subject:"I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous."

Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-28 Thread Gordan Radić


  
  
Well, I'm in a bit of strange situation. I'm from Croatia and speak
Croatian language which is currently not available for iOS and OS X.
As a replacement we in Croatia use Czech voices till we finally get
something genuine for our users. I don't feel good about complaining
how other voices perform and since the development of Croatian
Vocalizer is in process I'll do my best to spread my opiniion within
the team.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

28.12.2015. u 0:14, Paul Richard McGann
  je napisao/la:

shawn and gordon,
  
  
  are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no?
  
  
  don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and
  it is under title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out.
  
  
  I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with
  lawyers who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in
  profit and the can do  don't try to point out that you can't. I
  say yes, you can.
  
  
  plese speak out.
  
  
  respectfully,
  
  rich
  
  
  
  -Original Message- From: Shawn Krasniuk
  
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM
  
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  
  Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it
  thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
  
  
  I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really
  can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it
  bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things
  correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number
  before it. For example, 2 gb.
  
  
  Shawn
  
  Sent From My White MacBook
  
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
  
  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
  
  
  On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard
McGann  wrote:


to all,


as the people at apple store and few officials for apple
headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for
al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give
note to the engineers and developers who would follow your
needs.


I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there
are other things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up
and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help.


it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your
thoughts. it would be easier.


remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can
see you but you can't see me.


same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you
don't know what they know. so please be more helpful.


respectfully,

rich



-Original Message- From: Richard Turner

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it
thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd
suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at
abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either
stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we
can use to fix pronunciations.

Write to: accessibil...@apple.com

\

Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced
Alabama.

Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.


Richard


-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it
thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


Hello Kevin,


This happens to me, also.


The other day, I was trying to locate a

Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-28 Thread Gordan Radić


  
  
Hi!
Back in the days while I was a member of another blind iOS list one
of the fellow members was trying to get some kind of wish list what
would we all like to see in iOS 7 fro accessibility point of view.
As far as I know, she never managed to compile the list and send it
to Apple but the general idea is still worth a try.
Perhaps we should gather the list of current issues and possible
improovements on some petition site, sign it all together and send
it to Apple.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

28.12.2015. u 1:28, Rajmund je
  napisao/la:


  Hello,
I'd rather they solved out the pitch issue first, really. 

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:04 am
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


  


I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work 
with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are 
expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in 
VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with 
Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request..

I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd 
rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' 
be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself.

On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:


  I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


  
On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  wrote:

to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who would follow your needs.

I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple yourself. they need your help.

it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be easier.

remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you can't see me.

same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what they know. so please be more helpful.

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose name is Al Jones.  I couldn't find him until I realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.

I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got

RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.  

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a little 
miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.  

I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations 
mean, but it can be humorous.

Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was selecting 
the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where 
it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams.  GB was used for 
Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised 
to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is programming 
VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let 
abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this.  
I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive 
Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of 
a good thing.

Just thought I’d share this observation.

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Rajmund

Hello,
Unfortunately, even if the TTS had it, IOS currently doesn't support it. But 
yes, it would work.

- Original Message -
From: Jewel  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:05 am
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

>
>
>  
> Does Nuance not have a dictionary as does Jaws.  If it had, you could 
> instruct it that when it saw GB etc, it was to read the letters, and not try 
> to gainsay it into words.
>  
>  Jewel
> 
> 
> From: Kevin Minor 
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> 
> Hi.
>  
> I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
> to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was 
> selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the 
> ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams.  
> GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, 
> and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever 
> is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they'd 
> just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn't the only one who 
> does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician 
> was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes 
> too much of a good thing.
>  
> Just thought I'd share this observation.
>  
> Have a good day, and don't work too hard.
>  
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Rajmund

Hello,
I'd rather they solved out the pitch issue first, really. 

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:04 am
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

>
>
> I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work 
> with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are 
> expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in 
> VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with 
> Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request..
> 
> I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd 
> rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' 
> be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself.
> 
> On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
> > I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, 
> > Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On 
> > my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time 
> > he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.
> >
> > Shawn
> > Sent From My White MacBook
> > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >
> >> On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> to all,
> >>
> >> as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, 
> >> they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify 
> >> apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and 
> >> developers who would follow your needs.
> >>
> >> I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
> >> things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple 
> >> yourself. they need your help.
> >>
> >> it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it 
> >> would be easier.
> >>
> >> remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but 
> >> you can't see me.
> >>
> >> same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know 
> >> what they know. so please be more helpful.
> >>
> >> respectfully,
> >> rich
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> >> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> >>
> >> I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest 
> >> everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would 
> >> write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an 
> >> exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
> >> Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
> >> \
> >> Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
> >> Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >> Of M. Taylor
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> >> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> >>
> >> Hello Kevin,
> >>
> >> This happens to me, also.
> >>
> >> The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, 
> >> whose name is Al Jones.  I couldn't find him until I realized that 
> >> VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and 
> >> then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.
> >>
> >> I wonder if there is a workaround for this?
> >>
> >> (smile)
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >> Of Kevin Minor
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> >> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I 
> >> wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and 
> >> was selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has 
> >> the ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the 
> >> teams. GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on 
> >> the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I 
> >> know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but 
> >> I wish they'd just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn't 
> >> the only one who does this.  I never knew, for

Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I agree we should let Apple know about things that need fixing or 
improving on the iPhone. As you said, Apple won't know what to fix or 
change if they don't hear from us. I've sent many a suggestion to the 
Apple feedback site and accessibility related issues to their 
accessibility mailing list.


I won't be sending in a message about the abbreviation expansion though, 
since as I said, it doesn't bother me personally.


What I didn't understand, and where we may not agree, is that I don't 
think it makes sense to mention the American's with Disabilities Act 
when talking about the abbreviation expansion. I don't think it's an 
employment issue. I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to say or 
not though.


On 27/12/15 18:23, Paul Richard McGann wrote:

mr. chaltain,

I apologize to this, but it is my last effort. like I have no idea what
naunce is as I am deafblind myself. but like I said the quote: yo can
see me but I can't see you...I can see yo but you can't see me.  it
doesn't mean about our visions. but I am talking about reading minds.
you don't see what I know and I don't see what yo know.

apple officials and technicians at apple stores did say if there are
problems keep notifying apple headfquarter more often and they would do
their best to improve to satisfy you  how will apple know that yo are
not happy about something? mr. turner did talk with apple accessiblity
and sorted out. that is wonderful.I only give yo the note what apple
officials said to me in past saying that they would be happy if any
blind people can notify some issues, then they would fix the problems.
they can't be so sure if some work and some are not working. I hope this
helps you.

or even, go to apple store and show techniciian as tecyhnician can see
the problem and technician file report. same with me showing up at apple
store and let tecnician seeing for himself and he saw what happened and
he tried his and realized the problems. same with technicians who are
authorized by apple at att store, verizon store, best buy, and other
stores.

are yo going to contact with apple accessiblity to share your feedback???

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work
with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are
expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in
VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with
Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature
request.

I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd
rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont'
be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself.

On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can
do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers
you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly.
The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For
example, 2 gb.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann
 wrote:

to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple
headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al
of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to
the engineers and developers who would follow your needs.

I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are
other things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak
out to apple yourself. they need your help.

it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it
would be easier.

remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see
you but you can't see me.

same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't
know what they know. so please be more helpful.

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest
everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations
would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or
provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From:

Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance 
programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I 
use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says 
gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  wrote:
> 
> to all,
> 
> as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they 
> keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple 
> accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers 
> who would follow your needs.
> 
> I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
> things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple 
> yourself. they need your help.
> 
> it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would 
> be easier.
> 
> remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but 
> you can't see me.
> 
> same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what 
> they know. so please be more helpful.
> 
> respectfully,
> rich
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone 
> who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them 
> as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception 
> dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
> Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
> \
> Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
> Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> Hello Kevin,
> 
> This happens to me, also.
> 
> The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
> name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
> pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a 
> little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.
> 
> I wonder if there is a workaround for this?
> 
> (smile)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Minor
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
> to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was 
> selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the 
> ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams. GB 
> was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, and 
> was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is 
> programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just 
> let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does 
> this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was 
> Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too 
> much of a good thing.
> 
> Just thought I’d share this observation.
> 
> Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.
> 
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work 
with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are 
expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in 
VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with 
Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request.


I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd 
rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont' 
be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself.


On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, Nuance 
programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my end, I 
use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he says 
gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.

Shawn
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On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  wrote:

to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they 
keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple 
accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers who 
would follow your needs.

I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple 
yourself. they need your help.

it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would be 
easier.

remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but you 
can't see me.

same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what 
they know. so please be more helpful.

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone who 
would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well 
and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary 
that we can use to fix pronunciations.
Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a little 
miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.

I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations 
mean, but it can be humorous.

Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was selecting 
the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where 
it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for 
Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised 
to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is programming 
VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let 
abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this.  
I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive 
Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of 
a good thing.

Just thought I’d share this observation.

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Katey Glass

Unfortunately the only language that does that is Samantha.  All the rest of 
the English languages don't say Boys name Al as if it was the state of Alabama. 
  


Katey.   

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone 
> who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them 
> as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception 
> dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
> Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
> \
> Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
> Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> Hello Kevin,
> 
> This happens to me, also.  
> 
> The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
> name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
> pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a 
> little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.  
> 
> I wonder if there is a workaround for this?
> 
> (smile)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Minor
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
> to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was 
> selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the 
> ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams.  
> GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, 
> and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever 
> is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d 
> just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who 
> does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician 
> was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes 
> too much of a good thing.
> 
> Just thought I’d share this observation.
> 
> Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.
> 
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Richard Turner

I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone who 
would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them as well 
and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception dictionary 
that we can use to fix pronunciations.
Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.  

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a little 
miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.  

I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations 
mean, but it can be humorous.

Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was selecting 
the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where 
it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams.  GB was used for 
Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised 
to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is programming 
VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let 
abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this.  
I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive 
Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of 
a good thing.

Just thought I’d share this observation.

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Paul Richard McGann


shawn and gordon,

are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no?

don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and it is 
under title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out.


I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with lawyers 
who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in profit and the can 
do  don't try to point out that you can't. I say yes, you can.


plese speak out.

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Shawn Krasniuk

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, 
Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my 
end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he 
says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.


Shawn
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On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  
wrote:


to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, 
they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify 
apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and 
developers who would follow your needs.


I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple 
yourself. they need your help.


it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it 
would be easier.


remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but 
you can't see me.


same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know 
what they know. so please be more helpful.


respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest 
everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would 
write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an 
exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.

Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, 
whose name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that 
VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and 
then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.


I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Minor

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I 
wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and 
was selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has 
the ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the 
teams. GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on 
the screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I 
know whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but 
I wish they’d just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t 
the only one who does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, 
Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a 
way, but there is sometimes too much of a good thing.


Just thought I’d share this observation.

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Jewel


Does Nuance not have a dictionary as does Jaws.  If it had, you could instruct 
it that when it saw GB etc, it was to read the letters, and not try to gainsay 
it into words.

 Jewel


From: Kevin Minor 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations 
mean, but it can be humorous.


Hi.

 

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was selecting 
the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where 
it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams.  GB was used for 
Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised 
to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is programming 
VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let 
abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who does this.  
I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive 
Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of 
a good thing.

 

Just thought I’d share this observation.

 

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

 

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY


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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Gordan Radić


  
  
Hi!
I totally agree but I believe it doesn't have much to do with Voice
Over as with Nuance Vocalizer TTS which Voice Over is using. I
really hate when TTS thinks it's smarter than me and that's I liked
Apollo and Juno in the back days and today I like Espeak.


  S poštovanjem
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27.12.2015. u 22:57, Kevin Minor je
  napisao/la:


  
  
  
  
Hi.
 
I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C
  running the latest iOs.  I wanted to hear the game between
  Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was selecting the
  feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the
  ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations
  for the teams.  GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating
  through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear the
  ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is programming
  VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d
  just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the
  only one who does this.  I never knew, for example about
  Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive Johnson.  Oh well,
  it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of a
  good thing.
 
Just thought I’d share this observation.
 
Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.
 
Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
  
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Rajmund

Hi,
Actually, same with Samantha. If I put: 2GB, I'll hear giga ytes. But if I put 
GB, I won't hear giga bytes. I'll just hear g b. Although, for SD, she does say 
South Dacota, (excuse spelling). 

- Original Message -
From: Shawn Krasniuk  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:08 pm
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

>
>
> I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, 
> Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my 
> end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he 
> says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
> > On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > to all,
> > 
> > as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they 
> > keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple 
> > accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers 
> > who would follow your needs.
> > 
> > I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
> > things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple 
> > yourself. they need your help.
> > 
> > it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would 
> > be easier.
> > 
> > remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but 
> > you can't see me.
> > 
> > same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what 
> > they know. so please be more helpful.
> > 
> > respectfully,
> > rich
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
> > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> > 
> > I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone 
> > who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them 
> > as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception 
> > dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
> > Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
> > \
> > Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
> > Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of M. Taylor
> > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> > 
> > Hello Kevin,
> > 
> > This happens to me, also.
> > 
> > The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, 
> > whose name is Al Jones.  I couldn't find him until I realized that 
> > VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and 
> > then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.
> > 
> > I wonder if there is a workaround for this?
> > 
> > (smile)
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Kevin Minor
> > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> > abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> > 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I 
> > wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and 
> > was selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has 
> > the ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the 
> > teams. GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the 
> > screen, and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know 
> > whoever is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish 
> > they'd just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn't the only 
> > one who does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my 
> > Physician was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there 
> > is sometimes too much of a good thing.
> > 
> > Just thought I'd share this observation.
> > 
> > Have a good day, and don't work too hard.
> > 
> > Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain

It's hard for me to understand this message, so I apologize if I get it 
wrong, but I don't think a text to speech engine trying to pronounce 
abbreviations has anything to do with the American's with Disabilities 
Act. I can't think of a situation where someone would be at a 
disadvantage in an employment situation because a synthesizer expanded 
an abbreviation.


On 27/12/15 17:14, Paul Richard McGann wrote:

shawn and gordon,

are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no?

don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and it is
under title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out.

I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with
lawyers who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in profit
and the can do  don't try to point out that you can't. I say yes, you can.

plese speak out.

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do,
Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you.
On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only
time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann
 wrote:

to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters,
they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify
apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and
developers who would follow your needs.

I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are
other things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak
out to apple yourself. they need your help.

it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it
would be easier.

remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you
but you can't see me.

same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know
what they know. so please be more helpful.

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest
everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations
would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or
provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts,
whose name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that
VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid
and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.

I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I
wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there,
and was selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about
who has the ball, and where it is on the field.  They use
abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay.  I was
navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear
the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is programming
VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let
abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who
does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my
Physician was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but
there is sometimes too much of a good thing.

Just thought I’d share this observation.

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Paul Richard McGann


mr. chaltain,

I apologize to this, but it is my last effort. like I have no idea what 
naunce is as I am deafblind myself. but like I said the quote: yo can see me 
but I can't see you...I can see yo but you can't see me.  it doesn't mean 
about our visions. but I am talking about reading minds. you don't see what 
I know and I don't see what yo know.


apple officials and technicians at apple stores did say if there are 
problems keep notifying apple headfquarter more often and they would do 
their best to improve to satisfy you  how will apple know that yo are not 
happy about something? mr. turner did talk with apple accessiblity and 
sorted out. that is wonderful.I only give yo the note what apple officials 
said to me in past saying that they would be happy if any blind people can 
notify some issues, then they would fix the problems. they can't be so sure 
if some work and some are not working. I hope this helps you.


or even, go to apple store and show techniciian as tecyhnician can see the 
problem and technician file report. same with me showing up at apple store 
and let tecnician seeing for himself and he saw what happened and he tried 
his and realized the problems. same with technicians who are authorized by 
apple at att store, verizon store, best buy, and other stores.


are yo going to contact with apple accessiblity to share your feedback???

respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work
with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are
expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in
VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with
Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature request.

I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd
rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont'
be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself.

On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, 
Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On 
my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time 
he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  
wrote:


to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, 
they keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify 
apple accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and 
developers who would follow your needs.


I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to 
apple yourself. they need your help.


it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it 
would be easier.


remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you 
but you can't see me.


same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know 
what they know. so please be more helpful.


respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest 
everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would 
write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide 
an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.

Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, 
whose name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that 
VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid 
and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.


I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On

Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Rajmund

Hello,
Not sure, but its pretty funny, when you abbreviate facetime as FT, and the 
siri voices (some, anyway) say feature, or featuring, can't remember which. 
While not the best, try experimenting with voices?

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:09 pm
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

>
>
> Hello Kevin,
> 
> This happens to me, also.  
> 
> The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
> name is Al Jones.  I couldn't find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
> pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a 
> little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.  
> 
> I wonder if there is a workaround for this?
> 
> (smile)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Minor
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
> to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was 
> selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the 
> ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams.  
> GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, 
> and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever 
> is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they'd 
> just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn't the only one who 
> does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician 
> was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes 
> too much of a good thing.
> 
> Just thought I'd share this observation.
> 
> Have a good day, and don't work too hard.
> 
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Kevin Minor

Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I wanted 
to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was selecting 
the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the ball, and where 
it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams.  GB was used for 
Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised 
to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever is programming 
VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they'd just let 
abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn't the only one who does this.  
I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician was Drive 
Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes too much of 
a good thing.

Just thought I'd share this observation.

Have a good day, and don't work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Paul Richard McGann


to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they 
keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple 
accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers 
who would follow your needs.


I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple 
yourself. they need your help.


it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would 
be easier.


remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but 
you can't see me.


same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what 
they know. so please be more helpful.


respectfully,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone 
who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them 
as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception 
dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.

Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a 
little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.


I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Minor

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.


Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I 
wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there, and was 
selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you updates about who has the 
ball, and where it is on the field.  They use abbreviations for the teams. 
GB was used for Green Bay.  I was navigating through the info on the screen, 
and was surprised to hear the ball was on the gigabytes 25.  I know whoever 
is programming VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d 
just let abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who 
does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my Physician 
was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but there is sometimes 
too much of a good thing.


Just thought I’d share this observation.

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

2015-12-27 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

No, because like I said, it's a Nuance issue, not an Apple issue. The nuance 
Vocalizer voices do that on every platform, weather it's iOS's or OS X's 
Voiceover, NVDA and Jaws. Like I said, Alex doesn't do that, and that's who I 
use all the time. I might use one of the Siri voices here and there, which I 
might add are also owned by Nuance as well, but I lean back on Alex. Just keep 
that in mind, it's not just an Apple issue, it's everywhere else too. Nuance 
would have to reprogram their voices so that it would ignore abbreviations or 
make them smarter like Apple does with Alex. Also, they would have to do that 
on every platform.

Shawn
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> On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Paul Richard McGann  wrote:
> 
> shawn and gordon,
> 
> are you going to send notes to apple accessibility??? yes or no?
> 
> don't try to point out. it is americans with disabilties act, and it is under 
> title iii public accomoation. yo uneed to voice out.
> 
> I have been an advocate for almost 25 yers. and I have shared with lawyers 
> who ackonwledge this. apple makes huge billion dollars in profit and the can 
> do  don't try to point out that you can't. I say yes, you can.
> 
> plese speak out.
> 
> respectfully,
> rich
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
> 
> I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can do, 
> Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers you. On my 
> end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly. The only time he 
> says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For example, 2 gb.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> to all,
>> 
>> as the people at apple store and few officials for apple headquarters, they 
>> keep telling me that it is very important for al of you to notify apple 
>> accessibility team as team would give note to the engineers and developers 
>> who would follow your needs.
>> 
>> I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are other 
>> things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak out to apple 
>> yourself. they need your help.
>> 
>> it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it would 
>> be easier.
>> 
>> remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see you but 
>> you can't see me.
>> 
>> same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't know what 
>> they know. so please be more helpful.
>> 
>> respectfully,
>> rich
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
>> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
>> 
>> I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest everyone 
>> who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations would write them 
>> as well and ask them to either stop it completely or provide an exception 
>> dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
>> Write to: accessibil...@apple.com
>> \
>> Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
>> Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
>> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
>> 
>> Hello Kevin,
>> 
>> This happens to me, also.
>> 
>> The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my contacts, whose 
>> name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I realized that VoiceOver was 
>> pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I felt so stupid and then got a 
>> little miffed at VoiceOver for trying to do too much.
>> 
>> I wonder if there is a workaround for this?
>> 
>> (smile)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kevin Minor
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks 
>> abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.  I 
>> wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got there,

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