not  acombobox below that I could find.

 

My wife was able to click on California to get it selected but, I don't believe 
my state of confusion was in the list!  LOL  Thanks much.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 5:22 PM

Subject: RE: Picker List Item

 

Depending on the page, if you double tap it, you may hear adjustable.

If that works, flick up at that spot.

If not, you may find it lower down on the page where there is a combo box of 
sorts, where it may say, 1 of 53, or whatever.

Touch there and start flicking up.

If you are in a state early in the alphabet it ain’t too bad; now if you are in 
Washington, have fun!

 

 

 

Richard

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Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com 

 

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:17 PM
To: viPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Picker List Item

 

Howdy All,

 

Running iOS14.2 on an SE 2020 phone.  I was trying to fill out a medical form 
today and ran into a couple of Picker List...

 

I don't recall the full name of the thing but it was, Picker List... and how 
does one open this list?  I needed to open it to choose the state I live in, 
not my usual state of confusion!  LOL

 

All help is appreciated.  Thanks much.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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Re: Supersense, initial impressions

[Shane Lowe]

I'm very happy to hear that, Chris. Please let me know if there is
anything else I can do to improve the Supersense experience for you.
I'm making notes of everyone's suggestions, and hope to have a new
setting and implementation of column handling in the next month or
two.
The reason for the delay is that we are working on a simultaneous
project which I will reach out to the list about next week. ;)

On 12/8/20, Cris Ali  wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> Apparently it can detect handwriting automatically. You will not find a
> setting or an option designated as handwriting.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
>  That is fantastic that it can handle Arabic! something I will never need,
> grin.I will test the handwriting in English, I did not realize that is a
> feature.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
>  Hi Richard,
> Thanks for sharing your impressions of SuperSense with us. I got my promo
> code from Shane and did similar tests on Arabic text. I am happy with the
> results. Performing OCR on Arabic text is challenging.superSense passed the
> test. As expected, there were some recognition mistakes, but the text was
> easy to understand. What impressed me the most was the quality of the
> english handwriting recognition. I did not test the app on Arabic
> handwriting but may do that once I meet a friend who knows how to write
> Arabic. It is definitely superior to that of Seeing AI and Envision. I will
> do more testing in the next few days, but I am happy with what I found so
> far.
> I also agree with your suggestion. The future update should put the instant
> read in the off position, or give the users the choice in the settings.
> Cheers
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
>  I wrote him directly, rather than to the list.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
>
>  You got lucky Man. I received no promo codes. I am interested in apps that
> recognize Arabic text, and that was the reason for starting the discussion.
> I was able to try the instant read on an Arabic text and the result was
> disappointing. I tried to import a photo with Arabic text on it, the ocr
> quality was okay, but not any better than what i got when I imported the
> same photo to voice ocr which I got for free before the app became
> subscription only. I am interested in the document scan, if I get a promo
> code for that. I am also testing envision to see how it scores in
> comparison.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:30 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I’ve spent the last hour or so running SuperSense through its various modes,
> thanks to Shane’s promo code.
>
> in the document mode, Pros: I like the way it prompts you with specific
> messages, like move farther from the document; move an inch to the left,
> etc.
> I like the music while processing, very nice.
> The accuracy is very good.
>
> Cons: like most OCR apps, it cannot handle columns.  If it did, I would
> possibly buy it.
>
> Bar codes, Pros: Very fast.
> Cons: it did not recognize a hardback book ISBN while Seeing AI’s product
> channel did.  Otherwise, I think pretty even.
>
> Currency, Pros: very fast.
> Cons: I was scanning a $10 bill and when I moved the camera sideways, a
> couple times after saying $10, it said $50.
> That would be too confusing to someone who did not know or have another
> money identification app to double check with.
> Explore Mode, Pros: pretty quick and generally accurate.  I could see this
> helping someone in a hotel room find things like light switches,
> thermostats, etc.
> Cons: none at this time.
>
> Smart Scan, Pros: very fast and pretty accurate.
> Cons: it does not seem any better than Seeing AI’s Short Text mode.
>
> Quick Read, Pros: seems very fast.  Also quite accurate.
>
> No cons at this time.
>
> Overall:  I most certainly would never pay $100 for this app.
> I’m doubtful I would even spend $50.
>
> If I did not have other apps to get my scanning needs met, I would seriously
> consider spending the $50, but I’m not in need of it right now with the
> other apps I have.
>
> I wish it would start each mode in the stopped position rather than
> immediately begin trying to scan.
>
> I will keep exploring uses for it and write if I have updates worth while to
> add.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
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Editing in Recorder HQ

[Karen Poulakos]

Has anyone edited their recordings with this ap?  All I want to do is trim a
couple of seconds off the beginning and the end of the recording.

If someone could give me some step by step instructions as to how to do
this, I would really appreciate it.

I tried setting the start position to zero, and want to set the end position
at 3 seconds, to get rid of that part.  However I couldn't figure out how to
set the end position.

Question:  Do I want to set the start position for what I want to keep,  or
for what I want to delete?

If anyone knows of an extremely simple editing app that works on a pc rather
than the phone, that might be even easier.

Thanks.

Karen P

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Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello,
You don’t have to do anything. The keyboard will be in English if your iDevice 
is in English. It’s only the printing on the keyboard that’s different.
Cheers,
Anne



> On 9 Dec 2020, at 09:28, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> I would be getting mine on Friday, how can I switch it to English?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Anne Robertson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 12:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?
>  
> Hello Simon,
> The British keyboard has 79 keys, but the American one has 78. Also, the 
> Return key is a different shape on the two keyboards. The French keyboard is 
> like the British one, but the keys are labelled differently. The British one 
> is qwerty, and the French one is azerty. The labelling of the keys is 
> transparent to the device it is used with. The layout is set on the iDevice 
> or computer.
> I have a shortcut to switch rapidly between French and English on my Mac, 
> which has keys printed with the French layout.
> Cheers,
> Anne
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2020, at 01:37, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> I was under the impression that the number of keys was the same but the 
>> actual key function with the French keyboard is different
>> But if you have the English keyboard as your default on your mac then I was 
>> under the belief that it worked correctly.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>> Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 2:23 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?
>>  
>> Hello,
>> The layout is like the British English keyboard. I don’t know how it behaves 
>> if set to an American layout. I switch between the British and French 
>> layouts on my Mac all the time.
>> Cheers,
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Dec 2020, at 13:50, Fazil >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Is the layout the same?
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>>> Anne Robertson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 1:37 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?
>>>  
>>> Hello,
>>> Yes, the French keyboard will work for English. The only difference is 
>>> what’s printed on the keys. Your iDevice will not know the difference.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Anne
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8 Dec 2020, at 00:01, Fazil >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi, list.
 I saw a French Apple Magic Keyboard on Craig List.
 Would I be able to use it for English typing exclusively if I purchase 
 this French Keyboard? Would the voiceOver keys be second and third from 
 the left edge in second row?
 Thanks!
  
  
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RE: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?

[Fazil]

I would be getting mine on Friday, how can I switch it to English?

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anne 
Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?

 

Hello Simon,

The British keyboard has 79 keys, but the American one has 78. Also, the Return 
key is a different shape on the two keyboards. The French keyboard is like the 
British one, but the keys are labelled differently. The British one is qwerty, 
and the French one is azerty. The labelling of the keys is transparent to the 
device it is used with. The layout is set on the iDevice or computer.

I have a shortcut to switch rapidly between French and English on my Mac, which 
has keys printed with the French layout.

Cheers,

Anne

 

 





On 9 Dec 2020, at 01:37, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

I was under the impression that the number of keys was the same but the actual 
key function with the French keyboard is different

But if you have the English keyboard as your default on your mac then I was 
under the belief that it worked correctly.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Anne 
Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 2:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?

 

Hello,

The layout is like the British English keyboard. I don’t know how it behaves if 
set to an American layout. I switch between the British and French layouts on 
my Mac all the time.

Cheers,

Anne

 

 






On 8 Dec 2020, at 13:50, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Is the layout the same?

Thanks!

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com < 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Anne 
Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 1:37 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?

 

Hello,

Yes, the French keyboard will work for English. The only difference is what’s 
printed on the keys. Your iDevice will not know the difference.

Cheers,

Anne

 

 

 







On 8 Dec 2020, at 00:01, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, list.

I saw a French Apple Magic Keyboard on Craig List.

Would I be able to use it for English typing exclusively if I purchase this 
French Keyboard? Would the voiceOver keys be second and third from the left 
edge in second row?

Thanks!

 

 

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Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Simon,
The British keyboard has 79 keys, but the American one has 78. Also, the Return 
key is a different shape on the two keyboards. The French keyboard is like the 
British one, but the keys are labelled differently. The British one is qwerty, 
and the French one is azerty. The labelling of the keys is transparent to the 
device it is used with. The layout is set on the iDevice or computer.
I have a shortcut to switch rapidly between French and English on my Mac, which 
has keys printed with the French layout.
Cheers,
Anne



> On 9 Dec 2020, at 01:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I was under the impression that the number of keys was the same but the 
> actual key function with the French keyboard is different
> But if you have the English keyboard as your default on your mac then I was 
> under the belief that it worked correctly.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Anne Robertson
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 2:23 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?
>  
> Hello,
> The layout is like the British English keyboard. I don’t know how it behaves 
> if set to an American layout. I switch between the British and French layouts 
> on my Mac all the time.
> Cheers,
> Anne
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 8 Dec 2020, at 13:50, Fazil  > wrote:
>  
> Is the layout the same?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Anne Robertson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 1:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Using French Apple Magic Keyboard for English?
>  
> Hello,
> Yes, the French keyboard will work for English. The only difference is what’s 
> printed on the keys. Your iDevice will not know the difference.
> Cheers,
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 Dec 2020, at 00:01, Fazil  > wrote:
>  
> Hi, list.
> I saw a French Apple Magic Keyboard on Craig List.
> Would I be able to use it for English typing exclusively if I purchase this 
> French Keyboard? Would the voiceOver keys be second and third from the left 
> edge in second row?
> Thanks!
>  
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