RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz
The premise still holds. Just because you don’t... Folks are still using their 
nose and whatever else tickles their fancy. And yes, people have and do use the 
body part you're eluding to. A friend confided in me that his girlfriend at the 
time (it didn't last) for kicks used his eleventh digit as her special touch 
ID. Talk about TMI. Some things you'd just rather not know about others. Again, 
it's all good. the point is we have options. Tomato Tommato.
Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Yes, a 9-year old article from when Touch Id was quite a novelty and people 
tried all sorts of stupid stuff. I'm sure using my nose will be very reliable 
and since baring my chest in the winter to use a nipple or taking off my boots 
to try a toe doesn't seem exactly practical I think I'll stick with Face Id. 
Oh, sorry, forgot the cat's paw, but then again since I think cats don't have 
any use except for catching mice on a farm I think I won’t buy one for that 
purpose and I think my lab's paw is too rough and big for the home button of 
the SE. There is of course one more male body part which I am surprised wasn't 
even mentioned in the article, but once again, I'll keep it where it's warm in 
the winter and I also don't want to get arrested for public exposure.



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Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

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Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Origin

RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I doubt you will find that Voiceover on an iPhone 11, 12 or 13 will be all that 
much different. Yes, especially the Max phones may have slightly larger 
speakers and sound a bit fuller, but it's not a night and day difference.

As for your other issues you may have these just the same on any other iPhone, 
e.g. if you turn on Screentime it will be no different on an iPhone 13 Max than 
on an iPhone SE 2020.

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From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 7:08 PM
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Subject: Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

What I don’t like is the voice is tinny,  I have trouble seeing the keyboard 
some times when I am on the phone...  I was having trouble deleting downloaded 
apps but I called apple and they helped me fix that problem... Screen time had 
to be turned off to get the delete button to show... Other than those few 
things the phone is ok... Guess I wil wait and see how things goes ..

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as September comes around.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
> 
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, a 9-year old article from when Touch Id was quite a novelty and people 
tried all sorts of stupid stuff. I'm sure using my nose will be very reliable 
and since baring my chest in the winter to use a nipple or taking off my boots 
to try a toe doesn't seem exactly practical I think I'll stick with Face Id. 
Oh, sorry, forgot the cat's paw, but then again since I think cats don't have 
any use except for catching mice on a farm I think I won’t buy one for that 
purpose and I think my lab's paw is too rough and big for the home button of 
the SE. There is of course one more male body part which I am surprised wasn't 
even mentioned in the article, but once again, I'll keep it where it's warm in 
the winter and I also don't want to get arrested for public exposure.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
What I don’t like is the voice is tinny,  I have trouble seeing the keyboard 
some times when I am on the phone...  I was having trouble deleting downloaded 
apps but I called apple and they helped me fix that problem... Screen time had 
to be turned off to get the delete button to show... Other than those few 
things the phone is ok... Guess I wil wait and see how things goes ..

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as September comes around.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I also wear some sleep headphones at night so I can read a book without 
bothering my wife, and I don't have to worry about falling asleep while wearing 
them. Sometimes I pull them down over my eyes so they don't irritate my 
forehead. When I do this, and I have to unlock my phone in the middle of the 
night to start my BARD book again, I have to tug up my sleep phones, unplug my 
iPhone because the cord is too short, and point it at my face to unlock it. 
Obviously I could get a longer code and buy a pair of sleep ear buds, but my 
life would be a bit simpler and I'd save a bit of money if I had a touch ID 
option on my phone. This is just my particular use case.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I agree with you about Touch ID.  I have been using an iPhone XR with Face ID 
and I miss touch ID.  For one thing, I would rather lay my finger on a home 
button than having to hold my arm away from me with my phone.  For another 
thing, the organization I work for has had a couple COVID outbreaks recently 
which caused us to need to wear masks again.  It seems that COVID will be here 
for a long time so I’m guessing this isn’t the last time for us going back to 
masks.  I’m considering an SE the next time I purchase a phone so I can have my 
touch ID back. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> And for me it's mostly been the opposite, i.e. touch ID has been more 
> reliable and convenient. There are just some times where I'd find it more 
> convenient to use my finger instead of getting my face and phone positioned 
> so face ID will work. I'm not pushing against face ID, and it wouldn't keep 
> me from buying a phone, but if I had the option then I'd be just a touch 
> happier.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
> live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
> for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
> gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and 
> when my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is 
> just not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more 
> reliable for me.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell 
> out big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came 
> across some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had 
> Amazon's   return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or 
> if it showed up looking too rough.
> I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
> sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
> battery's at 95% too. 
> Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
> face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
> more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do 
> you need for OCR? 
> If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
> have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work 
> for the millionth time.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models w

RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz
Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Ryan Mann
I agree with you about Touch ID.  I have been using an iPhone XR with Face ID 
and I miss touch ID.  For one thing, I would rather lay my finger on a home 
button than having to hold my arm away from me with my phone.  For another 
thing, the organization I work for has had a couple COVID outbreaks recently 
which caused us to need to wear masks again.  It seems that COVID will be here 
for a long time so I’m guessing this isn’t the last time for us going back to 
masks.  I’m considering an SE the next time I purchase a phone so I can have my 
touch ID back. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> And for me it's mostly been the opposite, i.e. touch ID has been more 
> reliable and convenient. There are just some times where I'd find it more 
> convenient to use my finger instead of getting my face and phone positioned 
> so face ID will work. I'm not pushing against face ID, and it wouldn't keep 
> me from buying a phone, but if I had the option then I'd be just a touch 
> happier.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
> live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
> for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
> gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and 
> when my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is 
> just not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more 
> reliable for me.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell 
> out big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came 
> across some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had 
> Amazon's   return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or 
> if it showed up looking too rough.
> I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
> sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
> battery's at 95% too. 
> Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
> face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
> more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do 
> you need for OCR? 
> If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
> have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work 
> for the millionth time.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as September comes around.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don't 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Christopher Chaltain
And for me it's mostly been the opposite, i.e. touch ID has been more reliable 
and convenient. There are just some times where I'd find it more convenient to 
use my finger instead of getting my face and phone positioned so face ID will 
work. I'm not pushing against face ID, and it wouldn't keep me from buying a 
phone, but if I had the option then I'd be just a touch happier.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don't know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz
I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-17 Thread Carolyn
I like my 11, but that seems a big difference from a SE 2020. I think though 
that the 11 has a stronger battery. The 11 has no home button, good riddance, 
as far as I'm concerned, but the SE 2020 does. So, if a home button is 
important to you, then, you might want to give this further consideration. 
Although, as I see it, there will be a time, when there is no home button on 
any model, just a matter of time. 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
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Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-17 Thread Joshua Hendrickson
I just got my 13 pro max a few days ago.  Not having the home button
isn't any big deal.  A great tip someone shared with me, to easily get
to the home screen with the nonhome button phones, is to put your
thumb on the USB lightning port of your phone, then move your wright
index finger up.  This will help you immensely in getting to both your
home screen and your app switcher.

On 7/17/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The SE 2020 has the same chip set as the 11. So it would be duplicating the
> capability of what you already have. It would be bigger is all.
> I'd look into deals for a 12 if you are looking for better performance.
> Just remember you will lose the home button. To me that is not a big deal.
> I have the 13 Pro and do not miss the home button at all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little
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>> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the
>> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and
>> don’t know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions
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Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-17 Thread Richard Turner
The SE 2020 has the same chip set as the 11. So it would be duplicating the 
capability of what you already have. It would be bigger is all.
I'd look into deals for a 12 if you are looking for better performance.
Just remember you will lose the home button. To me that is not a big deal.
I have the 13 Pro and do not miss the home button at all.
 




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> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:03 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
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> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-17 Thread 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
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