RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-30 Thread Rizzino, Bonnie
Richard,
It sounds like a state with ideal weather. I spent a weekend in Portland in 
June several years ago while presenting at a guide dog conference. The weather 
was great. No humidity.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

In my part of the state, we had about 8 to 10 inches of snow this year, which 
is highly unusual.  I think the cities main elevation  is around 150 feet.
The hills around here can get up to 1000 or 1200 feet and get a bit more snow, 
but again that is very rare.
We have gone several years with no snow and only a handful of nights that got 
down to freezing.

And, I am not one to wear headphones outside anyway.

The number of days that stay at or below even 35° are very few.
Summers, we rarely get to 100.  So, in reality, around Portland, they are 
probably going to survive the elements if one wanted to walk around with them.

I plan to use them on our back patio when the weather is comfortable and dry 
and I don’t have to be digging up weeds or pruning roses, etc.

Later,



Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Richard,

In your state,
Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter months?

So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
during these times,

Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
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Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter we

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-30 Thread Pete Nalda
Never mind stranger not work, but I opted for the ear clips on Amazon for 10 
bucks anyway rather than a eck strap. Ear buddy clips. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> Will think about that option.  I’m thinking a piece of string that would be 
> wadded up inside the the top of the charging case. Hate going back to no 
> physical volume control. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just a note,
>> There are a product you can get that is a silicon strap like a shoe lace 
>> almost that has little socket like things at the ends that you can put the 
>> airpods in to or the stems of the airpods and they hold them around if you 
>> have them fall out of your ears,
>> 
>> The only real issue is that you have to take the pods out of them to put 
>> them back in to the charging case.
>> 
>> But they cost a few bucks from amazon and come in multiple colours
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
>> Yates
>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:31 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, 
>> I’m not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit 
>> properly but anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter 
>>> would have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I 
>>> think Apple did a great job with this I see people walking around with 
>>> bows, Sony, or beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these 
>>> things are just plain space gray
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>>>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>>>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>>>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>>> 
>>>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger 
>>>> type would know what they are.
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>>>>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Texas has a Georgetown 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ok, confusion question,
> 
> George town,
> I thought that was part of Washington Dc and had a major university of the 
> usA,
> 
> Or is there another George town?
> 
> Like springfield 
> Which I believe there is one in every state!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:32 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
> probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
> Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found 
> something from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to 
> me to ask if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square 
> that day and I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!
> 
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Pete Nalda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
If you were worried about them getting wet, they'd be no good here in my city,
We have in some cases four seasons in one day,
And that doesn't always include sun!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 5:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I don't know if there's a Georgetown in every state, but there are at least a 
few of them. I live in Georgetown, Texas, which is just north of Austin. We're 
in the running for nicest town square in the country every few years. I'm lucky 
enough to live in Old Town which is just a few blocks from the square. It's 
nice because we can walk to so many things on and around the square. There's 
been many a weekend where we get out to restaurants and shopping and never have 
to get in a car or even public transportation. When I walk to the square I 
usually bring my iPhone, Bose Frames, Airpod Pros and Orbit Writer. I'll use 
the Bose Frames while walking around to get directions and points of interest 
from my GPS. Once I end up somewhere, I'll usually switch to the Airpods to 
take advantage of their noise cancellation and the Orbit Writer to check in on 
Facebook and Swarm.

--
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Ok, confusion question,

George town,
I thought that was part of Washington Dc and had a major university of the usA,

Or is there another George town?

Like springfield 
Which I believe there is one in every state!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:32 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found something 
from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to me to ask 
if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square that day and 
I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Ok, confusion question,

George town,
I thought that was part of Washington Dc and had a major university of the usA,

Or is there another George town?

Like springfield 
Which I believe there is one in every state!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:32 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found something 
from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to me to ask 
if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square that day and 
I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I don’t wear the airpods or airpods pro I have but I do wear my bose frames 
while walking around,

In most cases we have controlled crossings / intersections,

However once away from those such as in my part of town we have the take your 
life in your own hands method,

However in saying that,
Without any headphones or media playin at the time,
And on a controlled intersection,
I still got hit by a tour bus full of American cruise ship tourists,

May be things would be better if I did have the headphones on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



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realize that you are in a hurry.





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Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
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Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
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Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
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> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah true,
But what don’t' apple put their tag on these days,

  But as you say,
 Who else would make something so seamless,



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 1:17 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi Simon,
You know what they say when you assume, right?

I just had my sighted wife examine them carefully and there is no Apple logo 
anywhere.

But, as she pointed out, no one makes headphones like these other than Apple.

Later,


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Your freezing and our freezing are two very different freezings,

Your’s being a lot colder than ours,

The highest hill / mount around my town is about 600 meters,
And that’s probably a bit high,
And we only get snow on average on the outer subburbs and then only a matter of 
4 inchs if we are lucky,

To get snow in town is very very unusual  and thatt’s within meters of sea 
level on average,

our ski fields sometimes struggle to get enough snow to open
so they use artifiscial means tofreeze the ground and they are up in the 1000 / 
2000 meter range in hight

I just thought,
I wouldn’t want to drop an airpod pro or series 2 etc in to a bed of snow,
That could be one hell of a search,



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 1:23 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

In my part of the state, we had about 8 to 10 inches of snow this year, which 
is highly unusual.  I think the cities main elevation  is around 150 feet.
The hills around here can get up to 1000 or 1200 feet and get a bit more snow, 
but again that is very rare.
We have gone several years with no snow and only a handful of nights that got 
down to freezing.

And, I am not one to wear headphones outside anyway.

The number of days that stay at or below even 35° are very few.
Summers, we rarely get to 100.  So, in reality, around Portland, they are 
probably going to survive the elements if one wanted to walk around with them.

I plan to use them on our back patio when the weather is comfortable and dry 
and I don’t have to be digging up weeds or pruning roses, etc.

Later,



Richard

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realize that you are in a hurry.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Richard,

In your state,
Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter months?

So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
during these times,

Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

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realize that you are in a hurry.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussi

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Waw, that surprises me,

Apple normally have the logo on all of their products some where.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 2:11 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

They don’t have any logo. That’s the beauty. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Will think about that option.  I’m thinking a piece of string that would be 
wadded up inside the the top of the charging case. Hate going back to no 
physical volume control. 

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Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just a note,
> There are a product you can get that is a silicon strap like a shoe lace 
> almost that has little socket like things at the ends that you can put the 
> airpods in to or the stems of the airpods and they hold them around if you 
> have them fall out of your ears,
> 
> The only real issue is that you have to take the pods out of them to put them 
> back in to the charging case.
> 
> But they cost a few bucks from amazon and come in multiple colours
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
> Yates
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:31 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, I’m 
> not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit properly 
> but anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter 
>> would have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I 
>> think Apple did a great job with this I see people walking around with 
>> bows, Sony, or beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these 
>> things are just plain space gray
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>>> would know what they are.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>>>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>>> 
>>>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Love in Christ
>>>>> Marty
>>>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, 

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
They don’t have any logo. That’s the beauty. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
At least they won’t fall out when working like AirPod Pro’s would. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> In my part of the state, we had about 8 to 10 inches of snow this year, which 
> is highly unusual.  I think the cities main elevation  is around 150 feet.
> The hills around here can get up to 1000 or 1200 feet and get a bit more 
> snow, but again that is very rare.
> We have gone several years with no snow and only a handful of nights that got 
> down to freezing.
>  
> And, I am not one to wear headphones outside anyway.
>  
> The number of days that stay at or below even 35° are very few.
> Summers, we rarely get to 100.  So, in reality, around Portland, they are 
> probably going to survive the elements if one wanted to walk around with them.
>  
> I plan to use them on our back patio when the weather is comfortable and dry 
> and I don’t have to be digging up weeds or pruning roses, etc.
>  
> Later,
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Richard,
>  
> In your state,
> Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter 
> months?
>  
> So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
> during these times,
>  
> Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
> I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
> Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.
>  
> Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature 
> range for these bad boys?
> You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
> would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
> would defeat the transparency mode….
>  
> Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
> in that case anyway.
>  
> Enjoy,
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
> want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as 
> far as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
> girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
> mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
> Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
> that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
> content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX 
> feature. But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for 
> the afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky 
> about Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty 
> options I would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise 
> canceling. But I might consider going back to just using the pros to run 
> around with. I can always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to 
> encounter weather, although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So 
> for me, it boils down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, 
> and content play back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who 
> chooses to live on the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said 
> I’m enjoying the conversation
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
In my part of the state, we had about 8 to 10 inches of snow this year, which 
is highly unusual.  I think the cities main elevation  is around 150 feet.
The hills around here can get up to 1000 or 1200 feet and get a bit more snow, 
but again that is very rare.
We have gone several years with no snow and only a handful of nights that got 
down to freezing.

And, I am not one to wear headphones outside anyway.

The number of days that stay at or below even 35° are very few.
Summers, we rarely get to 100.  So, in reality, around Portland, they are 
probably going to survive the elements if one wanted to walk around with them.

I plan to use them on our back patio when the weather is comfortable and dry 
and I don’t have to be digging up weeds or pruning roses, etc.

Later,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Richard,

In your state,
Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter months?

So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
during these times,

Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7Caa2ea63aad104dae90d508d8f310d46d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637526600893302849%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=8AAyuxINLzEK7DurUo%2Fpaos5ONXsJLYGkiiUN0HD%2F0Q%3D=0>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just k

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
Hi Simon,
You know what they say when you assume, right?

I just had my sighted wife examine them carefully and there is no Apple logo 
anywhere.

But, as she pointed out, no one makes headphones like these other than Apple.

Later,


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Richard,

In your state,
Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter months?

So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
during these times,

Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linked

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Christopher,

That’s the issue,

It isn’t you that is likely to be stupid and make a mistake
But the drivers of the vehicles that we have to be concerned about.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:17 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I think I’d mostly encounter electric cars and bicycles at intersections, where 
I’m going to be more vigilant anyway, but I’m not stupid, and if I thought my 
ability to react to what was going on around me would be compromised by wearing 
Airpods then I wouldn’t be wearing them. I do have Aftershokz, which I find are 
plenty good enough with respect to fidelity, and Bose Frames if I want 
something with better fidelity or more style, and which are my go to devices 
when I’m out and about anyway. I do keep my Airpod Pros with me when I’m out, 
even if I grab my Bose Frames. Because they’re so portable and give me options 
like noise cancellation when I’m in a noisy restaurant. I’d have plenty of 
situations to use my Airpods with transparency mode turned out though where I’d 
feel perfectly safe though. This doesn’t mean I’m ignoring my situational 
awareness or telling others that it’s OK to wear Airpods under all 
circumstances! 


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi,

Just a note,
There are a product you can get that is a silicon strap like a shoe lace almost 
that has little socket like things at the ends that you can put the airpods in 
to or the stems of the airpods and they hold them around if you have them fall 
out of your ears,

The only real issue is that you have to take the pods out of them to put them 
back in to the charging case.

But they cost a few bucks from amazon and come in multiple colours 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan Yates
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, I’m 
not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit properly but 
anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter 
> would have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I 
> think Apple did a great job with this I see people walking around with 
> bows, Sony, or beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these 
> things are just plain space gray
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>> would know what they are.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Love in Christ
>>>> Marty
>>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>>> 
>>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>>> Mich.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>>> in public when active outside
>>>> 
>>>> Ok. G

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
AirPod Max is a whole different beast, then AirPod pro. You can’t lose one side

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
> 
> I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, 
> I’m not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit 
> properly but anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter would 
>> have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I think Apple 
>> did a great job with this I see people walking around with bows, Sony, or 
>> beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these things are just 
>> plain space gray
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
>>> Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>>> public when active outside
>>> 
>>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>>> would know what they are.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>>>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> Pete Nalda
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>>> 
>>>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Love in Christ
>>>>> Marty
>>>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. 
>>>>> from Mich.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>>>> in public when active outside
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency 

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Loved your measurement oriented description, I’m not good at that. I’ve never 
actually weighed them  but see my comment about being heavy enough to use as a 
weapon. I also advise on going and trying them out! I was hooked just by 
reading reviews. Little did I know I’d get so spoiled!  “Each to his own”, said 
the old man before he kissed the cow  浪

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I Pam,
> Since the old Airpods fit in your ear, these are probably 30 or 40 or more 
> times as large, grin.
> They completely cover your ears.  The ear cups are padded and your ear fits 
> inside them so the pads are touching your head around your ears, not on your 
> ears.
> I suppose if someone had extraordinarily large ears they might press on 
> them...
> 
> The ear pieces are made of metal and are approximately 4 inches tall and 3.5 
> inches wide and the metal part is almost an inch thick, then the padded piece 
> is about 3/4 inches thick.
> The band that goes over your head is made up of two metal bars that have a 
> nice mesh between them that sits on your head and distributes the weight so 
> they do not feel that heavy on your head, though when you hold them, they are 
> surprisingly heavy. 
> The adjustment for the earpieces is also metal and seems to hold the position 
> you set it at quite well.
> You really have to have them in your hands to fully appreciate them, but I 
> hope that helps.
> 
> If you have an Apple store in your area that opens up, I'd say go and check 
> them out.
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, 
> but can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older 
> airpods?  Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about 
> replacing mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> Fr

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Thank you, Richard.  Very nicely described.  Since I hadn't looked into them at 
all, I had no idea they were so different.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I Pam,
Since the old Airpods fit in your ear, these are probably 30 or 40 or more 
times as large, grin.
They completely cover your ears.  The ear cups are padded and your ear fits 
inside them so the pads are touching your head around your ears, not on your 
ears.
I suppose if someone had extraordinarily large ears they might press on them...

The ear pieces are made of metal and are approximately 4 inches tall and 3.5 
inches wide and the metal part is almost an inch thick, then the padded piece 
is about 3/4 inches thick.
The band that goes over your head is made up of two metal bars that have a nice 
mesh between them that sits on your head and distributes the weight so they do 
not feel that heavy on your head, though when you hold them, they are 
surprisingly heavy. 
The adjustment for the earpieces is also metal and seems to hold the position 
you set it at quite well.
You really have to have them in your hands to fully appreciate them, but I hope 
that helps.

If you have an Apple store in your area that opens up, I'd say go and check 
them out.

Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C39877c822bf040eeaf9608d8f2e0689c%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C1%7C637526392929059466%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=zlchhi%2Bi2Dvon07JEejUvZln5s78Oi5aKrpdIbn5K%2Bo%3Dreserved=0



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well d

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Dan Yates
I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, I’m 
not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit properly but 
anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter would 
> have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I think Apple 
> did a great job with this I see people walking around with bows, Sony, or 
> beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these things are just plain 
> space gray
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
>> Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>> would know what they are.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Love in Christ
>>>> Marty
>>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>>> 
>>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>>> Mich.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>>> in public when active outside
>>>> 
>>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>>> compliance kind of person.
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>> --

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
I Pam,
Since the old Airpods fit in your ear, these are probably 30 or 40 or more 
times as large, grin.
They completely cover your ears.  The ear cups are padded and your ear fits 
inside them so the pads are touching your head around your ears, not on your 
ears.
I suppose if someone had extraordinarily large ears they might press on them...

The ear pieces are made of metal and are approximately 4 inches tall and 3.5 
inches wide and the metal part is almost an inch thick, then the padded piece 
is about 3/4 inches thick.
The band that goes over your head is made up of two metal bars that have a nice 
mesh between them that sits on your head and distributes the weight so they do 
not feel that heavy on your head, though when you hold them, they are 
surprisingly heavy. 
The adjustment for the earpieces is also metal and seems to hold the position 
you set it at quite well.
You really have to have them in your hands to fully appreciate them, but I hope 
that helps.

If you have an Apple store in your area that opens up, I'd say go and check 
them out.

Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter would have 
to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I think Apple did a 
great job with this I see people walking around with bows, Sony, or beats, and 
the product name is visibly noticeable these things are just plain space gray

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Oh yes quite a bit larger, and yes they do cover your ears but they are very 
gentle about it, not muffling the sound much at all. They are also quite heavy, 
but you never know it because they are so comfortable. I don’t think it would 
be very good for them, but in a confrontational situation, I think you could 
snatch them off and use them as a weapon and knock somebody in the back of the 
head with them. I’ll kidding aside, they are quite a different beast then the 
other AirPods

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, 
> but can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older 
> airpods?  Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about 
> replacing mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or 
>> less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
>> Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>>> public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Yup!

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Pete,
> So, are you saying in your signature, "Good Day mates," in Basque?
> 
> Nice,
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize that, 
probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried about white 
Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how much more safe 
I'd feel just because they were black.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
Pete,
So, are you saying in your signature, "Good Day mates," in Basque?

Nice,

Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

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Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message----- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or 
> less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
I find, that with the AirPod max, you can get more bass, even at a lower 
volume, than you ever could with the AirPod pros, those really lose bass at 
lower volumes

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Lucky for me, I have ears shaped in such a way that once I get the right tip 
> on the Airpod Pros, there's no anger of them popping out. I find the sound 
> quality on my Airpod Pros to be pretty impressive, but I am intrigued by 
> these comments on how much better the Maxes sound.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Certainly something to think about, I was fine using my AirPod Pro’s 
> mobilizing, but the sound in the Max just spoils me!  It’s like augmented 
> reality!  And those darn AirPod Pro’s have been prone to popping out!  
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
>> street with them on.
>> You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
>> I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no 
>> true depth persception.
>> You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the 
>> distance or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
>> That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice 
>> for walking since your ears are completely unhindered.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>> 
>> 
>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
>> shouldn’t do that!”  
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my 
>>> Airpod Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose 
>>> Frames or my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes 
>>> outside, but as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and 
>>> congested areas, by turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the 
>>> occasional updates from my GPS system.
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
>>> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
>>> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked 
>>> before even asking a simple question.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> I'm not saying I would do it often
>>> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although 
>>> I could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan 
>>> or black sabith at the time.
>>> 
>>> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
>>> close to the end of the road,
>>> 
>>> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
>>> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with 
>>> re

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I think I’d mostly encounter electric cars and bicycles at intersections, where 
I’m going to be more vigilant anyway, but I’m not stupid, and if I thought my 
ability to react to what was going on around me would be compromised by wearing 
Airpods then I wouldn’t be wearing them. I do have Aftershokz, which I find are 
plenty good enough with respect to fidelity, and Bose Frames if I want 
something with better fidelity or more style, and which are my go to devices 
when I’m out and about anyway. I do keep my Airpod Pros with me when I’m out, 
even if I grab my Bose Frames. Because they’re so portable and give me options 
like noise cancellation when I’m in a noisy restaurant. I’d have plenty of 
situations to use my Airpods with transparency mode turned out though where I’d 
feel perfectly safe though. This doesn’t mean I’m ignoring my situational 
awareness or telling others that it’s OK to wear Airpods under all 
circumstances! 


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda

Twitter: @lpnalda



> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda&qu

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or 
> less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -----Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Again, my post about controlling instant playback stopping or volume dropping. 
And no electric cars on sidewalks, and again my girth can wipeout a scooter. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And electric cars?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 
> Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
> these on.
> But, what about bicycles?
>  
> Later,
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere 
> if they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin 
> there are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside 
> and absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind 
> of hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain
>  
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
>  
> > On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> >
> > I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of 
> > someone trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are 
> > water resistant.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> > Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in
> > public when active outside
> >
> >
> > Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
> > brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
> > fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
> > is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
> > without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
> > compliance kind of person.
> >
> > Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda

Twitter: @lpnalda



> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>>

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. G

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 
> Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
> these on.
> But, what about bicycles?
>  
> Later,
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere 
> if they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin 
> there are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside 
> and absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind 
> of hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain
>  
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
>  
> > On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> >
> > I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of 
> > someone trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are 
> > water resistant.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> > Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in
> > public when active outside
> >
> >
> > Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
> > brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
> > fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
> > is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
> > without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
> > compliance kind of person.
> >
> > Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> > Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
And electric cars?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda

Twitter: @lpnalda



> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>>

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.

>

> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda

> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda

> Twitter: @lpnalda

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or less 
likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

That’s why I got the space grey ones. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
> wrote:
> 
> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
> 
> 
> 
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Lucky for me, I have ears shaped in such a way that once I get the right tip on 
the Airpod Pros, there's no anger of them popping out. I find the sound quality 
on my Airpod Pros to be pretty impressive, but I am intrigued by these comments 
on how much better the Maxes sound.

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Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Certainly something to think about, I was fine using my AirPod Pro’s 
mobilizing, but the sound in the Max just spoils me!  It’s like augmented 
reality!  And those darn AirPod Pro’s have been prone to popping out!  

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
> street with them on.
> You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
> I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
> depth persception.
> You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the 
> distance or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
> That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice 
> for walking since your ears are completely unhindered.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
> shouldn’t do that!”  
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my 
>> Airpod Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose 
>> Frames or my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes 
>> outside, but as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and 
>> congested areas, by turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the 
>> occasional updates from my GPS system.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
>> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
>> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
>> even asking a simple question.
>> 
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> I'm not saying I would do it often
>> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although 
>> I could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan 
>> or black sabith at the time.
>> 
>> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
>> close to the end of the road,
>> 
>> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
>> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with 
>> regard to traffic and people.
>> 
>> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
>> audio off.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@google

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

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Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
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> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.

>

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found something 
from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to me to ask 
if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square that day and 
I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
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To: 
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Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
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> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
I'm glad bonnie remember to point out the water issue.
There are slits for the external microphones, two of which are on the tops of 
the ear pieces.
That would be a recipe for disaster.
If you have Apple Care, they may fix them once, but I would never take them 
outside unless I was just sitting on our patio on a clear day.



Richard

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It's not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora's box, I'll admit, I'm kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Andy Baracco
I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Nalda" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
compliance kind of person.


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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Brad Snyder
There is a slight delay when using transparency mode.
Even with my AirPod pros, I would never consider using them when walking out 
and about in public. I think this is asking for trouble.

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2021, at 09:28, Richard Turner  wrote:

While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
street with them on.
You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
depth persception.
You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the distance 
or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice for 
walking since your ears are completely unhindered.


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
shouldn’t do that!”  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
> Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
> my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but 
> as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
> turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from 
> my GPS system.
> 
> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
> even asking a simple question.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> I'm not saying I would do it often
> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
> could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
> black sabith at the time.
> 
> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
> close to the end of the road,
> 
> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
> to traffic and people.
> 
> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
> audio off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Rizzino, Bonnie
The transparency mode is wonderful, but wouldn't wear them outside as Apple 
makes a definite statement that they are not waterproof.

Bonnie Rizzino 
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Pittsburgh, PA 15219
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Yes, someone could walk up behind you and brab them. I would never wear them 
when walking around. I would also be careful even when sitting down in a public 
place. Perhaps I will feel differently after a while, but I would rather error 
on the side of caution as they say.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I would be afraid that someone would steel them.



Love in Christ
Marty
The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
-Original Message-
From: Mich Verrier
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Certainly something to think about, I was fine using my AirPod Pro’s 
mobilizing, but the sound in the Max just spoils me!  It’s like augmented 
reality!  And those darn AirPod Pro’s have been prone to popping out!  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
> street with them on.
> You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
> I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
> depth persception.
> You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the 
> distance or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
> That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice 
> for walking since your ears are completely unhindered.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
> shouldn’t do that!”  
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my 
>> Airpod Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose 
>> Frames or my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes 
>> outside, but as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and 
>> congested areas, by turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the 
>> occasional updates from my GPS system.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
>> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
>> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
>> even asking a simple question.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> I'm not saying I would do it often
>> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although 
>> I could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan 
>> or black sabith at the time.
>> 
>> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
>> close to the end of the road,
>> 
>> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
>> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with 
>> regard to traffic and people.
>> 
>> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
>> audio off.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>&g

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Richard Turner
While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the street 
with them on.
You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
depth persception.
You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the distance 
or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice for 
walking since your ears are completely unhindered.


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
shouldn’t do that!”  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
> Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
> my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but 
> as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
> turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from 
> my GPS system.
> 
> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
> even asking a simple question.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> I'm not saying I would do it often
> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
> could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
> black sabith at the time.
> 
> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
> close to the end of the road,
> 
> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
> to traffic and people.
> 
> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
> audio off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
shouldn’t do that!”  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
> Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
> my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but 
> as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
> turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from 
> my GPS system.
> 
> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
> even asking a simple question.
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I'm not saying I would do it often
> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
> could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
> black sabith at the time.
> 
> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got close to 
> the end of the road,
> 
> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
> to traffic and people.
> 
> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
> audio off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
> Verrier
> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
That’s why I got the space grey ones. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
> wrote:
> 
> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
> 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Les Kriegler
Yes, someone could walk up behind you and brab them. I would never wear them 
when walking around. I would also be careful even when sitting down in a public 
place. Perhaps I will feel differently after a while, but I would rather error 
on the side of caution as they say.
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I would be afraid that someone would steel them.



Love in Christ
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-Original Message-
From: Mich Verrier
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Marty Hutchings

I would be afraid that someone would steel them.



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-Original Message- 
From: Mich Verrier

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
compliance kind of person.


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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but as 
Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from my 
GPS system.

I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the original 
message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" before, and 
I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before even asking a 
simple question.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I'm not saying I would do it often
But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
black sabith at the time.

 And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got close to 
the end of the road,

 I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
to traffic and people.

Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
audio off.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
person. 

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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Pete Nalda
Yeah, ok. Good point in your case Mich, as I’ll state I’m a high partial, 
mainly using my guide dog for depth perception compensation, and feeling 
terrain changes. Something I could’ve revealed in my original post. Also, will 
reveal, I’m not always listening to music. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 3:16 AM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I'm not saying I would do it often 
But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
could walk around playing music 
I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or black sabith at the time.

 And crossing an uncontrolled intersection,
I gave a try but that got close to the end of the road,

 I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me,
They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
to traffic and people.

Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
audio off.

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Verrier
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

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Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
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Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
person. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

2021-03-29 Thread Mich Verrier
Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

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Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
person. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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