About GPS systems and their accuracy

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For those who didn't read the thread about the "Differences in iPhone 14 
models" here again what I posted regarding GPS accuracy. I wrote this in reply 
to a statement Kelly made about having heard that the iPhone 15 Pro may have 1 
inch GPS accuracy. In particular he said "it may also have dual channel 
satellite navigation, giving location data as accurate as an inch compared to 
the 20 feet single channel offers"

One inch accuracy is very difficult to achieve especially in cities between 
tall buildings and while a measurement over a long period of time may result in 
extremely high accuracy, most consumer devices cannot do this in most 
applications or without the euse of additional "augmentation 
systems",
 here the definition of what that is:

A GPS augmentation is any system that aids GPS by providing accuracy, 
integrity, availability, or any other improvement to positioning, navigation, 
and timing that is not inherently part of GPS itself.

Another article I read says this "Yes, there are GPS systems that can measure 
locations with accuracy up to 1 inch. These systems are known as Real-Time 
Kinematic (RTK) GPS systems. They

use a fixed base station and a mobile receiver to calculate highly accurate 
positions."

And here a page from the US government website about GPS 
accuracy, one highlight 
here is this:

It will depend on the quality of your equipment, how many satellites are 
visible and processing in your equipment and the quality of the GPS signals 
(direct, reflection, interference). As measured by the Air Force that runs the 
GPS program, the error across the entire constellation of satellites was 2.1 
feet, 95% of the time on 20 April 2021.

Also, I hear sometimes people say the US government deliverately makes the GPS 
system less accurate; this is not true as of over 20 years ago, specifically in 
2000 then President Bill Clinton put a stop to the so-called "selective 
availabbility" which was used throughout the 90's globally to make GPS signals 
for civilian use less accurate. On the GPS website it says " The United States 
has no intent to ever use Selective Availability again.".



What Kelly referred to as "dual channel satellite navigation is technically 
called "dual frequency" or "multi band" and many of the newer Garmin GPS's 
including some of Garmin's watches already have this.

Here an excerpt from an explanation from the Garmin website:

What is Dual Frequency/Multi-Band GPS?

Dual-frequency or "Multi-Band" systems use multiple frequency bands and allow 
for more consistent tracklogs and improved positioning when using the device in 
challenging environments.

This means the receiver tracks more than one radio signal from each satellite 
on different frequencies, which can reduce errors caused by environmental 
interference.



What Advantages Do Multi-Band Devices Have Over Other Models?

* More consistent tracklogs and improved positioning when using the device in 
challenging environments (e.g. around tall buildings in urban canyons as well 
as tree cover)

* Can achieve accuracy within about +/- 2 meters or 6 feet under ideal 
conditions versus the +/- 3 meters or 10 feet accuracy of other models

* Detect (and reject) reflected satellite signals better than a single 
frequency receiver which improves accuracy

* Better equipped to account for and correct errors that can be introduced by 
atmospheric effects (e.g. ionosphere errors)

NOTE: Multi-GNSS satellite systems include GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, QZSS, BeiDou, 
and IRNSS (NavIC). Some satellite systems are not available in all areas of the 
globe.

For more details, see https://www.gps.gov/systems/gnss/



I am sure the iPhone 15 Pro will undoubtedly be a fantastic device, but it 
seems Apple is differenciating the Pro models more and more from the regular 
models and then we have rumours of an iPhone 15 Ultra although I also read that 
this may possibly what Apple will call the iPhone 15 Pro Max and they will give 
it even more features or make it tougher than the regular iPhone 15 Pro.

I guess we have to wait and see, but don't hold your breath that any iPhone in 
the near future will give you 1 inch GPS accuracy especially not in the places 
where most people live like cities with tall buildings and many sources of 
potential interference. For now the next big reveal will be iOS 17 on Monday, 
June 5 which Apple announced today is when WWDC will start. Then we'll wait 
another 3 or so months and probably on Tuesday, September 12 or so Apple wil 
lhave the fall hardware reveal although most rumours will have been confirmed 
at least a few weeks before then.

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RE: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[Sieghard Weitzel]

First of all, I never said I think high-speed data transfers aren't important 
for some people. What I said was that I heard Apple is limiting the speed of 
the USB-C port to that of what the Lightning port now has.

I am also quite convinced that Apple is working towards an iPhone without any 
ports and that just as when they ditched the 3.5mm headphone jack, once they do 
this Samsung and others will follow on their heels.



Here a bit more regarding the statement "it may also have dual channel 
satellite navigation, giving location data as accurate as an inch compared to 
the 20 feet single channel offers"

One inch accuracy is very difficult to achieve especially in cities between 
tall buildings and while a measurement over a long period of time may result in 
extremely high accuracy, most consumer devices cannot do this in most 
applications or without the euse of additional "augmentation 
systems",
 here the definition of what that is:

A GPS augmentation is any system that aids GPS by providing accuracy, 
integrity, availability, or any other improvement to positioning, navigation, 
and timing that is not inherently part of GPS itself.

Another article I read says this "Yes, there are GPS systems that can measure 
locations with accuracy up to 1 inch. These systems are known as Real-Time 
Kinematic (RTK) GPS systems. They

use a fixed base station and a mobile receiver to calculate highly accurate 
positions."

And here a page from the US government website about GPS 
accuracy, one highlight 
here is this:

The official GPS site has a good description of accuracy. It will depend on the 
quality of your equipment, how many satellites are visible and processing in 
your equipment and the quality of the GPS signals (direct, reflection, 
interference).

As measured by the Air Force that runs the GPS program, the error across the 
entire constellation of satellites was 2.1 feet, 95% of the time on 20 April 
2021.

Also, I hear sometimes people say the US government deliverately makes the GPS 
system less accurate; this is not true as of over 20 years ago, specifically in 
2000 then President Bill Clinton put a stop to the so-called "selective 
availabbility" which was used throughout the 90's globally to make GPS signals 
for civilian use less accurate. On the GPS website it says " The United States 
has no intent to ever use Selective Availability again.".



What Kelly described is technically called "dual frequency" or "multi band" and 
many of the newer Garmin GPS's including some of Garmin's watches already have 
this.

Here an excerpt from an explanation from the Garmin website:



What is Dual Frequency/Multi-Band GPS?

Dual-frequency or "Multi-Band" systems use multiple frequency bands and allow 
for more consistent tracklogs and improved positioning when using the device in 
challenging environments.

This means the receiver tracks more than one radio signal from each satellite 
on different frequencies, which can reduce errors caused by environmental 
interference.



What Advantages Do Multi-Band Devices Have Over Other Models?

• More consistent tracklogs and improved positioning when using the device in 
challenging environments (e.g. around tall buildings in urban canyons as well 
as tree cover)

• Can achieve accuracy within about +/- 2 meters or 6 feet under ideal 
conditions versus the +/- 3 meters or 10 feet accuracy of other models

• Detect (and reject) reflected satellite signals better than a single 
frequency receiver which improves accuracy

• Better equipped to account for and correct errors that can be introduced by 
atmospheric effects (e.g. ionosphere errors)

NOTE: Multi-GNSS satellite systems include GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, QZSS, BeiDou, 
and IRNSS (NavIC). Some satellite systems are not available in all areas of the 
globe.

For more details, see https://www.gps.gov/systems/gnss/



I am sure the iPhone 15 Pro will undoubtedly be a fantastic device, but it 
seems Apple is differenciating the Pro models more and more from the regular 
models and then we have rumours of an iPhone 15 Ultra although I also read that 
this may possibly what Apple will call the iPhone 15 Pro Max and they will give 
it even more features or make it tougher than the regular iPhone 15 Pro.

I guess we have to wait and see, but don't hold your breath that any iPhone in 
the near future will give you 1 inch GPS accuracy especially not in the places 
where most people live like cities with tall buildings and many sources of 
potential interference. For now the next big reveal will be iOS 17 on Monday, 
June 5 which Apple announced today is when WWDC will start. Then we'll wait 
another 3 or so months and probably on Tuesday, September 12 or so Apple wil 
lhave the fall hardware reveal although most rumours will have been 

RE: Power Bank?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I assume by powerbank  you refer to an expernal battery. As Kelly pointed out, 
you can get something small which will recharge an iPhone fully once or maybe 
twice if  you only charge when you are down to 40%. As to the type it really 
makes little difference as all external batteries have one or more USB plug and 
 you can plug in your regular Lightning cable and use it on any of your iPhones 
or you can plug in your Apple Watch charging cable with the round magnetic 
charger for the watch on the other end.
The only difference is that larger capacity batteries usually have more than 1 
plug and can charge 2 ore more devices at the same time.
Also, if your Apple Watch charger has a USB-C end which means a small plug 
almost like a Lightning plug, then you may want to look for a power bank which 
has at least one USB-C plug-in. You can get iPhone Lightning charging cables 
which also have Usb-C on the other end so ifi you found a battery with just a 
single USB-C plug in then that would be something you have to get.
I have a small Anker battery which is sort of like what Kelly described 
although I think it is 6000 Mah and definitely a bit fatter, but it's also 
older so maybe skinner versions are out there now.
I also have a rather expensive Hyper Juice battery which I think is 26,000 Mah 
and it has 4 USB-C plug-ins and it can even charge my Lenovo laptop. But it's 
not what you would most likely want to carry around on a daily bases, I often 
use it at home to charge various headsets because for something like that  you 
can literally use it for weeks or months without having to recharge it. I also 
pack it when my wife and I go to the Philippines where I might be in places 
where sometimes the power is out or unreliable and where it's nice to have a 
battery which can recharge both of our phones, Apple Watches and headsets 
multiple times.
Anker is a good brand and they have everything from small 3000 Mah batteries to 
the large 20,000 or even higher batteries, they are easily available on Amazon 
and you get a quality item for a reasonable price.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Power Bank?

Hi, Group.
I am looking for a power bank but I don’t know what I should search for.
I want a power bank for my iPhone12, Apple Watch SE and iPhone8.
What should I search for on Amazon, Canada (amazon.ca)?
Thanks!
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Re: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[William James]

I would also wait until the iPhone 15 comes out.  You only have six months to 
wait.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Mar 29, 2023, at 11:48 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Joshua that the iPhone 15 Pro is setting up to be a
> spectacular upgrade. It will have USBC supporting USB 3.2, which is 10
> to 20 times the transfer rate of the current USB 2.0 technology. It
> will be the first smart phone with a three nanometer processor,
> delivering blazing fast speeds. It may also have dual channel
> satellite navigation, giving location data as accurate as an inch
> compared to the 20 feet single channel offers that was in all iPhones
> before the 14 Pro.
> 
> Seigard, I disagree about the need for high speed data transfers. I
> now have 512 GB of storage. Some iPhones have a whole terabyte. With
> USB 2.0, transferring tens of thousands of music tracks takes several
> hours. This is also so for sighted people taking uncompressed photos
> with the 48-megapixel camera or 4k video. They need to move these big
> photos and videos off their phones and onto their computers for more
> storage.
> 
> For blind people, they may want to move a motley Crew discography off
> their phone after listening to it in the gym five times and change it
> out for another metal band.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/29/23, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> And I’m also considering Getting a new Apple Watch since my Apple Watch
>> fifth generation died two weeks before Christmas last year I saved up enough
>> money, thinking about getting the ultra because of a bigger screen, and the
>> fact that it has two speakers and tactile buttons. If I type it right if I
>> get it or rather if I purchase it on April 5 I should have it by my birthday
>> which is April 6. This is definitely a year of new stuff! Whatever phone
>> model you end up with, I hope it serves you well. Not everybody can afford
>> the latest and greatest all the time of everything but I say whatever works
>> best for you. I hope it works out for you. Good luck.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, my dad got a good deal since he’s a part of Sam’s Club as a member
>>> at least and anyway I got an iPhone 14 and it’s working well for me and
>>> I’m totally blind. I do have to say it is much faster than the 8+. I do
>>> like the feature where when you power on and off the phone it actually
>>> makes a sound. I never got that with the 8+. Yes, it doesn’t have all the
>>> bells and whistles like the pro model does but whatever works for you is
>>> hell I tend to lean.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 I would highly recommend you get the iPhone 14 Pro. If you are
 considering the iPhone 14 you would be better of to see if you can find
 an iPhone 13 Pro instead.
 The iPhone 14 did not get the newest processor like the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro
 Max did and this is the first time that Apple has not put their latest
 chip in a new phone. Basically if  you buy an iPhone 14 you get the same
 processor as the iPhone 13/13 Pro.
 One thing the Pro models have (apart from better cameras) is the LiDAR
 sensor which allows features like door detection and so on. I assume as
 time goes by, more developers may make use of it so I think it's a good
 thing to have a phone which has the LiDAR sensor. This means you have to
 get a Pro phone, the first one which had this was the iPhone 12 Pro, when
 the iPhone 13/13 Pro phons came out the 13 Pro again had it and not the
 regular 13 and the same applies to the 14 and 14 Pro, the 14 Pro/Pro Max
 have the liDAR sensor and the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not. This is why
 I feel as a blind person you are better off with an iPhone 13 Pro over a
 regular iPhone 14. Also you probably get a better deal on an iPhone 13
 Pro, but I know here in Canada they are becoming a bit harder to find.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 William Outman
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:03 PM
 To: V IPhone List 
 Subject: Differences in iPhone 14 models
 
 Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon.
 I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several
 choices in this family.
 I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide
 which one to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get.
 Bill Outman
 
 
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Re: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[Kelly Pierce]

I agree with Joshua that the iPhone 15 Pro is setting up to be a
spectacular upgrade. It will have USBC supporting USB 3.2, which is 10
to 20 times the transfer rate of the current USB 2.0 technology. It
will be the first smart phone with a three nanometer processor,
delivering blazing fast speeds. It may also have dual channel
satellite navigation, giving location data as accurate as an inch
compared to the 20 feet single channel offers that was in all iPhones
before the 14 Pro.

Seigard, I disagree about the need for high speed data transfers. I
now have 512 GB of storage. Some iPhones have a whole terabyte. With
USB 2.0, transferring tens of thousands of music tracks takes several
hours. This is also so for sighted people taking uncompressed photos
with the 48-megapixel camera or 4k video. They need to move these big
photos and videos off their phones and onto their computers for more
storage.

For blind people, they may want to move a motley Crew discography off
their phone after listening to it in the gym five times and change it
out for another metal band.

Kelly



On 3/29/23, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> And I’m also considering Getting a new Apple Watch since my Apple Watch
> fifth generation died two weeks before Christmas last year I saved up enough
> money, thinking about getting the ultra because of a bigger screen, and the
> fact that it has two speakers and tactile buttons. If I type it right if I
> get it or rather if I purchase it on April 5 I should have it by my birthday
> which is April 6. This is definitely a year of new stuff! Whatever phone
> model you end up with, I hope it serves you well. Not everybody can afford
> the latest and greatest all the time of everything but I say whatever works
> best for you. I hope it works out for you. Good luck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>
>> Well, my dad got a good deal since he’s a part of Sam’s Club as a member
>> at least and anyway I got an iPhone 14 and it’s working well for me and
>> I’m totally blind. I do have to say it is much faster than the 8+. I do
>> like the feature where when you power on and off the phone it actually
>> makes a sound. I never got that with the 8+. Yes, it doesn’t have all the
>> bells and whistles like the pro model does but whatever works for you is
>> hell I tend to lean.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would highly recommend you get the iPhone 14 Pro. If you are
>>> considering the iPhone 14 you would be better of to see if you can find
>>> an iPhone 13 Pro instead.
>>> The iPhone 14 did not get the newest processor like the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro
>>> Max did and this is the first time that Apple has not put their latest
>>> chip in a new phone. Basically if  you buy an iPhone 14 you get the same
>>> processor as the iPhone 13/13 Pro.
>>> One thing the Pro models have (apart from better cameras) is the LiDAR
>>> sensor which allows features like door detection and so on. I assume as
>>> time goes by, more developers may make use of it so I think it's a good
>>> thing to have a phone which has the LiDAR sensor. This means you have to
>>> get a Pro phone, the first one which had this was the iPhone 12 Pro, when
>>> the iPhone 13/13 Pro phons came out the 13 Pro again had it and not the
>>> regular 13 and the same applies to the 14 and 14 Pro, the 14 Pro/Pro Max
>>> have the liDAR sensor and the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not. This is why
>>> I feel as a blind person you are better off with an iPhone 13 Pro over a
>>> regular iPhone 14. Also you probably get a better deal on an iPhone 13
>>> Pro, but I know here in Canada they are becoming a bit harder to find.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> William Outman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:03 PM
>>> To: V IPhone List 
>>> Subject: Differences in iPhone 14 models
>>>
>>> Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon.
>>> I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several
>>> choices in this family.
>>> I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide
>>> which one to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get.
>>> Bill Outman
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Power Bank?

[Kelly Pierce]

Someone can walk around with thick heavy bricks delivering days of
battery power.  These big heavy bricks are unnecessary for iPhone
users. As blind people, we would rather walk around with a pocket
battery charger that can fully recharge an iPhone once or twice. The
5,000 mA battery chargers are lightweight and fit into a man’s pant’s
pocket. They are the size of two lighters or a thick tube of lipstick.
My favorite is the Slim 2 charger. It was only $12 US and came with a
charger and carrying case to fit the battery, wall charger, an
connecting cable. It carries enough juice to charge a regular iPhone
twice. If you go with a bigger battery bank, you will need to carry it
around in a bag or backpack.

Kelly



On 3/29/23, Fazil M.  wrote:
> Hi, Group.
>
> I am looking for a power bank but I don't know what I should search for.
>
> I want a power bank for my iPhone12, Apple Watch SE and iPhone8.
>
> What should I search for on Amazon, Canada (amazon.ca)?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Google maps

[joseph hudson]

Hello, when you open up the Google maps app, there is a saved tab, all 
addresses can be found in there that you have saved.

> On Mar 29, 2023, at 8:46 PM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> When opening the google maps app only, where can i find the already saved 
> favorites ?
> 
> 
> Many thanks
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Google maps

[Terje Strømberg]

Hello,

When opening the google maps app only, where can i find the already saved 
favorites ?


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Power Bank?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

I am looking for a power bank but I don't know what I should search for.

I want a power bank for my iPhone12, Apple Watch SE and iPhone8.

What should I search for on Amazon, Canada (amazon.ca)?

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Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sounds like a complaint to Facebook accessibility is in mind here too. Both 
applications you mention I Meta apps.

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> On Mar 29, 2023, at 12:53 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but 
> overall in the ios system. 
> Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Lyne
> Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility 
> dictation feedback bug still not solved
> 
> In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am 
>> able to find and review the edit field.
>> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
>> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Henrichsen
>> p...@pfhj.org
>> pfhj2...@gmail.com
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>> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
>> feedback bug still not solved
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>> Hi folks 
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>> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social 
>> media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are 
>> nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or 
>> possibly correct your phrases.
>> 
>> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
>> 
>> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
>> accessibil...@apple.com 
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Re: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[CHELA Robles]

And I’m also considering Getting a new Apple Watch since my Apple Watch fifth 
generation died two weeks before Christmas last year I saved up enough money, 
thinking about getting the ultra because of a bigger screen, and the fact that 
it has two speakers and tactile buttons. If I type it right if I get it or 
rather if I purchase it on April 5 I should have it by my birthday which is 
April 6. This is definitely a year of new stuff! Whatever phone model you end 
up with, I hope it serves you well. Not everybody can afford the latest and 
greatest all the time of everything but I say whatever works best for you. I 
hope it works out for you. Good luck.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:48 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well, my dad got a good deal since he’s a part of Sam’s Club as a member at 
> least and anyway I got an iPhone 14 and it’s working well for me and I’m 
> totally blind. I do have to say it is much faster than the 8+. I do like the 
> feature where when you power on and off the phone it actually makes a sound. 
> I never got that with the 8+. Yes, it doesn’t have all the bells and whistles 
> like the pro model does but whatever works for you is hell I tend to lean.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I would highly recommend you get the iPhone 14 Pro. If you are considering 
>> the iPhone 14 you would be better of to see if you can find an iPhone 13 Pro 
>> instead.
>> The iPhone 14 did not get the newest processor like the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro 
>> Max did and this is the first time that Apple has not put their latest chip 
>> in a new phone. Basically if  you buy an iPhone 14 you get the same 
>> processor as the iPhone 13/13 Pro.
>> One thing the Pro models have (apart from better cameras) is the LiDAR 
>> sensor which allows features like door detection and so on. I assume as time 
>> goes by, more developers may make use of it so I think it's a good thing to 
>> have a phone which has the LiDAR sensor. This means you have to get a Pro 
>> phone, the first one which had this was the iPhone 12 Pro, when the iPhone 
>> 13/13 Pro phons came out the 13 Pro again had it and not the regular 13 and 
>> the same applies to the 14 and 14 Pro, the 14 Pro/Pro Max have the liDAR 
>> sensor and the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not. This is why I feel as a blind 
>> person you are better off with an iPhone 13 Pro over a regular iPhone 14. 
>> Also you probably get a better deal on an iPhone 13 Pro, but I know here in 
>> Canada they are becoming a bit harder to find.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> William Outman
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:03 PM
>> To: V IPhone List 
>> Subject: Differences in iPhone 14 models
>> 
>> Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon. 
>> I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several choices 
>> in this family. 
>> I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide which 
>> one to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get. 
>> Bill Outman 
>> 
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RE: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is only cool because it uses a USB-C cable, but it has already been 
confirmed that Apple will throddle the speed of the USB-C connection to the 
same as the Lightning port.
Anyways, who wants to plug in a cable any more, at least I find wireless 
charging is way more convenient and I have a hunch that putting a USB-C port on 
the iPhone 15 is just a temporary fix for Apple to comply with the rules n the 
European Union and that possible as early as the iPhone 16 in 2024 there simply 
won't be a charging port any more at all.
Also, nobody knows if the regular iPhone 15 gets the LiDAR sensor or if Apple 
continues to only put that on the Pro phones and most people who predict what 
Apple will do already say that again the regular iPhone 15 will not get this 
year's latest 3 Nanometer processor and that just as last year, only the Pro 
phones get it and the regular iPhone 15 will get last year's processor which is 
now in the iPhone 14 Pro.
The fact is that in real life and for day-to-day usage it is pretty hard to 
notice the difference anyways. Yes, when I upgraded from my iPhone 11 to the 13 
Pro I noticed things were a bit snappier, apps opened a bit faster and all 
that, but once you get used to it, you hardly notice it.
For Bill who is coming from an iPhone 8 even going to a 13 Pro whichis what I 
would recommend unless he can get a good deal on a 14 Pro, will be a big jump 
and big speed increase as well as battery life will be much better.
But you will pay top Dollar for the new phones as you always do and for the 
last two upgrades I did, I found going with the previous year's model was a 
much better deal and there is little if anything on an iPhone 14 or 14 Pro I 
felt was worth it compared to the 13 Pro I got for a very good deal.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 1:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Differences in iPhone 14 models

I'd honestly wait for the iPhone 15 to come out.  Then you'd have USBC charging 
which is going to be so cool.

On 3/29/23, William Outman  wrote:
> Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon.
> I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several 
> choices in this family.
> I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide 
> which one to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get.
> Bill Outman
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Re: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[CHELA Robles]

Well, my dad got a good deal since he’s a part of Sam’s Club as a member at 
least and anyway I got an iPhone 14 and it’s working well for me and I’m 
totally blind. I do have to say it is much faster than the 8+. I do like the 
feature where when you power on and off the phone it actually makes a sound. I 
never got that with the 8+. Yes, it doesn’t have all the bells and whistles 
like the pro model does but whatever works for you is hell I tend to lean.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I would highly recommend you get the iPhone 14 Pro. If you are considering 
> the iPhone 14 you would be better of to see if you can find an iPhone 13 Pro 
> instead.
> The iPhone 14 did not get the newest processor like the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max 
> did and this is the first time that Apple has not put their latest chip in a 
> new phone. Basically if  you buy an iPhone 14 you get the same processor as 
> the iPhone 13/13 Pro.
> One thing the Pro models have (apart from better cameras) is the LiDAR sensor 
> which allows features like door detection and so on. I assume as time goes 
> by, more developers may make use of it so I think it's a good thing to have a 
> phone which has the LiDAR sensor. This means you have to get a Pro phone, the 
> first one which had this was the iPhone 12 Pro, when the iPhone 13/13 Pro 
> phons came out the 13 Pro again had it and not the regular 13 and the same 
> applies to the 14 and 14 Pro, the 14 Pro/Pro Max have the liDAR sensor and 
> the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not. This is why I feel as a blind person you 
> are better off with an iPhone 13 Pro over a regular iPhone 14. Also you 
> probably get a better deal on an iPhone 13 Pro, but I know here in Canada 
> they are becoming a bit harder to find.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> William Outman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:03 PM
> To: V IPhone List 
> Subject: Differences in iPhone 14 models
> 
> Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon. 
> I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several choices 
> in this family. 
> I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide which 
> one to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get. 
> Bill Outman 
> 
> 
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RE: Differences in iPhone 14 models

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I would highly recommend you get the iPhone 14 Pro. If you are considering the 
iPhone 14 you would be better of to see if you can find an iPhone 13 Pro 
instead.
The iPhone 14 did not get the newest processor like the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max 
did and this is the first time that Apple has not put their latest chip in a 
new phone. Basically if  you buy an iPhone 14 you get the same processor as the 
iPhone 13/13 Pro.
One thing the Pro models have (apart from better cameras) is the LiDAR sensor 
which allows features like door detection and so on. I assume as time goes by, 
more developers may make use of it so I think it's a good thing to have a phone 
which has the LiDAR sensor. This means you have to get a Pro phone, the first 
one which had this was the iPhone 12 Pro, when the iPhone 13/13 Pro phons came 
out the 13 Pro again had it and not the regular 13 and the same applies to the 
14 and 14 Pro, the 14 Pro/Pro Max have the liDAR sensor and the regular 14 and 
14 Plus do not. This is why I feel as a blind person you are better off with an 
iPhone 13 Pro over a regular iPhone 14. Also you probably get a better deal on 
an iPhone 13 Pro, but I know here in Canada they are becoming a bit harder to 
find.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:03 PM
To: V IPhone List 
Subject: Differences in iPhone 14 models

Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon. 
I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several choices in 
this family. 
I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide which one 
to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get. 
Bill Outman 


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RE: Does any one know if the noise icesalation feature wil work in the newest i pad update that came out today

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Anna, then that would explain why I maybe didn't find  it because I do have 
Wi-Fi calling turned on.


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Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 8:59 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Does any one know if the noise icesalation feature wil work in the 
newest i pad update that came out today

Hello,

I also heard that this feature isn’t available if you have Wi-Fi calling turned 
on.

Best,
Anna


> On Mar 28, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> OK, thank you so very much for the very quick response. I will have to try it 
> out.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2023, at 7:25 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you do need to be in a phone call, then go to the control 
>> center, and look in there.  I'm looking forward to trying it out once 
>> I make a call.
>> 
>>> On 3/28/23, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
>>> How do you do the phone noise cancellation? Do you actually had to 
>>> be in a phone call to activate it, is that why I probably can’t find where 
>>> to do so?
>>> 
>>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>>> 
 On Mar 27, 2023, at 6:59 PM, Richard Turner 
 
 wrote:
 
 If you are talking about the isolation feature with cellular 
 calls, it could be if you have an iPad with cellular service, it 
 might. You could call Apple and ask: 877-204-3930
 
 
 
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> Does any one know if the feature where you can cancel out noise 
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RE: Does any one know if the noise icesalation feature wil work in the newest i pad update that came out today

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Except I tried and looked for it during a phone call and I can't see it 
anywhere in Control Panel. Is this only supported by the iPhone 14/14 Pro?

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newest i pad update that came out today

Yes, you do need to be in a phone call, then go to the control center, and look 
in there.  I'm looking forward to trying it out once I make a call.

On 3/28/23, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> How do you do the phone noise cancellation? Do you actually had to be 
> in a phone call to activate it, is that why I probably can’t find where to do 
> so?
>
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>
>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 6:59 PM, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you are talking about the isolation feature with cellular calls, 
>> it could be if you have an iPad with cellular service, it might. You 
>> could call Apple and ask: 877-204-3930
>>
>>
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>>> Does any one know if the feature where you can cancel out noise wil 
>>> work in the new i pad update that came out today?
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>>> Adrians ipad
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RE: I O S 16.4

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And if you want more sources, just do a Google search for "What's new in iOS 
16.4" and you find articles from all the major tech news outlets like 9to5Mac, 
MacRumors, Tech Radar, Engadget and many more.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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Subject: RE: I O S 16.4

My favorite source is the Applevis Blog.  Here is the direct link to the page 
for iOS and iPadOS 16.4.
https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-164-ipados-164-new-emoji-bug-fixes-security-updates-more




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Hello List,

Where can I find out what’s new in I O S 16.4?

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RE: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

First of all anything you hear at this stage are rumours so nobody knows for 
sure what all the new things will be the iPhone 15 will have.
One thing is for certain, the sizes will be the same or very similar to the 
current models of iPhones in the last few years, e.g. 6.1 inch for the regular 
iPhone 15/15 Pro and 6.7 or 6.8 inches for the iPhone 15 Pro Max and Plus if 
Apple again offers a Plus, the iPhone 14 Plus apparently is not super popular.
There are rumours that a new iPhone SE will be released this spring, but even 
here the rumour is that it will be larger than all the previous SE models and 
the last iPhone Mini was the iPhone 13 Mini and I have a feeling Apple may not 
make an iPhone 15 Mini since apparently the larger phones are the more popular. 
I think a large reason why the smaller iPhone SE phones did reasonably well was 
because of their lower price and not so much because of their smaller size; 
this maybe a consideration for some people, but I have a feeling that if you 
looked at all iPhone users that this group is 10% or less.
But in the end you simply have to wait until it is released to know for sure or 
at least until shortly before when most rumours are more or less confirmed and 
become fact.


Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 8:45 AM
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Subject: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

Hello all,

What are all the features about this phone? Also, will it fit in the persons 
pockets? Hopefully it’s smaller than the size of the bigger ones. Referring to 
the plus phones. I would want it to be smaller than that. Where it would fit in 
a pocket and not fall out.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

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RE: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

[davycuppens]

Why are you asking this?

Do you already know what is under the Christmas tree in december of this year?

Just wait wait and wait till Apple releases the models and makes the 
announcements maybe this year in september.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jenny Bomareto
Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 17:45
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

 

Hello all,

 

What are all the features about this phone? Also, will it fit in the persons 
pockets? Hopefully it’s smaller than the size of the bigger ones. Referring to 
the plus phones. I would want it to be smaller than that. Where it would fit in 
a pocket and not fall out.

 

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto


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Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Lyne]

Are you sure it's not Meta the problem? It's not jusst for dictation, it's the 
same if you use keyboard, you cannot read your text. It's not only for last 
update...  

Lyne

> Le 29 mars 2023 à 12:53, davycupp...@gmail.com a écrit :
> 
> Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but 
> overall in the ios system. 
> Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Lyne
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> dictation feedback bug still not solved
> 
> In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am 
>> able to find and review the edit field.
>> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
>> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Henrichsen
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>> pfhj2...@gmail.com
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>> -Original Message-
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>> feedback bug still not solved
>> 
>> Hi folks 
>> 
>> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social 
>> media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are 
>> nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or 
>> possibly correct your phrases.
>> 
>> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
>> 
>> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but 
overall in the ios system. 
Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again!
Davy 

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dictation feedback bug still not solved

In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 

Lyne

> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
> 
> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able 
> to find and review the edit field.
> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Paul Henrichsen
> p...@pfhj.org
> pfhj2...@gmail.com
> 
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> To: davycupp...@gmail.com
> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
> feedback bug still not solved
> 
> Hi folks 
> 
> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media 
> groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read 
> so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct 
> your phrases.
> 
> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
> 
> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

It cannot be reproduced all the time but it helps as you have been dictating 
several phrases in a row. Suddenly, after you stop dictating, you magic tap and 
here a sound and then normally as it should be, the tekst is read to you, that 
tekst that you have been dictating. In most cases this doesn't work, even VO is 
crashing and you have to close the app, reopen it, search fort he edit field 
and find or correct there your dictated tekst. It is really crab and 
frustrating behaviour and the most tramendous bug ever on ios.
Moreover in some cases stopping the dictation results in the playback of music 
a complaint which I have heard dozens of times in the last 2 or 3 months.
Regards
Davy 
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Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Paul Henrichsen
Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:07
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Onderwerp: RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility 
dictation feedback bug still not solved

Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able to 
find and review the edit field.
Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
Thanks.
 

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phrases. 

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RE: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

[Carolyn Arnold]

My 14 Pro is the exact, same size that my 11 was. 

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Hello all,

What are all the features about this phone? Also, will it fit in the persons 
pockets? Hopefully it’s smaller than the size of the bigger ones. Referring to 
the plus phones. I would want it to be smaller than that. Where it would fit in 
a pocket and not fall out.

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RE: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[Carolyn Arnold]

I have a 14 Pro, that I traded in my 11 for. I am pleased with it. The 12, 13, 
and 14 Pros and Pro Maxes have the Detection Mode in Magnifier, which is a 
helpful app for a totally blind person. 

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Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon. 
I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several choices in 
this family. 
I need to know the differences in features and prices so I can decide which one 
to get. That will of course determine what accessories I get. 
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Re: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

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OK thank you.Thanks for reading regarding this matter.Jenny BomaretoSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Nobody knows until Apple announces it.That won’t be fore several months yet.Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny BomaretoSent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 8:45 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: iPhone, 15 that is coming out. Hello all, What are all the features about this phone? Also, will it fit in the persons pockets? Hopefully it’s smaller than the size of the bigger ones. Referring to the plus phones. I would want it to be smaller than that. Where it would fit in a pocket and not fall out. Thanks for reading regarding this matter.Jenny BomaretoSent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/94DFE903-E0EA-4840-BBC7-18EAAB4B813B%40gmail.com.



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RE: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

[Richard Turner]

Nobody knows until Apple announces it.

That won’t be fore several months yet.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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Hello all,

 

What are all the features about this phone? Also, will it fit in the persons 
pockets? Hopefully it’s smaller than the size of the bigger ones. Referring to 
the plus phones. I would want it to be smaller than that. Where it would fit in 
a pocket and not fall out.

 

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

[Jenny Bomareto]

I forgot to say, I currently have the iPhone 8, not the plus, but the smaller 
one.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

[Jenny Bomareto]

Hello all,

What are all the features about this phone? Also, will it fit in the persons 
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Re: Differences in iPhone 14 models

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'd honestly wait for the iPhone 15 to come out.  Then you'd have USBC
charging which is going to be so cool.

On 3/29/23, William Outman  wrote:
> Okay, I’m ready to make the jump from my 8 Plus soon.
> I am interested in the iPhone 14 models, but know there are several choices
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