Windows 10 boot camp, it is solved.

[Mário Gabriel]

Okay, I already know what's going on with the drivers.
The 7, 8, and 8.1 packages have been updated to install drivers for 
windows 10 boot camp.

And the boot camp app, was also updated to install windows 10.
Now the download during the boot camp installation process, works.


Thank you for trying to help me Joseph.

cheers.


e a boot camp app, tambêm foi actualizada para instalar o windows 10.

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Re: windows 10 boot camp. sorry if it is off topic to this group.

[Mário Gabriel]

thank you Joseph.

cheers.


Às 16:56 de 10/05/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
I'll forward this to a more appropriate list.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:15 AM
To: iphone grupo 
Subject: windows 10 boot camp. sorry if it is off topic to this group.




Hi
Can anyone know if the drivers pack for windows 10 boot camp is not available 
for download in the apple downloads support?
I tried to find this package, but the latest one is only for windows 7, 8, and 
8.1.
I prefer to download the drivers before the installation process.
Because in the installation process when arrives to download the software 
package of the drivers, the download does not work.
I never get the download during the installation process.
How to download the drivers for windows 10 boot camp?
Or is it necessary to download   the windows 10 drivers software
package   during the boot camp installation process on windows 10?

Is it now possible to download the drivers during the boot camp process in 
windows 10?
Model, iMac 2013.
Some tips?
thank you all.


Cheers.



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windows 10 boot camp. sorry if it is off topic to this group.

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi
Can anyone know if the drivers pack for windows 10 boot camp is not 
available for download in the apple downloads support?
I tried to find this package, but the latest one is only for windows 7, 
8, and 8.1.

I prefer to download the drivers before the installation process.
Because in the installation process when arrives to download the 
software package of the drivers, the download does not work.

I never get the download during the installation process.
How to download the drivers for windows 10 boot camp?
Or is it necessary to download   the windows 10 drivers software 
package   during the boot camp installation process on windows 10?


Is it now possible to download the drivers during the boot camp process 
in windows 10?

Model, iMac 2013.
Some tips?
thank you all.


Cheers.

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Re: iPhone 7. wi-fi issue. help.

[Mário Gabriel]

Thanks friend
Let's hear what else someone has to say about this issue.


Às 19:00 de 08/05/2017, christopher hallsworth escreveu:

Hi could be a bug, as my friend is also having this intermittently on her 6s.

On 8 May 2017, at 18:56, Mário Gabriel  wrote:





Hi.


Can any of you tell me if you are having problems with the wi-fi connection on 
the iPhone 7?
I have this problem. and I'm not sure if it's a system bug, or a hardware 
problem in the wi-fi motherboard.

Is any of you going through this?
I've heard that some iPhone 7 models are having this issue.
Some say it's a wi-fi motherboard  problem with some iPhone 7 models, and 
others say it's a system bug.

Please I need your help to be sure if it is a bug, or hardware problem with the 
wi-fi motherboard.

Some tips?

Thank you all
Cheers.

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iPhone 7. wi-fi issue. help.

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi.


Can any of you tell me if you are having problems with the wi-fi 
connection on the iPhone 7?
I have this problem. and I'm not sure if it's a system bug, or a 
hardware problem in the wi-fi motherboard.


Is any of you going through this?
I've heard that some iPhone 7 models are having this issue.
Some say it's a wi-fi motherboard  problem with some iPhone 7 models, 
and others say it's a system bug.


Please I need your help to be sure if it is a bug, or hardware problem 
with the wi-fi motherboard.


Some tips?

Thank you all
Cheers.

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Re: spotify question.

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes friend, I also had to always do this when I had iPhone 5S 16GB.
Face book is also terrible to consume data and battery.
Face book will never let us delete the data without having to uninstall 
the app.
But now I'm more comfortable because I have iPhone 7 256gb, but I still 
like to delete data of the apps that consume more data.



Deezer music, let us delete data.
Spotify does not.
Some of the apps most used by us, are already letting us delete data.
This is the right way.
thank you.
cheers.


Às 11:10 de 06/05/2017, Mike Ulrich escreveu:


I think you’re screwed Mario. I have the Tune In Radio free app on my 
5S and I have to delete this app and redownload it every now and then.


When newly installed, it only takes up 47 or so megabytes. But even 
after one or two months of using it quite a bit, it grows to just over 
one gigabyte! So I have no choice but to delete and reinstall. I’ve 
only got a 16 gig IPhone, so this is a constant thing I have to just 
battle with.


Whaddya gonna do?

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mário Navarro

*Sent:* Friday, May 05, 2017 4:30 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* spotify question.

Hi!

For those who use spotify.

 Can anyone tell me if I can delete the spotify data?

 This app consumes data which is a crazy thing...

 I've tried to find a way to delete the data, but I do not think that 
is possible


. Some tips?

Thank you.

cheers.



  A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção.



enviado do meu iPhone.

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Re: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi
This is my opinion.
I prefer ten times more surfing the net with VO in IOS / safari, than 
with jaws whether in internet explorer, firefox, or chrome.

The safari with VO, is much more stable and accessible.

I know there are things to be updated with VO in html content, but even 
so it is much more accessible.


In my domestic tasks  I have no special needs.
Even in my work, I use my iPhone, or iPad.
I'm a telephone operator, and my iPhone or iPad, they do the job ...
And most of the time, do the job better than on a pc.
cheers.


Às 15:55 de 05/05/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:


It all depends on your needs. If you have to use Excel every day as I 
do for my business and if you do a lot of advanced browsing and using 
the internet including where you do a lot of banking where I want PDF 
copies of confirmation screens, using online ordering systems from my 
suppliers and so on you absolutely cannot get by without a computer. 
This is not even mentioning the use of business software like 
accounting, point of sale and so on. I would happily go up against the 
most advanced iPhone user when it comes to the efficiency I get with 
using Jaws for browsing the internet and even for writing and editing 
text.


I really like my iPhone and do some things on my iPhone rather than my 
computer because it’s easier and less cluttered, but at this stage of 
my life both personal and professional it is not a replacement for a 
computer.


Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Michael Feir

*Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 6:41 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

Same here. My iPHONE7 is my computer In most circumstances. The last 
piece to the puzzle was finding the Ulysses app. I now do all my 
writing using this app and a Bluetooth keyboard. I can carry a bag 
with accessories including headset, keyboard, external battery. It's 
far more portable and more easily upgraded and any laptop I ever 
owned. Battery life for even my best laptop was around six hours. With 
an external battery I can easily carry in a pocket, I can kep the 
iPHONE and acessories going for a few days if necessary.


For everyday stuff, an iPHONE has all the computing power you need 
plug GPS and camera helpful in identifying objects, getting around and 
scanning documents.


There are some audio games which require more RAM, storage space and 
processor power than we're ever likely to see on an iPHONE or other 
tablet. Other than that, I seem to have reached a point where my needs 
are quite nicely met by my iPHONE7. I'm currently working on Personal 
Power: The iOS Edition. Similar to the guide I wrote for Windows 
computers, it will help people understand the potential and get the 
most benefit in their personal lives from iOS devices they have. I 
hope to be done in around a year. Possibly less if things go as well 
as I hope this Simmer.


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:03 AM Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:





Absolutely right!
It's my pc!
I do a lot more on the iPhone, than on any computer.
And now I bought an otterbox defender, wow, is fantastic!
Completely protected

My iPhone is my computer!
I do not even use windows anymore!


Cheers.


Às 07:32 de 05/05/2017, SoonerAnnie escreveu:
> I absolutely love my iPhone and don't know what I would do
without it! I have also convinced a few other totally blind
friends...and also my twin sister...to get one...and they don't
know what they would do without them either! I do everything on
mine! It's like having a little computer in my pocket or purse!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 4, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Devin Prater
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I can't love a phone either. My computer, on the other hand, is
really
>> what I can put faith in.
>> --
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs.
>> Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
>>
>> "Jewel" mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>> writes:
>>
>>> I, also, have an iPhone 5S, and I loathe the horrid thing, and
that is * not because I have made up my mind to do so. I would
love to love it as all the blind people that I know
>>> who have one are rapturous in its praises and tell me: hand on
heart: that life has never been so good, but believe that
statement, I cannot!
>>> Jewel
>>>
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 1:37 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPho

Re: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes, my autonomy with an iPhone, is much bigger than with a pc.

There is no other phone that offers most apps with the best 
accessibility guaranteed.


And in your own system, it is unbeatable.
at least for now...

I do not even spend more money on computers. Whether laptop, or desktop.
Instead, I spent money on new iPhone model every 4 years...
cheers.
Às 14:38 de 05/05/2017, Tom Lange escreveu:

Back in early 2011 I went to work for an organization as an assistive technology 
coordinator and lead instructor for one of its computer training programs. I was 
using a Nokia phone with Talks at the time, which was pretty limiting, and I used 
my laptop and PC's around the computer lab. My coworker had an iPhone 4 and I 
always heard that thing chattering away while she was walking around campus or in 
her office. We rode home together on paratransit one day and I asked her if I could 
check out her phone. She explained the basic VO gestures and I immediately began 
exploring. When we dropped her off at her place I was convinced that I had to have 
the iPhone 4. The following weekend I went to the AT&T store with my girlfriend 
tagging along and I bought a phone for me and one for her. Since then I loaded it 
up with all kinds of apps and am always on a quest for new apps to make life a bit 
easier. Nowadays, after several phone upgrades I have the 256GB iPhone 7 with 
roughly 200 apps for just about anything I'd want to do. I rarely use my laptop at 
home for anything except heavy-duty word processing and Excel; my iPhone does the 
rest. I still use the Braille Sense U2 for note-taking and leisure reading, and, 
paired with the iPhone it's a nearly unbeatable combination. I use the iPhone for 
e-mail, web browsing, shopping, online banking, scanning and reading printed 
material on the fly when I'm out and about, object identification, GPS navigation, 
listening to podcasts and music, calendar management, using social media and the 
list goes on. Now, if I could only get the darn thing to cook my dinner and do the 
laundry I'd be set. But even  that is conceivable if appliances  in my apartment 
were set up with the right gizmos and gadgets and the iPhone could communicate with 
them. I'm always quick to tell my students that the iPhone isn't the universal 
panacea, the be-all end-all solution for making living with blindness easier, but 
I'd say it's a pretty good start.

Sent from my iPhone 7


On May 5, 2017, at 5:03 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:




Absolutely right!
It's my pc!
I do a lot more on the iPhone, than on any computer.
And now I bought an otterbox defender, wow, is fantastic!
Completely protected

My iPhone is my computer!
I do not even use windows anymore!


Cheers.


Às 07:32 de 05/05/2017, SoonerAnnie escreveu:

I absolutely love my iPhone and don't know what I would do without it! I have 
also convinced a few other totally blind friends...and also my twin sister...to 
get one...and they don't know what they would do without them either! I do 
everything on mine! It's like having a little computer in my pocket or purse!

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

I can't love a phone either. My computer, on the other hand, is really
what I can put faith in.
--

Devin Prater
Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs.
Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

"Jewel"  writes:


I, also, have an iPhone 5S, and I loathe the horrid thing, and that is * not 
because I have made up my mind to do so. I would love to love it as all the 
blind people that I know
who have one are rapturous in its praises and tell me: hand on heart: that life 
has never been so good, but believe that statement, I cannot!
Jewel

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 1:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

I used to be the braille and adaptive device instructor at a State Commission 
for the Blind. When I heard about the first accessible iPhone, I started paying 
attention to see if
they decided to make the iPod Touch accessible as at that time I had no 
interest in a cell phone.

On November 20, 2009, I decided to go to the Apple store to check out the new 
iPod Touch 3rd generation with VoiceOver.

I convinced the store to let me buy one with the understanding that if I decided it 
wasn't right for our clients, or myself, that I could return it with no "restocking 
fees."

Needless to say, I did not return it.

I convinced my manager that we should start teaching clients how to use it 
since it already did more than many other blindness specific products and was 
considerably
cheaper. I even bought an external GPS receiver/battery pack from Dual 
Electronics and began using the Touch as an accessible GPS device.

Our office now supplies all the staff who have to travel with an iPhone in 
place of the old Blackberries they used to use becau

Re: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes friend, that's right.
completely agree.
The only thing that makes me less satisfied is the lack of a battery 
with more power ...

But that's really the big problem for all or almost all devices.

One day we will have a new technology with twice the power we have today ...
The world waits for this.
cheers.


Às 14:41 de 05/05/2017, Michael Feir escreveu:
Same here. My iPHONE7 is my computer In most circumstances. The last 
piece to the puzzle was finding the Ulysses app. I now do all my 
writing using this app and a Bluetooth keyboard. I can carry a bag 
with accessories including headset, keyboard, external battery. It's 
far more portable and more easily upgraded and any laptop I ever 
owned. Battery life for even my best laptop was around six hours. With 
an external battery I can easily carry in a pocket, I can kep the 
iPHONE and acessories going for a few days if necessary.


For everyday stuff, an iPHONE has all the computing power you need 
plug GPS and camera helpful in identifying objects, getting around and 
scanning documents.


There are some audio games which require more RAM, storage space and 
processor power than we're ever likely to see on an iPHONE or other 
tablet. Other than that, I seem to have reached a point where my needs 
are quite nicely met by my iPHONE7. I'm currently working on Personal 
Power: The iOS Edition. Similar to the guide I wrote for Windows 
computers, it will help people understand the potential and get the 
most benefit in their personal lives from iOS devices they have. I 
hope to be done in around a year. Possibly less if things go as well 
as I hope this Simmer.
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:03 AM Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:





Absolutely right!
It's my pc!
I do a lot more on the iPhone, than on any computer.
And now I bought an otterbox defender, wow, is fantastic!
Completely protected

My iPhone is my computer!
I do not even use windows anymore!


Cheers.


Às 07:32 de 05/05/2017, SoonerAnnie escreveu:
> I absolutely love my iPhone and don't know what I would do
without it! I have also convinced a few other totally blind
friends...and also my twin sister...to get one...and they don't
know what they would do without them either! I do everything on
mine! It's like having a little computer in my pocket or purse!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 4, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Devin Prater
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I can't love a phone either. My computer, on the other hand, is
really
>> what I can put faith in.
>> --
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs.
>> Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
>>
>> "Jewel" mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>> writes:
>>
>>> I, also, have an iPhone 5S, and I loathe the horrid thing, and
that is * not because I have made up my mind to do so. I would
love to love it as all the blind people that I know
>>> who have one are rapturous in its praises and tell me: hand on
heart: that life has never been so good, but believe that
statement, I cannot!
>>> Jewel
>>>
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 1:37 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything
>>>
>>> I used to be the braille and adaptive device instructor at a
State Commission for the Blind. When I heard about the first
accessible iPhone, I started paying attention to see if
>>> they decided to make the iPod Touch accessible as at that time
I had no interest in a cell phone.
>>>
>>> On November 20, 2009, I decided to go to the Apple store to
check out the new iPod Touch 3rd generation with VoiceOver.
>>>
>>> I convinced the store to let me buy one with the understanding
that if I decided it wasn't right for our clients, or myself, that
I could return it with no "restocking fees."
>>>
>>> Needless to say, I did not return it.
>>>
>>> I convinced my manager that we should start teaching clients
how to use it since it already did more than many other blindness
specific products and was considerably
>>> cheaper. I even bought an external GPS receiver/battery pack
from Dual Electronics and began using the Touch as an accessible
GPS device.
>>>
>>> Our office now supplies all the staff who have to travel with
an iPhone in place of the old Blackbe

Re: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

[Mário Gabriel]

Absolutely right!
It's my pc!
I do a lot more on the iPhone, than on any computer.
And now I bought an otterbox defender, wow, is fantastic!
Completely protected

My iPhone is my computer!
I do not even use windows anymore!


Cheers.


Às 07:32 de 05/05/2017, SoonerAnnie escreveu:

I absolutely love my iPhone and don't know what I would do without it! I have 
also convinced a few other totally blind friends...and also my twin sister...to 
get one...and they don't know what they would do without them either! I do 
everything on mine! It's like having a little computer in my pocket or purse!

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

I can't love a phone either. My computer, on the other hand, is really
what I can put faith in.
--

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Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs.
Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com

"Jewel"  writes:


I, also, have an iPhone 5S, and I loathe the horrid thing, and that is * not 
because I have made up my mind to do so. I would love to love it as all the 
blind people that I know
who have one are rapturous in its praises and tell me: hand on heart: that life 
has never been so good, but believe that statement, I cannot!
Jewel

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 1:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

I used to be the braille and adaptive device instructor at a State Commission 
for the Blind. When I heard about the first accessible iPhone, I started paying 
attention to see if
they decided to make the iPod Touch accessible as at that time I had no 
interest in a cell phone.

On November 20, 2009, I decided to go to the Apple store to check out the new 
iPod Touch 3rd generation with VoiceOver.

I convinced the store to let me buy one with the understanding that if I decided it 
wasn't right for our clients, or myself, that I could return it with no "restocking 
fees."

Needless to say, I did not return it.

I convinced my manager that we should start teaching clients how to use it 
since it already did more than many other blindness specific products and was 
considerably
cheaper. I even bought an external GPS receiver/battery pack from Dual 
Electronics and began using the Touch as an accessible GPS device.

Our office now supplies all the staff who have to travel with an iPhone in 
place of the old Blackberries they used to use because of the built-in 
accessibility.

I bought the iPhone 5s for myself when it came out as I finally decided having 
a cell phone was a very good idea plus it meant I had a GPS system without a 
bulky external
device.

I now do most things on my iPhone and my iPod Touch 6th generation.

Thank you Steve Jobs.

Richard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 10 ways the iPhone changed everything

Hi, Everyone!

The iPhone has certainly made a huge difference in my life. My Apple experience 
started back on February 6, 2012, when I walked into the Apple Store at the 
West Farms
Mall in West Hartford, CT, and bought an iPod Touch. Because I had a very bad 
experience with a touch-screen device before then that was meant for blind 
people, I decided
to buy an iPod first in order for me to reacquaint myself with a touch screen. 
Well, let me tell you. It didn't take me long to get used to the iPod Touch. I 
was emailing the day
after I bought the device, and then the following November I took the plunge 
and bought the iPhone 5. The rest is history.

I do almost everything on my phone and I absolutely love it.

It felt wonderful to walk into that Apple Store and buy the same thing that 
everyone else buys rather than spending money to buy only adaptive products for 
the blind.
Believe me, I'm not knocking these blindness-related devices and, in fact, they 
are wonderful too, but it was so wonderful when I heard VoiceOver speak for the 
first time in
the store when the salesperson activated it for me.

Anyway, that's my story about my Apple experience. I also switched from a Dell 
computer over to an Apple MacBook Air.

Take care everyone!

Esther Levegnale

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

On May 4, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:

In 2007 I purchased a Trekker/Maestro for $2,000 among other assistive 
technology devices (i.e., Note Reader II, etc.). At that time I composed an 
e-mail to one of the
various blindness-oriented e-mail lists suggesting how nice it would be if a 
single device could support all the various aspects of assistive technology. 
Little did I know
that such a device was being initially released by Apple - the iPhone. I wished 
I had that $2000 and waited for what coming; it is truly amazing and definitely 
life
changing!



- Bill

- "Confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis."
- Translation: to "The damned and accursed are consigned to the flames of hell.

Re: thank you all and leaving after this message

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi, dear Zoe.
Me and my friends are praying for you in the Fatima santuary here in 
portugal.

You are always present in our minds.
Zoe, you also have to pray a lot together with your family.
If you trust in your prayers and in all who are praying for you, you 
will be cured in the name of God ...

God will purify your body, and you will be clean of everything ...
Pray, pray very much, this is the way for your cure.

Courage and god bless you


Às 17:26 de 29/04/2017, zoe fiogkos escreveu:

Hi all I want to thank each and every one of you for your private and onlist
messages. Thank you to the mods and owners for not scolding me for the off
topic posts. However I have emposed and taken advantage of their kindness
and understanding so it's time for me to unsubscribe and I hope they will
remember my name and let me back in when I am well again.
For anyone who wishes to keep in contact with me this is my email address,
so we don't clog up the list with my personal story.
fiog...@rogers.com

Again thank you to all and may the good Lord bless each and everyone of you.
Sincerely
Zoe




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Re: prayers and reason for unsubscribing soon

[Mário Gabriel]

 dear Zoe, sorry to have mispronounced your name.
I am here to pray for you, and believe that you will be cured in the 
name of God and of all who pray for you.
Trust in God and in all the brothers who are praying for you and your 
family.

God is merciful, and will cleanse you from this damn infestation.
God bless you, dear sister.


Às 11:48 de 28/04/2017, Mário Gabriel escreveu:




my God!
My dear friend, I am now sitting here on my desk crying for you and 
the tears are running down my face.

I have no more words to describe what I feel for you at this moment ...
I'm going to pray for you right now and ask God to get you out of 
these damn bugs.

God bless you, and your family.

dear Zoi.
Have courage and trust our prayers.


Às 20:35 de 27/04/2017, zoe fiogkos escreveu:
Hi my fellow elf's and Mrs. Clause. Hope you are all doing ok. 
Unfortunately
I have no choice, I have to unsubscribe from all the email groups I 
belong
to. I haven't been able to check email and be online for a long time 
and it
seems I will be out of things for much longer. When I turned on my 
laptop

this morning I had over fifteen thousand emails waiting for me. Given my
situation I just can't keep up anymore. I pray that one day I recover 
and
are able to join my favourite groups again.  My family is against me 
telling
people what's wrong but I feel in writing this email I'm also helping 
myself
to come to grips with my illness. I will remain subscribed a few more 
days
so that I may read your thoughts in hopes that your words might help 
me to

continue to fight this awful illness.
Again I'm sorry for the off topic post and I hope the moderators can 
find it

in their hearts to forgive me, and if one day I recover I hope they will
remember me and let me back in to my favourite mailing groups.
Before I tell you all my story, I would like to thank each and every 
one of
you for either your help on various topics, or your individual 
private help
through the phone or private email, or your messages of getting to 
know me,
or your words of encouragement when it came to the mac, jaws, NVDA, 
windows
10, household tips, cooking instructions, prayers, and harmless chit 
chat.
If I offended anyone in anyway, or gave anyone a hard time please 
forgive

me.
Here's my unbelievable story.
Last August I was doing a lot of gardening mostly weeding to be 
honest. I
was on my hands and knees from morning to night pulling weeds and 
keeping my
property clean. I am grateful to the good Lord for blessing me to 
have such
a lovely property but it's old and no one ever took care of the 
garden. The
result is weeds on top of my weeds. Chemicals are forbidden here in 
Canada,

and I haven't been able to find an affordable solution, so I'm left with
fighting weeds on a daily bases. I am a sun lover and adore summer, last
summer was the first time in my life that I couldn't wait for summer 
to be

over. I was exhausted and I have nothing to remember for my 2016 summer
except pulling weeds all most every day for the whole entire spring, 
summer,

and fall.
In August I noticed 2 mosquito bites on my elbow and 2 on my inner left
thigh. The bites were very itchy just like normal mosquito bites, so I
didn't think anything of it. I also noticed my nails were black 
underneath.
I thought it was dirt from the garden, to spite that I was showering 
every

single day and cleaning my nails, the next morning they would be filthy
again. Again I thought it strange but I justified it in my head as to 
much
gardening. In August my husband and I visited a few local restaurants 
and

spent two nights in a motel in north Ontario for a weekend away.
I wanted to try my hand at building a small business doing something 
I love

so I decided to start making my own bracelets and selling them online. I
have always loved costume jewellery and to spite my vision problems, 
I have
been taught that there is nothing I can't do. My mother always said 
"try and

if you fail, oh well, life goes on. Try different things until you find
something you are good at and you love doing." So I talked to my mom and
husband and they both backed me as they always do. My mother who 
adores me
spent over six thousand dollars to buy my supplies, and encouraged me 
on a
daily bases. My husband turned half of my computer room into a work 
space
with special lighting, magnifying contraptions, shelving, etc. My 
husband
and mom bought me bins with dividers and I spent months sorting beads 
and
other supplies by color, size, and type. I got help from someone on 
one of

these mailing lists and he helped me to create labels to label all these
bins. Everything was going great, or so I thought.
I spent hours teaching myself how to make these beautiful bracelets, I
finally got the hang of it after much trial and error and I was ready 
to go.

I registered on etsy.com and opened up a Facebook small business page. I
bou

Re: prayers and reason for unsubscribing soon

[Mário Gabriel]

my God!
My dear friend, I am now sitting here on my desk crying for you and the 
tears are running down my face.

I have no more words to describe what I feel for you at this moment ...
I'm going to pray for you right now and ask God to get you out of these 
damn bugs.

God bless you, and your family.

dear Zoi.
Have courage and trust our prayers.


Às 20:35 de 27/04/2017, zoe fiogkos escreveu:

Hi my fellow elf's and Mrs. Clause. Hope you are all doing ok. Unfortunately
I have no choice, I have to unsubscribe from all the email groups I belong
to. I haven't been able to check email and be online for a long time and it
seems I will be out of things for much longer. When I turned on my laptop
this morning I had over fifteen thousand emails waiting for me. Given my
situation I just can't keep up anymore. I pray that one day I recover and
are able to join my favourite groups again.  My family is against me telling
people what's wrong but I feel in writing this email I'm also helping myself
to come to grips with my illness. I will remain subscribed a few more days
so that I may read your thoughts in hopes that your words might help me to
continue to fight this awful illness.
Again I'm sorry for the off topic post and I hope the moderators can find it
in their hearts to forgive me, and if one day I recover I hope they will
remember me and let me back in to my favourite mailing groups.
Before I tell you all my story, I would like to thank each and every one of
you for either your help on various topics, or your individual private help
through the phone or private email, or your messages of getting to know me,
or your words of encouragement when it came to the mac, jaws, NVDA, windows
10, household tips, cooking instructions, prayers, and harmless chit chat.
If I offended anyone in anyway, or gave anyone a hard time please forgive
me.
Here's my unbelievable story.
Last August I was doing a lot of gardening mostly weeding to be honest. I
was on my hands and knees from morning to night pulling weeds and keeping my
property clean. I am grateful to the good Lord for blessing me to have such
a lovely property but it's old and no one ever took care of the garden. The
result is weeds on top of my weeds. Chemicals are forbidden here in Canada,
and I haven't been able to find an affordable solution, so I'm left with
fighting weeds on a daily bases. I am a sun lover and adore summer, last
summer was the first time in my life that I couldn't wait for summer to be
over. I was exhausted and I have nothing to remember for my 2016 summer
except pulling weeds all most every day for the whole entire spring, summer,
and fall.
In August I noticed 2 mosquito bites on my elbow and 2 on my inner left
thigh. The bites were very itchy just like normal mosquito bites, so I
didn't think anything of it. I also noticed my nails were black underneath.
I thought it was dirt from the garden, to spite that I was showering every
single day and cleaning my nails, the next morning they would be filthy
again. Again I thought it strange but I justified it in my head as to much
gardening. In August my husband and I visited a few local restaurants and
spent two nights in a motel in north Ontario for a weekend away.
I wanted to try my hand at building a small business doing something I love
so I decided to start making my own bracelets and selling them online. I
have always loved costume jewellery and to spite my vision problems, I have
been taught that there is nothing I can't do. My mother always said "try and
if you fail, oh well, life goes on. Try different things until you find
something you are good at and you love doing." So I talked to my mom and
husband and they both backed me as they always do. My mother who adores me
spent over six thousand dollars to buy my supplies, and encouraged me on a
daily bases. My husband turned half of my computer room into a work space
with special lighting, magnifying contraptions, shelving, etc. My husband
and mom bought me bins with dividers and I spent months sorting beads and
other supplies by color, size, and type. I got help from someone on one of
these mailing lists and he helped me to create labels to label all these
bins. Everything was going great, or so I thought.
I spent hours teaching myself how to make these beautiful bracelets, I
finally got the hang of it after much trial and error and I was ready to go.
I registered on etsy.com and opened up a Facebook small business page. I
bought more supplies to host a launching party with food, drinks, and gifts
for my guests to introduce them to my creations and my new business. While
all this was happening, I noticed in October that the mosquito bites were
not going away. They had become scabby and even more itchier.
I showed my mom and she justified it just like I had done in my mind. Due to
my type two diabetes they were taking a long time to heal as many things do
when you have diabetes.
At the beginning of November as some of you already know, I sta

Re: phone problems has anyone experienced this?

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes I already had that issue.
If you use an old apple bluethoot keyboard, this could be your problem ...
To solve that brightness issue, you have to turn off the keyboard.
I had to buy a new keyboard to see me free of this issue ...
Magic keyboard.
This issue is not an accessibility bug.
The issue was only real with bluethoot keyboard  on.

This issue is also real on mac computers

I think I'll never know if it was the keyboard that broke or if it's 
Apple fault.

You know what I mean.
I did the tests.

With the VO turned on, and off.

And both tests presented this issue.

Don't  get me wrong, but that's what happened.

Maybe that's also your issue,

Cheers.


Às 13:03 de 20/04/2017, alia robinson escreveu:

Okay, my phone voiceover started just stuttering randomly saying something over 
and over. I couldn’t activate anything. my son helped me before he left for 
school. my phone was continually adjusting the brightness to zero saying it 
over and over on the phone. He couldn’t change it in any way. the bar was not 
moving he said but it was continually adjusting down to zero and voiceover was 
in a loop. eventually we hard shutdown the phone. for now it’s okay, but is 
this indicative of something going bad in my phone or what? thanks.



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Re: Enquiry about Apple Magic Keyboard

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes, it's good.
 and Long battery.
Cheers.


Às 20:08 de 20/04/2017, christopher hallsworth escreveu:

Hi,

Great stuff! That gives me an incentive to purchase one then, despite the 
alternatives out there. I also like the fact you can recharge the thing using 
the familiar lightning to USB cable we all come to know and love.



On 20 Apr 2017, at 20:01, Mário Gabriel  wrote:



Hi
Yes it's true.
You only have to select the keyboard in the settings of the bluethoot and press 
capslock. RTR. Ready to run.
I have one.
cheers.


Às 19:36 de 20/04/2017, christopher hallsworth escreveu:

Evening everyone.

I am writing in with an enquiry on the Apple magic keyboard which I am looking 
into purchasing as early as next week.

Is it true that when pairing to your iOS device or Apple TV, there is no pairing code to 
enter? In other words, it just pairs automatically? This is what iMore claims anyway 
after doing a google search for "Magic Keyboard iOS" without quotes. The manual 
obtained from the Apple support website only documents how to use it with a mac, and that 
sounds cool as well, but my main goal is to use it with my iOS devices.

Any responses greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.





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Re: Enquiry about Apple Magic Keyboard

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi
Yes it's true.
You only have to select the keyboard in the settings of the bluethoot 
and press capslock. RTR. Ready to run.

I have one.
cheers.


Às 19:36 de 20/04/2017, christopher hallsworth escreveu:

Evening everyone.

I am writing in with an enquiry on the Apple magic keyboard which I am looking 
into purchasing as early as next week.

Is it true that when pairing to your iOS device or Apple TV, there is no pairing code to 
enter? In other words, it just pairs automatically? This is what iMore claims anyway 
after doing a google search for "Magic Keyboard iOS" without quotes. The manual 
obtained from the Apple support website only documents how to use it with a mac, and that 
sounds cool as well, but my main goal is to use it with my iOS devices.

Any responses greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.






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Re: IOS 10.3 is now public

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes, apple today released the beta 10.3.2


Às 18:53 de 28/03/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:


I’m sure there will be 10.3.x versions coming out, whether there will 
be a 10.4 is anybody’s guess, but if the past is an indication then 
10.3 will be the last single dot update.


iOS 9 also just went up to version 9.3, but it went all the way to 
9.3.5 with that last update being released in late August, only a few 
weeks before the public release of iOS 10.


Here is a look back with an article from Forbs regarding the bug in 
iOS 9.3.4 and iOS 9.3.5 where Voiceover caused problems with dictation:


vNext week Apple will launch the iPhone 7 and with it the overhauled 
iOS 10. But not every iPhone, iPad and iPod touch will get an upgrade 
to iOS 10, and Apple has just admitted the final version of iOS 9 has 
been left with a nasty surprise...


‘Great Features’ and ‘Nasty Surprises’ are my regular columns 
investigating operating system updates for the best features / biggest 
problems hidden behind


the headlines.

So what happened?

In short Apple has decided to leave iOS 9 with an unfixed bug that is 
of minor inconvenience to many users, but which causes serious 
problems for the visually impaired. The bug means use of VoiceOver 
corrupts voice dictation causing words to be repeated and jumbled. It 
is particularly bad in the Notification Center when quick replying to 
messages.


Having been contacted by a number of visually impaired users, they 
explained that the only workaround is hugely impractical. They have to 
turn off VoiceOver (which removes all audio navigational aids) turn on 
dictation, speak, turn off dictation (all without guidance) then turn 
VoiceOver back on. For the visually


impaired VoiceOver is essential, but so too is voice dictation.

VoiceOver is crucial for visually impaired iPhone and iPad users, but 
using it breaks voice dictation - an equally vital feature. Image 
credit: Apple


For its part, Apple confirmed to me the bug is known but it was left 
in iOS 9.3.4 and also in iOS 9.3.5 because it will be addressed in iOS 
10 (and is


fixed in the latest public beta). The problem is the iPhone 4S, iPad 
Mini, iPad 3rd gen and iPod touch 5th gen are not entitled to iOS 10 
upgrades so the


bug will remain and there will be little choice but to upgrade to new 
hardware.


As such I believe that if Apple knows how to fix the bug, and iOS 10 
shows it does, then the company should fix the bug for this generation 
of devices


which will be stranded on iOS 9. Technology has long had an obsession 
with looking forwards (and the


iPhone’s future is very exciting) but in this case I would strongly 
urge Apple to also respect the past.


Regards,

Sieghard

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Davy Cuppens

*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:05 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: IOS 10.3 is now public

Correct me if I am wrong but I heard that Ios 10.3 is the latest one 
before ios11 comes out around Indian summer this year. Maybe one small 
safety update or so but no major ios10 upgrade anymore.


Best regards

Davy

*From:*Sieghard Weitzel 

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 28, 2017 5:32 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*RE: IOS 10.3 is now public

It is quite likely that you may have to re-register for the next beta 
anyways, just because you were registered for 10.3 Beta I don’t think 
means you are automatically registered for 10.4 Beta.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Ruby

*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:09 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: IOS 10.3 is now public

I updated to ios 10 beta 7 the other day. For the heck of it I deleted 
my beta profile and checked for a software update and it said I had 
10.3 and had the latest update. Now I just made more work for myself 
when the next betas start again.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 10:10 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: IOS 10.3 is now public

As the subject says, iOS 10.3 is now “public”.

I guess last week’s public beta 7 is also the public release because I 
was running the public beta and I don’t have an update today on my 6S 
Plus. My wife who was on 10.2.1 with her 6S does have iOS 10.3 today.


Regards,

SieghardI don’t

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy Baracco

*Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 8:02 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: IOS 10.3 is now public

Is this a beta?

Andy

- Original Message -

*From:*Tea Turkovic 

Re: New Accessibility-Related Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.3

[Mário Gabriel]

please report to apple.

I already did it ...

thanks.


cheers.


Às 21:30 de 27/03/2017, Shai escreveu:

Hello,
I notice this bug using VoiceOver when I attempt to force touch on the
Messages app to get a menu. When I do, the choices are gone and the
messages app opens right away in the composition window. Although not
a serious bug for sure, it is annoying.


On 3/27/17, Mário Gabriel  wrote:



Mary, this is real in most apps that support 3D force touch.
Especially in native system apps.
for me, this is a general bug.

cheers.


Às 19:37 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:

Hi Mario,
What app or apps are you experiencing this in? I would be happy to report
it if I experienced it. So obviously, either my phone is different, which
seems  strange, or I'm not using the same apps with 3D Touch that you
are.
Mary


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On Mar 27, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:



Hi Mary.
On my iPhone 7, this issue is real.
I would not do it without being sure.
For me this issue is very serious.

With this, is already the second time that we are faced with this issue.

please let's all report this issue to apple.
thanks.
cheers.


Às 18:52 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:

Let's make sure we actually experience the bug before we report it. I
use the 3D Touch a lot in the notification section, and I have not
noticed this problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But it might be
app specific. So before you go reporting something based on what you
read, you might want to try it and see for yourself.
Mary


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On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mário Gabriel 
wrote:


hi.


 please, Let's go All report this serious issue to apple.


list of 1 items
• Behavior of Shortcut Menus triggered on app icons by 3D Touch is
unreliable. Things appear to work as expected if, after triggering the
3D Touch menu,
you keep your finger pressed to the screen and drag to locate a menu
item by touch or perform a very distinct swipe gesture to move
VoiceOver focus. However,
anything else (such as lifting your finger and then trying to locate a
menu item by touch) may result in one of the menu items being triggered
with no
input from you.
list end

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Re: New Accessibility-Related Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.3

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes my friend, that's exactly what happens.
 and result in one of the menu items being triggered with no input from 
you.

cheers.


Às 19:50 de 27/03/2017, Kliphton Miller escreveu:

This is a bug that I reported to apple during the beta.  Where it happens the 
most, is when you try to share an app from the home screen.  It appears to open 
up the choices, but then goes away.

On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi Mario,
What app or apps are you experiencing this in? I would be happy to report it if 
I experienced it. So obviously, either my phone is different, which seems  
strange, or I'm not using the same apps with 3D Touch that you are.
Mary


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On Mar 27, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:



Hi Mary.
On my iPhone 7, this issue is real.
I would not do it without being sure.
For me this issue is very serious.

With this, is already the second time that we are faced with this issue.

please let's all report this issue to apple.
thanks.
cheers.


Às 18:52 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:

Let's make sure we actually experience the bug before we report it. I use the 
3D Touch a lot in the notification section, and I have not noticed this 
problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But it might be app specific. So 
before you go reporting something based on what you read, you might want to try 
it and see for yourself.
Mary


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On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:


hi.


   please, Let's go All report this serious issue to apple.


list of 1 items
• Behavior of Shortcut Menus triggered on app icons by 3D Touch is unreliable. 
Things appear to work as expected if, after triggering the 3D Touch menu,
you keep your finger pressed to the screen and drag to locate a menu item by 
touch or perform a very distinct swipe gesture to move VoiceOver focus. However,
anything else (such as lifting your finger and then trying to locate a menu 
item by touch) may result in one of the menu items being triggered with no
input from you.
list end

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Re: New Accessibility-Related Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.3

[Mário Gabriel]

Mary, this is real in most apps that support 3D force touch.
Especially in native system apps.
for me, this is a general bug.

cheers.


Às 19:37 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:

Hi Mario,
What app or apps are you experiencing this in? I would be happy to report it if 
I experienced it. So obviously, either my phone is different, which seems  
strange, or I'm not using the same apps with 3D Touch that you are.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 27, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:



Hi Mary.
On my iPhone 7, this issue is real.
I would not do it without being sure.
For me this issue is very serious.

With this, is already the second time that we are faced with this issue.

please let's all report this issue to apple.
thanks.
cheers.


Às 18:52 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:

Let's make sure we actually experience the bug before we report it. I use the 
3D Touch a lot in the notification section, and I have not noticed this 
problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But it might be app specific. So 
before you go reporting something based on what you read, you might want to try 
it and see for yourself.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:


hi.


please, Let's go All report this serious issue to apple.


list of 1 items
• Behavior of Shortcut Menus triggered on app icons by 3D Touch is unreliable. 
Things appear to work as expected if, after triggering the 3D Touch menu,
you keep your finger pressed to the screen and drag to locate a menu item by 
touch or perform a very distinct swipe gesture to move VoiceOver focus. However,
anything else (such as lifting your finger and then trying to locate a menu 
item by touch) may result in one of the menu items being triggered with no
input from you.
list end

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Re: New Accessibility-Related Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.3

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi Mary.
On my iPhone 7, this issue is real.
I would not do it without being sure.
For me this issue is very serious.

With this, is already the second time that we are faced with this issue.

please let's all report this issue to apple.
thanks.
cheers.


Às 18:52 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:

Let's make sure we actually experience the bug before we report it. I use the 
3D Touch a lot in the notification section, and I have not noticed this 
problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But it might be app specific. So 
before you go reporting something based on what you read, you might want to try 
it and see for yourself.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:


hi.


please, Let's go All report this serious issue to apple.


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• Behavior of Shortcut Menus triggered on app icons by 3D Touch is unreliable. 
Things appear to work as expected if, after triggering the 3D Touch menu,
you keep your finger pressed to the screen and drag to locate a menu item by 
touch or perform a very distinct swipe gesture to move VoiceOver focus. However,
anything else (such as lifting your finger and then trying to locate a menu 
item by touch) may result in one of the menu items being triggered with no
input from you.
list end

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New Accessibility-Related Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.3

[Mário Gabriel]

hi.


please, Let's go All report this serious issue to apple.


list of 1 items
• Behavior of Shortcut Menus triggered on app icons by 3D Touch is 
unreliable. Things appear to work as expected if, after triggering the 
3D Touch menu,
you keep your finger pressed to the screen and drag to locate a menu 
item by touch or perform a very distinct swipe gesture to move VoiceOver 
focus. However,
anything else (such as lifting your finger and then trying to locate a 
menu item by touch) may result in one of the menu items being triggered 
with no

input from you.
list end

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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes, you are right
There are also issues in the app drive for windows.
On windows I uninstalled the app.
I'll test it on IOS.

cheers.
Às 16:01 de 25/03/2017, Richard Turner escreveu:

Clifton,
I would not go so far as to give them so high a rating on accessibility.
I signed up through your link, and while it is good for accessibility, 
they have some glaring problems.
1. the icon labels. They clearly used custom labels and were unaware 
of VoiceOver when they did so.

Things like "m iccon video red stroke, or something like that.
2. The getting started PDF is not in text.
I ran it through KNFB Reader and it is readable, but something as 
important as that should be fully accessible from the get go.
I just sent feedback to them about that with a copy of the pdf after 
KNFB converted it.
The feedback link is another issue. It shows up even when you cannot 
activate it. I had to go to the menu, several times to get back to a 
place I could actually get the feedback form to show up.
Now, DropBox in its early days had accessibility issues too. So I hope 
they clean up the iOS app.

I will start using them and see how it goes beyond my initial impression.
It does look quite useful beyond those issues.

Thanks for telling us about them.

Richard


On Mar 25, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Alan Lemly > wrote:


The thing that makes Dropbox so appealing in my opinion is its almost 
universal support across all the apps that I use. It pretty much 
eliminates the inconvenience of Apple's closed file system. Can you 
comment on how supported this pCloud system is by listing some apps 
that work with it?


Alan Lemly

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On Mar 25, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Kliphton Miller > wrote:



Here is the correct link to get free space threw a referral.
https://my.pcloud.com/#page=register&invite=JaHlZ4NAdhV

On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Kliphton Miller > wrote:


Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things. 
 And instead of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely 
hate, they used a service called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, 
windows, and android app.  You get 10GB free, and get 1GB up to 
20gb free for referring a friend.  You get upload and download 
traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent accessible on both 
Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I don’t use 
it on either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you 
want to upgrade, and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, 
below is my referral link.  Sign up with it, and we both get a 
free GB.

https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV




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Re: Two questions for those who are using iPhone 7.

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi Sieghard.
No, I'm not using screen protector.
Thank you for your feedback.
Maybe I'll do what you advise me ...
Thanks
Cheers.


Às 22:47 de 20/03/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Hi Mario,

I don't have an iPhone 7, but magnifier as far as I know has the same 
functionality on other phones and for a completely blind user there is as far 
as I know no benefit to using magnifier.

As for your delete key issue, do you have a screen protector? Could it be 
possible there is a small bubble or imperfection where the delete key is which 
causes this behaviour? You may have already tried this, but sometimes even 
cleaning the screen can improve how well touch works and while it's an obvious 
thing and something everybody should do from time to time it is also easily 
forgotten.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Two questions for those who are using iPhone 7.




Hi

For those who are using the iPhone 7.

1. Does the magnified display screen  mode have any kind of benefit to VO?
Or these mode just have diffrence for sight people.

2. Are any of you having issues with the touch virtual keyboard with the delete 
key?
The delete key on my iphone 7 does not work normally in most situations.
Most of the times, I have to give several taps to work.
And it is complicated to focus the VO cursor on the delete key.

Some tips?

thanks.

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Two questions for those who are using iPhone 7.

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi

  For those who are using the iPhone 7.

1. Does the magnified display screen  mode have any kind of benefit to VO?
Or these mode just have diffrence for sight people.

2. Are any of you having issues with the touch virtual keyboard with the 
delete key?

The delete key on my iphone 7 does not work normally in most situations.
Most of the times, I have to give several taps to work.
And it is complicated to focus the VO cursor on the delete key.

Some tips?

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magic keyboard. battery status in iPhone.

[Mário Gabriel]

Can anyone tell me how to see the battery status of my magic keyboard on 
my iPhone?
I tried to use the rutor and headings in the notifications bar, but this 
info is not visible.
I also tried to see the bluetooth settings  and magic keyboard, but 
there is nothing to  about the state of the magic keyboard battery.

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Re: capslock issue?

[Mário Gabriel]

Triple tap does not work for me.
cheers.


Às 21:47 de 13/03/2017, Esther Levegnale escreveu:

hi, Tom, it's a triple tap to put caps lock on then every letter is 
capitalized. It does give the hint when you put your finger on the shift key. I 
hope this helps. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


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I'm guessing here.  Is it double tap and hold the shift key?

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Hi

Can any one of you tell me how to select the capslock to type all the letters 
in uppercase?

This occurs in the touch keyboard on iPhone 7.

In standard mode, and in professional mode.

I can only select the capslock once per letter.
the question is:
How to select the capslock to typing all the letters in upper case.

My keyboard layout is from portugal.

My layout does not have the shift key.

Is this a bug?

Is this also an issue for all?

Some tips?

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Re: capslock issue?

[Mário Gabriel]

yes friend. voice over hints is active.
And they are:

Capslock, and activate.
But each of these actions only works once.

thanks.
cheers.


Às 21:15 de 13/03/2017, Rajmund escreveu:

Hi,
That if you swipe on your caps lock key? Or what if you enable voice over 
hints? Does it say anything additional?



Sent from a Braille Sense

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Hi
The problem is that in my keyboard layout I do not have the shift key.

only capslock.

Thank you friend
Cheers.


as 17:11 de 13/03/2017, rajmund escreveu:

Hi,
Try swiping up on the shift key, then double tap on caps lock, when you hear 
it...




Sent from an iPad Air


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I'm guessing here.  Is it double tap and hold the shift key?

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Hi

Can any one of you tell me how to select the capslock to type all the letters 
in uppercase?

This occurs in the touch keyboard on iPhone 7.

In standard mode, and in professional mode.

I can only select the capslock once per letter.
the question is:
How to select the capslock to typing all the letters in upper case.

My keyboard layout is from portugal.

My layout does not have the shift key.

Is this a bug?

Is this also an issue for all?

Some tips?

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Re: capslock issue?

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi
The shift key does not appear for me ...

And I do not know why.

Double tap and hold does not work.

Thanks friend

cheers.


Às 15:50 de 13/03/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Double tap and hold may work, not sure if it still does. Triple tapping the 
shift key definitely works, after you are done entering your upper case letters 
just double tap it once to turn it off again.


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I'm guessing here.  Is it double tap and hold the shift key?

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Subject: capslock issue?




Hi

Can any one of you tell me how to select the capslock to type all the letters 
in uppercase?

This occurs in the touch keyboard on iPhone 7.

In standard mode, and in professional mode.

I can only select the capslock once per letter.
the question is:
How to select the capslock to typing all the letters in upper case.

My keyboard layout is from portugal.

My layout does not have the shift key.

Is this a bug?

Is this also an issue for all?

Some tips?

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Re: capslock issue?

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi
The problem is that in my keyboard layout I do not have the shift key.

only capslock.

Thank you friend
Cheers.


Às 17:11 de 13/03/2017, rajmund escreveu:

Hi,
Try swiping up on the shift key, then double tap on caps lock, when you hear 
it...




Sent from an iPad Air


On 13 Mar 2017, at 3:13 pm, Tom Rash  wrote:

I'm guessing here.  Is it double tap and hold the shift key?

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Mário Gabriel
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:54 AM
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Subject: capslock issue?




Hi

Can any one of you tell me how to select the capslock to type all the letters 
in uppercase?

This occurs in the touch keyboard on iPhone 7.

In standard mode, and in professional mode.

I can only select the capslock once per letter.
the question is:
How to select the capslock to typing all the letters in upper case.

My keyboard layout is from portugal.

My layout does not have the shift key.

Is this a bug?

Is this also an issue for all?

Some tips?

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capslock issue?

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi

Can any one of you tell me how to select the capslock to type all the 
letters in uppercase?


This occurs in the touch keyboard on iPhone 7.

In standard mode, and in professional mode.

I can only select the capslock once per letter.
the question is:
How to select the capslock to typing all the letters in upper case.

My keyboard layout is from portugal.

My layout does not have the shift key.

Is this a bug?

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Some tips?

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Re: Siri issues

[Mário Gabriel]

Bug.
The solution, is you report the issue here:

accessibil...@apple.com

This is the solution for you and for everyone.



Às 18:49 de 18/02/2017, Marie escreveu:
I would like to know if anyone else has this problem and if so, how do 
you deal with it.
Sometimes after using Siri to ask a question the screen will retain 
the Siri controls and I have a difficult time getting them to go away. 
Neither the home button nor locking and locking the screen works 
consistently. It may take several presses of the home button to clear 
the screen. It is very annoying so if there is a solution, I would 
love to know what it might be. Thanks,

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Re: Problem With Bluetooth Keyboard

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi. This is a bug that apple never solves once for all ...



Às 01:10 de 13/02/2017, MamaPeach escreveu:
I just got the Logitech K480 Bluetooth keyboard and I am having a 
problem. When I enter an edit field to type something, no matter what 
my typing mode is set to on my iPod, all my letters are duplicated? I 
have gone into keyboard/hardware keyboard and I don't see any way to 
fix this. Any ideas. It said it should have had a user namual included 
in the box, but there was not one. Is there something I am not doing 
right? This is totally new to me.

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Re: serious issue in ios 10.2.1 and 10.3 beta. please report.

[Mário Gabriel]

this is for you:


I already did, but we all have to do it .





Às 12:06 de 02/02/2017, Scott Berry escreveu:

You need to report this through the feedback form not here.  Anything you find 
n the beta at this point you need to keep to yourself or you may void the NDA 
agreement.



On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:




Hi
Serious issue in ios 10.2.1
and ios 10.3 beta.
on iPhone 5S and iPad mini 2.

When we are using the VO with a bluethoot keyboard, and we move the percentage 
of brightness on the keyboard, VO stops talking.
You can only hear the navigation sounds.
VO stands  completely unusable.
To solve the issue, the keyboard must be turned off.
This issue does not occur without the bluetooth keyboard.

I've tried several ways to resolve the issue, but without success.

I am using an apple bluetooth keyboard.
If any of you have this issue, report this  to apple.
I already did, but we all have to do it .
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serious issue in ios 10.2.1 and 10.3 beta. please report.

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi
Serious issue in ios 10.2.1
and ios 10.3 beta.
on iPhone 5S and iPad mini 2.

When we are using the VO with a bluethoot keyboard, and we move the 
percentage of brightness on the keyboard, VO stops talking.

You can only hear the navigation sounds.
VO stands  completely unusable.
To solve the issue, the keyboard must be turned off.
This issue does not occur without the bluetooth keyboard.

I've tried several ways to resolve the issue, but without success.

I am using an apple bluetooth keyboard.
If any of you have this issue, report this  to apple.
I already did, but we all have to do it .
cheers.

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Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

[Mário Gabriel]

Pablo take care of you, that I take care of myself.
I know very well what I'm talking about.
Some messages in the group make me laugh. And where is the problem?
Laughing is not insulting
But calling me troll, this is insult.
Do you really think these people are more Educated than I am?
I know very well with  who I'm dealing.
I consider you a friend, but I don't need you give me advices
take care yourself.
cheers.




Às 22:30 de 18/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:


Hi Mario,

I don’t know what is wrong with your system, but I have the last 
iTunes update, and the last jaws 18 update, and yes, the accessibility 
is really good. I recommend that you uninstall iTunes and make sure 
that you are running the last version of Jaws 18. Then reinstall 
iTunes. You might need to download the program again from the apple 
web site.


One more thing Mario that I would like to recommend. I understand your 
frustration, however if you highlight so much over and over , it could 
create a negative impact on your purpose. I think that your purpose is 
that apple improve the accessibility in your devices, right?


Ok, that target was already achieved. A lot of people understood that 
the last IOs have some bugs that affect you as a visual impaired, and 
a lot of people that is no visual impaired. Right here you should be 
happy and relax. If you continue you are going to destroy everything 
that you have achieved.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mário Gabriel

*Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:40 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Apple is not doing their Job???



Man you make me laugh
In my iTunes 12.5.4.latest update, the accessibility enhancements 
that  you talk  simply do not exist.
 Does  Apple like you more than some people in the group who did not 
have the magic of accessibility improvements in their iTunes apps?


Whatever they did, it not worked.
And you know why? Because they did nothing.
Keep dreaming, this is what is happening in your heads.
Sure you still want to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version?

cheers.




Às 23:25 de 17/12/2016, englishride...@gmail.com 
<mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> escreveu:


I also think we need to write to Apple and thank them for the
complete turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version. I
haven't checked on file sharing yet, but managing your iPhone's
content has once more become accessible. Whatever they did, it worked.

Thanks,

Ari


On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Hope Paulos mailto:hope.pau...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Diane. This is well-said. I’ve put off commenting about this
thread because I don’t want to really get involved. Apple is a
huge corperation and if customers don’t come to them with a
problem, they cannot fix it. I work in customer service and
while we deal with irate customers who want their product to
work correctly, we are more likely to listen and respond to
those customers who approach us with kindness and explain the
problem  they experience in detail. In other words, if apple
doesn’t know it’s broken, they can’t fix it. I urge everyone
to write accessibil...@apple.com
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and explain whatever problem
they’re having. I assure you, that in time, apple will indeed
fix the problem.

Hope Paulos

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Dianne Phelps
*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 6:06 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Apple is not doing their Job???

I have bitten my writing tongue for some time since IOS 10
came out. I don’t know where the moderators are for this list;
but this topic needs a healthy and fast stop.

Apple is not the only corporation making changes to software
which either change or make more difficult our use of the
technology we have come to depend upon. AVG has now become
incompatible with JAWS for version 18. I went to download the
new version the other night, and it locked up my tablet to the
point where I had to make a mad dash to see my computer guys
at Staples to help me dig it out.

The fact is software always comes out with bugs. I didn’t
understand that in the beginning of the whole computer
revolution, and I still don’t; however, this is the way it is.
As consumers, we must act accordingly. We can either find
work-arounds, change devices or wait for the next update.
Whining about it isn’t going to make it be fixed any faster,
and approaching the manufactures and wr

Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

[Mário Gabriel]

  Dear alia. if I'm a troll, on your side, I'm a minor troll! Lol.

Às 19:30 de 18/12/2016, alia robinson escreveu:

I don’t know what your deal is, but it obviously goes deeper than your 
dissatisfaction with apple. your continuing negativity and anger are not 
helpful *at* all, and your attitude is ridiculous. you are now simply a troll.

On Dec 18, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:

 






Man you make me laugh
In my iTunes 12.5.4.latest update, the accessibility enhancements that  you 
talk  simply do not exist.
  Does  Apple like you more than some people in the group who did not have the 
magic of accessibility improvements in their iTunes apps?

Whatever they did, it not worked.
And you know why? Because they did nothing.
Keep dreaming, this is what is happening in your heads.
Sure you still want to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version?
cheers.







Às 23:25 de 17/12/2016, englishride...@gmail.com escreveu:

I also think we need to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version. I haven't checked on file 
sharing yet, but managing your iPhone's content has once more become 
accessible. Whatever they did, it worked.


Thanks,
Ari

On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Hope Paulos  wrote:


Diane. This is well-said. I’ve put off commenting about this thread because I 
don’t want to really get involved. Apple is a huge corperation and if customers 
don’t come to them with a problem, they cannot fix it. I work in customer 
service and while we deal with irate customers who want their product to work 
correctly, we are more likely to listen and respond to those customers who 
approach us with kindness and explain the problem  they experience in detail. 
In other words, if apple doesn’t know it’s broken, they can’t fix it. I urge 
everyone to write accessibil...@apple.com and explain whatever problem they’re 
having. I assure you, that in time, apple will indeed fix the problem.
  
Hope Paulos
  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps

Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple is not doing their Job???
  
I have bitten my writing tongue for some time since IOS 10 came out. I don’t know where the moderators are for this list; but this topic needs a healthy and fast stop.
  
Apple is not the only corporation making changes to software which either change or make more difficult our use of the technology we have come to depend upon. AVG has now become incompatible with JAWS for version 18. I went to download the new version the other night, and it locked up my tablet to the point where I had to make a mad dash to see my computer guys at Staples to help me dig it out.
  
The fact is software always comes out with bugs. I didn’t understand that in the beginning of the whole computer revolution, and I still don’t; however, this is the way it is. As consumers, we must act accordingly. We can either find work-arounds, change devices or wait for the next update. Whining about it isn’t going to make it be fixed any faster, and approaching the manufactures and writers of software with the negative tone I have seen by some on this list won’t get anything done faster and might even curtail Apple’s willingness to work at any of this.
  
Furthermore, turning this into a racial discrimination matter is just beyond ridiculous. STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!
  
This list and its members just aren’t like that, and bringing that issue into the discussion here is appalling .
  
We are all facing problems as technology changes, and all I can think of is that we have way more than some of us had when growing up. People who want things to change could study and major in computer programming and engineering and work in the field as so many, including some on this list have done. Having intelligent conversations with tech support, offering suggestions might help. But, the vitriol won’t get us anywhere.
  
I am sorry to get upon my 67-year-old high horse, but knock it off right now! Do something positive to help the situation rather than wasting time whining and complaining.
  
Annoyed with this nonsense,
  
Dianne and Hibiscus

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Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

[Mário Gabriel]

Man you make me laugh
In my iTunes 12.5.4.latest update, the accessibility enhancements that  
you talk  simply do not exist.
 Does  Apple like you more than some people in the group who did not 
have the magic of accessibility improvements in their iTunes apps?


Whatever they did, it not worked.
And you know why? Because they did nothing.
Keep dreaming, this is what is happening in your heads.
Sure you still want to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version?

cheers.






Às 23:25 de 17/12/2016, englishride...@gmail.com escreveu:
I also think we need to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version. I haven't checked 
on file sharing yet, but managing your iPhone's content has once more 
become accessible. Whatever they did, it worked.



Thanks,
Ari

On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Hope Paulos > wrote:


Diane. This is well-said. I’ve put off commenting about this thread 
because I don’t want to really get involved. Apple is a huge 
corperation and if customers don’t come to them with a problem, they 
cannot fix it. I work in customer service and while we deal with 
irate customers who want their product to work correctly, we are more 
likely to listen and respond to those customers who approach us with 
kindness and explain the problem  they experience in detail. In other 
words, if apple doesn’t know it’s broken, they can’t fix it. I urge 
everyone to write accessibil...@apple.com 
 and explain whatever problem they’re 
having. I assure you, that in time, apple will indeed fix the problem.


Hope Paulos

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Dianne Phelps

*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 6:06 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Apple is not doing their Job???

I have bitten my writing tongue for some time since IOS 10 came out. 
I don’t know where the moderators are for this list; but this topic 
needs a healthy and fast stop.


Apple is not the only corporation making changes to software which 
either change or make more difficult our use of the technology we 
have come to depend upon. AVG has now become incompatible with JAWS 
for version 18. I went to download the new version the other night, 
and it locked up my tablet to the point where I had to make a mad 
dash to see my computer guys at Staples to help me dig it out.


The fact is software always comes out with bugs. I didn’t understand 
that in the beginning of the whole computer revolution, and I still 
don’t; however, this is the way it is. As consumers, we must act 
accordingly. We can either find work-arounds, change devices or wait 
for the next update. Whining about it isn’t going to make it be fixed 
any faster, and approaching the manufactures and writers of software 
with the negative tone I have seen by some on this list won’t get 
anything done faster and might even curtail Apple’s willingness to 
work at any of this.


Furthermore, turning this into a racial discrimination matter is just 
beyond ridiculous. STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!


This list and its members just aren’t like that, and bringing that 
issue into the discussion here is appalling .


We are all facing problems as technology changes, and all I can think 
of is that we have way more than some of us had when growing up. 
People who want things to change could study and major in computer 
programming and engineering and work in the field as so many, 
including some on this list have done. Having intelligent 
conversations with tech support, offering suggestions might help. 
But, the vitriol won’t get us anywhere.


I am sorry to get upon my 67-year-old high horse, but knock it off 
right now! Do something positive to help the situation rather than 
wasting time whining and complaining.


Annoyed with this nonsense,

Dianne and Hibiscus

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Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Mário Gabriel]

Sorry Pablo.
it was not my intention put you in the same box.
But you can see how they do not value what you write.
You did not write anything or mention anything that now they accuse you ...
You only wrote the truth, but for them it is not worth anything.
Are you seeing Pablo as you are discriminated?
You tried to be fair in your post  but now you're accused of writing 
things you did not write.


It was me who wrote.

topic close.

cheers.


Às 18:32 de 16/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:


Mister Ed.

Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying 
that I am being discriminated or segregated  due to my race?


Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this 
topic, I am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call 
and send emails to them?


Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you 
are showing that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just 
generalizing putting Mario and Me in the same box, it is very similar 
than segregation, and obviously you are doing that due to our race. In 
any email I didn’t say that anybody is discriminating me, or that I 
feel that someone is segregating me because of my race, it is 
something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this topic, 
I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple,  we need 
to call and complain about it.


About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong 
attitude in pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends 
to reduce the noise that people makes about the apple bugs. Again, 
what he is doing is against the accessibility. Against apple, and 
against himself. If we start to minimize the noise of people that is 
complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the problem. He said 
 that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in the list. 
No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here 
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay 
attention to these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about 
fixing bugs, obviously apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs. 
You and everybody here know that we have bunches of bugs in voice over 
for years, and apple never fixed them. It shows lack of interest.


Why they have lack of interest?

Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t 
worry, it is an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the 
noise of people who is being affected for these bugs.


I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to 
apple, he is doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we 
need to make these problems public in the list, we need to make these 
problems visible to the whole community.


Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing. 
Also I suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.


Respectfully,

didn’t

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mr. Ed

*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has 
nothing to do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out 
that all smart phones have their issues. He did not say Apple was the 
best. He was just trying to say that all  software’s have glitches. As 
for Sieghard he is the first one to send an email to Apple support if 
he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else if they have an issue 
with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant by his 
email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and 
over and over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone 
else is having the same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t 
be throwing out the race card.


Mr. Ed

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mário Gabriel

*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet


Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not 
American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this 
group.

I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have 
an opinion and are above them ...

But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.

If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
c

Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Mário Gabriel]

Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this 
group.

I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an 
opinion and are above them ...

But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.

If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
cheers.


Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:


Hi Sieghard

I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I 
said so because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I 
am posting this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 
2  days. Yes it is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot 
say that apple is doing a bad job regarding software updates, and 
specially fixing the problems that their software team are creating 
each IOs update. Mario is right when he says that apple has to be more 
responsible with their customers. I said something similar months ago, 
when I complained about the usability of our phones and the time that 
apple takes to fix bugs, and sometimes they just ignore the bugs and 
release new IOs, with more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your attitude 
shows a strong position in favor of apple, and you feel like ignoring 
what is wrong. Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your 
attitude defending apple when they are no fixing the bugs is going to 
fix apple in the future. Your attitude is hurting the accessibility 
and hurting apple too. You are defending a company that in the past 
had a very good attitude with the software  and with the bugs  
unrepaired of software. You are defending them when they are no doing 
a good job. I posted those links, no talking about android or 
blackberry, those web pages are talking about the same point that we 
have been talking in the list these las 2 days. Bugs, and bad quality 
of software. The android developers are going to fix those problems?


No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to fix 
this problems?


Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these problems, 
they are more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs, than fixing 
the bugs of those new fancy releases.


Who is going to fix these problems?

We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to do 
a lot of noise because we are paying their checks with the products 
that we are buying. It is how market works.


In the last emails  I have said, several times that liking or not. 
Voiceover is the best choice for us. I am not saying that android 
accessibility is better, no I didn’t said that. Read those emails and 
you will see what is my position about it. I am not saying that Mario 
and many others are wrong, no. They are right, apple is no doing a 
good job with the software. But it doesn’t mean that I am saying that 
apple bs, as you said.


I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that.

However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of just 
highlight the good things, are not going to improve the quality of 
apple software. Calling, writing, making noise is what is going to 
improve the software quality. I rather to write, to call, to make 
noise. I rather to complain to apple about their low quality. Because 
I am living in The United States where I have the right to complain 
about this kind of things when I paid for that. I am using my right. 
More over this right improves quality and it is what apple and 
customer’s needs. No just saying that whoever said something that you 
don’t like about  apple, are wrong.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:12 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

Pablo and others,

You can find bunches of articles on anything on Google. I could send 
you 50 links of articles which praise Apple and iOS to high heaven, 
then I can send you just as many that are the complete opposite and 
the same applies to Google/Android. I can probably even find you some 
die-hard Blackberry fans who are posting that Blackberry is the best 
ever and both iOS and Android are complete BS. I don't think we have 
to get into what is better or if iOS is any good or anything like 
that. The point is that this is an iOS list, we are all here because 
we use iOS devices due to their very good level of accessibility. We 
all know there are bugs and that there always will be bugs. We all  
know that Apple with iOS, Mac OS, TVOS and Watch OS don't have an 
exclusive on them, Android has them, Windows has t

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi Pablo
very well said.
I completely agree with you.
If I were sighted,  I would never use anything from apple.
Would certainly use android with the best phone in the world at the 
moment. The galaxy S7.

But as I am total blind I have to use apple because of accessibility.
I hope soon google team and talkback will make me forget Apple completely.
cheers.


Às 11:06 de 14/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:

Sorry, but it sound very similar than forcing you. Through stress, through 
making you tired of those announcements, and many other ways. It is forcing 
you, more over if you didn't require tech support, good for you, but if you 
require tech support, mandatory you have to install the last IOs, they don't 
care if that IOs has millions of voice over bugs, you have to install it. So, 
if it is no forcing customers, it looks very similar.
Again, I use iPhone no because I like apple policies, either because I like the 
way how I have my hands tied due to the many limitations that the apple 
platform has. No, I am using iPhone no because of those important things. I use 
iPhone because of the accessibility. Unfortunately I am blind, but for sure if 
I would be sighted, I would have an android phone. I see what my wife is able 
to do using her android phone, and really it looks magic. I am no able to do 
none of them because the limited apple platform.
However, it is what I have right now. No more choices for me. So I have to buy 
apple.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

Hello Pablo,
Thanks for that.  However, I guess I wanted to prove that you can keep things 
on earlier versions, and you're not forced.  It's a first generation air, so 
should take the update fine.  Yes, I have just been keep canceling, but 
everyone can do that.  So I'll say it again, apple tries, but is not forcing 
the updates.Sent from a BrailleNote


  - Original Message -
From: "Pablo C.  Morales" mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

And you still didn't answer me.  Suppose it's time to copy and paste.  Fine by 
me.  This statement is sooo false:
"> >>>> hi Pablo.
  Yes apple forces us to do the update.
  Sooner or later we have to do it." If this was true, how come I'm still on 9 
with the iPad?
Best regards, the big, huge, troll.  :P



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:43 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

  No one is forcing you to install an update.  I have not done so
and don't plan too until the keypad issue is fixed for iphone 7.


  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:37 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

  Guys,
  I was like all of you.  So mad with apple, with the fact that
they breaks accessibility points that were working before and
stop working.  I was so mad because apple force you to install
their IOs version, breaking the accessibility that we need, and
we need to wait months until we are able to use our phone like we
were doing before.  Yes, I was so mad.  I tried android, and I
changed my mind.  Apple is better.
  Android is several towns behind than IOs regarding
accessibility.







  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of regina alvarado
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:03 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:


  mario, call support as Pete suggested.  The more people who call
the more it will be fixed.  If not an option for you, please try
Android.  I have heard it is pretty good, though as with Apple
there are some issues too.  Please call Apple support not email,
and help list traffic by helping not complaining, please.

  Reggie and Lex


  On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Mário Gabriel 
wrote:


  How do you know that apple is looking to it?
  Apple always looks, but never solves ...
  Is that right?

  cheers.

  as 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:
  Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well.  As most
of the numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't have too much
difficulty.  However, if there are prompts involved, the only way
to do this is to swipe to the keypad button and activate it.
  Amy

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda 
wrote:
  Hi Sieghard.
  I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

Someone has to tell you. God, you really are a big Troll.


Às 20:50 de 13/12/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Yes, I do. You said that we're all forced to update. And I'm telling you 
straight up, publicly, that we're not, otherwise how can I still be on IOS9? 
Feel free to insult me, a few of your messages bought the smile on my face, so 
no worries. All's good, indeed.



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:





We are talking about updates on iOS 10 not 9. not new releases.
Do you still want me to tell you something else. please?
cheers.


as 18:23 de 13/12/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
Interesting, my iPad is still happy on 9.3.5. If we truly didn't have a choice, 
how come I'm still on 9, please?



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

  




hi Pablo.
Yes apple forces us to do the update.
Sooner or later we have to do it.



as 16:48 de 13/12/2016, Pablo Cesar Morales escreveu:

Yes, apple force you tu update. If you have an iPhone new, and you have a 
problem and you call apple, they are no going to give you tech support if you 
don't have installed the last IOs release. So apple decline the tech support if 
you don't have installed the last IOs release. Apple by default download the 
IOs and fills your phone memory. Apple make your life hard with hundreds of 
announcemnts saying that the IOs x  is ready to be install.
So, if it is no forcing, looks very similar.
   
   
   
   
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
   
No one is forcing you to install an update.  I have not done so and don't plan too until the keypad issue is fixed for iphone 7.
   
   
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
   
Guys,

I was like all of you. So mad with apple, with the fact that they breaks 
accessibility points that were working before and stop working. I was so mad 
because apple force you to install their IOs version, breaking the 
accessibility that we need, and we need to wait months until we are able to use 
our phone like we were doing before. Yes, I was so mad. I tried android, and I 
changed my mind. Apple is better.
Android is several towns behind than IOs regarding accessibility.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of regina alvarado

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
   
   
mario, call support as Pete suggested. The more people who call the more it will be fixed. If not an option for you, please try Android. I have heard it is pretty good, though as with Apple there are some issues too. Please call Apple support not email, and help list traffic by helping not complaining, please.
   
Reggie and Lex
   


On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:
  
   
How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...
Is that right?
   
cheers.
   
as 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:

Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most of the numbers I 
call are in my contacts, I don't have too much difficulty. However, if there 
are prompts involved, the only way to do this is to swipe to the keypad button 
and activate it.
Amy

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda  wrote:
Hi Sieghard.
I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my friend has a 7 and she 
does have the problem.
   
The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is connected.
   
It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also happens if she goes in to the phone appp and selects the keypad dials the call manually as well.
   
Once the call connects the keypad disappears.
   
She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines and enables the keypad again its probably to late.
   
My phone does not do this at all.
   
Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to answer menu prompts etc.
   
Many people have this issue and many don't.
   
Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why it happens for some and not others.
   
Thanks.
   
Don
   
   
   
On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Don and others,
   
Is this something a lot of people experience? I haven't noticed any difference on my 6S Plus ever

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

We are talking about updates on iOS 10 not 9. not new releases.
Do you still want me to tell you something else. please?
cheers.


Às 18:23 de 13/12/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
Interesting, my iPad is still happy on 9.3.5. If we truly didn't have a choice, 
how come I'm still on 9, please?



Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Mc3a1rio_Gabriel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:



 




hi Pablo.
Yes apple forces us to do the update.
Sooner or later we have to do it.



as 16:48 de 13/12/2016, Pablo Cesar Morales escreveu:

Yes, apple force you tu update. If you have an iPhone new, and you have a 
problem and you call apple, they are no going to give you tech support if you 
don't have installed the last IOs release. So apple decline the tech support if 
you don't have installed the last IOs release. Apple by default download the 
IOs and fills your phone memory. Apple make your life hard with hundreds of 
announcemnts saying that the IOs x  is ready to be install.
So, if it is no forcing, looks very similar.
  
  
  
  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
  
No one is forcing you to install an update.  I have not done so and don't plan too until the keypad issue is fixed for iphone 7.
  
  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
  
Guys,

I was like all of you. So mad with apple, with the fact that they breaks 
accessibility points that were working before and stop working. I was so mad 
because apple force you to install their IOs version, breaking the 
accessibility that we need, and we need to wait months until we are able to use 
our phone like we were doing before. Yes, I was so mad. I tried android, and I 
changed my mind. Apple is better.
Android is several towns behind than IOs regarding accessibility.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of regina alvarado

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
  
  
mario, call support as Pete suggested. The more people who call the more it will be fixed. If not an option for you, please try Android. I have heard it is pretty good, though as with Apple there are some issues too. Please call Apple support not email, and help list traffic by helping not complaining, please.
  
Reggie and Lex
  


On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:
 
  
How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...
Is that right?
  
cheers.
  
as 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:

Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most of the numbers I 
call are in my contacts, I don't have too much difficulty. However, if there 
are prompts involved, the only way to do this is to swipe to the keypad button 
and activate it.
Amy

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda  wrote:
Hi Sieghard.
I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my friend has a 7 and she 
does have the problem.
  
The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is connected.
  
It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also happens if she goes in to the phone appp and selects the keypad dials the call manually as well.
  
Once the call connects the keypad disappears.
  
She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines and enables the keypad again its probably to late.
  
My phone does not do this at all.
  
Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to answer menu prompts etc.
  
Many people have this issue and many don't.
  
Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why it happens for some and not others.
  
Thanks.
  
Don
  
  
  
On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Don and others,
  
Is this something a lot of people experience? I haven't noticed any difference on my 6S Plus ever since I started using iOS 10, I am not using the current 10.2 beta so unless it's a problem here, what is exactly the issue?

When I make or receive a call I may have to tap to bring up the keypad, but 
that has always been the case at times, but most of the time the keypad is 
there and I actually have to hide it if I want access to any of the other 
buttons.
  
Regards,

Sieghard
  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
To: VIPhone google group 
Subject: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:
  
I supposeits to soon to tell but I am 

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

If you do not appreciate my language, do not eat.
I'm not here to please you.

I did not talk with  you.
Put yourself in your place


Às 17:28 de 13/12/2016, Anthony Vece escreveu:

I don't appreciate your language either Mario. it's not nice

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 13, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Mr. Ed <mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:



Hi Mario,

You write this email complaining about Apple not fixing things. I 
would like to ask you a question. How many times have you emailed or 
talked to Apple support on issues you are having. I would be willing 
to bet you are a whiner and complainer about a lot of other things 
but you don’t try and solve any of them. If you have contacted Apple 
support many times to report issues then I apologize to you. If you 
have not reported any issues and you are so unhappy with Apple then 
why don’t you get an Android phone?


So by whining and complaining is never going to solve anything. So 
either email Apple support or call them and tell them in a nice way 
what the issue is. Otherwise what good does it do to send an email to 
this group whining and complaining. Nothing is perfect in this world.


Mr. Ed

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mário Gabriel

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:02 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

Thanks friend
Someone had to say it.
It's time to revolt against the irresponsibility Apple has been 
having in recent years.

Patience also runs out.
And mine is long gone.
note:
I do not respond to fan boys' replies.

It's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
cheers.

Às 13:40 de 13/12/2016, Devin Prater escreveu:

Totally right, Mario.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:06 AM Mário Gabriel
mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:

How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?

cheers.

Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:

Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As
most of the numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't
have too much difficulty. However, if there are prompts
involved, the only way to do this is to swipe to the
keypad button and activate it.
Amy


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda
mailto:don.br...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but
my friend has a 7 and she does have the problem.

The problem is that the keypad disappears once the
call is connected.

It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it
also happens if she goes in to the phone appp and
selects the keypad dials the call manually as well.

Once the call connects the keypad disappears.

She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she
fines and enables the keypad again its probably to late.

My phone does not do this at all.

Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones
to answer menu prompts etc.

Many people have this issue and many don't.

Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know
why it happens for some and not others.

Thanks.

Don

On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I
haven't noticed any difference on my 6S Plus ever
since I started using iOS 10, I am not using the
current 10.2 beta so unless it's a problem here,
what is exactly the issue?

When I make or receive a call I may have to tap
to bring up the keypad, but that has always been
the case at times, but most of the time the
keypad is there and I actually have to hide it if
I want access to any of the other buttons.

Regards,

Sieghard

**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of
*Don Breda
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* VIPhone google group

<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
 

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi Pablo
Yes I know VO is still the best screen reader in the world  for devices.
And that the apple platform is also the most accessible.

Yes, I prefer issues with accessibility than  without accessibility.
Yes, I also know all the talkback issues on android, and everything else 
you can talk about.
But all this does not take away my rights to want more and demand what 
normal people demand ...


We can not stay all the time saying amen to all the good that apple has 
done in the past and now it does bad in the present.

I have my rights and always fight for them.
And my rights have to be respected by apple as well as apple respects 
the rights of normal people.

Apple has to work for me as an obligation and respect as a duty.
Apple can not think that it works for me as if it were doing me a favor.
I paid a small fortune to have a phone, and because Apple says on their 
official accessibility website that their devices are 100 percent 
accessible and can be used with total satisfaction.

And this is not true.
The issues of accessibility have to have the same commitment that apple 
has with normal people.

I am being discriminated and I have to fight for my rights.
And that's what we should all do.
cheers.


Às 16:44 de 13/12/2016, Pablo Cesar Morales escreveu:


Mario,

I understand you very well. Months ago, I was so mad. Months ago I was 
in the list so mad about the ssame issues that you are talking about. 
However, I tried android, and I learned that if IOs is no perfect, it 
is better than android regarding accessibility.


IOs is no working well, apple broke the accessibility that was working 
before, apple is affecting you because you are no able to use your 
device in the way how you should. Yes, all of these are true.


But the accessibility on android is no like the accessibility in IOs. 
My suggestion is that you get relax, and write an email with all the 
points how IOs is affecting you with this update. If they don’t heard 
you, they are no going to fix anything. Android has fixed some of the 
accessibility issues in the last 5 yeears?


No, and they have improved accessibility  very little in the last 
android updates.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mário Gabriel

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:27 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:


don't   be fullish.
What do you think I've been doing?
What do you think we've all done?
Do you think we were rewarded for it?
And you, have done your part?
come on girl, open your eyes.
cheers.

Às 16:03 de 13/12/2016, regina alvarado escreveu:

mario, call support as Pete suggested. The more people who call
the more it will be fixed. If not an option for you, please try
Android. I have heard it is pretty good, though as with Apple
there are some issues too. Please call Apple support not email,
and help list traffic by helping not complaining, please.

Reggie and Lex


On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Mário Gabriel mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:

How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?

cheers.

Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:

Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most
of the numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't have too
much difficulty. However, if there are prompts involved, the
only way to do this is to swipe to the keypad button and
activate it.
Amy


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda mailto:don.br...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my
friend has a 7 and she does have the problem.

The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is
connected.

It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also
happens if she goes in to the phone appp and selects the
keypad dials the call manually as well.

Once the call connects the keypad disappears.

She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines
and enables the keypad again its probably to late.

My phone does not do this at all.

Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to
answer menu prompts etc.

Many people have this issue and many don't.

Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why
it happens for some and not others.

Thanks.

Don

On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I
haven't noticed any difference on my 6S Plus ever
since I started

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

Man, why do you think I'm so mad  and furious.

I ask you the same question that you ask me.
How many times have you emailed or talked to Apple

Do you think I'm going to spend my life reporting issues and never 
seeing them resolved?

you like it?
cheers.


Às 16:57 de 13/12/2016, Mr. Ed escreveu:


Hi Mario,

You write this email complaining about Apple not fixing things. I 
would like to ask you a question. How many times have you emailed or 
talked to Apple support on issues you are having. I would be willing 
to bet you are a whiner and complainer about a lot of other things but 
you don’t try and solve any of them. If you have contacted Apple 
support many times to report issues then I apologize to you. If you 
have not reported any issues and you are so unhappy with Apple then 
why don’t you get an Android phone?


So by whining and complaining is never going to solve anything. So 
either email Apple support or call them and tell them in a nice way 
what the issue is. Otherwise what good does it do to send an email to 
this group whining and complaining. Nothing is perfect in this world.


Mr. Ed

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mário Gabriel

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:02 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

Thanks friend
Someone had to say it.
It's time to revolt against the irresponsibility Apple has been having 
in recent years.

Patience also runs out.
And mine is long gone.
note:
I do not respond to fan boys' replies.

It's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
cheers.

Às 13:40 de 13/12/2016, Devin Prater escreveu:

Totally right, Mario.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:06 AM Mário Gabriel mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:

How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?

cheers.

Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:

Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As
most of the numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't
have too much difficulty. However, if there are prompts
involved, the only way to do this is to swipe to the
keypad button and activate it.
Amy


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda
mailto:don.br...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but
my friend has a 7 and she does have the problem.

The problem is that the keypad disappears once the
call is connected.

It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it
also happens if she goes in to the phone appp and
selects the keypad dials the call manually as well.

Once the call connects the keypad disappears.

She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she
fines and enables the keypad again its probably to late.

My phone does not do this at all.

Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to
answer menu prompts etc.

Many people have this issue and many don't.

Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know
why it happens for some and not others.

Thanks.

Don

On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I
haven't noticed any difference on my 6S Plus ever
since I started using iOS 10, I am not using the
current 10.2 beta so unless it's a problem here,
what is exactly the issue?

When I make or receive a call I may have to tap to
bring up the keypad, but that has always been the
case at times, but most of the time the keypad is
there and I actually have to hide it if I want
access to any of the other buttons.

Regards,

Sieghard

**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of
*Don Breda
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* VIPhone google group

<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

I supposeits to soon to tell but I am wondering if
 

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

hi Pablo.

Yes apple forces us to do the update.
Sooner or later we have to do it.


Às 16:48 de 13/12/2016, Pablo Cesar Morales escreveu:


Yes, apple force you tu update. If you have an iPhone new, and you 
have a problem and you call apple, they are no going to give you tech 
support if you don’t have installed the last IOs release. So apple 
decline the tech support if you don’t have installed the last IOs 
release. Apple by default download the IOs and fills your phone 
memory. Apple make your life hard with hundreds of announcemnts saying 
that the IOs x  is ready to be install.


So, if it is no forcing, looks very similar.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:43 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

No one is forcing you to install an update.  I have not done so and 
don’t plan too until the keypad issue is fixed for iphone 7.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:37 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

Guys,

I was like all of you. So mad with apple, with the fact that they 
breaks accessibility points that were working before and stop working. 
I was so mad because apple force you to install their IOs version, 
breaking the accessibility that we need, and we need to wait months 
until we are able to use our phone like we were doing before. Yes, I 
was so mad. I tried android, and I changed my mind. Apple is better.


Android is several towns behind than IOs regarding accessibility.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *regina alvarado

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:03 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

mario, call support as Pete suggested. The more people who call the 
more it will be fixed. If not an option for you, please try Android. I 
have heard it is pretty good, though as with Apple there are some 
issues too. Please call Apple support not email, and help list traffic 
by helping not complaining, please.


Reggie and Lex


On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:


How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?

cheers.

Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:

Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most of
the numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't have too much
difficulty. However, if there are prompts involved, the only way
to do this is to swipe to the keypad button and activate it.
Amy


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda mailto:don.br...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my friend
has a 7 and she does have the problem.

The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is
connected.

It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also
happens if she goes in to the phone appp and selects the
keypad dials the call manually as well.

Once the call connects the keypad disappears.

She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines and
enables the keypad again its probably to late.

My phone does not do this at all.

Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to answer
menu prompts etc.

Many people have this issue and many don't.

Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why it
happens for some and not others.

Thanks.

Don

On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I haven't
noticed any difference on my 6S Plus ever since I started
using iOS 10, I am not using the current 10.2 beta so
unless it's a problem here, what is exactly the issue?

When I make or receive a call I may have to tap to bring
up the keypad, but that has always been the case at times,
but most of the time the keypad is there and I actually
have to hide it if I want access to any of the other buttons.

Regards,

Sieghard

**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Don Breda
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* VIPhone google group 
  

Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi Richard.
you wrote:
So, apparently Mario, you discount all the great accessibility Apple has 
put into the iDevices because a few things do not work correctly?


of course not.
Just because it does not solve them as it should.

Do you like to stay without using your phone with the satisfaction that 
you should have like the normovisual people?

Do you like spending months and years  with the same issues on your phone?
Do you like to report issues to apple and then do not see them fixed?
Please tell me what you like more because I have nothing else to tell you.
cheers.


Às 16:33 de 13/12/2016, Richard Turner escreveu:


So, apparently Mario, you discount all the great accessibility Apple 
has put into the iDevices because a few things don't work correctly?
If I took that approach to everything, I would still be using a manual 
typewriter and braille writer and only sending letters through the 
standard mail.
I continually give Apple feedback on things that need fixing or 
improving, but I also thank them for all the great stuff they have done.
You are welcome to your opinion, but don't act like if someone has a 
different opinion they are stupid or not doing their part.




“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:





don't   be fullish.
What do you think I've been doing?
What do you think we've all done?
Do you think we were rewarded for it?
And you, have done your part?
come on girl, open your eyes.
cheers.


Às 16:03 de 13/12/2016, regina alvarado escreveu:


mario, call support as Pete suggested. The more people who call the 
more it will be fixed. If not an option for you, please try Android. 
I have heard it is pretty good, though as with Apple there are some 
issues too. Please call Apple support not email, and help list 
traffic by helping not complaining, please.



Reggie and Lex


On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:




How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?


cheers.


Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:
Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most of 
the numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't have too much 
difficulty. However, if there are prompts involved, the only way to 
do this is to swipe to the keypad button and activate it.

Amy


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda <mailto:don.br...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my friend has 
a 7 and she does have the problem.



The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is connected.


It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also happens 
if she goes in to the phone appp and selects the keypad dials the 
call manually as well.



Once the call connects the keypad disappears.


She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines and 
enables the keypad again its probably to late.



My phone does not do this at all.


Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to answer menu 
prompts etc.



Many people have this issue and many don't.


Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why it 
happens for some and not others.



Thanks.


Don




On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I haven't noticed 
any difference on my 6S Plus ever since I started using iOS 10, I 
am not using the current 10.2 beta so unless it's a problem here, 
what is exactly the issue?


When I make or receive a call I may have to tap to bring up the 
keypad, but that has always been the case at times, but most of 
the time the keypad is there and I actually have to hide it if I 
want access to any of the other buttons.


Regards,

Sieghard

**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Don Breda

*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* VIPhone google group 
*Subject:* IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

I supposeits to soon to tell but I am wondering if the issue 
where the keypad disappears on a phone call when it shouldn't has 
been resolved?


This is an issue appple is aware of but I suspect they haven't 
nailed it down yet so not getting my hopes up.


Don

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Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

don't   be fullish.
What do you think I've been doing?
What do you think we've all done?
Do you think we were rewarded for it?
And you, have done your part?
come on girl, open your eyes.
cheers.


Às 16:03 de 13/12/2016, regina alvarado escreveu:


mario, call support as Pete suggested. The more people who call the 
more it will be fixed. If not an option for you, please try Android. I 
have heard it is pretty good, though as with Apple there are some 
issues too. Please call Apple support not email, and help list traffic 
by helping not complaining, please.



Reggie and Lex


On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:




How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?


cheers.


Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:
Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most of the 
numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't have too much difficulty. 
However, if there are prompts involved, the only way to do this is to 
swipe to the keypad button and activate it.

Amy


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda <mailto:don.br...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my friend has a 
7 and she does have the problem.



The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is connected.


It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also happens if 
she goes in to the phone appp and selects the keypad dials the call 
manually as well.



Once the call connects the keypad disappears.


She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines and 
enables the keypad again its probably to late.



My phone does not do this at all.


Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to answer menu 
prompts etc.



Many people have this issue and many don't.


Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why it happens 
for some and not others.



Thanks.


Don




On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I haven't noticed any 
difference on my 6S Plus ever since I started using iOS 10, I am 
not using the current 10.2 beta so unless it's a problem here, what 
is exactly the issue?


When I make or receive a call I may have to tap to bring up the 
keypad, but that has always been the case at times, but most of the 
time the keypad is there and I actually have to hide it if I want 
access to any of the other buttons.


Regards,

Sieghard

**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Don Breda

*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* VIPhone google group 
*Subject:* IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

I supposeits to soon to tell but I am wondering if the issue where 
the keypad disappears on a phone call when it shouldn't has been 
resolved?


This is an issue appple is aware of but I suspect they haven't 
nailed it down yet so not getting my hopes up.


Don

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Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

Thanks friend
Someone had to say it.
It's time to revolt against the irresponsibility Apple has been having 
in recent years.

Patience also runs out.
And mine is long gone.
note:
I do not respond to fan boys' replies.

It's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
cheers.


Às 13:40 de 13/12/2016, Devin Prater escreveu:

Totally right, Mario.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:06 AM Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:




How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?


cheers.


Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:

Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most of
the numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't have too much
difficulty. However, if there are prompts involved, the only way
to do this is to swipe to the keypad button and activate it.
Amy


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda mailto:don.br...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my friend
has a 7 and she does have the problem.


The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is
connected.


It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also happens
if she goes in to the phone appp and selects the keypad dials
the call manually as well.


Once the call connects the keypad disappears.


She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines and
enables the keypad again its probably to late.


My phone does not do this at all.


Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to answer
menu prompts etc.


Many people have this issue and many don't.


Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why it
happens for some and not others.


Thanks.


Don




On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I haven't noticed
any difference on my 6S Plus ever since I started using iOS 10,
I am not using the current 10.2 beta so unless it's a problem
here, what is exactly the issue?

When I make or receive a call I may have to tap to bring up the
keypad, but that has always been the case at times, but most of
the time the keypad is there and I actually have to hide it if
I want access to any of the other buttons.

Regards,

Sieghard

**

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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Don Breda
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* VIPhone google group 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

I supposeits to soon to tell but I am wondering if the issue
where the keypad disappears on a phone call when it shouldn't
has been resolved?

This is an issue appple is aware of but I suspect they haven't
nailed it down yet so not getting my hopes up.

Don

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Re: IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

[Mário Gabriel]

How do you know that apple is looking to it?

Apple always looks, but never solves ...

Is that right?


cheers.


Às 11:43 de 13/12/2016, Amy Ruell escreveu:
Hello all, I see the behavior on my iPhone 7 as well. As most of the 
numbers I call are in my contacts, I don't have too much difficulty. 
However, if there are prompts involved, the only way to do this is to 
swipe to the keypad button and activate it.

Amy


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Don Breda > wrote:



Hi Sieghard.

I don't have the problem at all on my iPhone 6 s but my friend has a 
7 and she does have the problem.



The problem is that the keypad disappears once the call is connected.


It happens if she uses Siri to make the call and it also happens if 
she goes in to the phone appp and selects the keypad dials the call 
manually as well.



Once the call connects the keypad disappears.


She is not a good iPhoneuser yet and by the time she fines and 
enables the keypad again its probably to late.



My phone does not do this at all.


Its frustrating when you need to tenter touch tones to answer menu 
prompts etc.



Many people have this issue and many don't.


Apple is looking in to it but I don't think they know why it happens 
for some and not others.



Thanks.


Don




On 12-Dec-16 3:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Don and others,

Is this something a lot of people experience? I haven't noticed any 
difference on my 6S Plus ever since I started using iOS 10, I am not 
using the current 10.2 beta so unless it's a problem here, what is 
exactly the issue?


When I make or receive a call I may have to tap to bring up the 
keypad, but that has always been the case at times, but most of the 
time the keypad is there and I actually have to hide it if I want 
access to any of the other buttons.


Regards,

Sieghard

**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Don Breda

*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* VIPhone google group 
*Subject:* IOS 10.2 and phone keypad issues:

I supposeits to soon to tell but I am wondering if the issue where 
the keypad disappears on a phone call when it shouldn't has been 
resolved?


This is an issue appple is aware of but I suspect they haven't 
nailed it down yet so not getting my hopes up.


Don

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Re: Apple Releases iOS 10.2; Bringing Fixes, But Also Some New Bugs for VoiceOver and Focus Braille Display Users

[Mário Gabriel]

Thank you

Oh my God.
This is going to be a bomb for the millions of people who expected this 
issue to be fixed.

And I am one of them.
Apple, I hate you.
Apple sucks


Às 20:25 de 12/12/2016, Davy Cuppens escreveu:

Hi
No they have not.
Regards
Davy
*From:* Mário Gabriel <mailto:mario@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 8:57 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Releases iOS 10.2; Bringing Fixes, But Also Some 
New Bugs for VoiceOver and Focus Braille Display Users



Now what I want to know is if the battery issues have been resolved.

That's all that matters to me.

please give feedback.

cheers.

I just hope my battery has improved.


Às 19:12 de 12/12/2016, Mary Otten escreveu:
Apple Releases iOS 10.2; Bringing Fixes, But Also Some New Bugs for 
VoiceOver and Focus Braille Display Users
AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products 
...  /  AppleVis


Apple has today released iOS 10.2 to the public.

For blind and low vision users, our limited testing suggests that 
Apple has made continued progress towards addressing the 
accessibility bugs present in iOS 10 
<http://www.applevis.com/bugs/ios/active>. However, despite this 
progress, our testing also suggests that a number of accessibility 
bugs have been introduced in this release—one of which we believe to 
be potentially critical for those who use the Focus line of braille 
displays. Thus, if you have not already updated your device to iOS 
10.2, we strongly recommend that you read this post and any comments 
below before doing so.


As we always stress in these posts, it is impossible for us to test 
all devices, apps, and use cases. With this and the fact that the 
first version of iOS 10 introduced a number of bugs which were not 
common to all users and use cases, it is very likely that there are 
changes, regressions or improvements that we are not aware of at the 
time of posting. With this in mind, we would greatly appreciate your 
help in ensuring that the information on this page is as complete and 
accurate as possible. If you spot any accessibility-related changes 
in iOS 10.2, please do let us know in the comments.



  Accessibility Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.2

  * Users of the Freedom Scientific Focus line of braille displays
may experience issues pairing their display with devices running
iOS 10.2. The information we have available to us suggests that
this issue primarily affects users who attempt to re-pair a Focus
display which has previously been un-paired from the same iOS
device, although in our testing it was also impossible to pair a
Focus display for the first time when running iOS 10.2. It is our
understanding that Focus displays paired before updating to iOS
10.2 should continue to work correctly. This issue was apparently
discovered very late in the beta cycle, and Apple has assured us
that a fix is in the works and will be released in the near
future. In the meantime, we recommend that you do not upgrade to
iOS 10.2 if you use a Focus braille display and have a use case
which may require you to un-pair and re-pair the display, or if
you may need to pair a Focus display for the first time before
Apple releases a fix. At the time of posting, we believe that the
Focus line of displays are the only displays affected by this
issue; in addition to the Focus 14 Blue and Focus 40 Blue, the
models we were able to test under iOS 10.2 include the Braille
Edge, Braille Sense, Refreshabraille, VarioUltra, and Brailliant.
  * When opening a message in the Mail app, VoiceOver focus is no
longer automatically placed in the body of the message. To find
the body of the message, the user must either swipe or explore by
touch. It is our understanding that this change is not by design,
and that we should expect to see this revert back to the previous
behavior in a future iOS release.
  * The VoiceOver rotor no longer consistently switches to the
'Actions' rotor item when VoiceOver focus lands on an element
which has actions available.
  * In certain situations, VoiceOver will randomly speak the contents
of previous notifications which do not appear onscreen visually.
This issue does not occur consistently, and the notifications are
no longer spoken once speech is stopped or focus is moved to
another element.


  Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 10.2

  * It is once again possible to navigate by character when in a text
field on a web page.
  * Enhanced Quality voices no longer occasionally revert to their
compact variants.
  * The Enhanced Quality Siri voices are once again available for use
with VoiceOver in all use cases.
  * It is now possible to manage shared access in the Home app using
VoiceOver.
  * VoiceOver now correctly announces the status of the Love and
   

Re: Apple Releases iOS 10.2; Bringing Fixes, But Also Some New Bugs for VoiceOver and Focus Braille Display Users

[Mário Gabriel]

Now what I want to know is if the battery issues have been resolved.

That's all that matters to me.

please give feedback.

cheers.

I just hope my battery has improved.



Às 19:12 de 12/12/2016, Mary Otten escreveu:
Apple Releases iOS 10.2; Bringing Fixes, But Also Some New Bugs for 
VoiceOver and Focus Braille Display Users
AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products 
...  /  AppleVis


Apple has today released iOS 10.2 to the public.

For blind and low vision users, our limited testing suggests that 
Apple has made continued progress towards addressing the accessibility 
bugs present in iOS 10 . 
However, despite this progress, our testing also suggests that a 
number of accessibility bugs have been introduced in this release—one 
of which we believe to be potentially critical for those who use the 
Focus line of braille displays. Thus, if you have not already updated 
your device to iOS 10.2, we strongly recommend that you read this post 
and any comments below before doing so.


As we always stress in these posts, it is impossible for us to test 
all devices, apps, and use cases. With this and the fact that the 
first version of iOS 10 introduced a number of bugs which were not 
common to all users and use cases, it is very likely that there are 
changes, regressions or improvements that we are not aware of at the 
time of posting. With this in mind, we would greatly appreciate your 
help in ensuring that the information on this page is as complete and 
accurate as possible. If you spot any accessibility-related changes in 
iOS 10.2, please do let us know in the comments.



  Accessibility Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.2

  * Users of the Freedom Scientific Focus line of braille displays may
experience issues pairing their display with devices running iOS
10.2. The information we have available to us suggests that this
issue primarily affects users who attempt to re-pair a Focus
display which has previously been un-paired from the same iOS
device, although in our testing it was also impossible to pair a
Focus display for the first time when running iOS 10.2. It is our
understanding that Focus displays paired before updating to iOS
10.2 should continue to work correctly. This issue was apparently
discovered very late in the beta cycle, and Apple has assured us
that a fix is in the works and will be released in the near
future. In the meantime, we recommend that you do not upgrade to
iOS 10.2 if you use a Focus braille display and have a use case
which may require you to un-pair and re-pair the display, or if
you may need to pair a Focus display for the first time before
Apple releases a fix. At the time of posting, we believe that the
Focus line of displays are the only displays affected by this
issue; in addition to the Focus 14 Blue and Focus 40 Blue, the
models we were able to test under iOS 10.2 include the Braille
Edge, Braille Sense, Refreshabraille, VarioUltra, and Brailliant.
  * When opening a message in the Mail app, VoiceOver focus is no
longer automatically placed in the body of the message. To find
the body of the message, the user must either swipe or explore by
touch. It is our understanding that this change is not by design,
and that we should expect to see this revert back to the previous
behavior in a future iOS release.
  * The VoiceOver rotor no longer consistently switches to the
'Actions' rotor item when VoiceOver focus lands on an element
which has actions available.
  * In certain situations, VoiceOver will randomly speak the contents
of previous notifications which do not appear onscreen visually.
This issue does not occur consistently, and the notifications are
no longer spoken once speech is stopped or focus is moved to
another element.


  Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 10.2

  * It is once again possible to navigate by character when in a text
field on a web page.
  * Enhanced Quality voices no longer occasionally revert to their
compact variants.
  * The Enhanced Quality Siri voices are once again available for use
with VoiceOver in all use cases.
  * It is now possible to manage shared access in the Home app using
VoiceOver.
  * VoiceOver now correctly announces the status of the Love and
Dislike buttons in the Music app.
  * VoiceOver now correctly provides feedback on the current selection
status when editing the list of mailboxes / folders in the Mail app.
  * There is no longer a duplicated heading at the top of the 'For
You' tab of the native News app.
  * VoiceOver now behaves as expected when using 3D Touch and the
scrub gesture inside Home Screen folders.
  * VoiceOver rotor actions now work as expected in the 'Up Next'
section of the Music app.
  * VoiceOver now behaves as expected in the Weather app when you have
multiple locations

Re: Sometimes dictation does not announce what it has inserted

[Mário Gabriel]

Yes, It  as you say.
Apple sucks a lot on fixes to VO.
The most Important and serious VO bugs, apple never solves them.
Today came out at 10.2 release  and the list of 12 bugs fixed is a shame.
And now with 4 more new bugs.

Cheers.


Às 18:46 de 12/12/2016, Mary Otten escreveu:

I wonder if anyone has noticed this problem. I first noticed it in voice dream 
reader in the search box. I dictate the text of a title, and voiceover does not 
announce what it inserted, although it did insert something, which I can tell 
by looking in the edit box. It's very consistent about not announcing. I 
thought it was a Voice Dream quirk, until I experienced it in another app this 
morning. Also a search field. So I wonder if there something about search 
field. It works fine in mail. Just curious if anyone else has seen this.
Mary


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latest facebook issue.

[Mário Gabriel]

Hi all
I want to inform you that the latest facebook update has serious issues 
with accessibility in the playback controls on all videos.
vo can not focus and read the playback controls of the videos with touch 
navigation.

This issue only occurs with touch navigation.
With external keyboard everything works normally.
Has anyone encountered this issue?
If yes, please report the issue to facebook team.

thanks.

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Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Mário Gabriel]

Apple never admits its responsibilities ...
The fault is always of others ...
Everyone knows that this accessibility issue in Itunes on windows is the 
responsibility of Apple ...


Steve Jobs, we miss you.

Tim Cook, sucks.

cheers.
Às 16:51 de 22/11/2016, englishride...@gmail.com escreveu:

I was just on the phone with Apple Accessibility yesterday to talk with them 
about the problems for screen reader users when trying to sync music to an 
iDevice with the sync selected artists, albums, and playlists method. The issue 
is that no screen reader I've tried (the latest version of NVDA, JAWS 17, and 
even Narrator) on my Windows 10 machine will read anything in these lists. I 
haven't yet tried (I think it was Marc's suggestion) of using the refresh 
screen feature of JAWS to try to get things reading with it. NVDA's text and 
object review commands don't make it possible to read anything, either. The 
reason I haven't yet tried JAWS 18 is that I only recently received my SMA 
update to version 18, and I haven't yet had a chance to install it. I'll report 
back with more news when I've installed JAWS 18 and tried the screen refresh 
command. By the way, I did all the tests of the screen readers mentioned above 
when the rep was on the phone with me. He said that the issue was with 
Microsoft. I specifically asked him if anything had changed in the latest 
versions of iTunes 12 in terms of the way they programed those lists (after 
all, the lists of the column browser work fine in the main music library) and 
he said that as far as he knew, nothing had changed except the way things were 
arranged in the program, not the underlying structure of the way things were 
made in the program,. I told him it'd be interesting to see if blind users of 
the latest iTunes and Windows 7 were haveing the same issues. A friend of mine 
is running Windows 8 or 8.1. I'll have to check if she's having the same issues 
I'm having. She's also running NVDA. I want to see if this is really a 
Microsoft issues with not presenting things well in Windows 10 to any screen 
readers' or if the issue is with iTunes.

Lol the Apple Accessibility rep had the idea that all Windows screen readers were rather 
limited, and could only perform the "basics," as he put it. I couldn't let that 
slide, and set him straight on that. I must say, he was rather surprised. I wonder if 
that was just his Mac bias or Apple propaganda talking. Either way, he needed to know 
that not only were Windows screen readers very capable, but that I was a capable user of 
two of them, so that he knew I wasn't just spouting Windows screen readers are better 
than VoiceOver on Mac.

Anyway, just thought I'd tell you all about the issues I'm having, and that I 
spoke to Apple about them, and that I'm going to do some testing. It'd be 
really useful if people running Windows 7 and the latest version of iTunes 12 
could see if they're having the same issues I am' so I i can keep a useful 
dialogue going with Apple, and possibly start one with Microsoft. Sorry if any 
of this has been a bit nonsensicle; it's rather early here, and I'm not 
propperly awake yet. I just wanted to get this in before I forgot any of it.


Thanks,
Ari


On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:

Perhaps someone could do a podcast on this program and post it on Applevis?

-Original Message- From: Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

yes, it works fine during the demo. I just haven't been able to afford to
purchase it yet with Murphy constantly rearing its head at my house.
- Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows



Anyone tried this and, if so, is it good and keeps the quality of the originals?


Carol P - UK




On 21/11/2016 03:08, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
there is a program called "copytoy" it costs $14 and it will allow you to copy 
music, contacts, pictures from your iDevice to your pc.
- Original Message - From: "denise avant" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows



Hello everyone,
Thanks for the input.  I thought there might be some workarounds for some of 
the problems. It appears that accessibility with iTunes in windows has gotten 
worse over the years. I was just trying to see what was possible when using 
iTunes with windows 10 after all there is the need to sync data from the iPhone 
and iPad to one's computer from time to time I can remember when some of us 
upgraded to iOS 10. A lot of us simply connected our cables to our computers to 
download
I was just trying to find out whether I could sync my  contacts and other 
material such as photos and notes from my phone when using iTunes in windows. I 
g

Re: Accessing links on Facebook that are posted by more than one person

[Mário Gabriel]

it is a bug.

one of the oldest and most ridiculous that accessibility team never 
solve ...



cheers.


Às 02:44 de 01/11/2016, Mary Otten escreveu:

When you get links in your timeline which have been posted by one person, it is 
easy to access. Just double tap and the page where you can like or share or 
comment on the link. If a link is posted by several people, it is usually 
possible also to access the page. But if it's hosted by two people, there 
doesn't seem to be a way to do anything but save the link. But you can't get at 
it to share and comment on it i've tried double tap, tap and hold, and action 
rotor. Zip. What am I missing?
Mary


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Re: Accessibility Report - Safari (and other) Edit Fields On Web Pages

[Mário Gabriel]

hi.
thank you for this.
I already did my part.

cheers.


Às 22:32 de 26/10/2016, Gordan Radić escreveu:


Hi!

Due to recent bug experienced in Safari browser which was confirmed by 
some members here I've composed a message for Apple Accessibility.


I urge everyone on this list to copy the message bellow as new mail 
and send it to Apple. Here it goes:


Address:

accessibil...@apple.com

Subject:

Voice Over Bug In Edit Fields On Web Pages

Beginning of message:

Hello!

Since iOS 10.1 upgrade Voice Over users are experiencing accessibility 
issues while navigating through text entered in edit fields on web 
pages. It seems Voice Over can't read or move by characters from the 
beginning of text forward and it stucks after second character.


When going backwards from the end of the text everything seem to work 
correctly. It is also confirmed this issue occures in Safari for iOS 
as well as Firefox and Chrome browsers.


Steps to reproduce the bug:

1. With Voice Over on open any web page with the edit field;

2. Enter the phrase "today is a beautiful day" in the field;

3. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text entered;

4. Switch the Rotor to the Characters option;

5. Try to flick down for reading forward character by character;

In some cases, depending on web page you're currently browsing you 
won't hear anything while in other cases You won't get further than 
first twocharacters typed. For example, search field on www.amazon.com 
is completely silent while search field on www.bookshare.org reads 
first two characters.


This is a very serious issue for Voice Over users. Browsing the web is 
everybodys daily routine including blind or partially sighted users 
and fixing this in the next iOS 10 update is crucial for Voice Over 
users to be able to use their iDevices completely.


Thanks and take care!

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Re: Apple Watch may not be as scarce as Apple wants you to think

[Mário Gabriel]

that's right.
yes, I completely agree with your words.
cheers.


Às 07:41 de 20/10/2016, Shaf Patel escreveu:

Apple is a complete ripoff, period. If it wasn't for better
accessibility I'd have switched to Android a long time ago.

On 10/20/2016 7:24 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi List,

  


I finally ordered my 38mm stainless steel Apple Watch SERIES 2 on Monday
using the website since I simply could not figure out how to switch from
Store Pick Up to having it shipped to me with the Apple Store app. When
I ordered it the website said that deliverytime is 3 to 4 weeks. I
resigned myself to the wait only to get a text message the next day that
my Apple Watch has shipped from China and I will get it next Wednesday,
October 26.

This ticked me off a bit since I have been in Calgary for over a week
and had I ordered it for store pick-up last week right away it would
probably be here by now and I could have picked it up in Calgary where I
would have paid 7% less tax compared to my home province of British
Columbia and this would have saved me approx. $45.

  


I also must say that any band Apple sells is a total and complete
rip-off. I really wanted the Milanese Loop stainless steel band, but at
a $150 CAD premium over the default configuration with the Sports Band I
just can’t justify this and I will order a third-party Milanese Loop
band on Amazon or other website. I think it’s even more of a rip-off
that you can’t even select the larger band that comes with the 42mm
watch when you buy the 38mm watch. Once you select the size the band is
selected and can’t be changed. I tried on a 38mm watch at the Apple
Store and while my wrists aren’t huge, the smaller band barely is big
enough and even at it’s widest setting is pretty tight. Why on earth
doesn’t Apple just let you pick the watch you want in whichever
material, colour and size and then let you add the size band you need.
I’m not a Mac user, but I’m quite a fan of the iPhone, Apple TV and I
will probably love the watch, but this stinginess from the richest
company in the world is enough to make even an Apple fan get a bit mad.

If you think about how the most expensive band Apple offers is $599
Canadian which is more than what the Apple Watch Sport costs you really
just have to shake your head.

  


Regards,

Sieghard

  


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Re: Storage issue

[Mário Gabriel]

yo.
Yes it's true.
It also happens to me.
It is a bug.

I hope Apple addresses this issue.
cheers.


Às 22:43 de 15/10/2016, Terri Stimmel escreveu:

Hello everybody,


First of all, I want to thank everyone who has tried helping me so far.
I really do appreciate it. I am going to try the suggestions here in a
little bit.


However, I just realized something, and it shocked me.

I have a 16 gig Iphone. When I update it to the latest update, it is
usually over WIFI. I mention this, just in case it's important.


I went in to storage just a bit ago. I noticed when I got in to manage
storage, that I only have a little over a gig left on my phone. I don't
understand why this is. I don't have a lot of apps, and the ones I do
have are small in size. I have maybe 30 photos on my phone. Some of
which I would like to delete, but of course I will need sighted assistence.


I know that this had to happen recently, because just about a week, or 2
ago, I had close to 6 gigs free. It's interesting that this has just
happened to me, because last night a good friend of mine was telling me
about the same issue.


So what the heck could be going on?

And how can I fix it?


I removed a couple of apps I rarely use. But of course, that didn't make
much of a difference.


Any help with this would be very much appreciated.


Thank you,


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Re: iPhone SE

[mário gabriel]

yes, me to.
very good PHONE.
CHEERS.

a acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção.



No dia 22/03/2016, às 01:42, CrazyEyez  escreveu:

> yes, there is a headphone jack.
> I looked at the phone's specs on the apple store.
> It says nothing about making changes to the headphone jack, and when you look 
> at what comes in the box, it says earpods.
> I'm excited for this phone, and plan to get it as soon as I can.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, according to a tweet I saw from a sighted person, the headphone jack is 
>> definitely there.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hI,
>>> 
>>> Is there an 3.5mm headphone jack on iPhone SE ? Did a google search, but 
>>> could not find any clarification.
>>> 
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