subject:"RE\: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky"

Arnold, thank you very much. That was very nice of you.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I just talked to Apple Accessibility again, and told them about your 
> workaround, Dianne. And I let them know that you came up with it, I didn't 
> want the credit. I didn't give them any identifying information about you, 
> except your name, and the fact that I read it on the viphone email list, but 
> hey, you ought to win something. They agree that it should point them in the 
> right direction to fix it in a future update. This list comes through again. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> Thank you 
> Arnold, glad I could be of some help.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> 
>> Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
>> way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns 
>> it off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the 
>> rotor does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today 
>> and tell them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get 
>> turning it off in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
>> 
>>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
>> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
>> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
>> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
>> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
>> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
>> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
>> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know 
>> if anyone tries it and good luck.
>> 
>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>> 
>>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is 
>>> kind of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their 
>>> phone. That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they 
>>> consider to be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, 
>>> and at least in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make 
>>> it configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>>> be reported to Apple.
>>>  
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Angie Nutt
>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>>  
>>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>>  
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>>  
>>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>>> 
>>> Be well,
>>> Wayne Merritt
>>> 
>>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>>> older phones.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>>> To:

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Maria Campbell


Thank you.  That was easy.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 11/20/2020 6:50 PM, Reg Sullivan wrote:

I figured it out.  Go to Voice over, tap on  verbosity and  roter actions and 
turn sceen description  to off.

  


Sorry if this has been posted already.

  


Regards….Reg

  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  


Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much.

Arnold Schmidt

  


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti mailto:diane1lu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if 
I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!





On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver stops 
speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

  


--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Angie Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  


I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

  


All the best

Angie






On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  


I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis < <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> 
deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:




Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
older phones.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
what it is.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>
<mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
pro

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Reg Sullivan

I figured it out.  Go to Voice over, tap on  verbosity and  roter actions and 
turn sceen description  to off.

 

Sorry if this has been posted already.

 

Regards….Reg

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti mailto:diane1lu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if 
I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!





On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver stops 
speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Angie Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

 

All the best

Angie






On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis < <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> 
deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:




Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
older phones.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
what it is.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
&

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Andy Baracco

That sounds like an awful lot of work.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna Casteen 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  If people would take the time & do what has been suggested, rather gripe & 
complain, the problem would have been solved days ago for you. 

  Here goes once again

  Go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, rotor & add screen recognition & 
image description. Why do this? In case you should find yourself in a situation 
in which these controls would be helpful. With these controls in the rotor, 
they are easily accessible, literally right at your fingertips. Using the flick 
gesture these controls can be toggled On/Off in the rotor. If you Do Not 
foresee yourself using these controls, make sure to remove the controls from 
the rotor, so that you don’t accidentally turn the controls on.  (For those 
with older phones, in the rotor setting add images & describe images to the 
rotor, by tapping on each item to select it. By turning the rotor to these 
controls, a flick will toggle the controls on/off.)

  Now go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, voice recognition. Tap to open 
image description. Here you can turn off image description, change how 
sensitive content is displayed & in which apps, if any, you want to use image 
description. Go back to voice recognition. Tap on screen recognition. Here you 
can turn off screen recognition, choose which apps, if any, you want to use 
screen recognition. (I have all apps unselected) Go back to voice recognition & 
tap to toggle text recognition on/off. When Off text in pictures will Not be 
recognized. 

  Go back to voice recognition, tap on Feedback Style. Here you can choose how 
images & text are presented to you; by speak, sound or none.

  This should solve the “night sky” spoken problem.

  Donna

  will

  Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it 
off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor 
does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell 
them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off 
in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I 
don’t get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have 
it if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in 
there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or 
off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click 
it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and 
you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone 
tries it and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

  On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:

  I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

  --

  Christopher (AKA CJ)

  Chaltain at Gmail

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Angie Nutt
  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

  All the best

  Angie

On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Donna Casteen

If people would take the time & do what has been suggested, rather gripe & 
complain, the problem would have been solved days ago for you. 

Here goes once again

Go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, rotor & add screen recognition & 
image description. Why do this? In case you should find yourself in a situation 
in which these controls would be helpful. With these controls in the rotor, 
they are easily accessible, literally right at your fingertips. Using the flick 
gesture these controls can be toggled On/Off in the rotor. If you Do Not 
foresee yourself using these controls, make sure to remove the controls from 
the rotor, so that you don’t accidentally turn the controls on.  (For those 
with older phones, in the rotor setting add images & describe images to the 
rotor, by tapping on each item to select it. By turning the rotor to these 
controls, a flick will toggle the controls on/off.)

Now go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, voice recognition. Tap to open 
image description. Here you can turn off image description, change how 
sensitive content is displayed & in which apps, if any, you want to use image 
description. Go back to voice recognition. Tap on screen recognition. Here you 
can turn off screen recognition, choose which apps, if any, you want to use 
screen recognition. (I have all apps unselected) Go back to voice recognition & 
tap to toggle text recognition on/off. When Off text in pictures will Not be 
recognized. 

Go back to voice recognition, tap on Feedback Style. Here you can choose how 
images & text are presented to you; by speak, sound or none.

This should solve the “night sky” spoken problem.

Donna

will

Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if 
> anyone tries it and good luck.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
>> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
>> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to 
>> be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least 
>> in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it 
>> configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>> be reported to Apple.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>  
>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>  
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>  
>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>> 
>> Be well,
>>

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Arnold Schmidt

I just talked to Apple Accessibility again, and told them about your 
workaround, Dianne. And I let them know that you came up with it, I didn't want 
the credit. I didn't give them any identifying information about you, except 
your name, and the fact that I read it on the viphone email list, but hey, you 
ought to win something. They agree that it should point them in the right 
direction to fix it in a future update. This list comes through again. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:

Thank you 
Arnold, glad I could be of some help.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
> way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns 
> it off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the 
> rotor does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today 
> and tell them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get 
> turning it off in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if 
> anyone tries it and good luck.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
>> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
>> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to 
>> be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least 
>> in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it 
>> configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>> be reported to Apple.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>  
>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>  
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>  
>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>> older phones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
>> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
>> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
>> what it is.
>

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Thank you 
Arnold, glad I could be of some help.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a 
> way to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns 
> it off. It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the 
> rotor does something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today 
> and tell them what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get 
> turning it off in settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
>   Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
> get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it 
> if I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked 
> is to put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it 
> in there and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on 
> or off. So if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just 
> click it off. You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says 
> off and you will be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if 
> anyone tries it and good luck.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
>> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
>> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
>> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to 
>> be frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least 
>> in the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it 
>> configurable. Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve 
>> tried to turn off settings like image recognition then it should definitely 
>> be reported to Apple.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>>  
>> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
>> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>>  
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>  
>> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
>> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
>> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
>> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
>> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
>> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>> older phones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
>> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
>> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
>> what it is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis > <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
>> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>> 
>> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
>> probably j

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Arnold Schmidt

Well,  by god, Dianne, that is a way to fix it! Now, there just has to be a way 
to turn off image description globally in the way that swiping up turns it off. 
It is off in settings already, but that swiping up when it is in the rotor does 
something else. I will write to Apple Accessibility later today and tell them 
what you figured out. Maybe they will then know how to get turning it off in 
settings will really turn it off. Thank you very much. 
Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t 
get annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if 
I could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
> frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
> the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
> Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
> settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to 
> Apple.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>  
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
> older phones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
> what it is.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> 
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, i

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  Sorry, but that message went out before I had a chance to fix it. I don’t get 
annoyed with that nice guy Or whatever, but would prefer not to have it if I 
could have the option. I put this on  before. The option I found worked is to 
put describe image In your rotor.  Rotor  has it where you can put it in there 
and when it’s in there it says if you Flick up or down it’ll say on or off. So 
if you are in some thing that you do not want that to say, just click it off. 
You don’t have to go in it, but you just go to where it says off and you will 
be fine. At least, that is what works for me. Let me know if anyone tries it 
and good luck.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
> frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
> the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
> Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
> settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to 
> Apple.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>  
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
> older phones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
> what it is.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> 
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
&g

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I didn’t get annoyed With it to have it say the images but I would prefer it 
not especially when I’m in the middle of a game. I put the sun before and don’t 
know if anyone tried it or not, but, what I did was to put describe images on 
my rotor end it will either say on or off when you’re in a

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver 
> stops speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind 
> of interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. 
> That being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
> frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
> the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
> Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
> settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to 
> Apple.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
> whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>  
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
> older phones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
> what it is.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> 
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
> 
> 
> 
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
> 
> 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOv

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I kind of feel the same way. It’s not like I have to wait until VoiceOver stops 
speaking before I can touch or swipe to the next thing, and it is kind of 
interesting to know what others are seeing when they look at their phone. That 
being said, I get it when people are annoyed by what they consider to be 
frivolous chatter, which is why this should be configurable, and at least in 
the case of image recognition, Apple’s intent was to make it configurable. 
Therefore, if you’re still hearing this text after you’ve tried to turn off 
settings like image recognition then it should definitely be reported to Apple.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

 

All the best

Angie





On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis < <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> 
deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:



Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
older phones.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
 On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
what it is.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
-> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky



I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favori

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-20 Thread Angie Nutt

I don’t find it intrusive either; if anything it’s fascinating. I wonder 
whether it’s trying to recognise the icons on whatever screen I’m on.

All the best
Angie

> On 18 Nov 2020, at 22:26, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
> I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
> have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
> it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
> not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
> I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
>> older phones.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
>> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
>> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
>> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
>> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
>> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
>> what it is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis > <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
>> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>> 
>> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
>> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> > On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
>> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
>> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
>> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
>> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
>> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
>> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
>> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
>> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
>> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain > <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
>> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> 
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> > On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM

Apple Accessibility Update, was Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-19 Thread Arnold Schmidt

The short answer is they don't yet know what is going on. I was not able to 
talk directly with the advisor who originally took my complaint, but the person 
whom I did talk to looked into my account and that was the result he would have 
given me. Let's hope they can figure it out. 

Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:


Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
 
--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:


I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.
 
Viola
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
“night sky”
 
Anyone out there know what it represents?
 
Regards…..Reg
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
Hello Listers,
 
What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?
 
Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?
 
Noe
 
 
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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-19 Thread Mickey Quenzer

It has been my experience with the new features trying to help us with images 
that we now have to work on finding the images that make no sense and try to 
weed them out.
There should be some kind of process to look at all image descriptions in 
theapps and make the text descriptions correct.
Unfortunately this technology is new and is going to have weird  consequences.
Just be patient sorry about the chatter LOL!


*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Kimber 
Gardner 
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:48:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

It's extra chatter that I prefer not to hear especially since the info
is of absolutely no practical use.

Kim

On 11/19/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Ok, so a lot of people are seeing / hearing this spoken
>
> But does it really matter that it’s being spoken or are we just looking for
> an issue to talk about?
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty
> hevener
> Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 3:00 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
> I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and
> tonight, it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested
> earlier in thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water,
> or god knows what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to
> pinpoint any patterns yet.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Robin Frost
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
> HI,
>
> I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and
> I encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of
> navigation or touch.
>
> Robin
>
>
> On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
> It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch.
> Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I
> encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really
> makes a difference.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain
> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described
> when exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a
> work around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the
> issue.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> Robin Frost
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
> Hi Deb and all,
>
> I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have
> been extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling
> works best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them
> aware of this people can also email them at:
>
> accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>
>
> as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.
>
> I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned
> on as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on
> an iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it
> doesn't seem to be specific to one generation of phone.
>
> I do hope it gets fixed soon.
>
> Take good care.
>
> Robin
>
>
> On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-19 Thread Kimber Gardner

It's extra chatter that I prefer not to hear especially since the info
is of absolutely no practical use.

Kim

On 11/19/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Ok, so a lot of people are seeing / hearing this spoken
>
> But does it really matter that it’s being spoken or are we just looking for
> an issue to talk about?
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty
> hevener
> Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 3:00 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
> I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and
> tonight, it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested
> earlier in thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water,
> or god knows what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to
> pinpoint any patterns yet.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Robin Frost
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
> HI,
>
> I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and
> I encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of
> navigation or touch.
>
> Robin
>
>
> On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
> It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch.
> Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I
> encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really
> makes a difference.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain
> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described
> when exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a
> work around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the
> issue.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> Robin Frost
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
> Hi Deb and all,
>
> I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have
> been extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling
> works best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them
> aware of this people can also email them at:
>
> accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>
>
> as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.
>
> I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned
> on as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on
> an iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it
> doesn't seem to be specific to one generation of phone.
>
> I do hope it gets fixed soon.
>
> Take good care.
>
> Robin
>
>
> On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Chr

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Have you called Apple Accessibility? Maybe they have a solution, I don't see it 
on my iPhone 11 at least no on the lock screen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I find it distracting and am looking for a way to get rid of it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Ok, so a lot of people are seeing / hearing this spoken

But does it really matter that it’s being spoken or are we just looking for an 
issue to talk about?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 3:00 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and tonight, 
it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested earlier in 
thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or god knows 
what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to pinpoint any 
patterns yet.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

HI,

I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

Robin

On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:
Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

If there is extra verbage you don't like and there is no way to get rid of it, 
e.g. it is still spoken even with image description off then you need to report 
it to Apple Accessibility.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Viola 
Bentson
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

To all, I'm not one to say me too, I don't like such messages, but this is 
pretty annoying. I'm totally blind too, but I don't want to hear this. I have 
to listen to enough stuff.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Wayne, I have thesirius xm ap as well.  I am not sure if I heard those things 
before 14.2.  One thing I have noticed since installing sirius xm ap is that 
will hear a musical alarm.  I did not set any alarm.  It seems to go off 
randomly.  Have u heard that?  I swear, am beginning to wonder if my phone is 
possessed lolol!!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I have an 
iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since it is not what I'm 
listening for and extra information. Plus, it does not seem that intrusive to 
me, just a short blurb added onto whatever I'm doing. I can see how it would 
get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for 
> the older phones.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to 
> it. If you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else 
> running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have 
> the image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the 
> image feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting 
> to know just what it is.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the 
> recognition mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so 
> I’ll probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think 
> that it might be some kind of problem with image description. When I 
> shared the screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said 
> that yes, it was trying to describe an image that was there. Turning 
> on image recognition gave a better description of the image, but 
> turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it completely off. He is 
> going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was able to 
> duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
> on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are 
> experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more complaints 
> they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out 
> Settings
> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:v

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Am totally blind too.  Just don’t like auditory clutter lolol!!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Kitty,

Sorry I’m totally blind and although I hear it, I just ignore it,

I guess if it’s something a VI person can see then I would assume it could get 
annoying 

I guess this is where we all differ in how we treat things.

Cheers,

Simon F

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
kitty hevener
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 6:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I find it distracting and am looking for a way to get rid of it.  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Ok, so a lot of people are seeing / hearing this spoken 

But does it really matter that it’s being spoken or are we just looking for an 
issue to talk about?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of kitty hevener
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 3:00 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and tonight, 
it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested earlier in 
thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or god knows 
what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to pinpoint any 
patterns yet.  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

HI,

I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

Robin

On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.  

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:

Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and show

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Viola Bentson

To all, I'm not one to say me too, I don't like such messages, but this is 
pretty annoying. I'm totally blind too, but I don't want to hear this. I have 
to listen to enough stuff.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Wayne, I have thesirius xm ap as well.  I am not sure if I heard those things 
before 14.2.  One thing I have noticed since installing sirius xm ap is that 
will hear a musical alarm.  I did not set any alarm.  It seems to go off 
randomly.  Have u heard that?  I swear, am beginning to wonder if my phone is 
possessed lolol!!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I have an 
iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since it is not what I'm 
listening for and extra information. Plus, it does not seem that intrusive to 
me, just a short blurb added onto whatever I'm doing. I can see how it would 
get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for 
> the older phones.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to 
> it. If you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else 
> running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have 
> the image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the 
> image feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting 
> to know just what it is.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the 
> recognition mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so 
> I’ll probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think 
> that it might be some kind of problem with image description. When I 
> shared the screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said 
> that yes, it was trying to describe an image that was there. Turning 
> on image recognition gave a better description of the image, but 
> turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it completely off. He is 
> going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was able to 
> duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
> on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are 
> experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more complaints 
> they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out 
> Settings
> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is 
> attempting to describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be 
> its favorite, it has told me such things as adult, moon, document, 
> sunglasses, and baseball hat.
> I have everything that remotely might be re

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Wayne, I have thesirius xm ap as well.  I am not sure if I heard those things 
before 14.2.  One thing I have noticed since installing sirius xm ap is that 
will hear a musical alarm.  I did not set any alarm.  It seems to go off 
randomly.  Have u heard that?  I swear, am beginning to wonder if my phone is 
possessed lolol!!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I have an 
iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since it is not what I'm 
listening for and extra information. Plus, it does not seem that intrusive to 
me, just a short blurb added onto whatever I'm doing. I can see how it would 
get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for 
> the older phones.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to 
> it. If you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else 
> running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have 
> the image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the 
> image feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting 
> to know just what it is.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the 
> recognition mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so 
> I’ll probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think 
> that it might be some kind of problem with image description. When I 
> shared the screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said 
> that yes, it was trying to describe an image that was there. Turning 
> on image recognition gave a better description of the image, but 
> turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it completely off. He is 
> going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was able to 
> duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
> on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are 
> experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more complaints 
> they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out 
> Settings
> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is 
> attempting to describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be 
> its favorite, it has told me such things as adult, moon, document, 
> sunglasses, and baseball hat.
> I have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, 
> speak screen, etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 
> 20, running 14.2. I wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 
> phones? I have tried twice today to get in touch with Apple 
> Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before disconnecting, nobody 
> answered. I will keep trying.
>
>
>
> Arno

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Yes, but I get the messages even though weathergods is not active.  Good 
thinking, though.  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Do you have the app Weather Gods?

Andy

- Original Message - 

From: kitty hevener <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:00 PM

Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and tonight, 
it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested earlier in 
thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or god knows 
what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to pinpoint any 
patterns yet.  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

HI,

I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

Robin

On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.  

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:

Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@go

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Diane Giannetti

Sorry about the mistake I made I said if you have describe image in your 
brother it should have been rotor. LOL. That’s what I get for not checking it 
over first. LOL.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> Brother,

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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Hi Kitty,

Sorry I’m totally blind and although I hear it, I just ignore it,

I guess if it’s something a VI person can see then I would assume it could get 
annoying

I guess this is where we all differ in how we treat things.

Cheers,

Simon F



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 6:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I find it distracting and am looking for a way to get rid of it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Ok, so a lot of people are seeing / hearing this spoken

But does it really matter that it’s being spoken or are we just looking for an 
issue to talk about?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 3:00 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and tonight, 
it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested earlier in 
thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or god knows 
what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to pinpoint any 
patterns yet.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky


HI,

I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

Robin


On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky


Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin


On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:
Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I find it distracting and am looking for a way to get rid of it.  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Ok, so a lot of people are seeing / hearing this spoken 

But does it really matter that it’s being spoken or are we just looking for an 
issue to talk about?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
kitty hevener
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 3:00 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and tonight, 
it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested earlier in 
thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or god knows 
what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to pinpoint any 
patterns yet.  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

HI,

I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

Robin

On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.  

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:

Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Ok, so a lot of people are seeing / hearing this spoken

But does it really matter that it’s being spoken or are we just looking for an 
issue to talk about?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2020 3:00 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and tonight, 
it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested earlier in 
thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or god knows 
what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to pinpoint any 
patterns yet.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

HI,

I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

Robin

On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:
Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Diane Giannetti

If you have described images in your 
Brother, whatever app you are in if you don’t want hear the description, just 
swipe up or down to where it says off and that should work.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 9:00 PM, kitty hevener  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and 
> tonight, it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested 
> earlier in thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, 
> or god knows what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to 
> pinpoint any patterns yet. 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
> Frost
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> HI,
> 
> I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
> encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation 
> or touch.
> 
> Robin
> 
>  
> 
> On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
> It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
> Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
> encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
> makes a difference. 
>  
> Arnold Schmidt 
>  
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described 
> when exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a 
> work around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the 
> issue.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
> Frost
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> Hi Deb and all,
> 
> I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
> extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
> best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware 
> of this people can also email them at:
> 
> accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.
> 
> I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned 
> on as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on 
> an iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it 
> doesn't seem to be specific to one generation of phone.
> 
> I do hope it gets fixed soon.
> 
> Take good care.
> 
> Robin
> 
>  
> 
> On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
> Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the 
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was 
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave 
> a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't 
> turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that 
> he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get 
> back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are 
> experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more complaints 
> they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt 
>  
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> 
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
> Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
> describe an image. Besides night sky which

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Andy Baracco

Do you have the app Weather Gods?

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: kitty hevener 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:00 PM
  Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and 
tonight, it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested 
earlier in thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or 
god knows what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to 
pinpoint any patterns yet.  

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
  Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  HI,

  I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

  Robin

  On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.  

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described 
when exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have 
been extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling 
works best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them 
aware of this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned 
on as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:

  Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the 
recognition mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

  Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that 
it might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the 
screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was 
trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a 
better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn 
it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

  Arnold Schmidt 

  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

  On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:

  Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out 
Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

  --

  Christopher (AKA CJ)

  Chaltain at Gmail

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting 
to describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I h

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am having the same problem.  Only, sometimes mine will say sky, and tonight, 
it said water.  I went in to voice over and made change suggested earlier in 
thread.  It did not make a difference.  It seems like sky, water, or god knows 
what else will come along, just  pop up.  Have not been able to pinpoint any 
patterns yet.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

HI,

I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my phone and I 
encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with the method of navigation or 
touch.

Robin

 

On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference.  

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:

Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with A

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Robin Frost


  
HI,
I have to agree with Arnold because all I have to do is unlock my
  phone and I encounter it so it seems to have nothing to do with
  the method of navigation or touch.
Robin


On 11/18/2020 9:12 AM, Arnold Schmidt
  wrote:


  
  It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring
  by touch. Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by
  touch, but then I encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch,
  so I don't think it really makes a difference. 
  
  
  Arnold Schmidt 
  

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

  On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain
   wrote:
  


  
  
  
For those of you having the problem, do
  you still hear the image described when exploring by touch
  or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work
  around for the issue and may give Apple support another
  clue to the issue.
 

  --
  Christopher (AKA CJ)
  Chaltain at Gmail

 

  
From:
  viphone@googlegroups.com
   On Behalf Of Robin
  Frost
  Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
  

 
Hi Deb and all,
I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple
  Accessibility have been extremely long of late. And while
  it's been my experience that calling works best I did also
  want to point out that in the interest of making them
  aware of this people can also email them at:
accessibil...@apple.com
as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a
  feasible option.
I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen
  recognition turned on as I needed it in an app image
  recognition is off. I experienced this on an iPhone 11, an
  iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it
  doesn't seem to be specific to one generation of phone.
I do hope it gets fixed soon.
Take good care.
Robin
 

  On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis
wrote:


  Yeah that makes sense except that my
phone doesn’t even have the recognition mode because
it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 
  Every time I call I’m holding 90
minutes before someone answers, so I’ll probably just
live with this, but it is truly annoying.
   
   
  

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com

On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

  
   
  I just talked to somebody at Apple
Accessibility, and he does think that it might be some
kind of problem with image description. When I shared
the screen and showed him examples of what it is doing,
he said that yes, it was trying to describe an image
that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a
better description of the image, but turning it off,  as
it were, didn't turn it completely off. He is going to
talk to somebody about it, being that he was able to
duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly
get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that
the others who are experiencing this should report it to
them, being that  the more complaints they have about a
given issue might make it seem more important.
  
 
  
  
Arnold Schmidt 
  
  
 

  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E
20


  
On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain
<chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:


  
  Isn’t this the new image
recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Se

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Wayne Merritt

I haven't really noticed this until people started talking about it.
I've gotten the "sky" information in an icon in the Sirius/XM app. I
have an iPhone 11 with iOS 14.2. Usually I ignore the sky info since
it is not what I'm listening for and extra information. Plus, it does
not seem that intrusive to me, just a short blurb added onto whatever
I'm doing. I can see how it would get annoying though.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 11/18/20, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the
> older phones.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If
> you haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2
> on an older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have
> experienced these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the
> image description stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image
> feature, in reality, is not the problem. It will be interesting to know just
> what it is.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition
> mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
>
> Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll
> probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it
> might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the
> screen and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was
> trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition
> gave a better description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were,
> didn't turn it completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it,
> being that he was able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will
> allegedly get back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
> who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that  the more
> complaints they have about a given issue might make it seem more important.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings
> -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>
>
>
> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to
> describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has
> told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.
> I have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak
> screen, etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running
> 14.2. I wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried
> twice today to get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods
> both times before disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying.
>
>
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  <mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.
>
>
>
> Viola
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Reg Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com&

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Deb Cook Lewis

Yeah I’m following up on this. All the theories are kind of blown for the older 
phones.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If you 
haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2 on an 
older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have experienced 
these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the image description 
stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image feature, in reality, is 
not the problem. It will be interesting to know just what it is. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

 

Viola

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

 

Anyone out there know what it represents?

 

Regards…..Reg

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hello Listers,

 

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

 

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

 

Noe

 

 

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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Arnold Schmidt

Deb, I was hoping I had saved this message so that I could reply to it. If you 
haven't already done so, I would urge you, and anybody else running 14.2 on an 
older phone,   to contact Apple Accessibility, being that you have experienced 
these  extra descriptions  on a phone that does not have the image description 
stuff. It may be something about 14.2, and the image feature, in reality, is 
not the problem. It will be interesting to know just what it is. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:


Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:


Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
 
--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:


I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.
 
Viola
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
“night sky”
 
Anyone out there know what it represents?
 
Regards…..Reg
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
Hello Listers,
 
What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?
 
Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?
 
Noe
 
 
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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Deb Cook Lewis

I hear it without doing anything. When I use my scale app, it reads the weight 
and then starts talking about the sky unsolicited. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 3:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:

Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

Viola

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

Anyone out there know what it represents?

Regards…..Reg

From: viphone@googlegroups

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Angie Nutt

I’m seeing this on a 10r. I’ve had: night sky, moon view and document.

All the best
Angie

> On 17 Nov 2020, at 22:57, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
> describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
> told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  
> I have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak 
> screen, etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 
> 14.2. I wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried 
> twice today to get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods 
> both times before disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.
>  
> Viola
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
> Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
> “night sky”
>  
> Anyone out there know what it represents?
>  
> Regards…..Reg
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Noe Villeda
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
>  
> Hello Listers,
>  
> What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?
>  
> Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
> with flashlight and battery usage?
>  
> Noe
>  
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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Arnold Schmidt

It doesn't make much difference whether I am swiping or exploring by touch. 
Sometimes, I think it is slightly less when exploring by touch, but then I 
encounter a bunch of it when exploring by touch, so I don't think it really 
makes a difference. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:


For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.
 
--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:
Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2.
Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:


Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
 
--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:


I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.
 
Viola
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
“night sky”
 
Anyone out there know what it represents?
 
Regards…..Reg
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
Hello Listers,
 
What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?
 
Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?
 
Noe
 
 
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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Christopher Chaltain

Go to Settings -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition, as I 
mentioned below.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

How do you turn image description off?

 

I have night mode turned off on my phone.



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

 

Viola

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

 

Anyone out there know what it represents?

 

Regards…..Reg

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hello Listers,

 

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

 

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

 

Noe

 

 

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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-18 Thread Christopher Chaltain

For those of you having the problem, do you still hear the image described when 
exploring by touch or only when swiping left and right? This may be a work 
around for the issue and may give Apple support another clue to the issue.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hi Deb and all,

I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple Accessibility have been 
extremely long of late. And while it's been my experience that calling works 
best I did also want to point out that in the interest of making them aware of 
this people can also email them at:

accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible option.

I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen recognition turned on 
as I needed it in an app image recognition is off. I experienced this on an 
iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't 
seem to be specific to one generation of phone.

I do hope it gets fixed soon.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis wrote:

Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

 

Viola

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

 

Anyone out there know what it represents?

 

Regards…..Reg

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hello Listers,

 

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

 

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with fl

Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-17 Thread Robin Frost


  
Hi Deb and all,
I too have noticed that wait times when calling Apple
  Accessibility have been extremely long of late. And while it's
  been my experience that calling works best I did also want to
  point out that in the interest of making them aware of this people
  can also email them at:
accessibil...@apple.com
as well if holding for someone on the phone isn't a feasible
  option.
I too am experiencing this issue and while I have screen
  recognition turned on as I needed it in an app image recognition
  is off. I experienced this on an iPhone 11, an iPhone 11 Pro Max
  and a 12 Pro Max  so at least by me it doesn't seem to be specific
  to one generation of phone.
I do hope it gets fixed soon.
Take good care.
Robin


On 11/17/2020 9:32 PM, Deb Cook Lewis
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Yeah that makes sense except that my phone
  doesn’t even have the recognition mode because it’s too old
  although it did get 14.2. 
Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes
  before someone answers, so I’ll probably just live with this,
  but it is truly annoying.
 
 

  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
   On Behalf Of Arnold
  Schmidt
  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
  

 
I just talked to somebody at Apple
  Accessibility, and he does think that it might be some kind of
  problem with image description. When I shared the screen and
  showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it
  was trying to describe an image that was there. Turning on
  image recognition gave a better description of the image, but
  turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it completely off. He
  is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was able
  to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get
  back to me on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others
  who are experiencing this should report it to them, being that
   the more complaints they have about a given issue might make
  it seem more important.

   


  Arnold Schmidt 


   
  
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
  
  

  On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  
  

Isn’t this the new image recognition
  feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> Accessibility
  -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
 

  --
  Christopher (AKA CJ)
  Chaltain at Gmail

 

  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
  On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
              Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
  

 
I am getting it on a lot of screens. It
  is as if VoiceOver is attempting to describe an image.
  Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has
  told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses,
  and baseball hat.  I have everything that remotely might
  be related to images, emojis, speak screen, etc turned
  off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running
  14.2. I wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20
  phones? I have tried twice today to get in touch with
  Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times
  before disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep
  trying. 

   


  Arnold Schmidt 


   
  
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
  
  

  On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson <fireka...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  
  

I do too and it’s irritating hope
  someone can tell me how to turn it off.
 
Viola
 
 

  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
  On Behalf Of Reg Sullivan

RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-17 Thread Viola Bentson

Thanks Arnold I will do that. I get it a lot!

Viola

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

Viola

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
“night sky”

Anyone out there know what it represents?

Regards…..Reg

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hello Listers,

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

Noe

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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-17 Thread Noe Villeda

How do you turn image description off?

 

I have night mode turned off on my phone.



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

 

Viola

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

 

Anyone out there know what it represents?

 

Regards…..Reg

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hello Listers,

 

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

 

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

 

Noe

 

 

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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-17 Thread Holly

Arnold:

I just opened my AIRA app and Voice Over said ‘Animal’.

Will report this to Apple accessibility.

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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Just  thinking about this,

By any chance do you guys have the night mode turned on on your devices?

Could this be a night mode related screen background which during the day 
changes to a daylight related background.

I know I get the night sky one but it doesn’t worry me as it doesn’t affect my 
screen useage etc.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Viola 
Bentson
Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2020 12:13 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hi Arnold. I have a 12 pro max and I get the same thing. And I got it before I 
had my new phone. Please let us know what you find out.

Viola


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Schmidt
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson 
mailto:fireka...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

Viola


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
“night sky”

Anyone out there know what it represents?

Regards…..Reg


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Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hello Listers,

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

Noe


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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Yeah that makes sense except that my phone doesn’t even have the recognition 
mode because it’s too old although it did get 14.2. 

Every time I call I’m holding 90 minutes before someone answers, so I’ll 
probably just live with this, but it is truly annoying.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20


On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

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On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

 

Viola

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

 

Anyone out there know what it represents?

 

Regards…..Reg

 

 

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Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hello Listers,

 

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

 

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

 

Noe

 

 

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Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-17 Thread Arnold Schmidt

I just talked to somebody at Apple Accessibility, and he does think that it 
might be some kind of problem with image description. When I shared the screen 
and showed him examples of what it is doing, he said that yes, it was trying to 
describe an image that was there. Turning on image recognition gave a better 
description of the image, but turning it off,  as it were, didn't turn it 
completely off. He is going to talk to somebody about it, being that he was 
able to duplicate the problem on his device, and will allegedly get back to me 
on Thursday, early evening. He said that the others who are experiencing this 
should report it to them, being that  the more complaints they have about a 
given issue might make it seem more important.

Arnold Schmidt 
 

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On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:


Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.
 
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Chaltain at Gmail
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:


I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.
 
Viola
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
“night sky”
 
Anyone out there know what it represents?
 
Regards…..Reg
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Noe Villeda
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky
 
Hello Listers,
 
What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?
 
Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?
 
Noe
 
 
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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Not on my phone, It’s too old for that. Mine is an 8+ and I believe you have to 
have the 10 for this, but in any case, I don’t have the option.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

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Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

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I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

 

Viola

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

 

Anyone out there know what it represents?

 

Regards…..Reg

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hello Listers,

 

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

 

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

 

Noe

 

 

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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

2020-11-17 Thread Christopher Chaltain

Isn’t this the new image recognition feature in IOS 14? Check out Settings -> 
Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> VoiceOver Recognition.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

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On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:



I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

 

Viola

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

 

Anyone out there know what it represents?

 

Regards…..Reg

 

 

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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

Hello Listers,

 

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

 

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

 

Noe

 

 

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RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Well I am getting it in my weight scale app. I’m not seeing it in any other 
app. Maybe it thinks my weight has gone sky high? It’s the only app I’m seeing 
it in.

 

 

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Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 3:15 PM
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i wonder if it has to do with detection of ambient light.

 

Andy

 

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Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

 

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying.  

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

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On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson mailto:fireka...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

Viola

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
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Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

Anyone out there know what it represents?

Regards…..Reg

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Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hello Listers,

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

Also, is there a way to take it out of the screen, so it doesn’t show along 
with flashlight and battery usage?

Noe

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2020-11-17 Thread Andy Baracco

i wonder if it has to do with detection of ambient light.

Andy

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Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat. I
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen,
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying.

Arnold Schmidt

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On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson wrote:

I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

Viola

From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Reg
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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?

“night sky”

Anyone out there know what it represents?

Regards…..Reg

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Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hello Listers,

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

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2020-11-17 Thread Viola Bentson

Hi Arnold. I have a 12 pro max and I get the same thing. And I got it before I 
had my new phone. Please let us know what you find out.

Viola

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Subject: Re: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I am getting it on a lot of screens. It is as if VoiceOver is attempting to 
describe an image. Besides night sky which seems to be its favorite, it has 
told me such things as adult, moon, document, sunglasses, and baseball hat.  I 
have everything that remotely might be related to images, emojis, speak screen, 
etc turned off, and it still occurs. This is on an SE 20, running 14.2. I 
wonder if it is only happening on the SE 20 phones? I have tried twice today to 
get in touch with Apple Accessibility, waiting long periods both times before 
disconnecting, nobody answered. I will keep trying. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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On Nov 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:

I do too and it’s irritating hope someone can tell me how to turn it off.

Viola

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

I’m seeing this in other places as well and have no idea what it means?
“night sky”

Anyone out there know what it represents?

Regards…..Reg

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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 2:06 PM
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Subject: I O S 14.2 and Night Sky

Hello Listers,

What is the night sky that always shows up when I have my iPhone locked?

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