RE: Sharing my Vaccine Card Via WhatsApp?

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Sieghard.

Actually, I am supposed to upload it to a website of Saudi government who wants 
its visitors to be fully vaxinated. Thus, I thought I should WhatsApp it to my 
friend who would help me fill out this paperwork.

Lets suppose if he is using my phone to complete this paperwork, can he upload 
it to that website out off my phone?

Thanks!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sharing my Vaccine Card Via WhatsApp?

 

Hi Fazil,

 

Why on earth would you want to share your vaccine passport with anybody? That 
is completely private and confidential information and while you have to show 
it when required, you definitely wouldn't want to share it with anybody via 
WhatsApp.

The only reason I can think of why somebody would want to share it is because 
they are trying to allow other people who don't want to get vaccinated to 
illegally use their vaccine passport.

Sorry to put it so bluntly, but you don't share your passport, either, do you?

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: November 16, 2021 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Sharing my Vaccine Card Via WhatsApp?

 

Hi, Group.

I have my Vaccine card in my Wallet. Can I share it via WhatsApp? If yes, how 
can it be done, please?

Thanks!

 

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RE: Face ID performance was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Or you have to own and wear an Apple Watch which is protected by a passcode and 
which is unlocked. If you allow the Apple Watch to unlock your phone then as 
long as it is on your wrist you can unlock your phone while wearing a mask, but 
you can't authenticate purchases. Of course if you have an Apple Watch you 
could use it to authenticate an Apple Pay purchase instead which does not 
required any further verification as long as you unlocked your watch after you 
put it  on and you haven't taken it off since then.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: November 16, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face ID performance was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

James,

Yes, Face ID works perfectly well with small changes in your appearance and in 
dimly lit rooms. The only thing that thwarts it is wearing a mask as in these 
pandemic times. You have to type in your passcode when wearing a mask.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

So, it doesn't matter when you make small changes like wearing a cap or how 
your hair is fixed?  And, face I D works in a dimly lit room?

Just curious,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

You just hold the phone out from you at the level of your face, maybe 15 
inches. The thing works, dark or light, with or without dark glasses. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn 

RE: IOS 15

[Sieghard Weitzel]

But it would appear this is an issue fairly unique to you or a very small group 
of people because I have not seen this mentioned on Applevis and neither have I 
noticed any issues with any of my 2 mail accounts I have set up. I also don't  
recall seeing messages on this list about it.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: November 16, 2021 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 15

It doesn't seem to matter whether there are other apps running or if mail is 
the only app in the app switcher. Apparently the mail retrieval problem is an 
actual thing because there are various solutions proposed all around the net so 
I know I'm not the only one who is having this issue. But shutting down my 
phone every time (or nearly every time) I want to read my mail is really 
annoying. There are times when, no matter what I do, my mail simply will not 
download.

I have reported this to Apple and hopefully they can reproduce it and address 
it in a future update. But it is sufficiently annoying that I wish I had not 
updated.



On 11/16/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Do you have lots of apps running in the app switcher when you have 
> trouble getting mail?
>
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>
> Richard
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 6:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 15
>
> Your mileage may vary, but ever since updating to iOS15 my SE 2020 has 
> had problems retrieving email. The problem is hit and miss in that 
> sometimes everything works just fine. But at least every two or three 
> days I need to fiddle with the phone to get email to download. By 
> fiddle I mean either removing mail from the app switcher or completely 
> shutting down the phone.
> It's not what I would call show-stopping -- not for me anyway -- but 
> it is inconvenient and annoying.
>
> I know that not everyone has this issue and, like I said, it isn't 
> reproducable with any consistency. But just something to think about.
>
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> On 11/16/21, Stewart McKay  wrote:
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>>
>>
>> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can 
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>> I will be upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks
>>
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RE: Sharing my Vaccine Card Via WhatsApp?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Fazil,

Why on earth would you want to share your vaccine passport with anybody? That 
is completely private and confidential information and while you have to show 
it when required, you definitely wouldn't want to share it with anybody via 
WhatsApp.
The only reason I can think of why somebody would want to share it is because 
they are trying to allow other people who don't want to get vaccinated to 
illegally use their vaccine passport.
Sorry to put it so bluntly, but you don't share your passport, either, do you?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: November 16, 2021 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sharing my Vaccine Card Via WhatsApp?

Hi, Group.
I have my Vaccine card in my Wallet. Can I share it via WhatsApp? If yes, how 
can it be done, please?
Thanks!

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Isn't changing the subject line like I am doing now the same as Hijacking the thread?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Christopher, you say the problem is that people hijack a thread without 
changing the subject line and here I was under the impression that changing a 
subject line is the same as hijacking.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: November 16, 2021 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

Yes, Richard is correct, but the problem isn't that people are chatting or 
talking about issues that are off topic. The problem is that people are 
hijacking a thread without changing the subject line or starting a new thread.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

Richard is completely right in his opinions.

If you want to chatte rand tel blablabla start a whatsapp group or simply a 
chatlist.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 22:31
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
is Acting Crazy Again!

I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and on 
about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a message and 
write things completely unrelated to the original subject; rather than starting 
a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever the way you start a new 
message so it begins a new thread on the subject you actually want to talk 
about.

But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to say 
to be enough for some.





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!





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Re: IOS 15

[Bill Gallik]

I contacted Apple support earlier today; the support tech suggested all sorts 
of possibilities, all options I had already tried to no avail.  She even ran a 
diagnostic on my iPhone 8 to make sure the sensors were still functioning 
properly.  They were.

At this point I’m going to deploy one of my Bluetooth earphones until I can 
purchase a new iPhone or until the next iOS release resolves this problem.

As I say, this issue manifested after installing iOS15.1 so hopefully the next 
software update will correct the problem.  Although, it doesn’t really matter 
because I’ve been seriously considering acquiring a new iPhone 12 anyway.


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Sharing my Vaccine Card Via WhatsApp?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

I have my Vaccine card in my Wallet. Can I share it via WhatsApp? If yes,
how can it be done, please?

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Re: IOS 15

[Kimberly]

Probably not because my issues are not exchange related. But it was a good 
thought.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 8:36 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimberly,
> 
> There was an issue with microsofts exchange 365 services mainly calendar 
> today with IOS mail app,
> 
> Any chance this is related to your phone?
> 
> I have not been noticing mail related issues on my phone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly Gardner
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 2:33 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 15
> 
> It doesn't seem to matter whether there are other apps running or if mail is 
> the only app in the app switcher. Apparently the mail retrieval problem is an 
> actual thing because there are various solutions proposed all around the net 
> so I know I'm not the only one who is having this issue. But shutting down my 
> phone every time (or nearly every time) I want to read my mail is really 
> annoying. There are times when, no matter what I do, my mail simply will not 
> download.
> 
> I have reported this to Apple and hopefully they can reproduce it and address 
> it in a future update. But it is sufficiently annoying that I wish I had not 
> updated.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/16/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Do you have lots of apps running in the app switcher when you have 
>> trouble getting mail?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only 
>> different kinds of good weather." ~ John Ruskin
>> 
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Kimberly Gardner
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 6:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS 15
>> 
>> Your mileage may vary, but ever since updating to iOS15 my SE 2020 has 
>> had problems retrieving email. The problem is hit and miss in that 
>> sometimes everything works just fine. But at least every two or three 
>> days I need to fiddle with the phone to get email to download. By 
>> fiddle I mean either removing mail from the app switcher or completely 
>> shutting down the phone.
>> It's not what I would call show-stopping -- not for me anyway -- but 
>> it is inconvenient and annoying.
>> 
>> I know that not everyone has this issue and, like I said, it isn't 
>> reproducable with any consistency. But just something to think about.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/16/21, Stewart McKay  wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can 
>>> anyone tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  
>>> I will be upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> stew
>>> 
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RE: IOS 15

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Kimberly,

There was an issue with microsofts exchange 365 services mainly calendar today 
with IOS mail app,

Any chance this is related to your phone?

I have not been noticing mail related issues on my phone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 2:33 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 15

It doesn't seem to matter whether there are other apps running or if mail is 
the only app in the app switcher. Apparently the mail retrieval problem is an 
actual thing because there are various solutions proposed all around the net so 
I know I'm not the only one who is having this issue. But shutting down my 
phone every time (or nearly every time) I want to read my mail is really 
annoying. There are times when, no matter what I do, my mail simply will not 
download.

I have reported this to Apple and hopefully they can reproduce it and address 
it in a future update. But it is sufficiently annoying that I wish I had not 
updated.



On 11/16/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Do you have lots of apps running in the app switcher when you have 
> trouble getting mail?
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only 
> different kinds of good weather." ~ John Ruskin
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly Gardner
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 6:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 15
>
> Your mileage may vary, but ever since updating to iOS15 my SE 2020 has 
> had problems retrieving email. The problem is hit and miss in that 
> sometimes everything works just fine. But at least every two or three 
> days I need to fiddle with the phone to get email to download. By 
> fiddle I mean either removing mail from the app switcher or completely 
> shutting down the phone.
> It's not what I would call show-stopping -- not for me anyway -- but 
> it is inconvenient and annoying.
>
> I know that not everyone has this issue and, like I said, it isn't 
> reproducable with any consistency. But just something to think about.
>
>
> On 11/16/21, Stewart McKay  wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>>
>> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can 
>> anyone tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  
>> I will be upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks
>>
>>
>> stew
>>
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Re: IOS 15

[Kimberly Gardner]

It doesn't seem to matter whether there are other apps running or if
mail is the only app in the app switcher. Apparently the mail
retrieval problem is an actual thing because there are various
solutions proposed all around the net so I know I'm not the only one
who is having this issue. But shutting down my phone every time (or
nearly every time) I want to read my mail is really annoying. There
are times when, no matter what I do, my mail simply will not download.

I have reported this to Apple and hopefully they can reproduce it and
address it in a future update. But it is sufficiently annoying that I
wish I had not updated.



On 11/16/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Do you have lots of apps running in the app switcher when you have trouble
> getting mail?
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is
> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different
> kinds of good weather." ~ John Ruskin
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Kimberly Gardner
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 6:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 15
>
> Your mileage may vary, but ever since updating to iOS15 my SE 2020 has had
> problems retrieving email. The problem is hit and miss in that sometimes
> everything works just fine. But at least every two or three days I need to
> fiddle with the phone to get email to download. By fiddle I mean either
> removing mail from the app switcher or completely shutting down the phone.
> It's not what I would call show-stopping -- not for me anyway -- but it is
> inconvenient and annoying.
>
> I know that not everyone has this issue and, like I said, it isn't
> reproducable with any consistency. But just something to think about.
>
>
> On 11/16/21, Stewart McKay  wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>>
>> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can
>> anyone tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  I
>> will be upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks
>>
>>
>> stew
>>
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Face ID performance was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Alan Lemly]

James,

Yes, Face ID works perfectly well with small changes in your appearance and in 
dimly lit rooms. The only thing that thwarts it is wearing a mask as in these 
pandemic times. You have to type in your passcode when wearing a mask.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

So, it doesn't matter when you make small changes like wearing a cap or how 
your hair is fixed?  And, face I D works in a dimly lit room?

Just curious,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

You just hold the phone out from you at the level of your face, maybe 15 
inches. The thing works, dark or light, with or without dark glasses. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

> 

> 

> 

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

> 

> Esther

> 

> 

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> 

> 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:

> 

RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[scribbles.mn]

However, no matter how often people are asked not to do this, they either 
rudely ignore the request or don’t bother to read the message!
Marie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

Yes, I understand and agree with you Richard. I was just lumping in two similar 
issues. I don't recall the history of the thread well enough to know if it was 
a gradual or subtle shift in topics or if it was more abrupt.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 3:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

That should have been Christopher, sorry about that.


Richard

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Charles, changing the subject line doesn't change  the Change the thread.
> So, if I begin deleting all the messages with the subject line; Siri is 
> acting crazy again; and someone had started a new conversation just by 
> changing the subject line, that message will be deleted along with the rest 
> because with message threading on; it will be grouped with the original 
> message.
> The only way to have a new topic is to start a new email.
> That is why on groups.io lists, there is a link at the bottom of every 
> message to start a new topic.
> Sadly, googlegroups doesn't offer that.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Richard is correct, but the problem isn't that people are chatting or 
>> talking about issues that are off topic. The problem is that people are 
>> hijacking a thread without changing the subject line or starting a new 
>> thread.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
>> is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> Richard is completely right in his opinions.
>> 
>> If you want to chatte rand tel blablabla start a whatsapp group or simply a 
>> chatlist.
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard 
>> Turner
>> Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 22:31
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Onderwerp: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: 
>> Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and 
>> on about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a 
>> message and write things completely unrelated to the original subject; 
>> rather than starting a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever 
>> the way you start a new message so it begins a new thread on the subject you 
>> actually want to talk about.
>> 
>> But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to 
>> say to be enough for some.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> 

Re: Phone Messages Help Please.

[Esther Levegnale]

Hey, Joshua!

Good to hear from you.  Sometimes Siri is temperamental.  It works at times, 
then it doesn't.  I'm wondering if he's getting dementia!  Haha!  I'm in the 
market for a new phone, but I like the size of my 7+.  I'l go to the Apple 
store and see what they can offer.  I think I'd like the 1-TB size because I 
download a lot of music and a lot of BARD books.  I love BARD?, and I certainly 
know that you do too--considering the amount you have on your phone!  Haha!

Anyway, take care and I'll keep you and everyone about phones and Siri!  

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Esther, I've had some problems with Siri, but not as bad as you say
> what is happening to you.  I think sometimes Siri can get messed up in
> apples servers sometimes.  I don't use it as heavily as some people
> do.  I usually use it to just make phone calls.  I do know it can do
> some more things.  I wish Siri were as good as the google assistant,
> or Alexa.
> 
>> On 11/15/21, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> When I used to check my voice mail via the voice mail option on my
>> iPhone, I couldn't hear the message if I took my ear away from my
>> iPhone either.  That's why I used to call myself and get my voice
>> mails that way since I could use the speaker phone option of my
>> iPhone.  Yes, the You Mail app, is available in the United States.
>> There is a paid version, but I've never felt I needed it.  The free
>> version works just fine for me.
>> 
>>> On 11/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> I don’t’ find any old iOS updates on my phone or in iCloud.
>>> Once you install them, they are no longer sitting there.
>>> 
>>> What makes you think the iOS updates is what is taking up your memory?
>>> 
>>> You can check by opening Settings, General, iPhone Storage.
>>> All the apps will be listed there in descending order of size, largest
>>> apps
>>> first.
>>> 
>>> If you have an iOS update waiting to be installed, it will be there as
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> How much memory is shown as available?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is
>>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only
>>> different
>>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>>> 
>>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> janet
>>> gross
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:29 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> Richard,
>>> Don’t all the updates we download store in the iCloud? If Anna gave
>>> instructions to delete the old updates, wouldn’t that mean they are
>>> storing
>>> some where? This is something to find out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> Sent from
>>> Mail
>>> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:25 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Phone Messages Help Please.
>>> 
>>> When you say it is iOS updates that are taking so much room; what do you
>>> mean?
>>> Do you have old updates still on your phone?
>>> I thought Anna Dresner once gave steps to delete old iOS updates; but I'm
>>> not finding that info right now.
>>> I am also not finding where they would be sitting taking up space.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>>> it."
>>> -- Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> website:  www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, janet gross
>>> mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> Well, this really stinks!  Smile!  One of my main issues are I have to
>>> let
>>> other people hear some of the messages I get.  As far as getting rid of
>>> some
>>> of my apps, I don’t really have a whole lot, as most of the space is
>>> taken
>>> up from the large iOS updates.  Thank you anyway, as I greatly appreciate
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> Sent from
>>> Mail
>>> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 

RE: AirPods question

[Simon A Fogarty]

I could be wrong,

But I don't think you can,

I thought by default the pods had the phone as default device,

But with the airpods everything is synched to each device via the apple id used 
on the phone,

 
But I think if you paired the airpods to your mac computer 
They are still going to use the same apple id to pair with your phone 
And as phones pick up phone calls,
However in saying that,

Airpods are meant to switch automatically to the device you are using so if you 
have the pods in and start using your mac computer then you should hear your 
mac,

 But good luck with that as I haven't had it working for me with IOS 15 
But under that theory if you answered your call on the mac 
Then your pods should be what you hear it through.

Good luck with your search

-Original Message-
From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 1:13 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: AirPods question

I realize that syncing across devices with AirPods can be a beautiful thing, 
but is there any way to make sure this doesn’t happen. If I want to use the 
pods, for example on my Mac mini, I will get a message, or a phone call, or an 
alarm will go off on my iPhone, and the connection automatically goes to the 
iPhone. I have looked in settings on both phone and computer and I hope I’m 
missing something, because I would really like to prevent this from happening.

Thanks

Kristeen

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RE: new iPhone

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok, thanks allan,

Guess it’s not available down under.

Cheers.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 4:19 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Hi Simon,

BARD is the download service of the National Library Service available to print 
impaired citizens of the USA.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Simon 
A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:12:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: new iPhone

So with this book service,
Do you have to purchase the books or is it a book like service where you can 
lone the books for a specific time?

 I'm not sure this is a service we can get in NZ

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Charles Spicer
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 3:40 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.
> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan 
> mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the
>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be
>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Interesting article,
>>
>>
>>
>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear
>> in a future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to
>> the flag ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the
>> SE
>>
>>
>>
>> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>>
>>
>>
>> But they are not made to be the top 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I as said have only struck issues with sun glair for face id,

I set my 13 pm up in the middle of the night and always wear sunglasses,

And have no issues with it 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 6:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Face Id works in absolute pitch darkness and yes, small things like wearing 
glasses, having a 3-day beard or even more, all of that doesn't matter. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: November 16, 2021 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

So, it doesn't matter when you make small changes like wearing a cap or how 
your hair is fixed?  And, face I D works in a dimly lit room?

Just curious,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

You just hold the phone out from you at the level of your face, maybe 15 
inches. The thing works, dark or light, with or without dark glasses. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I understand and agree with you Richard. I was just lumping in two similar 
issues. I don't recall the history of the thread well enough to know if it was 
a gradual or subtle shift in topics or if it was more abrupt.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 3:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

That should have been Christopher, sorry about that.


Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
website:  
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(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Charles, changing the subject line doesn't change  the Change the thread.
> So, if I begin deleting all the messages with the subject line; Siri is 
> acting crazy again; and someone had started a new conversation just by 
> changing the subject line, that message will be deleted along with the rest 
> because with message threading on; it will be grouped with the original 
> message.
> The only way to have a new topic is to start a new email.
> That is why on groups.io lists, there is a link at the bottom of every 
> message to start a new topic.
> Sadly, googlegroups doesn't offer that.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> website:  
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C97a1592325554c6b34ed08d9a94489b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637726934113859764%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=sCXVr2HpDEcoRUhcyrbXbUXcYaZNoGIG%2B2aFdkFCCos%3Dreserved=0
> 
> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Richard is correct, but the problem isn't that people are chatting or 
>> talking about issues that are off topic. The problem is that people are 
>> hijacking a thread without changing the subject line or starting a new 
>> thread.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
>> is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> Richard is completely right in his opinions.
>> 
>> If you want to chatte rand tel blablabla start a whatsapp group or simply a 
>> chatlist.
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard 
>> Turner
>> Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 22:31
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Onderwerp: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: 
>> Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and 
>> on about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a 
>> message and write things completely unrelated to the original subject; 
>> rather than starting a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever 
>> the way you start a new message so it begins a new thread on the subject you 
>> actually want to talk about.
>> 
>> But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to 
>> say to be enough for some.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C97a1592325554c6b34ed08d9a94489b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637726934113859764%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=PM0IxhrL5m6xlBuXXBoIY4zQshaoRGamTF5RVRfKIB8%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
>> A Fogarty
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
>> is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,
>> 

Re: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Richard Turner]

That should have been Christopher, sorry about that.


Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Charles, changing the subject line doesn't change  the Change the thread.
> So, if I begin deleting all the messages with the subject line; Siri is 
> acting crazy again; and someone had started a new conversation just by 
> changing the subject line, that message will be deleted along with the rest 
> because with message threading on; it will be grouped with the original 
> message.
> The only way to have a new topic is to start a new email.
> That is why on groups.io lists, there is a link at the bottom of every 
> message to start a new topic.
> Sadly, googlegroups doesn't offer that.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> website:  
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C97b6766327574952b1b808d9a9445fae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637726933417355219%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=tLLUF8T%2Fs4yh%2FpuDDWXi3ywcYJOWA4HB7%2FtDU0J36PM%3Dreserved=0
> 
> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Richard is correct, but the problem isn't that people are chatting or 
>> talking about issues that are off topic. The problem is that people are 
>> hijacking a thread without changing the subject line or starting a new 
>> thread.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
>> is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> Richard is completely right in his opinions.
>> 
>> If you want to chatte rand tel blablabla start a whatsapp group or simply a 
>> chatlist.
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard 
>> Turner
>> Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 22:31
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Onderwerp: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: 
>> Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and 
>> on about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a 
>> message and write things completely unrelated to the original subject; 
>> rather than starting a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever 
>> the way you start a new message so it begins a new thread on the subject you 
>> actually want to talk about.
>> 
>> But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to 
>> say to be enough for some.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C97b6766327574952b1b808d9a9445fae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637726933417355219%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=D0D1TrG3jYS8vBYEMX3WPgUXbXesBGLAbYgsn%2BbCCCU%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
>> A Fogarty
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
>> is Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:26 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
>> Acting Crazy Again!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
>> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
>> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
>> 
>> My Web site: 
>> 

Re: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Richard Turner]

Charles, changing the subject line doesn't change  the Change the thread.
So, if I begin deleting all the messages with the subject line; Siri is acting 
crazy again; and someone had started a new conversation just by changing the 
subject line, that message will be deleted along with the rest because with 
message threading on; it will be grouped with the original message.
The only way to have a new topic is to start a new email.
That is why on groups.io lists, there is a link at the bottom of every message 
to start a new topic.
Sadly, googlegroups doesn't offer that.



Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Richard is correct, but the problem isn't that people are chatting or 
> talking about issues that are off topic. The problem is that people are 
> hijacking a thread without changing the subject line or starting a new thread.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
> is Acting Crazy Again!
> 
> Richard is completely right in his opinions.
> 
> If you want to chatte rand tel blablabla start a whatsapp group or simply a 
> chatlist.
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
> Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 22:31
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: 
> Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
> 
> I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and 
> on about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a 
> message and write things completely unrelated to the original subject; rather 
> than starting a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever the way 
> you start a new message so it begins a new thread on the subject you actually 
> want to talk about.
> 
> But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to 
> say to be enough for some.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
> 
> My Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0a270a4d13fb49eee6af08d9a93327bf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637726859460996684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=r8xogPatFzbtKkG0KMgRIM8Ac3Ap1godvBXjGI7n7yo%3Dreserved=0
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
> is Acting Crazy Again!
> 
> Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:26 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
> Acting Crazy Again!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> “Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
> exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
> kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin
> 
> My Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0a270a4d13fb49eee6af08d9a93327bf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637726859460996684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=r8xogPatFzbtKkG0KMgRIM8Ac3Ap1godvBXjGI7n7yo%3Dreserved=0
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RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, Richard is correct, but the problem isn't that people are chatting or 
talking about issues that are off topic. The problem is that people are 
hijacking a thread without changing the subject line or starting a new thread.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

Richard is completely right in his opinions.

If you want to chatte rand tel blablabla start a whatsapp group or simply a 
chatlist.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 22:31
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
is Acting Crazy Again!

I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and on 
about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a message and 
write things completely unrelated to the original subject; rather than starting 
a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever the way you start a new 
message so it begins a new thread on the subject you actually want to talk 
about.

But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to say 
to be enough for some.





Richard
“Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin

My Web site: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C7b03699c3c7a45febdb808d9a92ac35c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637726823395126249%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=Tot7b4aMXAhJ2nGzD%2BJTEzI1XjiSZIlNomSzZeFcnXk%3Dreserved=0


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!





Richard
“Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin

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RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[davycuppens]

Richard is completely right in his opinions.

If you want to chatte rand tel blablabla start a whatsapp group or simply a 
chatlist.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 15 november 2021 22:31
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri 
is Acting Crazy Again!

I thought the subject line was clear enough without having to ramble on and on 
about the irritating tendency of people to continually respond to a message and 
write things completely unrelated to the original subject; rather than starting 
a new message with control_n or Command+n or whatever the way you start a new 
message so it begins a new thread on the subject you actually want to talk 
about.

But, apparently, I cannot expect a subject line which says all I needed to say 
to be enough for some.





Richard
“Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!

Sorry but is there meant to be a message here somewhere,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What has Face ID VS Touch ID have to do with Siri? was RE: Siri is 
Acting Crazy Again!





Richard
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RE: new iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi James,

I expected your BARD books might already be unzipped since that was required 
for using them on a Victor Reader Stream. I agree that as long as NLS BARD is 
operating and available, re-downloading the book again is much faster than 
attempting to rezip and transfer them using an iPhone app.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

I'll save this post for future reference.  But, as far as Bard books, it sounds 
quicker to just download the books again.  All of my books on my external hard 
drive are unzipped.

Thank you for your responce.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

Hi James,

It is possible to transfer previously downloaded BARD books from a computer to 
BARD Mobile running on an iDevice. You have to decide whether the involved 
steps take less effort than just downloading the book again. You'll need a 
cloud service like Dropbox and the BARD book should be in its original zip 
format as downloaded from NLS. I have used Dropbox ever since getting my first 
iPhone because it was the service allowing access between files on my computer 
and the apps I used on my iPhone. So it only takes a short time to get zipped 
BARD books already in a Dropbox folder to the BARD Mobile app. From the Dropbox 
app, place focus on the zip file, select export, and then double tap on BARD 
Mobile. If BARD Mobile isn't presented as an option, you might have to execute 
a More button to choose it. You can also use the iOS native Files app to share 
a zipped BARD book with BARD Mobile provided the book is located in a cloud 
service available to Files. I just tested transfer of two separate BARD zip 
files I downloaded over a year ago using the Dropbox and the Files apps and the 
process only took a few seconds and each book played fine in BARD Mobile.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 9:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: new iPhone

Hello,

I have around two hundred Bard books saved to a hard drive in case I want to 
put them back on a thumb drive and play them on my NLS Digital player.

I suppose that it isn't possible to put these books on my iPhone S E 2020 
without just down loading them to the phone from Bard again?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Charles 
Spicer
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.  
> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the 
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download 
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only 
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really 
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books 
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my 
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to 
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy 
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my 
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong 
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that 
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with 
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the 
>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost 

Re: IOS 15

[Gerardo Corripio]

No such problems here either! Have you tried restarting (turning off/on), the 
phone? Sometimes these restarts help solve little glitches like the one 
described. Good luck!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 16 nov 2021, a la(s) 11:37 a.m., Sieghard Weitzel  
> escribió:
> 
> I don't have this issue at all with my iPhone 11 and iOS 15.1.
> Have you checked to make sure the setting which controls this in Voiceover 
> Settings > Audio is not turned off?
> Also, you can always just plug in the Earpods or use any other wired or 
> Bluetooth headset as a work-around.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
> Gallik
> Sent: November 16, 2021 8:15 AM
> To: viPhone  
> Subject: Re: IOS 15
> 
> One very annoying property of iOS15.1 is that the feature of switching to 
> SPEAKER automatically during a telephone call when you move the phone away 
> from your ear seems to be badly broken.  There was a thread in this list 
> discussing the matter where it was suggested that a single finger right flick 
> (or left) would resolve this bug, this has not worked for me.  If I had to do 
> it over again knowing this, I would have remained with iOS15.0; I recommend 
> you do not load iOS15.1 unless using the speaker during a call is a 
> non-factor for you.
> 
> One consequence of the above described bug is that “Be My Eyes” is rendered 
> quite useless for me because I’m not able to communicate with the volunteer 
> answering my request.  I find it nearly impossible to accurately aim the 
> phone to transmit a decent picture of the item I need identified with the 
> phone pressed up against my ear.
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Carolyn]

Right. When I set mine up, I had streaks in my hair and no permanent wave. Now 
I have gray hair and a permanent. The thing works. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

So, it doesn't matter when you make small changes like wearing a cap or how 
your hair is fixed?  And, face I D works in a dimly lit room?

Just curious,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

You just hold the phone out from you at the level of your face, maybe 15 
inches. The thing works, dark or light, with or without dark glasses. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

> 

> 

> 

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

> 

> Esther

> 

> 

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> 

> 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Keep in mind that the way Siri 

RE: IOS 15

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't have this issue at all with my iPhone 11 and iOS 15.1.
Have you checked to make sure the setting which controls this in Voiceover 
Settings > Audio is not turned off?
Also, you can always just plug in the Earpods or use any other wired or 
Bluetooth headset as a work-around.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Gallik
Sent: November 16, 2021 8:15 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: Re: IOS 15

One very annoying property of iOS15.1 is that the feature of switching to 
SPEAKER automatically during a telephone call when you move the phone away from 
your ear seems to be badly broken.  There was a thread in this list discussing 
the matter where it was suggested that a single finger right flick (or left) 
would resolve this bug, this has not worked for me.  If I had to do it over 
again knowing this, I would have remained with iOS15.0; I recommend you do not 
load iOS15.1 unless using the speaker during a call is a non-factor for you.

One consequence of the above described bug is that “Be My Eyes” is rendered 
quite useless for me because I’m not able to communicate with the volunteer 
answering my request.  I find it nearly impossible to accurately aim the phone 
to transmit a decent picture of the item I need identified with the phone 
pressed up against my ear.

* * * * * * * * * * * *
- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "What we do comes out of who we believe we are."
- Rob Bell

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RE: new iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I thought you can access any of the BARD books at any time on their library?
Anyways, I found that while there are definitely some improvements especially 
in the last 2-3 years so many of these incredible features Apple announces are 
really just relatively minor things or things which benefit the sighted world a 
lot more which of course is to be expected. Just listen to the keynote for the 
iPhone 13 intro, most of it is about taking pictures, cool effects and all 
sorts of stuff I never do and I bet if I upgraded from my iPhone 11 to an 
iPhone 13 I would barely notice the difference.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: November 15, 2021 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the point when 
it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download audible books, 
however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only place you can keep your 
bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really hope that will change.  I hate 
the thought of all my downloaded books only on one device not backed up.  Of 
course, I always make sure my bard book is backed up to my external hard drive. 
 However, I have to redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the 
only copy of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my 
external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong with my 
drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that will be coming in 
future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with them.

On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
> I have a 13 mini and love it.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the 
> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn’t really take off
>
> I’m not sure about he 13 mini,
>
>
>
> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>
> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost device.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be an 
> iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Interesting article,
>
>
>
> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear 
> in a future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>
>
>
> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to the 
> flag ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the SE
>
>
>
> And that isn’t a down play on the SE,
>
>
>
> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Richard Petty
> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who 
> would hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don’t think 
> this will happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>
>
>
> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones 
> that will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not 
> expected to launch until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have 
> disagreed that Apple is focused on under-display Touch ID, and it's 
> not clear if the feature would be included in Apple's flagship iPhones or 
> devices like a future iPhone SE.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>
>
>
> Dennis already answered your question, but depending on what you have 
> now I would seriously consider to wait for the iPhone 14. I just read 
> an article where it said that the 14 Pro models may very well still 
> get under the screen Touch Id in addition to Face Id and depending on 
> how bad this current chip shortage issue 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Face Id works in absolute pitch darkness and yes, small things like wearing 
glasses, having a 3-day beard or even more, all of that doesn't matter. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: November 16, 2021 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

So, it doesn't matter when you make small changes like wearing a cap or how 
your hair is fixed?  And, face I D works in a dimly lit room?

Just curious,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

You just hold the phone out from you at the level of your face, maybe 15 
inches. The thing works, dark or light, with or without dark glasses. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

> 

> 

> 

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

> 

> Esther

> 

> 

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> 

> 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keep in mind that often phone prices remain the same or more or less the same 
even if storage goes up. At one point we started out with phones like the 3GS 
and 4 and maybe even still the 4S which started with 8 Gb, 16Gb and 32GB, then 
16Gb, 32Gb and 64Gb were the normal, later it went to 128Gb and 256Gb, but 
typically the pricing remained more or less the same. Storage is becoming 
cheaper all the time.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: November 15, 2021 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

But it's not going to stay the same price,

 Hell the nz price for the 1tb 13 pro max is $2999 So 3k  

I'd hate to know what the price of a 2tb device would be.

Even in the USA they'd be costly
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 7:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

The longer I wait, the more space I'll be able to buy.  I'd be very upset if I 
bought a one terabyte iPhone and the next year, a model came out with 2 
terabytes.  I don't live close to an apple store, so the chances of me getting 
to try an iPhone with face ID isn't great.

On 11/15/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be 
> waving it 藍
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. 
> Even though I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate 
> having touch ID as an option. There are times I just find it annoying 
> to have to wave the phone in front of my face.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Alan Lemly
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster 
> than Touch ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone 
> containing Touch ID if your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors 
> indicate it's unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.
>
> Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to 
> use an iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?
>
> You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much 
> more reliable than Touch Id.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Joshua Hendrickson
>
> Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>
>
> I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and 
> unlimited talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not 
> getting a
> 13 pro this year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I 
> have to wait a couple more years to do so, I can do it.
>
> I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still 
> has a lot of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.
>
> Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in 
> available time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my 
> iPhone 8.
>
>
>
> On 11/15/21, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.
>
>>
>
>> -Original Message-
>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>
>> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM
>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
>> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT
>
>>
>
>> Esther
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
>> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>
>>
>

RE: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You should at least report this as well via Apple's regular feedback mechanisms 
because this isn't really an accessibility issue.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: November 15, 2021 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

I hope everyone is writing 
accessibil...@apple.com and reporting these 
insane variations on words.

Asking for the spelling of Déjà vu and getting “t n n o r m a l l” is 
absolutely insane.
That isn’t a word in any language I know of.




Richard
“Sunshine is delicious, rain is refreshing, wind braces us up, snow is 
exhilarating; there is really no such thing as bad weather, only different 
kinds of good weather.” ~ John Ruskin

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: weirdness with VO and asking Siri to spell

I get the same, not necessarily these words. I have also asked siri to spell a 
word, in which she does correctly, but she adds nonsensical letters at the end 
of the word. Because of the craziness with siri lately, unless I'm away from 
home, I use my Amazon Alexa for info instead. At least she hseems to be 
intelligent.

Donna




Since installing 15.1 I have noticed Siri returning bizarre answers for words I 
want the correct spelling of.



For example, I asked Siri to spell junk and it spells it j u n k.  But if I ask 
for the spelling of dejavu I get t n n o r m a l e e.  Truly bizzar.



Has anyone else seen this and is there a fix for it?  I have tested with a 
number of other words and almost all of them give the spelling but with t n n o 
r m a l either before the word or after it.



Thanks for any help.





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RE: IOS 15

[mmmat]

Before you do that, try waking up the phone first.  If the phone is asleep, it 
will not switch to speaker.  I hit the power button once and that wakes up the 
phone and then it will switch to speaker.  If you have a home button, try 
hitting that first then moving the phone away from your ear.

Hopefully that resolves your issue.

Mario 

scar

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Gallik
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:26 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: Re: IOS 15

Huh, if that don’t beat all.  Maybe I’ll try a reset and hope that resolves the 
problem with auto routing to the speaker!

If that does resolve the issue, I’ll be sure to note that to the list.

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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I am not experiencing the issue with moving the phone away from my head and 
> it going to speaker.  It works fine on my 13 pro running iOS 15.1.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
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Re: IOS 15

[Bill Gallik]

Huh, if that don’t beat all.  Maybe I’ll try a reset and hope that resolves the 
problem with auto routing to the speaker!

If that does resolve the issue, I’ll be sure to note that to the list.

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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I am not experiencing the issue with moving the phone away from my head and 
> it going to speaker.  It works fine on my 13 pro running iOS 15.1.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
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RE: IOS 15

[Richard Turner]

I am not experiencing the issue with moving the phone away from my head and it 
going to speaker.  It works fine on my 13 pro running iOS 15.1.




Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Gallik
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:15 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: Re: IOS 15

One very annoying property of iOS15.1 is that the feature of switching to 
SPEAKER automatically during a telephone call when you move the phone away from 
your ear seems to be badly broken.  There was a thread in this list discussing 
the matter where it was suggested that a single finger right flick (or left) 
would resolve this bug, this has not worked for me.  If I had to do it over 
again knowing this, I would have remained with iOS15.0; I recommend you do not 
load iOS15.1 unless using the speaker during a call is a non-factor for you.

One consequence of the above described bug is that “Be My Eyes” is rendered 
quite useless for me because I’m not able to communicate with the volunteer 
answering my request.  I find it nearly impossible to accurately aim the phone 
to transmit a decent picture of the item I need identified with the phone 
pressed up against my ear.

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RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[bentleyj1952]

So, it doesn't matter when you make small changes like wearing a cap or how 
your hair is fixed?  And, face I D works in a dimly lit room?

Just curious,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

You just hold the phone out from you at the level of your face, maybe 15 
inches. The thing works, dark or light, with or without dark glasses. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

> 

> 

> 

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

> 

> Esther

> 

> 

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> 

> 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh 
> your 

> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 

> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 

> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 

> really don't see too much benefit.

> 

> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to 

Re: IOS 15

[Bill Gallik]

One very annoying property of iOS15.1 is that the feature of switching to 
SPEAKER automatically during a telephone call when you move the phone away from 
your ear seems to be badly broken.  There was a thread in this list discussing 
the matter where it was suggested that a single finger right flick (or left) 
would resolve this bug, this has not worked for me.  If I had to do it over 
again knowing this, I would have remained with iOS15.0; I recommend you do not 
load iOS15.1 unless using the speaker during a call is a non-factor for you.

One consequence of the above described bug is that “Be My Eyes” is rendered 
quite useless for me because I’m not able to communicate with the volunteer 
answering my request.  I find it nearly impossible to accurately aim the phone 
to transmit a decent picture of the item I need identified with the phone 
pressed up against my ear.

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RE: new iPhone

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

That is a very cool feature that I didn't realize the Bard Mobile app had.  
Thanks for mentioning it.  




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 2:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

The nice thing about bard, is that it is completely free.  It doesn't
cost you anything.  My previously downloaded bard books is now at
20176.  I have them all stored on my external hard drive.  Bard mobile
has a great feature that once on a book title of your bookshelf, you
can swipe down for additional options, like author, more info which
would tell you the summary of the book, an option to see all books by
that author that bard had, or all books in a specific category, or all
books in a specific series.  Very cool.

On 11/16/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> So with this book service,
> Do you have to purchase the books or is it a book like service where you can
> lone the books for a specific time?
>
>  I'm not sure this is a service we can get in NZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Charles Spicer
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 3:40 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!
>
> On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
> wrote:
>> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.
>> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>>
>> Pam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>>
>> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
>> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
>> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
>> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
>> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
>> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
>> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
>> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
>> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
>> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
>> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
>> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
>> them.
>>
>> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>>> God bless!
>>> Paula and the pups
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Carolyn
>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the
>>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>>
>>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost
>>> device.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be
>>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Interesting article,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear
>>> in a future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to
>>> the flag ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the
>>> SE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>>> Behalf Of Richard Petty
>>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of 

RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

[Carolyn]

You just hold the phone out from you at the level of your face, maybe 15 
inches. The thing works, dark or light, with or without dark glasses. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

Well, I mean...I thought the phone needs to look at you?

 

Cheers,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Christopher, you just have to hold it and look at it, no need to be waving it 藍

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: November 15, 2021 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have tried face ID, and I use it all of the time on my iPhone 11. Even though 
I don't have a problem with face ID, I'd still appreciate having touch ID as an 
option. There are times I just find it annoying to have to wave the phone in 
front of my face.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I have to agree with Sieghard that Face ID is much easier and faster than Touch 
ID ever was. I would not wait to upgrade to an iPhone containing Touch ID if 
your current iPhone isn't meeting your needs.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

Then definitely expect 2 years rather than 1 because all rumors indicate it's 
unlikely the 14 phones will get Touch Id.

Have you actually really tried Face Id? I mean really had a chance to use an 
iPhone 11, 12 or 13 and set it up and use it?

You might be surprised how fast and good it is, in my opinion much more 
reliable than Touch Id.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: November 15, 2021 9:16 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

 

I use Verizon and I've got an awesome deal.  I get 5 gigs of data and unlimited 
talk and text for around $27 per month.  Esther, I'm not getting a 13 pro this 
year.  I'm holding out for a phone with touch ID.  If I have to wait a couple 
more years to do so, I can do it.

I've only had my iPhone 8 for just over 2 years.  So my phone still has a lot 
of life left in it.  I also just had my battery replaced.

Let me tell you all, that new battery sure does make a difference in available 
time.  I also have a great new otterbox simitry case for my iPhone 8.

 

On 11/15/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

> My carrier is AT, and so far, I have no Siri issues with my iPhone 11.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale

> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

> Subject: Re: Siri is Acting Crazy Again!

> 

> 

> 

> Ooops!  I forgot to tell you that my carrier is AT

> 

> Esther

> 

> 

> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> 

> 

> On Nov 14, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel   > wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Keep in mind that the way Siri behaves may have less to do witgh 
> your 

> iPhone then with the service. Which phone do you have? If it's an 

> iPhone 8 or older I can see how an upgrade could definitely be a good 

> thing, but if you have an iPhone 11 or anything like that I personally 

> really don't see too much benefit.

> 

> I just switched from Koodo here in Canada back to Telus. Telus is 
> one 

> of the 3 main providers and Koodo is actually owned by them, but they 

> often have offered cheaper plans.

> 

> Now Telus called me and offered me a business plan where the more 

> phones you bring to them the better of a deal you get, 4 would have 

> saved me an extra $5/month per plan, but even with 3 lines which 

Re: IOS 15

[Pete Nalda]

Yeah, in relation, mine seems to stall when moving to next messages. 

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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Kimberly Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Your mileage may vary, but ever since updating to iOS15 my SE 2020 has
> had problems retrieving email. The problem is hit and miss in that
> sometimes everything works just fine. But at least every two or three
> days I need to fiddle with the phone to get email to download. By
> fiddle I mean either removing mail from the app switcher or completely
> shutting down the phone. It's not what I would call show-stopping --
> not for me anyway -- but it is inconvenient and annoying.
> 
> I know that not everyone has this issue and, like I said, it isn't
> reproducable with any consistency. But just something to think about.
> 
> 
>> On 11/16/21, Stewart McKay  wrote:
>> Hi:
>> 
>> 
>> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can
>> anyone tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  I
>> will be upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks
>> 
>> 
>> stew
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Re: IOS 15

[Pete Nalda]

You get a nasty black screen if you touch the upper to Bring up call controls, 
and it will also blink. I don’t know what this will do for voiceover users but 
it’s hell for zoom users

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> On Nov 16, 2021, at 6:57 AM, Stewart McKay  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> 
> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can anyone 
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> 
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Re: new iPhone

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Simon,

BARD is the download service of the National Library Service available to print 
impaired citizens of the USA.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Simon A 
Fogarty 
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:12:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: new iPhone

So with this book service,
Do you have to purchase the books or is it a book like service where you can 
lone the books for a specific time?

 I'm not sure this is a service we can get in NZ

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Charles 
Spicer
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 3:40 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!

On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND  wrote:
> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.
> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
> them.
>
> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>> God bless!
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the
>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>
>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>
>>
>>
>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>
>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be
>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Interesting article,
>>
>>
>>
>> I question though the comment that under screen touch id would appear
>> in a future SE before the iPhone flag ship,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have thought that any new feature like this would go in to
>> the flag ship phones / devices before a lsecond rate device like the
>> SE
>>
>>
>>
>> And that isn't a down play on the SE,
>>
>>
>>
>> But they are not made to be the top of the line devices,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>> Behalf Of Richard Petty
>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 9:38 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Sieghard, thank you for sharing the full article. For those of us who
>> would hope for an under-display Touch ID, it seems some don't think
>> this will happen. Below is a quote from the article:
>>
>>
>>
>> According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is working on iPhones
>> that will feature under-display Touch ID, but these devices are not
>> expected to launch until 2023. Other sources like Bloomberg have
>> disagreed that Apple is focused on under-display Touch ID, and it's
>> not clear if the feature would be included in Apple's flagship
>> iPhones or devices like a future iPhone SE.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> 

Re: IOS 15

[Stewart McKay]

thanks richard.  i will check it out.

On 11/16/2021 9:48 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I recommend you read the Applevis.com blog that came out when 15.1 was released.
https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-151-and-ipados-151-bringing-many-fixes-voiceover-and-braille-users




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Stewart 
McKay
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 4:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 15

Hi:


I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can anyone 
tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  I will be 
upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks


stew

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RE: IOS 15

[Richard Turner]

Do you have lots of apps running in the app switcher when you have trouble 
getting mail?




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 15

Your mileage may vary, but ever since updating to iOS15 my SE 2020 has had 
problems retrieving email. The problem is hit and miss in that sometimes 
everything works just fine. But at least every two or three days I need to 
fiddle with the phone to get email to download. By fiddle I mean either 
removing mail from the app switcher or completely shutting down the phone. It's 
not what I would call show-stopping -- not for me anyway -- but it is 
inconvenient and annoying.

I know that not everyone has this issue and, like I said, it isn't reproducable 
with any consistency. But just something to think about.


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> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can 
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RE: AirPods question

[Richard Turner]

Have you tried going into Bluetooth settings on your phone and forgetting the 
airpods?

I don't have this issue since I have a Windows computer.



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From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 4:13 AM
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Subject: AirPods question

I realize that syncing across devices with AirPods can be a beautiful thing, 
but is there any way to make sure this doesn't happen. If I want to use the 
pods, for example on my Mac mini, I will get a message, or a phone call, or an 
alarm will go off on my iPhone, and the connection automatically goes to the 
iPhone. I have looked in settings on both phone and computer and I hope I'm 
missing something, because I would really like to prevent this from happening.

Thanks

Kristeen

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Re: IOS 15

[Kimberly Gardner]

Your mileage may vary, but ever since updating to iOS15 my SE 2020 has
had problems retrieving email. The problem is hit and miss in that
sometimes everything works just fine. But at least every two or three
days I need to fiddle with the phone to get email to download. By
fiddle I mean either removing mail from the app switcher or completely
shutting down the phone. It's not what I would call show-stopping --
not for me anyway -- but it is inconvenient and annoying.

I know that not everyone has this issue and, like I said, it isn't
reproducable with any consistency. But just something to think about.


On 11/16/21, Stewart McKay  wrote:
> Hi:
>
>
> I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can
> anyone tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  I
> will be upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks
>
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> stew
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RE: IOS 15

[Richard Turner]

I recommend you read the Applevis.com blog that came out when 15.1 was released.
https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-151-and-ipados-151-bringing-many-fixes-voiceover-and-braille-users




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Subject: IOS 15

Hi:


I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can anyone 
tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  I will be 
upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks


stew

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IOS 15

[Stewart McKay]

Hi:


I just got notification that IOS 15.1 is available for download. Can 
anyone tell me what i need to be aware of as far as issues with it?  I 
will be upgrading from 14.8.  So any help is appreciated.  thanks



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AirPods question

['Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone]

I realize that syncing across devices with AirPods can be a beautiful thing, 
but is there any way to make sure this doesn’t happen. If I want to use the 
pods, for example on my Mac mini, I will get a message, or a phone call, or an 
alarm will go off on my iPhone, and the connection automatically goes to the 
iPhone. I have looked in settings on both phone and computer and I hope I’m 
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Kristeen

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RE: Siri not letting you send messages?

[chrisjudge1967]

That was happening to me quite consistently until I updated to IOS 15. It seems 
to be working correctly now.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Adam 
Morris
Sent: November 13, 2021 2:53 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Siri not letting you send messages?

 

Hi all,

A friend of mine has the issue where she will ask Siri to send a message, she 
starts to say her message and only gets two words out before Siri thinks she 
has finished.
She knows not to pause at the beginning of the message.
Wondering what the best cause of action would be to fix this?
TIA.

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