Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
hi, , Sieghard Kudos to you! Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > On Mar 29, 2024, at 7:41 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > You suggest none of us give them a dime, I suggest everybody does what they > feel is best for them and let's stop bad mouthing them because you don't > agree with their business decision which is entirely theirs to make. This is > getting old and it's a repeat of the same issue when some app developer who > started out with a free app realized they had to charge something since free > wasn't paying their bills. It's one thing for a company like Microsoft to > offer Seeing AI for free, it's another thing for an app developer or maybe a > small group of developers who joined together and want to make a living from > what they do to offer their work for free. I remember the outrage when years > ago the Flexy keyboard became a paid app and there are other examples, there > are also some examples where an app was a paid app at first and then it > became a free app and of course people who initially paid a few bucks were > then mad because they could now get it for free. The important lesson is that > none of these apps are around any more and if people want quality apps which > they use daily to continue and to not just get a few bug fixes but also new > features, then they have to pay something for them. How often has this come > over the years regarding Jaws and their SMA cost every two years or more > recently the annual subscription model. Strangely nobody complains about the > monthly or annual subscription costs of Netflix, Disney Plus, Apple TV, Apple > Music, Spotify and on and on. From what I read the new owner of Voice Dream > Reader has released updates with new features, voices are now included, > OneDrive support was added and they say there are plans to add Kindle support > which I think for many would be a very big deal and just because they maybe > haven't joined every iPhone list where they engage directly with our > community does not mean they are a " crappy corporation" who only cares about > money. I own a retail store and it's an incorporated business and I > definitely care about making money because that is my job, but that does not > mean I don't care about my customers and providing them with good service and > about my community where I donate thousands of Dollars each year to all sorts > of organisations, events and fund raisers. The vague statement about the > "crappy corporation and money is all they care about." Indicates that you > probably don't know anything at all about the individuals behind the company > and why they decided to buy Voice Dream Reader, yes, I say buy because while > I also don't know for sure, I am pretty certain Winston Chen didn't just give > it to them after years of work because he is such a nice guy. I also read > another post where it was stated the developer doesn't care or engage with > our community. Let's not forget that this is not strictly an app for the > blind, but it's also for people with dyslexia and just regular sighted people > who want an app which can read books, PDF's, web articles etc. It says in the > app description that it is " Optimized for VoiceOver, Braille and switch > control" and has " High contrast and large font size for low vision > readers.", but that is only part of its many features. > Just move on, buy the subscription and enjoy the app if you want to don't and > shut up if you don't; anything else people say about has been said already. > > Best regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of The > Evil Chocolate Cookie > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:31 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue > > I suggest none of us give them a dime. It’s own edby some crappy corporation > now and money is all they care about. > >> On Mar 27, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote: >> >> It appears to me that what ever the rights, wrongs and merits of the new >> pricing structure are the choice is simple, subscribe or don’t. >> >> I doubt very much that the creators of the app in question monitor this >> list so all we are doing is arguing amongst ourselves. >> >> It is well worth noting that software is often licensed and not sold. I >> have an Apple Music subscription and as long as that is active I can play >> any music in their catalogue. They may increase the price of the >> subscription at any time. If I choose to termin
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
Hi Richard, I see in the subscription information it says you can get a 25% off for life on the subscription. Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 7:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue IN fact, if anyone really knew the history of Voice Dream they would know Winston wrote it originally for himself to learn iOS programming and to have something to read documents to him while he drove, ran, worked out, etc. Then, he found out how useful it could be to people with Dyslexia and began focusing on that community and it became one of the most popular apps in the education field around the world. Then came including VoiceOver users in the app. And as I have said too many times, Winston was going to change to a subscription model anyway but wanted the app taken care of by a team rather than depending on just him, so he sold it to someone who could do just that. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 5:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published t
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
I just did a review of voice dream; gave it five stars. The title is: “voice dream – a dream come true”. I paid for the subscription, gladly. I understand that for some folks coming up with $60 all at once is a stretch; a monthly subscription would be good. A friend pointe out that it would have been better if they’d showed us one of their touted upgrades before asking us to pay. But I love the app; if they could get it integrated with Kindle that would be a game changer and I would love an AI voice. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 9:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Well, I know I did a review of five star one, quite some time ago. So maybe it got buried. I have an updated it. If these people are really starting to update with crap reviews, I suppose I’ll have to go do mine too. But I think it’s ridiculous this complaining and complaining. You were not promised a perpetually free app after you paid your 10 or whatever dollars it was. In fact, if anybody has a long enough memory, you might remember when Winston himself charged for a major upgrade. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I do definitely remember having to pay for a big upgrade. And I didn’t care. It was worth it. This might be worth it too. It certainly the best app out there if you’re a big book user. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
The fact that they’re only reaching out now and it is because they want money is even more disgusting, and then there’s the fact they lied to us after we trusted them. From where I come from, we call that a Backstabber. Do you know what we do with Backstabber? We cut them off, and if we can’t do that, we make sure everyone else knows they’re a Backstabber. Trust is the most important thing ever and once it smashed, it’s gone. On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:25 PM, Kerry Macdonald wrote:I respectfully disagree. There is a big difference on Winston’s asking us to pay 14 or $25. Then there is to these people asking us to pay 60 a year. If it were Winston charging me this money and I knew he would be receptive to my issues and suggestions I would not have so much of a problem paying although I think the amount they’re asking is ridiculous.However, my app is currently not working, I have tried everything, and no matter what I do all of a sudden during this last week I can no longer get any book share books to download. I have emailed them and have not gotten any response. This issue has occurred repeatedly over the last month, and they have not responded to my emails. The problem will Periodically go away and the App will work fine and then it will occur again.I have gotten more help from the members of this list trying to figure out this problem, then I have gotten from the owners of this company. They have not once gotten back to me on any of my emails. It is really hard for me to think of paying them all of this money if they can’t even fix the basics.KerrySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 9:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:Well, I know I did a review of five star one, quite some time ago. So maybe it got buried. I have an updated it. If these people are really starting to update with crap reviews, I suppose I’ll have to go do mine too. But I think it’s ridiculous this complaining and complaining. You were not promised a perpetually free app after you paid your 10 or whatever dollars it was. In fact, if anybody has a long enough memory, you might remember when Winston himself charged for a major upgrade. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I do definitely remember having to pay for a big upgrade. And I didn’t care. It was worth it. This might be worth it too. It certainly the best app out there if you’re a big book user. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of yo
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
Thanks Mary. In fact, when Winston started the app, I think the price was around $2.00. Then it went to $5, then 10, then 15, then 20, and the last price was $30 and. But, people do not trust when they don't get what they want. I did a couple 5 stars reviews over the years, so I guess I'll add mine again too. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:Well, I know I did a review of five star one, quite some time ago. So maybe it got buried. I have an updated it. If these people are really starting to update with crap reviews, I suppose I’ll have to go do mine too. But I think it’s ridiculous this complaining and complaining. You were not promised a perpetually free app after you paid your 10 or whatever dollars it was. In fact, if anybody has a long enough memory, you might remember when Winston himself charged for a major upgrade. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I do definitely remember having to pay for a big upgrade. And I didn’t care. It was worth it. This might be worth it too. It certainly the best app out there if you’re a big book user. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-ar
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
I respectfully disagree. There is a big difference on Winston’s asking us to pay 14 or $25. Then there is to these people asking us to pay 60 a year. If it were Winston charging me this money and I knew he would be receptive to my issues and suggestions I would not have so much of a problem paying although I think the amount they’re asking is ridiculous.However, my app is currently not working, I have tried everything, and no matter what I do all of a sudden during this last week I can no longer get any book share books to download. I have emailed them and have not gotten any response. This issue has occurred repeatedly over the last month, and they have not responded to my emails. The problem will Periodically go away and the App will work fine and then it will occur again.I have gotten more help from the members of this list trying to figure out this problem, then I have gotten from the owners of this company. They have not once gotten back to me on any of my emails. It is really hard for me to think of paying them all of this money if they can’t even fix the basics.KerrySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 9:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:Well, I know I did a review of five star one, quite some time ago. So maybe it got buried. I have an updated it. If these people are really starting to update with crap reviews, I suppose I’ll have to go do mine too. But I think it’s ridiculous this complaining and complaining. You were not promised a perpetually free app after you paid your 10 or whatever dollars it was. In fact, if anybody has a long enough memory, you might remember when Winston himself charged for a major upgrade. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I do definitely remember having to pay for a big upgrade. And I didn’t care. It was worth it. This might be worth it too. It certainly the best app out there if you’re a big book user. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/origina
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
Well, I know I did a review of five star one, quite some time ago. So maybe it got buried. I have an updated it. If these people are really starting to update with crap reviews, I suppose I’ll have to go do mine too. But I think it’s ridiculous this complaining and complaining. You were not promised a perpetually free app after you paid your 10 or whatever dollars it was. In fact, if anybody has a long enough memory, you might remember when Winston himself charged for a major upgrade. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I do definitely remember having to pay for a big upgrade. And I didn’t care. It was worth it. This might be worth it too. It certainly the best app out there if you’re a big book user. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is ina
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Amen Well said Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 8:08 PM, Richard Turner wrote:IN fact, if anyone really knew the history of Voice Dream they would know Winston wrote it originally for himself to learn iOS programming and to have something to read documents to him while he drove, ran, worked out, etc.Then, he found out how useful it could be to people with Dyslexia and began focusing on that community and it became one of the most popular apps in the education field around the world.Then came including VoiceOver users in the app. And as I have said too many times, Winston was going to change to a subscription model anyway but wanted the app taken care of by a team rather than depending on just him, so he sold it to someone who could do just that.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard WeitzelSent: Friday, March 29, 2024 5:00 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
IN fact, if anyone really knew the history of Voice Dream they would know Winston wrote it originally for himself to learn iOS programming and to have something to read documents to him while he drove, ran, worked out, etc. Then, he found out how useful it could be to people with Dyslexia and began focusing on that community and it became one of the most popular apps in the education field around the world. Then came including VoiceOver users in the app. And as I have said too many times, Winston was going to change to a subscription model anyway but wanted the app taken care of by a team rather than depending on just him, so he sold it to someone who could do just that. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 5:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched a
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
You suggest none of us give them a dime, I suggest everybody does what they feel is best for them and let's stop bad mouthing them because you don't agree with their business decision which is entirely theirs to make. This is getting old and it's a repeat of the same issue when some app developer who started out with a free app realized they had to charge something since free wasn't paying their bills. It's one thing for a company like Microsoft to offer Seeing AI for free, it's another thing for an app developer or maybe a small group of developers who joined together and want to make a living from what they do to offer their work for free. I remember the outrage when years ago the Flexy keyboard became a paid app and there are other examples, there are also some examples where an app was a paid app at first and then it became a free app and of course people who initially paid a few bucks were then mad because they could now get it for free. The important lesson is that none of these apps are around any more and if people want quality apps which they use daily to continue and to not just get a few bug fixes but also new features, then they have to pay something for them. How often has this come over the years regarding Jaws and their SMA cost every two years or more recently the annual subscription model. Strangely nobody complains about the monthly or annual subscription costs of Netflix, Disney Plus, Apple TV, Apple Music, Spotify and on and on. From what I read the new owner of Voice Dream Reader has released updates with new features, voices are now included, OneDrive support was added and they say there are plans to add Kindle support which I think for many would be a very big deal and just because they maybe haven't joined every iPhone list where they engage directly with our community does not mean they are a " crappy corporation" who only cares about money. I own a retail store and it's an incorporated business and I definitely care about making money because that is my job, but that does not mean I don't care about my customers and providing them with good service and about my community where I donate thousands of Dollars each year to all sorts of organisations, events and fund raisers. The vague statement about the "crappy corporation and money is all they care about." Indicates that you probably don't know anything at all about the individuals behind the company and why they decided to buy Voice Dream Reader, yes, I say buy because while I also don't know for sure, I am pretty certain Winston Chen didn't just give it to them after years of work because he is such a nice guy. I also read another post where it was stated the developer doesn't care or engage with our community. Let's not forget that this is not strictly an app for the blind, but it's also for people with dyslexia and just regular sighted people who want an app which can read books, PDF's, web articles etc. It says in the app description that it is " Optimized for VoiceOver, Braille and switch control" and has " High contrast and large font size for low vision readers.", but that is only part of its many features. Just move on, buy the subscription and enjoy the app if you want to don't and shut up if you don't; anything else people say about has been said already. Best regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of The Evil Chocolate Cookie Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue I suggest none of us give them a dime. It’s own edby some crappy corporation now and money is all they care about. > On Mar 27, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote: > > It appears to me that what ever the rights, wrongs and merits of the new > pricing structure are the choice is simple, subscribe or don’t. > > I doubt very much that the creators of the app in question monitor this list > so all we are doing is arguing amongst ourselves. > > It is well worth noting that software is often licensed and not sold. I have > an Apple Music subscription and as long as that is active I can play any > music in their catalogue. They may increase the price of the subscription at > any time. If I choose to terminate my subscription I am no longer able to > play their music even if it has been downloaded to my device. > > Apps have changed to a subscription model before or added in app purchases so > this is nothing new or unscrupulous. > > Pay your money and make your choice. No one is holding you to ransom. > Malcolm Parfitt > >> On 27 Mar 2024, at 9:16 PM, Dennis Long wrote: >> >> Applause Group > > -- > The following information is important for
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
I agree with you completely Dennis. This is why I feel the way I do about the subscription. This company does not engage with us as a community at all and all they want is money. An alternative to Voice Dream for those who are interested is Dolphin EasyReader, which apparently does offer a subscription at a cheaper rate with decent quality voices and the option to sync with Book Share.KerrySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 27, 2024, at 5:16 PM, Dennis Long wrote:I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003801da808c%2408154780%24183fd680%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you hav
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
Is it true that the subscription only kicks in if you update to the latest version? Jonathan's post sort of made it sound that way but I might be misunderstanding him.Is it > On Mar 27, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote: > > It appears to me that what ever the rights, wrongs and merits of the new > pricing structure are the choice is simple, subscribe or don’t. > > I doubt very much that the creators of the app in question monitor this list > so all we are doing is arguing amongst ourselves. > > It is well worth noting that software is often licensed and not sold. I have > an Apple Music subscription and as long as that is active I can play any > music in their catalogue. They may increase the price of the subscription at > any time. If I choose to terminate my subscription I am no longer able to > play their music even if it has been downloaded to my device. > > Apps have changed to a subscription model before or added in app purchases so > this is nothing new or unscrupulous. > > Pay your money and make your choice. No one is holding you to ransom. > Malcolm Parfitt > >> On 27 Mar 2024, at 9:16 PM, Dennis Long wrote: >> >> Applause Group > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/AB0A1E04-187F-4DAD-9092-6F168567FE58%40parfitt1.org.uk. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/8D7047C0-9475-4D50-AA80-74BF9014D4BA%40gmail.com.
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
I suggest none of us give them a dime. It’s own edby some crappy corporation now and money is all they care about. > On Mar 27, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote: > > It appears to me that what ever the rights, wrongs and merits of the new > pricing structure are the choice is simple, subscribe or don’t. > > I doubt very much that the creators of the app in question monitor this list > so all we are doing is arguing amongst ourselves. > > It is well worth noting that software is often licensed and not sold. I have > an Apple Music subscription and as long as that is active I can play any > music in their catalogue. They may increase the price of the subscription at > any time. If I choose to terminate my subscription I am no longer able to > play their music even if it has been downloaded to my device. > > Apps have changed to a subscription model before or added in app purchases so > this is nothing new or unscrupulous. > > Pay your money and make your choice. No one is holding you to ransom. > Malcolm Parfitt > >> On 27 Mar 2024, at 9:16 PM, Dennis Long wrote: >> >> Applause Group > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/AB0A1E04-187F-4DAD-9092-6F168567FE58%40parfitt1.org.uk. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/D1F46EC7-4E68-4767-94C0-6FA8F7A5AA1C%40gmail.com.
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
It appears to me that what ever the rights, wrongs and merits of the new pricing structure are the choice is simple, subscribe or don’t. I doubt very much that the creators of the app in question monitor this list so all we are doing is arguing amongst ourselves. It is well worth noting that software is often licensed and not sold. I have an Apple Music subscription and as long as that is active I can play any music in their catalogue. They may increase the price of the subscription at any time. If I choose to terminate my subscription I am no longer able to play their music even if it has been downloaded to my device. Apps have changed to a subscription model before or added in app purchases so this is nothing new or unscrupulous. Pay your money and make your choice. No one is holding you to ransom. Malcolm Parfitt > On 27 Mar 2024, at 9:16 PM, Dennis Long wrote: > > Applause Group -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/AB0A1E04-187F-4DAD-9092-6F168567FE58%40parfitt1.org.uk.
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
I’ll restate Had it been Winston I wouldn’t have an issue. Why not? Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community. The Applause Group does not engage with the community at all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003801da808c%2408154780%24183fd680%24%40gmail.com.
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
So lets say they at least did a poor job of explaining what was to come. My issue is should we trust them that we will pay the $60 a year? Are we really locked into that price as their blog post states? Or if it goes up to $150 next year is it 25% off that $150? This is what happens when you promise the community one thing and do another. Had they said “we are not changing things for current users at this time but that may change down the road they would be protected and I would not have any leg to stand on. It was how they did this. Not everyone got emails. I know I didn’t. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue Do you have a link to that thread? Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to a subscription for ew users only" Dennis Long Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max On Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote: Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@ca
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
from that thread. we are migrating to a subscription for new users only! so i'm not spreading false information! see below Update from Voice Dream TeamBy Voice Dream 11 months 1 week agoHi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our support team. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:46 PM, Richard Turner wrote:Do you have a link to that thread? Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to a subscription for ew users only" Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at car
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
the link is below Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/yearapplevis.comDennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:46 PM, Richard Turner wrote:Do you have a link to that thread? Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to a subscription for ew users only" Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view thi
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
Do you have a link to that thread? Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to a subscription for ew users only" Dennis Long Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max On Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote: Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to a subscription for ew users only" Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6D520905-0887-4B7D-809D-DE30190C96A7%40gmail.com.
RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
Dennis, You need to get your facts straight. The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023. Applause Group never said you would never have to pay. They said you didn’t have to pay right away. Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. But, you are spreading false information. Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net.
Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
This was published to his Mastodon feed. https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/ 221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.
